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July 07, 2020

The Latest 'Russiagate' BOMBSHELL Took Just One Week To Be Exposed As Dud. Who Was Its Source?

Within just one week the recent attempt to revive 'Russiagate' has failed. It was an embarrassing failure for the media who pushed it. Their 'journalists' fell for obvious nonsense. They let their sources abuse them for political purposes. 

On June 27 the New York Times and the Washington Post published stories which claimed that Trump was informed about alleged Russian bounty payments to the Taliban for killing U.S. soldiers and did nothing about it:

A Russian military spy unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants to attack coalition forces in Afghanistan, including U.S. and British troops, in a striking escalation of the Kremlin’s hostility toward the United States, American intelligence has found.

The Russian operation, first reported by the New York Times, has generated an intense debate within the Trump administration about how best to respond to a troubling new tactic by a nation that most U.S. officials regard as a potential foe but that President Trump has frequently embraced as a friend, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive intelligence matter.

The story ran on page A-1 of the paper version of the NYT.

We immediately called it out as the obvious nonsense that it was:

Now the intelligence services make another claim that fits right into the above ['Russiagate'] scheme.

Reporters from the New York Times and the Washington Post were called up by unnamed 'officials' and told to write that Russia pays some Afghans to kill U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. There is zero evidence that the claim is true. The Taliban spokesman denies it. The numbers of U.S. soldiers killed in Afghanistan is minimal. The alleged sources of the claims are criminals the U.S. has taken as prisoners in Afghanistan.

All that nonsense is again used to press against Trump's wish for better relations with Russia. Imagine - Trump was told about these nonsensical claims and he did nothing about it!

Others likewise dumped on the shady reporting:

But that the story was obviously bullshit did not prevent Democrats in Congress, including 'Russiagate' swindler Adam Schiff, to bluster about it and to call for immediate briefings and new sanctions on Russia.

Just a day after it was published the main accusation, that Trump was briefed on the 'intelligence' died. The Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Advisor and the CIA publicly rejected the claim. Then the rest of the story started to crumble. On June 2, just one week after it was launched, the story was declared dead:

A memo produced in recent days by the office of the nation’s top intelligence official acknowledged that the C.I.A. and top counterterrorism officials have assessed that Russia appears to have offered bounties to kill American and coalition troops in Afghanistan, but emphasized uncertainties and gaps in evidence, according to three officials.
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The memo said that the C.I.A. and the National Counterterrorism Center had assessed with medium confidence — meaning credibly sourced and plausible, but falling short of near certainty — that a unit of the Russian military intelligence service, known as the G.R.U., offered the bounties, according to two of the officials briefed on its contents.

But other parts of the intelligence community — including the National Security Agency, which favors electronic surveillance intelligence — said they did not have information to support that conclusion at the same level, therefore expressing lower confidence in the conclusion, according to the two officials.

The NYT buried the above quoted dead corpse of the original story page A-19.

Last week we also learned that Adam Schiff, who had blamed Trump for not reacting to the fake 'intelligence' and who used the story to call for more Russia sanctions, had been briefed on the very same 'intelligence' months ago:

Top committee staff for Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, were briefed in February on intelligence about Russia offering the Taliban bounties in Afghanistan, but he took no action in response to the briefing, multiple intelligence sources familiar with the briefing told The Federalist.
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The revelation raises serious questions that Schiff is once again politicizing, and perhaps even deliberately misrepresenting, key data for partisan gain.

Asked by a reporter Tuesday if he had any knowledge of the Russia story prior to the New York Times report, Schiff said “I can’t comment on specifics.”

Schiff’s recent complaints that Trump took no action against Russia in response to rumors of Russian bounties are curious given that Schiff himself took no action after his top staff were briefed by intelligence officials. As chairman of the intelligence committee, Schiff had the authority to immediately brief the full committee and convene hearings on the matter. Schiff, however, did nothing.

As Schiff and his committee staff knew about the claims they may well have been the ones who pushed it to the reporters.

Consider that both papers, the NYT and the WaPo, attribute their knowledge to 'officials'. There is a code for anonymous sources in U.S. political reporting that is usual adhered to. Sources are described as 'White House officials', 'administration officials', 'Pentagon officials' or 'intelligence officials' when they are working for the government. Congressional sources are usually described as 'officials' without any additional attribute.

The original sources also made the false claim that Trump had been briefed on the 'intelligence'. Source in the White House or the CIA would have likely known that this had not been the case. Sources from Congress had no way of knowing that.

That makes it quite likely that Schiff and/or members of his staff were the original sources of the fake story. Consider that it was Schiff who for two years had claimed again and again that there was 'direct evidence" that the Trump campaign had colluded with the Russian government. That has turned out to have been a lie. It is certainly not beyond Schiff to sell a dubious 'intelligence' report, based on circumstantial evidence, as alarming news that required immediate action.

The purpose of this shabby round of 'Russiagate' nonsense was to hinder Trump's plans to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan before the election, to sabotage the cooperation between Russia and the U.S. on the negotiations with the Taliban and to blame Trump of another 'collusion' with the ever hated Russia.

But the short life of the false claims made certain that it failed to achieve this.

Posted by b on July 7, 2020 at 17:08 UTC | Permalink

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Great stuff as usual ... but this:

"The purpose of this shabby round of 'Russiagate' nonsense was to hinder Trump's plans to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan before the election ..."

is the part I don't understand from the MSM: so, even if it was true that the Russkies and the Iranians (our go-to baddies in the area) WERE paying bounties to kill American soldiers, how the Hell is that an argument for staying longer? We're under attack so we must stay to get killed??

It doesn't even make sense as an effort to tarnish the peace deal with the Taliban: how is making peace with them after 20 years of war a worse idea knowing they may be getting paid to kill our folks, as well as doing it for their own purposes? If anything, it makes it even more imperative to make peace!

Posted by: Caliman | Jul 7 2020 17:25 utc | 1

What a bunch of clowns.
While Covid piles on the deaths, and cities getting trashed, the Government throwing trillions at billionaires all these idiots can talk about is Russia, China, Venezuela,Iran.
How can the pissed off American public put up with these assholes anymore?

Posted by: arby | Jul 7 2020 17:25 utc | 2

Once again the Democrats of being stupid will probably lose the election , I always thought Russia could be great friend to the west and the USA , in the mean time China is more dangerous than Russia , with the stupid MIC and the haters of Russia are pushing Russia toward the east , it will be a war between the US , Europe against Russia , China and Iran .
Guess who is going to win .

Posted by: Bobby | Jul 7 2020 17:29 utc | 3

Posted by: Caliman | Jul 7 2020 17:25 utc | 1 We're under attack so we must stay to get killed??

Yes. If you're a military-industrial contractor, or for that matter, one that is helping smuggle opium out of Afghanistan, you want the US to stay. Saying that Russians are paying the Taliban bounties might cause the US to reinforce its force level in Afghanistan.

I mean, yeah, it makes no sense - but then staying in Afghanistan for almost twenty years didn't make any sense anyway. So "any excuse will do" is the idea - and always has been. There was never a rational reason to invade Afghanistan in the first place. It was all about oil and heroin from the get-go.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 7 2020 17:35 utc | 4

Caliman @1: "...even if it was true that the Russkies and the Iranians (our go-to baddies in the area) WERE paying bounties to kill American soldiers, how the Hell is that an argument for staying longer? We're under attack so we must stay to get killed??"

Don't neglect American mass psychology. Americans never retreat. Advance to the rear, perhaps, but America's mighty military machine will never run away. If the narrative that American troops are being hunted for bounties takes root in the American public's warped imaginations, then the New York Langley Times and the Washington Bezos Post can attack Trump as a coward who runs away while the fight is still on. That's not an image Trump can tolerate so he would be forced to keep troops there and even do some air strikes.

