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August 06, 2020

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https://twitter.com/EHSANI22/status/1291786476179656704
"The fireworks were confiscated by customs in about 2009-10. “There were 30 to 40 nylon bags of fireworks inside warehouse 12. They were on the left-hand side when you entered the door. I used to complain about this. It wasn’t safe. There was also humidity there”"

Posted by: Mina | Aug 8 2020 8:09 utc | 201

Interesting to see all that come in the same week or so
https://twitter.com/EHSANI22/status/1291720875469869058
or Magnier: "How is the Lebanese harbour organised? It is controlled by a kind of local mafia composed of high ranking officers, customs directors, administrators and security officials. Each person in charge has been appointed by a political leader offering his men immunity and protection. The harbour produces immense amounts of money and bribes are the daily bread of all those who run this “show”. In the face of such corruption, it is now clear that scientific expertise about what is happening to store AN and the conditions in which 2,750 tons of it are stored counted for little. Actually, many officers in this Port have no competence for the jobs they do and are appointed, as we have seen, by favouritism and through political connections. This is indeed the case for the Director of Customs and the Army intelligence, General S., responsible for harbour movements and contents. So, given all that, when a problem or a disaster occurs, as it did on Tuesday, it will obviously be very difficult to find those really responsible."
And even Meyssan, https://www.voltairenet.org/article210581.html

Posted by: Mina | Aug 8 2020 8:18 utc | 202

Mina

Apparently the fireworks were confiscated back in 2010 or so. Magnier had it at ten tons of fireworks which doesn't take up much shed space. Who knows what older crap was stored behind the fireworks. Whatever it was, it burnt for awhile before it got to the fireworks. A lot of stuff got blown out through the roof in that first explosion. Sheets of something, cardboard, paper, plastic? Jackrabbit thought it may have been roofing sheets but it looked pliable and hung in the air for a number of seconds.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 8:33 utc | 203

Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 7:30 utc | 197
A worksite accident? Unfortunately they really do happen.

Posted by: tucenz | Aug 8 2020 8:40 utc | 204

Maybe cardboard used to wrap the fireworks. They do use this kind of fireworks in weddings (those seen on the vids, very primitive white flashes and bang bang Xmas type, not the sophisticated rockets).
Here is Macron the super-spreader imposing a new strain of the French virus to the desperate Lebanese. A big new Ponzi scheme for which i am sure he will find some way to use the rescue EU package.
https://twitter.com/aleeharissi/status/1291325153029349378
And for France record:
https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1291767684351238145
(about Berri, mentioned in the list, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabih_Berri, complete prototype of these mafias dinosaurs, 82 and at the head of the parliament (since 1992 mind you!)
https://lebanon.mom-rsf.org/en/owners/individual-owners/detail/owner/owner/show/berri-family/
Also said to own a chain of car gas in the US.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-06-19-8502090070-story.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/el8qtw/does_nabih_berri_really_have_the_us_passport/
The rest of the Media owners are no better of course
https://lebanon.mom-rsf.org/en/owners/individual-owners/


Some good videos of the port here
https://twitter.com/sommervilletv

Posted by: Mina | Aug 8 2020 8:44 utc | 205

Just had the best laugh for some time watching the latest Useful Idiots with Matt and Katie. I am up to the 30 minute mark and loving it. The material they have on Biden is just priceless but so is the rest.

Barflies might appreciate.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 8 2020 9:11 utc | 206

tucenz 204 "A worksite accident? Unfortunately they really do happen."

Yep. And some worksites are an accident just waiting to happen.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 9:12 utc | 207

My theory about why Macron went to Beirut (a brave act, by the way, mingling with the crowd, which no-one else has repeated) is that he did a deal with the current dinosaurs in power (I agree with Mina in her description). Come and show sympathy (and thus show off France's continuing influence), and maybe that will calm to a degree the accelerating anger against the government for its criminal incompetence. Long enough, at any rate, to prevent a revolution, and the old order being overturned. But the other part of the deal will be to address political reform. It really can't be left any longer, and the cataclysmic catastrophe is a good departure point. The problem with a revolution for Macron is that the Christians would certainly be the losers, and Macron wouldn't want that, showing off his preference with a visit to a Christian quarter, not a Muslim one.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 8 2020 9:44 utc | 208

Laguerre

Macron said changes had to be made for France to give aid (I took that to be monetary aid).
Macron walking through the debris with Hezbollah surprised me.

Any thoughts on those changes. I would guess part of that would be loyalty to France... but walking through the debris with Hezbollah....

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 9:54 utc | 209

In the French media since one year, the Lebanese Christians were rather vocal against their corrupt elite, its sectarian system, and France. Macron is probably trying as usual to reclaim the Roman catholics (France has never got rid of its own Christian mafia). Contrarily to Laguerre, I think that he is not giving a good exemple to the French (more than 1000 cases per day for a week, now reached more than 2000 cases a day since yesterday). This time I do hope he will contaminate someone in his close circle so that these bloody Übermenschen slow down...
But he may indeed try to strike a 'deal of the century' out of his hat. He has been very close from Sarkozy lately, i.e. to Qatar (they actually pay him for PR and talks), and Magnier underlined in a tweet that the meeting between Macron and a HA guy went very well...

Posted by: Mina | Aug 8 2020 9:57 utc | 210

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 7:59 utc | 198

Please, stop posting disinfo, you seem quite reasonable while i am posting, then when i am absent you go crazy, or what?
You are well enough versed in English to not confuse the meaning of that twitt.
That he "met" Hezbollah means that he had a meeting with Hezbollah parliamentary group, as well as with all the rest of parliamentary groups, as I posted in the previous thread.

That Magnier chose that photo to illustrate that twitt does not mean anybody there is Hezbollah.

Hezbollah, to this date, only have gone into the streets to work searching in the debris for survivors, concretely they have been doing it along the Russians and Amal representatives.
They were also working into the port debris but a recent order by the Lebaneses Army banned any people except the Red Cross, and them, of course, to work there...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 11:41 utc | 211

Instead of attacking posters, could you read your own sources?
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1291587171497934848
Maybe it's time to go back surfing. People who can write something as stupid as "you seem quite reasonable while i am posting, then when i am absent you go crazy, or what?" need to get their pills and STFU.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 8 2020 11:52 utc | 212

@Posted by: Mina | Aug 8 2020 11:52 utc | 212

And who is talking to you? Anyway, as you insit, I was going to comment you are also at it, hand in hand, spreading disinfo, but as soon as you meddle here into a converstion not directed at you, you confirm my impression.

Its you both, who seem to be working together, need to prove who, in that photo, is Hezbollah, as yo uinsist with that photo.

I will be going surfing in a while, sosa.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 12:01 utc | 213

As Nasrallah said, any event could be turned into an opportunity, and the possible benefits of this disgrace go beyond the Lebanese...

A lot of people is showing its true colors here as well...even people who seemed "leftie"...or others from the spiritual sector...They are all going to great fatigues and above all show great agressiveness so as to "STFU" ( who seem all the way the sign of the house, as they all repeat it...) of whom is opposing their interests here...which is regime change in Lebanon after the organized blast....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 12:17 utc | 214

ANOTHER HIROSHIMA IS COMING… UNLESS WE STOP IT NOW

Coming a bit late to the Hiroshima remembrance earlier this week, but landed on this amazing John Pilger article. A truly devastatingly human piece of writing sharing his experiences having visited many of the world's ground zeroes and having met many survivors, and sharing his foreboding vision of the coming war on China.
Pilger is rarely less than impressive.
Well worth the time to read and digest.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/another-hiroshima-is-coming-unless-we-stop-it-now

Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 8 2020 12:21 utc | 215

Unexpected consequences, why unexpected actors will be interested in unveiling the truth and why there will be huge efforts to conceal it, inckuding here...

the wife of the Dutch ambassador in Beirut had died from injuries sustained in the port explosion.

