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August 19, 2020
Open Thread 2020-66
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@ H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 19:17 utc | 99 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 20 2020 20:17 utc | 101 Since one Tyuzenfloot was arguing these past two days that there was genuine representation of well intentioned Belarusians in the “protests” which were in fact violent riotts calling for “transfering of power” to the tiny opposition, and where around two hundreds law enforcement officials resulted injured, wondering how they explain these facts: Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 20:21 utc | 102 The mad King of hasbara bullshit has spoken: both Putin and Xi are Zionists! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 20 2020 20:36 utc | 103 @Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 20 2020 20:17 utc | 103 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 20:40 utc | 104 Check out the headline! Tennessee teachers who have been exposed to COVID-19 allowed to return to class Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 20 2020 20:41 utc | 105 @Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 20 2020 20:17 utc | 103 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 20:46 utc | 106 Why real communists support Lukashenko in front of the Belarusian far-right and to make some justice to Lukashenko:
Images of anti-Belomaidan through Belarus… Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 21:20 utc | 107 C-Span Interview with Judy Shelton (then at Hoover Institute) on her 1989 book, ‘The Coming Soviet Crash’: Posted by: conspiracy-theory | Aug 20 2020 21:20 utc | 108 H. Schmatz @108– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 20 2020 21:23 utc | 109
@Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 20 2020 20:17 utc | 103 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 21:25 utc | 110 @Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 20 2020 21:23 utc | 111 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 21:29 utc | 111 Is John Durham actually going to go up the ladder?
Posted by: librul | Aug 20 2020 21:29 utc | 112 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 20 2020 21:23 utc | 111 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 21:32 utc | 113 Lately, is there not way too much people here worried with my credibility? Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 21:39 utc | 114 Belarus didn’t play along with the Covid 19 nonsense narrative and doesn’t bow down to zionist. Thus he gets the Assad and Qadaffi treatment in western media. Posted by: O | Aug 20 2020 21:41 utc | 115 The first time I heard of Robert Fisk was in fact here, at this blog…well, a know it all I am not, nor I fear I have painted myself here like, but some are trying to adjudice me lately… Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 22:27 utc | 116 karlof @ 24, just so you know, I am not commenting on your links, not because of disinterest but because my cranky computer has a log jam when it comes to anything from the Nation (it’s very google regimented.) I did try but the Nation doesn’t want me – puts up all kinds of steeplechase barriers, even one telling me I have now ‘read’ one of three articles — supplemented by Google strings of questions about adsthat make it impossible. I tried to read one line at a time, and it even won’t let me do that! Posted by: juliania | Aug 20 2020 22:55 utc | 117 @ 119 juliania… good choice until the log jam breaks! Posted by: james | Aug 20 2020 23:02 utc | 118 U.S’s latest terror weapon https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/missile-barges-could-be-americas-secret-weapon-in-the-pacific/ Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 20 2020 23:03 utc | 119 H.Schmatz @Aug20 21:39 #116 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 20 2020 23:17 utc | 120 @Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 20 2020 23:17 utc | 122 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 23:51 utc | 121 Belarus color revolution.
Stepan Aleksandrovich Putilo, based in poland runs the Nextra telegram channel that is organizing protests.
Although he makes no money from his anti Belarus/russia blogging and youtube channels, he has a four man team for the job. One is from Euroradio which is headed by Graham Ellis from the BBC. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2020 1:01 utc | 122 to King Lear. Posted by: Hoyeru | Aug 21 2020 1:21 utc | 123 Another of the color revolution trouble makers working with Poland.
