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July 24, 2020

U.S. - China Spat Over Quarantine And Consulates Continues

The U.S. closed down the Chinese consulate in Houston in revenge for Chinese demands that diplomats coming from abroad to China undergo Covid-19 testing and quarantine. No U.S. media I have read has yet confirmed that fact which Moon of Alabama was first to report:

The unmentioned reason for the State Department's move is a squabble over virus testing and quarantining of U.S. diplomats who are supposed to return to China.
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The squabble continues. The U.S. diplomats have not returned and the consulate in Wuhan has still not reopened. The U.S. order to close the Chinese consulate in Houston is obviously an attempt to press China into lifting its testing and quarantine demands for U.S. diplomats.

The Global Times, China's flagship English language media, has asked two experts. Both confirmed our reporting:

Wu Xinbo, dean of the Institute of International Studies, Fudan University:

According to my understanding, it is a move to pressure Beijing to get more US diplomats back to their posts in China. Since the outbreak of the COVID-19, the US had hurriedly evacuated quite a number of American diplomats and citizens from China. Now Washington believes it is time for them to continue their China mission. Yet negotiations on their return did not go quite smoothly. ...

Wei Zongyou, a professor at the Center for American Studies, Fudan University

It has been quite some time that China and the US have remained locked in negotiations over conditions for the return to China of US diplomats and their family members. The harsh requirement for the closing of the Chinese Consulate General in Houston can be regarded as the US retaliation over this dispute. ...

The U.S. media still behave as if they have not noticed the unreasonable demand of Cootiestan's State Department. China would risk another Covid-19 outbreak if it were to exempt newly arriving diplomats from testing and quarantine.

China responded to the U.S. order to close its consulate in Houston with a mirror order to shut down the U.S. consulate in Chengdu. But notice how different the purposes of those outlets gets described:

As the United States lashed out against the “new tyranny” of China, Beijing on Friday ordered the closure of the American consulate in Chengdu, a retaliatory move that threatens to drive the two powers into an even deeper divide.

Beijing blamed the Trump administration for the deterioration in relations, calling its own action justified after Washington told China this week to shutter its consulate in Houston and accused its diplomats of acting illegally.
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[T]he Trump administration has said the closure of the Houston consulate was necessary because it had become a hub of illegal spying and influence operations, allegations that Chinese officials have denied.
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[T]he closure of the consulate in Chengdu, in Sichuan Province, the westernmost of the five American consulates in mainland China, deprives the United States in a city that is a hub for China’s commercial expansion across Central Asia. Chengdu is also its most valuable diplomatic outpost for gathering information on Xinjiang and Tibet, the two sometimes-restive regions in China’s far west.

Both regions have been the locations for wide-ranging security crackdowns that have drawn international criticism as abuses of human rights.

The Chinese consulate in Houston is accused, without any evidence, of being a "hub of illegal spying and influence operations". The U.S. consulate in Chengdu is, according to the New York Times, involved in "gathering information on Xinjiang and Tibet" and also used for the fake "human rights" campaigns against China - i.e. CIA information operations. Why is the chosen depiction so different?

As U.S. has many more diplomats in China than China has in the U.S. We can therefore be sure that the U.S. has more agents doing their nefarious stuff in China than Chinese agents are doing in Washington, Houston and elsewhere.

Some U.S. diplomats who had evacuated in January and February are now returning to China:

Washington and Beijing have been negotiating for weeks over the terms of how to send U.S. diplomats back amid disagreement over COVID-19 testing and quarantine procedures, as well as frequency of flights and how many each can carry.

There is no word yet how the testing and quarantining of these diplomats will be handled. I find it likely that China has stuck to its demands and that the U.S. conceded on the issue. That would of course be another issue the media would not want you to know.

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Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 25 2020 7:54 utc | 99 Bill Gates created a computer OS wich enabled large profits in "protecting" against computer viruses

Without commenting on the rest of your post, I have to take issue with that characterization.

When Gates created MS-DOS in the '80s, there were next to no viruses in existence, outside of proofs of concept. The first computer virus for MS-DOS was “Brain” and was released in 1986. When Gates created Windows, there *was* an issue of computer security - hackers had been around for a while, then - but Windows has been *widely* derided as being total crap when it comes to security, as opposed to UNIX/Linux (ironically, since the first computer viruses were developed against UNIX.)

So suggesting that Gates created his OS to make money by protecting against viruses is wildly off the mark.

It *is* true, however, that he always promises the "next" version of Windows to be "more secure" - which it almost never is. Windows 10 might be considered better - I'm not sure as I haven't read a comparative history of it vs earlier versions. Certainly it is compared to Windows XP. But that's not saying much. Also, considering how many hundreds of millions - that's the figure, BTW, 980 million (counting variants) - of Windows malware that are out there (UNIX/Linux malware isn't even a blip compared to that), and increasing, it would be hard to make a decent comparison.

