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July 2, 2020
Open Thread 2020-52
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Posted by: Russ | Jul 3 2020 6:04 utc | 97 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 6:33 utc | 101 Maxwell’s arrest makes me wonder if it is not about Trump throwing down the gauntlet? Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 6:51 utc | 102 Another example of what hackers *might* able to do… (PSA: I have *no* idea whether *any* of this information is correct – but wouldn’t it be great if it was?)
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 6:51 utc | 103 JC #72 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 6:53 utc | 104 France is preparing to train Saudi soldiers in a specially built camp! Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 6:59 utc | 105 Vietnam supports HKSAR Basic Law, related regulations Posted by: JC | Jul 3 2020 7:01 utc | 106 Elon Musk is apparently also an idiot… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 7:04 utc | 107 Mina #101
Thank you Mina, yes that or the deep state throwing down the gauntlet. I don’t think we can assume that Trump actually has control of the FBI. If he did he would likely have deep sixed the Democrazis through the Awan family spy and blackmail scam. But he didn’t. They and Debbie Wasserman Shultz were protected/had dirt on DT. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 7:08 utc | 108 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 6:53 utc | 103 Posted by: JC | Jul 3 2020 7:13 utc | 109 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 7:08 utc | 107 Yes, they cried AND she has experience!! Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 7:16 utc | 110 Both Epstein and his spotter were nothing more than consumables that thought they were were players. I’m not sure what the tabloid interest in this pair of clowns is all about. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2020 7:19 utc | 111 Re ‘the pair’ and CHOP Posted by: Carol Davidek-Waller | Jul 3 2020 7:43 utc | 112 Libya’s largest oil field is in good hands and likely production will get underway soon. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:10 utc | 113 Thank you, bemildred@60 and Grieved @ 75! Bravo, Mongolia! And bravo Indi! That article brings tears to my eyes, it really does. I see there are other successes listed also, below. Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 8:16 utc | 114 Richard Steven Hack #109
Thanks RSH, that’s what I think will unfold. The Untouchables and no Elliot Ness to burnish the reputation of any law enforcement. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:17 utc | 115 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 3 2020 7:19 utc | 110 I’m not sure what the tabloid interest in this pair of clowns is all about. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 8:19 utc | 116 Sorry, that was Grieved @ 78, and yes, Grieved @ 84, truly a wondrous poem! I also have been inspired by Kierkegaard from having to do a paper on his ‘Philosophical Fragments’ way way back in the day. I loved what he said about Socrates (sorry I can’t quote it) but mainly too his expression of the entry of Christ into the world as being when eternity touches time, so it radiates both forward and back as being the ‘now’ of ‘now and ever and unto ages of ages’ so that the spiritual wisdom of the ancients also partook of the light. The college person I was hadn’t ever thought along those lines but it is something like leaving one’s mind as a signpost – Kierkegaard did that for me. Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 8:30 utc | 117 Houthis in Yemen are progressively circling ISIS and could soon have them in a cauldron if Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:37 utc | 118 Richard Steven Hack #115
Well, blatant is not a concept that the oligarch class actually feel any problem with. Think $SIX TRILLION in six months. These turds do blatant for breakfast and then order seconds. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:46 utc | 119 My last comment on Kierkegaard was for Nemesis Calling @ 61. And to those who got a bad taste from their exposure to Christianity (so called), you might be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. If that were all it was, I would join you. It’s a bit like BLM being co-opted by the Democratic Party. If that can happen in politics, you bet it happens in religion! Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 8:53 utc | 120 Peter AU1 #110
Ghislaine Maxwell and Les Wexner are the boss and Epstein was the CEO at their bidding. Wexner GAVE Epstein the Manhatten apartment. That is a five story large building and it was already fully fitted out with recording gear from the handover day. They don’t come cheap. This was one of the biggest, deliberate global entrapment rackets the world has seen. Ghislaine was the handler and Wexner the financier and front man. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 8:55 utc | 121 But I can’t resist Hoarsewhisperer’s ‘pie in the sky’ comment – not true! See:
Do you see? It’s life on earth that is the great gift, not pie in the sky! That’s the Russian religious concept. That’s Putin’s religion! Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 9:06 utc | 122 The Maxwell trial will be a carefully choreographed nothing burger ! Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 9:23 utc | 123 The Maxwell trial for the show and the annexation in the background? With no cash allowed to flow to the axis of resistance (no banks, no planes, no Gulf expats enabled to bring in cash without the virus risk?). Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 9:37 utc | 124 Jalp @ 74 Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 9:48 utc | 125 NemesisCalling @ 28 Posted by: Seer | Jul 3 2020 10:34 utc | 126 Just to add to my above ——— Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 10:38 utc | 127 vk @ 34 Posted by: Seer | Jul 3 2020 10:45 utc | 128 From the end of the article Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 10:48 utc | 129 The Russian Constitution Was Projected Onto the US Embassy Building in Moscow Posted by: Ashino | Jul 3 2020 11:20 utc | 130 Trump pardon Lt Clint Lorance story. We all have our preferred narratives, ‘split second decision’ vs. ‘yet another war criminal’ but these cases must always be judged individually on the specific facts. by: Christian J. Chuba @ 6 <== USA, like so many governments in NATO, have become full blown criminal enterprises?
