Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 26, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-59

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Other Issues:

U.S. Civil War of 2020:

Near and Present Anarchy - Susan Zahkin / The Baffler (long read)
Buildings damaged in Minneapolis, St. Paul after riots - Star Tribune
Meet the Youth Liberation Front behind a militant marathon of Portland protests - Seattle Times

Boeing 737:

Boeing 737 Max Ungrounding Pushed Back Again; WSJ Sources Say Early 2021 - Naked Capitalism
Southwest says slowed delivery of Boeing 737 MAXs could slip more - Seattle Times
FAA warns engine on Boeing 737 jets could shut down mid-flight, issues emergency order directing airlines to inspect, replace critical part - Chicago Tribune
Boeing to delay 777X as demand drops for big jets: Sources - Channel New Asia

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on July 26, 2020 at 14:26 UTC | Permalink

next page »

The next leader of Russia armed with the weapons and forces developed by Putin will NOT be so nice.

Posted by: Albertde | Jul 26 2020 15:15 utc | 1

@ Albertde | Jul 26 2020 15:15 utc | 1

The reasoning and arguments being?

Posted by: Lurk | Jul 26 2020 15:19 utc | 2

r.i.p. the magnificent Peter Green...i'm crestfallen.

in BB King mode...

in Freddie King mode...

in Peter Green mode, his lately expanded notation a glimpse into what was not to be.

Posted by: john | Jul 26 2020 15:35 utc | 3

@ Albertde | Jul 26 2020 15:15 utc | 1

The reasoning and arguments being?

Posted by: Lurk | Jul 26 2020 15:19 utc | 2

US led west doesn't leave room for atlanticist fifth column of Russian federation to gain political traction. Keeping their course in demonizing Russia and subjecting it with unfair standard of conduct wherever possible is sure way to boost nationalist faction political gain.
If the US led west want to strengthen their 'Democratic' factions on the Russian federation they need to start playing nice so at least those poor sob have something to work on. This however no longer possible for the US who rapidly left behind in development in every aspect.

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 26 2020 15:36 utc | 4

b... thanks.... those 737's sure seem destined to cause unlimited turmoil and are another sad commentary on the state of affairs in the usa..

@ 3 john... not to worry... lots of great music still happening... in the present mode..

Posted by: james | Jul 26 2020 15:47 utc | 5

Elon Musk admits on Twitter of being part of the Bolivian coup:

We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it

I know it's Twitter and I know Elon Musk has a history of making very dark jokes on it. But I don't think he's joking in this case. I think there's truth behind the sarcasm. My opinion is that the USG was the responsible for the coup, but that Elon Musk knew he would be one of its main benefactors, i.e. that the USG was acting on the interests of its bourgeoisie, him being one of them.


HSBC 'accomplice' of US political scheme against Meng Wanzhou, latest disclosures show

HSBC has already gone public and denied, with all its bones, any kind of involvement in Meng's arrest. But the Chinese government doesn't seem to have fallen for that.

Canada has already stated it was "deceived" by the USA. The rats are the first to abandon the ship, as the old saying goes.

Things are looking bleak for HSBC. Everybody knows it is the soul of capitalist Hong Kong, that it is involved in all the big crimes happening there. The CCP already had more than enough reasons to expropriate it and execute/arrest for life its shareholders and CEOs. Now it has the casus belli.


Where's Xi?

He was in the Northeast, solving the important problems of China:

Update: Xi Focus: Xi stresses further revitalizing northeast China

As the servant of the people, Xi knows he must keep it happy. The Chinese people always comes first, no matter how many international problems China is facing. For that, the CCP has other very capable members, who are doing their jobs with the utmost competency.

This is not the mark of a dictator, or of a dictatorship.

Meanwhile, Trump and his concilium is playing golf and threatening WWIII on Twitter with hyperbolic, like a tin pot dictator/banana republic dictatorship.


Fears grow over complacency as Japan sees nationwide coronavirus spike

Japan never deceived me. The same old pathetic wannabe fascist empire.


Intel is making a mockery of reshoring - US chip firm says it may outsource fabrication to Asia, which could have serious strategic implications

Like I said yesterday: it's not that the Westerners don't know how to do it, it's that it is not profitable for them to do it anymore. Capitalism has simply reached a stage of exhaustion.


The myth of Apple production leaving China

The alt-right must come to terms with the fact that they can choose either capitalism or nationalism, but not both.


New neo-Nazi terrorist groups will emerge as government bans ‘not effective’, experts warn

In both the Breivik and the NZ shooter manifestos, a list of underground far-right organizations is mentioned. They also hint there are dozens more. Sure, many of them could be skeleton formations, i.e. a community on the internet with a name. But many could not.

How long will the West be able to keep this ugly face under the carpet?

In the post-war, the center-left intellectuals shielded the neocons by attacking the USSR with the absurd theory of "totalitarianism". Their argument is that it was better to give up a slice of power to the right-wing and the far-right than to live under socialism (because that possibility would also imply the possibility of living under fascism, or vice versa). With that, they became the first political faction to be afraid of winning.

Now the West is descending to fascism on the altar of the Vital Center - the same altar on which it descended to neoconservatism (neoliberalism) 45 years earlier.

Posted by: vk | Jul 26 2020 15:52 utc | 6

Made the mistake of watching Fareed Zakaria show

The good, a 5 minute segment where a guest picked winner / loser countries post covid19 world.
Winners: Germany, Taiwan, and Russia, Loser: United States.
It was amusing to watch Zakaria's face contort at the mention of Russia being named a winner, 'wha-whaaaaaaat?' The guest had to reassure Zakaria that Russia is a crap country and only benefits because of Putin's Fortress Russia campaign and low debt making it capable of weathering storms. Zakaria's face still frozen in a mask of horror.

The bad a rather long segment on Russia, China, and Iran's meddling campaign for our next election. This was more painful to me then when I had appendicitis and had to wait several hours before anyone could drive me to the emergency room.
1. Two experts, a China hater and a Russia hater from different 'Institutes'

2. The gratuitous adding of Iran to the list without explanation. Pro-Iranian views are invisible.

3. Russian hatefest was over the top. It was a classic case of accusing Russia of what we do. Russia (aka United States) nihilistically creates trouble and by amplifying discord in other countries in order to deflect from their own domestic problems and foreign adventurism in places like Syria and Ukraine.
Nihilistic spoilers? We the U.S. lost in Syria but are now trying to create a quagmire for Russia and are pulling out all of the stops to make Syrians brutally suffer with a full scale trade embargo and partition of their country.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 26 2020 15:54 utc | 7

I cannot see that Boeing 737 MAX will ever fly with passengers again. Why would people board such a death trap?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2020 16:23 utc | 8

james @ 5

... lots of great music still happening...

yeah, i know, but i wonder if they'll be able to play it loud and boisterously, you know, unrestrained, in tightly packed clubs, ever again?

Posted by: john | Jul 26 2020 16:24 utc | 9

yeah, i know, but i wonder if they'll be able to play it loud and boisterously, you know, unrestrained, in tightly packed clubs, ever again?

Yea, I remember in LA in 1968 with maybe 400 people--
The Who, Fleetwood Mac, Arthur Brown.
99.9 of the people stoned on acid. It was a bit different.
Seats? you are kidding of course. that prevented you from rolling on the floor.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jul 26 2020 16:33 utc | 10

Posted last Open Thread - 58:

Olivia de Havilland, the last surviving star of 'Gone With the Wind' star, dies at 104.

RT headline.

Another addition to the cancel movement? Be very careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 26 2020 16:40 utc | 11

Duncan Idaho @ 11

sounds like good times, but i can even remember seeing the Scott Henderson trio tear it up in front of a packed Iridium on Broadway and 51st towards the end of January 2020.

Posted by: john | Jul 26 2020 16:55 utc | 12

Adam Tooze is the best of the euro social democratic historians.

But he ends up in the imperialist camp with his stupid description of Xi's or the CCP's "regime." A "regime" in all North Atlanticist thought is illegitimate.

Also, he blames global economic turbulence on Chinese wages being too low.

While Chinese wages are a relevant factor, Tooze ignores the long term economic stagnation and lack of competitiveness of US industrial capital.

The logic of Tooze's argument is that there is a Chinese "regime" which is empowered and enriched by the super-exploitation (i.e. low wages) of Chinese workers and by state interference in the market (subsidies, etc).

In other words, he ends up parroting liberal imperialist arguments about China's "totalitarian" methods internally and with respect to global economic relations.

Containment and regime change a la Pompeo are the next steps to that argument.

Disappointing to read that from Tooze, but social Democrats have always sided with imperialism.

Posted by: Prof K | Jul 26 2020 17:01 utc | 13

@ 10 john / duncan idaho etc.... no packed audiences up here where i am... 50 person capacity... the bands are loud and boisterous still - i did a few gigs in june indoors - 50 people capacity, but the vibe is very different at present... doesn't look good for live performance at present.. that is cool all the shows both you two have gone to.. scott henderson is from the westcoast right?? i am still having gigs be cancelled on me!

Posted by: james | Jul 26 2020 17:29 utc | 14

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 26 2020 15:54 utc | 7

"Made the mistake of watching Fareed Zakaria show"

Real funny HaHaHa... I knew of better things to do than watching plagiarism.

Posted by: JC | Jul 26 2020 17:36 utc | 15

Recap from today's Global Times where the argument is to continue to stay the course and counterpunch in the typical martial arts fashion, as this op/ed from today's Global Times says:

"Chinese analysts said Sunday the key for China to handle the US offensive is to focus on its own development and insist on continued reform and opening-up to meet the increasing needs of Chinese people for better lives. In the upcoming three months, before the November US presidential election, the China-US relationship is in extreme danger as the Trump administration is likely to launch more aggressions to force China to retaliate, they said."

Stay the course; Trump's shit is just an election ploy. However,

"The US' posturing is serving to distract from domestic pressure over President Trump's failure in handling the pandemic when Trump is seeking reelection this year, Chinese observers said. However, the Trump administration's China stance still reflects bipartisan consensus among US elites, so China should not expect significant change in US policy toward China even if there is a power transition in November, which means China should prepare itself for a long fight."

Don't stray from the Long Game. An international conference was held that I'll try to get a link for. Here's GT's summation:

"According to the Xinhua News Agency on Saturday, international scholars said at a virtual meeting on the international campaign against a new cold war on China on Saturday that 'aggressive statements and actions by the US government toward China poses a threat to world peace and a potential new cold war on China goes against the interests of humanity.'