In other words, the fake news about bounties was just one part of the operation to keep US troops in Afghanistan.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 7 2020 17:41 utc | 5

RHS #4

And there's a multi-trillion dollar pile of minerals including lithium waiting to be mined in Afghanistan, this story has been hawked for years now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/afghanistan-donald-trump-1-trillion-mineral-reserves-deposits-war-rebuilding-reconstruction-gold-a7904301.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/18/trumps-afghanistan-strategy-may-unlock-3-trillion-in-natural-resources.html

As for the blog subject, I have no words anymore.

Posted by: snow_watcher | Jul 7 2020 17:42 utc | 6

No doubt China is laughing its ass off at this latest attempt at RussiaGate 2.0. Both the Dems and Trump continue to do Beijing's bidding, whether it's witting or not.

1.5 billion people in the span of several decades have transformed into ravenous, rapacious, insatiable consumers on a finite planet's with already severely diminished resources and a climate out of equilibrium.

All of that plus COVFEFE-19, plus a potential Swine Flu pandemic on top of it and the Bubonic Plague, and the corporatist media is focusing on Russia paying the Taliban to kill American soldiers when allegedly that's what the Taliban is doing any way?

America taking umbrage with the Russian bounties, even if true, tells me that perhaps the Taliban isn't truly the enemy when you remove the veil, or certainly not anymore than al Qaeda is/was and Daesh. They're all American inventions and as such, America will tell them when and where to kill American soldiers, not uppity Russia.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 7 2020 17:43 utc | 7

@b:

On June 2, just one week after it was launched…

should read

On July 2, just one week after it was launched…

Posted by: S | Jul 7 2020 17:46 utc | 8

Politico reports Trump is opening an investigation into who sourced those articles.


-- SEARCHING FOR LEAKERS … THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION has opened an internal investigation to try to uncover who leaked intelligence about Russians paying the Taliban bounties to kill American soldiers. The administration maintains the story is overcooked and the leaks cherry-picked despite a steady stream of follow-ups from media outlets across the globe.

THE ADMINISTRATION has interviewed people with access to the intelligence, and believes it has narrowed down the universe of suspects to fewer than 10 people.

THE ADMINISTRATION has said it would search for leakers in its ranks on many occasions. Notably, they vowed to find out who wrote an anonymous op-ed in the NYT almost two years ago. They said they’d find who leaked the president’s calendars in February 2019. Most of these probes fizzled out or faded away.

BUT, THE ADMINISTRATION seems a bit more worked up about these leaks, due to the highly classified nature of the intelligence.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 7 2020 17:49 utc | 9

"How the Hell is than an argument for staying longer?" -- It is the result of 'staying in Afghanistan' that matters to these folks, not the quality or the rationale of the argument. With the MSM echo chamber and Trump's ability to put his tweet in his mouth I don't think anyone can predict in advance what might stick. Throw enough shit at a wall, something will stick. They can't control trump, they can't really bruise him more than they have, so they just continually shotgun hopeful crisis at him. Pass the popcorn, I have a feeling this is about to get really good.

The reasons for staying in Afghanistan are the true problem. Opioids (the CIA might go bankrupt), Pipelines (US control of oil), and Military Power Projection (borders with Iran, China, and the Russian dominated Stans). It is hard to say how much or if any of this benefits the American people, but it certainly benefits those clinging to corporate profits and retaining their piece fo the global economic pie.

Posted by: Netizen | Jul 7 2020 17:50 utc | 10

@5

America sure did retreat from Libya and the irony is, the instigator, Sarkozy, never got what he strategized to get from it, which was reelection. America and NATO left it to the other aspiring imperialist pretenders, Turkey and Russia, and look what a mess they're making of it. It's as messy as if America was conducting the occupation and civil war itself. Maybe the point of Libya is as a military playground for imperialist pretenders to strut their stuff. A catwalk of sorts.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 7 2020 17:52 utc | 11

... the short live of the false claims made certain that it failed ...

I disagree. The committee voted to delay removing troops and the Russiagate nonsense was refreshed in the public's mind. I'd bet that Schiff's previous knowledge of Russia offering bounties doesn't get much USA media attention. The controversy didn't have to persist very long for it to be successful. It was largely already over when the news about Schiff came out.

To say it failed seems like projection and wishful thinking.

And consider this: Is it really possible that Trump didn't know - or couldn't have quickly found out - that Schiff had been briefed? It seems likely that the 'Russian bounties' story was arranged with the full knowledge of the Trump Administration. USA doesn't really want to pull out.

The real story here is the dog that didn't bark at the dog that didn't bark.

U.S. commander wary of full troop pullout from Afghanistan amid tumult

Speaking to the House Armed Services Committee, Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command, said the military is following through on its part of a landmark peace agreement the Trump administration struck with the Taliban late last month to reduce the number of American troops in the country, but he also told lawmakers he has “no confidence” in the Taliban’s willingness to pursue a peace process with the U.S.-backed Afghan government in Kabul.

“We’re going to go to 8,600 by the summer. Conditions on the ground will dictate if we go below that,”


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 7 2020 18:10 utc | 12

Richard Steven Hack @Jul7 17:49 #9

Pretended concerns about 'leakers' to cover for the busted we-gotta-stay-in-Afghanistan psyop.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 7 2020 18:14 utc | 13

Meanwhile. not a word from the corporatist media about Maxwell and Epstein being blackmailers for the intelligence services. Instead, they were just some rogue, random, wealthy, highly-connected sex freaks. Maxwell and Epstein is the REAL election interference story. RussiaGate is the distracting cover for it.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 7 2020 18:26 utc | 15

When a large organism is dying, all sorts of gasses, foul smells and noxious vapours emanate from the corpse. This is just some more of the same. Eventually the whole organism will collapse into a mass of putrifying material. New life, in the form of parasitic growths, scavengers and later, sweet smelling plants and flowers fertilised by the products of decay will arise from the corpse. I look forward to seeing them. RIP.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jul 7 2020 18:30 utc | 16

thanks b... interesting theory schiff is behind the ongoing russiagate news, or the latest episode - bountygate... of course the dem party never miss a chance to shot themselves in the foot... or is it that the major players want another 4 years of trumps excellent leadership record? snark! tough call as to who is zooming who here, but if i want to be distracted, i will know to read what wg refers to as the langley times, or the bezos post... bad enough i read moa, lol...

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2020 18:33 utc | 17

Unfortunately, the trumped up story is NOT a dud; it did its job. Congress has made it impossible to bring home troops from Afghanistan, ensuring that the murder machine/grift combo can continue, with more money to be made by those on the inside getting paid to support the efforts.

Posted by: worldblee | Jul 7 2020 18:35 utc | 18

@14

America is not alone. America 2.0, China, is working overtime to best its progenitor in the competition to destroy the living planet.

China’s Worsening Floods Highlight Extreme Weather Threat

More than 12 million people affected by torrential rains

This year’s precipitation double-to-triple usual levels

Besides climate change, decades of economic development and urbanization which involve reclaiming land from lakes and wetlands have also increased the amount of damage natural disasters can incur. Wuhan, once known as the “city of 100 lakes,” has seen most of the 127 lakes that existed in 1980s now lost to reclaimed land, and it now faces one of China’s most serious urban flooding problems.

“Human activities have destroyed the rivers, lakes, forest and any form of natural ‘protections’ to fight floods,” said Yu Jianfeng, founder of Public Culture Center of Environmental Protection for Rivers, a non-profit organization based in Chongqing. “It’s time for us to set principles on how we develop and we need to leave enough natural reservoirs to our cities to reduce the damage of floods.”