https://tass.com/world/1191843 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2020 2:15 utc | 124 H.Schmatz @Aug20 23:51 @123
I know that there are indications that Israel wanted to strike “Lebanese infrastructure” but there’s no easy way to hide such a strike. So unless convincing evidence is forthcoming (and we aren’t seeing that) then the missile/nuke theory must be discounted. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 21 2020 3:29 utc | 125 @123 H.Schmatz Posted by: jason | Aug 21 2020 5:38 utc | 126 Confirmation that the reports about Russia skipping large-scale clinical trials were fake news (as highlighted already last week in MoA): Posted by: Brendan | Aug 21 2020 7:37 utc | 127 I guess “Abu Aisha” 128 is identical to the Schmatz. No one here is “supporting” except a few trolls who pass by and usually end up going back where they come from (FB, twitter). We are all learning. Posted by: Mina | Aug 21 2020 9:30 utc | 128 Pompeo handed letter od notification of initiation of Snapback to UN yesterday and the E3 issued the following statement: Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 21 2020 9:46 utc | 129 jackrabbit @125 regarding unlikeliness of a missile attack in the Beirut explosion because it’s took risky for the perpetrator (paraphrasing your argument). BTW I agree that the nuke theory is bonkers and a lot of bogus material has been posted on the subject. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 21 2020 10:09 utc | 130 AtaBrit, thanks for the link about the E3 statement. I still find it infuriating that they ‘have concerns’ about the expiration of the arms embargo. Really, what is Iran supposed to do, disarm completely. Why don’t they have any concerns with Iran’s neighbors arming themselves to the teeth or the U.S. building and equipping bases around Iran with advanced weapons? That’s an escalation. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 21 2020 10:17 utc | 131 The truth behind Sweden revealed: In these troubled pandemic times, when Julian is still being tortured, arbitrarily detained in London(0), whilst Craig is being condemned for similarly not following the narrative(1), ‘umbrellas’ flourish everywhere…. so….To lighten the mood, in this increasingly infected moment – how about virtually attending a safe, socially distanced, VIP event, summertime in lovely Eesti? With Presidents and Sssh..probably the odd spy…
They are the same pictures, really nice from the Estonian published Tartu tabloids “Limon”/“elu”, worth the minor effort; put on some somber Mozart requiem as background music, or Estonian choral songs?, grab a glass of zinc gluconate & tonic-water, join in the ceremonies. Smile, relax, maybe things will get better soon? Posted by: Davids | Aug 21 2020 12:19 utc | 133 Reading the several remarks posted by my friends here at the bar inclines old Wally to recall the basic principles. see tinyurl[dot]com/yd2ppuxk for the tutorial on the basic principle. My previous dialogue with my friend Herr Schmatz tempted me then to post it, but since it then seemed premature I simply stayed away until there was what seemed to be consensus. Enjoy – it’s comedy, Farce at the End of an epoch. Lucky us! Posted by: Walter | Aug 21 2020 13:33 utc | 134 Re Beirut terror attack: Posted by: Leser | Aug 21 2020 14:08 utc | 135 Just as some of us were thinking Erdogan was the devil incarnate … Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 21 2020 14:14 utc | 136 @ H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 | 106,108,112,118 and indirectly (113),(115),(116),(123) All has shifted since – go figure Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 21 2020 14:43 utc | 137 Hi All/Anyone Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2020 14:47 utc | 138 Leser @Aug21 14:08 #138 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 21 2020 15:12 utc | 139 @ Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2020 14:47 utc | 141 Posted by: james | Aug 21 2020 15:31 utc | 140 Following on from my prvious comment: 139 Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 21 2020 15:57 utc | 141 Posted by: conspiracy-theory | Aug 21 2020 13:05 utc | 136 Posted by: JC | Aug 21 2020 16:19 utc | 142 Saudi Arabia: they’re teetering?
As I noted many months ago – Russia is far more prepared to handle low oil prices than Saudi Arabia. The facts above underscore this: unlike Saudi Arabia, Russia has been running surpluses on its currency accounts
To put the above in perspective, here’s an article from 2015 (when oil was $42 to $63 per barrel) talking about the “break even” price for 10 OPEC nations and their budgets then: Posted by: c1ue | Aug 21 2020 16:23 utc | 143 Below is a quote from a ZH post about the latest Jimmy Dore show about the DNC and Biden Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 21 2020 16:50 utc | 144 Posted by: james | Aug 21 2020 15:31 utc | 140
