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July 16, 2020
Open Thread 2020-56
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Gerontocracy: Message 4 b Posted by: Baron | Jul 16 2020 15:19 utc | 2 Two interesting essays from the Strategic Culture. Why it’s important to distinguish between cyber vs. physical attacks against Iran. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 16 2020 15:47 utc | 4 re: florida covid numbers Posted by: ptb | Jul 16 2020 16:33 utc | 5 Posted by: Baron | Jul 16 2020 15:19 utc | 2 Posted by: JC | Jul 16 2020 16:35 utc | 6 Richard S Hack: what meaning do you wish to convey when you put *asterisks* around words? Is the asterisk meant to function like “quotation” marks? This is not a smart ass question nor an attempt to be a grammar policeman. Posted by: Absurdio | Jul 16 2020 16:39 utc | 7 A smart man to pay attention to: Posted by: JB | Jul 16 2020 16:51 utc | 8 US Underestimates China’s Sustainability Posted by: JC | Jul 16 2020 16:53 utc | 9 Concerning microchips, China would never have gotten serious about going head-to-head with Intel and AMD without the threats to their supplies that have been getting lots of press. Why spend years and $billions to only get even with the market leaders when you can just buy what those current market leaders make for really cheap? Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 16 2020 17:07 utc | 10 Absurdio @7 Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 16 2020 17:13 utc | 11 I’ve heard the Egypt has made the decision to intervene militarily in Libya against Turkey and that the troops will cross the board in the next week or so now that the rival government in Tripoli (allied to Turkey) has declared their intentions to capture Sirte. Anyone have any news on that? Posted by: Kadath | Jul 16 2020 17:16 utc | 12 Corruption:
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 16 2020 17:07 utc | 10 Posted by: JC | Jul 16 2020 17:40 utc | 14 Another link to Huawei’s CFO Meng Wanzhou Posted by: JC | Jul 16 2020 17:47 utc | 15 JC @14: “China is not about winning but surviving the Americanism” Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 16 2020 18:07 utc | 16 Posted by: Kadath | Jul 16 2020 17:16 utc | 12 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 16 2020 18:16 utc | 17 A column by Philip GIRALDI who I consider a skeptic on most things is promoting the ‘mystique of Israel theme”
Wow, is there anything that Israel can’t do? One day, the Mossad can infiltrate and plant a bomb in Iran’s most sensitive military site and then disappear without a trace. Another day, they can fly an invisible Jet, and bomb another military target without Iran even being able to target and shoot down another passenger jet. If only the U.S. was this good. [#sarcasm: imitating the average FOX viewer, fawning over Israel is a primary trait] Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 16 2020 19:09 utc | 18 “Ben Norton Posted by: arby | Jul 16 2020 19:19 utc | 19 Craig Murray, brave Scottish blogger, former UK diplomat, is under sustained attack from the evil mess that the UK establishment has become. Posted by: Chris | Jul 16 2020 19:54 utc | 20 Interesting that kind of talk from Trump is completely accepted and not even a blink. He is talking about a country that has in no way threatened or done a damn thing to the US. Posted by: arby | Jul 16 2020 19:54 utc | 21 I considered the lemming mentality exhibited by the citizens of my community; my country, who are so willing to give up their rights, all because of a fear-mongering campaign, orchestrated by the UN, delivered by their puppet arm World Health Organization, in order to complete their New World Order Agendas 21/2030, as written by Canadian dirt napping Maurice Strong – BFF with communist Pee-Air, and the Jewish Nazi, George Soros. Posted by: jose | Jul 16 2020 20:24 utc | 22 “Cyber attacks” that turn out to actually be physical sabotage and killings are interesting. Makes one wonder what the limits are, given what the CIA is capable of. Posted by: BillB | Jul 16 2020 21:25 utc | 24 Early article debunking the UK Russian vaccine hack story: Posted by: ADKC | Jul 16 2020 22:20 utc | 25 @ jose | Jul 16 2020 20:24 utc | 22 Posted by: Lurk | Jul 16 2020 22:34 utc | 26 Christian J. Chuba 18 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 16 2020 22:56 utc | 27 Dude, given that 33% of COVID-19 patients are Black (that’s what we’ve been told during the corporate education session), your snide comments border on racist. Posted by: Jamie_nyc | Jul 16 2020 23:07 utc | 28 