"The meeting gathered experts from a number of countries including the US, China, Britain, India, Russia and Canada.

"Experts attending the meeting issued a statement calling upon the US to step back from this threat of a cold war and also from other dangerous threats to world peace it is engaged in.

"The reason why international scholars are criticizing the US rather than China is that they can see how restrained China remains and the sincerity of China to settle the tension by dialogue, even though the US is getting unreasonably aggressive, said Chinese experts.

"Washington has made a huge mistake as it has chosen the wrong target - China - to be 'the common enemy or common fear' to reshape its declining leadership among the West. Right now, the common enemy of humanity is COVID-19, and this is why its new cold war declaration received almost no positive responses from other major powers and even raised concern, said Lü Xiang, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, on Sunday."

Today's Global Times lead editorial asked most of the questions everyone else's asking:

"People are asking: How far will the current China-US confrontation keep going? Will a new cold war take shape? Will there be military conflicts and will the possible clashes evolve into large-scale military confrontation between the two?

"Perhaps everyone believes that China does not want a new cold war, let alone a hot war. But the above-mentioned questions have become disturbing suspense because no one knows how wild the ambitions the US ruling team has now, and whether American and international societies are capable of restraining their ambitions."

IMO, the editor's conclusions are quite correct:

"The world must start to act and do whatever it can to stop Washington's hysteria in its relations with China.

"Right now, it is no longer a matter of whether China-US ties are in freefall, but whether the line of defense on world peace is being broken through by Washington. The world must not be hijacked by a group of political madmen. The tragedies in 1910s and 1930s must not be repeated again."

Trump is elevated to the same plane as Hitler and Mussolini, and the Outlaw US Empire is now the equivalent of Nazi Germany and the Fascist drive to rule the world--a well illustrated trend that's been ongoing since 1991 that only those blinded by propaganda aren't capable of seeing. I think it absolutely correct for China to focus its rhetoric on the Outlaw US Empire's utter failure to control COVID, which prompts some probing questions made from the first article:

"Shen Yi, a professor at the School of International Relations and Public Affairs of Fudan University, told the Global Times on Sunday that there is wide consensus among the international community that the COVID-19 pandemic is the most urgent challenge that the world should deal with. Whether on domestic epidemic control or international cooperation, the US has done almost nothing right compared to China's efforts to assist others and its successful control measures for domestic outbreaks.

"In response to US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's 'new Iron Curtain speech' at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library on Thursday declaring a new cold war against China, Shen said, 'We can also ask 'is Pompeo an ally of coronavirus?' Because he wants to confuse the world to target the wrong enemy amid the tough fight against the pandemic, so that the virus can kill more people, especially US people, since his country is in the worst situation.'

Shen said, 'In 2018, US Vice President Mike Pence already made a speech which the media saw as a new 'Iron Curtain speech,' and in 2020, Pompeo made a similar speech again, which means their cold war idea is not popular and brings no positive responses from its allies, so they need to try time and again. Of course, they will fail again.'" [My Emphasis]

Wow! The suggestion that Trump, Pompeo, Pence, and company want to "kill more people, especially US people" seems to be proven via their behavior which some of us barflies recognize and have discussed. Now that notion is out in the public, internationally. You don't need Concentration Camps and ovens when the work can be done via the dysfunctional structure of your economy and doing nothing about the situation.

Shen provides the clincher, what Gruff, myself, and others have said here:

"'So if we want to win this competition that was forced by the US, we must focus on our own development and not get distracted. The US is not afraid of a cold war with us, it is afraid of our development.'" [My Emphasis]

My synopsis of both articles omitted some additional info, so do please click the links to read them fully.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 26 2020 17:41 utc | 16

@ Posted by: Prof K | Jul 26 2020 17:01 utc | 14

The irony in Tooze's argument is that the reality is exactly the opposite: social-democracy was only viable in Western Europe because wages and working conditions in the Third World were precarious.

With super-profits being extracted from the Third World, the First World working classes could have some prosperity in the form of "profit participation", which took shape in the form of the Welfare State.

It was only when the Third World begun to consume more and become a little more prosperous that social-democracy in the First World begun to decay. The reason for that is obvious: the capitalist class is the dominant class; what it gives, it can take away.

So, the problem for the center-left in the First World is not that China is doing unfair competition with low wages, but the exact opposite of that: it is consuming more than ever, its wages are higher than ever (already double of the Brazilian wage, for example) and is more prosperous than ever. This made the middle classes in the First World less relevant, and thus poorer, as given the laws of motion of capitalism.

So, what Tooze actually means is the exact opposite: that China should be put back on its knees, its people back to eating dirt and dying like flies, so that the super-profits that enabled the Welfare State in the Western Europe can come back from the dead. And that all of this should be propagandized in Europe as being good for the Chinese people.

Posted by: vk | Jul 26 2020 17:43 utc | 17

Sputnik offers this analysis of the China/Outlaw US Empire issue, where I found this bit quite apt from "Alexey Biryukov, senior adviser at the Centre for International Information Security, Science and Technology Policy (CIIS) MGIMO-University":

"'The US is fighting with a country that is developing very rapidly, gaining power, increasing its competitiveness in areas where previously there was undeniably US leadership. Attempting to neutralise a global competitor is the main goal of Americans. Neutralising China's rapid, dynamic development is the essence of the American strategy. Meanwhile, China is interested in developing friendly relations with all countries. Recently, it presented the idea of building a community of common destiny for humanity. That's what Sino-American relations should be built around. It would seem that the pandemic should have brought people together around the idea of building a prosperous world for all, not just someone. But the Americans didn't understand that: they started looking for the guilty ones. This is the favourite strategy of Anglo-Saxons, Americans including, to look for the guilty. As a result, they found their main competitor – China'”. [My Emphasis]

That is the "guilty ones" that aren't within the Outlaw US Empire. Many more opinions are provided in the article, but they all revolve around the one theme of Trump's actions being motivated by the election and his morbidly poor attempts to corral COVID.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 26 2020 18:02 utc | 18

'Near and Present Anarchy'

The root cause of this 'Near and Present Anarchy' is quite simply that the transnational elites seized control of U.S. politics in 1980, with the election of the puppet Reagan, and have transformed the U.S. from a (somewhat imperfect) democracy into an oligarchic dictatorship.

Here's how this works:

1. Complex modern societies require complex systems to function. These systems must be 'auto-creative' in order to adapt and adjust to the ever-changing chaotic environment in which human civilization exits.

2. Complex 'auto-creative' systems require that authority be distributed throughout the system in order adapt and evolve.

3. Authoritarians, such as these trans-national elites (Globalists, Davos Crowd, however you want to call them) centralize authority. For them, distributed authority is a threat to their power.

4. Under centralized authority, the complex systems can no longer adapt, as required. This is because those in charge, universally, have too little knowledge and information about the nature of the problems or the nature of the solutions required, and what information they do have is always too late. What is worse, all solutions are to the benefit of the authoritarians in charge, and not to the benefit of the population as a whole.

5. As a result, the complex systems that were developed over decades in the U.S. under democracy, and especially under FDR, and that resulted in unprecedented U.S. prosperity and power, have been systematically degraded and destroyed since 1980. The 'Near and Present Anarchy' is simply what happens when you destroy a society's systems.

Iraq provides a perfect example of what happens to a country when you destroy its systems. As Liz Cheney said, at the time :

"We had this sense that one could go into a nation like Iraq and if you sort of either arrested or removed from office the top layer of leadership that other Iraqis would sort of rise up and take over”

( Liz Cheney on Iraq; Speaking at the U.S. Capitol Visitors Center for the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute's Conservative Leadership Seminar; Huffington Post; First Posted: 06- 9-09 01:46 PM)

They had no idea that when you destroy the complex systems that run a society (in Iraq's case by removing the people that run they systems), what you are left with is anarchy.

Unfortunately for the U.S., the transnational elites that run the U.S. learned nothing from lessons such as Iraq.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 26 2020 18:28 utc | 19

Here's a bit of "Mars attacks" style planning for 500'000 Hong Kongers. - "Nice country you have there - we'll take it." 500 sq. km of a totally independent "country" with it's own laws, police and tax "laws".

"Nextpolis — a preliminary proposal on establishment of an international charter city in Ireland."

Simon Coveney, the foreign affairs minister, was unaware that Irish officials had preliminary discussions with a Hong Kong property tycoon about the possibility of putting a new city in one of six locations around Ireland.

A series of meetings have been held in Ireland and Hong Kong in recent months about sourcing a 500 sq km area of land for the new city. The locations discussed were between Drogheda and Dundalk in Co Louth; to the east of Galway city; an area just north of Limerick city; a plot outside Waterford city; a site to the east of Cork; and an area near Killarney and Tralee in Co Kerry.

The initial proposal Ko sent the Department of Foreign Affairs in January set out how "a freezing survey", setting out the boundaries of the new city, would be done in the first half of 2020. Public works on the scheme could have started by the end of this year following the execution of a city charter.

The proposals said the new city would be self-funded and provide its own police, but security services would be provided by Ireland at "a service fee" to residents.

The presentation said: "To secure a piece of land of about [500] sq km in Ireland, by way of a long-term head lease, to develop and operate an autonomous international charter city, namely Nextpolis, at the cost of a group of international investors led by a general partner and the future Nextpolis city government."

It states the city would have an initial population of about 50,000 but would grow to 500,000 over 20 years, with at least 50% comprising people from Hong Kong. Nextpolis would have a "free reforming economic system" within Ireland; an independent relationship with the EU; control of its own borders; a low and simple taxation system; no foreign exchange control; and an emphasis on "ease of setting up and conducting businesses".

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 26 2020 18:39 utc | 20

Short, info packed article about the coming "Tsunami of Evictions" within the Outlaw US Empire as preventive legislation expires:

"In a ‘normal’, pre-pandemic economy, a number roughly equal to the population of Pittsburg, Pennsylvania – or about 3.7 million people – are evicted every month in the United States, according to Matthew Desmond, principal investigator of Princeton University’s 'Eviction Lab' project, which tracks evictions throughout the country and produces the first nationwide eviction database.

"But, come Friday, July 24, those numbers could rise precipitously should the moratorium on evictions, included in the CARES Act be allowed to expire. The legislation afforded renters with a 120 days’ grace period from 'fees, penalties, or charges in relation to nonpayment of rent' and barred landlords from filing eviction notices of any kind during that period."