BTW, IDF just shot dead a Palestine young woman in Yenin...The lives of the people of the ME are cheap for this people...

https://twitter.com/almayadeen_es/status/1292051427859279873

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 12:32 utc | 216

@ Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 12:17 utc | 214

Hezbollah is not government. There's nothing reactionary in calling out the obvious (i.e. that Lebanon sucks) and, at the same time, to defend Hezbollah. This is particularly evident by the fact that the explosion happened in the rich area of Beirut, where Hezbollah's influence is the lowest (as I've heard).

This was 100% the Lebanese decadent elite's fault, no doubt about that.

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 12:33 utc | 217

Letter from International Committee for Peace, Justice and Dignity to the Peoples. Correspondent of Latin American Summary in Cuba, to the people of Beirut...

https://espanol.almayadeen.net/news/politics/1414716/carta-al-pueblo-de-beirut

To the people of Beirut.

To the political and religious authorities.

A Ghassan Ben Jeddou President of Al Mayadeen

To Wafica Ibrahim director of Latin America

To all the journalists and workers of Al Mayadeen TV.

We have followed the catastrophe of the accident that occurred in the port of Beirut from Al Mayadeen TV in Spanish, a pan-Arab communication medium of excellence, a reference for all as our teleSUR. Al Mayadeen has accompanied each of our great struggles.

Al Mayadeen was a bulwark in the battle for the freedom of the Five Cuban Patriots, in the fight against the US blockade of Cuba, in the defense of Bolivarian Venezuela, the ALBA countries and in bringing Latin America closer to the peoples Arabs.

Love with Love is paid. Today we are all together with you and the heroic people of Lebanon, historically so in solidarity with Palestine, Syria, the Arab peoples and Latin America.

We stand with you in the solidarity Beirut that gave refuge to thousands of Palestinians and Syrians; in Beirut that was rebuilt after Israel's war in 2006; in Beirut where all religions coexist; in Beirut, which reflects in its streets the names of the martyrs who fell in defense of the resistance of Lebanon and Palestine; in Beirut full of beauty of its Historical Cultural Heritage; in the Beirut of brave, heroic and caring men and women.

And in this Beirut that hurts us to tears when we see so much destruction, so many lost homes, in the midst of a difficult economic situation that this catastrophe enlarges.

May all our sentiments be transformed into a hug of solidarity to the people of Beirut and Lebanon. May all our outrage at the tragedy turn into fencing off the ignominy of the Zionist regime in Israel that tries to profit from this catastrophe in collusion with Yankee imperialism and the IMF as the executing arm of its looting.

Much Strength, Endurance and Hope. The same that you have always given us in the most terrible moments of our peoples.

Our unconditional solidarity, our arms and our blood today and always together with you, together with Beirut and Lebanon.

International Committee for Peace, Justice and Dignity to the Peoples.
Correspondent of Latin American Summary in Cuba


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 12:44 utc | 218

In a nutshell, by Seyyed Mohammad Marandi...

The govt in Beirut is first in 15 yrs not hostile to Hizbollah

After election its formation was blocked by enemies

Since recently formed, govt faced crises+sanctions led by US

If explosion was an accident the previous govt is responsible

If not an accident, Israel is suspect.

https://twitter.com/s_m_marandi/status/1292042459132973056

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 12:50 utc | 219

I think many people commenting here is suspicious about the accident hypothesis for the simple fact they come from First World nations.

As a Third Worlder, you can trust me these kind of accidents are perfectly possible in Third World countries. It is very possible - even probable - that inefficient and corrupt judiciary caused 2.7t of AN to be deposited besides a fireworks deposit for seven years.

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 12:53 utc | 220

Why is Israel still so nervous....when Lebanon is way too busy still unearthing the victims?

https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1291927098504941569

Dumb @IDF guys keep scoring home goals: This time, Israel shoots down own drone over Golan Heights, suspecting it came from Lebanon.

BTW, Sharmine Narwani, who resides in Beirut, did not post in the first hours of the tragedy because a person working at housekeeping in her home resulted injured...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 12:55 utc | 221

I think that he is not giving a good exemple to the French (more than 1000 cases per day for a week, now reached more than 2000 cases a day since yesterday).
I don't mind, but is that really the fault of Macron? It's pretty much the same as is happening everywhere in western Europe. Spikes only among the young, following raves ("soirées"), and virtually no deaths.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 8 2020 12:55 utc | 222

Important document, recommend reading it [.doc file in a link within the link]:

Full text of Yang Jiechi's signed article on China-U.S. relations

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 13:22 utc | 223

@ Peter AU1 | Aug 7 2020 21:46 utc | 152, 161

Thank you for your reply, regret the delay in responding. I do think we are speaking of same observations, just differing on presentation vocabulary.

What was presented on RT and Sputnik reporting the incident was the information I'm working with plus the picture b provided in the first post. You can see a sheet of roofing material near the top of the reddish cloud, long, narrow, bright in the light. The reddish cloud marks the first explosion that removed the containment of the warehouse. Once that atmosphere had cleared, a different combustion process took over, the bottom of that column having a distinctly different colour. Out of that bottom cloud the white shock wave emerged to envelope the column of smoke. You should note the distance between the white shock wave in b's picture and another shockwave traversing the harbour, I'd estimate about 2-300 meters ahead of the second explosion but scales are deceiving. Witnesses report about six seconds between explosions but that may be mistaken as well. Nowhere have I speculated about ignition sources, accepting 'fireworks' which were heard after the first explosion removed the warehouse roof and walls, and likely unheard outside immediate locality due to abundant big city noises. The salience where the event happened was built into the natural harbour and is generally constructed of concrete retaining structure built on the harbour floor and backfilled with rubble and paved for use. In b's picture you see water displaced by the second blast strike a seawall further out in the harbour, easily seen on followup satellite photos and can give some idea of distances. Due to disruption of page widths, I will not continue trying to comment and leave this to the bright sparks who cannot manage a href function for their extensive unbreakable links.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 8 2020 13:31 utc | 224

https://www.pogo.org/investigation/2020/07/millions-in-ppp-loans-went-to-chinese-state-owned-companies/

Two tech companies owned by Chinese state-controlled private equity firms received Small Business Administration Paycheck Protection Program loans worth, in total, between $2.4 million and $6 million

Oh no, CHYYYYNA firms operating in US getting that enormous loan of $6 million? Definitely a cataclysmic disaster. But Blackrock and their ill-gotten COVID trillions? Not worth a single mention in the eyes of these so-called government watchdogs.

Posted by: J W | Aug 8 2020 13:33 utc | 225

Someone posted at Pepe Escobar Vk page the French "Deal of the Century" trnaslated from Colonel Cassad post...

- that FknFranco Colonial Vulture's "humanitarian" ultimatum: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6076849.html

Machine translated:

"1. Declare Beirut a demilitarized zone.

2. Complete disarmament of all Hezbollah offices and offices in Beirut and its suburbs.

3. Transfer Beirut International Airport to a joint international contingent led by Germany.

4. Deploy UNIFIL forces in Beirut and the Lebanese mountains, and in coastal waters to deploy a group of warships from Beirut to the southern borders of the
country.

5. Eliminate all Hezbollah missile forces and installations in the south, and Hezbollah command posts are handed over to UNIFIL.

6. Resign Parliament and The Government, hold early elections followed by the choice of president.

7. Make lists of active intelligence officers and then replace them up to the change of leadership of the structures.

8. If the local authorities refuse to push through a UN Security Council resolution within 10 days, followed by NATO's order to ensure security in Lebanon and the implementation of the above points.

All this was voiced by Macron's representative to Lebanese President Michel Aoun.

Ультиматум Макрона colonelcassad.livejournal.com

Here, Macron taking over, his security/advisers taking President Aoun apart for Macron be left as head...concentrating whole protagonism...

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1292058834261991425

Whose bid is Macron doing here?


