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August 22, 2020

Navalny Was Not Poisoned

Updated below:

On Thursday morning the Russian rightwing and racist rabble rouser Alexey Navalny fell ill during a flight from Tomsk in Siberia to Moscow. He eventually went into a coma. The plane had to be rerouted for an emergency stop in Omsk. Navalny was brought into a clinic and put on a ventilator.

Meanwhile his spokeswomen Kira Yarmysh claimed, without evidence, that Navalny had been poisoned:

Yarmysh believes Navalny, who showed no symptoms prior to the flight, was "poisoned with something mixed into his tea” as it was “the only thing he drank this morning.” In the middle of the journey, she wrote later, he began sweating, went to the toilet, and apparently lost consciousness for a period. RIA Novosti reported that Navalny did not eat or drink anything on the flight.

The doctors in the intensive care unit in Omsk had difficulties to stabilize Navalny. A number of tests were made but no poisons were found. Yesterday evening the patient had stabilized. On request of his family he was transported to Germany where he is currently undergoing treatment.

The hospital in Omsk said that Navalny had experienced severe hypoglycemia:

The head physician of the Omsk emergency hospital, Alexander Murakhovsky, said that Alexei Navalny’s condition was caused by a sharp drop in blood sugar.

Hypoglycemia is also known as diabetic shock:

When a person experiences diabetic shock, or severe hypoglycemia, they may lose consciousness, have trouble speaking, and experience double vision. Early treatment is essential because blood sugar levels that stay low for too long can lead to seizures or diabetic coma.

Hypoglycemia can sometimes happen rapidly and may even occur when a person follows their diabetes treatment plan.

A diabetic shock happens when someone with diabetes has taken too much insulin or has eaten too little. My father had diabetes and I have seen him experiencing this problem several times. He always carried a piece of sugar with him to use it as soon as he felt the first symptoms. My mother taught me the basic first aid I would have to to apply should my father be unable to help himself. Thankfully I never had to use it.

It is important that the measures are taken immediately. A prolonged coma can lead to brain damage. As Navalny was on a plane up in the air it took quite a while to get him into a hospital. His prolonged coma may have created additional damage to his body.

People with diabetes usually learn how to control their blood sugar level. I have found no information that Navalny actually has diabetes but that does not say much as it is not something people usually talk about. I am not aware of any medication or poison that rapidly lowers the blood sugar level and can be applied secretly. It would also be stupid to use such in an attempt to kill someone as the attacked person simply has to eat something to negate the effect.

/Update/

Intellinews reports that Navalny has diabetes:

Navalny said himself that he suffered from diabetes in 2019, giving some credence to this explanation.

/end update/

The 'western' media jumped onto the 'Navalny was poisoned' claim to heap the usual trash on Russia. They also claimed that Navalny is the 'opposition leader' in Russia even as he polls at 2% which is lower than the leader of the communist party and several other real opposition politicians. Nor is Navalny a 'liberal'. He is a rightwing nationalist and racist who sees Cechen and other non-Russian people as cockroaches that should be killed (vid).

In an interview with the Guardian Navalny confirmed those views:

Several years ago, [Navalny] released a number of disturbing videos, including one in which he is dressed as a dentist, complaining that tooth cavities ruin healthy teeth, as clips of migrant workers are shown. In another video, he speaks out in favour of relaxing gun controls, in a monologue that appears to compare migrants to cockroaches.

I ask him if he regrets those videos now, and he’s unapologetic. He sees it as a strength that he can speak to both liberals and nationalists. But comparing migrants to cockroaches? “That was artistic license,” he says. So there’s nothing at all from those videos or that period that he regrets? “No,” he says again, firmly.

The 'western' media also try to connect the 'poisoning' of Navalny to Russia's President Vladimir Putin. That makes no sense at all. Navalny is no danger to Putin and is actually useful for him as he keeps other 'liberals' busy with nonsensical ideas.

During the last years Navalny has made some enemies by uncovering corruption cases. His latest one was about the local governor of Tomsk. It was also the reason why he had flown there. Should Navaly become the victim of a crime the suspects should be sought there.

Posted by b on August 22, 2020 at 17:39 UTC | Permalink

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"What concerns me more is that the US picks guys like him [Navalny, Guaido, Wong, etc.] to be the puppet."

Short answer: They don't have a choice.

Long answer:

Beggars cannot be choosers.

Try to keep in mind that the American Empire is capitalist. In the olden days of three quarters of a century ago US-based capitalists still had real economic mightiness. In countries with "Free Market™" economies the corruption of political systems would be conducted largely by the private sector. Coca-cola, Ford, Standard Oil, Bank of America and so on would buy out the necessary politicians to control the various economic decisions in the imperial vassal states. The US government would only step in to crack tough nuts or to better coordinate the actions of the private enterprises (private enterprises are notoriously ill-equipped for coordinated actions). Indeed, whole political parties around the globe were bought and paid for, and even whole populations of some of the smaller vassal states in Europe (what does Belgium even do?).

With the global decline of capitalist profitability, this ability of the private sector to manage the empire also declined, leaving more and more up to the US government and its "Five Eyes" toadies.

[Aside: Israel doesn't count as it is not now nor ever was a real nation state. It is nothing more than a big military base maintained by the empire in a region of geostrategic significance from the days when oil reigned supreme.]

Nowadays capitalism is all but dead. The empire makes its money by simply printing it, without even the faith in its once-prodigious industrial capacity to back up that paper. It now takes literal pallet-loads of US$ to purchase politicians that used to be buyable with vague promises of positions on corporate boards when they retire. More and more the empire must rely upon cheap and stupid dirtbags and criminals that can be bought for cash, drugs, and prostitutes (see Nemtsov for the best example). These dirtbags playing leading roles in the empire's regime change operations is itself an indication of how far the empire has fallen since its glory days when legitimate politicians used to go along with imperial dictates without question because of the reflected glow of gold seen on the horizon from the general direction of the USA.

That is the general explanation of how we got here. More specific to current events is the understanding that there are two broad categories of opposition. The first is "loyal opposition", who presumably have the best interest of their nation at heart when they oppose the current government of their country. These people absolutely do not send their kids to the US for education indoctrination in the proper behavior of imperial stooges, and are very open about it if foreign corporations and governments give them cash or other perks. This kind of opposition is no longer readily for purchase since the empire went into decline. Aligning their country with the USA no longer seems like the obvious right choice that it used to be.

The second broad category of "opposition" would be "disloyal opposition". This kind of opposition supports overturning the current government of their country for their own personal enrichment or for the benefit of foreign powers (which generally have paid them in some way so it is still for personal gain). This kind of opposition is always for sale, and that makes them available for the US empire to use.

