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August 26, 2020

Belarus - NATO Lobby Acknowledges That Its Color Revolution Failed

On August 15 we explained why the color revolution in Belarus would fail. Belarus' President Alexander Lukashenko had offered President Vladimir Putin of Russia to finally implement the long delayed Union State that will unite Belarus with Russia. In exchange he wanted full Russian backing for shutting down the U.S. led color revolution against him. Putin accepted the deal. In consequence:

Lukashenko, and his police, will not hang from a pole. Russia will take care of the problem and the Union State will finally be established.

That does not mean that the color revolution attempt is over. The U.S. and its lackey Poland will not just pack up and leave. But with the full backing from Russia assured, Lukashenko can take the necessary steps to end the riots.

And that is what he did. Lukashenko continued to allow demonstrations but when on Sunday the demonstrators were directed to storm the presidential palace they saw a theatrical but strong response:

[T]he Polish-run Nexta Telagram channel (which is the main medium used by the Empire to overthrow Lukashenko) initially called for a peaceful protest, but at the end of the day a call was made to try to take over the main Presidential building. When the rioters (at this point we are dealing with an illegal, violent, attempt to overthrow the state – so I don’t call these people demonstrators) got to the building they were faced with a real “wall” of riot cops in full gear: this (really scary) sight was enough to stop the rioters who stood for a while, and then had to leave.

Second, Lukashenko did something rather weird, but which makes perfectly good sense in the Belarusian context: he dressed himself in full combat gear, grabbed an AKSU-74 assault rife, dressed his (15 year old!) son also in full combat gear (helmet included) and flew in his helicopter over Minsk and then landed in the Presidential building. They then walked to the riot cops, where Lukashenko warmly thanked them and which resulted in the full police force giving him a standing ovation. To most of us this behavior might look rather outlandish if not outright silly. But in the context of the Belarusian crisis, which is a crisis primarily fought in the informational realm, it makes perfectly good sense.

The protesters, which police had earlier identified as "rich city kids, the children of rich parents who are fed up with the well-fed life", did not have the stomach to attack a well armed and motivated police force.

The NATO lobby shop Atlantic Council has also recognized that fact and bemoans it:

The protesters are generally very sweet, polite, and peaceful. Many are young, middle class Belarusians who work in the country’s booming IT industry and come to rallies dressed in form-fitting hipster ensembles. Unlike events in Kyiv in 2013-14, there is no militant edge to the demonstrations. Indeed, this revolution is so velvet that at times it feels positively sleepy. For better or worse, there is a marked absence of the rough and stalwart young men capable of making liberals uncomfortable or leading the resistance if and when the authoritarian state decides to deploy force.

Without Nazi stormtroopers like the U.S. used during the 2014 Maidan riots in Ukraine there is no chance to overthrow Lukashenko. With such troops the fight would end in a massacre and Lukashenko would still be the winner. The author rightly concludes:

[T]he resistance of the Lukashenka regime is strengthening by the day. With Russia now seemingly standing firmly behind Lukashenka, photogenic rallies and patchy strike action will not be enough to bring about historic change.

It is over. The 'patchy strikes' were never real industrial actions. A few journalist of the Belarus state TV went on a strike. They were unceremoniously fired and replaced with Russian journalists. A few hundred workers at the MTZ Minsk Tractor Works did a walk out. But MTZ has 17,000 employees and the 16,500+ who did not walk out know very well why they still have their jobs. Should Lukashenko fall it is highly likely that their state owned company will be sold off for pennies and immediately 'right sized' meaning that most of them would be out of work. During the last 30 years they have seen that happen in every country around Belarus. There have no urge to experience that themselves.

On Monday the leader of the earlier MTZ walk out, one Sergei Dylevsky, was arrested while he agitated for more strikes. Dylevsky is a member of the self-proclaimed Coordination Council of the opposition which demands negotiations over the presidency. Other members of the council have been called in for questioning by state investigators over a criminal case against the council.

Meanwhile the rather hapless opposition candidate Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, who falsely claimed to have won the election, is in Lithuania. She is supposed to be an English teacher but has difficulties reading the English text begging (vid) for 'western' support. She has already met various 'western' politicians including the General Secretary of the German Christian Democratic Union party of chancellor Angela Merkel, Peter Zeimiag, and the U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Stephen Biegun. Neither will be able to help her.