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 13:35 utc | 226

Blairite propagandist John Rentoul, from Blairite tabloid The Independent, publicly admits his ilk really did sabotage Corbyn's campaign in 2017:

Jeremy Corbyn’s complaint of ‘sabotage’ confirms he was unfit for office

So, yes, Corbyn could have won in 2017, but it wasn’t sabotage from his own side that stopped it. The giveaway, as Nick Cohen points out, is that Corbyn complains about 2017, when a lot of Labour staff were “Blairites” and he did better than expected, and not about 2019, when Corbyn had total control of the party machine and did worse than at any time since 1935.

The problem with Corbyn was never that he was unelectable, but that he would have been a disaster if he had been elected. With this pitiful whine of the sore loser, he has proved it. He has no judgement, and prefers the warm bath of myth to the harsh reality of responsibility.

Translating this pile of propagandist bullshit: Corbyn's defeat in 2017 wasn't because we (the Blairites) sabotaged his campaign, but because he wasn't able to stop said sabotage. So yes, he would've won in 2017 if we (the Blairites) hadn't sabotaged his campaign - but it was his job to stop our sabotage, so it's his fault, therefore he's unfit to govern.

And his time travel about comparing 2017 with 2019 is absurd, it is pure idiocy. Had Corbyn won in 2017, there wouldn't be 2019. With the government in hands, there would be 2022 - which would be fought in a completely different scenario.

And the even funnier part is this: right behind this pile of horseshit the Independent (and the entire Western people, for that matter) calls journalism, there's this pile of horseshit of equal magnitude:

How can Labour capitalise on Keir Starmer’s lead over Boris Johnson in the polls?

Translating: ok, now that we put our empty suit in charge of Labour, how do we put some substance inside him?

This Keir Starmer is so artificial, such a center-left MSM fabrication, that even their own creators are having difficulty propping him up.

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 13:46 utc | 227

"Venezuela Sentences US Mercenaries to 20 Years in Prison"

link

Posted by: arby | Aug 8 2020 14:09 utc | 228

the French "Deal of the Century" trnaslated from Colonel Cassad post...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 13:35 utc | 226

Doesn't sound very likely to me, as not doable. Macron is at least a realistic diplomat.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 8 2020 14:15 utc | 229

Breaking news: USA waves white flag, admits it is not the sole superpower anymore:

Russia, China and Iran seeking to influence US ahead of elections, top intelligence official says

No, no: the intelligence source is bullshit. It is normal for the relevant nations to extraofficially declare their preference of candidates of other relevant nations (the USA, obviously, being the most relevant of them all). One month before November 2016, for example, I read in The Japan Times a "leaked report" that revealed the Abe administration preferred Hilary Clinton to win. It was there, in the front page, for everyone to see.

The relevant news here is that this "intelligence official" fake leaked this "report" on the hopes the American people itself will believe it. And most will believe it (the Democrats, that Trump is Russia's sockpuppet; the Republicans, that Biden is China's). That an USG mandarin forged such a report on the hopes most Americans would believe him is revealing.

The fact that such absurd fake news is believable to the American is the true news. The American people itself doesn't believe in the supreme potency of America anymore.

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 14:22 utc | 230

I’m a Conservative Christian Environmentalist. No, That’s Not an Oxymoron

Of course it's not an oxymoron: you're in favor of the return to the Middle Ages (where the Church reigned supreme with the shroud of darkness).


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@ Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 8 2020 14:15 utc | 229

Macron is definitely not a realistic politician. If the French people thinks that way, they are as equally delusional.

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 14:36 utc | 231

Macron is definitely not a realistic politician. If the French people thinks that way, they are as equally delusional.

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 14:36 utc | 231

Congratulations on your totally unsupported personal opinion. Next time try having some evidence for your opinion.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 8 2020 14:38 utc | 232

@ Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 8 2020 14:38 utc | 232

The guy literally wants to revive the Carolingian Empire (liberal version) and he isn't delusional?

Ask him, then, how is the EU gonna get rid of NATO? Will the USA simply remove their bases and troops from the region like that?

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 15:25 utc | 233

laguerre - i liked what willie said on a few things here.. he could have posted on the open thread here, but he didn't... i agree with willie - macron is rothchilds boy.. one of the conditions macron will bring will be demanding an end to hezbollah... read willies comments below.. they commented on the wrong thread...

"Maybe the venezuelan authorities should investigate their harbour's depots looking for ammonitrate as well.It makes the perfect alibi for an israeli missile attack.When the next missile hit Odessa,Bandar Abbas and Maracaibo might be on the list too.

Articles on Beirut on Agoravox ,a French citizen media website,arboring many comments,but the space to comment does not open to me,how come?

This is really out of bounds.Fukus and Israel threatens Lebanon,for over a month,lebanese government accused Israel for menacing its citizens,Netanyahoo showed the world some hangars to hit a few years ago,because of Hezbollah.Now that it happens everybody is on denial.I just do not understand.Just compare the explosion in Syria ,about five months ago,with the one in Beirut Port.

Posted by: willie | Aug 8 2020 9:23 utc | 42

Macron,who opposed EU-funds to help southern european countries being conditioned by the so called "frugal" counties like Netherlands,Austria and Denmark,is likely to condition any help of Lebanon,to its rejecting hezebollah legitimacy in that country. He is Rothschild's boy,owned by Israel,like Pompidou in his time,who was president when money printing by Banque de France was abolished in the seventies,and all of the financial leverage was given to private banking entities....
Too bad no sniper vised this viper.

Posted by: willie | Aug 8 2020 9:29 utc | 43"

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2020 15:39 utc | 234

vk @231

Doubtless you recognize that delusion has spread like cancer beyond the USA. The belief that things can be their opposite come naturally at this stage of decay. They believe that black can be white and vice versa, and can even point out images that they've seen on social media that prove it. They believe human individuals can be both male and female at the same time, and point to surviving individuals with rare and often lethal genetic defects as examples. They think they can be kind and peace-loving psychopathic murderers; that they can slaughter innocents by the millions and still be decent human beings.

It sounds trite, but these people are delusional because they have decoupled from reality. The decoupling occurs because the most definitive aspect of their identity, what they do in society to secure their survival (food, shelter, what-not), is alienated from productive processes that their survival depends upon. This alienation goes beyond their just being clerks and salespersons in that they live in communities in which they do not know even a single person who engages in actual productive labor. They are so alienated that they cannot even conceptualize what productive labor is, much less understand how it anchors an individual and society to the natural world.

"I know what productive labor is! I work hard giving customers paper cups of liquid that I draw from this machine!" the westerner protests, but they don't really know what that liquid is or where it comes from other than the machine's spigot. Their labor is just a set of mechanical motions they go through that lack any meaning. The point to their existence in society is nothing more than one of the handful of steps in conveying some liquid from a machine to someone's stomach, and it is not even a very important step.

Now, the person in China who took part in building the liquid-dispensing machine at least was involved in the transformation of pieces of the natural world into artifacts of human society. They are in physical contact with the interface between nature and humanity. While they may be unable to put it to words, the machine builders nonetheless develop a "gut understanding" of how human culture arises from, and is dependent upon, natural laws. They have a grasp of reality that is elusive for the western clerk.

For his or her part, the westerner views their beliefs being unconstrained by the laws of nature as a key personal freedom. Sad, but true.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 8 2020 16:29 utc | 235

229 "Macron is at least a realistic diplomat".

Macron is not a diplomat..he is only a tool in the hands of one of the first zionist family..This is all about banksters and settlers and I fear it will not finish in a good way..Someone think it's been an accident?..Well what a coincidence...

Posted by: LuBa | Aug 8 2020 16:48 utc | 236

Another whopper (colloquial expression for "big lie") from pl @sst

james:

how does this stack up next to trumps slavish devotion to israel?? it seems like a race is on by all to appear the most devoted to israel... something is very wrong with this picture.. either my glasses are out of focus, or the picture is surreal for an outside observer of usa foreign policy. as it applies every 4 years around election time..

pl:

IMO Biden is devoted to Israel in a simple minded way typical of the man. Trumpy is IMO cynically courting Zionist money and influence and doesn't really give a s--t about Israel.

