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July 02, 2020

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Meanwhile, there is a new threat by the US against Iran - and Venezuela.

US tries to seize four Iranian tankers sailing towards Venezuela

The US is arguing in court that they have a legal right to seize the tankers because one of the persons associated with the ships allegedly has ties to the IRGC.

US seeks to seize Iranian gas heading toward Venezuela
American prosecutors say gas sale was arranged by businessman with ties to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps, a US-designated foreign terrorist organization

I've been saying for some time that given Trump's desire to stop all Iranian oil shipments that the US would eventually consider a blockade of Iran by the US Navy, which would be an act of war, and would trigger the Iran war. This move of trying to seize Iranian ships on bogus legal rationale is a step toward that, as was the seizure of the Grace last year.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 1:27 utc | 201

China crushing Hong-Kong aspirations and the human spirit I found it ironic that while Neocons are having a field day condemning China's new security law they are also revelling in Trump using federal laws to punish local protesters. FOX interviewed a DHS rep who was very pleased to announced that Trump was asking them to enforce laws imposing 10yr prison sentences for defacing statues.

10yrs, wow, that's pretty harsh for harming an inanimate object what if China did that.

BTW has anyone actually seen the HK police use tear gas and rubber bullets lately or is that just slipped into the copy that our newsreaders use.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 4 2020 2:10 utc | 202


thank you again for the suggestions. I am curious as to why the Process Church focused on Lucifer, Satan and Jehovah as three distinct entities on which to organize their following. to be crudely reductive, Satanists or more metal/biker stereotypes, while Luciferians are the polished upper crust who lust after what all power seekers ultimately want: to never die.

what about Jehovah?

I used to be interested in the gnostic idea of a deranged god, hypostasis of the archons and all that, but the more I consider non-human influences, the more I think we are being globally gaslit by an intelligence that needs us to survive...but we still need to give consent.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 2:22 utc | 203

@ 200 dh... i think you are right about that!! thanks..

@ 202 christian j chuba.. those are good observations... thanks for sharing..

Posted by: james | Jul 4 2020 2:28 utc | 204

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 2:22 utc | 203 I am curious as to why the Process Church focused on Lucifer, Satan and Jehovah

I tend not to be too interested in what some of these groups believe because in the end, they're irrational basket cases and their explanations for their beliefs tend to be off the wall. The Process Church was a straight up cult, and their belief system was just to confuse their followers in order to control them, like most cults. So their reasons why are irrelevant - the end goal was power.

"I used to be interested in the gnostic idea of a deranged god, hypostasis of the archons and all that, but the more I consider non-human influences, the more I think we are being globally gaslit by an intelligence that needs us to survive...but we still need to give consent."

I've done a certain amount of reading on Gnosticism. I haven't come to any firm conclusions, though I tend to think that most of these belief systems are simply attempts to comprehend why life sucks so much of the time. I'm also more inclined to consider Jung's opinion favorably - that all these "nonhuman intelligences" are just prehistoric parts of the brain that well up under certain conditions. Although that doesn't explain the whole UFO phenomena, despite Jung's attempt to do so with his book on UFOs.

The problem, as John Keel pointed out repeatedly in his works, is that you can *not* trust *any* entity that you think you're in contact with. Some of the old occultists also concluded that, and that's why they recommended the magician have strict control over himself before, during and after the ritual, or he would be overwhelmed by what, essentially, was in his own head. There are good psychological reasons for that and it's a good theory to explain a lot of what "magic" was or is.

Read up on Giordano Bruno, especially Ioan Couliano - Eros And Magic in the Renaissance. I haven't read that myself, but it's on my hard drive for later reading. Basically, Bruno seems to have discovered both the mechanics of magic and the mechanics of psychological warfare. I don't know yet whether he was correct, but it also fits with what the CIA was doing with its methods. Peter Levenda discusses this in his Sinister Forces trilogy, which is where I got the reference to Couliano's book from. Bruno's concepts of "links" also fits in with a theory I developed some years ago which I call the "biological Internet". That's a concept where living things are "networked" on a low - perhaps even quantum - biology level, much like the Internet, with the genetic code acting as a sort of "IP address". This theory could explain virtually everything paranormal, including ghosts, magic, "psychic powers", "reincarnation", the works. Still wouldn't explain much of the UFO phenomena, however.

Anyway, as an anarchist, I'm not giving "consent" to anyone, human or not, without a damn good reason. As far as any humans or non-humans telling me what to do, as Gov. William J. Le Petomane said in "Blazing Saddles": "You watch your ass!"

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 3:19 utc | 205

Too more good ones from Tim Cushing over at TechDirt...

This first one is where an unmarked cop car going the wrong way down a on-way street hits a black teenager. The cops roust all the teenagers on the street, and the NYPD declares that the teen hit was running away and ran into a *non-moving* police car. You can't make this up.

How An NYPD Officer Can Hit A Teen With His Car In Front Of Several Witnesses And Get Away With It

This next one shows how all this "facial recognition software" you see on the TV shows is full of crap. Also proven by the UK's lousy record with this stuff. This has become news because the first false arrest in Detroit has been thrown out.

Detroit Police Chief Says Facial Recognition Software Involved In Bogus Arrest Is Wrong '96 Percent Of The Time'

t got the software it needed from DataWorks: a blend of two algorithms known as "Face Plus." It's scary stuff.

Face Plus is capable of automatically searching all faces that enter camera frames against photos in the entity’s database, alerting authorities to any algorithmic matches. Additionally, there is a “watchlist” option where persons of interest can be monitored and alerted for…

According to DataWorks Plus, in 2017, this repository contained 8 million criminal pictures and 32 million “DMV” pictures. As the Free Press reported in March 2019, almost every Michigan resident has a photo of them in this system.

This is the system the police chief calls 96% inaccurate and DPD investigators call useless.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 3:30 utc | 206

Below is a ZH link about current doings in the NE corner of Syria

Syria Prepares For Military Confrontation With Turkey In Northeast

And the worm turns

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2020 3:54 utc | 207

Sent donation last Monday by two methods - interested to hear which works best, and how quickly. Cheers.

(Also, I think there's two of us using the cognomen "Hope"?)

Posted by: Hope | Jul 4 2020 3:55 utc | 208 #148

Also, do we have the name and bio of the scumbag who provided the safe house for Maxwell in New Hampshire? A scumbag that would provide safe harbor for the likes of Maxwell deserves no privacy and should be run out of the country to Israel, Russia or China where they belong and would be welcomed and applauded for raping young, nubile, vulnerable "Amurikkkans."

Maxwell is one very rich animal. She likely has UKUSAI citizenships. No one needs to lend her a safe house as she likely owns many through blind lawyers offices such as the one registered as the owner of the 156 acre New Hampshire spread. So if you are into revenge then find out the details of the law company and go visit 'em.

Secret title systems are an outrageous affront to civil society so while you are busy chasing the law firm, spend a moment on the legislators that enacted such obscene laws.

But don't forget to include Les Wexner in your visits.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2020 4:10 utc | 209

I just read the Reuters posting (no link) about Trump's speech at Mt Rushmore this evening stoking the flames of culture war between the fake left/right meme.