Everything Gates does is about money. Everyone in the computer industry knows that. So anything he's doing with vaccines is going to be the same thing. His "foundation" is nothing but a stock-laundering scam to enable him to buy into corporations he'd like to control.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 25 2020 8:48 utc | 101

Meng's lawyers are now claiming that the fraud case against her is itself a fraud, generated by HSBC in return for leniency regarding the bank's own troubles with the US.
https://business.facebook.com/PeoplesDaily/posts/3474716215913504

Posted by: jayc | Jul 25 2020 9:24 utc | 102

@Richard Steven Hack | Jul 25 2020 8:48 utc | 103


Windows has been *widely* derided as being total crap when it comes to security, as opposed to UNIX/Linux (ironically, since the first computer viruses were developed against UNIX.)

Thanks for confirming one of my points.


Everything Gates does is about money. Everyone in the computer industry knows that. So anything he's doing with vaccines is going to be the same thing.

Thanks for confirming another point, even if it was just one of many examples. Bill Gates' "vaccine initiative" is nothing but a money scam on the back of the imaginary virus problem.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 25 2020 9:38 utc | 103

https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/intel-is-making-a-mockery-of-reshoring/

Oh gawd, my sides are hurting from this. The Yanks have thrown a virtually unlimited budget into chip fabrication, but yet they have falled so far behind their Asian counterparts to the point that they are giving it up. Forget the consulate noise, this is the real scoop in Yankistan decline.

Posted by: J W | Jul 25 2020 10:12 utc | 104

J W @ 106

Thank you for that link. As a Westerner that is very sobering. China has the financial resources, as well as a common language, to buy their way ahead.

One of the side effects of the US thrashing around at Russia, Iran and China is that it has, probably unintentionally, accelerated their efforts dramatically on getting free from US products, of all kinds.

As a Brit I find it sad that we are increasingly regarded as the annoying little yapping dog at the heel of the big bully. It could be so different.

Posted by: JohninMK | Jul 25 2020 11:06 utc | 105

Well, reading over all the night's comments, I had this sudden epiphany. Please let me explain how it works. First of all, the distance between proof-of-concept and actual delivery of the product can be pretty much infinite. I do remember, about 40+ years ago I worked for a Japanese Company (which shall not be named, since they are still assumedly mafia). So we were staring at a Japan item, which was a 300MHz chip, which was about ten times (an 'order of magnitude') faster than anything that the West could deliver. But well they were willing to 'share' their technology, so no problem.

I suspect that currently deliverable chips from the USSA max out not much higher than the 12,000MHz (12GHz) that we currently expect from industry (think satellite TV). So what happens when the Big China produces a chip that runs at 120,000MHz (120GHz), and they just won't share the knowledge of how to produce it? This is getting up there to almost making chips that operate at near infrared speed. And they have the nerve to tell it to the Godfather that they are not going to 'share'? Well that's a crisis right there, for sure. Mr. Trump cannot accept that, nor can his esteemed handlers. That is just unacceptable. Period.

Posted by: blues | Jul 25 2020 13:03 utc | 106

@JW 104
re: Intel says will quit the fab business

They aren't going to compete on the cost/quality curve with Taiwan and Korea (and in time China), so they're going to need a bigger subsisdy. From the article

the US House of Representatives passed an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act providing federal subsidies for semiconductor manufacturing

Strategists obsessing about crypto and AI (think drones/swarms) are going to be held hostage for this subsidy, as those are two of the apps that can actually benefit from the crazy 7nm stuff. For everything else, Intel would have to compete on price. And in one of the remaining applications that has customers with deep pockets - telecom infrastructure - there does not exist a US customer for intel, and Samsung, Huawei etc sure as heck aren't going to be buying from them.

Sure can put a 7nm chip in a mobile device, get a nice power consumption savings... but those are low cost markets and again, neither Samsung nor Apple are going to be buying Intel. That leaves what, servers?

Posted by: ptb | Jul 25 2020 13:16 utc | 107

uncle tungsten @ 81, thanks very much for this explanation of Xi's understanding of the importance of Chinese philosophical tenets, and in particular Confucian thought. What I most noticed when all the anti Russian rhetoric was being put upon the political scene in the US was how both Russia and China surpassed the US in compassion for the people they govern. Not too dissimilar from Christian morality in that, so the US track has been profoundly un-Christian in my own holding of that faith as originally practised by the earliest followers of Christ. His message was that of a merciful God who loves mankind, and that is the Christianity of Russian heritage.