In the case of opposition to Putin, much of that opposition is loyal opposition. Particularly in the case of the main opposition, the Communist Party, they want what is best for Russia and the Russian people. They know that handing the keys to their economy over to the Chicago Boys again is a recipe for disaster. That leaves only the dregs and foulest of Russian society for the US to buy off and use as a crowbar against the Russian state.

Finally, keep in mind that most countries have socialist opposition to their countries' governments, like the Communists in Russia and the Workers in Brazil. This opposition would take their countries in the exact opposite direction from where the US empire wants them to go, so that leaves only right wing opposition for America to try to buy off.

The end result is that US-backed opposition are nowadays ALWAYS far right, corrupt, criminal dirtbags who want their country wrecked if it makes them rich.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 23 2020 14:34 utc | 101

Walter @ 96 -- "Does this stuff matter? Looking to the future his misfortune fits into a pattern of creating an October Crises. It's probably interesting to look at what happened, but more useful to look ahead at the building crises. Lavrov seems inclined that way. And he looks like he expects big trouble just ahead."

Speculating about what happened distracts from pointing to the pattern of crime.

Remember the one about the CIA 'creating reality', then moving on to the next 'reality' while we analyse the last one?

Younger heads talk about what happened. Older heads look ahead to guess what might happen next.

We live in interesting times in the death of the old normal and the birth of the brave new world.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 23 2020 14:45 utc | 102

Side note to the above post: Most Americans rarely, if ever, see $100 bills ("Benjamins", as they are called by some in the US). These find most of their circulation outside the physical borders of the USA.

Odd, no?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 23 2020 14:47 utc | 103

Walter & kiwiklown

I have the constant feeling of that trouble ahead occurring in the lead up to the US election. Perhaps Trump insuring a few projects are begun and irreversible in case he loses the election, perhaps simply to gain some votes. If Biden gets in, nothing will change in the moves against China and Iran as they are election winners in the US.
Barring hot war and US collapse, we are heading into a cold war between the Russia/China block and five-eyes block.
Anti China and anti Russia moves seem more about great power games, whereas the crusade against Iran is religious so anything goes there.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2020 15:06 utc | 104

Louis N Proyect @Aug23 12:07 #94

Why let the facts get in the way when you are a partisan of the "axis of resistance"?

Yet another masterful display of dumbfuckery from Proyect.

1) "No information" isn't a fact that gets in the way of reasoned speculation.

2) b isn't ignoring or obscuring facts. He is upfront with the lack of confirmation.

3) Proyect fails to acknowledge b's update comment (made only hours before Proyect's) that points to an article that notes that: "Navalny said himself that he suffered from diabetes in 2019, giving some credence to this explanation."

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Proyect's comment is just the latest example of his manipulations to serve his own (partisan) agenda.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 23 2020 15:11 utc | 106

So much palaver about Navalny while the west has buried Assange alive!!!

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Aug 23 2020 15:44 utc | 107

I have twice collapsed by blacking out on early morning flights due to having little or no breakfast while dieting moderately (no diabetes), causing quite an alarm. The cause was simply long delays or running to the airplane. Once given a sugary drink, I apologized to passengers along the obstructed aisle for "dropping in on you like this," then boasted that it was the least I had ever paid for a soft drink on a plane. Now I carry snacks for emergencies.

Posted by: Sam F | Aug 23 2020 19:09 utc | 108

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 23 2020 13:09 utc | 97

I'm sorry,I misread,I thought you had those giant icecreams and eight candybars every day.It's just once week or a fortnight.

Just one question,that I am wondering about for some time.Do you have your drinking water in the USA enriched with fluoride?I ask this because when an adolescent in the Netherlands there was much debate about putting fluoride in everybody's drinking water,as a standard procedure.To counter the opposition the government stated that it was common practice in the USA ,and that there were never problems with it.The idea was to have a better protection from caries,teethwolf.They never succeeded in passing this as a law.So all my life i've been wondering if it was true that americans drank this fluorized water.Water comes from thousands of wells ,and I am wondering also if all the states have the same policy in this regard.

Please,if you would answer my question,do it on the Open Thread,because
no Navalny-pertaining subject.

Posted by: willie | Aug 23 2020 19:41 utc | 109

@jackrabbit, I agree. One of the things which makes b. a good analyst is he hates being wrong much more than being on the wrong side.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 23 2020 19:55 utc | 110

But if Navalny was poisoned and he lives, I then have to call out Russian poison experts who seem botch every job given to them by Putin. FSB has to get some expert help like from US chemical companies and how to poison properly.

Men Navalny's age typically develop Type II and are prescribe various pills to help control sugar. I have never head of any of these pills every leading to dramatic and quick lowered sugar. If the sugar levels cannot be controlled over time, insulin will then be added. If he was on insulin, then very easy to see that he would get dangerously low levels of blood sugar without eating. One of the more popular items with American diabetics is to carry carb/sugar pills to prevent dramatic blood sugar drops. Sorta strange in a way--to combat the effects of diabetes carry about sugar pills.

Posted by: Erelis | Aug 24 2020 0:41 utc | 111

Being a minor gadfly on the margins of politics, Navalny's playbook consists essentially of engineering stunts that attract media attention. I could list a half-dozen here. My reaction on hearing this was "just another Navalny stunt", reported, as expected, as "news" by a servile western media.

Posted by: Alex in Oz | Aug 24 2020 2:26 utc | 112

Erelis @ 111 -- "But if Navalny was poisoned and he lives, I then have to call out Russian poison experts who seem botch every job given to them by Putin. FSB has to get some expert help like from US chemical companies and how to poison properly."

Good one. Sounds like Russia's spy universities are sub-normal, unlike 'normal' nations the US.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 24 2020 2:59 utc | 113

William Gruff @ 101 -- "In the case of opposition to Putin, much of that opposition is loyal opposition... they want what is best for Russia and the Russian people. They know that handing the keys to their economy over to the Chicago Boys again is a recipe for disaster. That leaves only the dregs and foulest of Russian society for the US to buy off and use as a crowbar against the Russian state."
That is also true of the CCP. Thusly do you get the cockroach called joshua wong. Thanks for a great explanation on loyal / disloyal opposition. Appreciate your effort at informing younger minds.

"The end result is that US-backed opposition are nowadays ALWAYS far right, corrupt, criminal dirtbags who want their country wrecked if it makes them rich."
Which reminds me of the great obugger, who did exactly that, and walked off with a coupla mansions by the sea, Martha's Vineyard, no less. Would of made his kenyan (indonesian? whatever) daddy proud.