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 7 2020 18:38 utc | 19

The CIA won't go broke when the flow of afghani opium dries up. That stuff is just a trickle anyway, compared to the tidal waves of cocaine coming out of South America. And I don't even believe that they really need any dope money to keep themselves afloat. It's simply important that noone else gets to benefit from that mountain of easy cash.

However, if the USA leaves Afghanistan today, the first pipeline will be laid down tomorrow, connecting Iranian oilfields to Chinese industry.

Posted by: Lurk | Jul 7 2020 18:40 utc | 20

China Inks Military Deal With Iran Under Secretive 25-Year Plan - Includes Russia from OilPrice

If it's accurate, it's more impetus to keep the troops in Afghanistan and to keep Russiagate rumbling on.

Posted by: HomeComposting | Jul 7 2020 19:03 utc | 21

On June 2, just one week after it was launched, the story was declared dead:

b:

I think you mean July 2, since the NY Times didn't spew this latest fable until June 26th (online first).

Posted by: Jay | Jul 7 2020 19:05 utc | 22

This says russia paying bounties to the Taliban was exposed as a hoax.

Yes, it was a partisan hoax.

No, it is not really "exposed." It is believed as an article of faith now by a vast number of people.

It is now in the "birther" phase: nonsense people believe because they want to believe it.

I doubt truth will ever catch up with this lie, because those who purport to be fact checkers and truth tellers are the perpetrators and benefactors of this lie.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jul 7 2020 20:16 utc | 23

Any chance you could send a message to the "journalists" at the guardian that the story is nonsense.
They are going full "Russians bad, Trump stupid"
Don't worry about the facts.

Posted by: Jpc | Jul 7 2020 20:41 utc | 24

Jpc@24
There is a good chance that the origins of this story lie with MI6, The Guardian's current proprietor. Like the Steele dossier, Skripal, the links between Manafort and Wikileaks, the "hacking" of the DNC and much else in the attempt to revive the Cold War (when MI6 had lots of fun and money was no object- the halcyon days of LeCarre and Ian Fleming) this bears the fingerprints of British spooks.
The Guardian is on a voyage across the Atlantic, looking for economic security, and stories like these, fabricated by Luke Harding on orders from above, are meant to endear the failing rag to those for whom a trillion bucks a year for the Pentagon is easily delivered.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 7 2020 21:02 utc | 25

B make a maxwell thread!

Posted by: Bob | Jul 7 2020 21:03 utc | 26

@ Mark Thomason #23

And what is even worse is if you told those believers that the US was doing that very thing when it was the Russian military there they would be joyously applauding.

Posted by: Peter Charles | Jul 7 2020 21:04 utc | 27

@ bevin | Jul 7 2020 21:02 utc | 25

Luke Harding's friends and colleagues at the Integrity Initiative and the Institute for Statecraft would like a honorable mention too, for all the hard work they put in, even if it is well rewarded at the British tax payers's expense.

Other than that, given England's near century head start and resulting lead at imperial decline vis-á-vis their former colony, I doubt that these operations are entirely concocted by Her Majesty's diligent servants alone. I'd wager that the limeys are excellent cutouts for domestic operations that hold potential to become a little too close to full-bore treason for comfortable and plausible denial. Even when they are all in it together (apart from you and me of course). It's all a matter of perception.


Posted by: Lurk | Jul 7 2020 21:23 utc | 28

@ Peter Charles | Jul 7 2020 21:04 utc | 27

"They would"?? They DID!

Have you forgotten all about Rambo in Afghanistan?

Even Starship Troopers, a totally over the top satire of that genre got those murkins fist-pumpin 'n yeah-brawling at the theaters.

Posted by: Lurk | Jul 7 2020 21:31 utc | 29

worldblee #18

Yeah, I almost contested "...embarrassing failure..." but I guess it depends on your perspective. MoA knows it is, the rest of the world to your point, not so much.

Posted by: snow_watcher | Jul 7 2020 21:57 utc | 30

Yeah, no surprises or real news there.

We need a breakdown of wtf is going on with all the explosions at Iranian Nuclear sites and weapon depots. That is the big news story no one actually knows about.

By Zero Hedge's account it is now 6 incidents in only a few weeks - ZH is pretty meh these days i know- regardless, there have now been numerous concurrent and documented suspicious explosions at sensitive locations to rightfully assume foul play in Iran:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-sees-6th-deadly-mystery-explosion-weeks-industrial-zone-near-tehran

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 7 2020 22:19 utc | 31

"The memo said that the C.I.A. and the National Counterterrorism Center had assessed".....

I said a week ago that the CIA - not the US military in Afghanistan - was responsible for concocting this original story about "Russian Bounties".

They did so because the US military in Afghanistan had noticed all the cash sloshing around the Taliban and wanted the CIA to find out where it came from.

The CIA could hardly admit It Came From Us, Baby! but also couldn't just shrug the shoulders and mutter "I dunno, go find out for yer'self" in case the military did exactly that.

But this? Why, "Russian bounty" is sure to push all the right buttons with the military, and is guaranteed to concentrate the minds of both the soldiers and the generals. It's a perfect distraction.

But I think b might be onto something here. Even if the claim originated as a bit of deliberate misdirection for the benefit of a puzzled Army of Occupation, once the story gets into the ears of someone like Schiff then it's going to be like a red rag to a bull.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 7 2020 22:54 utc | 32

Lol

Everytime Trump says he is going to pull out of somewhere something comes up that allows him to not do so.

The Dems just playing their role so he can explain to his base why he could not pull out of Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

The US will never, ever leave Iraq (oil), Syria (Israel), or Afghanistan (poppy), just like we never left Germany, Japan or Korea (and many other places)

Trump never had any intention of pulling out. Which is one reason he stopped reporting on deployments to Afghanistan. Iraq and Syria in 2017

He has bipartisan support for staying in, the MIC wants to stay in, more important is Israel demands it.

Try and give up your false 2 party paradigm. Both parties are united on almost every major issue except the fluff social issues . Its just Kayfabe.

Posted by: Kay Fabe | Jul 7 2020 22:56 utc | 33

You conclude: "But the short live (sic) of the false claims made certain that it failed to achieve this." This is not true. A bipartisan bill has now been introduced that, if enacted, will give Congress oversight of the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan. Trump wants the troops out, the sooner the better. Congress clearly wants to prevent that. So the false story in the NYT and the WaPo does appear to be achieving its purpose.

Posted by: Simon | Jul 7 2020 23:39 utc | 34

We're under attack so we must stay to get killed??
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Posted by: Caliman | Jul 7 2020 17:25 utc | 1

I basically doubt that Trump will matter more then Obama did. Didn't Trump claim more or less directly Obama created Isis by withdrawing the troops from Iraq?

The Old Normal. Why we can’t beat our addiction to war, by Andrew J. Bacevich, Harper's March 2020 issue.

http://archive.vn/7NjMh#selection-839.0-839.559

Only when foreign-policy elites cease to cite isolationism to explain why the “sole superpower” has stumbled of late will they be able to confront the issues that matter. Ranking high among those issues is an egregious misuse of American military power and an equally egregious abuse of American soldiers. Confronting the vast disparity between U.S. military ambitions since 9/11 and the results actually achieved is a necessary first step toward devising a serious response to Donald Trump’s reckless assault on even the possibility of principled statecraft.

Posted by: moon | Jul 7 2020 23:40 utc | 35

Yeah, Right

Kayfabe explains what has actually occurred much better than dollars in the hands of Taliban.

Partisan politics of Trump vs. Schiff and 'Russiagate' are just smoke and mirrors.

As commenter 'Kay Fabe' explains: Everytime Trump says he is going to pull out of somewhere something comes up that allows him to not do so.

