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July 02, 2020

Open Thread 2020-52

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Posted by: Russ | Jul 3 2020 6:04 utc | 97

Rancourt is BS. I discussed his opinion in the last virus thread. Go look it up.

Then STFU.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 6:33 utc | 101

Maxwell's arrest makes me wonder if it is not about Trump throwing down the gauntlet?

Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 6:51 utc | 102

Another example of what hackers *might* able to do... (PSA: I have *no* idea whether *any* of this information is correct - but wouldn't it be great if it was?)

Anonymous and OpDeathEaters begin massive expose of powerful child rape ring, big names set to be dropped
"Hollywood, Disney, Goldman Sachs, Bitcoin, Epstein child trafficking networks exposed," Anonymous tweeted

This is a thread about Marc Collins-Rector and the powerful child rape ring which extends from the BBS era to the cryptocurrency era with ties throughout entertainment and silicon valley, from Disney executives to crypto circles and social media. #opDeathEaters

Featuring: Bryan Singer, Gary Goddard, Jeffrey Sachs, Mitchell Blutt, David Neuman, David Geffen, Sandy Gallin, Terry Semel, Michael Huffington, Garth Ancier, Gary Gersh, John Silva, Marc Nathanson, Steve Bannon, Jeffrey Epstein, Al Seckel and more.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 6:51 utc | 103

JC #72

I get that Tucker invites good a reasonable people on his show and gives voice space where they would not otherwise get it. That is deliberate.

I bet you that the stats show that the demented monotone oozing out of MSNBC and CNN etc has been a serious turn off for a sector of audience that is well informed and exercise critical faculties. That is exactly what Tucker needs to pay for his program as I would be fairly sure these people are Consumers of a desirable degree and advertisers like Tucker's formula and Fox Bosses like Tuckers income generator.

I don't think it is more complex than that and his bosses will entertain most heresies as long as the program generates advertiser demand for that time slot.

So Tucker is OK and he is reasonable and he will interview a broad spectrum. Good for him. But he smooths the pillow and caresses the establishment arse.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 6:53 utc | 104

France is preparing to train Saudi soldiers in a specially built camp!
(the picture illustrates a raid of the "Saudi-led coalition" on a Houthi prison in Yemen, i.e. supposedly on their own local allies or so-called 'freedom fighters')
And here about the latest Saudi bombings on Saada and Sanaa

Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 6:59 utc | 105

Vietnam supports HKSAR Basic Law, related regulations

"Hong Kong affairs are China's internal affairs, Vietnamese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Le Thi Thu Hang said on China's newly adopted law on safeguarding national security in the HKSAR."

Holy cow Vietnam, after Cuba the 53 countries welcoming the adoption of the law on Safeguarding National Security in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR). Vietnam better watches your arse Uncle Sam need to re-liberated Vietnam again?

Your previous civil war not over yet, there are hundred thousand’s unexploded ordinances and horrible Orange Angle residues in the forest Vietnam. You may need China assistance this time around,China does not interfere with others States affairs.... blessed China...

Posted by: JC | Jul 3 2020 7:01 utc | 106

Elon Musk is apparently also an idiot...

From cryptography expert Matthew Green on Twitter:

Matthew Green
Christ, I expect this kind of idiocy from random Reddit bot accounts.

Quote Tweet
Elon Musk @elonmusk · Jun 29
Replying to @geekwire
There are a ridiculous number of false positive C19 tests, in some cases ~50%. False positives scale linearly with # of tests. This is a big part of why C19 positive tests are going up while hospitalizations & mortality are declining. Anyone who tests positive should retest.
4:54 PM · Jul 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Matthew Green @matthew_d_green 7h
Watching Musk go into not-even-creative COVID denialism makes me think things must be really dire for Tesla’s actual business, stock price aside.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 7:04 utc | 107

Mina #101

Maxwell's arrest makes me wonder if it is not about Trump throwing down the gauntlet?

Thank you Mina, yes that or the deep state throwing down the gauntlet. I don't think we can assume that Trump actually has control of the FBI. If he did he would likely have deep sixed the Democrazis through the Awan family spy and blackmail scam. But he didn't. They and Debbie Wasserman Shultz were protected/had dirt on DT.

If the kiddy fiddlers get outed following Ghislaine dropping some of her likely thousands of hours of home movies then that includes Trump and Biden. In the fetid atmosphere of accusations against pussy grabbers and finger f#ckers and hair sniffers neither could survive. The pack will run rabid.

Is there a woman in the house?

Yes, they cried AND she has experience!!

Plus the campaign will be televised and it would be a virtual campaign because Covid. No need to rig audience, the polls or the balllot.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 7:08 utc | 108

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 6:53 utc | 103

"I get that Tucker...... gives voice space where they would not otherwise get it." That is deliberate.

"So Tucker is OK and he is reasonable and he will interview a broad spectrum. Good for him. But he smooths the pillow and caresses the establishment arse."

G'day uncle that being said still doesn't justify me to supports Tucker, but me more interested what his progressive guests had to said. Old stories or maybe breaking news

Posted by: JC | Jul 3 2020 7:13 utc | 109

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 7:08 utc | 107 Yes, they cried AND she has experience!!

What if they find Hillary on those tapes?

Wouldn't it be great if *anyone* they put forward turns up on those tapes?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 7:16 utc | 110

Both Epstein and his spotter were nothing more than consumables that thought they were were players. I'm not sure what the tabloid interest in this pair of clowns is all about.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2020 7:19 utc | 111

Re 'the pair' and CHOP
If you are unable to get the name straight, perhaps you should be a bit more reluctant to comment. Especially reactionary 60s rhetoric?

Posted by: Carol Davidek-Waller | Jul 3 2020 7:43 utc | 112

Libya's largest oil field is in good hands and likely production will get underway soon.

Kiss your arse goodbye USA the oil price is low and staying there.

Thanks to Russian private military team

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:10 utc | 113

Thank you, bemildred@60 and Grieved @ 75! Bravo, Mongolia! And bravo Indi! That article brings tears to my eyes, it really does. I see there are other successes listed also, below.



Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 8:16 utc | 114

Richard Steven Hack #109

Wouldn't it be great if *anyone* they put forward turns up on those tapes?

Thanks RSH, that's what I think will unfold. The Untouchables and no Elliot Ness to burnish the reputation of any law enforcement.

Then again perhaps the Ghislaine Maxwell arresting officer is being prepped for the role and will be the new clean-shaven hero. Eat ya heart out Strzok.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:17 utc | 115

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2020 7:19 utc | 110 I'm not sure what the tabloid interest in this pair of clowns is all about.

"Tabloids" and "sex scandal". What part of that isn't obvious?

The real interest is in who else can be brought down as a result, and what (and who) did the Deep State's game involve?

The rest of it is the usual conspiracy theory about "the whole world is run by pedophiles", which I couldn't care less about. The fact that so many people are obsessed with that conspiracy theory says a lot about them, but nothing about the facts.

The question now is: How do they stop Ghislaine from testifying? Having her "commit suicide" in her cell with all the cell block cameras off starts to look a little, I don't know, "blatant", wouldn't one think?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 8:19 utc | 116

Sorry, that was Grieved @ 78, and yes, Grieved @ 84, truly a wondrous poem! I also have been inspired by Kierkegaard from having to do a paper on his 'Philosophical Fragments' way way back in the day. I loved what he said about Socrates (sorry I can't quote it) but mainly too his expression of the entry of Christ into the world as being when eternity touches time, so it radiates both forward and back as being the 'now' of 'now and ever and unto ages of ages' so that the spiritual wisdom of the ancients also partook of the light. The college person I was hadn't ever thought along those lines but it is something like leaving one's mind as a signpost - Kierkegaard did that for me.

A fragment of the poem was at the blog I posted, so I went searching for the entire piece and it was worth the search.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 8:30 utc | 117

Houthis in Yemen are progressively circling ISIS and could soon have them in a cauldron if
this map is worthy.