As well, I hope you will not mind if I append the words within brackets to your observation, "Nowadays capitalism (as practised in the US) is all but dead." The capitalism of fair & willing exchange between people of value for value will never die: it is what human freedom is about after all, if and when unrestrained by Big Money, or as psychohistorian persuasively argues, private finance.

Finally, I love your aside: "Israel is nothing more than a big military base...." Guarding a gas station. LOL.

Also, not forgetting your beautiful quip last week, "China has capitalists, but unlike western countries capitalists do not rule China. China manages their capitalists, and culls them when necessary."
Yuppp, unlike the West's leadership, who, by and large, serve the bankocracy, the CCP, again by and large, serves the Chinese people, all 200 tribes, not counting the Han majority, and yes, Uighers included.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 24 2020 3:32 utc | 114

Nathan Mulcahy @ 107 -- "So much palaver about Navalny while the west has buried Assange alive!!!"

Worse still is that the killing is going on in plain, very public, sight !!!

Where do they find these "civil" servants who will murder another human in such a cruel manner for, what, thirty silver dollars?

Meanwhile, the president who likely had knowledge of the impending murder is away scott free (or is it kenyan free?), buying up seaside mansions. And building libraries just like the emperors of old would, the better for the world to remember them by, they say, but, in obugger's case, more likely for use as centres of perversion.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 24 2020 4:02 utc | 115

Real Good Doc @4

Of course injecting insulin will do the trick, but mot usually it happens to diabetic patients who neglect to take care of themselves and think they are too clever for the disease, on a day when they are too tense or too busy and neglect feeding themselves. As Navalny, who is the typical "too clever" narcissist even though he reportedly had been diagnosed as a diabetic, and also reportedly had not had much (or anything at all?) to eat -- we know he had tea, zero-calorie fluid, but don't hear of anything else. If the plane crew had no training about hypoglycemia there is no surprise -- and no need to invent beta-blocker camouglaging or insulin provocation etc.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Aug 24 2020 4:10 utc | 116

Peter @ 104 -- "I have the constant feeling of that trouble ahead occurring in the lead up to the US election...."

The US has caused grief all over the world in all the 2 centuries of its existence, and will go on causing pain regardless of who is president. Institutional inertia alone constrains them to go on doing what they do until they can't. Pain will be all around for a long while more. The rest of the world will go on as well, for better or for worse. That is the bad news.

However, history shows us that when change comes, it can happen like as in a phase shift. Overnight, the old is gone, and a new dawn begins. When we use a longer sense of time, the pendulum of history will swing back, and so, there is hope for good news.

Problem is that you and I are long gone before history does its thing. So, how then do we live for now?

As for me, I would avoid the distraction of following the 'reality' set up by the bastards such as brennan; pompass; crapper; comey; obugger, but use my remaining time to read history (eg. reading the Franklin material that karlof1 shared here), and in turn, I would talk history with those with eyes to see, ears to hear, hearts to learn.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 24 2020 4:42 utc | 117

Gareth @ 54, Walter @ 96:

You both mentioned cocaine as a factor in Navalny's current health crisis.

Some news that was first published in October 2019:
FLASHBACK: NAVALNY’S DAUGHTER CONFIRMED HER FATHER’S COCAINE USE

Interesting also that the correspondence between Daria Navalnaya hints at a dysfunctional family: Navalny and his wife are fighting over his cocaine use and the daughter herself is experimenting with drugs. I pity Navalny's son Zakhar to be seeing what is going on in his family.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 24 2020 7:14 utc | 118

Merkel has a tough decision to make.
Having shot herself in one foot by falling hook, line & sinker for the Empire's Belarus election fraud trope, will she take aim at the other and endorse the Empire's balderdash about Navalny, thereby missing ANOTHER "wonderful opportunity to shut up" in the same month?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 24 2020 7:19 utc | 119

kiwiklown 117

I mean like the lead up to WWI and WWII.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2020 7:47 utc | 120

I've done a lot of searching for any reference of Navalny being diabetic before his current stunt but there is nothing. Just the single reference b linked to.

He pulled a similar stunt while in prison in 2019. This is his bullshit on it. https://navalny.com/p/6183/ needs opening in google or yandex to translate.

This was one of his stunts from 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACzdprEpimo

He has totally lost relevance the last few years. Self harm to gain relevance or go out as a hero as he put it. A shot of insulin was all that was required. Hypoglycemia - metabolic imbalance of unknown cause.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2020 8:01 utc | 121

Posted by: willie | Aug 23 2020 19:41 utc | 109

RE: Flouride

They do indeed put flouride in the water here, and in the toothpaste too. My own informal observation on the results was a.) not much in the way of side effects, insofar as I don't know of any such cases and b.) considerable reduction in cavities, as in my kids got lots less cavities than I did, I grew up pre-flouride times. You can avoid it if you want to, non-flouride toothpaste is available, etc.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 24 2020 8:52 utc | 122

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2020 7:47 utc | 120 -- "I mean like the lead up to WWI and WWII."

So, if WW3 comes, let it come. Can't stop an on-rushing train when it is almost upon us, but we just might alert others to its approach if we have eyes to see, ears to hear, hearts to love enough to speak up early enough. Many here in this bar room are like that, which makes this blog a joy, a breath of fresh air in these epoch-making times.

I did not experience WW2, but my parents, grandparents did. I grew up in the times of JFK, Vietnam, 9/11, through the present US bullshit.

All nations throughout history do bad things, some more than others. But NO nation does bad while pretending good quite like the leadership of the United Shits of Amnesia.

What despicable hypocrites !!!

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 24 2020 11:31 utc | 123

A German government spokesman said on Monday that it was likely that Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny was poisoned.
"The suspicion is... that somebody poisoned Mr Navalny — that somebody seriously poisoned Mr Navalny — which, unfortunately, there are some examples of in recent Russian history, so the world takes this suspicion very seriously," Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters.
"Because there is a certain probability of a poison attack, protection is necessary," he added.

Since when have medical 'facts' (suspicions) been delivered by the german government spokesmen and the doctors sidelined?

Posted by: Kaiama | Aug 24 2020 13:31 utc | 124

Steffen Seibert: …which, unfortunately, there are some examples of in recent Russian history…

Such as?

Unfortunately, there are some examples of falsely smearing Russia in recent German history.

Posted by: S | Aug 24 2020 13:58 utc | 125

Press statement from the Charité Berlin (a famous University Hospital) where Navalny is currently cared for:

Since his admission at the weekend, Alexei Navalny has been receiving treatment at Charité – Universitätsmedizin Berlin. The patient is being treated in intensive care and remains in medically induced coma. While his condition is serious, it is not currently life-threatening.