Also see my comment @Jul7 18:10 #12.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 7 2020 23:46 utc | 36

The New York Times has just published an editorial about this propaganda fiasco (40 min ago):

Don’t Let Russian Meddling Derail Afghanistan Withdrawal Plans

Looks like a sophisticated admission of defeat to me, while preparing the terrain for a comeback. Don't know for sure.

Posted by: vk | Jul 8 2020 0:00 utc | 37

as usual, by the time the truth had its boots on the lie had already spread halfway around the world. the liars have an intrinsic edge here as long as they still have some credibility with the msm consuming public. as long as they own the msm.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 8 2020 0:09 utc | 38

The New York Times, fresh off its complete failure by relying on "anonymous intelligence officials"...has just done it again, albeit with slightly more plausibility.

Iran Admits Serious Damage to Natanz Nuclear Site, Setting Back Program
A Middle Eastern intelligence official said Israel planted a bomb in a building where advanced centrifuges were being developed.

As I expected, a cyberattack has been ruled out. Someone physically brought a bomb into the facility.

Of course, THE NYT piece is mostly a propaganda hit piece on Iran, almost blatantly so, crowing that Iran is "isolated", that Israel can strike anywhere inside Iran, blah, blah, blah. At first I thought the author must be David Sanger, but it's three other guys.

There appears to be a full-scale sabotage campaign going on in Iran at the moment, probably using the M.E.K. or Balochi separatists as Israeli/CIA proxies.

Iran blasts: What is behind mysterious fires at key sites?

Posted by: r | Jul 8 2020 0:21 utc | 39

Screwed up my handle...that was me at #39.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 8 2020 0:22 utc | 40

@HC 21
That's a whopper! Same as an alliance if those are just the known details. If true of course.
The investment money up front could help Iran ride it out economically. Having China as a preferred customer at a discount is how things probably are now. If they can get it out of the ground China is gonna get it.
The dual use bases and military deployments what China must know is a future hot spot says lots. Thought Iran was against foreign troops?

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 8 2020 0:44 utc | 41

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jul 7 2020 20:16 utc | 23

So what even if Russia indeed bribed the Taliban?

It's merely a simple matter of a willing seller cutting a deal with a willing buyer. If the US don't like that they can always make better counteroffer instead of being crybabies making tantrums like they always do.

Posted by: JW | Jul 8 2020 0:45 utc | 42

Is Iraq About To Become A Chinese Client State?
https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Middle-East/Is-Iraq-About-To-Become-A-Chinese-Client-State.html
And China Inks Military Deal With Iran Under Secretive 25-Year Plan
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/China-Inks-Military-Deal-With-Iran-Under-Secretive-25-Year-Plan.html

Lack of indigenous sufficient oil is the PLA's Achilles heel; their "Belt and Road" is also aimed at the Persian Gulf, so the motive is there. The Wehrmacht was also going after oil first. Sunni Arab oil is too much entangled with the Angloes.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 8 2020 2:01 utc | 43

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jul 7 2020 18:30 utc | 16

Poetic comment. Love it.

Posted by: snorko | Jul 8 2020 2:13 utc | 44

1If Russia wanted to take revenge over the US Al Quaeda Alliance to
down Russian aircraft by supplying Al Quaeda with US made handheld anti-aircraft MANPADS, it would only have to smuggle all the US made anti-aircraft and anti-armor weapons captured in Syria and hand them over to the Taliban.

A shame that they did not do it.
Posted by: CarlD |

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 8 2020 2:26 utc | 45

@Et Tu | Jul 7 2020 22:19 utc | 31

Those "explosions" were bunker buster bombs, delivered most likely by cruise missile, destroyed the labs, killed everybody inside

Posted by: Just Me | Jul 8 2020 4:05 utc | 46

Has anyone heard from the old crowd, like ggiap (Christopher?), Monolycus, annie, beq, or b4real?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 8 2020 5:29 utc | 47

DeAnander,anna missed, Hamburger, debs is dead, A swedish kind of death, dan of steele, so many of the old moonbats, I feel bad, leaving many many out...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 8 2020 5:37 utc | 48

Posted by: Just Me | Jul 8 2020 4:05 utc | 46 Those "explosions" were bunker buster bombs, delivered most likely by cruise missile, destroyed the labs, killed everybody inside

Link please or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 8 2020 6:24 utc | 49

@Richard Steven Hack | Jul 8 2020 6:24 utc | 49

Patience, not everything that happens is reported on the internet or even photographed. Many guilty parties go free for lack of available evidence.

Posted by: Just Me | Jul 8 2020 6:45 utc | 50

Hiya Uncle, we haven't all disappeared. Really good to see ya here.
Chris is the one I most worry about, mind you I haven't written to him in years - not since Macron won - mebbe because I thought it was too much for a dodgy heart I dunno or equally likely that was at a time when I was away from these boards.

As for myself somehow it feels wrong to use the name of the only really great amerikan on a board where so many members of the right feel at home, people who cannot differentiate between anti-racism as a pose and those anti-racists who view racism as a primary tool of imperialism which must be fought at all cost.

As for lefties I worry that theoretical socialists who see continually stating their position as a way forwards, outweigh the practical socialists who see socialism a way of life to be lived, now even more than they used to.
Lotsa arguments about fine points of meaningless positions IMO.

Not that you would, $cam, don't be letting me or anyone else be trying to bring u to their POV.
Annie drops in from time to time, I haven't seen or heard from the swede in an age or Hamburger n Anna or DeAnander, dan of steele is still around so we haven't all gone.

Posted by: A User | Jul 8 2020 6:53 utc | 51

US is destroying itself and world through erratic moves: Global Times editorial
Posted by: vk | Jul 7 2020 18:25 utc | 14

Thanks bigly for the link. Excellent article. Short, sweet and unambiguous.
It tends to rhyme with my recent speculation that Putin's (almost illogical) 16-year term extension was part of an expanded Ru/Cn co-operation plan. "Russia" was mentioned too many times for it to be coincidental.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 8 2020 6:56 utc | 52

Maybe the readers can help out as the "rules" are confusing as hell.

So basically I will read article after article on MOA telling me that the NYT, WAPO, Guardian etc all lie about the Middle East, Africa, China, Russia and are forever seeking to sow discord, rancour and war.

As the article above.

A couple of days later I will comeback to MOA and read article after article moaning about Trump... using the same NYT, WAPO, Guardian media you have just told me lie all/most of the time and are not to be trusted!

What is this ?!!?

Then I think of of how you won't report on certain information regarding Hydroxychloroquine even when that information is from sources that you use for you other reporting... and it makes me wonder what else am I reading that you may not be giving a fuller picture on.

So here we are I guess....

Posted by: Skeletor | Jul 8 2020 7:09 utc | 53

@36 Jackrabbit Sure, Kayfabe explains why the NYTimes ran with this story NOW, as in, July 2020.

I'm pointing out how and why that story originated back in 2018 i.e. way back then.

The story was concocted then as a way for the CIA to divert everyone else's attention away from the massive cash-flow that resulted from the Taliban/CIA cooperative business venture otherwise known as "the heroin trade".

That was why the "Russian bounty" nonsense was created, to blind the US military to what was happening.
Nothing more.
No less.

It is NOW being bandied around in the New York Times and the Washington Post for a completely different reason i.e. to create a new scandal in an attempt - once more, yet again - to "get" Trump for reasons of... reasons. Whatever. He's not liked in most corridors of power in Washington.

I don't doubt that this story coming out NOW has horrified the CIA because - and let's be honest here - the "Russian Bounty!!!" story is so preposterous that it really can't stand up to much scrutiny at all, as we have all just seen.

As a fanciful story it worked with the US military in Afghanistan because it validated their worse fears and prejudices.
It doesn't work as a front-page story in the New York Times because (did I mention this already?) it is preposterous nonsense.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 8 2020 7:12 utc | 54

@39 r One of the authors is Ronen Bergman.