And as you'll assume, those most affected are peoples of color. The numbers involved make the Fraudulent Bankers Crisis of 2008-9 small by comparison:

"The American Bar Association’s Task Force Committee on Evictions revealed that a staggering 28 million homes are at risk of coming under eviction [Link at original] orders due to the economic fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic."

At an average of 4 people per home, 112 Million people stand to become homeless, which is roughly 1/3 of the Outlaw US Empire's internal population. Imagine the political fallout that will result. It's no wonder that TrumpCo are screaming at China every chance they get. Here in Oregon, Governor Brown extended her statewide eviction ban through September 28, which will likely be extended again as the COVID isn't retreating. At the federal level, I doubt anything will get done that's useful thanks to Senate Republicans who are now quite clearly against providing any help to the overall citizenry as it's not just those at risk that will be harmed by the massive numbers of evictions. Most cities already struggle to cope with the level of homelessness that already exists, and that will explode between now and election if nothing's done.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 26 2020 18:41 utc | 21

Events in Portland, Oregon continue as the protests grow larger daily/nightly. This is a good recap and provides good details around the legal debate in the courts. Meanwhile, Solidarity Protests are arising nationwide showing this event will, IMO, continue until the election, and likely escalate once evictions begin.

For something different this Sunday, here's an interesting thought piece I don't completely agree with for several reasons, which for now will remain muted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 26 2020 19:47 utc | 22

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, answers a question:

"Question: Can you comment on the recent statement by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on the US-Chinese relations?

"We noted US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s remarks on US-Chinese relations made on July 23 at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library.

"We were surprised by the defiant tone of Mr Pompeo’s statements, which predictably contained crude references to China, its social and political system and its leaders. Unfortunately, these things are common in US foreign policy diplomacy these days.

"The tension in relations with Beijing being provoked by Washington, in addition to harming the United States and China, is also seriously complicating international affairs. These two countries are permanent members of the UN Security Council and play an important role in global affairs. Together with the other Security Council members, they bear a special responsibility for maintaining global stability.

"We regard Pompeo’s statement on the possibility of dragging Moscow into the US anti-Chinese campaign as yet another naive attempt to complicate the Russian-Chinese partnership, and drive a wedge into the friendly ties between Russia and China. We intend to further strengthen our cooperation with China because we regard this cooperation as the most important factor in stabilising the situation around the world."

Hehe--Crudeness is "common" from the Outlaw US Empire nowadays. I wonder what would be required for Russia to characterize TrumpCo as "Madmen" aiming to start a Hot War?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 26 2020 19:57 utc | 23

Leonard Peltier was extradited from Canada to USA based on fraudulent information, but it was only realized as such well after the fact. Peltier remains in jail to this day, a political prisoner based on the insistence of the FBI that someone must be jailed for life over the events at Pine Ridge in the mid-70s. Peter Mathiessen's "In The Spirit of Crazy Horse" remains a very powerful work of investigative journalism and an indictment of American "law and order".

Posted by: jayc | Jul 26 2020 20:05 utc | 24

Some good comments in here.

@20 dh-mtl

I agree that contrary to what TPTB will tell you, neoliberalism involves a centralizing of power, not the reverse.

An example that needs studying, however, would be the rise of neoliberalism in the former U.S.S.R. That involved a firesale of public property and land and gutting of regulations.

Curious example and I haven't quite wrapped my head around that and worldview needs some informing in this area.

Can neoliberal AND communist, state-overseen economy both involve hyper-centralization? Can regulation and also its lack be present in hyper-centralized economies?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 26 2020 20:19 utc | 25

@20 dh-mtl

I pushed post for the above comment and then had a dim lightbulb come on.

If I understand you correctly, centralizing of economies just means a disempowering of local control or those which actually know and have the experience to run an economy.

Perhaps it was not neccessarily "Neoliberalism" that helped strip the assets of the former U.S.S.R, but rather the complete and utter lack of capable hands at the healm. IOW, pure, unadulterated chaos and the vultures get to feast.

So maybe not neoliberalism at all. Just organized theft.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 26 2020 20:25 utc | 26

Stonebird @21 – 'Nextpolis' (or is it 'Next-stop-olis':) sounds like a miniature City of London, where oligarchs conduct their international thievery without interference or accountability, a suitable adjunct to Ireland's tax haven where the appropriate palms get greased.

Posted by: norecovery | Jul 26 2020 20:27 utc | 27

At this point it time, I don't see that it would matter much to Boeing if the 737 is approved or not. Due to the virus, air travel is down by 90%, and I have read that it is not expected to return to its pre-virus level until 2023, three years out.

Presumably the airlines have plenty of non-737 planes to handle the current level of traffic. I can't see the airlines ordering any new aircraft for several years at the least.

Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III | Jul 26 2020 20:41 utc | 28

karlof1 @Jul26 19:57 #25

"We regard Pompeo’s statement on the possibility of dragging Moscow into the US anti-Chinese campaign as yet another naive attempt to complicate the Russian-Chinese partnership, and drive a wedge into the friendly ties between Russia and China.

Thanks for bringing that to our attention karlof1.

I wrote a comment that suggested that Pompeo was doing exactly what Maria Zakharova has taken note of:

Pompeo's call for China to "... conform its nuclear capabilities to the strategic realities of our time" is a smart move on his part.

It highlights China's ambitions as a warning to Russia.

<> <> <> <>

I found it strange that my comment sparked no discussion. The only reply was:

@Jackrabbit (28) Well, your guess is as good as anyone's.

So it's nice to see that my "guess" was a little better than anyone's.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 26 2020 20:49 utc | 29


Thank you for the Global Times reports on China - US relations.

The reporters recognise that the USA mendacity is bi-partisan. Joe Biden wakes up in hate and goes to sleep in hate and he has been ordained as the next Doge of the USA.

I don't expect this global aggression to wind down anytime soon as the USA is but an empty shell of economic production. The people of that country will be subjected to an immense propaganda effort and the blunt force of policing to maintain order and the people of the world likewise.

I don't believe war is inevitable in these circumstances as both China and Russia appear to have studied The Art of War closely. I expect the USA in the eyes of many other states and its allies will be reduced to idiocy and derision.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 26 2020 20:55 utc | 30

@ dh-mtl | Jul 26 2020 18:28 utc | 20

Perceptive synopsis of conditions facing the future. The surreptitious takeover began much prior to Reagan's administration, beginning as early as the end of WW II with the loss of China to Mao's 'Communists' (giving birth to the John Birch Society, paralleling McCarthy's anti-communist circus) creating a carefully nurtured division within the public. L. B. Johnson's ill advised adventures, based upon Eisenhower's 'domino theory' from post WW II Eastern European experience cemented the end of the F. D. R's 'New Deal' as Nixon's reactionary response to social unrest in 'Law and Order' was decisive in gaining the president's office and installing the reactionary cadre that still perfuses government office today. Carter being an outside the beltway phenomenon hadn't the national cadre needed to replace completely the Nixon-Ford installations. Nixon's part was to gain control of Dept. of Justice, installing a 'ideological sect' who's purpose was to replace the regulatory apparatus with 'fellow travellers' bent on neutralising regulatory law ostensibly 'freeing markets'. The uncertainty of the Iranian hostage crisis wrote the end of Carter's administration and opened the doors to power of Reagan-Bush regime, riding the high wave of the 'moral majority' (neither moral nor majority but sufficiently numbered to matter). Thus what you have provided. This is an artful and successful example of long term planning that has not been present in public service since F. D. R. died.

Your observations about complex systems are highly accurate and might be summed as 'cannot self correct', the Achilles heel of absolutist authoritarianism. The problem with absolutist authoritarianism is their adhesion to power once obtained, the phrase 'prized from cold dead fingers' adequately describes. Rest assured removing these ideologues from power will require existential force from outside and limits to casualties do not exist. The other consideration is attack through their Achilles heels, let their complex system collapse as all maladministration tend with additional coercion and force needed to continue (let them stew in their own juices) until they are gone. The extent of damage to all aspects of social cohesion will take generations to heal and erase the intellectual structures now in place. The goal is to reduce the number of victims until the above is achieved, the methods can vary but preservation of history, of knowledge unadulterated by revisionists and pathologic ideologues is crucial, even though libraries are burnt and books banned - a big order but achieved in many stable societies under more trying conditions in the past.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 26 2020 21:30 utc | 31

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 26 2020 20:49 utc | 31

You are a good commenter that i respect, and have good intuition as well.

Why do you think that the US Empire decline and loss of power is still unclear? I'm also very careful not to underestimate the US, and i made that point many times, yet long term estimates point to long term decline of the US.

I have seen lots of studies, and all of them point to loss of relative power for the US up to 2060, and some for up to 2100 as well.

Debt rates alone nesseciate significant cuts for the US. For example under January CBO estimates (current law), US military budget was estimated to drop to 2,5 % of GDP in 2030 from 3,2 % today. And even large cuts (1,4 % of GDP) for civilian discreationary spending too are in the pipeline, under current law. All of this before the Corona crisis. The new debt from the Covid crisis and the GDP drop means that there will be even bigger cuts for the US incoming.

The US hysteria and radicalisation, IMO, is due to the realisation that the US does not have much time. It must do something soon or it will be fubar. It will be way weaker in 2030, this is a done deal. It will be bleeding and losing strength, it is enough to see the budget cuts estimates for up to 2030 to understand that. Looking at the numbers i see bleeding ahead.

According to various analysts, China was also the biggest winner in raw capabilities from the Covid crisis.

For example the IMF GDP estimate for 2020 was + 2 for US and + 6 for China (+ 4 net gain for China) and today it is -8 for US and +1 for China (+ 9 net gain for China under Covid crisis). That combined with large debt increase for the US and small debt increase in China.

My theory is that the US has gotten crazily anti-China in the last months precisely because it realised that China gained from the Covid crisis in relative terms, and the US weakened itself, wich caused renewed fears of the decline of the US among US elites, which then causes massive triggering and hysteria among them.

That is, they plan to start a Cold War with China and then Covid comes and weakens the US even further. Which makes them very angry, as this internal weakening interferes with their hopes for a new Cold War and smashing US competitors.

This is why all the crazed and hateful reactions from US elites in the last several months. It is like an wounded snake, lashing out in hatred, realising that its winning chances has decreased.

They need to accelerate the attacks against competitors as the US does not have much time, and tomorrow maybe too late.