Trump is playing his role to the hilt to insure that Americans don't talk about the financial rape of their descendants that is occurring as part of the pandemic response. Trump is accusing the left of pushing a cultural revolution when that is exactly what is needed but a cultural revolution that occurs because sovereign governments take over global finance from the current global private cult that holds the Western government in debt peonage.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2020 4:22 utc | 210


as a transhumanist (not trying to be antagonistic) how much faith are you willing to put into technology's ability to extend life? and why? fear of death? you and I ain't going to beat it, so what's the point?

language itself is a virus, and all these words we throw at each other are really just echoes of the fear of death, even the trolls.

here's a thought: consider the bible as script, especially REVELATIONS. consider how, if you hate the idea of Christ and the boundless love offered to hookers and poor people, consider how that hatred might manifest into a technological ENACTMENT of end times events.

for the META LULZ?!?

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 4:56 utc | 211

@210 psychohistorian

Yes, it's a shame that the country is so befuddled with identity warfare. As a nation we almost but not quite noticed that vast bailout of the top tier. They staved off the next crash that they were so concerned about. I guess you noticed that tidbit about a record number of CEOs retiring last year? The inside track has known it was staring down a gun barrel, and COVID by accident or design was the perfect smoke to cover up the bailout.

Among the people, for one moment I was feeling the spark of some illumined energy, but the obfuscations are so thick and well entrenched that I don't think this wealth transfer event is going to break surface in anyone's mind. The false race war has covered up the true class war, as many commentators note.

Well, it's going to be a long hot summer, and the universe at least seems up for surprises this year, so we'll see what emerges. I tend to think the grievances are still being shaped in the pressure cooker, and the steam has barely yet even started to blow.

Good point about Trump. He really is the best friend the Dems could ask for, providing the target for them to keep the polarities boiling without having to commit to any principle or platform, or do any real work at all. They will strive mightily to win him another four years, no matter how badly he screws up the pandemic response.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 4 2020 5:07 utc | 212

psychohistorian @Jul4 4:22 @210

Trump's speech at Mt Rushmore this evening stoking the flames of culture war

Grieved @Jul4 2020 5:07 #212
the obfuscations are so thick and well entrenched

Trump made no attempt to heal the divide. Just the opposite really.

When I pointed this out to friends that claim that Trump is not racist and that police brutality is just a training issue, they had nothing to say.

When I point out that USA has large and unaccountable police and military that is glorified at every opportunity and that the USA imprisons more people than any other developed country, they have nothing to way.

When I point out that Trump's minimum 10-year sentence for defacing statues/monuments screams "police state!", they have nothing to say.

When I point out that we are technically at war with several countries, they have nothing to say.

When I point out that it was USA power-elite that is most responsible for the problems they decry, they have nothing to say. It was the USA power-elite that sent manufacturing overseas, raided pensions, and broke the Unions. It was USA power-elite that allowed millions of undocumented immigrants so they could get cheap labor. It is USA power-elite that has formed an unaccountable and undemocratic system. It is the USA power-elite that supports Empire warmongering and adventurism that destabilizes countries like Russia, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, etc. - leading to resentment, terrorism, and other problems.

Despite all of the above, Trump supporters fall in line and direct their ire at China, Iran, Maduro, undocumented immigrants, Muslims, blacks, socialists, etc. - everyone but the people actually responsible for the problems.

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Sadly, there is little regard for wisdom like: Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 4 2020 5:13 utc | 213

@ lizard | Jul 4 2020 4:56 utc | 211 who wrote
language itself is a virus, and all these words we throw at each other are really just echoes of the fear of death, even the trolls.

Some of us cultural and language drum beaters think of themselves as potential sci-fi change agents. If I can shorten the time our species spends under the yoke of those that own global private finance by any amount then my life has purpose and meaning.

The awe of cosmology is my "religion" and I wonder if it is possible to evolve our species to simply appreciate and respect our place in the universe and live our lives in awe of the little we know about anything.....including enough to create a religion....grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2020 5:17 utc | 214

@ Jackrabbit | Jul 4 2020 5:13 utc | 213....nicely stated

And to Grieved above that in response to come so few of us can see beyond the shadows on Plato's screens?

Stay well and keep writing truth to power because that is what we are here to do.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2020 5:25 utc | 215

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 4:56 utc | 211 as a transhumanist (not trying to be antagonistic) how much faith are you willing to put into technology's ability to extend life? and why? fear of death? you and I ain't going to beat it, so what's the point?

Heh, speak for yourself. It all depends on how fast nanotechnology can be used in a biological context. Based on Aubrey de Grey, a few billions even without nanotechnology spent over the next couple decades on preventing the most common (non-accident/hostile) causes of biological death could extend average human life span to 120 years. If nanotech can be applied, that might be sped up or subsequently used to eliminate death by normal causes (short of being vaporized in a nuclear blast, loss of brain information, etc.). That depends on how much knowledge of biology can be expanded using nanotech on a cellular level (or below) on a real-time, large-scale monitoring basis. I'm not up on where nanotech is currently in that application.

Fear of death is "the root of all evil", to quote Alan Harrington in "The Immortalist". But death itself is quite real. Reason enough to go after a solution. People who don't think "eternal life" (whatever that means) is a good idea are people who are afraid of their current life or the consequences if other people possess it and they don't.

"language itself is a virus, and all these words we throw at each other are really just echoes of the fear of death, even the trolls."

I'd say especially the trolls. Read Harrington.

"consider the bible as script"

Or consider it as a rehash of similar myths. There were 16 "crucified saviors" in prior history - and that was known back in the 19th Century. We know where this stuff comes from, psychologically and historically.

"consider how that hatred might manifest into a technological ENACTMENT of end times events."

That's kind of what I intend. But I don't need Revelations as a script for that - just a lot of sci-fi and comic books. :-) As I said once before, there are four possibilities as a result of development of Transhuman enabling technologies:
1) Transhumans exterminate humans.
2) Transhumans transmogrify humans into Transhumans.
3) Transhumans ignored humans.
4) And the most likely - all of the above.

Although I rank 3) as the most likely, even if humans try to exterminate Transhumans - which I think is quite likely. Humans defeating a super-intelligence is highly improbable - Star Trek notwithstanding.

I've got no problem with any of those - as long as I'm one of the Transhumans. Of course, if I drop dead first, all of them are moot for me.

If you meant to refer to some notion of "Satan" being behind such an idea, I'd advise you to note that according to those historians I mentioned there has never been a real group of "Satanists" anywhere (not even the Nazi occultists regardless of Peter Levenda and many others who have suggested otherwise), or any evidence of an actual "Satan" (or any other equivalent entity), and second, remember what I said about any non-human intelligence telling me what to do.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 6:10 utc | 216

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2020 5:17 utc | 214 If I can shorten the time our species spends under the yoke of those that own global private finance by any amount then my life has purpose and meaning.

Mine has purpose and meaning regardless of whether I can achieve such a thing. Existence is its own purpose and meaning. Continuing my existence by any means necessary is enough purpose and meaning for me.