That will give the USAI some grief. They might have to send the choppers in and airlift the ISIS implant to al Tanf.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:37 utc | 118

Richard Steven Hack #115

The question now is: How do they stop Ghislaine from testifying? Having her "commit suicide" in her cell with all the cell block cameras off starts to look a little, I don't know, "blatant", wouldn't one think?

Well, blatant is not a concept that the oligarch class actually feel any problem with. Think $SIX TRILLION in six months. These turds do blatant for breakfast and then order seconds.

I guess a big fine and thrown out of the country would work. The englanders or the occupiers of Palestine could send a jet to pick her up. Poland looks like a nice vacation spot in the summer and they are very cooperative and I understand they have overcome their antipathy with people like Ghislaine.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:46 utc | 119

My last comment on Kierkegaard was for Nemesis Calling @ 61. And to those who got a bad taste from their exposure to Christianity (so called), you might be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. If that were all it was, I would join you. It's a bit like BLM being co-opted by the Democratic Party. If that can happen in politics, you bet it happens in religion!

If you read Dostoievski carefully you will find that he considers atheists to be very truthful and admirable persons in a religious sense. They are asking the right questions. Religion isn't fake; some religionists are. But that's for a different blog than this one.

Yay, Mongolia!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 8:53 utc | 120

Peter AU1 #110

Both Epstein and his spotter were nothing more than consumables that thought they were were players. I'm not sure what the tabloid interest in this pair of clowns is all about.

Ghislaine Maxwell and Les Wexner are the boss and Epstein was the CEO at their bidding. Wexner GAVE Epstein the Manhatten apartment. That is a five story large building and it was already fully fitted out with recording gear from the handover day. They don't come cheap. This was one of the biggest, deliberate global entrapment rackets the world has seen. Ghislaine was the handler and Wexner the financier and front man.

But I am just an observer and if you want the gritty stuff then tune in to Whitney Webb and listen to her take on this. She has been revealing an immense amount of evidence and links since Epstein was first arrested 3? years ago. I am about to do that myself.

I don't give a flat rock what the MSM thinks or does in this case.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:55 utc | 121

But I can't resist Hoarsewhisperer's 'pie in the sky' comment - not true! See:

"...Once in infinite existence, measured neither by time nor by space, a certain spiritual being, through his appearance on earth, was granted the ability to say to himself, "I am, and I love." Once, once only, he was given a moment of active, living love, and for that he was given earthly life with its times and seasons..." [Father Zossima 's discourses, 'The Brothers Karamazov']

Do you see? It's life on earth that is the great gift, not pie in the sky! That's the Russian religious concept. That's Putin's religion!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 9:06 utc | 122

The Maxwell trial will be a carefully choreographed nothing burger !
The delay in bringing her to justice, was so as to plan and negotiate the details. To the satisfaction of all concerned.
Letting the likes of prince Andrew and Clinton’s and Trump off the hook regarding any incriminating evedence.
So who is running the show (answer) Israel and their lobby groups.
Q. What’s on the table ? Power, money and territory! As always.
This is harvest time for Israel I’m afraid !
(Oh and) ——— In my opinion.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 9:23 utc | 123

The Maxwell trial for the show and the annexation in the background? With no cash allowed to flow to the axis of resistance (no banks, no planes, no Gulf expats enabled to bring in cash without the virus risk?).

The BBC article had an interesting snippet about Andrew, at the very end of the article: "Asked about the prince on Thursday, acting Attorney Strauss said: "I am not going to comment on anyone's status in this investigation but I will say that we would welcome Prince Andrew coming in to talk with us, we would like to have the benefit of his statement."

A source close to Prince Andrew's lawyers told BBC News: "The Duke's team is bewildered by the DoJ's [Department of Justice's] comments earlier today as we have twice reached out to them in the last month and have received no reply.""

Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 9:37 utc | 124

Jalp @ 74
Asks ——- Mark2 May I call you a green ?
Answer——- yes at heart, But although the greens have been totaly right in all respects policy wise, they have always lacked the teeth and fight to win elections. As their up against such a powerful foe. At present they seem to be devided over the ‘mask’ issue. I’m a winner not a loser !
No I’m much much more scary than a green much more powerful to !
Yes you guest it ! I’m the public, there are billions of me. And we are on the march. We are unpredictable, we fight on all platforms and in the street they can’t stop us and won’t !
At present we are the ‘demolition party’ later we will rebuild.
Thanks for asking.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 9:48 utc | 125

NemesisCalling @ 28

I agree that globalism is/will be heading into the dumpers, but I see no chance that US-based manufacturing is going to make any significant come-back.

The world's economy is in contraction. Although capital, what actual capital exists, will have to try and do something "productive," it is confronted by this fact, that everything is facing contraction. During times of contraction it's a game of acquisition rather than expanding capacity: the sum total is STILL contraction; and the contraction WILL be a reduction in excess, excess manufacturing and labor.

What market will there be for US-manufactured goods? US "consumers" are heavily in debt and facing continued downward pressures on income. China is self-sufficient (enough) other than energy (which can be acquired outside of US markets). Most every other country is in a position of declining wealth (per capita income levels peaked and in decline). And manufacturing continues to increase its automation (less workers means less consumers).

There will certainly be, especially given the eye-opener of COVID-19, a big push to have medical (which includes associated tech) production capacities reinvigorated in the US. One has to look at this in The Big Picture of what it means, and that's that the US population is aging (and in poor health). More "disposable" income goes toward medical expenditures. Less money goes toward creating export items; wealth creation only occurs through a positive increase in balance of trade. And on the opposite end of the spectrum, death, the US will likely continue, for the mid-term, to export weaponry; but, don't expect enough growth here to mean much (margins will drop as competition increases, so figure downward pressure on net export $$).

Lastly, and it's the reason why global trade is being knocked down, is that the planet cannot comply with our economic model's dependency on perpetual growth: there can NOT be perpetual growth on a finite planet. US manufacturing requires, as it always has, export markets; requires ever-increasing exports: this is really true for all others. Higher standards of living in the US (and add in increasing medical costs which factor into cost of goods sold) means that the price of US-manufactured goods will be less affordable to peoples outside of the US. And here too is the fact that other countries' populations are also aging. Years ago I dove into the demographics angle/assessment to find out that ALL countries ramp and age and that you can see countries' energy consumption rise and their their net trade balance swing negative- there's a direct correlation: go to the CIA's Factbook and look at demographics and energy and the graphs tell the story. I'll also note that the notion of there being a cycle, a parabolic curve, in civilizations is well noted/documented in Sir John Glubb's The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival (you can find electronic bootlegged copies on the Internet)- HIGHLY recommended reading!

All of this is pretty much reflected in Wall Street companies ramp-ups in stock-buy-backs. That's money that's NOT put in R&D or expansion. I'm pretty sure that the brains in all of this KNOW what the situation is: growth is never coming back.

MANY years ago I stated that we will one day face "economies of scale in reverse." We NEVER considered that growth couldn't continue forever. There was never a though about what would happen with the reverse "of economies of scale." Make no mistake, what we're facing is NOT another recession or depression, it's not part of what we think as a downturn in the "business cycle," as though we'll "pull out of it," it's basically an end to the super-cycle. We will never be able to replicate the state of things as they are. We are at the peak (slightly past peak, but not far enough to realize it yet) and there is no returning. Per-capita income and energy consumption have peaked. There's not enough resources and not enough new demand (younger people, people that have wealth) to keep the perpetual growth machine going.

Posted by: Seer | Jul 3 2020 10:34 utc | 126

Just to add to my above ———
Are the elites scared of the greens ?
Are the elites scared of the truth ?
Are the elites scared of 7 billion members of the public ?
They should be, and they’l have a job banning us as an organisation!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 10:38 utc | 127

vk @ 34

I think that that was a very concise appraisal. But, to further condense:

It's a matter of power consolidating. ALL groups wield power. The larger religious organizations will look to either push out the govt or control the govt. I won't necessarily say this is all nefarious, rather, it's just the "natural" way of groups: assimilation and growth is, with little exceptions, always the path.