Posted by: Passer by | Jul 26 2020 21:49 utc | 32

it was the chicago school americans that promoted the deregulation and asset stripping and privatization of the former ussr, not some domestic organic political process. they had eager allies in the people that became oligarchs, and in yeltsin. the whole process was us style disaster capitalism.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 26 2020 22:00 utc | 33

A paragragh from the latest global times piece that looks to be a follow up of the article Putin wrote not long back.
"Right now, it is no longer a matter of whether China-US ties are in freefall, but whether the line of defense on world peace is being broken through by Washington. The world must not be hijacked by a group of political madmen. The tragedies in 1910s and 1930s must not be repeated again."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2020 22:06 utc | 34

NemesisCalling | Jul 26 2020 20:19 utc | 27

'Can neoliberal AND communist, state-overseen economy both involve hyper-centralization?'


Communism = Communist Party dictatorship combined with a planned economy.
Neo-liberal = Oligarchich dictatorship combined with a market economy.

In the case of neo-liberal, the dictators set the rules of the market economy to favor themselves, rather than to be a fair market that serves the population. The end result is that, in the U.S., it is now not so much a market economy, but an economy of serial monopolies.

For complex societies to perform well they need to have governance systems with distributed authority that truly work on behalf of the population as a whole. Dictatorships, with centralized authority, are incompatible with complex systems.

To see a clear example of what happens when authoritarians take control over complex systems, one needs to look no further than Boeing. Highly complex systems (design, safety, quality, etc., etc.) were built over decades, which allowed the employees of Boeing to build remarkable airplanes, with each employee contributing their expertise and exercising their authority, within their specific roles. But then the authoritarians took over (financial guys, about 1997 if I recall) and began to override the decisions of the employees, to cut corners in order to 'enhance returns'. By centralizing authority and overriding the decision of employees, these authoritarians have severely damaged the complex systems that enabled Boeing to build remarkable, high performing and safe airplanes. And as a result they are well on their way to completely destroying this once great company.

The neo-liberals are doing the same to the U.S. as a whole!

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 26 2020 22:12 utc | 35

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 26 2020 22:03 utc | 36

>>The US hasnt gotten crazily anti-China, the Trump Administration has purely for purposes of a theme to build its re-election.

Yet i have seen lots of bipartisan support for a Cold War with China.

I do agree that this may have to do with Trump's reelection chances going down too, so it remains to be seen what will happen in 2021 if Biden wins. We will have to see.

Still, i also remember that it was the Pentagon and the 5 Eyes pushing against China, and not simply Trump. The war on China tech and Huawei for example was started from the intelligence services. The Pentagon and the Deep Sate will be there long after Trump is gone.

>> As China rises so does western elite wealth.

Didn't AG Barr told US businesses recently that "China intends to replace you"?

Think about it. There is absolutely zero gain for US capitalists or Deep Sate if chinese tech becomes the dominant world tech standard. They can't spy on the world anymore. What gain there is for the US if Huawei dominates world 5G? Preciely zero gain for the US.

>>The USD remains strong worldwide.

JP Morgan begs to differ. And the USD is weakening itself right now.

Posted by: Passer by | Jul 26 2020 22:19 utc | 36

Top Iranian official: US has decided to kill Hezbollah chief Nasrallah - Israel Hayom

Very likely. That wouldn't actually help Israel, however. It's Hezbollah military power that Israel needs to be defanged before the US can start a war with Iran.

However, Nasrallah is one of the smartest people in the Middle East, and is an able leader. Killing him would inflame Hezbollah and possibly result in actions that Washington and Israel could use to justify an attack on Lebanon.

And that's Israel's and the neocons' real goal - get the US and Israel to work together to get rid of Hezbollah so they can start a war with Iran in which Israel would not have to worry about Hezbollah's missile arsenal.

It's debatable whether that is doable, but there's no doubt that Israel can't do it by itself. It needs American air power (especially B-52 tactical bombing) and troops to deal with Hezbollah.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:18 utc | 37

john | Jul 26 2020 15:35 utc | 3

Timeless genius tempered with a little bit of madness

manic mode

oh well mode

I really enjoy showing these sort of clips to the young guys at work - most of them have no idea that this sort of music exists.

...that dude is fucking cool...

Posted by: ted01 | Jul 26 2020 23:29 utc | 38

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 26 2020 18:41 utc | 22

Depends on the speed of the evictions.

I don't know how other states do it, but here in California it can take *two years* to get somewhere evicted. In the SRO where I live, we've had a number of flagrant nutcases refuse to follow the orders of the management with regard to room cleanliness, behavior against other tenants, violation of building rules, etc. In at least two cases that were near me in the building, it took a full *two years* to get them evicted.

Of course, non-payment of rent gets you evicted a lot faster. So you're probably right.

Another point is the average number of people in a household in the US is the Orwellian "2.53" - not 4. Not that the reduction in the total number is going to help much. It's still millions of people.

One has to start asking whether the Republicans prefer this to be the result as a plan to further the descent of the US into outright dictatorship. After all, the more displaced, the more likely that violence and crime will rise, resulting in harsher laws, and given the current level of riots, perhaps martial law.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:33 utc | 39

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 26 2020 18:28 utc | 20 They had no idea that when you destroy the complex systems that run a society (in Iraq's case by removing the people that run they systems), what you are left with is anarchy.

Except what you end up with is not anarchy, but dictatorship. Anarchy - which *is* "the distribution of authority to all levels" - would have prevented most of that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:34 utc | 40

Some valuable commentary from Tooze's, Whose century?

"Meanwhile, Trump and his team put the blame for the China crisis on their predecessors in the Obama, Bush and Clinton administrations. For hawks, such as the US trade representative Robert Lighthizer and Trump’s favourite economic adviser, Peter Navarro, the question is why the effort to enrol China in the world economy was undertaken in the first place, and who benefited from an experiment that has gone so badly wrong." ...

"The boom in China’s exports in the new century wasn’t the result of a sweetheart deal, but of the extraordinary mobilisation of labour and capital that began in the 1990s. And in that process Western capital played a key role." ... "US manufacturers such as Boeing, GE and Pepsi, banks like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan, and the insurance giant AIG all wanted the new market, and they wanted the cheap labour."... "To get approval for the deal in Congress American business mounted the most expensive lobbying effort ever. So eager were American firms to be seen as the chief advocate for China, they had to form a committee to make sure they didn’t fall over each other." ... "They folded China into their corporate planning as though all that was involved were private business decisions, not a wholesale rewiring of the global order. Today, that wager on the world as a playground of corporate strategy is unravelling."


Manufacturers like Boeing! From the linked CNA article:

"Boeing hopes to bring the jet to market as passenger travel rebounds after a downturn caused by the pandemic. It would also hope for a detente in a trade war between Washington and Beijing, which has sidelined crucial Chinese aircraft buyers." ...
"The 777X will be the first major jet to be certified since the role of software flaws in two fatal 737 MAX crashes prompted accusations of cozy relations between Boeing and the FAA."

The price to pay for such lobbying success? A lesson learned? Maybe not. (from Seattle Times link)

"For the Youth Liberation Front’s anonymous leaders, these protests are part of the revolution. They are resolutely anti-capitalist and anti-fascist, and express disdain for those who work for reform within what they view as a failing political system." ... "They have affiliates in Seattle and other U.S. cities, and have gained thousands of new social media followers as they launched into promoting protests over the May 25 police killing of George Floyd." ... "The Youth Liberation Front, from early on, has favored secrecy. The group’s leadership appears to embrace the radical Northwest legacy of the “black bloc” whose acts of vandalism roiled the 1999 Seattle protests during a meeting of the World Trade Organization."

A final quotation from Tooze to finish off:

"As Beijing coolly points out when faced with complaints from the Americans, no one forces Boeing, GE or GM to invest in the Chinese market: they do it for profit."... "As Trump’s trade warriors point out, the range of instruments that China deploys in industrial competition makes a nonsense of trade policy as defined by the WTO." ... "And it was the US elite that pushed for China to be admitted to the WTO."

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 26 2020 23:36 utc | 41

Posted by: jayc | Jul 26 2020 20:05 utc | 26 Leonard Peltier

I met Peltier at Leavenworth Penitentiary back in the '90s. We were both working in the Unicore Federal Prison Industries factory there making furniture for government offices. He asked me about establishing a Web site once he knew I was into computers. There were Web sites devoted to him already, but he was asking how he could go about making one from inside. Couldn't tell him much at that point.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:39 utc | 42

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:18 utc | 40

Ionic isn't it? American can do whatever, whenever to whoever she believe even dictators, regimes elsewhere can't. For years we were trained to believe and trust our leaders, their gods, and even doing it now while our leader sending fully armed troops to destroy the protester which she preaches so lovingly...

Hack if you or any MoA believe in god, don't you think start praying now? A simple pray - jesus please help and protects us. Please dun attacked me for suggesting something most peace loving American would want for himself and others.

Posted by: JC | Jul 26 2020 23:45 utc | 43

My comment stands. Implicit in all the commentary is that the leaders of Russia and China are both NICE, i.e., not crazy or belligerent like the US under Trump... and Obama. My point is that under an authoritarian system whether it be capitalist or communist there is no guarantee the next leaders will be indulgent towards the US and why should they? It is an isolated country that stands alone in the world with its archaic medieval French measurement system and a German-origin temperature scale that the Germans do not use today. It is an anti-intellectual country where stupidity is given equal or perhaps superior status to intelligence. It is a country where you can get a degree in Imbecile Studies a/k/a Feminist Studies. In short, why would the next leader of Russia or China tolerate the nonsense emanating from the US?

Posted by: Albertde | Jul 26 2020 23:47 utc | 44

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2020 22:06 utc | 37 The tragedies in 1910s and 1930s must not be repeated again."

Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I fully expect them to be repeated. The only question is whether they will escalate to nuclear war. Because in that case, I need to be elsewhere.

"Preppers" are usually training to be either refugees or fugitives, whereas one needs to train to be either a "survivor" or an "operator." A "survivor" is defined as someone who isn't there where and when the SHTF - or in the case of unpredictable - in terms of timing - disasters, has a plan to deal with it anyway. So if there's going to be a nuclear war, I need to be gone from San Francisco, which will be doomed.

Anyone who thinks there will be a nuclear war between the US and either China or Russia needs to be planning to move out of the country (or build a bunker with several years worth of food someplace where there won't be much fallout - moving is likely easier.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:50 utc | 45

Posted by: JC | Jul 26 2020 23:45 utc | 46 Hack if you or any MoA believe in god, don't you think start praying now?