But I wouldn't mind taking some pot-shots at those assholes - as long as I can do so without getting killed (and yes, I do believe that is more than possible.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 6:13 utc | 217

So, friends, every day do something
that won’t compute. Love the Lord.
Love the world. Work for nothing.
Take all that you have and be poor.
Love someone who does not deserve it.
Denounce the government and embrace
the flag. Hope to live in that free
republic for which it stands.
Posted by: juliania | Jul 2 2020 23:32 utc | 64

The whole poem is fantastic but I cut out the above to show what resonated most with me. To me, the essence of true Christianity is the rejection of material self-interest beyond that which sustains the health of the mind and body and embracing the idea of unconditional love through "good works" that help others while bringing little or no material benefit to self. The idea being that we are one and that "brotherly love" ensures that we all live and succeed in our own way and in our own time and that contributing to this ultimately makes us all stronger. Divest from the material to invest in the spiritual, which brings a reward that cannot be bestowed by another person and therefore makes us truly free on Earth while serving God’s purpose.
The (metaphysical concept of) Devil, of course, can poke all sorts of logical holes in this approach to life which, to be fair, is the Devil's role in all this. The Devil will suggest one is a fool for doing something for nothing or believing in an idea for which there is no "proof." The Devil will plot based on animal behaviour patterns which all humans are subject to, which is why it is important to occasionally "do something that won't compute" or "love someone who does not deserve it." Mess up the algorithm of control.
The Devil's crowning achievement to date has been the co-opting of “Christianity” to do his dirty work through the ages. We see this today in Evangelicals who believe that destroying the world to save themselves is a good idea. Many of the World's worst sins have been committed in the name of the Lord. But that is because if the Devil did anything in his own name, without deception as to his purpose, nobody in their right mind would follow.
Thanks for the reminder of what we all know in our hearts to be true.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 4 2020 6:22 utc | 218

This is cool... I despise the notion of "monogamy."

A US first? Massachusetts city votes to recognize polyamorous relationships in domestic partnership policy

OTOH, I despise the notion of the state having any say in the matter in any regard. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 10:24 utc | 219

Why do these assholes on Twitter insist on suggesting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Barack Obama as people I might want to follow?

They're the *last* (well, near to the last - before Trump and Hillary Clinton) people I would want to follow.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 10:27 utc | 220

And here's the list of topics Twitter would like me to follow...Sums up America right there... Note that the only people I'm following now on my new Twitter account are solely people involved with prepping and computer security. What part of that doesn't Twitter comprehend?

Expand your timeline with Topics
You'll see top Tweets about these right in your Home timeline.
Shane Dawson
Video games

No suggestions that might involve, oh, war with China, war with Iran, the pandemic, the election (unless that's why they were recommending Barack Obama!), the economy crash, etc. No, sports, astrology, video games, and some schmuck named "Shane Dawson" - whoever the hell he is (don't tell me, I don't want to know.)

As an aside, I used to have a Twitter account some years ago. I made 50,000 tweets (and retweets) over six years, mostly on infosec, foreign policy and the occasional celebrity, got tired of the trolls, backed up my posts, and dumped the account. I decided this past week to set it up again solely to follow people in infosec and prepping. I've no intention of tweeting or responding to tweets. Anyone who tweets at me gets blocked instantly. That's the only way to fly on Twitter.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 10:35 utc | 221

Didn't see this coming...Fortunately I rarely use the bus - and never during this pandemic. Wonder how many other cities are hit the same way.

Muni expects to lose the majority of its bus lines permanently as financial devastation mounts

Tumlin noted that Muni won’t succeed if everyone has to maintain 6 feet of separation, which strains capacity and is hard to enforce. Officials have no desire to dispatch police officers to pull riders — many of whom are essential workers — off buses, Tumlin said. For mass transit to survive, U.S. cities should follow models in Europe and Asia, where agencies have strict cleaning regimens, and all riders wear masks.

Many people view automobiles as protective armor against a deadly virus — a mentality that has led to car parades for birthdays, graduations and protests — and it will likely persist in the coming years. Traffic data show that even in a period of remote work, bottlenecks at the Bay Bridge and SoMa are already getting choked during rush hour.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 11:28 utc | 222

Now here's something to pray for... LOL

The Coronavirus Spread In A Dallas Megachurch’s Choir And Orchestra. Then It Hosted Mike Pence.

None of those six people were at the First Baptist church in Dallas during Pence’s hour-and-a-half-hour visit on Sunday, but it's unclear how many of the musicians who performed for Pence may have been exposed during previous practices and performances with those who were infected.

Public health experts have expressed particular concerns about the dangers of indoor singing and wind instruments in large groups, which can readily spread the respiratory virus.

The choir and orchestra performed for Pence without masks, according to a video of the event reviewed by BuzzFeed News.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 11:33 utc | 223 168

What've we got here ?
A very sneaky mofo defecating all over MOA .

Posted by: denk | Jul 4 2020 12:41 utc | 224

450hoax 148
*Also, do we have the name and bio of the scumbag who provided the safe house for Maxwell in New Hampshire? A scumbag that would provide safe harbor for the likes of Maxwell deserves no privacy and should be run out of the country to Israel, Russia or China where they belong and would be welcomed and applauded for raping young, nubile, vulnerable "Amurikkkans."*

Where else would such a scumbag belong to except, the
breeding ground for scumbags like Bolton, Mccain, Pompass, Trump....450hoax etc etc. ?

What a fucking idiot !

Posted by: denk | Jul 4 2020 12:50 utc | 225

@AP 218
"The Devil will plot based on animal behaviour patterns which all humans are subject to, which is why it is important to occasionally "do something that won't compute" or "love someone who does not deserve it." Mess up the algorithm of control."
Wow. Where were u earlier in my life. The religious angle didn't cloud the wisdom of that quote. Came to the same conclusion recently and I'm currently actively trying to live my life by it. For anyone who's at a low in life and feel hopeless or in a rutt this is a way out.
@RSH 221
Shane Dawson is...
LOL. In an everlasting life I'll seek u out if just to smoke a fatty around a campfire. Pretty sure we'd see the dawn.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 4 2020 15:10 utc | 226

Dershowitz, not surprisingly, has an article published in Spectatorr where he claims Ghislaine Maxwell is a misunderstood saint of a woman and that all of Epstein's victims are lying little underage whores. Dershowitz speaks for ALL of Israel and for ALL of the Jewish people on this planet until I see him excoriated and ostracized by the latter by them and brought to justice.

The Ghislaine Maxwell I Know

My wife and I were introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell by Sir Evelyn and Lady Lynne de Rothschild, and we subsequently met her on several occasions — generally in the presence of prominent people such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Nobel Prize-winning scientists, presidents of universities, and prominent academic and business people. We never saw her do anything inappropriate. We knew her only as Jeffrey Epstein’s thirty-something girlfriend.

Now she stands accused of serious crimes allegedly committed a quarter of a century ago. Like every other arrested person, she must be presumed innocent. Many in the public however, will presume her guilty because of the portrayal of her in the Netflix series about Jeffrey Epstein. But no one should believe anything they saw in that series, because it was based largely on the accounts of two women with histories of making dubious accusations.