With Russia's backing the military, political and economic stability of Belarus is for now guaranteed. Lukashenko will at some point be ousted but that will be at a time and in a way that is convenient for Russia and not because some hapless NED financed IT hipsters try to stage a revolution.

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@ Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 27 2020 17:07 utc | 103

But you're not hesitating in using imperialist sources to claim the Belarusian election was rigged. Why are some imperialist sources more valid than others, if you stated yourself it's all the same thing?

Even if you weren't, fact is you're making a serious accusation (which may trigger a war and kill millions of people) without any evidence. That's not how a pro-democracy person (as you claim to be) should act.

For all intents and purposes, you're advocating for war, extermination and the ultimate destruction of Belarus, as the only way out of Lukashenko is a Western takeover, a la Yugoslavia or Ukraine. So, how do you approach this scenario? Wash your hands in the fountain of fatalism? Is fatalism only valid when it is pro-West? Like, it's easy to raise the nihilist flag when it's your country that's benefiting from it.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2020 17:19 utc | 101

@uncle tungsten | 73 re Telegram not being secure.

Indeed, Telegram raised eyebrows when they eschewed Signal's open source secure protocol for a private one for no obvious need. Then followed an interview with the founders that they had been asked by US authorities to build in a back door, but heroically refused.

Everyone should use Signal, Edward Snowden and the EFF say so too!

Posted by: Leser | Aug 27 2020 17:24 utc | 102

@ Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 27 2020 17:26 utc | 106

Im advocating for the peaceful implementation of wealth equality throughout the World. This includes everywhere.

Explain, step-by-step, how such advocacy will be implemented. I'm anxious to read this miraculous formula.

I cited no sources regarding the elections in Belarus, Russia or the US. They are all rigged, as I already stated, to maintain the status quo.

Post them again. Refresh my memory.

Posted by: vk | Aug 27 2020 17:35 utc | 104

Mao, @ 107

What a load of crap.

Posted by: arby | Aug 27 2020 17:43 utc | 105

Paco--

Thanks for linking the Putin interview with Rossiya 24. Here's the official Kremlin transcript. On Belarus, Putin seems pleasantly pleased:

"Sergei Brilyov: We have seen numerous reports on your telephone conversations with European leaders. But these reports are usually just scanty press releases from the Kremlin Press Service. In fact, you have not yet publicly shared your view of the situation in detail. What do you think of the developments in Belarus?

"Vladimir Putin: You know, I think that we have shown much more restraint and neutrality with respect to the events in Belarus than many other countries, both European and American ones, such as the United States.

"In my opinion, we have indeed been covering the developments in Belarus quite objectively, from every angle, showing both sides. We believe that it is up to the Belarusian society and people themselves to deal with this. Although, certainly, we care about what is happening there.

"This nation is very close to us and perhaps is the closest, both in terms of ethnic proximity, the language, the culture, the spiritual as well as other aspects. We have dozens or probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of direct family ties with Belarus and close industrial cooperation. Suffice it to say that, for example, Belarusian products account for more than 90 percent of the total agricultural imports on the Russian market."

On the situation with the Russian Mercs:

"Vladimir Putin: This was an operation of Ukrainian secret services in cooperation with their US colleagues. Now this is known for sure. Some participants in this event or observers, well-informed people do not even conceal this now."

One point of difference between Ukraine and Belarus:

Putin: "By the way, the President of Belarus said that he is willing to consider conducting a constitutional reform, adopting a new Constitution, holding new parliamentary and presidential elections based on the new Constitution. But the effective Constitution must not be breached. Did you note that the Constitutional Court of Belarus issued a ruling, according to which it is absolutely unacceptable to establish supra-constitutional bodies which are not envisaged by the country’s basic law and which are trying to take over power. It is hard to disagree with this ruling." [My Emphasis]

On the Union Treaty and actions based upon it:

"Vladimir Putin: There is no need to hush up anything.