Following his admission, Mr. Navalny underwent extensive examination by a team of Charité physicians. Clinical findings indicate poisoning with a substance from the group of cholinesterase inhibitors. The specific substance involved remains unknown, and a further series of comprehensive testing has been initiated. The effect of the poison – namely, the inhibition of cholinesterase in the body – was confirmed by multiple tests in independent laboratories.

As a result of this diagnosis, the patient is now being treated with the antidote atropine. Alexei Navalny’s prognosis remains unclear; the possibility of long-term effects, particularly those affecting the nervous system, cannot be excluded.

The treating physicians remain in constant contact with Mr. Navalny’s wife. After close consultation with the patient’s wife, Charité is reassured that the decision to make details of the patient’s condition public would be in accordance with his wishes.

Posted by: b | Aug 24 2020 14:50 utc | 126

German doctors said he was poisoned. Confirmed by an independent lab. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/prominent-russian-opposition-activist-navalny-was-poisoned-german-doctors-say/2020/08/24/c0ac970e-e606-11ea-bf44-0d31c85838a5_story.html

Posted by: heysailor | Aug 24 2020 15:11 utc | 127

heysailor@127

"Independent" like the OPCW?

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Aug 24 2020 15:16 utc | 128

Don't want to be that kind of person... but I called it (@ #3).

Like, you can airlift the guy the same day from a distant country, but you can't get some lab results in the same time frame? That doesn't make any sense.

Unless you're spending the weekend doing political calculation (i.e. the BND was combining the narrative with the German doctors).

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 15:24 utc | 129

Cui Bono?

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 24 2020 15:29 utc | 130

Perhaps the headline now could be changed since german doctors claim he was indeed poisoned..

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 24 2020 15:33 utc | 131

Well, geewhiz. I believe them all. He shot up insulin and went into coma. Ru medicos tested for poison and got zero. Then he was airlifted unconscious (they say) by third party (cia?) and now in Germany he is discovered to be poisoned. I believe it all.

Obvious chain of custody any Sherlock can dissect.
Poison given after exit from Ru.

ie the Germans and Imperial cooperative agencies are murdering their own. Now that is an old story...

BUT this sends the message to Russia, "the game's afoot".

Plan for military assault. This game stinks of war and also a delusional "October surprise".

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 15:40 utc | 132

Addendum. Recall the Sherlock story "The Norwood Builder" the bloody thumbprint was decisive. Same this example.

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 15:50 utc | 133

This could change German/Russian relations for the worse, if Navalny survive he might stay in Germany for good and continue his work there, something that Russia probably will not really welcome.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 24 2020 16:20 utc | 134

I do not buy all the stories of Putin being a monster and a threat to Western Democracy but neither will ever understand all the Putinverstehers out there...

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Aug 24 2020 16:58 utc | 135

Not sure how this combines but until someone reduces it I maintain multiple tracks: Russian doctors lie/German doctors lie/Navalny lies/Nobody lies.
Cholinesterase inhibitors can mean pesticides but also medicine for Alzheimers which can be used as cognitive boosters (smart drugs). Was an innocent presence found and were wrong deductions made , was it found that he overdosed and that it caused his symptoms, was it found that he was deliberately poisoned?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 24 2020 17:02 utc | 136

Sarin or VX nerve agents ...

Some of the symptoms of cholinesterase inhibition can be confused with influenza (flu), gastroenteritis, pneumonia, heat prostration, alcohol intoxication, drug overdose, exhaustion, hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), asthma, or a brain hemorrhage, or even a heart attack.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rbsw/status/1297901523628851200

Posted by: Oui | Aug 24 2020 17:06 utc | 137

Navalny had very recently had to close his “foundation”, which had for some time been under attack by some very powerful people. I have heard rumours that its finances might be in a bit of a mess. He has probably done a runner and his German handlers have taken the opportunity to throw more mud at Putin. His arrival in Germany (as a guest of the Government!) was clearly expected.

I will be entirely amazed if Russia ever sees him again. He can investigate corruption to his heart’s content from a Bonn suburb. (Unless he is sent to live with the Skripals).

Posted by: Montreal | Aug 24 2020 17:27 utc | 138

The real mystery to me is why any country would care enough about this guy or his position to do anything at all:
· Whatever happens he's not going to be a reason for anything within Russia.
· Whatever happens he's not going to be a reason for anything outside Russia.
· Normal people couldn't care less.
· Stupid people already believe anything they're told (been there, done that, hopefully better now).
· Smart people already distrust the anti-Russian and anti-Chinese narratives to the point of boredom.
· Politicians have already for decades flaunted their desperate need for confirming their own narratives because they know so few believe them, and it never seems to satisfy them (because of course they know better).
· The stench of desperation keeps turning people away.

Then there's at least three alleged spies being accused during the last week, 1 for China and 2 for Russia, all very low level stuff and hardly mentioned in the press. I'm not convinced there's anything to it at all. It's about the same as three copies of the Austrian nonsense so it's not hard to understand that not even the ever-lying MSM manages to work itself up over it.

But certainly someone does seem to care an awful lot, at least in Germany where people like this guy are usually hunted down and feared instead of being given official status and exceptional medical resources. The irony of this can't escape anyone with a functioning brain, unless they know nothing which seems widespread.

Looks to me like someone is chasing their tail in an alternate world where non-important "assets" are given incredible importance because there's nothing else available. Simply dysfunction?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 24 2020 17:54 utc | 139

SRB@139
Yes, it is a big problem. The Russia (“Virtual Russia”) my friends and acquaintances know from the MSM bears only occasional passing resemblance to the real Russia with which I am very familiar. “Virtual Russia” is monstered every day in the MSM, a process the Western MSM is skilled and practiced at. We would call it setting someone or something up as an Aunt Sally (after the old pub game)

I read in some newspaper Navalny described as Putin’s rival. Maybe in “Virtual Russia”, but never in the real one..

Posted by: Montreal | Aug 24 2020 18:07 utc | 140

@ Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 24 2020 17:54 utc | 139

The real mystery to me is why any country would care enough about this guy or his position to do anything at all

The answer is very simple: because the reward is tremendous (the renaissance of the European economy thanks to the ransack of the Russian economy), and the cost is very small (just one guy and one medical clinic).