Posted by: | Jul 4 2020 15:38 utc | 227


death is only evil to those with no respect for the natural boundaries of creation and no faith for the possibility that our energy transfers to a different form once our meat suit expires.

humans have already crossed all the critical boundaries intended to keep us in check. personally--and I know this will sound crazy--but I think transhumanists are being suckered by a non-human intelligence into thinking they can live forever, but it's more likely you'll just become enslaved, borg-like, to a cold, sociopathic/technocratic system that breeds life in tubes so you have enough spare parts do what exactly? impart your wisdom to your peers?

I'm sure Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and all the other brilliant, wealthy people who will be able to afford the ticket price of living forever will be great fun to hang out with.

if that's the future, I will gladly accept my natural expiration date.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 16:12 utc | 228


Spot on. This is what I say to my christian relatives about heaven. I tell them thanks but no thanks, I'll take a pass on heaven and go straight to hell thank you because the thought of eternity in heaven with all those in heaven already and slated to be in heaven in the near and distant future, is surely worse than any hell I can imagine. Forf example, I'm sure Pat Lang and his loved ones and all his many friends and admirers are certain he is going to heaven and who knows, maybe he is. I don't want to spend eternity with that likes of that monstrous war criminal and an infinite number of monsters just like him.

Have you noticed how very few evil people go to hell or it's implied they've gone to heaven? Fuck heaven. I'll take nothing after I die for $1,000, Alex rather than spending eternity with the shitbirds who have made life a living hell and promise to make the afterlife the same.

Posted by: | Jul 4 2020 16:35 utc | 229

@228 lizard

And since you're obviously sympathetic with the great store of wisdom in human culture, you may know that Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita advised Arjuna that "Lust can never be satisfied."

If one extended one's life span to 120 years, and increased one's wealth holdings to $1 Trillion - none of this would ever be enough.

Satisfying desire is not achieved by getting the thing you think you want. Dealing with desire is a practice much more close to home.

Lust, greed, desire, yearning - all the same branch of deluded thought.

Aspiration is different, by the way. Aspiration falls into a different strain of thought, bound up with selflessness rather than selfishness.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 4 2020 16:42 utc | 230

Lizard@203 asks that we consider the Bible as script - okay.

Here is something that gets said by Christ at the last supper, which occurs right at the beginning of what he is saying there - "A new commandment I give you..."

What commandment? He is speaking to a very small band of brothers, who have followed him through thick and thin hearing this and that about everything they are encountering, lots of parables, lots of references to Old Testament rules and regulations, and always the troubling (to Pharisees) statement that he's the one who can tell about God because even Moses was a stranger at times to Him - Moses who wrote the first five books of what we call 'the Bible' (in Greek 'ta biblia' - 'the little books'.)

The new commandment, repeated several times, is that " love one another as I have loved you." Not just 'Love one another' period, but "as I have loved you." In other words,as Dostoievski will point out, active love is different from love in dreams, and that's what John, who was 'the disciple Jesus loved' is telling us in his record of the sayings of Jesus. And John is given the title, in my faith, of 'theologian' - 'one who speaks about God.' This title was formerly given to ancient Greek poets who did this. And to us in the faith, John is not just 'a theologian'; he is the theologian.

I think John gets the courage to actually rewrite the beginning of the first book of Moses, Genesis, from this new commandment that he hears repeated at the last supper. "In the beginning was the word"
is John's retelling of the story of creation. My big church has the text for Saint John's rewriting of Moses' opening words on Easter night, and in our little church we would give to each of us who had a different native language that text to recite in our native language, wherever in the church each was standing. Happened around midnight in a tiny church packed full of standing people. An English version, then a Russian version, then Greek, then Tlingit, and on... Electric.

Lizard asks us to consider the Apocalypse, the Book of Revalations, also written by John. We are asked by Lizard to consider how hatred of active love (which - active love itself - Dostoievski says is a harsh and dreadful thing)- hatred of that sort of love might manifest into a technological ENACTMENT of end times events.'

Right on, Lizard.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2020 17:02 utc | 231

@229 i'm chortling at the consternation he must feel as memorabilia of his beloved confederacy are dumped on the trash heap of history.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 4 2020 17:04 utc | 232

virus cases are spiking in dallas. fitting if pence caught it here, but it seems to be all over the trump administration.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 4 2020 17:06 utc | 233

Has anyone seen a photo of Maxwell since the supposed arrest? We need a continuity editor over here. Re-write on the set!

We are being played. None of this is real.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 4 2020 17:12 utc | 234

Posted by: lizard #228

"death is only evil to those with no respect for the natural boundaries of creation and no faith for the possibility that our energy transfers to a different form once our meat suit expires."

We continue to extend human lifespan (unnaturally) through having learned how to prevent sickness and death from various diseases. That process of discovery is hardly different than research into the causes of aging and the diseases that ultimately cause our death, whatever the cause be it cancer, heart disease, pneumonia, dementia, whatever. Why is a dog old at 15 yet a human is not even an adult by the same age? What is it in living things that control the biological clock of cellular aging and senescence? Personally I think it's a fascinating area of research.

Posted by: krypton | Jul 4 2020 17:12 utc | 235

"Revelations", sorry.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2020 17:12 utc | 236

i'd also like to say 'right on lizard'! thanks lizard for voicing some of my own thoughts @228 to rsh..

@ greived.. i like the word aspiration and to aspire... do you think someone can aspire to be the president of the usa?

juliania... it seems to me the book often referred to as 'the bible' is mostly a selected collection of stories that were decided upon by a group of people that eventually became associated with the church... along the way more people found out how certain books were accepted - because they conformed with the set ideology of the time and other books were ignored, because they were either too metaphysical or abstract to be able to appreciate by a more literal mind.. but i am curious what you mean by "my big church"..

Posted by: james | Jul 4 2020 17:19 utc | 237

@232 Your chortles may be premature. Trump is going to create a garden for all the unwanted statues.

"US President Donald Trump has ordered the creation of a "National Garden of American Heroes" to defend what he calls "our great national story" against those who vandalise statues."

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2020 17:22 utc | 238

@ at 238 yeah yeah he ordered a wall, too. and he tried to order the military to intervene in the protests. not that i really prefer biden, who is a senile husk of the politican i used to hate for his corruption and warmongering. what a fucking choice we get.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 4 2020 17:25 utc | 239


Dallas. My old stomping ground. Since statues are relevant, there was a house, we called it the Devil House, adjacent to Inwood Road and the Tollway. It was an multi-acre estate, actually, so more than a house. A castle really, like you would see in England. Apparently, some Cotton Baron owned it and built it in the 19th century.

The grounds were littered with all manner of religious statues. Not your normal religious statues, mind you, but perverse religious statues depicting Mary the Mother of God and Jesus Christ involved in scenes that are bizarre and beggar belief. As bizarre as the statues were, they were "moving" and creepy as all get-out and actually very well done from an artistic perspective..