A quick look at wiki tells me "He is a senior political and military analyst for Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel's largest-circulation daily."

And this gem of an understatement "Bergman's articles are often based on classified military and intelligence material to which he has been granted exclusive access"

I bet he has. I'd also wager that "journalism" isn't really his occupation, even if he claims that as his day job.

I mean, get real: the damage was to an above-ground building, which by definition means it wasn't an important facility.

But that is never going to stop an Israeli shill from indulging in hyperbole.

After all, Iran has for decade after decade been "six months away from a nuke!" so take this latest story as the inevitable flip-side i.e. any damage, no matter how "soft" the target, must have crippled the Iranians and put them back many, many, many months.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 8 2020 7:30 utc | 55

Kay Fabe 33

I disagree with you.

The campaign against Trump has been too ferocious and has been carried on for far too long for it to be fake.

It started with the Obama administration using the FBI to derail the Trump campaign long before the election even took place. We know the FBI used the fake dossier and even lied to the FISA court to get a warrant to spy on members of the Trump campaign and it has simply progressed from there.

The Mueller investigation, the impeachment, the relentless pursuit of Trump by the media to the point that have have lost all credibility. If you just look at the lengths the Democrats have gone to to overthrow Trump. It is quite clear that a colour revolution is currently underway in the US.

All these point to a serious, persistent and relentless effort to remove Trump. Why? Behind the scenes Barr and Durham have been investigating how the FBI was used against Trump in the run up to the election (Obamagate) . The Durham report is ready from what I’ve read and reportedly at least 3 dozen indictments are being prepared.

In Trump’s interview with Hannity recently he made an interesting comment. When he first came to Washington he knew no-one ) which explains why his first term was so chaotic) but now he knows everyone. Trump second term will be a whole different ballgame.

Posted by: Down South | Jul 8 2020 8:12 utc | 56

@41 PleaseBeleafMe.

If the proposed military agreements are accurate then it's an absolute game changer and marks a major shift for Iran. As you say - also my understanding - "Thought Iran was against foreign troops". I have not found much else to verify these proposed deployments... Wait and see I guess.

I have come to the conclusion that a useful amount of American domestic politics can be usefully viewed first through the prism of hegemony; to attempt to give it some overarching context.

@43 Antonym.

That's a pretty transparent attempt to 'poison the well' (informal logical fallacy) you, either wittingly or unwittingly, presented with the ordering of those links. I suspect many here will notice the fallacy.

Posted by: HomeComposting | Jul 8 2020 8:14 utc | 57

Thank you b for another interesting post.

The USA media could do to follow this path before it opens its big mouth.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2020 9:23 utc | 58

A User #51

so we haven't all gone.

Where be Walter? I know he is a recent barfly but he vanished. He enriched us well I thought.

The other names are before my time mostly and I have been here a few+ years (I think).

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2020 9:45 utc | 59

re uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2020 9:45 utc | 59

Sorry Uncle Tungsten I know no more than you of the whereabouts of walter or anyone else on these boards. Back in the day when the whisky bar was going there was considerable socialisation between the participants. But I got to none of 'em because somewhere in europe was generally the gathering spot and I had two young 'uns to parent, making bolting to 'somewhere in europe' for a couple weeks NH summer fun, an impossibility.

Now that I am once again available for 'weddings parties anything' it is difficult to imagine that the camaraderie of the early knees ups is still possible. Although I admit I have toyed with having a SH summer party over on the island just to see how everyone would handle no electricity, no net or phones for a few days, but now I also worry about the 6km walk, in last time I did it after much nagging from the kids, it really hurt for a day or so (hilly scrubland till you get down to the beach).

Maybe one day before everyone is using walkers & hunting around for shoes to match their colostomy bag, I'll do it if a few people (8 - 10) go together it is possible to get a boat to go into the bay as opposed to flying over then walking in).
Nah probably better to do it somewhere metropolitan so we can escape from one another when the 'discussions' become too heated} As long as we all make sure b has a ticket to wherever it doesn't really matter what the location is - if the travel bans ever do get lifted.
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Posted by: A User | Jul 8 2020 10:22 utc | 60

@ Kay Fabe 33

The U.S. will never ever pull out of...

Let’s see what happens in say, 4 billion years time...

Posted by: Beibdnn | Jul 8 2020 10:46 utc | 61

Then I think of of how you won't report on certain information regarding Hydroxychloroquine even when that information
Posted by: Skeletor | Jul 8 2020 7:09 utc | 53

Yes, no doubt it surely must be heartbreaking for a true loyalist to see not all follow 100% the hints and talking points of the tweeter in chief.

Posted by: blum | Jul 8 2020 11:12 utc | 62

Caliman @ 1

You just have to ignore EVERYTHING the Orange Menace says! He has nothing to do with Imperial policy or actions, he is merely a cipher, a distraction, a useful diversion from reality.

Posted by: barovsky | Jul 8 2020 11:15 utc | 63

Skeletor @53 Re: Using compromised "Operation Mockingbird" corporate mass media as sources even though that mass media is known to deliberately disinform.

Corporate mass media products, like news segments or written articles, can be viewed on two different levels. The surface level, and the level at which the product is intended to be consumed by the public and installed in their heads as revealed Truth©, is the narrative. Much of this narrative is usually contained in the headline for an article as most people don't read beyond that anyway. This narrative is false, or at least intentionally misleading, 100% of the time.

These articles and news segments can be analysed at a deeper level, though. To build up to their Big Lie of the story's narrative, the corporate mass media must use small pieces of fact and truth, which they assemble in deceptive ways, to make their false narrative palatable. It is the job of the analyst to look beyond the intended narrative of a corporate mass media product to find the fact and truth fragments that they are using to sell the false narrative.

What I get the biggest kick out of is that the creators of these corporate mass media false narratives are often themselves the loudest voices protesting our host using their own products to counter their narratives. They really hate it when their own words are used to discredit their own narratives, and so they whine that if you are not going to swallow their vile narrative, then you should not refer to their words. Poor babies!

While it is true that inattentive readers who are prone to uncritically installing false narratives in their own heads should avoid consuming those mass media products, analysts who are skilled at filtering out and separating the narrative from the supporting text of articles can easily dig out facts from that media ore without risk of contamination of their minds with crap. Our host is one of those kinds of analysts. Unfortunately, since you, Skeletor, cannot tell the difference between narrative and information, you run a great risk of being remote controlled by the false narrative if you consume unprocessed corporate mass media products. I recommend that you avoid them.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2020 11:30 utc | 64

Down South wrote

The campaign against Trump has been too ferocious and has been carried on for far too long for it to be fake.

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That your delusional belief. You probably believe that pro wresting is just too ferocious and long lasting to not be real

The Mueller investigation and the Ukrainegate BS were all engineered by the Trump White House. They were designed to seem like Trump was doing mortal combat against insurmountable odds but somehow by pure miracle the Donald managed to defeat the swarms of evil trying to bring him down.

______________________________________________
It started with the Obama administration using the FBI to derail the Trump campaign long before the election even took place.

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That would be one heck of a good story except one minor detail. The FBI derailed the Clinton campaign by repeatedly reminding voters that Clinton was the subject of criminal investigations while at the same time the FBI kept the investigations of Trump well hidden.
The story of Flynn lied to the FBI is a perfect example of a Kayfabe storyline. Not only did Comey help Trump get elected, Comey also helped Trump sell the fake Flynn lied to the FBI story. Without the fake Flynn lied to the FBI story there is no Mueller investigation. Just ask Comey he testified to Congress that he leaked the non existent Flynn lied to the FBI story to trigger the appointment of a Special Counsel. The problem with that story is we now know the Trump WH had picked Comey's good buddy Mueller 2 days before Comey came out with the false story that Flynn lied to the FBI and Trump threatened Comey to go easy on Flynn.
The day after Comey's leak Trump held a secret oval office meeting with Mueller and the day after that the Trump administration announces the appointment of Mueller.


