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August 6, 2020
Open Thread 2020-62
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Will the Beirut blast on top of the economic crisis steeply increase Christian emigration from Lebanon? Will that help Iran secure Lebanon as part of its sphere? Posted by: tagi | Aug 6 2020 15:36 utc | 1 Cold War living fossil Ai Weiwei admits defeat, Western intellectual demise after long period of degeneration: Any help please. Ammonium Nitrate is used to provide oxygen to a fuel that will then explode. How does it explode with no fuel? Posted by: Ramon | Aug 6 2020 15:41 utc | 3 @vk 2 Posted by: ptb | Aug 6 2020 15:51 utc | 4 tagi @1 Posted by: ADKC | Aug 6 2020 15:51 utc | 5 @ Posted by: tagi | Aug 6 2020 15:36 utc | 1 @ramon google it. don’t go asking people for help with explosives, bad idea. Posted by: ptb | Aug 6 2020 15:52 utc | 7 @ 7 ptb.. it is kinda hard to help someone who can’t help themselves…. it has been known to happen! Posted by: james | Aug 6 2020 15:54 utc | 8 james has been trying, without much success, to bring some reason to the discussion @SST. So I’m re-posting my earlier comment with greater detail to shed light on the matter. Questions avoided:
<> <> <> <> <> <> Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 6 2020 15:59 utc | 9 I read somewhere that lebonon imports 90% of its food and gas. Already coming out of a banking crisis, feels bad man. Also you can try to blame trump, isreal or nukes the fact is the country cant shake its massive corruption problems. That cargo should of never been stored in the docks it was prob by some asshat who thought they can sell the stuff trying to make a buck, and state institutions couldn’t do anything about it Posted by: Bob | Aug 6 2020 16:06 utc | 10 @ 9 jackrabbit… thanks… i think some really believe in the status quo and don’t want it challenged.. others question it… we seem to be of the later persuasion.. Posted by: james | Aug 6 2020 16:06 utc | 11 Research from Loughborough and Sheffield Universities suggests new approach to recording COVID deaths (in UK) Posted by: ADKC | Aug 6 2020 16:11 utc | 12 فیلم حرارتی که توسط دوربین ترمال از لحظه ی انفجار در بندر بیروت منتشر شده است و نشان میدهد انفجار بعد از Posted by: BlueB | Aug 6 2020 16:26 utc | 13 @2 Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Aug 6 2020 16:30 utc | 14 @ 13 blueb… that is a pretty obvious link.. thanks.. i don’t know if videos like that can be manipulated, but if not, it looks fairly decisive.. Posted by: james | Aug 6 2020 16:41 utc | 15 Postcard from the New American Century: Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 6 2020 16:41 utc | 16 @ Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Aug 6 2020 16:30 utc | 14 Pepe Escobar (Middle/Far East Correspondant) is saying the Saudi’s tracked a drone missile incoming to Beirut. He has also posted a video which seems to show a missile impact. I have no idea about the validity of either, but note there’s a French team investigating the site. Posted by: Mark H | Aug 6 2020 17:06 utc | 20 Interesting that those two countries, Ecuador and Bolivia have swung hard right recently. One with a coup, and one with a turncoat traitor. Posted by: arby | Aug 6 2020 17:07 utc | 21 Ben Meng, CFO of $400 Billion California Public Pension Fund (CalPERS) suddenly resigns after accusations of self-dealing, perjury and fraud Posted by: groucho | Aug 6 2020 17:12 utc | 22 BlueB @Aug6 16:26 #13
There are many videos of the explosion that have been uploaded to social media. Virtually all do not show any sign of a missile. So I’m naturally suspicious of any that do.