One statue in the middle of the fountain that was at the center of the circular drive in front of the quasi castle at the end of the winding road to the mansion, was a depiction of Satan raping a young girl. Epstein would have loved it and had he known about this abode, would have tried to purchase it I'm sure. The rape statue presented Satan as half goat and half man. A cloven creature with horns emanating from scalp. The nails at the tips of his fingers were long and pointy. He was taking the young gorl from behind, the top of her dress ripped down to reveal her bosom in full bloom.

We would sneak onto the property and roam around and look at the statues until the caretaker would chase us down and sometimes fire shots, I'm guessing into the sky to scare the shit out of us, which it did of course.

Apparently, the house is owned by a foreign interest and foreign dignitaries stay there when they visit Dallas for business or for other sundry reasons. George W. Bush resides in a development just to the back of this property so he's within spitting distance of it. I'm guessing #BlackLivesMatter won't be tearing down the statues on this property.

Posted by: | Jul 4 2020 17:26 utc | 240

@ 240 i used to go to elementary school near there. the chimp lives nearby, so it must be somewhere between walmut hill and meadow road.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 4 2020 17:40 utc | 241

adding, there were the estates of a couple of local rich guys around there, back when having more than 10 million bucks meant rich, troy post and james ling. it might have been one of those, they both sold i think after financial reverses.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 4 2020 17:46 utc | 242

Re the border incident between India and China. I have ran onto another before and after sat pic of the place which is called patrol point 14 on the Galwin river bend.

This pic shows the site on May 22. India have crossed onto the Chinese side of patrol ppoint 14 a nd started building a post with the road heading further up the river. The is a ford for vehicles and a narrow foot bridge can be seen in the pic.

In this pic, the Indian road can be seen clearly where it follows the foot of the mountains and then crosses the river at point 14.

In this one, debris of the Indian post can be seen and scrolling down the page, Reuters have two side by side sat pics supposedly showing before and after. The before pic is badly distorted and blurred to blot out the Indian post. The sat pic of the day after is interesting though as it shows the Chinese have not yet reached patrol point 14 with a road.

Its looks like China has sent a foot patrol down to patrol point 14 where they pushed the Indians back into the river and the brawl took place on that spit of land somewhere near the foot bridge. There is a high bank there and the place is covered in round river stones which would be good to turf down onto the clowns who think they are destined to rule the world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2020 17:56 utc | 243


Correction, the home was built in 1939. The property is beautiful and there is nothing like it in Dallas. The city has surrounded this sprawling estate of nearly 25 acres so it's an oasis of tranquility amidst the Big City.

The name of the property is the Crespi-Hicks Estate and it recently sold for $36 million dollars at auction. As I mentioned, it was built in 1939 by the famous award-winning, renowned architect Maurice Fatio for the Italian Count Pio Crespi and his wife Florence. Eventually it was purchased in 1969 by the current owner of the Texas Rangers Tom Hicks, Dubya's friend in fact who purchased the Texas Rangers from Dubya's ownership consortium for $250 million netting Dubya quite a return on his investment.

Also, it's adjacent to Walnut Hill Road and the Tollway, not Inwood Road.

Here's a link about the estate. The insane bizarre statue in front is gone. Not sure about the many other bizarre evocative/provocative statues sprinkled about the grounds in the day especially in the back yard. I wonder who got the rape statue? Maybe Epstein. Or Maxwell. Or Dershowitz perhaps. Maybe Dubya can render a painting of it considering how talented a painter he is. He's better than Ricard Painter even.

Crespi-Hicks Estate

Posted by: | Jul 4 2020 18:03 utc | 244

The second link again from post 243.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2020 18:06 utc | 245

@239 I think Trump will get a lot of support for his statue garden. It's a way to hit back at antifa.

He can melt the statues down for scrap as far as I'm concerned. I'm just interested in the tactics.

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2020 18:08 utc | 246


You're correct, I made the correction in @244. When I lived in Dallas, I attended Dallas Jesuit College Prep. My brothers ultimately did also. They also attended St. Monica. We were charity cases and fish out of water at Dallas Jesuit College Prep. Many of my classmates are now multi-millionaires. Not me, and I don't regret it one bit. I wouldn't be me if I was a multi-millionaire. They ALL had the skids greased for them and they knew it. Arrogant, conceited motherfuckers. There are exceptions to this rule but it is the rule. From what I hear, it's only gotten worse.

Posted by: | Jul 4 2020 18:10 utc | 247

This video showing the standoff between China and India in the Galwin river valley was put on youtube on June 1st.
Poor quality video. Indians on one side of the river video a standoff between Indians and Chinese on the other side of the river. The Indians are armed with sticks and the Chinese have riot shields.
Looking ant the rockslides and the slight bend in the river, it looks to be just north of where the Chinese had their camp set up at the time of the incident. About a kilometer in on the Chinese side from patrol point 14.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2020 20:12 utc | 248

The façade is busted:

Time magazine bitterly exposed the U.S. malicious activities in HKSAR

A shocking report by the Time magazine discovered that the Trump administration was deeply involved in inflaming violence and supporting rioters in China's Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) through less-known but very powerful U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), which oversees several foreign news initiatives including Voice of America and Radio Free Asia.

Posted by: vk | Jul 4 2020 20:53 utc | 249

Whitney Webb interviewed by Ryan Christian discussing the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell, best analysis you will find, IMHO.

Webb has done phenomenal work connecting all kinds of interesting dots. I mean, they're laughing at you with names like Carbyne911, don't ya know.

Webb reminded me Peter Thiel is connected to that one, dude who named his other surveillance product after a seeing eye stone in Lord of the Rings (Palantir).

Lord of the Rings, directed by Peter Jackson, same Peter Jackson who used LOTS of his own money and influence to create a deceptive narrative of wrong doing against Damien Echols, one of three young people accused of murdering two boys, crimes they DID commit.

Damien Echols, proud member of the OTO, which of course connects to Aleister Crowley.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 21:10 utc | 250

As bad as they already are, the COVID numbers for CA would be even worse this 4th of July weekend if a major hot spot hadn't stop reporting. The pause that refreshes.

Posted by: snow_watcher | Jul 4 2020 21:13 utc | 251

This is what China shut down with its new security laws for Hong Kong. Also interesting reading for anyone foolish enough to use Tor.

"The OTF is little-known outside the world of open source technology, but its funding has contributed to the development of secure communications tools used by protesters in Hong Kong and around the world. It was a key early funder of Signal, the encrypted messaging app of choice for many Hong Kong protesters. Between 2012 and 2016, it donated nearly $3 million to the development of the encryption protocol the app is built on. (The app has since received at least $50 million in other private investment.) The OTF has also directed funds toward projects dedicated to collecting and preserving information shared on the Chinese social networks Weibo and Wechat before posts are censored. It has also invested more than $6 million in Tor, the encrypted internet service that can mask browsing habits from authorities, popular among dissidents around the world."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2020 21:30 utc | 252

test, test, I've had two comments not show up...

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 21:40 utc | 253

TB and Covid-19. I first started looking into this based on a post by The Saker ( He embedded a link (Hart's Island). I clicked on it, then clicked a few more times from there, and the result was chilling. (Reading the WHO's comments on TB and Covid-19 makes me nauseous.) I watched a bit of news coverage today on TB spreading in South Africa due to Covid-19. People stay at home and avoid getting tested. Based on this, I researched a little and thought I'd post some food for thought (this is an open thread after all.)