Posted by: jinn | Jul 8 2020 12:17 utc | 65

My guess is the old guard at MOA have retired to their psychical farms and villas, slinking back with their tails between their legs to the sheltered far reaches of their minds, for supporting the mass murdering Donald Trump in 2016 as a tool in their endless battle against the empire they fail to comprehensively comprehend and understand fully. I will give them credit for having a conscience and being humbled and humiliated by their idiocy in supporting, nay championing, a cretin like Donald Trump and for sleeping with, and coddling and entertaining, fascists pretending to be leftists.

A true leftist, one worth their salt, has a paramount duty and obligation to eliminate the possibility of being used as a tool and a fool by fascists.

Giving succor or the time of day or an audience to the likes of @53 and @56 is tantamount to treason for any true leftist. Considering that, I would argue there are no longer any true leftists at MOA. Those who may have been were snookered and have lost all credibility. Leftism is, effectively dead. Pat Lang's cyber shick troops are crawling all over this place. It's plainly obvious.

And no, any true leftist would never support China or Russia any more than they would support America. They're all the same tyrannical lips, just different shades of lipstick. I'll give Louis Proyect credit for staying true to his marxist beliefs and continuing to champion the causes of the working classes sans supporting despotic regimes around the globe, be it American despotic regimes or Syrian despotic regimes or Russian despotic regimes or Chinese despotic regimes.

I don't need the Mockingbird Press to tell me Donald Trump is a criminally psychopathic mass murderer who is murdering his own people at the behest of Beijing and Moscow. What Donald Trump is doing is tantamount to what Assad and Saddam were accused of doing — gassing their own people. Russia and China are my enemy because they encourage this and support it in their, in the least, tacit support and approval of Donald Trump.

Donald Trump stands guilty as charged of crimes against humanity. He and his regime are involved in a genocide against the American people. Any person supporting him at this point, any country supporting him at this point, is complicit in this and is also guilty of crimes against humanity. In a victorious true revolution this supporting cast of countries and people would be dealt justice once Donald Trump and his regime were toppled. That justice should be severe and brutal and should be to such an extent that it prevents any such injustice from ever occurring again. In that process, malevolent actors will be removed from this realm forever and the people of those supporting countries will finally be liberated from the bondage they've been placed in by their respective tyrannical governments.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 8 2020 12:27 utc | 66

Scott Ritter said that the Russians had been giving "aid" to the Taliban since 2014 to kill Americans, the CIA and their proxies, ISIS. Trump wasn't President in 2014, 2015, or 2016... maybe Obama and Biden were not told? Or maybe Biden forgets?

Posted by: Michael888 | Jul 8 2020 12:45 utc | 67

Hopefully readers can recognize King Donkey Rear in its newer form. The retraining seminars that David Brock provided his employees have at least improved their grammar in these longer form posts that they are unfamiliar with. They even use paragraph breaks now!

Now if only they can ease up on the Atlanticist jingoism mixed with the DNC campaign points du jour readers here might be fooled by them.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2020 12:56 utc | 68

@66

And no, "electing" Joe Biden or any democrat for that matter is not toppling the Trump regime. They are what gave us the Trump regime and as such are complicit in his crimes against humanity. Barack Obama is guilty of complicity. Joe Biden is guilty of complicity. Nancy Pelosi is guilty of complicity. Hillary Clinton is guilty of complicity. Pat Lang and his ilk are guilty of complicity. There are so many more to add to that list. The Mocking Bird Press and all the alphabet intelligence agencies the world over are guilty of complicity. Beijing is guilty of complicity. Moscow is guilty of complicity. Global finance is guilty of complicity. They all, every single one of them, deserve Mussolini's fate.

Precursor -> Curse -> Precursor -> Curse -> Precursor -> Curse -> Precursor -> Curse -> Precursor -> Curse ... and on and on it goes until the living planet is no more.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 8 2020 12:59 utc | 69

@65

That all jibes with PL boasting to me in email, taunting me actually, that he was good friends with Comey, the FBI Director at the time, when I threatened to report him to the FBI for threatening me. He said he had his number and implored me to call Comey directly. As we know, PL is a yuge Trump supporter and the kind of stunts you are describing are the kind of mind fuckery he's engaged in his entire career. Since PL has a direct line to the Pope, we can conclude that the Pope supports Donald Trump mass murdering Americans with COVFEFE-19 I guess under the auspices that it's god's will.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 8 2020 13:19 utc | 70

Still thinking DJT is an outsider is just funny...or maybe next time american will have to choose the secretary of state instead of the president,because the foreign policy is just shit as always it's been..so you can argue all life about this but the reality is that zionism is stronger than ever,Venezuela has been surrounded by yank lickers countries and sanctioned again and again,Iran is constantly threatened and sanctioned again and again..We can't forget Russia itself has been sanctioned even for providing support to Venezuelan state-owned oil company(and for "use of chemical weapons").Nothing has changed and nothing will change whether the president will be joe alzheimer or DJT..Keep dreaming america.

Posted by: LuBa | Jul 8 2020 13:59 utc | 71

Donald Trump is responsible for ALL 135,000 American deaths from COVFEFE-19 and counting. He deliberately and with egregious malice directly murdered these people via his own purposeful inaction and in fact he and his regime and his supporters have taken actions to ensure many more Americans die from this pandemic. It is the epitome of mass murder. As far as I'm concerned, it fits the legal definition of mass murder every bit as much as Jonestown was mass murder. These are deaths that didn't have to be and those who are wishing this on America, meaning foreigners who support Trump, you are supporting a Golem that will be coming for you next. America is a massive disease vector at this point and in our globalized economy, you cannot quarantine effectively the massive disease vector that is America. The Dems gave us Trump on a silver platter. They are complicit in this mass murder. Many are complicit both foreign and domestic. The only thing that can and will save the human species and the living planet at this point is an invasion of benevolent aliens from another solar system or another universe, meaning, nothing can save the human species. The living planet can only hope humans do themselves in before they do the entire living planet in. The self-destruct button has been pushed and it can't be unpushed. Destruction, self-annihilation, has commenced. The spirit in the genes.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 8 2020 14:09 utc | 72

Gruff @68,
That was my thoughts as well. Has the same smell.

Posted by: arby | Jul 8 2020 14:13 utc | 73

@65

That all jibes with PL boasting to me in email, taunting me actually, that he was good friends with Comey, the FBI Director at the time, when I threatened to report him to the FBI for threatening me. He said he had his number and implored me to call Comey directly. As we know, blah blah blah...
...
Posted by: 450.org | Jul 8 2020 13:19 utc | 70

Hey! You forgot to say who you were pretending to be when you were day-dreaming about 'threatening to report PL'.
You also 'forgot' to deliver the punchline of the aftermath of this fairy tale. You'll have to forgive me for doubting your credibility, but I'm only familiar with who you think you are when you're pretending to be 450.org.
You should have pretended to be Comey and told this story from the FBI's point of view. But then I suppose even that wouldn't have provided an excuse for the tiresome rant you used as a replacement for completing the PL story you realised you were to too uninformed to finish without making a bigger fool of yourself.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 8 2020 14:35 utc | 74

@74. Now now Hoarse....try to be more understanding. Throwing shit through Colonel Lang's mailbox and the telling everybody on MOA about it takes a lot of courage. It's a revolutionary act and if enough people join it it may even bring about social change.