LMFAO

What planet is pl living on? Trump has a jewish oligarch son-in-law who is tight with Bibi, and Trump has ...

... defied UN resolutions to move USA embassy to Jerusalem and recognize Golan Heights as Israeli territory

... all but green-lighted Israel's annexation of the West Bank

... abrogated JCPOA and nearly gone to war with Iran, the country that Israel sees as it's biggest threat;

... ended most aid to the Palestinians


If he had done any ONE of these things Trump would get plenty of money from Jews.

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There's no real difference between Biden or Trump in foreign policy. The Empire is a bi-partisan affair. And the Deep State calls the shots.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 8 2020 20:01 utc | 237

Back from surfing I see that Maidan technology with violent riotts ( by foreign well payed actors, since no decent Lebanese would contribute to overwhelm the Lebanese Health Services, already collapsed by the Covid-19 pandemic plus those of the, let´s call it, port "blast", with adding a surplus of 150 injured ) and seizing of ministry´s buildings...

This is the same people whose common motherland is money, nationals of those same who supported the bombing of the parliament of the USSR and the sell out of their alleged nation´s assets to oligarchs...

This comes to confirm us that the rendition to the recolonizing program depicted by Macron in Beirut was rejected, as any sane person would do.

For those who affirm I support Hezbollah, yes, I support anyone fighting for its sovereignty and what is fair for them and their country, if possible, by peaceful means, if not possible, then by taking arms, there is no other way for the poor....

I agree mostly with Pepe Escobar´s recently published analysis on the events ( curiously he holds most of the points I have made here...).
He is saying that there is an intend of starving Lebanon with the blast , as is being done with Iran and Syria, and also with Venezuela.

Well, some countries, already enough impoverished by the Covid-19 pandemic and being aided themselves, and thus not in the position of sending in millions of dollars or pounds, are also sending, along with as much cash as they can, some help in the form of wheat
coming from the Olof Palme Foundation.....Olof Palme would agree...I fear...

To anyone, resisting anywhere, some words from the introduction to El Diario del Che en Bolivia, written by Fidel...in 1968...

La solidaridad con el movimiento revolucionario puede ser tomada como pretexto, pero nunca será la causa de las agresiones yanquis. Negar la solidaridad para negar el pretexto es ridícula política del avestruz, que nada tiene que ver con el carácter internacionalista de la revoluciones sociales contemporáneas. Dejar de solidarizarse con el movimiento revolucionario no es negarle un pretexto, sino solidarizarse de hecho con el imperialismo yanqui y su política de dominio y esclavización del mundo.

(...)El gobierno de Barrientos y los más altos jefes militares tiene sobradas razones para no publicar el Diario, donde se puede constatar la inmensa incapacidad de su ejército y las incontables derrotas que sufrieron en manos de un puñado de guerrilleros decididos que en unas pocas semanas le arrebató en combate cerca de doscientas armas.

(...)En el Diario del Che se pueden apreciar cuán reales eran sus posibilidades de éxito y cuán extraordinario el poder catalizador de la guerrilla, como él consigna en sus apuntes.
En cierta ocasión, ante los evidente síntomas de debilidad y rápido deterioro del régimen boliviano, expresó: "El gobierno se desintegra rápidamente, lástima no tener cien hombres más en este momento".

(...)Para no luchar habrá siempre sobrados pretextos en todas las épocas y en todas las circunstancias, pero será el único camino de no obtener jamás la libertad. El Che no sobrevivió a sus ideas, pero supo fecundarlas con su sangre. Con toda seguridad sus críticos seudorrevolucionarios, con su cobardía política y su eterna falta de acción, sobrevivirán a la evidencia de su propia estupidez.

In the preface, his son, Camilo Guevara, writes:

Confiscada por los militares bolivianos, en la última hoja de una agenda verde, con fecha 7 de octubre de 1967, apenas se puede leer por la difícil caligrafía de su autor: "Se cumplieron los 11 meses de nuestra inauguración guerrillera sin complicaciones, bucólicamente...". Estas palabras no parecen de ningún modo el epílogo de la epopeya heroica que se describe en este Diario, no se percibe el más mínimo dejo de desánimo, de pesimismo, de derrota; por el contrario, parece el principio, el prólogo.....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 21:18 utc | 238

Schmatz

As far as your remark @211 goes, you should stick to reading Veterans Today and watching scifi and kiddies shows on teevee.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 21:25 utc | 239

Who is the The Progressive Socialist Party of Lebanon? Are they behind the riotts? Have they seats in the parliament?
I do not know by now, but when a "socialist" party needs a long tail of labels, start suspecting that they are "socialist" but also something more...probably Atlanticists...

The Progressive Socialist Party of Lebanon requests that an international commission be charged with investigating the incident that led to the explosion in the port of Beirut.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1292178680492560387

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 21:33 utc | 240

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 21:25 utc | 239

Why, because you affirmed Hezbollah walked the streets of Beirut along Macron, and I called you out on stopping spreading this blantant lie?

Mate, I know you from every "alt-media", especially from Unz Review, when I read there for a while to test what was all about...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 21:36 utc | 241

james 234

From what Magnier has said, Hezbollah doesn't have much of a presence ant the port and those that control it are hostile to Hezbollah. The sat pics Netenyahu had at the UN showed buildings near the airport as targets or Hezbollah controlled.

With what was stored in that warehouse, it was an accident waiting to happen, perhaps someone threw a cigarette but in deliberately, but as the began while maintenance work was carried out most likely an accident.

Apparently the leader of the christian fascists was killed there - now it looks as though the explosion will be used by groups hostile to Hezbollah - as in terrorist attack by Hezbollah....

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2020 21:43 utc | 242

Riotters taking over facilities of the Ministry of Energy in Lebanon and destroying public propriety.
Attention to the juerga que se traen, these are clearly not mourning for anybody, to see if they are even Lebanese.... Under another disguise, I could easily see imagine the two scoundrels fitting quite well amongst the ranks of ISIS...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1292153157569708032

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 21:48 utc | 243

"Protesters" tear apart the Central Association of Lebanon's Banks.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1292157897124851719


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 21:51 utc | 244

To all those here blaming Lebanese "incompetence" all these past days, from a Lebanese herself...

What’s most appalling about watching western countries and their local allies lecture Lebanon about corruption and incompetence is that they have supported the very neoliberal elites who led Lebanon down this dystopian bankrupt path to destruction...

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1292129023850696704

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 21:58 utc | 245

Well, according to the play book of color revolutions, lately actualized into Maidans...here come the "cookies"...

BREAKING: Two senior #US officials heading to #Beirut in coming days. USAID acting director @JBarsaUSAID is expected to head Sunday. David Hale, No. 3, at State Department heading to #Lebanon mid week.

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1292185933664616449

If there was still any doubt on that all this was orchestrated, I hope it dissipates with this...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 22:03 utc | 246

Marwa Osman asks,

So who benefits from burning down ministries and throwing out all documents? Yep..all those who are corrupt and have been looting the country since 1992. Bravo..keep going..this is so not organized and preplanned at all.

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1292171673983164416

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 22:07 utc | 247

The same unjustified violence we saw in Hong Kong is being used against the Lebanese Army by riotters...They already killed and officer by throwing him into an elevator gap...

https://twitter.com/UpdatesLebanese/status/1292188656841760775

It is clear that some, in the verge of losing their grip on power and their criminal shenanigans uncovered, are willing to restart a civil war...

The Lebanese Army is said to have retaken over the ministries seized by the riotters...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 22:23 utc | 248

Calls to ''demilitarize'' beirut while chanting for foreign intervention in lebanon. that's it, no comment.

https://twitter.com/ZaatarOuZeit/status/1292127213626822656

Does not coincide with Macron "donation with conditions"?