"Indeed, the Union Treaty, that is, the Treaty on the Union State, and the Collective Security Treaty (CSTO) include articles saying that all member states of these organisations, including the Union State, which consists of two states only – Russia and Belarus, are obliged to help each other protect their sovereignty, external borders and stability. This is exactly what it says.

"In this connection, we have certain obligations towards Belarus, and this is how Mr Lukashenko has formulated his question. He said that he would like us to provide assistance to him if this should become necessary. I replied that Russia would honour all its obligations.

"Mr Lukashenko has asked me to create a reserve group of law enforcement personnel, and I have done this. But we have also agreed that this group would not be used unless the situation becomes uncontrollable, when extremist elements – I would like to say this once again – when the extremist elements, using political slogans as a cover, overstep the mark and start plundering the country, burning vehicles, houses, banks, trying to seize administration buildings, and so on.

"During our conversation with Mr Lukashenko, we came to the conclusion that now it is not necessary, and I hope that it will never be necessary to use this reserve, which is why we are not using it.

"I would like to say once again that we proceed from the belief that all the current problems in Belarus will be settled peacefully, and if any violations are permitted by either side – the state authorities and the law enforcement personnel, or the protesters – if they exceed the framework of the law, the law will respond to this accordingly. The law must be equal for everyone. But speaking objectively, I believe that the Belarusian law enforcement agencies are exercising commendable self-control despite everything. Just take a look at what is happening in some other countries." [My Emphasis]

Brilyov takes the bolded bait and Putin delivers the coup de grace:

"Sergei Brilyov: Yes, but the first two days were awful for many people.

"Vladimir Putin: You know what I think about this. Was it not awful when people died in some European countries nearly every day?

"Sergei Brilyov: This is why Lukashenko rejected Macron’s mediation, offering instead to help him deal with the yellow vest protests.

"Vladimir Putin: Is it not awful when a defenceless person is shot in the back and there are his three children in his car?

"Sergei Brilyov: Yes, it is awful.

"Vladimir Putin: Have those who are putting the blame on Belarus and the Belarusian authorities, President Lukashenko, have these people condemned these acts? I have not heard anything about this. Why such discrimination?

"This makes me think that the issue is not the current events in Belarus, but that some forces would like to see something different happening there. They would like to influence these processes and to bring about the solutions that would suit their political interests.

"Therefore, I would like to say once again that the general situation [in Belarus] is improving, by and large. And I hope that all the problems – and there are indeed problems, because otherwise the people would not have taken to the streets – that all these problems will be settled peacefully within the framework of the Constitution and the law."

The distinction Putin made between Russian/Belarusan behavior versus that of self-righteous Outlaw nations will leave viewers nodding their heads in agreement and they'll thank their lucky stars they live in a civilized nation as they ought. Add today's sanctions against the company that made the vaccine--a huge crime against humanity--and Putin's closing remarks will be further reinforced. Neither Putin or Lavrov will use my words, but in their minds I'm sure they note the USA has moved from an Outlaw nation to being a Renegade nation against which more force needs to be applied via its Eurasian Strategic Partnerships in order to make it modify its behavior before it truly does something MAD.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2020 17:49 utc | 106

I am seeing that, absent any alternative narrative, you here, some, regulars and trolls, reinforce each other in spreading, in the end, Empire´s narrative...fro the most rethorical rodeos you may use...

Yes, there are anti-Belomaidan rallies....only they are not being reported neither the MSM, nor by the "alt-media"...being as they are both media almost a monopoly of the Empire...

Rallies across Belarus, resisting the color “revolution”. Share these videos, counter the imperialist propaganda/lie that all Belarusians are for the color “revolution”.

As you know online propaganda is essential for color revolutions.

https://twitter.com/narsheviking/status/1298377320034521088


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 27 2020 17:52 utc | 107

The thing is that Belomaidan rallies are almost deserted by people at this point...

#BELARUS—#Mogilyov, August 25, #BeloMaidan Independence Day rally. Very independent... of people generally.

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1298364181083807747

Meanwhile, on the same day...in the Anti-Belomaidan Movement....

Minsk, Komarovsky Market..

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1298365573223653382

Bereza..

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1298365038323957762

Baranovichi..

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1298364649172348930

Lida..

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1298363669601034240

Malorita..