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 18:22 utc | 141

I took the article from DW Deutsche Welle where the hospital now says Navalny was likely poisoned. However, their 'culprit' poison, cholinesterase inhibitors, looks extremely unlikely as it is, in recent research, actually a substance that benefits people with diabetes: "Patients with diabetes and dementia were less commonly treated with cholinesterase inhibitors; however, the reductions in mortality associated with their use were significant and similar to patients without diabetes. Contrary to previous findings, no dose-response effect was observed.

Among the specific cholinesterase inhibitors, donepezil and galantamine had overall positive effect on mortality among patients with diabetes.

Reduction in diabetes-related mortality was associated with cholinesterase inhibitor use, while cardiovascular mortality was not significantly modified in patients with diabetes and dementia."

Posted by: Josh | Aug 24 2020 18:22 utc | 142

Let the propaganda battle begin:

Russian Doctors Deny Navalny Had Traces, Symptoms of Cholinesterase Inhibitors Poisoning

"Upon his admission to the [Omsk] hospital, Alexey Navalny was tested on a wide range of narcotics, synthetic substances, psychodiletics and medicinal substances, including cholinesterase inhibitors — all tests came back negative," Sabayev said in a press statement, as quoted by the Omsk Ministry of Health.

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 18:31 utc | 143

ANTIDOTE: Atropine and pralidoxime chloride (2-PAM Cl) are antidotes for nerve agent toxicity; however, 2-PAM Cl must be administered within minutes to a few hours (depending on the agent) following exposure to be effective. There is also generally no benefit in giving more than three injections of 2-PAM Cl. Atropine should be administered every 5 to 10 minutes until secretions begin to dry up.

INGESTION: If the patient/victim’s condition can be evaluated within 30 minutes of ingestion, in a hospital setting, consider gastric lavage. Gastric contents should be considered potentially hazardous and should be quickly isolated.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 24 2020 18:47 utc | 144

skripal round 2.... why do i always feel this is an intel op that is being laid on ordinary people?? i get it russia is to be pilloried regularly in the press, but at a certain point there will be enough outspoken people who will call bullshit on it too.. it defies logic how these intel agencies think they can play with dupes minds while forgetting there are some who will never buy into this bs....

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2020 18:49 utc | 145

A reply from someone I sent the article to:

Nobody is stating categorically that he was poisoned. But it does look very much as though he was - the hospital that is treating him says he seems have ingested cholinesterase inhibitors!!!

https://www.charite.de/en/service/press_reports/artikel/detail/statement_by_charite_clinical_findings_indicate_alexei_navalny_was_poisoned/

Who may have done it is pure speculation this point - Putin, a rival, Putin supporters, other Kremlin extremists?

As far as I am aware, diabetics don't scream in agony when going into diabetic shock. ??? There is video footage of him screaming in pain! Navalny may well have diabetes, but that's a red herring.

News agencies, though far from impartial these days, are still a better source than a shitty little know-it-all conspiracist blogger...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/navalny-could-well-have-been-poisoned-germany-says-11598278260
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/08/24/world/europe/24reuters-russia-politics-navalny-poisoning.html

Conspiratard bloggers will now start contradicting themselves about not being poisoned but saying someone else did it - like MI5, or the CIA, or Mossad, or Navalny himself. Or that the Berlin hospital treating him is part of the cover-up.

Posted by: William Tamblyn | Aug 24 2020 19:09 utc | 146

This morning there was a news on Russian media saying that German doctors have thanked their Russian coleagues fro keeping Navalny alive and that he had not been poisoned....

What could have changed?

Has already arrvied the US undersecretary of State to Europe?

This is another step by Fascist International, the BND and the Bundeswehr are totally infiltrated with nazi sympathizers, being continuously, allegedly, purgued...What could go wrong?

Relate this with the current match ball in Belarus...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 24 2020 19:12 utc | 147

: H.Schmatz | Aug 24 2020 19:12 utc | 147

Yes, Relate with Belarus (and everything else!)

Is clear. He was not poisoned while in Russia. Then, if he is poisoned, where did that happen?

En-route ? in Germany?

This is the Norwood Builder story. The bloody thumbprint that was not there is decisive.

Putin knows that the man left in not-poisoned condition, thus the affair telegraphs to the Russian that a global attack is pending.

In sense of Strategy it's dumb. The bears are going to be ready.

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 19:21 utc | 148

@ William Tamblyn | Aug 24 2020 19:09 utc | 146.. thanks for repeating the same bullshit... we certainly need that here as no one here is capable of reading the msm!!

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2020 19:25 utc | 149

A realistic rendition of a mafioso suffering a diabetes shock, in the unforgettable Godfather III, one of the best political films in history by the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMWdU1edvXQ

Posted by: Spyros Marchetos | Aug 24 2020 19:46 utc | 150

Tuyzentfloot | 136

“multiple tracks: Russian doctors lie/German doctors lie/Navalny lies/Nobody lies”

I would rule out any of the doctors involved lying. For the Omsk hospital, Navalny basically dropped out of the sky onto a stretcher. They were completely caught by surprise. Everybody was already fully preoccupied with Navalny before they could even find the determination to put out a set of lies. At which point lying about Navalny’s condition was already pointless.

Practically the same goes for the unfortunate doctors at Berlin’s Charité hospital. This guy ending up there of all places was a pretty random stroke. I don’t think they had an awful lot of time to prepare, or be prepared (=”briefed”). Even if some puppet master behind the scenes can arrange for Navalny to be brought to one specific hospital where there are assets among the doctors that can be brought to lie, he won’t have any influence on what ward or clinic (neurological? medical? one of the many ICUs?) would treat Navalny. Too much randomness everywhere for a plan to be acted out.

Navalny, on the other hand, is just Navalny. You can take it as a given that he lies, even if he doesn’t have to. This guy is just a histrionic tosser. Not the psychopath as liar like Browder, but the flashy histrionic as liar. Less dangerous, much more embarrassing.
So whatever the cause of his condition may be, I’m sure he will have brought it on his health just by himself. Consumed something he should not have consumed, failed to have an underlying condition properly treated, whatever. His responsibility, no other agent there.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 24 2020 20:10 utc | 151

...
Clinical findings indicate poisoning with a substance from the group of cholinesterase inhibitors. The specific substance involved remains unknown...

If it's true that cholinesterase inhibitors can have a legitimate role to play in the treatment of ANY Human illness or disorder, then the German doctors should say so AND explain why they didn't. When I was a kid, a couple of potions in the medicine cabinet were in brown 5-sided POISON bottles.

It's beginning to look as though Ms Merkel has decided to perform a few graceful figure 8s on some very thin ice...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 24 2020 20:21 utc | 152

Just in case the Cholinesterasa inhibitor theory goes on, repost here this comment posted at the week in review...