We have the whole collection of topics, there you have even the famous "fist" of Canvas, and the USAID curators in the way, mate...white and in a bottle, milk...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 8 2020 22:27 utc | 249

Notice that the riotters, are distracting Lebanese rmy effectives which could be working in unearthing survivors of the blast...
A German rescue tema officer stated in a video that still there is time...that was yesterday and he was estimating upt to 72 hours of possible survivors to be found..

This way, the riotters, at this time clearly alligned with the perpetrators, achieve to increase the final number of victims which they clearly deem will increase Lebanese people´s outrage which then will turn instrumental for them...

BTW, for those claims from the US about Lebanon´s incompetence and corruption I must add my own testimony while travelling there on the fact that the US NGOs like USAID are already years ago ensconced into the Lebanese system... for what I was able to witness....
While strolling through the Cedars National Park, I got astonished by seeing the USAID logo screwed into the bench by the side of the guards stall...also seen their logo in what seemed a infrastructure project on conduction of water from the higuest mountains in Bcherry...

Clearly ensconced into what is Lebanon´s natural resources..and, if they are already years ago ensconced there, could they not be ensconced alo into the port...I bet they are...And they are sending people to obstacilize the probe...Hence the riotts are targetting the Lebanese Army who is in charge of the port probe...


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 0:56 utc | 250

Knowing that the U.S. goal is always militaristic and economic hegemony and Israel's is domination of the Middle East through chaos, this article spells it all out in regards to the game-changing incident in Beirut.

beirutshima

Posted by: Circei | Aug 9 2020 1:00 utc | 251

Meaning Bcharre mountains...where USAID seemd totally ensconced,sorry...trusted my memory...this is the place...

https://pix10.agoda.net/geo/city/390213/1_390213_02.jpg?s=1920x822

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 1:02 utc | 252

Breaking news: USA waves white flag, admits it is not the sole superpower anymore

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2020 14:22 utc | 230

You missed it.

Spook Central has told Spook Press to remind Russia, China, and Iran of the internal contradictions of their purported alliance by coloring them with the Red, Blue divide.

Posted by: conspiracy-theorist | Aug 9 2020 1:35 utc | 253

The US Embassy in Beirut lacked time to express support for the riotters, and called for "peaceful" regime change...

https://www.rt.com/usa/497490-lebanon-us-embassy-peaceful-protest/

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 1:36 utc | 254

One wonders why in the Earth the US do not support Israeli protestors...and only those in Hong Kong, Moscow, Minsk or Beirut...

https://www.hispantv.com/noticias/asia-occidental/473819/protesta-israel-dimision-netanyahu

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 1:40 utc | 255

Below is a quote from a ZH posting (no link)

"
With the 'swamp' fighting over pork as unemployed Americans die on the vine, President Trump on Saturday announced sweeping executive actions aimed at coronavirus relief - after stimulus Congressional stimulus talks broke down once again last week.

The new orders will:

Eliminate the payroll tax
Extend unemployment benefits by $400 per week, down from $600
Defer student loan repayments through the end of the year
Extend protections against evictions
The administration is also looking at cuts to income taxes for lower and middle-income individuals, as well as cuts capital gains taxes.
"

Eliminate the payroll tax is obfuscation speech for killing the Social Security Insurance program and Medicare. I have read that he doesn't have the authority to do such and that most corporations will not follow his orders but we are in LaLa land and all bets are off.

No debt jubilee, just deferment of payment during which time I expect the interest on the principal will continue to increase....

And cuts to capital gains taxes......more money for the rich.

The cult of God of Mammon is alive and well in the USA under Trump.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2020 1:53 utc | 256

@ 237 jackrabbit.. i am glad you got a laugh out of that!! i am not sure how long i will be allowed to post on sst, but i appreciate the opportunity!

@242 peter au.. thanks peter.. the way i see it, anything and everything will be used to tar hezbollah.. it is the default position for the crumbing empire - the west..

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2020 1:55 utc | 257

A follow on to my comment #256 about Trump and new Executive Orders

Just because I have written here many times about how Trump was focused on throwing America and Americans under the bus doesn't mean I think it is a good idea....

I am seeing this strategy by the elite being one of throwing as much shit as they can against the wall and see what sticks. And tantamount to all is maintaining control of global narrative to show position as unipolar control cancer it is.

When does default on US debt occur? Soon I suspect given the desperation in the air.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2020 2:22 utc | 258

james @Aug9 1:55 #257

i am glad you got a laugh out of that!

Not only is pl wrong about Trump's devotion to Israel, he also downplays the Biden's 110% support for Israel. Here's what the "simple-minded", "cognitively-challenged" Biden just did to help Israel: Biden Bucks Progressives, Won’t Denounce Israeli Occupation

... days before a draft platform was released on July 15, the presumptive Democratic nominee personally weighed in, according to three sources familiar with the discussion, ordering his advisors not to include any reference to Israeli “occupation.”

If Israel were not an ally of USA, Biden and the Democrats would be screaming for a humanitarian intervention.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 9 2020 2:54 utc | 259

Yes, I am fixated on Trump's EO about SSI

Below is a quote from a Reuters posting.

"
A PAYROLL TAX CUT
Trump’s first order waives the payroll tax that funds Social Security in a bid to inject extra money directly into salaried employees’ pockets. Trump has been pushing the idea for a while but it has found little support in Congress from Democrats or his fellow Republicans.

The executive order says the cut comes into effect on Sept. 1, but Trump said it “most likely” would be retroactive to Aug. 1 and translate into “bigger paychecks for working families.”
"

I have read "suspends collection" so the devil is in the details but, if successful at any level, is potentially a shot to the heart of the most successful social insurance program ever....

Will Trump continue to succeed in forcing America through a Shock Doctrine event?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2020 3:31 utc | 260

Good grief! I misspelled my moniker. Anyway 251 is me.

Posted by: Circe | Aug 9 2020 3:45 utc | 261

@Circe

Credit where credit is due: you were right that the Empire would manipulate Lebanese Christians and Lebanese Sunnis but you were wrong to smear these groups. Americans and Europeans are just as susceptible to propaganda as many comments at moa have mentioned over the years.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 9 2020 4:10 utc | 262

A bit of humor...otherwise we will die of truth......

"Death" herself had to come to enforce Covid-19 sanitary measures because of overwhelming work load, in face of clear abandonement by authorities in Brazil...

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1292378819790278656

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 11:18 utc | 263

The Israeli people is also protesting against its government corruption and management of Covid-19 pandemic and then nobody helps them, not even the US Embassy...
They seem also "progresists", why have not they a right to "peaceful" regime chnage like the Lebanese?
Why there are not tents and fists there? Why are not they storming the ministries?

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1292331250355712001

They have passed several months already protesting...USAID where are you?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 11:22 utc | 264

From the 20 people detained yesterday in Lebanon at the "protests", at least 13 were heavily on drugs...

I told you that the guys seemed to me fitting as perfectly amongst ISIS ranks...

BTW, watching some excelent photos at Colonel Cassad site, I noticed that a peculiar hairdo was abundant amongst the riotters, al the head very shaved except for a hug mass of long hair above...similar ot that of the "alt-right"....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 11:28 utc | 265

I posted here before, do not recall where i read it, that the blast in the Beirut port happened very near a Lebanese Navy base...

Well, today at TASS, in their report of recovering of victims by the Russian Rescue Team, they insist in that point...

https://tass.com/world/1187135

Why do you think nobody has pointed this out in their "analysis", not even Elijah Magnier who knows Beirut as his hand´s palm, or the usual here... who continue clinging stubbornly to the same theory of "fireworks and AN due Lebanese uncompetence and corruption" of the first minutes of the first post by "b"?

Strange...and smelly....no doubt...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 11:35 utc | 266

What the honest Lebanese patriots are doing right now, volunteering to clean dust and rubble from the streets and homes...