2Q GDP growth results for China “China’s Q2 GDP growth crushes Washington’s lies: Global Times editorial”: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 16 2020 23:09 utc | 29 William Gruff #10 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 17 2020 0:59 utc | 30 karlof1 #29 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 17 2020 1:08 utc | 31 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 16 2020 23:09 utc | 29 Posted by: JC | Jul 17 2020 1:33 utc | 32 JC @32– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2020 1:50 utc | 33 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 17 2020 0:59 utc | 30 Posted by: J W | Jul 17 2020 2:30 utc | 34 Bolivian coup leaders are requesting OAS intervention to prevent the national elections now scheduled for September, as it appears that MAS has retained its popularity and is poised to return to power. Posted by: jayc | Jul 17 2020 2:35 utc | 35 Below is a Xinhua link to a posting calling Pompeo lies Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17 2020 3:44 utc | 36 Below is another Xinhuanet link showing China developing multilateral relationships with other nations Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17 2020 4:42 utc | 37 Below is the last of my sharing of Xinhuanet postings for today and this one is about Russia/Iran…and posted in full Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17 2020 4:48 utc | 38 I watched CGTN TV live. Colorado having nightmares – shortage nurses and healthcare workers. I was thinking Colorado governor needs to do make direct call to Xi Jinping, and within 24-hrs airlift 40,000 seasons Covid-19 workers to Colorado, may be even include 1,000 beds’ hospitals. Posted by: JC | Jul 17 2020 4:55 utc | 39 Anybody? What is the status of Belarus color revolution? Posted by: Ed Svaya | Jul 17 2020 8:41 utc | 40 Posted by: Absurdio | Jul 16 2020 16:39 utc | 7 Richard S Hack: what meaning do you wish to convey when you put *asterisks* around words? Is the asterisk meant to function like “quotation” marks? This is not a smart ass question nor an attempt to be a grammar policeman. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 9:31 utc | 41 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 16 2020 22:20 utc | 25 Early article debunking the UK Russian vaccine hack story: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 9:34 utc | 42 Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 16 2020 17:13 utc | 11 Asterisks are probably habit. In Google+ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 9:36 utc | 43 Kissinger Posted by: denk | Jul 17 2020 9:38 utc | 44 Posted by: Lurk | Jul 16 2020 22:34 utc | 26 do you also seriously expect other people to believe that all the deaths and all the exhausted medical personnel in hard-hit areas worldwide are merely badly produced fakes? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 9:46 utc | 45 Remember Nacht und Nebel? Welcome to Amerikka… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 9:51 utc | 46 JC #39
Thank you for your good intentions with that proposal but I doubt the United States of Belligerent Intentions would do anything other than use such a visit as a means to take the entire team hostage at the first covid death. They would then use the entire farce USA legal apparatus to launch a civil claim against China. They would do everything possible screw the Chinese good will into a malevolent means to attack. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 17 2020 10:14 utc | 47 J W #34
My apologies J W but I don’t get that reference. Is there a link or could you elaborate for me. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 17 2020 10:22 utc | 48 Richard Steven Hack @42 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 17 2020 11:29 utc | 49 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 17 2020 11:29 utc | 49 The problem with your post is that you obscured the allegation which is that Russian “state sponsored hackers” have been attempting to steal “medical secrets” from British (i.e. UK) pharmaceutical researchers; i.e. you superimposed a US-centric viewpoint and buried what is a UK issue/allegation. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 11:47 utc | 50 This is related to the un-badged Federal officers riding around Portland snatching people off the streets like Hitler’s Gestapo… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 12:12 utc | 51