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1298363345557389317

Meanwhile...in Donbass...

#DONBASS/#DPR—The opening ceremony after installation of a bronze bust monument to the legendary commander of #Somali Battalion of DPR People’s Militia, Mikhail #Givi Tolstykh, on the Alley of Glory, #Donetsk, August 25, 2020.

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1298320963222863872

#DONBASS—#Ceasefire between #Ukraine|ian punitive forces and the #DPR People’s Militia, summer of 2020. Voenkor Kotenok Telegram channel. https://t.me/voenkorKotenok

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1297936329192419332

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 27 2020 18:07 utc | 108

In reading certain commentators here and their views on democracy versus authoritanarism, some of them seem to lack any comprehension of the cultural aspects.

Belarus was part of Russia, for one thousand years, although I am open to correction if wrong, the peoples of Russia have always supported and adored a strong leader.

This has been completely diluted in the west. Belarus is basically Russia. Drawing a few lines on a map after yen centuries will not change the ethos of a people who have existed as a society for five times longer that that of the latest empire.

As the saying goes, ‘you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink ‘.

The ignorance of the western ‘ elites’. ALWAYS ceases to amaze me...

Posted by: Beibdnn | Aug 27 2020 18:12 utc | 109

There have been many failed color revolutions… ex.

Georgia 2003

Ukraine 2004 “Orange” but see subsequent Maidan, Our man Yats.

Kyrgistan “Tulip” 2005 then 2010

“Cedar” 2005 Lebanon

“Jeans or Denim 2005 - 2006” … Belarus

Moldova … several .. ex. “Grape” 2009

Iran “Green” 2010

Bahrain, Pearl, 2014

and many more…

...............

— Ok moot, what is a color revol. and what is not? A flexible definition (taking into account host culture) would be required to make a tally and conclude vaguely.

Color revolutions are extremely cheap. Paying some stooges, protestors, democracy promoters, feeble on-the-take pols, new figures who crave a stage, media that supports, internet posters, laptops, bribes, whatever, a shoe-string budget suffices. So investing in color revs. is not expected (by now) to have much success, as in immediate success, it is more or a crap-shoot, or just a habit. Win a few, loose a lot, no matter. Cheap. Plus ‘noble’ on the face … supporting the ‘young’, ‘democracy’, ‘development’, the economy, etc. etc. against some ‘ugly dictator’ or ‘sclerotic authoritarain regime’ etc.

The result is that repeated failure (note how the MSM cover that up) is nevertheless noticed by ppl on the ground, making ppl wary and the ersatz revolutionaries who might actually throw their lot in with the US (non-agreement capable, remember) not so keen. The merely short term profiteers abound…it has all become pretty much performance art and a bit of joke, so increasingly the ‘color revols’ just fizzle out. Demos, get a bit of cash, etc.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 27 2020 18:13 utc | 110

Poland summoned Belarusian ambassador on complaints for Belarus authorities claimming the illegal protests are called out from Poland, something by and large already exposed through tne myriad of data on NEXTA...plus...complaints on nmot allowing "humanitarian aid" entering Belarus...in the same way the Cúcuta event in Venezuela...

Ukrainian media: Belarus allegedly does not allow the so called "humanitarian aid" from Poland for "the victims who suffered during protests" to enter the country. What exactly is sending Poland? There is enough food in the shops. Bandages? Unlikely.

https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1298921942657818625

Apart from people without any scruples keen on easy money, we have the run of the mill nazi offspring organizing the Belomaidan..who other people would sell their ocuntry into slavery?

Stepan Putilo, who is behind the pro-'colour revolution' Telegram channel "Nexta", is the great-grandson of A.G. Putilo; head of office in Asipovichy for the Nazi occupation of Belarus.

https://twitter.com/kopamaros/status/1297978685530808321

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 27 2020 18:35 utc | 111

@ uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2020 8:29 utc | 71
"The working class and poor in the USA have some access to the democratic election process and can organise to change their fate.
Not so Libyans, Vietnamese, Chileans, Syrians, Venezuelans, Koreans, Iraqis, Cubans, Afghanis, Bolivians, Iranians, St Georgians, etc, etc,."