Cholinesterasa inhibitors were involved in the famous and terrible case of mass poisoning so called "Toxic Syndrome" in Spain in the 80s, adjudiced to Colza Oil, but that trail debunked by investigative journalist Andreas Faber-Kaiser...

The Russians were not...A pesticide also used as a military grade agent produced by a well known German chemical giant was discovered as the cause by some medical especialists who then were silenced, some died, originated in a tomatoes harvest in southern Spain delivered throughout the country...

That investigation costed Andreas Faber Kaiser his life...He died of VIH infection...before he left, he stated never knew where he could catch it...

https://andreas.faber.cat/articulos/denuncia/sindrome-toxico/

Reasearch by military doctor, Liutenant Coronel Luis Sánchez-Monge Montero, could help treating Navalny...May be the Russians could get to his research, and offer it to Navalny´s wife...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 24 2020 20:37 utc | 153

Perhaps he is intended to die? I have suggested as much. It is not like he will ever win any elections, so he serves the empire better by dying. They couldn't get him in front of a landmark that westerners would immediately recognize like they did Nemtsov, so they had to resort to other tropes that vacuous western TV viewers would identify with Russia with little prompting, like novichok.

If he is poisoned with novichok then the probability of CIA involvement rises to near 100%.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 24 2020 20:40 utc | 154

@Scotch Bingeington: I agree that it's quite unlikely any of the doctors are lying. but i'm somewhat anti-occam's razor. I will often keep unlikely hypothesis on the table even if I am strongly drawn towards much more compelling theories on there. Avoid reducing the breadth prematurely (Occam implicitly adds the assumption that you have to choose now). There's no hurry.
Between Navalny-team lying and not lying there are quite a few options.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 24 2020 20:42 utc | 155

@ Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 24 2020 20:10 utc | 151

Charité was not random: it was Navalny's family personal choice. They specifically told the Omsk's doctors they wanted Alexey in that specific German clinic. That's why he managed to get out of there against the doctors' prescriptions in the first place: the patient being unconscious, the immediate family has the right to decide which direction to take (continue as it is, deny treatment altogether, move to another hospital).

There was a two-day interval between Navalny's landing in Germany and the German doctors' announcement. Any surprise that could exist (and there wasn't any, as, as previously stated, the family already knew the exact hospital to intern him) certainly would've disappeared after full 48 hours.

The doctors' will are kind of irrelevant here (albeit their consent is essential to give credibility to the narrative), as the blood samples were tested in the laboratory (I don't know if it is a third party lab or the hospital's lab). The Germans don't need to poison Alexey Navalny; they just need to poison the samples.

The Omsk doctors not only are denying Navalny was poisoned: they have their own lab result which decidedly indicate he wasn't poisoned. So, either Omsk or Berlin are lying, but not both - and both cannot be stating the truth at the same time. One of them is necessarily lying, the other one is necessarily telling the truth (abstracting from the astronomically small possibility one of the labs committed a mistake or there was an error in the testing).

My guess is the Russian doctors are telling the truth. If the Kremlin wanted Navalny dead, they would've never let him get out of Omsk - specially to Berlin. Omsk must also surely have reserve samples (if they're street smart) which can be used as counter-proof, which they collected before allowing him be airlifted to Germany/NATO/EU. The Germans are more inclined to lie here because Germany has more soft power than Russia, so they can have the luxury of lying without losing credibility in front of the German people (the inverse case not being true: the Russian government having zero credibility in the international arena).

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 20:44 utc | 156

On Target: Putin is No Big Boy When It Comes to Executions - by Scott Taylor

http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-putin-is-no-big-boy-when-it-comes-to-executions

"Putin and the GRU should take lessons in extra-judicial executions from the US..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 24 2020 20:56 utc | 157

An important question about the poison is : how much.
It's like the OPCW report on Douma: they found chlorine! Yes they did. But how much.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 24 2020 21:18 utc | 158

Everyone should have known this was coming.
Navalny saying the day before that if Putin killed him he would die a here, then ensuring his photo is taken while drinking his Porton Down blend tea then the theatrical noises carrying through the plane after he give himself a shot of insulin or whatever.

The fully equipped plane at Omsk in less than 24 hours then the showy presidential convoy to the hospital - everything set up in advance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2020 21:19 utc | 159

@ Tuyzentfloot | Aug 24 2020 21:18 utc | 158... yes, indeed!!! just like we all wanted to know how much ''military grade'' novichok skripal was given, lol... truth is very tenuous at this point, but you make a good point... we all have poisons in our body... the question is how much and where did it come from and is that the cause of navalnys present situation... if we have to go thru another bullshit skripal affair - which i expect - then you can forget about rational questions like yours being answered!

think of all this as another propaganda affair.. this is what we have come to expect... truth is irrelevant and propaganda is all that matters.. that is the world we live in today...

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2020 21:48 utc | 160

put this in the open thread by mistake so repost here.

Is something lost in the translation? "diagnosed with a metabolic disease caused by low blood sugar".
Rather than low blood sugar caused by metabolic disease.
The doctors placed him in an induced coma which is usually done to prevent further damage to the brain.

If Navalny had diabetes, its inconceivable the doctors didn't simply state that. Navalny would have been under surveillance by security agencies. If he had diabetes, they would have known and the doctors would have been informed. His luggage was searched and nothing found, no poisons nor diabetes medications.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2020 22:14 utc | 161

Tuyzentfloot | 155

"I will often keep unlikely hypothesis on the table even if I am strongly drawn towards much more compelling theories on there. Avoid reducing the breadth prematurely (Occam implicitly adds the assumption that you have to choose now). There's no hurry."

I like that approach!

--

vk | 156

"Charité was not random: it was Navalny's family personal choice."

Alright, but so what? They go for the capital and the only hospital there that they've heard of. You can hardly call that premeditation. Or did they also direct him to a specific ward where the doctors are "in", or are all the doctors in all the wards "in"? For any prearranged scenario where you need to keep things under control Charité hospital is a nightmare. It's a giant sprawl and everybody and his uncle is coming and going. It's the exact opposite of Salisbury. For a prearranged psy-op they would have chosen the armed forces hospital in Berlin, which is just across the street from the Charité.

"the blood samples were tested in the laboratory (I don't know if it is a third party lab or the hospital's lab)"

Well, both, one would have to assume. And there you go, even more opportunities for hiccups.

"The Omsk doctors not only are denying Navalny was poisoned: they have their own lab result which decidedly indicate he wasn't poisoned."

The paper with the lab results certainly won't say "no way this person was poisoned, we assure you". It will just say if the substances the doctors ticked off on the request form were present in the samples or not. Any substance the guys did not tick off it won't say anything about.