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1292159313419603968

Of course, the drug addicts of the strange hairdo this film as that they have not seen it ever...To clean?...oh,wait...it is much easier, funny, and above all profitable, to "protest and regime change" under payement of the US Embassy..

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 11:43 utc | 267

Btw, another "detail", amongst the riotters, there was abundance of dudes in bermuda ( like in Maidan Kiev and HK, btw, seems a trade mark of the house...) and obviosuly high quality clothes....not a common sight in Beirut or anywhere in Lebanon where overwhelming majority of males wear trousers even in the canicle of summer...These are not working class peers, for the much they would try to invent the "Socialist Progressives Slightly to the Left of the Phoenician Coast Party"

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1292191475040751617

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 9 2020 11:52 utc | 268

Thank you James,for reposting some of my (badly formulated) opinions about Macron and his actions.His election is tantamount to a Coup d'Etat.Macron did explose the french political landscape,because the socialists were under ten percent,and some heavies (Jouyet,Attali) that run the show with their billionaire media helping out,made macron possible,his portrait being on every fucking magazine cover for months.Why is France so important?Because of its chair in UNSC.Because of its unique electoral system,where you can become president,with just one quarter of public support.And because its president can start wars without delay and without any parliamentary debate.Nobody should ever put confidence in this theatrical actor.He is able to talk for six hours until you are completely numbed.

Who's boy he is,you can clearly see at this video,from Macron's first participation as President de France,at the annual dinner of the CRIF,french counterpart of AIPAC,where most french politicians attend to,every year.Here is the president of CRIF presenting the french president( that made anti-zionism equal to anti-semitism.By the way,about sixty MP's have double nationality,French and Israeli,which I feel is an an aberration to parliamentary representation in any country...I think we should call it the Israel Outlaw Empire,not the USA Outlaw Empire,which is a big part of it.

https://youtu.be/HxkU7sGj1ZQ


Because this is open thread,I would like to point to the fact that mortality in France in March 22 was about 9000 more deaths,than in the same month of 2018,2019.It was 15000 more in April,but already 300 less than the year before in May 2020.In June it it still going down.A friend's wife that works in our main public hospital,in my department,sais there were no any cases of Covid-19 since a few weeks.But in many outside gatherings mask-wearing has become mandatory.

Thank you again James,actually often I do not have the time to look for any comments to some post of mine,because of garden,woodchopping,and rehearsing,and indeed I often show up after the debate has gone elsewhere.

Posted by: willie | Aug 9 2020 13:06 utc | 269

Den lille abe | Aug 7 2020 14:09 utc | 99

Please go and fellate a running chainsaw you dopey little racist.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 9 2020 13:27 utc | 270

In pondering the two main blasts, I would like to submit a possible explanation (from my absolute and complete lack of any training in fire propagation):

At the time of the first detonation the AN was sitting in a largely enclosed environment of fairly high humidity and accumulated moisture.
As this occurred, on one side is a 2750t pile of cool, damp AN, and on the other, some open air and the much lower inertial mass of a few doors, windows, walls, and the roofing.
The blast blows out the roof, doors, windows, etc, leading to an inrush of perhaps drier, more oxygenated air, providing a "blacksmith's bellows" (with apologies) to the existing conditions, providing ideal conditions for the second and more severe deflagration to occur.

Alas, I don't know an expert in such matters to ask for an opinion, so I'll throw it to the bar...

My thoughts are with the Lebanese people and I will hold on to hope for a better future ahead, both for them as they mourn and rebuild, and for all of us seemingly trapped on the "good ship" Extinction.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 9 2020 16:29 utc | 271

@ willie | Aug 9 2020 13:06 utc | 269.. thanks willie.. you often make really good commentary, and i felt like sharing what you had to say.. i recall being shocked at how easily macron came out of nowhere to win the french election... another pretty face in a cheap, or expensive suit, but completely on a mission - not his own... enjoy the garden, woodchopping and rehearsing.. you have my curiousity on what type of rehearsing you do? i play music and that is what i typically rehearse...

@ Jon_in_AU | Aug 9 2020 13:27 utc | 270... i skipped of his post.. i think he has been drinking too much of something.. it ain't worth responding to, but i have noticed a few of these type posts from him of late... i liked your suggestion, lol...

nice thoughts in your @ 271 on the lebanese people to which i share..

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2020 16:38 utc | 272

Formerly T-Bear | Aug 8 2020 13:31 utc | 224

"You can see a sheet of roofing material near the top of the reddish cloud, long, narrow, bright in the light. The reddish cloud marks the first explosion that removed the containment of the warehouse. Once that atmosphere had cleared, a different combustion process took over, the bottom of that column having a distinctly different colour."

I do wish I'd read that before posting @Aug 9 2020 16:29 utc | 271

Perhaps the red cloud is a low oxygen combustion product?
I think we are both thinking in a similar vein as to the progression of the one-two blast.

Regards.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 9 2020 16:42 utc | 273

Hi James,

I thought you'd be aware of me playing live music as I am of your being a drummer and playing gigs.However , the one comment where I talked about it,I think I posted it with a day or two of delay,at the end of some thread,so I figure you never read it.As I wrote,I'm playing the keyboards in a band backing a female singer,all amateurs,and in another I sing,I play guitar,and mostly keyboards as well.No gigs on the schedule apart from one in september.But what takes my attention at the moment,is rehearsing some twenty songs,that a friend from Amsterdam who's got a little property over here in Eastern France,to be played in the marge of an evening market in our nearby little town.Most of them we've played before,some ten years ago,but now there's no drummer,no bass player,and I'll be the one playing bass with my left hand,and other instruments like Hammond,or electric piano,or strings withe the right hand.Glad it is him who does the lead singing,because that would be out of my league to do that as well.The repertoire consists of real oldies from the Doors,J.J.Cale,Pink Floyd,the Stones,Jimi,Steppenwolf,Moody blues ,and as a tribute to Peter Green we play BlackMagic Woman.Also included some blues standards.My friend plays a mean lead guitar,and triggers an Alesis rhythm box,which is really our point faible.


So everyday sees me endlessly repeating the EmA bass line of Riders on the Storm,and trying keep up the tempo when doing Manzarek's riffs on the righthand.I love it.It is wonderful that with todays equipment you can really emulate the oldies' sounds.

I think a lot of barflies are about the same age as I.The first ever LP that I bought,after ten weeks of sparing pocket money,was Waiting for the Sun,by the Doors.Some months later I bought Axis:bold as love,and still some months after,my third album was John Mayall's Bluesbreakers featuring Peter Green,may he rest in peace.So you can pretty much guess my age.

What about you,I gather that you are in to jazzrock,or fusion,but I suppose that is only one item in a broader musical spectrum that( you can play.Thanks again for having this discussion.You are really a pillar of this bar.

Posted by: willie | Aug 9 2020 17:08 utc | 274

@ Jon_in_AU | Aug 9 2020 16:42 utc | 273

Thank you for the reply. Borrowing from wikipedia, a list of *oxides of nitrogen*:

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Nitric oxide (NO), nitrogen(II) oxide, or nitrogen monoxide
Nitrogen dioxide (NO2), nitrogen(IV) oxide
Nitrogen trioxide (NO3), or nitrate radical, nitrogen(VI) oxide
Nitrous oxide (N2O), nitrogen(0,II) oxide
Dinitrogen dioxide (N2O2), nitrogen(II) oxide dimer
Dinitrogen trioxide (N2O3), nitrogen(II,IV) oxide
Dinitrogen tetroxide (N2O4), nitrogen(IV) oxide dimer
Dinitrogen pentoxide (N2O5), nitrogen(V) oxide, or nitronium nitrate [NO2]+[NO3]−
Nitrosylazide (N4O), nitrogen(−I,0,I,II) oxide
Oxatetrazole (N4O)
Trinitramide (N(NO2)3 or N4O6), nitrogen(0,IV) oxide

Each has a link to describe the molecule and its characteristics, colour and how it is formed - I'll leave you to the information. Wikipedia also has information about *ammonium nitrate* properties copied here:


Chemical formula
NH4NO3
Molar mass 80.043 g/mol
Appearance colorless
Density 1.725 g/cm3 (20 °C)
Melting point 169.6 °C (337.3 °F; 442.8 K)
Boiling point approx. 210 °C (410 °F; 483 K) decomposes

As you can read the melting point is relatively low and the boiling point is somewhat but not much higher, well within the temperature range of an oven. A smallish fire would soon heat the warehouse without much ventilation fairly rapidly even though the warehouse has a large volume, a small spark can set off the oxidation process. The chemistry of combustion can be highly complex in itself and isn't addressed here. Given the ammonium nitrate was stored in nylon bags, they easily could have turned into wicks that support burning, just as wicks in candles allow the wax to fuel flames. When the ammonium nitrate reaches boiling is when all hell breaks out, it seems a handy way to blow the roof and everything else off. My guess is a small explosion took place with a nitrogen oxide contaminated atmosphere clearing the air for vigorous burning heating the ammonium nitrate to boiling temp but have no reference to support that guess and don't want to add to further speculations.