That is wrong in so many ways, in so many countries. Let's take your most egregious example, Venezuela. That country's Constituent Assembly process alone, makes Venezuela far more democratic than the US ever has been or ever will be. Then there are the municipal-level "Collectivos" that decide local matters by popular vote.

Here are the three relevant clauses of the Venezuelan Constitution re the Constituent Assembly process:

Article 347 of the Venezuelan constitution says:
“The original constituent power rests with the people of Venezuela. This power may be exercised by calling a National Constituent Assembly for the purpose of transforming the State, creating a new juridical order and drawing up a new Constitution.”

Article 348 of the constitution spells out the various ways that a National Constituent Assembly may be called:
“The initiative for calling a National Constituent Assembly may emanate from the President of the Republic sitting with the Cabinet of Ministers; from the National Assembly by a two-thirds vote of its members; from the Municipal Councils in open session, by a two-thirds vote of their members; and from 15% of the voters registered with the Civil and Electoral Registry.”

Article 349 says:
“The President of the Republic shall not have the power to object to the new Constitution. The existing constituted authorities shall not be permitted to obstruct the Constituent Assembly in any way. For purposes of the promulgation of the new Constitution, the same shall be published in the Official Gazette of the Republic of Venezuela or in the Gazette of the Constituent Assembly.”

In other words, political power in Venezuela is very much in the hands of the people, to a much greater extent than it is here in the US -- it is much more democratic than the US.

To a lesser extent, democracy is also very much alive in several of those countries you just slandered.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Aug 27 2020 19:37 utc | 112

good one AntiSpin

Posted by: arby | Aug 27 2020 20:56 utc | 113

Thank you Grieved #93

All good links and timely.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2020 22:54 utc | 114

AntiSpin #112

The intention of my words is to criticise the USA for attacking other nations that have no access to the USA democratic process.

I am sure all the countries I referenced as being attacked and sanctioned and impoverished by the USA have their own constitutions and political processes and democratic foundations. That was not my criticism - they are being punished regardless of their constitutions and they are unable to vote in the land of the attacker. Is that clearer?

The USA has systematically waged war on Libyans, Vietnamese, Chileans, Syrians, Venezuelans, Koreans, Iraqis, Cubans, Afghanis, Bolivians, Iranians, St Georgians, etc, etc,. It intimidates other nations into joining it or being sanctioned as well.

Those countries and many others are victims to aggression both military and financial by the USA and its captive nation collaborators at the IMF.

The USA is a belligerent state actor that threatens and intimidates people who are different or have resources the USA would like to steal.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2020 23:13 utc | 115

anti spin #112

and you set out the case nicely by referencing the Venezuelan constitution as to why Juan Guaido is in no way the President of Venezuela. The USA criminal leadership keeps distorting the Venezuelan constitution to promote this dog on their leash. The Venezuelan people have never given this yankee puppet any more than single digit votes for any role.

At least the Venezuelan people have a solid constitution to rely on and a President Maduro to defend it and them from USA aggression. The people in the USA can't even muster a candidate that respects their constitution or people.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2020 0:09 utc | 116

55 jaden

Putin isn’t an oligarch. Lukashenko isn’t a dictator . Just someone who takes his leadership responsibilities seriously

Posted by: Brian | Aug 28 2020 2:50 utc | 117

And about to ossify here in USSA.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 28 2020 1:00 utc | 117

USSA? Either a Trotskyist or a fascist (pretending to be something else). Usally it is the latter, although you work hard to pose as the former.

It would help your case if you actually provided any meaningful points instead of bitching, bloviating and denouncing all and sundry with blatant strawman arguments and assertions devoid of context.

But then again this isn't what professional trolls do.

Posted by: Constantine | Aug 28 2020 3:07 utc | 118

Posted by: Paco | Aug 27 2020 16:26 utc | 98 & 99 -- ".... the operation to trap the supposedly Wagner mercenaries was designed by Kiev together with the USA.... now publicly announced...."

Has anybody noticed that Putin is now naming the US very publicly, and on the record. This was since his UN speech just before launching the Syrian action, asking "Do you know what you have done?" Just like Russia, the Chinese have also dropped all 19th Century diplomatic good manners, and now publicly denounce the US.