Any video can be manipulated. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 6 2020 17:13 utc | 23 Posted by: Mark H | Aug 6 2020 17:06 utc | 20 Posted by: JC | Aug 6 2020 17:13 utc | 24 Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere and I missed it:- Posted by: juliania | Aug 6 2020 17:23 utc | 25 arby @19, ok – but ~0.2% of the population (2300 out of 11 million deaths officially) – and likely ripping through much faster than with our lockdowns.. should the policy not be containment of the high risk, elderly and preconditioned? Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Aug 6 2020 17:25 utc | 26 The roots of Lebanon’s collapse Posted by: Virgile | Aug 6 2020 17:31 utc | 27 The video at BlueB’s–13 link is the same as the one at pepe Escobar’s FB page and clearly shows two missiles in the thermal imaging mode, or is it just one missile taken from two different vantage points by two different recorders? Is it possible to fake such images? Yes, the Zionists would make such an attack since they thought they could get away with it. IMO, Occupied Palestine will soon become a very poor place to reside within. If the images are true, then I owe the bar an apology for my snarky comment on yesterday’s thread. Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 17:44 utc | 28 Posted by: groucho | Aug 6 2020 17:12 utc | 22 Posted by: JC | Aug 6 2020 17:45 utc | 29 Oooop correction speller did not catch it…”She like most NeoLiberal walks a fine line still very much a Dem, which I really despise with passion.” Posted by: JC | Aug 6 2020 17:50 utc | 30 Yellowcake Posted by: librul | Aug 6 2020 17:53 utc | 31 This is very important information. You should all read this carefully:
I haven’t been following the massive amounts of money that Trump has given Phizer and maybe someone else for a CV vaccine. I see Canada is doing the same. As far as I can tell there is no vaccine as yet. Posted by: arby | Aug 6 2020 18:10 utc | 33 vk: “Western intellectual degeneration begun right after Marx” Posted by: conspiracy-theorist | Aug 6 2020 18:20 utc | 34 Any of our Aussies care to comment on this article about Sovereign Citizens arising in Melbourne? How well can his writing be trusted when he says: Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 18:22 utc | 35 I mentioned SCMP is a Trojan Horse for Taiwan’s KMT and HK (group) secession movement Joe (Joseph) Tsai of Alibaba and Gary Liu CEO SCMP. Here headlines SCMP to their website: Deleted Posted by: JC | Aug 6 2020 18:28 utc | 36 @ Posted by: conspiracy-theorist | Aug 6 2020 18:20 utc | 34 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 17:44 utc | 28
There is a disingenuous (if obvious) attempt in social networks to further the missile narrative, nuclear or not nuclear is “unclear”, anyway understanding what is the immediate consequence of these allegations naturally reveal those behind it. Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Aug 6 2020 18:35 utc | 38 arby@33 Posted by: bevin | Aug 6 2020 18:40 utc | 39 I completely agree with this“The American Narrative of Hiroshima is a Statue that Must be Toppled“: Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 18:47 utc | 40 The figure of 80% looks exaggerated to me. But the corruption is evident enough from the photograph. Posted by: bevin | Aug 6 2020 18:48 utc | 41 Couldn’t help noticing that Micron was in Lebanon Thursday apparently offering to shoulder the White Man’s Burden by declaring Lebanon a French Protectorate for 10 years. Is there is anything worth stealing left in Lebanon, apart from its planned role as a transit hub in China’s Belt & Road Initiative? Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 6 2020 18:51 utc | 42 I’ve know for the last 20 yrs that the Western economies can only survive by preying upon weaker economies, but now all of the weak economies have been pillaged and won’t recover for at least another 40 years. That means the Western economies could either learn to be more materially productive (and thus less financialized) or they would have to attack the stronger economies that could push back against Western aggression. irredeemably corrupt and aggressive, the Westerns countries unsurprisingly chose more war, first against Syria and if Syria had fallen to the US backed Jihadies, the Western economies could have pillaged it for 10 years and used it as a spring board into Iran and then Russia, China and India. But the Syrians, with Russia and Iranian support beat back the American stooges and now the Americans (whose economic survival depended on eating the corpse of the Syrian state) are now desperate and are doubling down. Once again, the Western countries (US, UK, Canada, Australia, France and Germany) are being marshalled for another war of aggression against another state, this time China. It will take another 4 or 5 years to refocus the economies to go after China (it took almost 6 years to set the stage for the Syria war after Iraq), but make no mistake, the Western terrorist states have once again chosen war and it is coming for China Posted by: Kadath | Aug 6 2020 18:53 utc | 43 @ Vasco da Gama #38 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 6 2020 18:54 utc | 44 There’s no evidence whatsoever that there was a nuke and no credible evidence of a missile. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 6 2020 19:00 utc | 45 The postmodern are also in the revisionist business: I totally share those concerns, psychohistorian, I don’t know what happened in beirut and the probability of foul play is high and possible, but all of us longing for justice must carry ourselves on absolute solid ground, we can’t push ourselves against something with rarefied air for backing, that is a sure way to fail. Solid ground is the minimum standard, we’ll drown with the adversary otherwise. Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Aug 6 2020 19:17 utc | 47 This fascinating essay deserved its own comment box, “How the Fascists Won World War II.” The essay examines this issue: “How the IG Farben HQ survived World War II, however, is a mystery whose dark depths hold secret links between the past and the present.” It initially describes the structure thusly: Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 19:22 utc | 48 how does one determine whether a video is real, or faked?? Posted by: james | Aug 6 2020 19:25 utc | 49 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 18:22 utc | 35 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 6 2020 19:32 utc | 50 Vasco da Gama @38– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 19:38 utc | 51 Thermal imaging video? In the day time? I guess there could have been somebody doing that. But two – taken from different places and both have a ‘missile’ diving in – lots and lots of question marks there …. and then those two videos are put together for the one video clip???? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2020 19:39 utc | 52 i think the video is fake… i will wait for the proof later… Posted by: james | Aug 6 2020 20:00 utc | 53 karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 19:22 utc | 48 Posted by: Walter | Aug 6 2020 20:02 utc | 54
Agreed, but I don’t have any faith in peoples conscience overcoming the delusion they’re fed daily if their first step towards reality happens to be welcomed with further “betrayal”, not everyone conducts their life with a materialist historical perspective not to mention being old enough to begin appreciating one. I don’t believe in shortcuts! Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Aug 6 2020 20:06 utc | 55 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 18:47 utc | 40 Posted by: JC | Aug 6 2020 20:08 utc | 56 Beirut explosion – what we know for sure – there was a big fire and there was a huge explosion. There were over 2500 tons of High density ammonium nitrate stored haphazardly in a warehouse taken from a ship sponsored by a very suspicious Russian businessman. Who abandons 1/2 a millions dollars of cargo to sit in a warehouse? Both Israel and Hezbollah both say both of us didn’t have anything to do with it. Uncharacteristically Israel is offering aid. The port authorities say they tried many times over the 6 years to deal with the Ammonium nitrate but were stopped by judge (s?). Why does nobody name this judge? There is much speculation. It did happen at a time when the US and Israel were unhappy with the Lebanon government. On the otherhand, a fireworks factory next to a storehouse of ammonium nitrate is an accident waiting to happen. Apparently just the way the ammonium nitrate was stored was an accident waiting to happen. At the same time sabotage would have been easy to make it happen. It is not clear to me that the popping little happenings like fireworks are before or after the big one. Some say they could be weapons exploding. It is possible that Israel tried to destroy some Hezbollah weapons stored nearby and… then both would not want this to come to light. Its Lebanon explosions happen. Posted by: gepay | Aug 6 2020 20:11 utc | 57 gepay | Aug 6 2020 20:11 utc | 57 Von Luckner, the WW One figure, describes in one of his early autobiographies being a saboteur and planting incendiary bombs. He makes it clear that the saboteur plants his infernal gadgets where they will have an effect – not out on the prairie, but in a dynamite factory or the hold of a ship, etc. Posted by: Walter | Aug 6 2020 20:31 utc | 58 Posted by: vk | Aug 6 2020 15:40 utc | 2 Posted by: tucenz | Aug 6 2020 20:36 utc | 59 Hoarsewhisperer @50– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 20:48 utc | 60 elijah magnier – video is fake.. https://mobile.twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1291449139423830022 Posted by: james | Aug 6 2020 21:17 utc | 61 vk @2 makes very good points about where things when wrong with scientific inquiry, but I would like to clarify one point concerning the line “The so-called “hard sciences”, however, continued to flourish for more than half-century…” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 6 2020 21:20 utc | 62 @43 Kadath Posted by: tonk | Aug 6 2020 21:26 utc | 63 karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 20:48 utc | @60 Posted by: tonk | Aug 6 2020 21:30 utc | 64 Here’s the original of one of the photo shopped videos (The second segment in the fake video) Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2020 