As resources dwindle (on a per-capita basis) there is increased struggles to consolidate power, power to control resources (which require controlling people).

Religion provides a guide for how to deal with a Donner Party scenario: eat or be eaten.

Posted by: Seer | Jul 3 2020 10:45 utc | 128

From the end of the article
"Another team at Taiwan’s Institute of Chemistry has also succeeded in synthesizing 100mg of remdesivir.

The synthesized drug cannot be used without the consent of a US pharmaceutical firm that manufactures remdesivir. It was reported that Taiwan was negotiating a technology transfer deal to start mass production of the antiviral drug.

Remdesivir is a novel drug developed by the California-based Gilead Sciences as a treatment for Ebola virus and Marburg virus infections, and it has subsequently been found to show antiviral activity against other viruses."

Just when Ebola is "declared" over in Africa, and when the US buys all the stockpile? To select where next it is allowed to continue in Africa?

Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 10:48 utc | 129

The Russian Constitution Was Projected Onto the US Embassy Building in Moscow

The organisers projected an image of the cover of the Russian Constitution against the background of Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, and the inscription “1993. It was yours…” Then there is an image of the Russian people and the message “2020. It will be ours!”, followed by a call to come to vote, was projected on the building of the US Embassy. The light projection was organised by the art group “Re:Venge”.

Ha, I really like this one ! Would have loved to watch 'das dumme Gesicht' (something like >>stupid face<< but stronger. like the Germans say) of the latest Trump's edition of silly ambassadors, lol !!!

Posted by: Ashino | Jul 3 2020 11:20 utc | 130

Trump pardon Lt Clint Lorance story. We all have our preferred narratives, 'split second decision' vs. 'yet another war criminal' but these cases must always be judged individually on the specific facts. by: Christian J. Chuba @ 6 <== USA, like so many governments in NATO, have become full blown criminal enterprises?

1.5 billion people transformed ... Anyone supporting/defending [Egregious, rapacious violence] is complicit. by: @ 17 and Trump has been great for everyone and everything BUT AMERICA.

Corporate warriors vs the right of 8,000,000,000 nation state governed humans to live a quality life. juliania @ 113 <=satellite did not activiate infectivity in Mangolia.. (maybe because it was too cold, but probably because the instigators of the infections ignored Mangolia)/ Covid 19 man made, satellite activated in target areas and more

Italian fascist style corporatism (corporatism as in "corpus" or "body" with the ruling class and working class "cooperating" as if a single organism - think also of the post-WW2 situation between unions and corporations in America that was tore asunder with the advent of neoliberal policy, which itself was a response to a prevailing institutional rot that was dragging down corporate profits). by fnord @ 22 thanks.

Christianity's origins and history are steeped in violence. CitizenX @ 33.. <=I can't hear you, please say that louder.. The socioeconomic process religion represents [could produce a] - an extremely virulent, fundamentalist and nihilist (and thus very dangerous) Fascist USA empire. by: vk @ 34 <= religion power <=is vested in the destroy what is not me response. It works like an immune system.

The Christian right is, however, far more organized and vocal now than in decades past, in no small part because the Republican-aligned section of the capitalist class is—hearkening back to the Sinclair Lewis quote""When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.""—relying on them as a mass base in their rearguard action. Vintage Red @ 75.. that quote should be changed to say "When the PTB tell the uSA to put fascism into play, the USA proxy will be instructed to wrap the evil, in a flag, and make those the USA governs, bear the cross."

Now US 'files suit' in a district court to give their military authorization for Peter AU1 @ 20

like all national leaders [Trump] surrounds himself with people who have pledged to die on his behalf, make the ultimate sacrifice and all that. not from love, from duty, but no matter. by: jason @ 12
<=confirming what 6 points out..its time for the people of the world to wake up.. they have been divided the people into 256 separate nation states amd imprisoned them by rule of law enforced by monopoly of mafia power vested in the oligarchs..

thanks for your link satellite infection was not applied to mongolia
Bemildred @ 60

by: vk 67 <==WWI and WWII were fought by the western powers and Russia against Germany and the Ottoman Empire for the benefit of the privately held oil and gas companies who are whereever there is oil. The Congress of the USA was intentionally improperly informed and led to overthrow the strong prohibition which protected Americans from well understood corporate exploitation <= Article I, Section 9 paragraph [4]. It was summarily overthrown by the 16th amendment, February 3, 1913, (Also the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and the Federal Income Tax of 1913) so that the USA could act as a conduit to force its taxpayers to guarantee the central bank (the federal reserve and its member banks) against anticipated losses for lending to broke warrior nations and to corrupt providers and suppliers who would supply the European in on it nations with war materials and manpower. The oil companies were trying to deprive the people of the Ottoman empire of their land rights, so that the privately owned oil interest, who promoted the various allied nations to go to war, could take the oil from beneath the Ottoman Soil. Also since Germany was strongly positioned both economically and by entrenchment with the Ottoman, Germany was made the fall guy. suggest you acknowledge the aspirations of the oil and gas interest produced the reason for both WWI and WWII.

Posted by: snake | Jul 3 2020 11:48 utc | 131

JC are u singaporean

Posted by: milomilo | Jul 3 2020 11:49 utc | 132

Former New Hampshire resident here.

Bradford is much like that general area of the state, only quieter. Chances are you know all your neighbors and have an idea about everyone else in town.
The average resident is older than most of the state. They have an idea of all the doings in town.
I spent 5 years 15 minutes north of Bradford. It was filled with old money, retired people and a healthy consumption of alcohol and cocaine. The people were retired but bored.
That location is interesting as you are in the middle of nowhere, but you are minutes from lakes, quiet restaurants and a major highway (I-84) that can bring you to the Capitol of NH or Into Vermont in less than an hour. You are also very close to a semi major airport in Manchester.
Buying a large tract of land like Maxwell did would have had the whole town curious as to who acquired it. This would have been investigated. If it was a shell company the whole town would have been watching all movement in town. Any strangers would have been discussed and researched. All that said, it is still a quiet community where people will hold other’s secrets from the outside. Sounds like someone let the secret out a year ago and the government has been watching.

Posted by: Slat | Jul 3 2020 12:01 utc | 133

New Hampshire is one creepy-ass place. Occultist, in fact. THEE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT that shaped the world post WWII took place in bucolic, sleepy New Hampshire away from prying eyes and inquisitive journalists back in a time when there were still a few inquisitive journalists. In advance, I apologize if this post is boring and uncreative. Pat Lang's operatives are insatiable and nothing I do will ever suffice. Can you imagine an evening with that egomaniacal blowhard dullard? I couldn't. I'd end up strangling him one hour into it if not sooner and same goes for his admiring acolytes of which there are many, apparently, some of whom pretend to be his critics in order to gain intel.

The Bretton Woods Conference, formally known as the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, was the gathering of 730 delegates from all 44 Allied nations at the Mount Washington Hotel, situated in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, United States, to regulate the international monetary and financial order after the conclusion of World War II.[1]

The conference was held from July 1 to 22, 1944. Agreements were signed that, after legislative ratification by member governments, established the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Also, don't forget, one of the original first-reported alien abduction events took place in New Hampshire, so, if there really are visitors to this planet, a dubious notion, they like New Hampshire so maybe that's why The Bretton Woods Conference was held in New Hampshire. One of many reasons. Maybe the CIA are really The Greys. You never know. They certainly aren't human, that's for sure.

Aboard A Flying Saucer: The Adventures Of Two "Kidnapped" Humans

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 12:25 utc | 134

"The current work suggests that while the G614 variant may be more infectious, it is not more pathogenic. There is a hope that as SARS-CoV-2 infection spreads, the virus might become less pathogenic,"

i.e. that if schools had been left open, it would have spread and became less pathogenic earlier.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 12:57 utc | 135

... Wexner GAVE Epstein the Manhatten apartment.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:55 utc | 120

It reminds me when I graduated and were looking for a job. University of Alaska at Fairbanks -- a bit too cold (not the warm coast of Pacific Ocean, but a sub-Arctic climate). Manhatten State University -- can one afford an apartment there? Surprisingly affordable! On the other hand, to get to a city you drive a few hours and you get to Tulsa. If you never heard about Tulsa you do not have to regret much. BTW, if you look for a place to live, make sure to ask how it would fare in a tornado.