"COVID-19, tuberculosis, and poverty: preventing a perfect storm"

"COVID-19 is likely to have catastrophic effects on tuberculosis, another global pandemic (fig. 1) [3]. Tuberculosis has long been the world's leading infectious killer, until on April 1st 2020 COVID-19 overtook tuberculosis as the infectious disease killing the most people per day. It is no coincidence that the areas of the world predicted to be most affected by the social and economic consequences of COVID-19 are also the areas with the highest tuberculosis burden [4]. This is because tuberculosis is a social as well as infectious disease – poorer, undernourished people living in densely populated areas are at higher risk of tuberculosis, and tuberculosis entrenches poverty by increasing costs, reducing income, and causing stigma and discrimination [5–7]. Indeed, poverty is the key driver of the tuberculosis pandemic, with several studies demonstrating how tuberculosis incidence rates rise and fall in association with measures of socioeconomic development and social protection."

I have to wonder if this title should be "perfecting a perfect storm"?

Back in 2018, Salvini claimed that migrants were spreading TB to Italy:

I know nothing about Italian politics but is it possible that whoever sponsors Salvini might consider different strategies to eliminate migrants from Italy? (I presume he has powerful backers like political leaders in other countries.)

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 4 2020 22:08 utc | 254

I haven't seen such desperate profiling in a good while, maybe never. Because that is what is happening here now in case anyone wonders.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 4 2020 22:08 utc | 255

Posted by: lizard | Jul 4 2020 16:12 utc | 228 you'll just become enslaved, borg-like, to a cold, sociopathic/technocratic system that breeds life in tubes so you have enough spare parts do what exactly?

You've seen too many Matrix movies. :-)

"if that's the future, I will gladly accept my natural expiration date."

There was an episode of the original Mission: Impossible series back in the '70s. The target of the team was a millionaire who happened to believe in UFOs and life extension (the MI team posed as aliens in a contact scenario - one of the more ridiculous episodes.) There was a scene where his doctor is discussing life extension with him. The doctor says, "What would we do if everyone lived forever? The world couldn't handle it." The millionaire replies, "I said I want to live forever. I didn't say I wanted you to."

Anyone who wants to die has my blessing. Anyone with that little imagination should die. However, I suspect that once life extension becomes a reality - no matter what form it takes - most of you will be lining up the day before. You'll damn sure be wanting it the hour before you die. As I said, there are negative psychological reasons for anyone denying the value of life extension.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 22:59 utc | 256

The headlines from the anti China propaganda pieces currently making the news at Australian Broadcasting Commission site.

Morrison is facing a tough decision with striking parallels to China 31 years ago

War is no longer unthinkable — and Australia is arming itself

Australia's hour of reckoning is closing in

Hong Kong has delivered Scott Morrison's Tiananmen Square moment

China isn't just after Hong Kong's protesters. It wants the city's children

China's long game

China issues warning to India, as tensions flare with Philippines over South China Sea

First charges laid under new HK security law

Hong Kong's new law

Chinese hair shipment seized

China's new swine flu

Concern over Uyghurs

Hong Kong's handover

Haven for Hong Kongers

Fourteen propaganda pieces on just two pages, their home page and their world news page. War is no longer unthinkable? Wonder where they got that thought?

Pentagon stink tank Rand Corp had a similar headline a few years back.
"War with China. Thinking Through the Unthinkable"

This recent provocation by India presented to the world as China encroaching on India - reading through the Indian media they are crazy enough to start a war with China when they think US is backing them. It will be presented as China attacking India and the way things are shaping up, five-eyes may well be planning to use that as an excuse to put something like Rand Corps naval blockade of China into action.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2020 23:36 utc | 257

@ RSH with the transhumanist BS

I generally ignore your comments but let me throw this question at you.

Lets have as a given that the science folks on our planet agree that the Cosmos and everything in it is about 5% matter, of which us humans know a little bit about, and the rest is unknown stuff called dark energy and dark matter.

If you and all the rest of us Homo, not so Sapien's are 95% stuff that science is basically clueless about then how does your transhumanism get there from here? and in who's lifetime?

The shit I smoke doesn't give me the delusions you seem to have.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2020 0:19 utc | 258

@253 Sunny Runny Burger.. even when a person directs a comment or question to someone else, it can be ignored or passed over, but i was curious about what you were referring to specifically.... i guess i am too dense to pick it up.. it is probably why i ask as many questions as i do...

@ peter au.. thanks for your various posts....

@ lizard - maybe they are being held up in moderation...

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2020 1:12 utc | 259

Can't believe I'm so bored I'm butting in on the transhumanist debate.
RSH or my moa bfam needs no backup but y do those of u against his idea of living forever seem so adamant about convincing him of his dark road ahead? Y does his "religion" have to inflict upon yours seemingly?
Personally I believe that in a perfect world y wouldn't everyone want to live forever? If it doesn't come at the expense of our children/others? It's easy to get bored of life but it usually means you're not living it right. Use your imagination ffs. I'm not saying let's spend 2 percent of GDP on life saving tech to serve the interests of the elites to enjoy their privileges into the afterlife. Medical science as a by product of trying cure man's ills has already unlocked so much. The question of God vs man may be answered in our lifetimes and many of u may have to legitimately ask yourselves if you're willing to go down the road of being more than human. Worth the debate.
Religious arguments aside of course.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 5 2020 1:43 utc | 260

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2020 23:36 utc | 255

Peter, please tell me how you feel about Scott Morrison? Each passing days he seem more and more warlike almost passionately looking for an immediate fight with China even without Trump. Why does he hate China so much?

Lately, news Huawei's G5 seem stuck in the pipelines everywhere except Russia and some Latin America countries and even Singapore with Chinese majority gave Huawei the smaller pie while the two major players chooses Ericsson and Nokia for the 5G roll out. Even Kevin Rudd lately is hostile toward China and his son-in-law a Chinese national

One more... you know full well China never send a single soldier into Australia but the Jap tried during ww2 and many thousands Ozzie died fighting the Jap with the British.

Posted by: JC | Jul 5 2020 2:28 utc | 261

Eight nations alliance,
Burning of YUan mIng Yuan
Indian jawans were up to its eyeballs in raping,
pillaging thru Bejing together with their anglo

JFK goaded Nehru to pick fight with China,
when their white masters bark 'jump', what else
could the Indians say but 'how high my lord ?'
India paid a heavy price for that stupitidy.
JFKennedy despatched an aircraft carrier battle
group to back up his Indian cousines but the
battle was over while its still on the way.

FFW 2020.
Its Trump the great white hoax who prodded
India to poke the dragon again.
The orange clown already had THREE
carrier battle groups on standby in GUam
to shore up Delhi's back bone .

Ironically, its the Kennedy Centre in Yale which
theorise that this time around, the Indians
enjoyed overwhelming military superiority
, this is the chance to avenge their 1962 humiliation.
Not surprisingly, the ever so delusional Indians
fall for it hook line and sinker.
To be fair, the Indians have been carrying this
big chip on their shoulders ever since that 1962
debacle, they dont really need much prodding from abroad.
The Indians are sourcing arms like crazy from
their white buddies, who'r only too eager to

China beware, Indian delusion are legendary,
especially with their powerful anglo buddies
egging them on.