21:33 utc | 65 Walter @54– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 21:35 utc | 66 Thank you, james — I never trust videos since the ones that supposedly supported the White Helmets in Syria. And I think when you have time, both you and karlof1 would gain from reading the interview at the link I posted @ 25. It goes in some depth into the reasons atomic bombs were used in Japan, with references to the appointment of Truman to his position of power so late in the war, and also of the ‘mission creep’ involved in targetting civilians prior to. Posted by: juliania | Aug 6 2020 21:45 utc | 67 There was a discussion yesterday about a bird seen flying into the smoke of the fire and phone video shots. Could this have been the drone/rocket? I’ve seen two different comments/clips on twitter of people hearing jets flying just before the explosions. Also, I’ve read other comments about the flight paths of two US spy planes happening at the same time as the Beirut explosions. What were they monitoring? Posted by: cirsium | Aug 6 2020 21:51 utc | 68 JC @56– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 22:27 utc | 69 cirsium @Aug6 21:51 #68 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 6 2020 23:03 utc | 70 tonk @64– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 23:04 utc | 71 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 22:27 utc | 69 Posted by: JC | Aug 6 2020 23:32 utc | 72 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 17:44 utc | 2 The video at BlueB’s–13 link is the same as the one at pepe Escobar’s FB page and clearly shows two missiles in the thermal imaging mode Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 6 2020 23:33 utc | 73 Tucenz @ 59: Posted by: Jen | Aug 7 2020 0:49 utc | 74 Re my comment @ 74: Posted by: Jen | Aug 7 2020 0:54 utc | 75 @ 67 juliania……. that link @ 25 which you shared is quite chilling.. thanks for sharing it.. others – americans in particular, would benefit reading it… Posted by: james | Aug 7 2020 1:19 utc | 76 Office of the State Treasurer @PATreasurer Posted by: Mao | Aug 7 2020 1:26 utc | 77 Rewards for Justice @RFJ_USA Posted by: Mao | Aug 7 2020 1:45 utc | 78 The U.S. Treasury said it expects to raise $947 billion in debt over the three months through September to fund the massive and continuing spending surge to address the coronavirus crisis. Posted by: Mao | Aug 7 2020 1:49 utc | 79 As expected the cries for revolution in the steets grow louder: Posted by: Traiano Welcome | Aug 7 2020 2:00 utc | 80 U.S. Worse Off Than Russia, Mexico in 2020 Economic Misery Ranking Posted by: Mao | Aug 7 2020 2:10 utc | 81 @ Ilya G Poimandres Posted by: guido | Aug 7 2020 4:43 utc | 82 Below is a link to a posting from The Register about Trump’s executive Orders about banning WeChat and TikTok Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2020 5:17 utc | 83 Is the US at war with China yet?…….. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2020 5:36 utc | 84 Is it time to review China’s ‘developing country’ status at the WTO, considering its economic might? Posted by: Antonym | Aug 7 2020 7:47 utc | 85 Update on W93/MK7:
– – – Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 7 2020 9:13 utc | 86 Can we arrange for Georgia to be seceded from the Union? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 7 2020 10:59 utc | 87 Can we arrange for Georgia to be seceded from the Union? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 7 2020 11:01 utc | 88 The Viral Loads of Asymptomatic Coronavirus Carriers Are Surprisingly High, Study Reveal
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 7 2020 11:05 utc | 89 Don’t know what the hell happened there…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 7 2020 11:07 utc | 90 Sigh… what the hell is going on now? I’m off the VPN. Why the hell isn’t my post showing? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 7 2020 11:08 utc | 91 Americans beginning to beg for their annona (grain dole), like imperial Roman citizens they are: Richard Steven Hack #73 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 7 2020 12:26 utc | 93 @ karlof1 | Aug 6 2020 21:35 utc | 66 Posted by: Walter | Aug 7 2020 12:55 utc | 94 Just a thought as to why the AN was left there all this time: Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Aug 7 2020 13:08 utc | 95 uncle tungsten 93 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 7 2020 13:31 utc | 96 vk: Posted by: conspiracy-theorist | Aug 7 2020 13:45 utc | 97 So George Floyd died. So Fucking what, a no good flotsam scum is made a saint? Posted by: Den lille abe | Aug 7 2020 14:09 utc | 98 @ Posted by: conspiracy-theorist | Aug 7 2020 13:45 utc | 97 Some may perceive my rants as racist.. Ok your choice, but I am not. I live in Malmoe in Sweden, in a very nice affluent neighborhood, close to the city. One day going shopping I was held up under a train over carriage, a tunnel and robbed at knife point. Well the y did not get that much, my phone, a little cash, but I felt like squashed. So I went home, deflated and contemplated on things to come. Posted by: Den lille abe | Aug 7 2020 14:53 utc | 100 |
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