Many thanks, james! I have a feeling these will be purged from the internet soon (or filtered out by Google and friends …) Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2020 17:56 utc | 145 arch – google owns youtube… it makes sense what you say.. however, they are still up!! cheers.. Posted by: james | Aug 21 2020 18:00 utc | 146 Posted by: james | Aug 21 2020 18:00 utc | 146
That’s true. My only explanation for that is that it’s a needle in a haystack of millions of videos and the YouTube automated ML systems have not yet batch processed all the terabytes of metadata required to classify this video as a likely candidate for “disappearing”. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2020 18:06 utc | 147 Posted by: Leser | Aug 21 2020 14:08 utc | 135
Leser, my understanding is that the warehouse Netanyahoo was pointing to was not only *not* the one at the Port but also there is no instance of a picture where he is pointing to the particular warehouse Hezbollah was *rumoured* to have been storing weapons in. Which raises the question “what weapons? what warehouse?” … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2020 18:26 utc | 148 @ H.Schmatz | Aug 20 2020 22:27 utc | 116 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 21 2020 18:45 utc | 149 A decent article in RT that looks into the regime change media broadcasting into Belarus and who funds them. Amongst the others they have a section on NEXTA which I researched a bit.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2020 21:31 utc | 150 @ peter.. with a name like ”nexta” you know someone is trying to bullshit you… hopefully the belarus people know this too.. Posted by: james | Aug 21 2020 23:16 utc | 151 james Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2020 23:51 utc | 152 ‘Iron brothers’: China, Pakistan agree to safeguard common interests, strengthen cooperation in all areas Posted by: Antonym | Aug 22 2020 1:08 utc | 153 @ peter – hopefully they can see this too! it’s amazing how people who know very little of the usa in particular continue to be enamoured of the usa..hollywood has been a very successful export… it’s all lies, make believe and b.s., but it has worked on many who have never been to the usa and who are not given an accurate perspective on what the usa is in a real sense.. Posted by: james | Aug 22 2020 1:09 utc | 154 Herd immunity is not a silver bullet. The homo sapiens may or may not develop herd immunity to a disease. And, even if it does, there’s no guarantee it’s permanent, or will even last for a significant amount of time. But Dr. Tegnell knew all of this, I don’t need to teach him the obvious.by: vk 132 Posted by: snake | Aug 22 2020 1:38 utc | 155 The foolish thing about it is if a lot of people from the state owned enterprises joined actions to bring down Lukashenko, they would be participating in their own demise. Posted by: Constantine | Aug 22 2020 1:50 utc | 156 for those who have been aggressively going after b regarding his views on the covid topic… caitline johnstone has a good article up that i wish these same bozos would read… i am not naming names… you know who you are… i am posting this at the next open thread as well… b has put his ass on the line and received more flak for this topic then any in the time i have been here.. it is nice he is not writing about covid, but he has said about as much as i think he can on it.. maybe i am wrong… but i will say caitlin johnstone tells it like it is too and has the ability to be honest with herself and her readers.. kudos to her and moa, even if they take a different tack… Posted by: james | Aug 22 2020 3:19 utc | 157 The 3 Gorges dam probably one of the most talk topics by China bashes.. Since 21st August it’s still standing after flooding 5 in the Yangtze basin (20Aug), Asia’s longest river. I won’t give any basic data you can find them yourself. I’m a forgetful person, hard on spelling and figures takes too much time checking etc. I’m here to provide updates, News and events on Yangtze Basin especially presents flooding. Eleven outflow gates were opened. Many Hundreds and thousand’s downstream dwellers were evacuated. The PLA was sent in to help to shore up embankments and assisting and pickup isolated citizens from flooding areas. Chongqing (30millions) Municipality a Direct-administered of China almost similar to the State of California (39 millions). Posted by: JC | Aug 22 2020 5:15 utc | 158 Motorcade carrying Navalny to a Berlin hospital equates the ammount and “noise” of a head of state….for a guy holding a tiny 1-2% os support in elections and who is really dumb…like the others in dance, Guaido and Tikhanovskaya…. Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 22 2020 11:43 utc | 159 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 22 2020 11:43 utc | 159 Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 22 2020 11:59 utc | 160 @Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 22 2020 11:59 utc | 160
Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 22 2020 12:31 utc | 161 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 22 2020 12:31 utc | 161 Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 22 2020 12:45 utc | 162 Dismantling the “liquidators” of Belarus industry under West payment….