So Manhatten does exist, but it does not resemble Manhattan.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 13:03 utc | 136


you have given me a morning synchronicity, just read about how Aleister Crowley did a 4 month retreat in New Hampshire:

It’s a quaint little house by a quaint little church in a quaint little town in the Lakes Region of New Hampshire, and it would be impossible to know just by looking at it that it once hosted the Wickedest Man Alive and sheltered all manner of magical shenanigans. But it did.

Aleister Crowley was born in England in 1875. He was a famous occultist, media personality and libertine. But in the summer of 1916, he needed a vacation – except he called it a magical retirement, because a man like him would never do anything so mundane as vacation. He chose Hebron, New Hampshire, to get away from it all because he had an acquaintance there, a psychic by the name of Evangeline Adams.

He stayed at her cabin and read, wrote, and thought about the universe, canoed on what was then known as Lake Pasquany and is now Newfound Lake, crucified and ate a frog, performed a ritual designed to end Christianity, was visited by a phantom fireball, started to formulate his Star Sponge vision, in which he postulated that the universe is “nothingness with twinkles,” and practiced some sex magick.

It was good times there in that little cabin in the summer of 1916.

His sojourn in New Hampshire lasted about four months, after which he left refreshed and ready to transgress the social and religious mores of contemporary Western society.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 3 2020 13:18 utc | 137

New Hampshire is one creepy-ass place. Occultist, in fact. THEE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT that shaped the world post WWII took place in bucolic, sleepy New Hampshire away from prying eyes and inquisitive journalists back in a time when there were still a few inquisitive journalists.
------- | Jul 3 2020 12:25 utc

In my opinion, the impact of Bretton Woods agreement was much more limited than many people think because of over-estimating the impact of "monetary principles". Nowadays they matter more, but back then, for decades nations had an option to function outside the rules designed by the West. Additionally, I highly recommend New Hampshire as a vacation destination. Bretton Woods location is very pretty. the hotel is not cheap but you can affordably stay in a camp ground a short ride away (at least 20-30 years ago).

Nowadays NH has a progressive senator, certain Shaheen. Her specialty is in "bipartisan initiatives" (when you hear "bipartisan", run for the hills, which are nice and plentiful in NH). When you check "Shaheen news" you see bipartisan this, bipartisan that. Often it is something (probably) harmless, like rules to spay cats in a humane manner. But

July 02, 2020
A bipartisan coalition of U.S. Senators has pulled back the curtain on Russia’s quiet march to expand its regional influence by way of energy infrastructure. More, and welcome, legislation is under consideration in an effort to halt Russia’s Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline project through sanctions against the Russians and auxiliary companies supporting its completion. If completed, the Nord Stream 2 project will serve as a geopolitical weapon to expand Russia’s influence in Western Europe and undermine American national security efforts with key allies.

Introduced by Texas Senator Ted Cruz, the Protecting Europe’s Energy Security Clarification Act aims to keep Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin from being able to circumvent active sanctions against the project. This latest bill is an expansion of measures passed in the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act that co-sponsor Senator Jeanne Shaheen described as ensuring “Russia does not surreptitiously extend its malign influence throughout Europe,” and protecting the Ukraine, Europe’s energy independence, and American allies from Russian exploitation.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 13:30 utc | 138


Sure, certainly its initial impact wasn't as immediate as monetary principles & policy enacted and implemented today, but its significance is that it got the ball rolling toward the globalization we know today. It was a "build it and they will come" moment. They built it, laid the groundwork, and the global economy came. Did it ever. To the detriment of the living planet.

NAFTA coupled with China opening up to the West and more specifically availing its prodigious slave labor force to American vulture capitalist manufacturers, was the nitrous that kicked the whole thing into hypersonic.

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 13:37 utc | 139

Actually the Hill case wasn't the first.

Check this timeline at Wikipedia. The Hill case can be considered "canonical", but not the earliest. There was also a "cow abduction" by an "airship" back in the 1800's, IIRC.

I used to hang out with journalist John A. Keel back in the late '60s and early '70s. He was probably the most logical and thorough UFO researcher ever, drawing on his journalism experience. He was a "real" journalist, not like these clowns we have these days. I even investigated the classic "Mothman" case in West Virgina while I was on leave while in the Army around 1969. They made a movie, called "The Mothman Prophecies" starring Richard Gere, about that based on Keel's book.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 3 2020 13:18 utc | 136

Yes, I've read his "autohagiography". He spent time in New York City and an island 80 miles north in New York, too, IIRC, as well as elsewhere in the States.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 13:45 utc | 140

Ain't planning to go there but Bradford New Hampshire as portrayed by various barflies involuntarily recalls to my mind the delightful Jack the devil Nicholson's picture " The witches of Eastwick ", doesn't it?

Posted by: willie | Jul 3 2020 13:51 utc | 141


I'm not interested in Crowly's words, I'm interested in the perceived and/or actual impacts of his occult belief system on other people, institutions, and society. those people/institutions include Jack Parsons (jet propulsion laboratory) L. Ron Hubbard, the scientology offshoot Process Church, which connects to Manson and Son of Sam with a Jolly West CIA line straight to Sidney Gottlieb and MK Ultra, Yeats, OTO, Damien Echols and the celebrity fervor to free this sociopathic killer, the Beatles/Rolling Stones Tavistock social engineering experiments, and maybe, ultimately, the Fabian society.

that is what interests me. also, poetry.

cases, not deaths
a blending of tests
brazen deception w/
mind-bomber vests

zipped into brains
and set to explode
a second wave coming
do what you’re told

do not ask questions
the word itself
has been removed
from the cranial shelf

the spikes of the virus
are ready to stab
the scientist smiles
inside his dark lab

Posted by: lizard | Jul 3 2020 13:58 utc | 142

Lizard @ all the above
And didn’t Alister Crowley daughter go on to become Mrs George Bush !
I beleave so. In wich case (pun intended) isn’t it strange how History goes round in circles. Given Maxwell turning up there. Her farther being being well ‘ Israel !!’

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 14:11 utc | 143

Russ @97 Three of the studies covered the issue of surgical mask vs space helmet to protect the healthcare worker except one. The ONE link that addressed the issue of masks to protect spreading infections in the general population said the following

"There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected."

Okay there was the Japanese study which tried to measure the same thing but the study was so poor, it should be disregarded. It followed 32 healthcare workers for 77 days and not during an epidemic. One in each group got a cold.

In short there is nothing in these studies that invalidates the assertion that mask wearing prevents the sick person from spreading the virus to the healthy person. There is no claim that it directly protects the healthy person.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 14:15 utc | 144

@ Posted by: Seer | Jul 3 2020 10:45 utc | 127

Yes, I agree: Christianism, as is with the other religions (Islamism, Judaism and Buddhism), thrive in poverty and misery. That's why many Christians here are commemorating the impoverishment of the USA as a new opportunity for their religion: in order for the USA to re-Christianize, it will have to get poorer and more isolated (the death of "globalism").


@ juliania

I don't understand your argument: there are a lot of Christians in Wall Street, too. The Kock brothers (and their father) are also ardent Christians. Christianism has a long history of extermination and intolerance: why don't give those atrocities the same weight as the atrocities committed in the name of something else? Or does Christianism always have the benefit of the doubt?

People nowadays still like to condemn socialism because of two famines -- periodical famines, that happened every 25 years or so in Russia and China -- that happened during socialist rules ("Holodomor" and the Great Leap Forward). But Christianism can always be rehabilitated for some reason, regardless of the countless genocides and schisms it caused.