With wikipedia please use the * terms in text, I tried underlining but that didn't work.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 9 2020 17:39 utc | 275

@ 274 willie... thanks willie! i don't believe i ever saw that comment where you replied a day or two later.. i sometimes feel i can't keep up with all the conversations, although i wish i could! playing left hand bass on the keys is a challenge... i play with a fellow who is very good at it.. he saw jimmy smith at a young age in los angeles when he was growing up and got inspired by that.. he is maybe 67 years old... he learned how to play those 70's disco lines on his left hand while doing other stuff with his right... the whole b3 organ phenom has taken hold for the past 10 or more years thanks to players like joey defrancesco and others... but my friend was so influential in this relatively small town i live in, that all the top young keyboard players all wanted to be able to do what my friend marty was able to do on his left hand.. the 3 or them now around age 30 are all capable in various degrees.. 2 of them come from classical training which probably helped.. and i do play riders on the storm and other doors tunes when we do trio gigs from time to time.. marty is extremely good at playing all those lines on a modified rig of his own making - 2 keyboards - 1 a keyboard for bass and the other, a roland f4 as memory serves, which is a fairly run of the mill keyboard... my other buddy has the high end nord b3 organ set up which costs a lot new... we have a trio where we do stevie wonder tunes in a jazz context with no singers.. we will take a song like my cherie amour and play it in 5 and stuff like that! we have a whole repertoire of this.. i have it unpublished on youtube, but when i publish it, i will share it with you...

i have basically no gigs.. i did 3 in june and 1 in july, but i am now averaging 1 a month into november... it is slim pickings for gigs at present.. the 50 person minimum is still in effect.. most of the gigs i am doing right now are outdoor.. i have had 2 gigs cancel in an already thin situation in the past few weeks.. people are fearful of covid.. generally where i live there are older retired people from across canada - retiring on vancouver island because of the more moderate weather and beauty..

i continue to practice and work on ideas on the drums and i have been spending about 1/2 hour every day working thru some brazilian songbooks i ordered from brazil on the piano.. my piano skills are limited, but i understand jazz harmony and can play chords on my left hand while soloing with my right hand... i set up myself to be able to play with a bass player... i am no good at playing bass lines on my left hand! the songbooks i am working thru are ivan lins, dorival caymmi, gilberto gil, and djavan... i had bought the jobim books maybe 10 or more years ago - 3 of them - and that helped me develop a concept for doing a reharmonizing of gordon lightfoots songs... lightfoot is a well known songwriter here in canada. here is a link https://jamesmcrae.ca/videos to my arrangements played by some friends in vancouver with me on drums..

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2020 18:54 utc | 276

On the second foto on your link I thought the guy on the right must be james,and yep,in the videos its you on drums,sounds great the music that you guys offer there.Good to hear about your friend marty,because as you describe him,it's basically what I'm trying to do on keyboards as well.I think in many a rock song it's the bassline that gives the drive,and I started from trying the typical rock'nroll lefthand piano lines like Jerry Lee Lewis' and the Great Little Richard Penniman,my preferred bodhisattva ,I will not say may he rest in peace,because i feel like he may have reached nirvana.

Those keyboards are in some way soulless and spiritless contraptions of circuits and plastic,whereas all other instruments are made of wood or metal.Whereas the wood of an electric guitar gives the sound and electrifying comes afterward.Still you can get huge sounds with them especially when you connect by MIDI.My aim is to be able to perform by myself and give the sound of an orchestra ,rockband,reggae or themes from Ennio Morricone,may he rest in peace.Now its possible to program parties in this kind of equipment,and so the bassline plays by itself,leaving one hand more free .But I won't do this for any song on our duo concert in nine days.

Do you give a hand to put the Hammond into and out of the van?And a Rhodes is not light either.Well you've got your own load to unpack.My plastic B3 from Roland is only five kilo,has great sound but a disastrous deliberately bullshitting manipulation.My other clavier is a Casio Hybrid Sound processor with astounding possibilities that I just only discover,like sequencing drum patterns.Both instruments are about 600 euros,cannot afford more.In a way just playing my acoustic guitar is much more gratifying.


If there is one thing that that unites people it is Music.Somehow I feel that we shall overcome by just one song .I find easily melodies and capturing rhythm,but I don't know what to sing,nothing comes out of me in that regard.I was thinking about using one out of lizard's poetry.
Thank you james ,for being so aimable,and please do not blame yourself for not having read a comment,and now I come to think of it ,maybe it was one of those that got lost on sending,even when it says your comment has been posted.Even more so cause I know you must read practically all of them,and that you are very serious in comprehending them and thinking them through.Well,good night then.

Posted by: willie | Aug 9 2020 22:43 utc | 277

Formerly T-Bear | Aug 9 2020 17:39 utc | 275

Thanks for the info. I did study chemistry up to the end of my first year at university, but it was a while ago so quite a bit has "fallen out the back door".

Whatever the cause and progression of the deflagration (if it is ever honestly determined), I'm just hoping for better days ahead for the people of Lebanon. We have quite a large Lebanese community here in Sydney and my thoughts go out to them also.

May the light side of the force triumph over the darkness of the Anglo-Zio Empire

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 10 2020 2:50 utc | 278

willie - ray manzarek was an awesome keyboard player and a good player to try to emulate... i always liked the rhodes and wurlitzer keyboards as they had an unique sound that was used a lot in the 60's and 70's... i play occasionally with a keyboard player who only plays on the fender rhodes.. they are heavy to carry and yes i have helped carry them! it must be at least 30 years since i helped carry a b3 organ up a flight of stairs!! some young kid was playing on one here at the local club about a month ago... i have no idea how he got it up on the stage! going for themes from Ennio Morricone sounds very cool! there is so much music to draw from... thanks for your musical comments! share a link to your playing if you feel like it sometime! cheers james

Posted by: james | Aug 10 2020 15:36 utc | 279

About the music ... Did you James and Willie ever play a clavinet?

It's a full piano keyboard with amplified hammered strings. About the size of a modern synth but made of wood and the keys hit strings.

Amazing bass sounds from a keyboard.

My friend Mike lent me his decades ago, I used it to record my worse than amateur solo songs.

Nowadays they are quite expensive but to create good sounds with limited skills, amazing.

Posted by: 😨jonku | Aug 11 2020 7:23 utc | 280

Trump made another killing ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1290413311708758016

Posted by: Oui | Aug 11 2020 15:27 utc | 281

@ Jon_in_AU | Aug 10 2020 2:50 utc | 278

Thanks for your reply, I have a near parallel experience but did not continue university, life intervened but curiosity kept going. Am going to use "fallen out the back door" in some form or another, probably without attribution though. Would 'lost files in attic' avoid plagiarism?