A common refrain we keep hearing these days,
'This time is different, we've nukes' !
MInd you, they actually called the agni5 missile
'China killer' !
Can you imagine the hue and cry coming outta
the [[[five liars]]] if China had made such
bellicose statement ?

Radioactive in Asia .
A [[[five liars]]] wet dream.

Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2020 3:22 utc | 262

Kanye West for president. With Elon Musk's money and the fact he thinks he's black jeezus we're all saved. Omg think me ribs just broke. Amazing times.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 5 2020 3:43 utc | 263

@ denk | Jul 5 2020 3:22 utc | 260 who wrote
Radioactive in Asia .
A [[[five liars]]] wet dream.

Radioactive in Asia = radioactive everywhere
Other countries will not accept "A [[[five liars]]] wet dream."

Its a MAD world for a reason.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2020 3:44 utc | 264

JC 259

For the same reason Chinese were killed at Lambing Flat.
Racial superiority.
If you are in Australia JC and have a family, best to get them out while you can. The anglosphere does not take kindly to China becoming the economic center of the world.

Before the anti china propaganda had become full on, I went on a trip to China with my daughter. Although I was doubtful of the propaganda, it was only then that I realized it was not the Chinese people but myself that lived in a police state.

If you are in oz - take care JC.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2020 4:41 utc | 265

denk 260

I was thinking something a little politically incorrect - perhaps not as US was flying the gay flag in Moscow - that was shoring up India's backbone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2020 4:49 utc | 266

The puffed up meat chickens on steroids that pose as US special forces may have a little viagra added to their diet to stiffen the backbones of the Indians, though going by the Indian rout in the recent clash, more viagra is required. Perhaps the yanks should be shipping their surplus captogan to india rather than Europe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2020 4:57 utc | 267

The private financialization self licking ice cream cone has arrived

JPMorgan Concludes The World Is Drowning In Too Much Debt For Stocks To Go Down Again

The take away quote
.......there is just too much debt in the world right now for either interest rates to go up again, or for stocks to go down. And that, being the dumbest yet perhaps most accurate analysis we have read in a while, is how virtually all strategists on Wall Street just became obsolete, because no amount of brilliant analysis will ever again top what is truly the bottom line for a world drowning in debt - the system will continue growing on the back of trillions and trillions in debt, until one [day] everything comes crashing down.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2020 5:51 utc | 268

psychohistorian 266

If the crash comes first, we can all breath a sigh of relief. At the moment, it is a toss up between what comes first - war or crash. A lot of ostriches think that war cannot happen, but history is strewn with failed conquerers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2020 6:26 utc | 269

The rape statue presented Satan as half goat and half man. A cloven creature with horns emanating from scalp. The nails at the tips of his fingers were long and pointy. He was taking the young girl from behind ...

Posted by: | Jul 4 2020 17:26 utc | 240

I bet that this is a statue with a standard theme of antique art "a satyr and a maiden". It was very typical in paintings on Athenian ceramics where the typical scene of heterosexual sex would have the woman resting palms and knees on the ground, with historical explanation that soft beds were still unknown in that era, so this position predominated. It stands to reason that as the words of Gospel was spreading to folks who did not have soft beds either, missionaries had their work cut out for them. BTW, homosexual scenes in Greek painting tend to be coded as a mature man gifting a rooster to a young man -- perhaps it is related to the myth of Ganymedes and Zeus.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 5 2020 6:58 utc | 270

So the gold belonging to the venezuelan state is handed over to Guaido,because limey sucker judge ordains so.I wonder,if someone takes out Guaido,will the gold hoard fall back to its previous and only legal owner,or will they find a successor to Guaido? Really,I would not care to throw a big bomb on the City but I'll try a song to destroy those cunts.
I hope Iran and Venezuela stand up against the newly planned piracy of their goods and oil transfer.

Posted by: willie | Jul 5 2020 7:13 utc | 271

Really,Hack!,I infinitely prefer spending eternity in company of an intelligent deep-feeling person as lizard,than with bionic boredom personified in you.Why do you keep on pushing this obvious nonsense?

Posted by: willie | Jul 5 2020 7:29 utc | 272

willie 269

You really that naive willie? The yanks now have the gold. All in the anglo family.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2020 7:33 utc | 273

Same as Trump wanted Syrian oil to help defray the cost of destroying Syria, he also expects Venezuela to pay the cost of their destruction.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2020 7:39 utc | 275

Beijing has included Bhutan’s ‘Eastern sectors’ to the boundary dispute between the two countries for the first time

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 5 2020 7:40 utc | 276

The Troll antonym that has taken up residence here of late is hard at work earning its keep.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2020 7:57 utc | 277

This is creepy. Sounds like a message sent by a certain number of highly ranked ppl.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 5 2020 8:07 utc | 278

Mina @ 276
I agree with you there Mina, I think we can watch the cover up going on day by day.
I don’t have a tv, but have just been told ther was a U.K. tv prog last night about prince Andrews marriage, and told it was ‘very positive about him’
I don’t know which channel it was on.
My take on the link you provide - - It shows there are things she doesn’t want to talk about, so by omission if he’d been ‘clean’ there wouldn’t be any thing that needed hiding. Guilty in my opinion.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2020 8:42 utc | 279

Yes,Peter AU,naivete is part of my personality.But my question is actually:how will the legal scum be able to transfer this doubtful "legal" right of Guaido's to venezolan gold to another person or entity.This needs an answer that is "legally" valid,but when there is no successor to Guaido,how will the lawyers proceed?By appointing a new "interim" president?

Posted by: willie | Jul 5 2020 9:12 utc | 280

Mark2, Andrew has a new problem anyway
(not yet mentioned on the bbc, although it was published in the daily telegraph today; will they?)

Posted by: Mina | Jul 5 2020 9:16 utc | 282

The Galwan Valley might well turn into China's South Ossetia: a worthless piece of land that is relentlessly used by the US to foment hostility towards China in India.