When Snowden was given refuge at the Moscow airport, he was given Dostoievski's "Crime and Punishment" to read. I wonder if he did so. Dostoievski took his own faith from two centers: the homilies of Saint Isaac the Syrian, which are referenced twice in his final work, and which he based his character of Father Zossima upon. For some reason the only currently available English translation of the homilies is extremely expensive - but snatches of them can be found here and there online if one searches for them.

Dostoievski's second 'center' is the monastery of Optina, which has been brought back into existence. His description of the system of elders in "The Brothers Karamazov" is an important one. An elder is someone who takes your soul into his soul, has done so frequently enough to be able to understand the needs of a supplicant even before they try to express them. This is the secret also of good governance.

From Saint Isaac:

"Be persecuted, but persecute not;
be crucified, but crucify not;
be wronged, but wrong not;
be slandered, but slander not.
Have clemency, not zeal, with respect to evil.
Lay hold of goodness, not legality."

Posted by: juliania | Jul 25 2020 13:26 utc | 108

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 25 2020 8:36 utc | 100

"my father was one) into hating Chinese for a variety of BS reasons."

Glad to have your honest opinions. In my lifetime rarely came across a person like you who are not afraid to express what he believes without beating around the bush. This is not to say I agree with you 100%, but most the time I agree. While I was never incarcerated, it takes courage to said it openly, plain and simple.

Most MoA are leaning to Russia and China. Out there the wild West 66% yanks think like your father. Take a drive in comments' sections YouTube and ZeroHedge, it's atrocious and painful what people said of the Chinese. Like I said much earlier, The Chinese never invent anything they cheats, they steal and lied. I didn't said that, that was from my god loving Jehovah witness neighbor.

Yes the language used in this thread were strong and uncalled for to any opposite sex member. But you know as well as I the b**ch Victoria Nuland and Samantha Power did or lied repeatedly in UN and public forums - so many lives lost for what? To win an election? To punished Russia, or Putin? To justify more murder in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, China.... blah, blah? I stand behind what I said earlier and will not recant. PERIOD.

I'm surprise not many MoA knows much of Jennifer Zeng. Briefly, she surfaced in ZeroHedge, when the COVID-19 pandemic started in Wuhan early Jan. I was shocked, stunned Wuhan City fathers, locked doors, gated communities, forced everyone indoor. The massive body’s bags spew outside the hospital.. Blah, blah... I checked from trusted sites and sources to find the truth and reasons, yes hospital bed shortages and more than 1200 plus healthcare workers, doctors, nurses infected and many died. Dr. Liu Zhiming, director of #Wuhan Wuhan Hospital, died on Feb. 17. Earlier on dunno what to do, tried to cover up. But Dr. Zhong Nanshan, China top respiratory expert and SAR hero advised Xi Jinping be open and tell all. All those who covered up were replaced. 42,000 doctors, nurses and healthcare were airlifts to Wuhan starting the eve Chinese New Year or in China’s Spring Festival. China expected 3Billions trips movement. Instead of telling the truth Jennifer Zeng massage the truth with Simone Gao, Kyle Bass, Guo Wen Gui, Gordon Guthrie Chang, Chris Chappell China Uncensored, Falun Gong and more... Even WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is not spared

....thanks for reading and probably add more of your comments after a nap.

Posted by: JC | Jul 25 2020 19:46 utc | 109

juliania #108

Thank you for that information, Dostoievsky would have been a good read for the anguished mind of Snowden.

The integration of the material and spiritual philosophies in us humans following years of separation could build resilient societies and durable states that we have rarely seen over the past millenia.

I am particularly interested in the mature developments occurring in China as a counterpoint to the childmind degradation in the USA and its five eyes lackies. It is rapid and extraordinary.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 25 2020 21:47 utc | 110

@Norwegian | Jul 25 2020 7:16 utc | 96

Propaganda has always been important to the US. The propaganda even managed to make some people believe "America" is synonymous with the US.

True enough. Another example: killing off the natives was a justified act.


What is happening now is not that propaganda has suddenly been injected into the picture, but the fact that the quality of US propaganda has diminished significantly and become transparent to most people around the world.

US propaganda is of low quality because the country is already deep in the losing spiral of ever louder lies of ever lower potency.
In 2003, when George W. Bush's lies about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were believed by many countries, and they joined in the invasion of Iraq as members of the "coalition of the willing". In 2011, Obama lied about Syria's use of chemical weapons on its own people and asked other countries to join him in overthrowing Bashar Assad; almost nobody believed him. Several other accusations of chemical weapons usage by the Syrian government have come out -- most recently this year -- to absolutely no effect. US credibility is gone.