Fortunately I'm a rabid atheist. I prefer to take more concrete steps to protect myself. Unfortunately for the rest of the country, most Americans are subject to one or more religious fanaticisms which require them to be hostile to anyone outside their faith, ethnicity or country or form of state. In fact, belief in the state is one of those religious fanaticisms. This is why we're at where we're at.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:53 utc | 46

Richard Steven Hack | Jul 26 2020 23:34 utc | 43

says: Anarchy '*is* "the distribution of authority to all levels"'

Nice try! According to Miriam Webster Anarchy is: 'absence or denial of any authority'.

White is black, and black is white. You must be a neo-liberal.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 26 2020 23:55 utc | 47

@34 Passer By

"My theory is that the US has gotten crazily anti-China in the last months precisely because it realised that China gained from the Covid crisis in relative terms, and the US weakened itself, wich caused renewed fears of the decline of the US among US elites, which then causes massive triggering and hysteria among them"

I think it is because of the recent victories against Huawei via blackballing it from 5g in ~50% of the world's GDP and cutting off their 7nm chip supply, as well as bad publicity re: Hong Kong, Pompeo smells blood in the water and wants to go for the "kill". Whatever that means in his view. Perhaps a massive sanctions attack on their tech sector, which I believe is still heavily dependent on IP and components from entities within the grasp of US sanctions. The frustrating part is the US was losing its battle against Huawei until Hong Kong heated up, and I think that the extradition bill was, in hindsight, a massive error that played into US hands, although my knowledge of the details of it is rather thin so feel free to flame me.

Note how many concessions US allies were able to extract for folding to US pressure on 5G and spending billions of $ each to replace Huawei gear. Nothing. Trump just had to snap is fingers. That sadly speaks volumes about the power dynamics in the world today.

Posted by: Schmoe | Jul 27 2020 0:11 utc | 48

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 26 2020 23:55 utc | 50 Nice try! According to Miriam Webster Anarchy is: 'absence or denial of any authority'.
White is black, and black is white.

"Any authority" except personal authority. Although I suppose one could argue that "authority" implies over another person. However, even there, an individualist anarchist would reply that he is willing to have authority over another person - just not allowing any person to have authority over him.

"You must be a neo-liberal."

Nice try! I have zero to do with "neo-liberalism" - and neither does any other individualist anarchist.

It's people like you who have an obsession with "authority". Which is why you can't comprehend an existence without it. That could be considered the essence of "neo-liberalism."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 0:26 utc | 49

Posted by: Schmoe | Jul 27 2020 0:11 utc | 52

"I think it is because of the recent victories against Huawei via blackballing it from 5g in ~50% of the world's GDP and cutting off their 7nm chip supply,"

Reading the tea leaves... (just kidding) My hunches, Huawei is finished. Meng Wanzhou will be extradited to the USA and faces the same music as Julian Assanga. Even with additional evidences (CGTN special video) US is colluding with HSBC to destroy China and Huawei as one of its victim.

The game is up for China. China needs to face the consequences, removes HSBC, Cathay Pacific (Swire) and all the families of Jardines in HK and China. This will sink UK once and for all one of the Mother of all Drugs trafficking. Recent evidence prompt HSBC closing a branch in Shenzhen and more expected since Mainlanders are pretty nationalism unlike it counterparts in HKie.

Posted by: JC | Jul 27 2020 0:44 utc | 50

Richard Steven Hack 48

If you think your dear leaders are crazy, you should check out the Indians and their media. I think the plan is for India to start a war (Chinese aggression of course) then slobbering uncle Joe comes to the rescue with a naval blockade. The pentagons stink tank think China will concede if enough pressure comes on, but of course China wont. After that it's anything goes.
I doubt Trump will survive the color revolution though it might kick off before he is gone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2020 0:47 utc | 51

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2020 0:47 utc | 55

Haven't been interested in India at all except momentarily when they had that gang fight at the border.

Your scenario is as good as any other. Love to see the US try a naval blockade of China. They couldn't even do one with Iran successfully if they ever try (the business in the '80s - well, it's no longer the '80s.). But against China that would lead quite quickly to a major sea war (at least), with the US losing badly given their logistical extension. And then again we're back to nuclear war.

Someone suggested Biden would stop Trump's trade war, to the benefit of the elites based on the speculation that China's elites are the same as the Western elites. I agree that all rulers see themselves as elites, but I view it as not proven that they're all the *same economic* elites. So I'm not convinced Biden will stop the trade war. I suspect there are a lot of Western elites that view Chinese elites are *not* the same. That's kind of how elites work internally. They may all be against the rest of us, but they're not all in favor of each other.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 1:04 utc | 52

My selected quote from a review of conflict with China, "Whose century?" - Adam Tooze / LRB (long read)
Is the trade war really about trade? That might have been plausible a few years back, but today’s tensions go far beyond economic issues. Even in the trade arena, what dominates the discussion at present isn’t soy beans or blue-collar industrial jobs, but microchips, cloud computing, 5G and intelligence gathering by way of TikTok. What is at stake is technological leadership and national security.
Factory workers (and factories) plus farmers are the engines of economy in small towns and rural area. If paid historically reasonable wages and able to survive on smaller farms, they need construction, services and supplies, they can afford houses, sports, eating out, so there is widely spread multiplier of jobs and wealth. If well-being of the people is the chief goal, tariffs and deals protecting jobs and markets should be paramount.

By the way of contrast, intellectual property, freedom of "technology giants" like Facebook and Google from taxation etc. make a difference only to the bottom line of companies that stash profits in various tax heaven, recycling some for very lavish consumption that offers rather sparse trickle down, as they need maids, butlers, gardeners and various craftsmen, that add up to a very skimpy multiplier effect. Actually, in years of prosperity these wealthy people have a lot of trouble, wages and fees required for maids etc. may go sharply up, and so go the prices of collectibles etc., so some boom and bust makes their lives easier.

In past years, energetic negotiations about "trade deals" delivered successes on intellectual property and financial services rentier income for the country richest, including a huge segment who recycled the loot in their native countries to become extremely rich international citizens. In the same time, the vacuum pump removing decent jobs from the country operated with few hickups.

Needless to say, picking fights when there is a room for productive compromise only leads to profits in MIC that are promptly removed from the economy and recycled in this maids and butlers fashion.

That would be my biased summary of the long and highly learned article.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 27 2020 1:17 utc | 53

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2020 0:47 utc | 55

"uncle Joe comes to the rescue with a naval blockade. The pentagons stink tank think China will concede if enough pressure comes on, but of course China wont. After that it's anything goes."

Did you know China busy quietly building two more aircraft carriers. Recent Spudnik via SCMP photos of the two carriers. They are larger with electromagnetic launching systems. Expected to lunch mid 2021 at super speed. They're planning to build compact aircraft carrier similar to Russia's Mistral warship (call it what you want even helicopters and troop deployment crafts) now planning aircraft similar to F35 navy version. I'm not saying they are even close to the US but shows you they're doing something about it.

Peter, I started off my careers in aviation or in the 60s American slang grease monkey - one who really serious in aircraft engine. I can tell you all about GE engines how they first started with PW (Pratt & Whitney) being the leaders... would you believe me I had even worked on de Havilland's Tiger Moth? Ended my aviation careers being a turbine engineer...

Posted by: JC | Jul 27 2020 1:21 utc | 54


The link to the LRB report by Adam Tooze is excellent and I recommend it to all barflies. The books reviewed seem like a reasonable reference list. This report revises the past decades post the Kissinger inspired opening to China which was met by a Chinese inspired absorption of US enterprise :)) and millions were lifted out of poverty WITHOUT being colonised. Finally China paid back for the demeaning invasions over centuries.

Here is a take away to demonstrate why Biden will continue the mendacity and why he is a sock puppet for Hillary Clinton:

On the American side the reassessment of US-China relations began nearly ten years ago, during Obama’s first term, when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. Clinton had taken a close interest in Chinese affairs as far back as the 1990s, when she was first lady. In 2011, as secretary of state, she initiated the pivot to Asia of the navy’s carrier groups, the most conspicuous weapons in the US strategic arsenal. The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), an obscure trade pact in which America had until then shown little interest, was refashioned as a tool for containing China. If Clinton had been elected president in 2016, the relationship with China would doubtless have been at the heart of her foreign policy. She would have personified continuity in the US position,...

Any endorsement of Biden is the revelation of the class traitors that infest the DNC and GOP.

This long read is littered with take-away quotes.

Good one b.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 27 2020 1:30 utc | 55

PeterAU1 @ 55

"If you think your dear leaders are crazy, you should check out the Indians and their media." Are there any news sources you could point others to as indicative of the insanity? Indian politicians sound even worse that US politicians, but maybe that is in part a reflection of their media.

Posted by: Schmoe | Jul 27 2020 1:48 utc | 56

Lots of good comments here I would love to engage with, but Peter Green, as noted, is dead.

He was a grown-up man making genius music when I was still an uncut youth who could only groove to it, so I guess he had a good run in terms of age.

His family said he died peacefully at home - bon voyage, Mr. Green. Maestro.

The definitive Peter Green door-opening gift to the sixties to me was Supernatural:

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 27 2020 2:10 utc | 57

How Boeing (and GE, McDonald-Douglas) went down: remove the tech guys from the top of a high tech company and put accountants in charge with short term stock value as no.1. Self inflicted wounds.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 27 2020 2:16 utc | 58

Good on you to label the current internal conflict in the US a civil war: I called it a cold civil war here earlier.

It was started by US deep state itself: fighting an elected US president with fake memes and through biased MSM.

In China the CCP has a much stronger- formalized grip on whole society, so the chance of a cold Chinese civil war is less likely. That grip even reaches Western fan boys here: in their (understandable) hate for Uncle Sam they embrace apparent opponent Uncle Xi. They forget that Deep States are made of the same cloth: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolute amongst present humans.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 27 2020 2:32 utc | 59

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 27 2020 1:57 utc | 61 The trade war will not sustain because it helped no one.

Can't disagree with that. I'm still not sure there isn't some value for the elites in maintaining hostility towards China. There's always the military-industrial-national-security complex and the banks who finance those hundreds of billions. As I say, the elites make their money in different places. Some might profit from China, some might think they profit from conflict with China (and Russia...and Iran...and North Korea...and...) - short of nuclear war, of course.