It is clear now that the US leadership is also not shame-capable.

Thusly, PompAss' smug face as he "creates new realities".

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 28 2020 4:33 utc | 119

uncle tungsten @ 115 & 116 -- "The intention of my words is to criticise the USA for attacking other nations that have no access to the USA democratic process."

Well defended, Uncle T.

Still, many Amedikans are not capable of nuance, which is why liars such as PompAss get away with presenting "reality" in win-lose, black-white dualities, something like "You are for us or against us."

Here's one more indictment against US leadership, whom I despise so much: they are not nuance-capable, just like my idiot cousins. LOL

Posted by: kiwkklown | Aug 28 2020 4:45 utc | 120

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 27 2020 15:01 utc | 91 & 93 -- ".... respecting, listening to and acting in accordance with the wishes of the townspeople / stakeholders...."
While China's representative governance has quietly delivered the goods for 1,000,000,000 human beings in the last 70 years, the US has squandered their historic post-WW2 capital to benefit a few elite, cheating the deplorable Main Streeters, now reduced to fighting each other in the streets of a night.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 27 2020 15:15 utc | 92 -- "The West is ruled by the dictatorship of global private finance. All other claims to representative government are subservient to the "rule-based-order" of the cult behind global private finance."
So many in the West define "democracy" as if it means "holding free and fair elections". Perhaps those private finance guys might have something to do with instilling the necessary ignorance, exacting said subservience? Sad.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 28 2020 6:34 utc | 121

powerandpeople @ 45 -- "He (Lavrov) is saying that USA HAS BEEN TOLD very clearly there will be a geopolitical blocking response...."
karlof1 @ 48 -- ".... the Outlaw US Empire's been read the riot act by both China and Russia.... directed to those behind Trump, who are also those behind Biden: Things are going to change and you're going to be the one doing the changing...."

Yuppp.... Syria, Venezuela, Belorussia.... this old world she's a-changing.... and for the better, me says.

BUT.... and there is always a "but"..... seeing as how arrogantly cocksure they are of themselves, the US leadership will not deviate from their set course of global mayhem.

They are not learning-capable. Can't make a man learn if he is paid to not learn. Just look how giving a man a coupla Martha's Vineyard-type mansions will ensure that he not learn, but will read your teleprompter instructions to do your bidding.

Still, the Eurasian caravan marches on, while the dogs of yesteryear bark, "Not over my dead body".

Sometimes, dying dogs do not know they are soon dead.


Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 28 2020 6:50 utc | 122

Brian #117

Thank you and I second that.

And thank you kiwiklown.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 28 2020 11:37 utc | 123

The only problem I have with the Russian backing of Belarus is, what does Russia want in return? The socialist Belarus economy to be sold to Russian oligarchs?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 28 2020 14:10 utc | 124

The only problem I have with the Russian backing of Belarus is, what does Russia want in return? The socialist Belarus economy to be sold to Russian oligarchs?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 28 2020 14:10 utc | 124

That's a very genuine concern that many Russians would share, including Putin supporters. The way I see it, Russia may well be uninterested to force such a demand (benefits for oligarchs, that is) as a prerequisite for aid and unification. The negative developments may follow later, since a corporate oligarch will be able legally (not even preferential treatment) to expand his operations in another part of a unified country.

Posted by: Constantine | Aug 28 2020 16:17 utc | 125

Without organized militant elements like [insert every freaking revolution in history] there is no chance for the people to overthrow the state.
That is why, for the moment at least, the USG is not going to fall.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 28 2020 16:24 utc | 126

That was intended for :
conspiracy-theorist | Aug 26 2020 20:31 utc | 24

Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 28 2020 16:26 utc | 127

UN votes to Oppose intervention in the internal or external affairs of states.
104-1

GUess who's that exceptional one always at the
'right' side of history ???