Posted by: dh | Jul 8 2020 15:08 utc | 75

Just to add some detail to the legislation giving Congress more power to limit troop withdrawals from Afghanistan. This bipartisan amendment was attached to the NDAA renewal. The republican house member championing it is non other that the rep from Wyoming, Liz Cheney. Yes, that Cheney, Dick's daughter. Maybe the KBR support contract for the troops was more important than citizen soldier's lives.

Posted by: naiverealist | Jul 8 2020 15:14 utc | 76

PL, Comey and Clinton, sitting in a tree. Then along came Trump and PL said, "my what a big beautiful cock you have. It's more massive and beautiful than Hillary's cock. Sorry Hillary, it's Fat Donny's turn for fellating."

You're correct, I wouldn't have contacted the FBI about PL because the FBI is a worthless, undemocratic, corrupt organization that protects the likes of PL. It was a bluff for sure, but a strategic bluff in that it revealed PL's cozy relationship with Comey. PL sucks at his own game.

Like I said, PL's goons are all over this place. Anyone referring to him as "Colonel: has feces smeared all over their face from being so far up his ass.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 8 2020 16:07 utc | 77

Declared dead but - like RussiaGate and UkraineGate - will continue to be cited as “fact” by propagandists, and the virulently partisan (who inhabit both sides with ever-increasing intolerance and hatred that has destroyed any ability and capacity to think for themselves). Civil war, here we come.

Posted by: Declared Dead | Jul 8 2020 16:14 utc | 78

@77 LOL...I thought 'colonel' might annoy you.....I got banned from SST years ago.

Posted by: dh | Jul 8 2020 16:32 utc | 79

Posted by: snorko | Jul 8 2020 2:13 utc | 44

Thanks snorko.

There are many reports of this forthcoming event. Here is just one:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-end-of-empire/

Stay safe - maybe leave the US - if thats where you are. Or work for the break-up - Free California etc.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jul 8 2020 16:48 utc | 80

The ugly troll is a status quo gremlin pretending to be something else. The creature is merely a stupid Cold Warrior, with its rancor showing under a thin veneer. It's starved for attention, always banging the drum against Russia and China when it thinks it has our attention.

Posted by: Copeland | Jul 8 2020 17:12 utc | 81

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jul 8 2020 16:48 utc | 80

"Stay safe - maybe leave the US - if thats where you are. Or work for the break-up - Free California etc."

Glad you said "leave the US", been thinking since... I was following 108Morris108 and Godfree Roberts, Morris passed away in Cambodia Sept last year, dare not or hesitant contact him earlier. Godfree has a website helping senior to live cheaply in Thailand, thinking email Godfree, any better suggestion and get the hell here - California? Serious and not joking!!

Posted by: JC | Jul 8 2020 17:15 utc | 82

I don’t even know why it would be such a big deal even if it were true. Americans kill Russians. Russians kill Americans. It’s tit for tat in the Great Game.

Case in point: how many Russians did the US kill in Syria in the last few years?

Posted by: Joe | Jul 8 2020 17:22 utc | 83

Here a clip from YouTube posted Apr 20, 2020 from an earlier Youtube.

Morris from Australia/UK. You may find more of Morris in Vimeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saVzEHSw3z0

Posted by: JC | Jul 8 2020 17:26 utc | 84

Many powerful people connected to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell — including Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Leslie Wexner — could be “extremely worried right now” following Maxwell’s arrest — because she wrongly believed they were protecting her.

Steven Hoffenberg, a former business associate of Epstein’s (and who temporarily managed the New York Post in 1993), said, “She’s going to be naming some big names — not only in terms of those who abused underage girls at Epstein’s parties — but also those who made financial agreements with Epstein or benefited from his generosity, including flying on his plane and staying at his homes.”

He said it was a shock for Maxwell to be arrested on charges that she groomed underage women to have sex with the infamous pedophile. He explained, “Ghislaine thought she was untouchable — that she’d be protected by the intelligence communities she and Jeffrey helped with information: the Israeli intelligence services, and Les Wexner, who has given millions to Israel; by Prince Andrew, President Clinton and even by President Trump, who was well-known to be an acquaintance of her and Epstein’s.”

https://pagesix.com/2020/07/04/ghislaine-maxwell-prepared-to-snitch-on-big-names-to-save-herself/amp/

Posted by: Mao | Jul 8 2020 17:27 utc | 85

SPIEGEL: "For five years, the sporting world has been gripped by Russian manipulation of the anti-doping system. Now new evidence suggests the whistleblower who went into a witness protection program during the scandal may not have been entirely truthful."

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/evidence-casts-new-doubts-on-russian-doping-whistleblower-a-4bba2ee9-4ead-42fd-85d0-56bd87092c93

Posted by: Mao | Jul 8 2020 17:44 utc | 86

uncle tungsten @59--

I presume Ol' Walter probably completed his mill and is operating it while trying to remain safe & sane in his fiercely Libertarian portion of Northern California. I too miss his banter and our discourses, but it was clear to me that he's what was once called a Gentleman Farmer and it's the time of year when the good weather dictates what must be done--Gotta make hay while the sun shines. The same holds for me, too, as I've plenty of projects--Hunnydoes--to accomplish that are currently competing with a long stretch of outstanding marine weather conditions we haven't had here in several years.

As for this thread's topic, it's clear the Rentier Class want to capitalize on their longstanding investment into Cold War propaganda by trying to shift the Narrative back to Bad Actors Russia & China since the usual seasonal distractions--spectator sports of all sorts--are COVID-19 casualties--all of which Trump's spectacular treasonous mismanagement of the crisis has enabled. Ironically, a statement made by a baseball player sums up the entire situation:

"Just like on the field, success will depend on how many players are safe at home.

"'That’s going to be the biggest challenge for this game to move forward — the off-the-field stuff and what guys do,' said Vincent, an eight-year major league veteran. 'It’s just going to take one team to mess it up for everybody. I hope everybody gets that. It’ll take five guys to get a whole team sick, and then if a whole team is sick, that could end the season for everybody else.'" [My Emphasis]

In today's Global Times Editorial, the very strong rhetoric continues:

"We also deeply regret that Americans are unable to prevent their government from making such an erroneous decision [WHO Pullout]. US decision-making and self-correction have encountered big problems. The political selfishness of the two parties and the leadership are making publicity in such a blatant way, while US society has become accustomed to it and even cooperated with it, which is degeneration.

"The Trump administration is leading the country to 'co-exist with the novel coronavirus.' But we must tell Americans that such inaction is terrible. People's understanding of the virus is insufficient, but it has been proven that it can spread fast and infect humans, and the death rate of COVID-19 is much higher than the common flu. If the US keeps the status quo, its number of deaths will be incalculable, and so will be the lasting of the raging virus and its long-term impact on the economy." [My Emphasis]

I see the Outlaw US Empire as a drowning man who gets thrown a life-ring only to throw it back towards his would-be rescuers while screaming at them to Fuck-Off! IMO, there's only one course of action for the world's nations to take: Turn their backs, ignore the bellowing bluster and threats, and get on with life and national development goals while engineering a new international monetary system that's no longer dependent on the drowning Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2020 17:46 utc | 87

Posted by: Skeletor | Jul 8 2020 7:09 utc | 53

Welcome to the new post-reality world!

Posted by: BM | Jul 8 2020 17:50 utc | 88

Russiagate is the quintessential propaganda operation. The tenacity with which it is pursued is proof that effective disruption of the social order is more likely to be the objective. And disorder is created, or encouraged, in order to pursue more authoritarian measures later. And disorder is used to hold the public mind captive, until such time when Trump or Biden is in place to send the military into the streets.

The Democrats' political hierachcy created this deception and used it as a cudgel to enforce political conformity among their own. This kind of enforced belief is dangerous; and most all who are running for high office have been seen to bow down to it. Among them there are some who knew it was a lie, or at least a gross exaggeration. As with any damned lie, those who submit to it have humiliated themselves.