Without hard intelligence on "who" and "how much" and "what's someone's specific opinion", it's mostly speculation. We know who's making the money in the MICNS-complex. I'm not sure who's making what on Wall Street from China. The recent fictional TV show "Devils" showed that someone undoubtedly is - the question is how much does any particular segment influence what specific US policy.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 2:44 utc | 60


The Galwin valley incident is the best place to look. The Generals and higher military were telling media and politicians that China had invaded India. Modi is Hindutva but in the end it seemed it was he alone that pulled the plug on an attack on China in the area. Perhaps he decided he couldn't count on the Americans or whatever but he pulled out. That may not always work. With their defense agreements, US has wormed its way into India.
A lot of people believe the Pentagon would prevent US going to war with Russia or China, but a different story in India where the military are keen on war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2020 2:51 utc | 61

The Chinese perfected inscrutability. It drives the Americans mad. But "crisis' is the U. S.'s modus operandum. Crisis is the essential juice of the American psyche and that is a big problem for the rest of the world. Trump stated before his presidency that his wars would be about tariffs. There will be no New kinetic foreign war during his presidency. There hasn't been and there won't be. On the domestic front however, well.....we await developments. The personage of Trump has been demonised in the manner of "dictators" of "shithole countries" that have been given the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski treatment. The American people need to note this. But that is unlikely when the average U. S. citizen's mind is controlled by U. S. media.
Dear Karlof1:
You put so much energy into your research and expositions, and readers are thankful.
But may I enquire whether you intend casting a vote for the Democrats, who seem to be rascist towards Slavs as well as Chinese? I know it won't be for Trump.
By the way, I think Diana Johnstone is the best American geo-political theorist alive today. And have you watched Jimmy Dore lately? My heart goes out to that man. Want a "hero"? I give you Jimmy Dore. Very courageous.

Posted by: Australian lady | Jul 27 2020 2:53 utc | 62

i watch jimmy dore regularly. i'm not sure how long he will keep doing the show, but i will watch as long as he keeps doing it.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2020 2:55 utc | 63

presidents have been undermined by various factions of the state for a long, long time, certainly before trump. probably as long ago as near the start with hamilton trying to undermine jefferson.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 27 2020 2:59 utc | 64

Posted by: JC | Jul 27 2020 1:21 utc | 58 Did you know China busy quietly building two more aircraft carriers.

And a lot more. Read someplace a while back that those carriers are being built at two shipyards in China. And one of those shipyards is also building *nine* destroyers and a couple other craft. The US is planning to build ten ships a year. China launched 24 in 2019 alone. The US has *four* "public" shipyards. China has at least 20 or more under the control of two major shipbuilding concerns. That's *not* including all the *commercial* stuff.

From an article in Asia Times:

According to, by 2030, China’s Navy will have over 530 ships while the US might have 300-330 ships. The US will increase ships only if they lengthen the lives of older ships and get some additional budget for new shipbuilding and for more naval personnel.

China should have five to six carriers in service by 2030 and two to three could have the size, aircraft capacity and launch systems to compete with 11 US aircraft carriers, the report said.

So the US might be thinking that waiting another ten or twenty years for war isn't going to work out, since China has the industrial capacity to out-build the US fleet and be significantly larger by 2050. Add to that the advancement of "carrier-killer" missiles and things don't look good for the US flexing its muscles in the China Sea (called "the China Sea" for a reason.)

OTOH, the US could think that causing a Cold War with China will result in the US military-industrial complex - including shipbuilding - getting a big boost in the arm from taxpayer dollars to pay for a massive ramp-up of naval building to go along with the nuke building, aircraft building (look at how much was spent on the F-35 boondoggle) and other expensive toys.

It's all about the money. Although power does come into play at some point. China knows the US is a threat to the world and needs to be rolled back. Unfortunately, the only way to do that is to spend a lot on equivalent arms. Unfortunate because, like the US, it detracts from spending that money on the Chinese people's needs. Without US imperialism, that wouldn't be necessary.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 3:14 utc | 65

@66 Peter AU1

Thanks. I will track down some editorials or articles.

"A lot of people believe the Pentagon would prevent US going to war with Russia or China, but a different story in India where the military are keen on war." In recent times the military has been a moderating influence in the US (other than the Neocons in Wolfowitz's office), but the current military leadership is supposedly fine with a war on Iran. The US military was however much more gung-ho in the 1960s.

Also that is oddly the reverse of Pakistan where when civilians are in charge they seem to want a war with India, but the military is a little realistic. The book "Electing to Fight - Why Emerging Democracies Go to war" had a good discussion of Pakistan's political dynamics re: militarism. I also want to mention that is by far the best book I have ever read about politics or governance.

One other comment is in my +/- 50 years,I have never seen the US media so totally out of its mind as the past five years. I'm too young to know the media's body language leading up to the Vietnam war, but even in the 1980's there was news coverage critical of the contras and a real debate about that. That said, I do not recall any criticism of the Marine "peacekeepers" in Beirut, but I might have been too young to notice. I fret what the damage done to Huawei and Tik-Tok could mean for the flow of information and commentary, more so in second world countries. Hopefully I am overreacting and Huawei will be fine in second world countries.

Posted by: Schmoe | Jul 27 2020 3:30 utc | 66

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 27 2020 3:39 utc | 72

Well, as I say, it's a theory. We'll see.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 4:15 utc | 67

Passer by @Jul26 21:49 #34

Thanks for your kind words. It's always a little disconcerting when one sees something clearly yet no one, or very few, seem to 'get it'.

Why do you think that the US Empire decline and loss of power is still unclear?

I'm not saying USA isn't in decline. But most of that is relative (as you point out).

The problem is that the decline is also accelerating as USA/West is destroyed from within by oligarchs and special interests. Examples: the "intelligence failure" of Russian secret development of hyper-sonic missiles - one of a series of failures as "intelligence" is used as a plaything of the neocons; massive misallocation of resources via crony capitalism (bubble economics, disaster economics, MIC protection racket, etc.).

In addition, I'm not saying that USA power-elite is brilliant either. They antagonized Russia with their attempt to force the capitulation of Russia via "shock therapy". And USA was slow to act against China because so many elites have a vested interest in doing business with China. Now they are playing catch-up.

My theory is that the US has gotten crazily anti-China in the last months precisely because it realized that China gained from the Covid-19 crisis in relative terms, and the US weakened itself, which caused renewed fears of the decline of the US among US elites, which then causes massive triggering and hysteria among them.

IMO to say that China "gained" relative to US/UK is not accurate.

USA is brazenly using Covid-19 to turn the public against China. Trump Administration have made a series of own-goals that are difficult to explain except as deliberately allowing the virus to spread and kill so as to further their geo-political and neoliberal agenda (the virus spread is a boondoggle for Big Pharma).

Empires are not shy about doing such things when they believe that it's in their interest to do so. When England was an Empire, it allowed millions to die via famine.

Note that US/UK leaders don't moan about Chinese "success" in fighting the virus, they instead find ways to heap blame on China. They say China deliberately seeded the virus in the West and they also say that China is lying about it's Covid-19 numbers.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 27 2020 4:17 utc | 68

Re the media. Its worth looking up Robert Parry's articles 'Perception Management' based on the Reagan papers. Robert Parry was one of the old time investigative journalists of the Vietnam Era. Guardian was the last to taken over. It has only produced propaganda since Greenwald and the Snowden stuff so I guess more than their hard drives were drilled, but prior to that, genuine investigative articles could be found there at times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2020 4:29 utc | 69

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 3:14 utc | 70

Sure, starting an arms spending race is so going to work when the opponent isn't crippled by a Military Incompetence-Greed Complex at square one.

Can you imagine just how many literal and figurative heads would roll in China if they spent $24 billion over 30+ years on a Bradley IFV successor and got exactly nothing, let alone the $1 trillion in the F-35 fiasco? Or a $8 billion "stealth" littoral combat ship that would be spotted by a zillion fishing vessels?

Posted by: J W | Jul 27 2020 4:30 utc | 70

Jackrabbit 74

Along with corruption, a lot of what we are seeing in the US is plain old incompetence which goes hand in hand with corruption.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2020 4:42 utc | 71

donkeytale POV: nothing to see here!

Yet USA and China have just forced each others Consulates to close and we're still waiting for the next shoe to drop. And USA has also announced that they will not recognize China's claim to the South China Sea.

Furthermore, Trump accuses Beijing of deliberately spreading nCov-19 to the West, killing hundreds of thousands of citizens (and more dying everyday) and wrecking USA and other economies. (Trump proclaims that before the "China virus" the USA economy was nearly perfect.) Countries have gone to war for less.

And now Pompeo has made a major policy speech that bashes China as a "Frankenstein" that spys on USA and others and abuses it's the good people of Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and elsewhere, supports dictators in Iran and North Korea, and whose Imperial ambitions are a threat to all nations.

Just a commercial dispute? No.

Why does donkey pretend that commercial interests of US and China elites are driving the bus when Chimerica commercial interests are clearly disadvantaged by the turmoil in relations?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 27 2020 4:55 utc | 72

Re Karlofi @22
Thanks for the housing stats, but you were wrong when you said 28 million households would be evicted, as according to the source it was 28 million people (you multiplied times 4).

Posted by: Perimetr | Jul 27 2020 4:56 utc | 73

The hypothesis being ventilated here that Biden would end the trade war with China doesn't make much sense to me: after all, it was Obama - with Hillary Clinton (as she revealed some years later) - who started the "Pivot to Asia".

The USA's foreign policy is historically consistent. There's no reason to think domestic politics interfere with them.

The enigma can be solved with a much more elegant solution: the USA can't fight all of its enemies and win at the same time anymore, so it has to begin to choose which to fight first. In this case, Russia or China.

As of the "Second Civil War" ("Cold Civil War"), the explanation is also very simple and elegant: the USA, contrary to the USSR, is declining too slowly ("in slow motion"). So slowly that the American people thinks it can give itself the luxury to experiment with different POTUSes (Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump... Biden?) and fight a civil war between themselves in time to recover and then fight and defeat its external enemies (Russia and China) and thus retain its hegemonical position. Long story short: the Americans, albeit in decline and well aware of the fact, still think they have time.

Posted by: vk | Jul 27 2020 5:00 utc | 74

Trump Needs a Plan for Israel’s Confrontation With Iran

Tehran and Moscow are becoming the arbiters of the Middle East — and Israel’s relationship with both is growing increasingly tense.

The ongoing debate among experts as to whether Washington has a strategy for dealing with the Syrian civil war in the wake of missile strikes by U.S., British, and French forces on alleged Syrian chemical weapons facilities masks a far more urgent strategic need: a coherent approach to the increasingly volatile confrontation between Israel and Iran. Israel’s downing of an armed drone, its loss of an F-16 fighter jet — the first such loss in years — and its strike on Iranian targets in Syria are only part of the challenge that confronts the United States in particular.