"So, either Omsk or Berlin are lying, but not both - and both cannot be stating the truth at the same time. One of them is necessarily lying, the other one is necessarily telling the truth."

That's where I disagree. In spite of the media frenzy, the German medical statement doesn't say much at all, as a matter of fact. More precisely, the few sentences don't claim nearly enough to be a direct contradiction to what the doctors in Omsk said.

From the German statement: "Die klinischen Befunde weisen auf eine Intoxikation durch eine Substanz aus der Wirkstoffgruppe der Cholinesterase-Hemmer hin. Die konkrete Substanz ist bislang nicht bekannt und es wurde eine weitere breitgefächerte Analytik initiiert. Die Wirkung des Giftstoffes, d.h. die Cholinesterase-Hemmung im Organismus, ist mehrfach und in unabhängigen Laboren nachgewiesen."

"Intoxikation" doesn't mean "someone poisoned him". It just means the presence of a harmful substance in the body and that's it. How it got there is none of the word's business. What's more, no substance has as yet been identified. They're left to assume that such a substance must be there because cholinesterase levels have been confirmed to be pathologically low. That's where they're at. They have an effect, but the cause is as yet unknown. Not a likely culprit awaiting confirmation or further testing or anything like that, but completely unknown. So in fact, with doctors in Omsk saying we don't know what caused this episode, we just know some metabolism was off balance and doctors in Germany saying we don't have any cause, but cholinesterase is wrong, they're actually quite in agreement.

"My guess is the Russian doctors are telling the truth."

My starting point, too, so we're in agreement there. :-)

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 24 2020 23:48 utc | 162

Scotch Bingeington

A fully equipped plane and doctors where at Omsk in less than 24 hours where it had to wait a further 24 hours until Navalny was stabilized. Makes me think Merkel was forewarned and suitable propaganda props and stunts were ready to go. Then the massive presidential convoy from the German airport to the hospital - large number of ambulances and police escorts - purely for propaganda purposes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 0:10 utc | 163

I believe that Navalny is being promoted to stardom to split Russia and Germany even further.

Will it hinder NordStream2?

will it recenter Us servicemen departure from Germany?

What is there to win for Merkel?

I wish I knew.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 25 2020 0:50 utc | 164

@ Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 24 2020 23:48 utc | 162

Merkel has already demanded a criminal investigation from Russia:

Angela Merkel Urges Russia to Investigate, Solve Navalny Case in ‘All Detail’

Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, said earlier on Monday that Berlin is demanding a thorough and transparent investigation into the circumstances surrounding Navalny's illness.

I don't think I was clear enough: Navalny's family didn't just choose the hospital. They chose the country, the city and the hospital (that is, they wanted, from all hospitals in the world, the Charité). Navalny is rich himself, so he (that is, his family) could've chosen almost any city, any hospital in the world to receive treatment (including the USA).

It's common for rich families (which the Navalnys are) to stick to one set of doctor (family doctors and specialists) of one particular hospital for their whole lives (or until the doctor dies, whichever happens first). It wouldn't be farfetched to imagine Navalny receiving treatment from the doctors of his personal trust - or, of his and the CIA/BND etc. trust.

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2020 1:38 utc | 165

https://twitter.com/ChariteBerlin
1/4 Alexei #Navalny is being treated in intensive care at #charitéberlin and remains in medically induced coma. While his condition is serious, it is not currently life-threatening. Following his admission, Mr. Navalny underwent extensive examination by a team of Charité...

2/4 ...physicians. Clinical findings indicate poisoning with a substance from the group of cholinesterase inhibitors. The specific substance involved remains unknown, and a further series of comprehensive testing has been initiated. The effect of the poison – namely, the...

3/4 ...inhibition of cholinesterase in the body – was confirmed by multiple tests in independent laboratories. As a result of this diagnosis, the patient is now being treated with the antidote atropine. Alexei Navalny’s prognosis remains unclear; the possibility of...

4/4 ...long-term effects, particularly those affecting the nervous system, cannot be excluded. Press release:


"inhibition of cholinesterase in the body – was confirmed by multiple tests in independent laboratories" Is this the metabolic disorder the Russian doctors spoke of?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 1:41 utc | 166

Ok, lets face it. The GRU is an inept body unable to cleanly eliminate a thorn is the
flanks of power.

Putin should start to fire GRU officers left and right.

He must send the new incumbents to CIA classes:

administering cancer to Fidel Castro, Cristina Kuchner, and Hugo Chavez in a single encounter.

Drone assassination of Iranis and Iraquis generals in a single attack by Donald Trump.

Quartering and dismembering a dissident journo in a consulate by MBS under US guidance.

Killing of Seth Rich for leaking Hillary's papers.

Drone assassination attempts on Venezuelas Maduro,

And so many other attemps, successful and ususccesful againt weestern targets.

Yes the GRU needs some tutoring and teaching. because from the Skripals to Navalny they
have failed miserably at achieving their stated goals. Stated by the West.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 25 2020 2:08 utc | 167

The Charité is a large company that is 100 percent owned by the State of Berlin
https://www.charite.de/die_charite/

Cinema For Peace organised Navalny's 'rescue' and they are also based in Berlin.
https://www.dw.com/en/the-german-ngo-behind-alexei-navalnys-rescue/a-54661016
"The founder of the NGO behind his evacuation, Jaka Bizilj, said private donations had paid for the flight — a Bombardier Challenger chartered by a Nuremberg-based firm — as well as for the medical staff on board.
Bizilj told DW that plans for the evacuation were set in motion on Thursday after members of the Russian punk band Pussy Riot Nadya Tolokonnikova and Pyotr Verzilov appealed to the NGO for help.

"I got a call from Nadia Tolokonnikova from Los Angeles, from Pussy Riot, and from Pyotr from Moscow, asking me if we could help a dear friend, Alexei, who'd got poisoned too," Bizilj told DW in an interview. The foundation had flown Verzilov himself to Berlin in 2018 after he was poisoned and fell ill.

Dizilj stressed that although the governments of Germany's Angela Merkel and France's Emmanuel Macron had been briefed, Navalny's airlift to Berlin had been a "private" activity.

"It was very expensive to do it in at very short notice, but in the end, during the process, without having to think much about it, private persons came forward and took over [costs]," he said, adding that the charter flight would not burden taxpayers."
...............

So - Pussy Riot rings Jaka Bizilj. Magically donors instantly step forward for the cost of a charter plane. The plane is then kitted out with required medical equipment and doctors and is at the Omsk airport at daylight the next day. Navalny is then transported from the military airport to the hospital with a large convoy of military and civilian ambulances and police escort.
What a load of shit.