As Marx once well said: religion is the "Opium des Volkes".


Now on generic news - or, rather I say, "news":

Is there actually ANYTHING conservative about Boris Johnson’s Tories? From culture to the economy, they’re drifting ever leftwards

I can already imagine the behind-the-scenes of the Boris Johnson government. I goes more or less like this:

"Guys! The British economy is in tatters and, to top it off, there's a pandemic laying waste out there! We need, immediately, a relief fund, an infrastructure package and a lockdown law!"

"Wait: I know these are obvious solutions to an obvious problem. But the great problem is: are those solutions right-wing? After all, we're a right-wing party, so we're not enabled to do anything else than right-wing policies!"

"I'll have to consult the Political Spectrum (TM), which is the oracle of the post-war Western Democracies! [picks up a game of fortune-like cardboard wheel]"

[spins the wheel]

"Yep, those would fall into the Left side of the Political Spectrum(TM). Sorry, we can't do that."

"Yeah, that's unfortunate. Well, that's life. Let's do nothing and pray Herd Immunity will somehow work."

[spins the wheel again]

"Yeah, that's fine. Praying falls into the Right side of the Political Spectrum(TM)"

"Thank God, finally something we can do!"

"Yep, problem solved, let's go back to our mansions".


Russia’s grip on Europe is gradually tightening – we can’t wait for the next attack to do something about it

Jeez, let's see the problem with Europe these last 20 years.

First, the European Project went to the shitter after the 2008 meltdown, which directly resulted in the 2011 meltdown. Greece was mercilessly reduced as the sacrificial lamb (Deutsche's and Societe Generale's dumping ground for rotten papers, with the help of Goldman Sachs).

Second, in order to make up for this fuck up, they destroyed Libya, creating a flank through which a horde of immigrants from the Middle East could traverse and reach Italy and Greece. One decade later, Russia would stabilize Libya - but at the cost of securing its main oilfields. All the destruction was for nothing to the Europeans, and the Europeans blamed the Russians.

Third, not satisfied with destroying Libya, they tried to destroy Syria. After all, why not? Russia again puts a stop to the Euro-American shithousery. Europe gets none of the oil and gas and all the refugees (which were personally welcomed by Angela Merkel herself). Europe blames Russia for raining on their parade.

So, to answer the author's question: Russia will stop to tight its grip on Europe when Europe stops to genocide Middle Eastern peoples. It's that simple.

Posted by: vk | Jul 3 2020 14:17 utc | 145

interesting discussions...

Posted by: ptb | Jul 3 2020 14:18 utc | 146


Point taken, but it is one of the most renowned and one of the first to receive national sensational publicity.

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 14:28 utc | 147

Also, do we have the name and bio of the scumbag who provided the safe house for Maxwell in New Hampshire? A scumbag that would provide safe harbor for the likes of Maxwell deserves no privacy and should be run out of the country to Israel, Russia or China where they belong and would be welcomed and applauded for raping young, nubile, vulnerable "Amurikkkans."

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 14:38 utc | 148

See? It referred to Israel in a negative way so it cannot be a propaganda orifice of the imperial establishment!

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 3 2020 14:46 utc | 149

Bradford is important only because she was hiding, not running (to Israel). Supposedly from prying media and the powerful people that may have killed Epstein. Supposedly.

Her "not running" will be an important aspect of her defense as victim of Epstein. She'll claim that he coerced her. OMG, he was so evil!

Pin it on the dead guy is the classic move of a corrupt system (except, of course, he may not actually be dead).

<> <> <> <>

Whitney Webb believes she will get a slap on the wrist. The authorities are ignoring the victims claims of abuse by Ghislaine. (This is what allows Ghislaine to claim to be a victim too.)

See my comment @Jul2 21:10 #46.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 3 2020 14:56 utc | 150

The mask of Western Democracy finally falls:

'Morra quem morrer': bares lotam no Rio na noite de reabertura

"Die whoever has to die" - so spoke the mayor of Itabuna, a decent, middle class, liberal man.

Meanwhile, at the tables of the bars in the Leblon, the good, western middle class Christian people chat about why China is a brutal dictatorship, and why Putin is the worst thing since AIDS...

Posted by: vk | Jul 3 2020 14:58 utc | 151


yes, there is some compelling speculation that Barbara Bush is the love child of AC. I would recommend Ed Opperman discussing this with William Ramsey here.

there is also a very interesting interpretation of the 9/11 terrorist attack as an occult ritual paying homage to AC and his belief in the age of Horus being upon us.

again, people may think this is all a bunch of nonsense, but I will continue to repeat myself when I say if THEY BELIEVE THIS SHIT then it might behoove us to, I dunno, maybe take these belief systems a little more seriously.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 3 2020 15:03 utc | 152

Seems a little off to me that Maxwell would choose to hide out in the states unless she wasn't found out as much as negotiating a surrender.
One faction or another is making a move and Maxwell's revelations will be selective. As if the American political landscape wasn't dirty enough. It'll just be another nail in people's loss of faith in leadership.
Hopefully Hilary takes a fall too but me sniffer says she may be good pals with ms Maxwell.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 3 2020 15:26 utc | 153

I love that film ‘ Conspracy Theory’
Don’t tell me that the end sequence was filmed in New Hampshire !
But in the film the guy says he trawls through all the conspiracy news most of which, was planted by the CIA. But hidden amongst it, deep down you could find the truth !
Of course the rubbish was to discredit the truth getting out !
That’s my opinion to.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 15:33 utc | 154

The Ottoman empire did not survive the First World War. The Turkish republic was neutral between 1939-1945.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2020 15:36 utc | 155

An excellent review of the scientific literature on how well masks work from the
pre-Covid era before the science had to be faked.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 3 2020 15:42 utc | 156

i'm starting to wonder if "offguardian" is some obscure performance art project. they've decided to shoot past "full retard" at ludicrous speed and declare “No One Has Died from the Coronavirus”.

it's official: they've gone plaid.

Posted by: the pair | Jul 3 2020 15:45 utc | 157

the pair @Jul3 15:45 #156

[Off-Guardian:] “No One Has Died from the Coronavirus”

Virtually all the deaths are from Covid-19, which is a complication of the virus.

Off-G is technically correct but deceptive nonetheless.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 3 2020 15:52 utc | 158

@ Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2020 15:36 utc | 154

A curiosity about Turkey during WWII was its decisive, albeit indirect, role in the Battle of Stalingrad.

Turkey was neutral in WWII, but made it clear its allegiance was for sale. During the early exploits by the Afrikakorps in North Africa, the Islamic nations of the region quickly sided with the Nazis. By Stalingrad, Turkey was on the verge of being a Nazi ally, as it was more or less clear they would be soon the lords of the Caucasus. Either way, unconditional Turkish support for Germany was directly conditioned to a German absolute victory in Southwestern USSR, in which Stalingrad was the biggest and most strategic metropolis.

It is suspected that Hitler's anxiety with taking Stalingrad had very much to do with striking an alliance with Turkey, which was waiting to see to side with the winning side (which is very typical of neutral sides). That may have been the main factor that impelled Hitler to decide to keep the 6th Army inside the city - not Göring's alleged blunder, as many Anglo-Saxon historians like to tell us.

The necessity of Turkey to destroy the USSR is very obvious, as it was needed to cut it off from the Black Sea and consolidate the Caucasus.


@ snake

Yes, oil was one of the major factors in WWII (not WWI). But only in drawing the sides, not in causing the war itself. At the end of the day, the USA calculated that it was better to ally with the USSR to give a more comfortable victory against two oil starved empires (Germany and Japan) than risk a proto-MAD, endless war of self-destruction by allying with the Nazis and the Japanese against the USSR.

The bet paid off, as the USSR lost 35% of its GDP and one seventh of its population either way, so it always had the upper hand in the Cold War, which it also won comfortably due to that initial advantage.