Another consequence of being trapped in the losing spiral is that the lies are coming from the US at an ever faster rate. For example, in the funny article "Trump may be no good at leading America – but he's really, really good at lying", Richard Wolff notes "It took [Trump] 827 days to reach his first 10,000 lies, but just 440 days to reach his second 10,000 lies."

The fate of propagandists is to fall into the losing spiral; escaping from this trap may not be possible without apologizing.

Posted by: Cyril | Jul 25 2020 22:29 utc | 111

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 25 2020 9:38 utc | 103 the imaginary virus problem.

I'm afraid I can't determine whether you're referring to computer viruses here or the pandemic virus.

Either way, you're wrong.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 1:01 utc | 112

Posted by: ptb | Jul 25 2020 13:16 utc | 107

"so they're going to need a bigger subsidy"

No amount of subsidies is going to save the greatly hollowed out STEM corps (who are sold out by the financial parasites) in the US in time before their Chinese counterparts steamroll everything in their path. These shifts happen in the course of an entire generation.

Posted by: J W | Jul 26 2020 1:48 utc | 113

Why does nt the CHinese cut the US personnel to the equivalent numbers of yellow diplomats in the Exceptionalistan?
Spyplomats should be courtmartialed. And Xi does nt yet know that every cautious approach is regarded by the exceptionalists as a weakness, no less.
Well, the Hong kong issue has been settled the chinese way, let the americans and brits honk as much as they please.

Posted by: augusto | Jul 26 2020 16:20 utc | 114

@Jackrabbit The Soviet Union had abandoned scientific socialism or Marxism-Leninism since 1956 since Nikita Jrushchov's manipulator, liar, misrepresentator slandered, slandered, defamed, and accused Stalin in his infamous "secret speech" in 1956. All these hoaxes are part of the Cold War anti-communist propaganda. Furthermore, the USSR abandoned socialism forever in 1956 and then returned to "state capitalism" with Khrushchev and transformed into "state monopoly capitalism" with Brezhnev. The USSR disappeared by the revisionist traitors, not by the communists, as the neoliberal fascists want to sell us with their anti-communist propaganda that celebrate the fall of the Berlin Wall, when the fall of socialism occurred in 1956. And we know this from Enver Hoxha.

Posted by: Cami | Jul 26 2020 23:50 utc | 115

@Cyril The Soviet Union had abandoned scientific socialism or Marxism-Leninism since 1956 since Nikita Jrushchov's manipulator, liar, misrepresentator slandered, slandered, defamed, and accused Stalin in his infamous "secret speech" in 1956. All these hoaxes are part of the Cold War anti-communist propaganda. Furthermore, the USSR abandoned socialism forever in 1956 and then returned to "state capitalism" with Khrushchev and transformed into "state monopoly capitalism" with Brezhnev. The USSR disappeared by the revisionist traitors, not by the communists, as the neoliberal fascists want to sell us with their anti-communist propaganda that celebrate the fall of the Berlin Wall, when the fall of socialism occurred in 1956. And we know this from Enver Hoxha.

Posted by: Cami | Jul 26 2020 23:52 utc | 116

Norwegian | Jul 25 2020 7:54 utc
Richard Steven Hack | Jul 25 2020 8:48 utc | 101

I know this is late, and probably no one will see it, but I find all these references to Bill Gates "creating" MS-DOS to be very irritating, so I have to post this.

"When Gates created MS-DOS in the '80s . . ."

You're both off the mark.

Gates did not "create" MS-DOS. He bought it from Tim Patterson of Seattle Computer Products and re-named it.

Gates doesn't "create" much of anything. He has thousands of coders who "create" nothing other than cranky, bug-ridden malware that they call apps and OS, and which require constant, also bug-ridden "updates" that can take a week or two for customers to iron out and get their computers back in working order again.

Ask me how I know . . .

Posted by: AntiSpin | Aug 3 2020 0:49 utc | 117

AntiSpin | Aug 3 2020 0:49 utc | 117

I thought the company was called Tall Trees Systems but the story is the same. IBM was looking for an operating system for its IBM PC. They initially favoured CP/M from Digital Research but apparently when they went to visit Gary Kildall the CEO he was too busy flying his new plane so they hit up Microsoft. Gates didn't have an operating system but he knew where he could get one. Helped by his father, lawyer William Gates who was a close adviser to the Rockefella family, Gates negotiated a non-exclusive deal to buy the Tall Trees operating system. The deal was that each party had the full rights to develop the raw system as they saw fit. Gates of course got a very fat contract with IBM to develop it with. Tall Trees could not compete and subsequently tried to sue Microsoft but of course the contract was watertight. The family connection with Rockafella is where Gates got his obsession with vaccines and using health care to control the world.

Posted by: Romanoff | Aug 3 2020 1:24 utc | 118

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