Posted by: denk | Aug 28 2020 16:28 utc | 128

kiwiklown | Aug 27 2020 6:28 utc | 67

Good advice! I would just add that reading books about the Chinese civil war and the actors in it by authors who actually went and lived in the liberated areas while collecting material for their books; such as Edgar Snow's 'Red Star Over China' and books by Anna Louise Strong and Agnes Smedley's 'Battle Hymn of China', 'China Fights Back' and 'The Great Road' are very helpful in understanding modern China. In fact I would go further and say that without reading, at least some of them, it is very difficult to understand some things about modern China.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 28 2020 17:40 utc | 129

Grieved | Aug 27 2020 15:01 utc | 91
About "Democracy" The rule of the people by the people. Sounds good, dunnit? Until you consider that in the case of the peoples in the west, the sources of almost all their information about the World, information that they rely on to make "their" decisions on, are all controlled by six very wealthy, Jewish families, who are all, probably, in hock to/aligned with/controlled by, one bank.
To foul-up "Western democracy" further you have the big corporations (openly in the case of the USA) buying up the elected representatives!

Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 28 2020 18:12 utc | 130

kiwiklown | Aug 28 2020 4:33 utc | 119

Just like Russia, the Chinese have also dropped all 19th Century diplomatic good manners, and now publicly denounce the US.

I am just waiting for them to drop their apparent acceptance of the Official Conspiracy Theory about 9/11!

Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 28 2020 19:01 utc | 131

@conspiracy-theorist | Aug 26 2020 20:31 utc | 24

Without organized militant elements like [insert every freaking revolution in history] there is no chance for the people to overthrow the state.


@foolisholdman | Aug 28 2020 16:24 utc | 126

That is why, for the moment at least, the USG is not going to fall.

You are assuming that the only way to replace the US federal government is with another national government. There are other likelier possibilities. For example, the US can fracture, splitting into many pieces; this does not require an organized national resistance.

Posted by: Cyril | Aug 28 2020 23:00 utc | 132

@Cyril | Aug 28 2020 23:00 utc | 132

the US can fracture, splitting into many pieces

I would like to add that the prospect of a fractured US is not cheering to me. If the US splits up, who controls the nukes? When the Soviet Union fragmented, most of it (Russia) stayed intact and retained control of all the doomsday weapons. (Whew.) But if the US falls apart, which of the presumably mutually hostile regions will get the nukes?

Posted by: Cyril | Aug 28 2020 23:14 utc | 133

@ uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2020 23:13 utc | 115

You have my apologies, sir -- I completely misunderstood what you were saying.

I did think it an odd thing for you, that list, and especially the inclusion of Venezuela. I think I should have listened for that little nagging feeling that says something like "go back and read it again."

Again, my apologies.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Aug 29 2020 1:52 utc | 134

Posted by: vk | Aug 26 2020 18:05 utc | 3

You say:
1) The Brazilian Armed Forces already were in American hands (they are since 1957);

Can you give us some background/pointers/quick notes on how this came about?

Thanks.

Posted by: UD | Aug 29 2020 2:59 utc | 135

MINSK, August 29


Belarusian opposition leader says ready to consider Russia as mediator


The Belarusian opposition is ready to consider Russia as a mediator if efforts to resolve the political crisis in the country without international assistance fail, former
Belarusian presidential candidate Svetlana Tikhanovskaya
told Euronews.

"If we need foreign mediation in talks, we will definitely
see Russia as one of the participants in the process.

Russia is a country we have friendly and close relations with," she said.


https://tass.com/world/1195073


Posted by: Alina | Aug 29 2020 6:56 utc | 136

Translation in PT from Brazil
available at

https://nowarnonato.blogspot.com/2020/08/moon-of-alabama-lobby-da-nato-reconhece.html

Posted by: luisa vasconcellos | Aug 30 2020 21:05 utc | 137

@Posted by: Alina | Aug 29 2020 6:56 utc | 136

This is why the Women´s March of today was leaded by a bona fide Russophobe, a one Nina 73 years old...

As that the trick will not wash...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 30 2020 21:53 utc | 138

@ Alina 136 "We are ready for Russia as a mediator" sorry there is no mediation to be had and don't try and drag Russia into your muck.. the election is over you lost, albeit not by the margin that was claimed, now get on and do your job as an opposition in the political process and serve those who did vote for you in that way..you think Russia would fall for these cheap tricks ..

Posted by: Maximus | Sep 2 2020 10:31 utc | 139

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