Same old Same old. Cinema For peace and Charite.
https://www.dw.com/en/pussy-riot-activist-discharged-from-berlin-hospital-after-alleged-poisoning/a-45651878
"A member of Russian protest group Pussy Riot has been released from a German hospital after recovering from a suspected poisoning. The activist says he's "convinced" he was targeted by Russia's secret service.

Pussy Riot activist Pyotr Verzilov was discharged from hospital in Berlin on Wednesday after making progress in his recovery.

"The patient's health has considerably improved," the Charite hospital said in a statement.

Doctors at the facility found no traces of poison in Verzilov's body, but say the "absorption" of a poison was the "most plausible explanation" for his condition."
......................


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 2:33 utc | 168

The self proclaimed king and the donkeys arse don't agree? I guess propaganda has to look entertaining at times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 5:08 utc | 169

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2020 19:01 utc | 9

You are close. Charite said they found Cholinesterase inhibitor and that they are treating with Atropin.

This is basically Novichok.

According to German media Navalny has been financed by Khodorkovsky who inherited the Berezovsky network. Navalny outed Deripaska, Prichodko and the escort girl involving Paul Manafort and claiming a connection to Trump's election campaign. Deripaska is the guy who employed/s? Yulia Skripal's fiance.

So we are back to Christopher Steele's network.

Was Navalny tracking Deripaska in Siberia? He seems to be heavily involved there.

And was Christopher Steele paid by Deripaska?

As with Skripal, there is an attempt now to force the European Union, Trump to sanction Russia in some form just in case they might come to an agreement on Belarus (or Ukraine).

Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2020 5:41 utc | 170

somebody "As with Skripal, there is an attempt now to force the European Union, Trump to sanction Russia in some form just in case they might come to an agreement on Belarus (or Ukraine)."

Could be. Merkel is very much behind both the Belarus move and the Navalny propaganda.

"This is basically Novichok." I had read most nerve agents target cholinesterase, but also cannabis is a cholinesterase inhibitor. Though unless the Russian doctors say he had cholinesterase issues, I think I will consider it bullshit.

At the moment, brain damage due to deliberate insulin overdose seems most likely.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 6:30 utc | 171

Ah huh. Sneaky Russians. It was Novachuck

"Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny was poisoned by military-grade nerve agents, German experts say"
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/russian-opposition-figure-alexei-navalny-was-poisoned-by-military-grade-nerve-agents-german-experts-say

The donkeys rear end and his king should be able to make some mileage out of this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 6:52 utc | 172

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 6:52 utc | 174
(Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny was poisoned by military-grade nerve agents, German experts say)

You can smell the desperation when Officials start pulling un-named experts out of their arses.

Couldn't help noticing this snippet from the SBS link...

This is a family of substances that includes drugs for Alzheimer's disease and certain insecticides, but also some of the most toxic known chemical weapons: nerve agents.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 25 2020 7:24 utc | 173

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/24/alexei-navalny-was-probably-poisoned-says-germany

    Tests indicate that Alexei Navalny was the victim of a poisoning and he is being treated with atropine, the same antidote used after the 2018 nerve agent attack in Salisbury, the German clinic where the Kremlin critic is a patient said on Monday.

Lol

Now we can be 100% sure its all bullshit

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 25 2020 9:11 utc | 174

High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell is already calling for an "independent probe" on Navalny's "poisoning":

Kremlin: German Clinic's Diagnosis of Navalny's Condition Doesn't Show He Was Definitely Poisoned

"The preliminary test results from the Charite – Universitatsmedizin hospital in Berlin indicate that the Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was poisoned during his stay in Siberia. … It is imperative that the Russian authorities initiate an independent and transparent investigation on the poisoning of Mr Navalny without delay," Borrell said.

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2020 11:26 utc | 175

Usually, when nothing burger like this is pushed at front page by MSM, it is the unreported news that have real weight. So what is going on in background while this is discussed ad nauseoum? Guess we will know in few months.

Posted by: Abe | Aug 25 2020 11:55 utc | 176

From the Pravda (machine translation):

The Charité confirmed Navalny's poisoning: what's next?

US Ambassador to Russia John Sullivan said on Monday that if the fact of the poisoning of Alexei Navalny is confirmed, it will be necessary to punish those responsible.

"If it is confirmed that Alexei Navalny was indeed poisoned, this will be a very important moment for Russia. The Russian people deserve that everyone involved in this case be punished," Sullivan said. The ambassador noted that this is "a very serious event for the United States."

A "very important" event both for Russian AND the USA. That can only mean one thing, and you already know what it is.

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2020 12:08 utc | 177

Posted by: Abe | Aug 25 2020 11:55 utc | 176

November. US elections. I am waiting for October surprise.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2020 13:52 utc | 178

Posted by: Abe | Aug 25 2020 11:55 utc | 176

add to 178

Better guess: Jan Marsalek and Wirecard. Wirecard is the "incredible" case of a clearly shady payment system company specialising in online gambling money with excellent connections to present and former German politicians (Merkel, Scholz, Guttemberg) plus Austria.

Jan Marsalek just fled to Russia having been on short trips to Russia before for 60 times.

The reason for Marsalek’s trips was a search for banks or payment services that Wirecard could buy, according to Russian friends of Marsalek who spoke to The Bell. One acquaintance said that he was aware of Marsalek holding talks with at least five different companies, apparently offering personally to take a stake. “I don’t know any dudes more cynical than him,” said another of Marsalek’s acquaintances, “the whole market understood that this was a money laundering bank and that they were laundering money from casinos, gambling and porn.”

Angela Merkel lobbied for this "money laundering DAX company" in China.

So let me guess: Wirecard was an intelligence outfit. Marsalek fleeing to Russia probably means Putin has got all the files of the transfers to the Western funded opposition groups plus some criminal outfits trying to transfer money abroad. As protection would not have been offered for nothing.

Wirecard may also have a lot of compromat on payments to German and Austrian politicians. RT for some reason has been purring like a cat recently.


Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2020 17:10 utc | 179

@ humblebum | Aug 23 2020 0:42 utc | 56
"Alcohol has sugar/carbohydrates. U drink too much u may get drowsy slur speech fall into coma."

The alcohol molecule is an isomer of the sugar molecule, and I would imagine could produce at least some of the same effects after being ingested.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Aug 27 2020 2:33 utc | 180

A VERY bad hangover.

Posted by: Marvin Sandnes | Aug 27 2020 17:53 utc | 181

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