Posted by: Ukraden | Jul 5 2020 11:16 utc | 283

Mina @ 280
We all have our own ‘moral compass’ personaly I think having sex with minors is really disgusting ! Then there’s the abuse of power and influence involved in this case. Both before and after the ‘fact’
But why should this be an issue now ? Why should any one care ? Well I do ! For all the above reasons. But also ———
Basicly speaking, The British and American governments have very possibly been run under the influence of an Israeli blackmail syndicate!! For how many years. Including geo-politics.
Tying in with the topic up thread regarding - -
Robert Maxwells daughter being a ‘wrong un’
Alister Crowley’s daughter becoming mrs George Bush.
Well there’s this - -
Prince Andrews ex- wife Sarah Ferguson’s Father Major Ronald Ferguson had his own scandal !
Turns out he liked to be caned by young lady’s as a sexual fetish ! (It’s a public school boy thing!)
I’m seeing a pattern here, is any one else ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2020 11:36 utc | 284

The Transhumanist nonsense is being pushed because it is the religion of our Masters.Or at least the religion of the most seriously mentally ill of the Masters. Troll walks into the bar and pushes the most noxious spew he can imagine. It is his way of laughing in our face.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 5 2020 11:42 utc | 285

Yes, it is about money laundering and political blackmail on an unprecedent scale (apart for the banks and states' scale, of course)

Posted by: Mina | Jul 5 2020 12:03 utc | 286

Mina @ 284
Include the banks, I would !
The history of the Rothschild bank would be the start and finish of this sorry tale.
( Other banks are also available )

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2020 12:35 utc | 287


It's amazing how forty years distorts memories. I found a photo of the statue. It's not exactly as I remembered it, but it is a statue of a beastly creature with horns protruding from its head raping a young, nubile maiden. From closer inspection, it looks to be maritime in nature. The lower half of the beast's body looks to have scales. The horns on the head I remembered correctly. Also, as you can see, the beast was not taking her from behind and she is not clothed, instead she's fully nude with her small but firm breats fully exposed.

It was forty years prior and it was pitch dark, so I'm cutting myself some slack. This house was not well-lit whenever we were trespassing, so it was hard to make out details like scales on the legs of the beast.

The Rape Statue

As far as I'm concerned, they could have chosen this location to film the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene. It is this mysterious and tied to power. Here's a blurb about the original owners and their incredible connections. The house was opened up to Ronald Reagan when he was campaigning for POTUS. No doubt his visit and stay at the house was a blessing and ordination of sorts. I wonder what Florence and Pio thought about Camelot and what role, if any, they had in his demise?

I remembered correctly the owner was a Cotton Baron. Pio's Italian family was wealthy beyond compare. They owned the cotton market in Italy. It would be interesting to research their ties to Mussolini and fascism. As we know, the wealthy in Italy used fascism and the fascists to contain the communists and maintain their wealth, power and standing in perpetuity. They threw their lot in with Mussolini and Co.. I would imagine the Crespis were no different and by virtue of Florence's support for Ronald Reagan, well, zebras stripes are forever.

Fyi, Tom Hicks bought the mansion in 1999, not 1969, after Florence passed away after turning 100. Rich fucks like this live a long time, don't they? Pio lived into his late eighties. The architect Fatio, by contrast, died of lung cancer at a relatively early age and his wife died a year later.

The Devil Inside, The Devil Inside, Every...

Posted by: | Jul 5 2020 12:40 utc | 288

Antonym 274

The neighborhood bully playing the victim, for
crying out loud !

Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2020 13:10 utc | 289

: psychohistorian 262

MAD are for sane people.

Currently the inmates are running the asylum
in the [[[six liars]]] land.
The Indians built their nuke program for one
purpose get back at the Chinese.

Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2020 13:22 utc | 290

India is the master of playing both sides,
exactly like their anglo cousins,.

Just like 1962, Bharat is getting the
'best' of both world..

Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2020 13:28 utc | 291

Peter AU1 265

I did read somewhere the murikkans explained the
need to redeploy troops from Germany and elsewhere
to support their Indian cousins, who are being
'bullied' by tiny Nepal and BHutan.


Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2020 13:34 utc | 292

I mean, why not at this point. It's a circus, afterall. Unlike Trump, and Biden, West is truly a successful businessman who has helped launch numerous careers. He's an icon in his industry and that's apparently all that matters to be "elected" POTUS. Elon Musk has already publicly stated he supports Kanye West. Musk is not alone.

Kanye West Sets Off July 4th Fireworks With White House 2020 Bid; “Power” Rapper Plans To Take On Trump & Biden

West 2020 What Do You Have To Lose?

Posted by: | Jul 5 2020 13:34 utc | 293

West has promised that if Xi helps him get elected, he will rename Washington D.C., Peking. Like Moscow on the Hudson, we will have Peking on the Potomac. Cool.

Confucius say, don't mix governance and entertainment, else you end up with Donald Trump and Kanye West as president.

Posted by: | Jul 5 2020 13:57 utc | 294

As shown in this article, recent research shows that the SARS-CoV-2 virus existed long before governments would have us believe:

It certainly appears that the blame for the COVID-19 pandemic should not be laid at the feet of China and that the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus could well be far, far wider than we are being led to believe by "the experts" and government officials. Posted by: Sally Snyder @ 4

Yes, you point, that all four of the human susceptible Coroa Virus have existed for some time, and are distributed nearly everywhere coupled with the article ( I published earlier), both suggest it might be possible that the infectivity of the virus can be remotely controlled ( turned up / or down) by an external power source.
maybe by either or both of 5g and the satellite? The elements to investigate, might be the various factors that are associated to modifying, transforming or disrupting the bilayer membrane space on the human host cell. that is the S1 S2 bond.. can directed external energy assist the virus to infect the human host cell.

One study I saw recently showed that those without 5g were nearly not sick with virus
while those with heavy 5g were experiencing high infection rates.

some one with a lab needs to do a study wave frequency vs infection capability at multi intensity (power) settings. to see if it might be easy to demonstrate that virus infectivity can changed by electrical or optical energy.

Posted by: snake | Jul 5 2020 14:03 utc | 295

I am going to try and post this comment for a THIRD time, this time without the link to the interview:

Whitney Webb interviewed by Ryan Christian discussing the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell, best analysis you will find, IMHO.

Webb has done phenomenal work connecting all kinds of interesting dots. I mean, they're laughing at you with names like Carbyne911, don't ya know.

Webb reminded me Peter Thiel is connected to that one, dude who named his other surveillance product after a seeing eye stone in Lord of the Rings (Palantir).

Lord of the Rings, directed by Peter Jackson, same Peter Jackson who used LOTS of his own money and influence to create a deceptive narrative of wrong doing against Damien Echols, one of three young people accused of murdering two boys, crimes they DID commit.

Damien Echols, proud member of the OTO, which of course connects to Aleister Crowley.

Did I mention Jasun Horsley's book, The Vice of Kings, has a subtitle? it's How Socialism, Occultism, and the Sexual Revolution Engineered a Culture of Abuse.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 5 2020 14:07 utc | 296

Want to know why Britain is fucked over the you go...

'Crystal clear' that drunk people can't socially distance -- UK police officer

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 5 2020 14:11 utc | 297

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2020 0:19 utc | 256 The shit I smoke doesn't give me the delusions you seem to have.

Since you ignore my comments, you won't mind if I ignore your stupid question.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 5 2020 14:13 utc | 298

comment 289 is for peterau1 264

Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2020 14:24 utc | 299

Kanye may get a sizable protest vote at least until the first debate where Donny will poke his ego and he'll lose his shit and call the Don a rascist. Biden will stutter in the background and finally yell: "you're a rascist Kanye, I mean I'm a rascist...wait no u. U. Guy with the weird hair. Do I know u? What's my line? Is it nap time?"
Kanye will attack Trump by drop kicking him in the face. The ss will move in and taze Kanye like it was 1999.
Can't wait. At least we'll get to see more of kk and what's wrong with that? Right ladies? Maybe jayz will be vp and we can get a Beyonce kk double bill.

Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 5 2020 14:47 utc | 300

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