Video supplied by
Lurk | Aug 10 2020 23:37 utc | 174 in Open Thread 2020-63
has a continuous view of the fire and explosion from a vantage point looking towards the sun so lighting conditions caused loss of colour of combustion products but shows the original fire's smoke being carried off in an easterly direction not far above the ground, a perspective about opposite the first picture's perspective of the first and second explosions in full colour. The latter video has full view of small 'fireworks/magazine' explosions so ignition isn't in doubt. My original point was there is a lot of information in contemporaneous pictures of an event if one knows how to read the information as it is presented.

Am in close agreement about wishing better 'stars' for all the people of Lebanon, so far from heaven, so close to occupied Palestine, to paraphrase Gov. Lew Wallace of New Mexico territory commiserating his remit looking toward Texas. Robert Fisk's "Pity the Nation, The Abduction of Lebanon" is an outstanding and illuminating history of modern Lebanon, a witness of the peoples' travails.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 11 2020 17:19 utc | 282

scroll to the end and watch the clip. 6 months of the coronavirus pandemic in the United States, reviewed in 6 minutes

https://www.businessinsider.com/49-public-health-leaders-fired-resigned-since-april-2020-8?IR=T&jwsource=cl

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 11 2020 18:29 utc | 283


Huawei Developer Conference 2020. The event will be held from 10 to 12 September 2020.
Watch below Chinese vid translated to Eng.

"Huawei's Nanniwan Project."

https://www.reddit.com/user/Juniperzhang/comments/i55ahy/huaweis_nanniwan_project_??????????release_of/

Posted by: JC | Aug 11 2020 20:08 utc | 284

Biden Picks Kamala Harris As Running Mate

god bless American and soon she'll be the 1st woman president of the US of A. Remember How Tulsi Gabbard trashed her during one of their primary debate? Kamala Harris incarnated more black than previous DA in California..

"California’s first black U.S. senator. She is counting on strong support from African Americans. But many black voters are wary of her 27 years as a prosecutor enforcing laws that sent African Americans to prison. "

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-24/kamala-harris-california-crime

Posted by: JC | Aug 11 2020 20:36 utc | 285

corporate tool biden picks corporate tool harris as vp. what a shock.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 11 2020 21:26 utc | 286

Along with other barflies I've been following Matthew Ehret essays as he slowly develops and displays his thesis that the current Outlaw US Empire resulted from an ursupation by British interests prior to the turn of the 20th Century. His latest installment is here, with perhaps his initial essay pursuing his thesis published here. Yes, I've criticized Ehret previously for some sloppy work, but I do think he's onto something since his timeline coincides with the one I'm developing for the rise of Neoliberalism within the USA, which also happens to mirror Michael Hudson's work. Ehret has advanced other theses, some of them very questionable, so his premises demand critical examination. It's also difficult to determine just what it is he favors exactly. For example, he seems to favor Trump despite much evidence that Trump's destroying a great many lives in a manner that when done by others Ehret protests.

Hudson knows a change in the political-economic course of the USA occurred at some point prior to the onset of the 20th Century. My studies allow me to concur with his assessment. A Sea-change in the USA's financial apparatus happened in 1913 with very little public debate that has clearly hurt the common people while greatly enriching mostly criminals, aristocrats and politicians. And in 1947 we had what's now recognized as the worst criminal gang in history installed at the very seat of power within what's now become the Outlaw US Empire for what are now clearly false, contrived reasons. Discovering the answers to the Who and Why questions are indispensable in our fight to overthrow that combined mass of tyranny and replace it with a more equitable system.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 11 2020 21:51 utc | 287

@ 280 jonku... i never have, but i have heard great things about them! i am mostly a drummer, lol... keys are a 2nd instrument for me..

Posted by: james | Aug 12 2020 2:19 utc | 288

Hey James, I love acoustic sounds. So the clavinet, like the fender Rhodes, uses piano strings for the sound, but has pickups like an electric guitar.

So it can be plugged into a tape deck or sound system without a mike.

What do you use?

Any zilgian cymbals, a small kit. If going to gigs you don't want to carry too much, and as the saying goes 'it's not the car, it's the driver'.

Posted by: jonku | Aug 12 2020 7:56 utc | 289

Japan cares so much about the victims of the nukes...

Japan to fight ruling recognizing Hiroshima 'black rain' victims

You know why the Japanese government doesn't care about the victims of the nukes? For the same reasons the Emperor didn't care about them in 1945.

The only reason the Emperor surrendered unconditionally to the Americans is that he was afraid the Soviets would execute him and his family. It was only to save his and his entourage's asses - and not the Japanese people - that he surrendered. On the contrary: when the first reports came to his table, he didn't seem to be very impressed with the nukes, as they "only" killed some hundreds of thousands of people.

Japan was fascist state in 1945; it continues to be a fascist state in 2020. That's why it surrendered to the Americans only.

--//--

Another century of humiliation... here we go!

‘Hard times are here’: UK suffers WORST economic meltdown in Europe with over 20% GDP contraction

But hey, at least they avoided a Corbyn government...

Posted by: vk | Aug 12 2020 12:33 utc | 290

Niall Ferguson going full cuckoo:

Does TikTok evoke Ferguson’s nostalgia over British Empire?

"TikTok is not just China's revenge for the century of humiliation between the Opium Wars and Mao's revolution. It is the opium - a digital fentanyl, to get our kids stoked for the coming Chinese imperium."

What???!!!

Posted by: vk | Aug 12 2020 12:52 utc | 291

Posted by: vk | Aug 12 2020 12:52 utc | 291

Facebook. Youtube. Instagram. Whatsapp. Tumblr. It looks like the way to start a new imperium these days is to begin with a social networking campaign ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 15 2020 11:08 utc | 292

Hale has arrivedd in Lebanon to try to push the "international community" ( that must be the US, Israel and Dominican Republic to this date...) control of Lebanese land and maritim borders on his nations´and Israel behalf, that is avoiding any kind of supplies coming in for Lebanon ( incuding Hezbollah ) as the current economic blockade shows, but keeping them porous for supplies to and operatives of ISIS ( which were filtering through the northern and eastern border without stop until Hezbollah pushed them back..or finished them...) as it has happened through all the "War on Sirya" when all kind of arms supplies, including and other supplies like Captagon entered through the Jordan, Turkish and Israeli borders towards the jihadi contras recruited and organized by KSA/UAE in theur jails and deserts, and CIA in Central Asia and Europe, along with the same AN cargo who was precisely destined for this people...


“We can never go back to an era in which anything goes at the port or the borders of Lebanon that had to contribute to this situation,” David Hale, US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs, said.

“Every sovereign state controls its ports and its borders thoroughly and I imagine all Lebanese would like to return to that era,” Hale

FBI agents would be arriving this weekend to help find out what exactly happened and “what led to the circumstances of this explosion”.

https://twitter.com/UpdatesLebanese/status/1294594512912887808

Witnessing how they try to achieve the same goals they tried through economic blockade and past intent of color revolution, as if one would need to ask itself who organized the blast "accident"...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 15 2020 11:37 utc | 293

Any serious FBI agent would find the connection amongst the fast closing window of opportunity for Israel to achieve a bit more security in the face of already lost of deterrence before Hezbollah retaliates for his soldier killed in Syria plus the at this point open possibility of deadly attack on Lebanese port, with the happening of this geopolitical event...now... and in this form....
But, of course, we know, seriousness is discarded here by having witnessed how all the "Russiagate" affair has gone...

Was ‘Beirut’ a Botched Act of Deterrence?

By Alastair Crook...via Elijah Magnier Twitter...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 15 2020 11:50 utc | 294

Well, some caritative soul has already translated and subtitled the video of Nasrallah´s address of yesterday, at least the part directed to Israel...
As we have witnessed through this past week that there are israelis here, I will post it to save them work...it can be summarized as, a esperar.., hamijos......

https://twitter.com/Eng_AhedNews/status/1294602604664758272

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 15 2020 11:59 utc | 295

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