The Israeli-Russian relationship is becoming increasingly tense. The possibility that Iran might establish one or more bases in Syria, as Russia already has done, poses as much of a threat to Jordan as it does to Israel. And the possibility that Israel might face a three-front war with Hamas and Hezbollah, both of which receive Iranian support, and Syrian-based Iranian forces could well result in the United States being called in to Israel’s rescue, as it was during the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

Posted by: Mao | Jul 27 2020 5:24 utc | 75

Kanye West Exposes Dark Truths About Kardashians, Tries to Break Away From Them

In a now-deleted Twitter rant, Kanye said that the Kardashians were trying to “lock him up with doctors” and that he’s been trying to get a divorce for years. Furthermore, several tweets allude to Hollywood’s darkest secret: MKULTRA.

Posted by: Mao | Jul 27 2020 5:56 utc | 76

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 27 2020 4:17 utc | 74 It's always a little disconcerting when one sees something clearly yet no one, or very few, seem to 'get it'.

No shit. LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 6:02 utc | 77

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 27 2020 4:55 utc | 78 Why does donkey pretend that commercial interests of US and China elites are driving the bus

I'll let you two fight that one out. As I told donkey, I'm not convinced either way.

One of the reasons some people listen to Noam Chomsky is he's an academic. He tends to produce documents where there are quotes from official documents, footnotes, and the like. Facts and figures. As I suggested to donkey, what tends to convince me is not just a logical argument, but one that points to facts and figures to buttress the argument: who stands to profit by how much in what industry and who's said what in relation to that. Who In Congress or a think tank is getting paid off? And what is the actual history of that up to now. In short, actual intelligence. Without that, it tends to be speculation. Going beyond that speculation to make prognostications about what's going to happen in a decade, two or five - beyond the generic "yeah, it's gonna get worse" - is really reaching.

Then there's always the question of whether *anything* is a binary either-or, at least in terms of "clashes of civilization" or clashes of states or clashes of elites. As I suggested to him, there are multiple players and probably multiple intentions.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 6:15 utc | 78

Latest example of a US high tech MNC shooting itself in the foot(d): Intel
Same MO: put some MBAs in charge of a high tech operation for stock price gain.

Many Western low tech hardware enterprises were let off to China by their investor driven CEOs after 2001 searching for cheap labor and least planning restrictions. Wallmart, Amazon and Apple profited.

Other Western hardware companies went down due to Chinese (government subsidized) price dumping, killing global competition: see steel & aluminum industry.

Western software MNCs were simply forbidden in China: Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. and replaced by Chinese clones.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 27 2020 6:17 utc | 79

Posted by: Perimetr | Jul 27 2020 4:56 utc | 79 as according to the source it was 28 million people (you multiplied times 4).

Which, as I mentioned, the multiplicand should 2.5. So 2.5 times 28 million or 70 million.

OTOH, as Don Rickles used to say, "What, that's better?" :-)

According to a 2019 Guardian piece, "In the US, an estimated 2.3 million Americans were evicted from their home in 2016, the latest year of available data..."
So, yeah, 70 million - even ten percent of that or 7 million - is not a good number.

Wikipedia had this to say:

An analysis by the Aspen Institute indicated between 19-23 million, or 1 in 5 renters, are at risk for eviction by the end of September, 2020;[7] a separate July 2020 analysis projects 16 million households unable to pay rent and at risk of eviction, with a potential 11 million eviction filings in the next four months.[8]

In response, the federal CARES Act included an eviction moratorium for federally-backed rental properties; however, this expired on July 24,[9] and no enforcement mechanism was provided.[10] States and cities also passed a variety of temporary eviction moratoriums.[11][12][13] As these moratoriums expire over the course of 2020, there were fears of a massive wave of evictions; by mid-June 2020, over 40% of states offered renters no protections.[14]

In my case, I don't need to worry about eviction as long as I don't do something stupid. OTOH, I am concerned that the upcoming Greater Recession or Depression might somehow cause my supported housing organization to go under when the economy does. I'm working on plans to deal with that if it happens. But I don't expect it before next year. I'm damn glad I don't own a home with a mortgage or have to pay $2-3K/month for an apartment while unemployed.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 6:30 utc | 80

August Takala @AugustTakala

Fox cuts away from the White House briefing after Kayleigh McEnany shows video of riots taking place in Portland:

"We were not expecting that video. Our management here at Fox News has decided we will pull away from that at this time."

Posted by: Mao | Jul 27 2020 6:44 utc | 81

Posted by: vk | Jul 27 2020 5:00 utc | 80 The USA's foreign policy is historically consistent. There's no reason to think domestic politics interfere with them.

Well, yes and no, in my view. Overall, across the decades, I'd agree it's consistent: American comes first, everyone else can go to hell (and the US will help you to do so if you don't kowtow to the US). But I can also see domestic politics getting involved under specific circumstances. Or perhaps it would be more precise to say that certain specific policies might go up or down depending on who's in charge of Congress or who's President at any given moment.

"The enigma can be solved with a much more elegant solution: the USA can't fight all of its enemies and win at the same time anymore, so it has to begin to choose which to fight first. In this case, Russia or China."

I'm not even sure that's true. The US still seems to have time for Iran. North Korea has gone on the back burner as compared to previous years, but it's still bubbling. They're still promoting all the Russia hate the MSM can print. The neocons have a desire to rule the world (and insure no one else, as the PNAC documents said, even gains *regional* influence), so I don't think any of them care where the trouble starts or how.

"the American people"

It's not the people. It's the neocons, the elites, the corporations, the banks, etc., etc. They haven't fought a war against anyone capable of fighting back, nor have *any* of them been subjected to any personal losses as a result, for so long that they don't think there is any real risk of taking on people like Iran, North Korea, China and Russia. To the elites, those countries are all "Third World", i.e., not the Five Eyes or the UK or the EU. And unless and until there is a nuclear war, none of these people stand to lose a dime or suffer any personal loss. They might see their stock go down. Big deal - they figure they can engineer it to go up again.

I quoted a guy from over at LinkedIn here some time back who pointed that the elites have some *24 trillion* in *cash*. *Cash* - not stocks, bonds, or whatever. And also not counting their houses, yachts, cars, etc. He pointed out that they could give away *12 trillion* and *still* have the same amount still in their possession. And their stocks, bonds, mansions, yachts, etc.

People like that simply don't concern themselves over a dip in the stock market. They've already shorted that stock - they'll make money in the Great Depression - which most people here have already claimed they engineered. They'll also find a way to profit from a trade war. And short of a nuclear war, they'll find a way to profit from any conventional war. None of these people care how many US soldiers die, or foreign civilians die, or how much the US taxpayer has to pay for those wars, or even how well or badly most US business does as a result.

As someone in a novel said once, "When you've got all the money, everyone else is for sale."

Some of these people probably even think they can profit from a nuclear war. How many of them really understand the effects of a nuclear war? No one other than them knows for sure who they are or what they think.

I'm not confident any of these people really know what's going on. They only know how to take advantage of it. But when the SHTF we'll all go down with them. Except some of them actually *do* have a bunker with years of food stashed away. Assuming those bunkers are well hidden, they might well survive.

Will you? Will I? We can speculate here on whether some people do or do not "want" war. The prudent thing from our personal standpoint is to assume they do. You don't want to be wrong about that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 6:55 utc | 82

For laughs...I wasn't making that up.

Billionaire bunkers: How the 1% are preparing for the apocalypse

The elites intend to survive the stuff that will kill *you*. Such as a war between China and the US.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 7:03 utc | 83

This draws my attention to opioid and drugs addiction and that somehow they attract not only people from stressful conditions or harsh upbringing. Perhaps they are even most likely coming from normal middle or upper class family ? Why ?

Anyone can give their opinion about this ?

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 27 2020 7:23 utc | 84

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 7:03 utc | 89

Billionaire bunkers: How the 1% are preparing for the apocalypse

Douglas Rushkoff, July 2018:

Last year, I got invited to a super-deluxe private resort to deliver a keynote speech to what I assumed would be a hundred or so investment bankers. It was by far the largest fee I had ever been offered for a talk – about half my annual professor’s salary – all to deliver some insight on the subject of “the future of technology”.


After I arrived, I was ushered into what I thought was the green room. But instead of being wired with a microphone or taken to a stage, I just sat there at a plain round table as my audience was brought to me: five super-wealthy guys – yes, all men – from the upper echelon of the hedge fund world. After a bit of small talk, I realized they had no interest in the information I had prepared about the future of technology. They had come with questions of their own.

They started out innocuously enough. Ethereum or bitcoin? Is quantum computing a real thing? Slowly but surely, however, they edged into their real topics of concern.

Which region will be less affected by the coming climate crisis: New Zealand or Alaska? Is Google really building Ray Kurzweil a home for his brain, and will his consciousness live through the transition, or will it die and be reborn as a whole new one? Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?”

The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr Robot hack that takes everything down.

This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour.

Posted by: Mao | Jul 27 2020 8:11 utc | 85

1,000 Phrases That Incorrectly Trigger Alexa, Siri, and Google Assistant to Start Listening and Recording

Posted by: Mao | Jul 27 2020 8:40 utc | 86

CHINA LRB and the Adam Tooze review

Following an extensive survey of the books under review Adam Tooze misses the context of contemporary CCP strategy and the profound history that informs its design and response mechanisms.

I gather Tooze is unfamiliar with David Graeber and his extensive historical enquiry into debt, money etc. (Even as Graeber is just down the road at Goldsmiths College London. Tooze entirely misses the recent practices that overtly incorporate the chinese sages in the CCP modern strategy. I am recently new to this but it has been publicly underway since at least 2014 and undoubtedly the subject of intense study within China well before that. The USA sabre rattling has been futilely practiced well back into the late 90’s.

Consider this:

We have to take seriously the CCP’s sense of mission. We should not comfort ourselves with the thought that because nationalism is the main mode of Chinese politics today, Xi’s administration is nothing more than a nationalist regime. China under the control of the CCP is, indeed, involved in a gigantic and novel social and political experiment enrolling one-sixth of humanity, a historic project that dwarfs that of democratic capitalism in the North Atlantic.

Novel social and political experiment” Well I guess it is only a century since the Russian revolution and the Communist Manifesto was published in 1848 and Confucious was sowing the wisdom from about 530 BCE.