Posted by: Copeland | Jul 8 2020 18:13 utc | 89

@87

In today's Global Times Editorial, the very strong rhetoric continues:

"We also deeply regret that Americans are unable to prevent their government from making such an erroneous decision [WHO Pullout]. US decision-making and self-correction have encountered big problems. The political selfishness of the two parties and the leadership are making publicity in such a blatant way, while US society has become accustomed to it and even cooperated with it, which is degeneration.

I don't believe the CCP regrets at all Americans' inability to prevent its government's inaction related to COVFEFE-19. In fact, I believe Xi and Co. are delighted by what Trump is doing and they fully understand why Americans cannot prevent it precisely because they engage in the same tactics America's undemocratic intelligence services and law enforcement engage in to suppress the Chinese people so the Chinese people cannot prevent Beijing's tyranny.

I'm case in point. I would like very much to beat PL to a bloody pulp, but he has so much protection, it's impossible to get to him without his protectors intervening. He is part of American governance and he threatened a civilian. If I, in self-defense, react to that threat, the FBI and law enforcement will intervene and protect him and throw me in jail all the while ignoring the fact he provoked it by issuing threats. Same thing happens in China all the time. The only thing that can right such injustice, be it in China or America or anywhere really, is total revolution and that's not going to happen. Virtual World eviscerates any possibility of revolution.

I Got Attacked In China

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 8 2020 18:19 utc | 90

karlof1 @87

You are correct, and we can see evidence of that hysteria of the drowning man in this thread. I just don't see how the rest of the world can safely decouple from this lunacy, though. It will almost certainly mean war on a global scale. I can see the US wildly flinging its feces everywhere: sanctions, economic sabotage, covert terrorist operations, and even overt war on a huge scale as the US uses what remain of its levers of power before they are lost. This total lunacy cannot end well.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 8 2020 20:40 utc | 91

#16

"When a large organism is dying, all sorts of gasses, foul smells and noxious vapours emanate from the corpse. This is just some more of the same."

And all the various gasses, foul smells and noxious vapours that are emitted by every living person who breathes, belches and farts, mixes into the air that's re-breathed by everyone else.

Posted by: krypton | Jul 8 2020 21:07 utc | 92

Expect lots of stories like even past the US e;ection. Your confusion is required. Maybe then we find who pays ISIS-anywhere to Not shoot at the Natoes. just turning that corner next Spring

Posted by: failure d'imaginatio | Jul 8 2020 23:09 utc | 93

Trump saved millions and millions of lives by ... closing the border w/China when dem' liberals die not want to do that [SQUAWWWK! says an approving Laura Ingraham].

The problem is that the WORLD death toll is not even close to 1 million so how can he claim this as a uniquely successful accomplishment? Must be confusing the U.S. with McDonalds, certainly does so when talking about how many tests we have done.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 9 2020 1:34 utc | 94

Yup, this hoax went down pretty quickly. But it achieved its purpose. Stopped peace in Afghanistan and gave democrats and media a pretty good propaganda point to bash Trump.

Posted by: Erelis | Jul 9 2020 1:53 utc | 95

Posted by: Joe | Jul 8 2020 17:22 utc | 83

The collective psychological profile of America 101:

1. It's only a fair fight when all odds are stacked in our favor.
2. If we won, it's natural outcome because we are fucking awesome.
3. If we lost, it's not a loss because we are only voluntary holding back our awesomeness and our enemies cheated.

Posted by: JW | Jul 9 2020 3:27 utc | 96

@87 Karlof1 I'm curious to see the end-game of this covid-19 pandemic. After all, most countries are slowly bringing their own epidemics under control, the exceptions being the three countries led by nationalistic morons: USA, Brazil and the UK.

What happens when everyone else is, essentially, covid-free while those three pestilous countries continue fester away?

The "normal" response would be to reopen borders while quarantining those three hopeless cases, but how can any vassal state of the Exceptional Nation dare to do that to We're Goddam America, S**t Yeah!!!!

It'll end in farce: countries that have already overcome this outbreak will still need to keep their borders locked until the USA finally manages to catch up. Or until Hell freezes over, whichever comes first.

The USA will go from being the Indispensible Nation to being that f**king great big boat-anchour holding back the rest of the world.

And all the while the Chinese and the Russkies and the Persians will be laughing themselves silly as they fly between each other's cities.

This is all going to go down as one of histories great self-immolations. With the USA talking the gold, Brazil breathing down their neck for the silver, and the Brits settling for bronze.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 9 2020 4:55 utc | 97

The current lede in Russia is as follows:

One can make a Radio Yerevan joke out of it.
Is it true, that the GRU paid the Taliban bounties for US troops?
In principle yes, but not GRU but FSB counternarcotics, not the Taleban but relatively independent warlords, not bounties but compensation because its not US troops but poppy fields which exlcusively exported to the CIS market, and the people burning these fields want to be compensated for the protection money they are no longer getting.

Posted by: A.I.S. | Jul 9 2020 11:39 utc | 98

Yeah, Right @97

Sadly, there may be no end game. You cannot game a virus. It has no sense of humor, fear, or shame. You cannot bully it, threaten it with sanctions, or complain about it on Twitter and have it "Canceled", or de-platform it on YouTube. It will continue to infect and kill regardless of how many astroturfers are paid to ridicule it on social media. All the kings horses and all the king's men can't put the virus back in a bottle again.

There are starting to be strong suggestions that "herd immunity" might not be achievable. Just year after year of waves of infection. Even if we do achieve "herd immunity", it may very well be just that symptoms are reduced while the virus remains communicable. Since the rest of the world will not have had to develop "herd immunity", any contact with the infected herd will still be extremely hazardous. That is to say, even if all of our weakest compatriots die off and the survivors gain the resistance needed to fight off the worst effects of the disease, the covid drama will continue indefinitely.

At the very least, this means the end of the empire's economy, which means the end of the empire. There will be an exodus of roughly half of America's scientific and high tech workforce as those workers face declining wages and living conditions and the prospect of having to quarantine for weeks whenever they want to visit their homelands. Our top academics will head to other institutions outside the quarantine zone as our universities shutter whole departments and schools on their campuses. Without that cream of the tech crop that the US recruits from around the world, the "Shining City" will rust really fast. America will become a brutal backwater. Maybe not to the level of Mad Max, but parallels will be visible.

Meanwhile, China will continue to polish up its cities and raise its people's living standards. China will become the Shining Megacity on the Hill. It will be the place where the brightest scientists want to go to do their studies, and where the best engineers want to go to be part of the cutting edge. Chinese will become the most popular second language studied by school kids worldwide, like English is today. You want to study with the best then you learn putonghua (Chinese is actually easier to learn as a second language than is English, so students around the world will rejoice!).

America will eventually become the setting for post-apocalyptic adventure and survival movies/games. "Oh no! The plane my sister was on diverted and was forced to land at LAX due to computer problems (it was an old 737MAX). Let's armor up and equip with biohazard gear, grab the biggest guns we can afford, and try to find her in that wasteland of primitive sleeve-tattooed warring tribes!"

Well, I guess that is something to look forward to.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 9 2020 12:24 utc | 99

Google translation:

I think psychiatric researchers should seriously consider setting up a laboratory in Ukraine, given the level of madness among the country's elites, between journalists who accuse Russian colleagues of having put a curse on them, the recurrent announcements of Russian invasion nonexistent by Ukrainian officials, and now those who confuse the Russian Federation with the Russian Empire, there is much to study.

https://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/international/article/ukraine-valse-a-trois-temps-de-l-225616

Posted by: Mao | Jul 9 2020 13:13 utc | 100

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