Well, sure. Antifa is black, boogaloo are white. So, cops – racist much? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 12:18 utc | 52 Just watched a video on Twitter of a guy on a bicycle in Portland riding down the street past a cop van. A cop literally *smashed* him off his bike and he was then jumped by at least four cops. Allegedly the biker was told to stay off the street and didn’t obey. Can’t see that justifying this level of assault. The “justification” noted below is the same crap cops always pull out. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 12:38 utc | 53 psychohistorian @37, You mean China has not become the Pariah state that the Neocons have laughed about? Oh wait, the link that you posted only refers to the Central Asian states. They don’t count. Neocons make their thunderous victory dance when countries like the U.K. tow the line. You know the 4 to 5 countries in the world that matter. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 17 2020 12:41 utc | 54 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 12:18 utc | 52 Posted by: LuBa | Jul 17 2020 13:36 utc | 55 1/ The problem with the OffGuardian piece by Knightley lies here: Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2020 13:42 utc | 56 Separating CPC from Chinese people for targeted attack a delusion of US elites Richard Steven Hack @50 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 17 2020 14:12 utc | 58 Fukushima localities speak out against dumping radioactive water in sea China Seizes Billion-Dollar Financial Firms Controlled by Mysterious Tycoon So timely. Posted by: Fog of War | Jul 17 2020 15:05 utc | 61 China wants the U.S. the go into another lockdown to destroy our economy I have been ignoring this headline for but it is getting so much airtime it has piqued my curiosity. Has anyone else noticed this or tracked down its origin? Did they bother to at least get this from a bogus Intelligence leak. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a Banonism or Peter Navarro statement now being reported as a fact. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 17 2020 15:23 utc | 62 China downplays Covid risk to … trick U.S. into ending all lockdowns to spread virus and infect more Americans. I am replying to myself in anticipation of the next Neocon headline. I am convinced that our Info warriors have a basket of contradictory headlines to anticipate any possible outcome. This is after all the only thing we are good at. Oh wait, we are also good at bribing other people to do bad things. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 17 2020 16:08 utc | 63 @62 Posted by: 450.org | Jul 17 2020 16:17 utc | 64 The more I observe the ongoing CV-crisis in “Ami-Land” the more I think it mirrors some sort of banana-republic where sophistication seems to be a foreign word, common sense is a declared enemy , factual status reports which should lead to certain necessary & smart politics and health-related decisions are impossible to implement because “Ami-Land’s” overall nation-specific-delusions have reach a point of no return regardless of which party is involved in a mostly corrupt pseudo-democracy; ruled by a pseudo-two-party-system which in reality is an ONE-PARTY-BLOCK constantly advancing its ELITE in everything in gross contrast to its vast majority of working people, whatever color, whatever so called normal job, small buisness they may have or lead…. they are all constantly – like the Germans say ‘ANGESCHMIERT’ meaning ‘smeared and pranked’ by their very own reigning Posted by: Ashino | Jul 17 2020 16:35 utc | 66 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 17 2020 14:12 utc | 58 You take issue with my use of the word “debunked” and omit that I preceded this with the phrase an “Early article…”. You are perhaps over focussed on a “word”. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 16:43 utc | 67 The war crimes being committed by the global financial elite against Americans need to be prosecuted. Posted by: snake | Jul 17 2020 16:56 utc | 68 Very interesting article by a Ph.D. in Southeast Asia, Australia and Oceania History: Richard Steven Hack @67 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 17 2020 17:43 utc | 70 China refuses to be baited and will continue to do its development and extended plans. That’s been the continuous message sent almost daily by official Chinese press editorials like this one: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2020 17:45 utc | 71 @ CHYYNNA.org | Jul 17 2020 16:17 utc | 64 Posted by: Lurk | Jul 17 2020 18:02 utc | 72 bevin @56– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2020 18:40 utc | 73 What do you think b? Are you ready to reconsider your stance on HCQ?
!! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 17 2020 18:40 utc | 74 Apparently Putin has ordered ‘snap’ military drills in the Black and Caspian seas. It couldn’t have anything to do with the out of the blue Azerbaijani aggression towards Armenia could it? The very aggression that Erdogan seems so desperate to get involved in. Only today he said that Turkey’s “missiles, air defence systems, tanks are at Azerbaijani’s command”! Posted by: AtaBrit | Jul 17 2020 18:59 utc | 75 Strangely, Bloomberg News has found and publishes a video clip of Trump calling Epstein’s Island a “cellpool” and acknowledging that it could be a political problem for Hillary. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 17 2020 19:01 utc | 76 jesus, they’re really going after craig murray. First the trumped up bogus charges regarding his reporting on the alex salmond trial, now they’re blocking him from joining the journalists’ union. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 17 2020 19:16 utc | 77 @77 pretzelattack… it is pretty disgusting how low the UK has sunk… it is no coincidence the focus on assange which craig murray has also highlighted, dovetails here in a gov’t+intel agency+whatever else – integrity initiative and etc, busy exposing themselves for the complete hypocrites they are… this is more icing on the same cake.. Posted by: james | Jul 17 2020 19:45 utc | 78 Trump’s “Secret Police” activities in Portland, Oregon might force governor Kate Brown to call out the National Guard to rid Portland of the illegal Federal Agents who are clearly violating their oath of service–adherence to and protection of the US Constitution. This article says Oregon’s being used as a test case. This is the earlier article I linked to above. Excerpt: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2020 20:33 utc | 79 bevin #66 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 17 2020 20:52 utc | 80 karlof1 79 “BLM is linked to a regime change NGO founded by Gene Sharp, which clearly raises the intrigue level and signals the possibility that this is much bigger than what it seems.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2020 20:53 utc | 81 Peter AU 1 @81– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2020 21:38 utc | 82 Ethiopia and Egypt are angry about water they might learn to share. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 17 2020 21:50 utc | 83 JC at 6: Posted by: Baron | Jul 17 2020 22:06 utc | 84 karlof1 82 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 17 2020 22:37 utc | 85 Peter AU 1 @85– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2020 23:06 utc | 86 Sputnik has picked up the story and published this that IMO fails to detail how tense the situation is between city and state officials and the Feds sent by Trump clearly as provocateurs. There’s no specific byline, so I doubt the reporting was done from Portland. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2020 23:18 utc | 87 Posted by: ADKC | Jul 17 2020 17:43 utc | 70 it was you that choose to respond to my post and obscure the point I wanted to make. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 17 2020 23:54 utc | 88 Well, this is precisely what I’ve been worried about since Trump was elected… (Unfortunately the article is at BusinessInsider, which requires turning off your ad blocker – I’d advise doing so, then turning it back on and restarting your browser.) Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 18 2020 0:06 utc | 89 @89 Richard Steven Hack Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2020 0:33 utc | 90 @79 karlof1 Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2020 1:34 utc | 91 @ Grieved | Jul 18 2020 1:34 utc | 91 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2020 1:51 utc | 92 Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2020 0:33 utc | 90 Posted by: JC | Jul 18 2020 1:57 utc | 93 @92 psychohistorian Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2020 2:03 utc | 94 @ Greived Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 18 2020 3:07 utc | 95 Baron #2 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 18 2020 3:24 utc | 96 @95 Peter Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2020 4:14 utc | 97 Below is a Xinhuanet posting Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2020 6:17 utc | 98 Below is another Xinhuanet posting that shows escalation in the war of words Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2020 6:18 utc | 99 Below is a quote from a Reuters article about the Portland, Oregon situation Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2020 6:35 utc | 100 |
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