In the closing paragraph Tooze blithely skirts around the gorilla in the china shop, entirely fails to critique predatory capitalism as any form of maleficent force on the planet and goes tangent to reality with this:

It is not a matter, as in the 1970s, of defusing a nuclear stand-off or, as before 1914, a geoeconomic rivalry of the kind analysed by Hobson. While we must do both these things, the novel challenge we face is how to disarm economic growth as a planetary threat.

Not crude grasping concentration of wealth and the impoverishment of billions of humans at the expense of the planet – but merely economic growth. I guess it fits the good manners of the LRB and its current reactionary rightist position and this review will not alarm the Integrity Initiative or Institute for Statecraft chaps.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 27 2020 9:14 utc | 87

US plan for, and extra funding for China siege

Here in oz, this clown thinks we've got China over a barrel because they by iron ore. We are joining the US to try and take China down, so if we succeed, China will have no use for it as oz iron ore is about equivilent to the amount of steel China exports.

I guess that is why we join yankistan's 'freedom of navigation' exercises - to ensure China cannot block our shipments of iron ore to them.

Just call us Ukraine 2.0

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2020 9:46 utc | 88

Jeremy Corbyn is going to be sued and here is his crowd funding for legal expenses

Posted by: Mathias Alexander | Jul 27 2020 10:00 utc | 89

Grieved @ 62

yes Grieved, we couldn't pay homage to Peter without mentioning 'The Supernatural'...

a stunningly brilliant exercise in visionary blues playing, drenched in feedback and reverb, hauntingly beautiful.


Posted by: john | Jul 27 2020 10:12 utc | 90

Lü Xiang, ."The world must not be hijacked by a group of political madmen. The tragedies in 1910s and 1930s must not be repeated again." e.. Whether on domestic epidemic control or international cooperation, the US has done almost nothing right compared to China's efforts to assist others and its successful control measures for domestic outbreaks. The USA is not afraid of Chinese defense its afraid of Chinese development.. karlof1 @17<=yes, I think the USA is more afraid of domestic development in America than Chinese Development but Wall Street will have a kitten should China start to Compete with American companies doing business in China.

Competitive industries operating in America would upset the import trade global USA monopoly powered corporations developed when they left America and began producing in China goods to sell back to America. Wall Street is more Afraid of Americans than any other on this earth, and Wall Street controls the powers to be at the USA.

the problem for the center-left in the First World is not that China is doing unfair competition with low wages, but the exact opposite of that: it is consuming more than ever, its wages are higher than ever (already double of the Brazilian wage, for example) and is more prosperous than ever. This made the middle classes in the First World less relevant, and thus poorer, as given the laws of motion of capitalism. vK @ 18. <==yes getting closer to an accurate definition of the problem.

the transnational elites seized control of U.S. politics in 1980, with the election of the puppet Reagan, and have transformed the U.S. from a (somewhat imperfect) democracy into an oligarchic dictatorship. Actually that seizure of control happened in 1947, when Israel was recognized, and Truman claimed the USA owned all of the land under the sea and 20 miles inland.. that set of the geodesic survey and created in colleges and universities the means to drive industry out of America (environment) (continental Shelf act 1954, and EPA 1973). All along the transnational elites were strengthening their monopoly powers (copyrights, patents, and privatization of government assets.)..

centralizing of economies just means a disempowering of local control or those which actually know and have the experience to run an economy. NemesisCalling @ 28 <= yes, that is the reason the big fear that Americans will somehow in spite of the USA effort to prevent it, restart the industrial might that made domestic America great.

next T-Bear 33 hit the nail on the head with his it began just after WWII. <= took the words from my mouth.

Putin said "The world must not be hijacked by a group of political madmen. The tragedies in 1910s and 1930s must not be repeated again." by: Peter AU1 37 <=the mafia in charge today are not the politicians in charge of getting the oil from the Ottoman.

Killing Nasrallah ..would inflame Hezbollah and possibly result in actions that Washington and Israel could use to justify an attack on Lebanon. <= Wall street will give them permission without the need to wipe Nasrallah off.

donkeytale @ 51 says Amerikkkan finance is making money on the Chinese stock market and by investing in US stocks like Apple .. <=yes, that is why the USA has suppressed private domestic American efforts to recover our once great industrial and technological economy. at every juncture.. the USA will find a way to deny domestic america to develop a domestic source for providing goods and services to Americans.

next . Schmoe 52 karlof1 @17

JC @ 54 please explain more about this Meng Wanzhou will be extradited to the USA and faces the same music as Julian Assanga. Even with additional evidences (CGTN special video) US is colluding with HSBC to destroy China and Huawei as one of its victim. How does HSBC get to destroy China and Huawei? Maybe, more likely Trump will be exported to China to be used for Saw Wood.

Posted by: Jackrabbit @ 74 It's always a little disconcerting when one sees something clearly yet no one, or very few, seem to 'get it'. No shit. LOL by: Richard Steven Hack @ 83 <=Hack gets it but refuses the findings.

R Tooze "how to disarm economic growth as a planetary threat." by uncle tungsten 93 <=yes, economic growth
is actually a paper tiger <==.. the apex of the Ponzi is called virtual reality..

Posted by: snake | Jul 27 2020 10:17 utc | 91

Australian lady #67

Want a "hero"? I give you Jimmy Dore. Very courageous.

Thank you, I like Jimmy Dore and his entire team. He just keeps delivering withering critique of both sides.

I cant see how any sane person could vote democrazi or repugnant but then I have a remote perspective. I cant imagine how depressing it can be when immersed in the USA. Indoctrinated into powerlessness.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 27 2020 10:27 utc | 92

snake #97

Thank you and you sure are on fire right now.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 27 2020 10:35 utc | 93


Could not read it all, mixing antisemitism with the real problem of big pharma and for profit health system is not the way to fix it. When it got to blaming Bethune for being a "rojo" that was enough for me, Norman Bethune is a canadian hero who pioneered a mobile transfusion vehicle in Spain during our (un)civil war.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 27 2020 10:40 utc | 94

One would say Trump does not have precisely "The Mandate of Heaven", as he and his administration pretend....

On more earthly order of things, the "contractors" who built this wall should be sued...Private sector sucking as much as they can from a failing state Elon Musk, on whose behalf even coups d´etat are carried out...

Corporatocracy at its best....that is Fascism....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jul 27 2020 10:49 utc | 95

Posted by: Mao | Jul 27 2020 8:11 utc | 91 Is Google really building Ray Kurzweil a home for his brain, and will his consciousness live through the transition, or will it die and be reborn as a whole new one?

I'm slightly surprised that they were philosophically sophisticated enough to ask that question. Most Transhumanists aren't smart enough to ask that question. They all talk about "consciousness uploading" - unable to comprehend that any "uploaded" consciousness is merely a duplicate - while the original continues to die. The proper solution to that problem is a non-destructive, failure-tolerant, restartable *replacement* for the organic brain. You are your continuity in space-time. Any separation from that is a duplication and continues to diverge from the original the further in space-time it gets. That is most definitely *not* "immortality" as I see it.

But it goes to show what I said. The elites are indeed intending to survive whatever happens - and they have the wherewithal to figure out how. As am I. Which is why I intend to take as much of their money and resources as I can manage and divert as much of the rest as I can to the development of the tech to enable the same for me.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 27 2020 11:07 utc | 96

re Hizbullah, Nasrallah has known for years that he was targetted. It's nothing new, and he's always protected himself.

That wasn't true of Qassem Suleimani. I wouldn't have said he was at risk, and indeed it seems the assassination was a recent change of US policy (and not a very bright one).

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 27 2020 11:08 utc | 97

Scott Henderson?
Locally, George Freeman, Bobby Broom, Andy Brown, Buddy Guy, Fareed Haque, Goran Ivanovic, Andreas Kapsalis and half the alphabet still available. Just guitarists. George goes first by seniority, 93 and better than ever.

Posted by: and ldhippie | Jul 27 2020 11:22 utc | 98

RSH @ 102
My advice would be ———
Find a nice mrs Hack and have lots of little Hacks, your body is just vehicle for your family genetics traveling through the century’s. Do what you can then pass the baton on.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 27 2020 11:30 utc | 99

The Uighurs' suffering deserves targeted solutions, not anti-Chinese posturing

While Trump faces off against Xi, others must act to prevent genocide in Xinjiang and a new cold war

So, there's no genocide.

And this is funny:

After four relatively small terrorist events in 2013-14, a new party secretary in Xinjiang, Chen Quanguo, implemented hi-tech surveillance and “grid policing”, an intense deployment of checkpoints and police stations around areas that are deemed suspect. A new artificial intelligence system drew on a vast database of behavioural and bio-data to assess, sort and submit some 2 million people deemed likely to have “extremist thoughts” to imprisonment or arbitrary internment. Children of detainees were sent to orphanages and boarding schools to be brought up Chinese. Simultaneously, the CCP began suppressing Uighur births, while encouraging Han (China’s ethnic majority) to have more babies. Through coerced insertion of IUDs (80% of all IUD placements in China in 2018 were performed in Xinjiang, which has only 1.8% of the population), sterilisations and mass detentions, the CCP lowered population growth rates by as much as 84% in Uighur population areas between 2015 and 2018. The forceful transfer of children and measures intended to prevent births are two of the five elements of the UN definition of genocide.

Of of those "small terrorist attacks" killed almost 300 people. Good to know the author thinks Chinese lives are so disposable.

And China had a one-child policy for decades, of which the Uighurs were exempt. Did that mean China was self-genociding?

You know, sometimes, you can't just take a UN definition and take it literally.

But at least the author admits there's no extermination of prisoners, which means those are not concentration camps.


Time for US to build Asian amphibious alliance

US Navy should build a multinational amphibious task force with allies' attack ships and fighter planes to counter China

What happened to the mighty USN? Now the USA needs a military alliance to fight its enemies?


$600-per-week jobless benefit expires for 20 million US workers

The combative, aggressive and revolutionary WSWS has suddenly become a kitty, begging for some money from the USG to the working class.

And no word about the conflicts in Portland etc. on the site either. No talks about taking control and organizing the revolts happening around the USA. Just the same old social-democrat begging for more money and benefits.

What a difference of treatment. I remember that, when the protests in Hong Kong were full steam, there was always your daily article calling for "revolution" and toppling the CCP. There was no scarcity of beautiful words and mottos; it was the beginning of a new era, of "world revolution" against capitalism.

But that's the WSWS modus operandi: Trotskyism for China (and whatever the enemy of the West it is); toothless social-democratic trade-unionism for the West.

Posted by: vk | Jul 27 2020 12:48 utc | 100

next page »

The comments to this entry are closed.