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1297135756230656000 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 22 2020 13:11 utc | 163 China’s top court slashes maximum legal private lending rate @157 james Posted by: Grieved | Aug 22 2020 16:40 utc | 165 @107 H.Schmatz Posted by: Grieved | Aug 22 2020 17:19 utc | 166 @ Grieved with the Covert Action Magazine link…thanks. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2020 20:01 utc | 167 Posted by: Grieved | Aug 22 2020 17:19 utc | 166 Posted by: JC | Aug 22 2020 20:06 utc | 168 Below is an outstanding article by Ellen Brown about what I refer to as the Shock Doctrine event that the West is undergoing. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2020 20:14 utc | 169 Thanks to you, Grieved, for the links… The translation published at Cuba Debate into Spanish is not very good but still you can understand what he is trying to convey. Posted by: H. Schmatz | Aug 22 2020 20:52 utc | 170 Grieved @166– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 22 2020 21:41 utc | 171 I’m very glad to report that Eric Zueese has finally written something worth sharing, although as is his habit he neglects to give a hat-tip to the journalist who first illuminated the subject–Marjorie Cohn who wrote this article 10 days ago which I linked to here on the incredibly important topic of qualified immunity. What I’m applauding in Zueese’s essay is the tone of his rhetoric that goes beyond what Ms. Cohn used to what IMO is totally proper–OUTRAGE. His explanatory paragraphs are very long, so I’ll just excerpt this short synopsis acting as his intro: Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 22 2020 22:22 utc | 172 I must correct a mistake I made @171. At the very end of his essay, Zueese links to this article in MotherJones by Madison Pauly published on 5 August 2020, something he ought to have done in his intro. Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 22 2020 22:34 utc | 173 @ 166 grieved.. thanks for the interesting links that you shared! Posted by: james | Aug 23 2020 0:40 utc | 174 psychohistorian | Aug 22 2020 20:01 utc | 167 (L quote> worse than nazis…) Posted by: Walter | Aug 23 2020 0:49 utc | 175 james @Aug22 3:19 #157
Where have you been Caitlin? moa had discussion on this over a month ago. You don’t have to have 100% clarity to voice suspicions about what is happening. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 23 2020 1:05 utc | 176 @ Jackrabbit | Aug 23 2020 1:05 utc | 175… thanks for chiming in on this… i am glad you did… Posted by: james | Aug 23 2020 3:40 utc | 177 Posted by: james | Aug 23 2020 3:40 utc | 176 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2020 4:47 utc | 178 james @Aug23 3:40 #176 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 23 2020 5:12 utc | 179 @ Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2020 4:47 utc | 177 with the link to Ellen Brown like mine in # 168…grin Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 23 2020 5:19 utc | 180 Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 23 2020 5:19 utc | 179 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2020 6:10 utc | 181 Why Belarus is a bad example, as it was the USSR…According to the Gini index, one of the least unequal countries in the world, above any one in the EU…Attention to data on number of doctors per cápita and why this attack ( amongst many other reasons like its competing heavy industry and its position as main productor, and exporter, of potash )in the middle of the pandemic and accute economic reccession…If Belarus could do it with the adequate number of doctors and without stopping the economy…Hmmm…people could take their own conclusions…and wonder, for example, why there are no data of the pandemic in places like Switzerland, Caiman Islands, Delaware,…are they inmune or the Covid-19 for an unkown reason avoids them?
https://twitter.com/ComisionOctubre/status/1296835778182549506 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:04 utc | 182 @Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:04 utc | 182 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:08 utc | 183
https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1297486631537082368 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:16 utc | 184 james @ 177 Posted by: john | Aug 23 2020 11:19 utc | 185 @Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:16 utc | 184 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:19 utc | 186 Collateral damage…of the coup intends in Belarus… Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:32 utc | 187 Belarusian “peaceful opposition”…
https://twitter.com/03690jul/status/1296935248283029504 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:46 utc | 188 They are obviously testing to which extend the population will cope with all this shit…without rebelling…for when the skies are falling…that will be around fall…
https://twitter.com/malatestando3/status/1296801124821938178 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 11:59 utc | 189 “Call to a Friend”, investigative journalism documentary on the role of the West and the Nazsi in organizing Belarus protest… Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 12:16 utc | 190 Reading with care TASS (“US plan to restore anti-Iranian sanctions can erode Security Council’s authority) — Lavrov Posted by: Walter | Aug 23 2020 12:24 utc | 191 A review of the role in the protests against the government of Lukashenko of Belaruskali, a Belarusian state company that is the second largest producer of potash in the world… Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 12:50 utc | 192
https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1296656157612871680 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 12:54 utc | 193 In the verge of the mother of all reccessions…the reasons of some…
https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1296654349712732160 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 23 2020 12:57 utc | 194 @ Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2020 4:47 utc | 178.. thanks bd…. i don’t doubt as i have stated many times, that there will be groups who will find a way to profit or position themselves to benefit from any type of crisis… i do believe this was the basis for naomi kleins idea behind disaster capitalism…. i am not sure where it is all headed and i don’t have a problem with others questioning it all either… cheers.. Posted by: james | Aug 23 2020 17:12 utc | 195 As you may recall, I was critical of her unquestioning support of Max B.’s claim to be “persecuted” when he was arrested late last year. But that was probably financial smart for her as she probably gained Patreon subscribers/supporters. Posted by: Constantine | Aug 24 2020 2:36 utc | 196 Good one Constantine. Right on. Posted by: arby | Aug 24 2020 13:45 utc | 197 |
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