1.5 billion people transformed ... Anyone supporting/defending [Egregious, rapacious violence] is complicit. by: 450.org @ 17 and Trump has been great for everyone and everything BUT AMERICA. Posted by: snake | Jul 3 2020 11:48 utc | 131 Former New Hampshire resident here. Posted by: Slat | Jul 3 2020 12:01 utc | 133 New Hampshire is one creepy-ass place. Occultist, in fact. THEE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT that shaped the world post WWII took place in bucolic, sleepy New Hampshire away from prying eyes and inquisitive journalists back in a time when there were still a few inquisitive journalists. In advance, I apologize if this post is boring and uncreative. Pat Lang’s operatives are insatiable and nothing I do will ever suffice. Can you imagine an evening with that egomaniacal blowhard dullard? I couldn’t. I’d end up strangling him one hour into it if not sooner and same goes for his admiring acolytes of which there are many, apparently, some of whom pretend to be his critics in order to gain intel.
Also, don’t forget, one of the original first-reported alien abduction events took place in New Hampshire, so, if there really are visitors to this planet, a dubious notion, they like New Hampshire so maybe that’s why The Bretton Woods Conference was held in New Hampshire. One of many reasons. Maybe the CIA are really The Greys. You never know. They certainly aren’t human, that’s for sure. Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 12:25 utc | 134 “The current work suggests that while the G614 variant may be more infectious, it is not more pathogenic. There is a hope that as SARS-CoV-2 infection spreads, the virus might become less pathogenic,” Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 12:57 utc | 135 … Wexner GAVE Epstein the Manhatten apartment. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 13:03 utc | 136 @450,
New Hampshire is one creepy-ass place. Occultist, in fact. THEE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT that shaped the world post WWII took place in bucolic, sleepy New Hampshire away from prying eyes and inquisitive journalists back in a time when there were still a few inquisitive journalists. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 13:30 utc | 138 @137 Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 13:37 utc | 139 450.org Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2020 13:45 utc | 140 Ain’t planning to go there but Bradford New Hampshire as portrayed by various barflies involuntarily recalls to my mind the delightful Jack the devil Nicholson’s picture ” The witches of Eastwick “, doesn’t it? Posted by: willie | Jul 3 2020 13:51 utc | 141 @RSH, Lizard @ all the above Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 14:11 utc | 143 Russ @97 Three of the studies covered the issue of surgical mask vs space helmet to protect the healthcare worker except one. The ONE link that addressed the issue of masks to protect spreading infections in the general population said the following
Okay there was the Japanese study which tried to measure the same thing but the study was so poor, it should be disregarded. It followed 32 healthcare workers for 77 days and not during an epidemic. One in each group got a cold. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 14:15 utc | 144 @ Posted by: Seer | Jul 3 2020 10:45 utc | 127 @139 Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 14:28 utc | 147 Also, do we have the name and bio of the scumbag who provided the safe house for Maxwell in New Hampshire? A scumbag that would provide safe harbor for the likes of Maxwell deserves no privacy and should be run out of the country to Israel, Russia or China where they belong and would be welcomed and applauded for raping young, nubile, vulnerable “Amurikkkans.” Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 14:38 utc | 148 See? It referred to Israel in a negative way so it cannot be a propaganda orifice of the imperial establishment! Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 3 2020 14:46 utc | 149 Bradford is important only because she was hiding, not running (to Israel). Supposedly from prying media and the powerful people that may have killed Epstein. Supposedly. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 3 2020 14:56 utc | 150 The mask of Western Democracy finally falls: @Mark2, Seems a little off to me that Maxwell would choose to hide out in the states unless she wasn’t found out as much as negotiating a surrender. Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 3 2020 15:26 utc | 153 I love that film ‘ Conspracy Theory’ Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 3 2020 15:33 utc | 154 snake@130 Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2020 15:36 utc | 155 An excellent review of the scientific literature on how well masks work from the Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 3 2020 15:42 utc | 156 i’m starting to wonder if “offguardian” is some obscure performance art project. they’ve decided to shoot past “full retard” at ludicrous speed and declare “No One Has Died from the Coronavirus”. Posted by: the pair | Jul 3 2020 15:45 utc | 157 the pair @Jul3 15:45 #156
Virtually all the deaths are from Covid-19, which is a complication of the virus. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 3 2020 15:52 utc | 158 @ Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2020 15:36 utc | 154 Re “pie in the sky” Posted by: spudski | Jul 3 2020 16:04 utc | 160 Note how the operatives avoid my inquiry as to who owned the safe house and/or how Maxwell came to own it and who aided her in that endeavor? Now why would they avoid that most important question and change the subject and surround the inquiry with distracting nonsense? I’ll let the few honest ones amongst you answer that question. It’s an easy answer, fyi. Hey Gruff, I see you.
Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 16:05 utc | 161 More on the Nutter Butter law firm that helped Maxwell purchase the New Hampshire safe house. It has strong ties to Harvard. Epstein was in deep with the Harvard folks and the Harvard folks, all Ivy League in fact, are in deep with the intelligence services. It’s important in the clandestine services to keep changing your name. Chinese Princelings, fyi, prize a Harvard education. Gee, imagine that.
Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 16:11 utc | 162 VK, re: Russia’s grip on Europe is gradually tightening from the U.K.’s INDEPENDENT Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 16:13 utc | 163 Canada suspends extradition treaty with Hong Kong over new security law Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 16:29 utc | 164 if you’re a canuck – mail this dipshit… Philippe.Champagne@parl.gc.ca Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 16:31 utc | 165 Does Ghislaine’s arrest prevent the destruction of Virginia Robert’s evidence as ordered by Judge Penska the day before? Posted by: A guy | Jul 3 2020 16:41 utc | 166 Great thread.. So Maxwell: Posted by: Lozion | Jul 3 2020 16:57 utc | 167 His parents must be so proud and his wife and children too if he has either. Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 17:09 utc | 168 Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 16:13 utc | 162 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 3 2020 17:16 utc | 169 @164 Those are quite puny measures really james. I wonder if Justin will be giving them Canadian passports? That might not be too popular in Vancouver. Posted by: dh | Jul 3 2020 17:53 utc | 170 Russia’s grip on Europe is gradually tightening from the U.K.’s INDEPENDENT Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 18:06 utc | 171 In 1650, at the request of Harvard President Henry Dunster, the Great and General Court of Massachusetts issued the body’s charter, making it now the oldest corporation in the Americas; the subsequent Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts confirmed that, despite the change in government, the corporation would continue to “have, hold, use, exercise and enjoy” its property and legal privileges.[1] Although the institution it governs has grown into Harvard University (of which Harvard College is one of several components), the corporation’s formal title remains the President and Fellows of Harvard College. Posted by: Agin | Jul 3 2020 18:10 utc | 172 #164 Posted by: krypton | Jul 3 2020 18:11 utc | 173 @ 170 dh…. i don’t think it will phase vancouver one way or the other…. if the canuck gov’t just came out and say they support falen gong, or whatever that propaganda group is called – it would have more relevance and by more truthful.. Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 18:12 utc | 174 @174 I thought there was a problem with affordable housing in Vancouver. I recall some people complaining. But I imagine real estate agents would be happy to see another influx from Hong Kong. Posted by: dh | Jul 3 2020 18:40 utc | 175 @ 175 dh… yes – vanc r/e is way over priced, so the young and flexible move outside vancouver to places like the interior and vancouver island, but now the inflation is everywhere in b.c. for the most part…. and it is everywhere in canada really to a good extent… money is shit and meaningless at this point, although peoples wages still remain stagnant… everyone relies on inheritance if they want to own a place… well, that is the dark cynical view from yours truly.. Posted by: james | Jul 3 2020 18:50 utc | 176 “Russia will stop to tight its grip on Europe when Europe stops to genocide Middle Eastern peoples. It’s that simple.” Posted by: CitizenX | Jul 3 2020 18:50 utc | 177 Piotr Berman @171, As far as “increase of dependency goes”, some write about the terrible dependency to come and insufficient effort to prevent it Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 3 2020 19:04 utc | 178 There is no true, organic revolt in America and there never will be. The recent “protests” and CHOP and #BlackLivesMatter are a sick joke designed to fracture and fragment America even more than it is already. 450.org at 18. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 3 2020 19:15 utc | 179 vk@ 125:
And I don’t understand your term ‘Christianism’. I suppose you are meaning all the different branches that have formed around Christ and his message. Christianity at its historical roots as practised today is called Orthodoxy, from which the Catholic church broke ranks since they wanted the Pope to have too great a leadership role. Orthodox were willing to call the Pope ‘first among equals’ but Rome wasn’t happy with that.’ Posted by: juliania | Jul 3 2020 19:22 utc | 180 #176 Posted by: krypton | Jul 3 2020 19:32 utc | 181 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 6:53 utc | 104 Posted by: JC | Jul 3 2020 19:45 utc | 182 #164 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 19:47 utc | 183 @spudski | Jul 3 2020 16:04 utc | 160 Posted by: Vintage Red | Jul 3 2020 19:53 utc | 184 @Cyril | Jul 3 2020 4:25 utc | 93
China may be ahead in Phase III, but only by a few weeks. Posted by: Cyril | Jul 3 2020 19:59 utc | 185 @179
I think it’s a bit more complicated than just needing a job, but I share the sentiment of the commentator aside form that niggle. Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 20:02 utc | 186 pat lang must be going bonkers over the removal of the statues of his heroes. almost worth visiting the site to see Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 3 2020 20:52 utc | 187 Hoarsewhisperer @ 100: Posted by: Jen | Jul 3 2020 20:53 utc | 188 Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 20:02 utc | 186 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 20:58 utc | 189 Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 20:58 utc Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2020 21:04 utc | 190 @ the pair 157 Posted by: Alpi | Jul 3 2020 22:01 utc | 191 Piotr Berman #190 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 3 2020 22:01 utc | 192 @karlof1 Posted by: lone plateau | Jul 3 2020 23:53 utc | 193 I listened to an evan Solomon interview the other day with JB. I was actually impressed with his ability to speak his ideas. a testimony to the reason he keeps getting high positions of power I guess. It’s obvious that the reason he’s timed his emergence into the light is to try and win favour with the new ruling establishment. If he can be seen as helping to take down the Donald (whom he obviously has no unburned bridge) then he may get a reward in the next admin. That rat will live long past the zombie apocalypse! Posted by: PleaseBeleafMe | Jul 4 2020 0:09 utc | 194 @194 Right now we’re being told that there are millions of brave young protesters in Hong Kong desperate to escape the ‘draconian’ new laws. They want real passports so they can move to Canada, Australia and New Zealand (for some reason the UK is not the most popular destination). My feeling is that most of them will probably stay home and the protests will fizzle out. Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2020 0:41 utc | 196 Posted by: lizard | Jul 3 2020 13:58 utc | 142 I’m not interested in Crowly’s words, I’m interested in the perceived and/or actual impacts of his occult belief system on other people… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 0:51 utc | 197 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 3 2020 15:42 utc | 156 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 4 2020 0:53 utc | 198 @194 pbm…. actually grace mccarthy and vanderzalm were happy to give away the expo 86 land to a chinese billionaire rather then toigo for the simple reason they wanted to curry favour for political reasons… and that was in the late 80’s… we continued on downhill in b.c. with corrupt leadership.. the bc gov’t gave the hong kong rich an option for a canadian citizenship if they invested 250,000 into a business which at the time might have seemed like a lot, but it wasn’t… would be good if we had invited a good cross section of the chinese people, but this was for the rich only – another example of our politicians malfeasance… it was nothing to do with r/e excess.. if you come to vancouver now – and this joke has been around for some time – the quickest distance from china to india is over the fraser bridge… vancouver has just as a big a population from punjab as china – well, i don’t know the numbers but together they outnumber anglo saxon numbers.. the suburb richmond is where many of the new hong kong are located, as opposed to surrey where the folks from mostly punjab are centered… the rest of the vancouver area is a mismash.. Posted by: james | Jul 4 2020 1:01 utc | 199 @199 I know Canadians are much too polite to say so but I don’t think a new wave of refugees from Hong Kong (rich or otherwise) is exactly what they want at the moment. Same goes for Oz and NZ. Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2020 1:16 utc | 200 |
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