Posted by: vk | Jul 3 2020 16:01 utc | 159

Re "pie in the sky"

The 1911 song by labour activist Joe Hill titled "The Preacher and the Slave" includes the line

"You'll get pie in the sky when you die, that's a lie."

Posted by: spudski | Jul 3 2020 16:04 utc | 160

Note how the operatives avoid my inquiry as to who owned the safe house and/or how Maxwell came to own it and who aided her in that endeavor? Now why would they avoid that most important question and change the subject and surround the inquiry with distracting nonsense? I'll let the few honest ones amongst you answer that question. It's an easy answer, fyi. Hey Gruff, I see you.

Accused Jeffrey Epstein Sex Crimes Accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested At $1 Million New Hampshire Home

Authorities said Thursday that Maxwell was caught at a 156-acre property in that town, where land records list just one lot of that size, on East Washington Road.

“The defendant appears to have been hiding on a 156-acre property acquired in an all-cash purchase in December 2019 (through a carefully anonymized LLC) in Bradford, New Hampshire, an area to which she has no other known connections,” said a court filing by Manhattan federal prosecutors. An LLC is a limited liability corporation.

Other records show the buyer was Granite Reality LLC, whose listed manager is a Boston lawyer named Jeffrey Roberts.

Roberts did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The web site of his firm, Nutter McClennen & Fish, says that Roberts ”chairs Nutter’s Private Client Department and serves as a member of the firm’s Executive Committee.”

“His broad-based practice consists of estate planning for high net worth individuals,” among other areas, according to the web site. Nutter, whose spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment, is located at the same Boston address as the mailing address of the LLC that bought the property.

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 16:05 utc | 161

More on the Nutter Butter law firm that helped Maxwell purchase the New Hampshire safe house. It has strong ties to Harvard. Epstein was in deep with the Harvard folks and the Harvard folks, all Ivy League in fact, are in deep with the intelligence services. It's important in the clandestine services to keep changing your name. Chinese Princelings, fyi, prize a Harvard education. Gee, imagine that.

Lawyers are the most evil beings to ever exist.

About Nutter McClennen & Fish LLP

Nutter has deep roots in the Boston community. In 1879, a young Louis D. Brandeis founded the firm with fellow Harvard alumnus Samuel D. Warren. Although Brandeis would leave private practice for the judiciary—he was appointed to the United States Supreme Court after 35 years at the firm—Nutter has maintained its prestigious reputation through multiple name changes.

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 16:11 utc | 162

VK, re: Russia’s grip on Europe is gradually tightening from the U.K.'s INDEPENDENT

It's behind a paywall but I read just enough to be curious as to how someone could possibly justify a clickbait title like that. I suspect that the rest of the article is just going to recap Russia's alleged sins in order to fan hatred but how can someone objectively say that Russia is tightening its grip on Europe?
1. FUCKUS banned Russia from the Olympics on a bogus state sponsored steroid scam, no reinstatement on horizon.
2. FUCKUS kicked Russia out of the now G7 and imposed a trade embargo that destroyed a large commercial relationship w/Germany.
What is the 'overwhelming' evidence that the Russians poisoned the Skripal's, Novichok can be made by just about anyone.

Some countries like Italy (maybe Germany) are warming to Russia a little bit but Russia has a long way to go just to get back to their pre-2014 status with Europe. That is 'tightening their grip?'. I know, this is how propagandists speak.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 16:13 utc | 163

Canada suspends extradition treaty with Hong Kong over new security law

canada as good little foot soldier for usa- pompass type shite...

Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 16:29 utc | 164

if you're a canuck - mail this dipshit...

Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 16:31 utc | 165

Does Ghislaine’s arrest prevent the destruction of Virginia Robert’s evidence as ordered by Judge Penska the day before?

Posted by: A guy | Jul 3 2020 16:41 utc | 166

Great thread.. So Maxwell:

-Why did she leave France?
-Who has the tapes?
-Who has seen the tapes?
-What can be divulged?
-For what political aims?
-How will they kill the story if said aims cant be achieved?

Suicide is unlikely, too obvious..

Posted by: Lozion | Jul 3 2020 16:57 utc | 167

His parents must be so proud and his wife and children too if he has either.

Nutter McClennen & Fish LLP should change its name to Pedophiles R Us, don't you think? I know that makes a few of you burning mad and it's not creative enough for you and Lang, but so be it. I chalk it up to my lack of cojones to overthrow the United States government.

Jeffrey Denk Roberts

What a handsome, fresh, clean face. How could you not trust such a profile? Right? I wonder if Maxwell gave him one of her famous blowjobs or provided him an infant to rape for his services?

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 17:09 utc | 168

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 16:13 utc | 162

The author of that is Jack Straw, a former UK foreign secretary, he is defending himself amd his policies, more or less. Sort of like Pompeo, when out of office, defending his harassment of Iran.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 3 2020 17:16 utc | 169

@164 Those are quite puny measures really james. I wonder if Justin will be giving them Canadian passports? That might not be too popular in Vancouver.

Posted by: dh | Jul 3 2020 17:53 utc | 170

Russia’s grip on Europe is gradually tightening from the U.K.'s INDEPENDENT

It's behind a paywall but I read just enough to be curious as to how someone could possibly justify a clickbait title like that.
Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 16:13 utc | 163

Without reading, checking the author etc., I would say that curiosity, rather harmless here (Christian is not a cat after all) is misguided. I expect more of the crap that accumulates at a dangerous pace, risking the lives of people located downstream
In a nutshell, Russia has despicable plans to continue and if possible, expand trade with European countries. Any interruptions in trade cause pain on both sides, but while humans living the the west of Russia have the capacity of feeling the pain, this is not the case with subhumans in Russia. Hence the dependency goes strictly one way, and it has to be removed at all cost -- preferably those costs should be born by Italy, Germany etc., and offer even a nice profit for USA.

As far as "increase of dependency goes", some write about the terrible dependency to come and insufficient effort to prevent it, it requires some creativity to see the current symptoms. Like increasing number of pro-Russians opinions in some social media, generated by sub-humans (trolls?) manufactured by Russians.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 18:06 utc | 171

In 1650, at the request of Harvard President Henry Dunster, the Great and General Court of Massachusetts issued the body's charter, making it now the oldest corporation in the Americas; the subsequent Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts confirmed that, despite the change in government, the corporation would continue to "have, hold, use, exercise and enjoy" its property and legal privileges.[1] Although the institution it governs has grown into Harvard University (of which Harvard College is one of several components), the corporation's formal title remains the President and Fellows of Harvard College.

For most of its history, the Corporation was consisted of six fellows in addition to the president. But after the abortive presidency of Lawrence Summers and a large endowment decline in 2008–2009, a year-long governance review was conducted. In December 2010, it announced that the Corporation's "composition, structure, and practices" would be greatly altered: the number of fellows would increase from seven to 13, with prescribed terms of service, and several new committees would endeavor to improve the group's integration with the activities of the University as a whole, especially its long-term planning.[2]

There are currently thirteen members of the Corporation.

Posted by: Agin | Jul 3 2020 18:10 utc | 172

Canada suspends extradition treaty with Hong Kong over new security law
canada as good little foot soldier for usa- pompass type shite...

The boy king got his orders from Madame Freeland.

Posted by: krypton | Jul 3 2020 18:11 utc | 173

@ 170 dh.... i don't think it will phase vancouver one way or the other.... if the canuck gov't just came out and say they support falen gong, or whatever that propaganda group is called - it would have more relevance and by more truthful..

Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 18:12 utc | 174

@174 I thought there was a problem with affordable housing in Vancouver. I recall some people complaining. But I imagine real estate agents would be happy to see another influx from Hong Kong.

Posted by: dh | Jul 3 2020 18:40 utc | 175

@ 175 dh... yes - vanc r/e is way over priced, so the young and flexible move outside vancouver to places like the interior and vancouver island, but now the inflation is everywhere in b.c. for the most part.... and it is everywhere in canada really to a good extent... money is shit and meaningless at this point, although peoples wages still remain stagnant... everyone relies on inheritance if they want to own a place... well, that is the dark cynical view from yours truly..

Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 18:50 utc | 176

"Russia will stop to tight its grip on Europe when Europe stops to genocide Middle Eastern peoples. It's that simple."
Posted by: vk | Jul 3 2020 14:17 utc | 145

It's laughably pathetic (albeit tragic as well) That the Govt.s most demonized by the West are actually the adults in the room- politically speaking anyway.

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Syria come to mind. The U.S. Regime Empire and its minions behave like raving psychotic infantile murderous brats...

America has no big boy pants to put on, certainly not with the like of Trump/Biden. Ice Cream Pelosi and Feinstein share tampons with Hilary and Albright all cackling with delight about bayonet sodomized men and 500k dead Iraqi children. What an Indispensable Nation they have built.

There is no redemption for America, it will burn in the worst of ways fit for its murdering rampage unleashed on the world. Realizing how many of us will be sacrificial lambs to its demise brings no comfort, but the deserved trajectory is clear.

Posted by: CitizenX | Jul 3 2020 18:50 utc | 177

Piotr Berman @171, As far as "increase of dependency goes", some write about the terrible dependency to come and insufficient effort to prevent it

Ah yes, I have noticed that preventing positive relationships from forming is one of the main themes from these evil, sick sociopaths. If you allow free travel between Russia and the EU for sporting events as well as trade you might forget that the Russians are subhuman and must be destroyed. Since this is so obviously demented you have to call normal social interactions, the 'Russians achieving a stranglehold'.

I have noticed the same exact thing in Syria. The reason that Tulsi Gabbard must be flayed for visiting Syria is because she visited Syria. Having Syrians run up to her and say, 'why are you attacking us, what did we do to you' made such a huge impression on her because it was so obviously unscripted as compared to the repetitive drivel we hear at home. Ditto Iran, Venezuela, etc. Don't visit, don't talk. Our NGO's will tell you what you are allowed to know.

Israel is wise to sponsor U.S. Congressional visits. I wouldn't mind it so much if they did not obstruct humanizing visits to other countries.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 19:04 utc | 178

There is no true, organic revolt in America and there never will be. The recent "protests" and CHOP and #BlackLivesMatter are a sick joke designed to fracture and fragment America even more than it is already. at 18.

Yes… Public avowal, front stage: Pelosi and other Dem bigwigs kneel with African cloths (link 1) around their neck, a most curious spectacle. As they all loathe and despise blacks, particularly, as well as other 'deplorables'...

Statues are taken down; Amazon, Monsanto, Goldman Sachs, Gilead, for ex., don’t care about statues. All theatre to keep kiddos amused and ‘afford them an outlet for aggro impulses’, like 6-yr-olds dashing around in an enclosed small park and going Bam Bam. Oh how cute, what a wonderful time.

Movie stars, famous ppl pledged millions of dollaris to BLM (talk is cheap and where the money if given goes is another story.) The Mega Corps, the hypocritical rich and the Dem Party are in fact the Enemies of blacks, of all ‘minorities’, overall - the poor and screwed-over - which should be framed in class terms.

The recent BLM - antifa - flap is due to the exploding fear of the PTB (which includes the 20%, in influence, sitting on nodes, the hangers-on) that the lower portions of society might actually band together and act as one.

Cov19 has created major maelstoms, has made many differences starker, so insecurity has infected the upper classes who now make purely symbolic moves to appease while simultaneously dividing to ensure disunity, etc. Not difficult, when one considers that for ex. BLM is a ‘fakelorum’ org. set up by cynics to earn money to drain off oppo, bring the sheeples into a tent.

idk about the symbols, guessing it was just to ‘drape’ something Afro?

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 3 2020 19:15 utc | 179

vk@ 125:

"...@ juliania

I don't understand your argument: there are a lot of Christians in Wall Street, too. The Kock brothers (and their father) are also ardent Christians. Christianism has a long history of extermination and intolerance: why don't give those atrocities the same weight as the atrocities committed in the name of something else? Or does Christianism always have the benefit of the doubt?

And I don't understand your term 'Christianism'. I suppose you are meaning all the different branches that have formed around Christ and his message. Christianity at its historical roots as practised today is called Orthodoxy, from which the Catholic church broke ranks since they wanted the Pope to have too great a leadership role. Orthodox were willing to call the Pope 'first among equals' but Rome wasn't happy with that.'

The test for Orthodoxy is that in particular what we call Christianity conforms to the four Gospels. So, there you will find Christ preaching that blessed are the poor in spirit, and that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven (but there's a nice addendum that has him telling his astonished disciples that for God all things are possible.) So, who knows, David Koch may squeeze through that eye of the needle after all. One who did was Joseph of Arimathea, a rich man who gave a tomb site outside Jerusalem for Jesus to be buried in.

If you still don't understand, read the four gospels. That is the template for Christianity. Humankind has a history of extermination and intolerance. Christ doesn't. He gave examples from outside of Judaism of persons who are more honorable such as the Canaanite woman, and the good Samaritan. And he urged that the community extend to non-Jews,all races as well, which they did. It is Christ that Christians try to follow, much as most of us do so imperfectly. Some more imperfectly than others.

I don't have an argument. It's more like 'show and tell.'

Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 19:22 utc | 180


Still old farms plus few acres available in Cape Breton for under 100K:

Posted by: krypton | Jul 3 2020 19:32 utc | 181

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 6:53 utc | 104

Let me rehash my comments again. Carlson Tucker is by no mean stupid, doing Tulsi Gabbard and Anya Parampil any favors. He did it for sinister motives. In Tulsi gave Tulsi rare opportunity to destroyed first term Senator Kamala Harris whom gaining national prominent - a female black Democratic senator from a Blue progressive States, the first female black president. As for Anya Parampil, she fighting a lost cause. Venezuela can never win everyone condemns Maduro even Canada and EU. The regime determines Maduro must go. Period! Getting Anya into the fray only muddle the waters and confuse the already confused voters.

"So Tucker is OK and he is reasonable and he will interview a broad spectrum. Good for him. But he smooths the pillow and caresses the establishment arse."

Posted by: JC | Jul 3 2020 19:45 utc | 182

Canada suspends extradition treaty with Hong Kong over new security law
canada as good little foot soldier for usa- pompass type shite...

The boy king got his orders from Madame Freeland.

Posted by: krypton | Jul 3 2020 18:11 utc | 173

I thought that opposition to extradition treaties caused disturbances in Hong Kong, so now one of the demands there is fulfilled. Canada made a good first step, revoking extradition agreement with USA is logical next step (no extradition to super-powers, Russia does not have such a treaty so only USA is left).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 19:47 utc | 183

@spudski | Jul 3 2020 16:04 utc | 160

The 1911 song by labour activist Joe Hill titled "The Preacher and the Slave" includes the line

"You'll get pie in the sky when you die, that's a lie."


One of Joe Hill's many classics. A great version: The Preacher and the Slave

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jul 3 2020 19:53 utc | 184

@Cyril | Jul 3 2020 4:25 utc | 93

Adding to my earlier comment ...

Sinopharm is not the only candidate vaccine for Covid-19. Three American candidates will enter Phase III trials this month:

Over the course of the summer, the federal government plans to fund three phase III clinical trials for experimental coronavirus vaccines.


“There’s a lot of optimism in our community that a vaccine should be possible, but we are very focused on the fact that that has to be proven in clinical trials,” John Mascola, vaccine research director at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a recent conference attended by the WSJ.

There are multiple phases of clinical research necessary before a medication or vaccine is granted regulatory approval. Phase 0 studies how the human body processes a drug. Phase I identifies dangerous side effects and other safety concerns, and phase II trials measure whether the drug actually treats the condition it’s supposed to.

Finally, there’s phase III: large-scale tests that compare the drug or vaccine against a placebo. Many drugs don’t ever reach this final stage of the process, so the fact that three COVID-19 vaccines are already there is a promising sign for the fight to end this pandemic.

China may be ahead in Phase III, but only by a few weeks.

Posted by: Cyril | Jul 3 2020 19:59 utc | 185



Related to your commentary, here's an excellent documentary for any and all who have never watched it. I highly suggest it. It's as good as its title. Spot on.

Poverty, Inc.

Here's an excellent comment related to it from Amazon.

Wait, you mean a bunch of yuppie scumbags voting for global corporatists doesn't help poor people?? Go figure! The IMF and the like are run by predatory Ivy League scumbags and bankers who've probably never worked an honest days work their whole lives - they certainly have no idea what it is to be poor or how to get out of poverty. These NGO's and institutions really exist so that their lame ass kids they sent to Harvard can join a non-profit to "help" poor people and then brag about it (soft bigotry of low expectations), and of course their 6 figure incomes are just happenstance huh? Sure sure, Madonna, Bono and Brad Pitt are gonna save poor people. LOL! If you see one of these narcissisitic jerkoffs - puke in their face.

Finally a documentary about the poor with some sense. What poor people need is a job. They don't need your old shoes, or that old can of soup in your pantry you don't even like, and they sure as sh*t don't need your "compassion" - they need a JOB! They need a market. They need OPPORTUNITY!

I think it's a bit more complicated than just needing a job, but I share the sentiment of the commentator aside form that niggle.

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 20:02 utc | 186

pat lang must be going bonkers over the removal of the statues of his heroes. almost worth visiting the site to see

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 3 2020 20:52 utc | 187

Hoarsewhisperer @ 100:

There was a case in the 1930s of a Czech trade union activist who tried to enter Australia but was forced by the Dept of Immigration to undertake the dictation test in the Gaelic language. Of course he failed. And this was a fellow who was multi-lingual.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 3 2020 20:53 utc | 188

Posted by: | Jul 3 2020 20:02 utc | 186

I see a case of arrested development here. Ancient methods of providing aid have antique principles like

give someone a fish

teach someone how to catch fish

That stuff was good before the birth of Christ, but after more than two millennia we know better:

teach someone how to write the budget of the fishing office and issue regulations

An NGO with deep expertise will send puppy-faced fresh graduates (of matching sexes so they would not get hopelessly bored in some rat shit country where they do not even know how to organize and run a fishing department) will come, organize seminars, include locals in their social interactions (with luck, avoiding major complaints) and generously donated money will be spend.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 20:58 utc | 189

Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 20:58 utc

I am sorry for using an expletive, but it was an "homage" to a review of the latest opus of John Bolton by Paralimpil where she showed a clip of Bolton voicing his unhappiness after the first Trump-Kim meeting, namely that Trump showed undeserved politeness to a "president of a rat shit country". Because mental illness is a deviation from normal behavior, Bolton qualifies as a sane person where he lives.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 21:04 utc | 190

@ the pair 157

If I were you, I would listen very carefully to what those pathologists have to say in that article. They are backing up their claims with evidence. The evidence that is either lacking or flimsy at best, in the opposing camp i.e. the WHO, western governments, Gates foundation and the big pharma. When you put these groups together, you should be very scared of the outcome.

Being a physician, we have a funny saying in our world: “......pathologist know everything, but its too late to do anything.....” When a pathologist talks, we normally listen very intently and pay close attention to what they have to say. In this case, it is not too late to act.

The alternative to the claims in that article, is to jump both feet in the narrative put forth by the aforementioned group and swallow their upcoming vaccine whole. You are welcome to get your vaccine and your Covi-Pass and follow the rest of the lemmings to the cliff. But I would advise you against it and ask you to do more research. This water has been muddied enough to give the whole world a pause and rethink.

Posted by: Alpi | Jul 3 2020 22:01 utc | 191

Piotr Berman #190

Bolt-on is one demented rsole and it does not surprise me that he qualifies as a sane person in that land. With statesmen like Bolt-on all I can say is good luck to all others in that land.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 22:01 utc | 192


Want to give a sincere thank you and shout out for the referral to

I am currently working my way through it. Comprehensive, authoritative, and with fascinating parallels to the situation in today's USA political parties

Thanks again.

Posted by: lone plateau | Jul 3 2020 23:53 utc | 193

I listened to an evan Solomon interview the other day with JB. I was actually impressed with his ability to speak his ideas. a testimony to the reason he keeps getting high positions of power I guess. It's obvious that the reason he's timed his emergence into the light is to try and win favour with the new ruling establishment. If he can be seen as helping to take down the Donald (whom he obviously has no unburned bridge) then he may get a reward in the next admin. That rat will live long past the zombie apocalypse!

My impression was that there was alot of unused real estate bought up in BC that was also a major problem. Real estate was driven up by excess demand due to laxed rules for foreign ownership. Vancouver like most west coast cities of the us which were already saturated and in demand became hot because of geography etc. The rich Chinese of all creeds swooped in (those with the cash of course) but haven't really "lived" there. Then again if u look around Vancouver you'll quickly find that French isn't the second language of the area and if u were to close your eyes and someone were to tell u you're in Hong Kong u might believe it.
That's my synopsis but I'm more than man if someone can add or change this.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 4 2020 0:09 utc | 194

Thanks Vintage Red.

Posted by: spudski | Jul 4 2020 0:33 utc | 195

@194 Right now we're being told that there are millions of brave young protesters in Hong Kong desperate to escape the 'draconian' new laws. They want real passports so they can move to Canada, Australia and New Zealand (for some reason the UK is not the most popular destination). My feeling is that most of them will probably stay home and the protests will fizzle out.

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2020 0:41 utc | 196

Posted by: lizard | Jul 3 2020 13:58 utc | 142 I'm not interested in Crowly's words, I'm interested in the perceived and/or actual impacts of his occult belief system on other people...

Damien Echols is the only name I'm not familiar with in that list.

The rest of the named turned out to be losers, with little influence on anything subsequently except more losers. Gottlieb and the CIA are the only real threats because they're still at it and have the power of the government behind them.

You may wish to read, if you haven't already, the following:

Satanism: A Social History By Massimo Introvigne
Children of Lucifer - The Origins of Modern Religious Satanism by Ruben van Luijk

These two are written by historians and bring a historian's rigor to the question of who influenced who and who did what. There are detailed analyses of most of the people on your list (except Echols) and the social influence on right-wing and occult groups worldwide. The first one, in particular, discusses "The Great Satanism Scare", which occurred from 1980–1994, and debunks most of it.

It's important for perspective to not only read stuff that is buried in conspiracy theories but also stuff that looks at them from outside (preferably not with a pure skeptic's viewpoint.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 0:51 utc | 197

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 3 2020 15:42 utc | 156

Another troll or someone who just hasn't bothered to read the thread before reposting the same crap that's already been debunked.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 0:53 utc | 198

@194 pbm.... actually grace mccarthy and vanderzalm were happy to give away the expo 86 land to a chinese billionaire rather then toigo for the simple reason they wanted to curry favour for political reasons... and that was in the late 80's... we continued on downhill in b.c. with corrupt leadership.. the bc gov't gave the hong kong rich an option for a canadian citizenship if they invested 250,000 into a business which at the time might have seemed like a lot, but it wasn't... would be good if we had invited a good cross section of the chinese people, but this was for the rich only - another example of our politicians malfeasance... it was nothing to do with r/e excess.. if you come to vancouver now - and this joke has been around for some time - the quickest distance from china to india is over the fraser bridge... vancouver has just as a big a population from punjab as china - well, i don't know the numbers but together they outnumber anglo saxon numbers.. the suburb richmond is where many of the new hong kong are located, as opposed to surrey where the folks from mostly punjab are centered... the rest of the vancouver area is a mismash..

@ 196 dh.. i agree with your conclusion..

Posted by: james | Jul 4 2020 1:01 utc | 199

@199 I know Canadians are much too polite to say so but I don't think a new wave of refugees from Hong Kong (rich or otherwise) is exactly what they want at the moment. Same goes for Oz and NZ.

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2020 1:16 utc | 200

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