Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 01, 2020

New Law Liberates Hong Kong From U.S. Interference

After the U.S. instigated riots in Hong Kong last year the central government of China saw a necessity to intervene. In sight of other anti-China measures the U.S. has taken the reputational costs of doing so had become less important.

Yesterday the Chinese parliament, the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, added a national security law to the Basic Law that governs Hong Kong's special status. The law is designed to end foreign interference in Hong Kong.

The Basic Law already had an article which stated that Hong Kong's independent parliament, the Legislative Council or Legco, must create such a national security law on its own. But 23 years after Hong Kong again became ruled by China, Hong Kong's parliament had still not done so. The foreign instigated violent riots last year, which had paralyzed Hong Kong's economy, demonstrated that such a law is necessary. The central government finally acted and did what the Legco was supposed to do.

The new law, which was put into effect today, is banning secession, subversion, terrorism, and collusion with a foreign country or external elements to endanger national security. Its 66 articles also ban support in any form for such acts. The offenses are punishable in several degrees up to life in prison. The law includes guarantees for human rights and due legal process.

A mainland 'Office for Safeguarding National Security' will be set up in Hong Kong to take care that the law is followed. While regular cases against the law will be handled by a new national security department within the Hong Kong police, significant cases, like those including foreigners, can be taken over by the mainland office and can be prosecuted by mainland courts.

The law has some extraterritorial power. It does not matter where the crimes are committed:

Article 38 This Law shall apply to offences under this Law committed against the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from outside the Region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the Region.

People who break the new law while in some other country can be arrested and charged as soon as they step onto Chinese grounds which evidently includes Hong Kong. Members of Congress should consider that when they enact laws in support of the rabble rouser in Hong Kong. A later casino vacation in Macao could otherwise end in a lengthy unplanned stay.

The full text of the law in English is available here. Its promulgation in Hong Kong and the original Chinese text are here.

The new law has already shown results. Several of the U.S. supported student organizations which led the 'pro democracy' clashes last year have shut down days before the law was put into force. 'Pro-democracy' lawmakers have moderated their tone:

The national security law is already having its desired effect, even before its enactment. So far as Beijing is concerned, it has achieved far more with much less than rolling in the tanks.

Consider the recent statements of some leaders of the anti-government protest movement. They are either quitting or making U-turns.
...
Claudia Mo Man-ching (opposition legislator): “If we win more than 35 seats [a majority in the Legislative Council elections in September], we can all sit down and negotiate at a moderate pace.”

Mo’s statement may be the least sensational but most significant, assuming she represents the views of other “moderates”.

Early this year, the big plan was to force Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor to quit. To do so, they would have to win a majority, veto all government bills, including the annual budget, and force Lam to dissolve the Legco session and call for new elections. If Lam still couldn’t get the budget approved in the new Legco, she would have to resign under the Basic Law.

No one talks about the plan any more. Mo is ready to negotiate if she wins again in September.

Suddenly, everyone sounds so reasonable and moderate. I wonder why.

Not everyone will submit peacefully to the new rules. The rabble rouser Joshua Wong, Senator Marco Rubio's and Andrew Duncan's special friend, has set himself up as a martyr. He has called for demonstrations today which were not sanctioned by the police:

Joshua Wong 黃之鋒 @joshuawongcf - 7:52 UTC · Jul 1, 2020
We are on street to against national security law. We shall never surrender. Now is not the time to give up.

About a thousand students protested today against the law and the police arrested 370 of them. Some will be prosecuted under the new law. One policeman was stabbed when some demonstrators tried to free an arrested person.

The U.S. had financed some of the protester groups through the CIA aligned National Endowment for Democracy and the Open Technology Fund. If the U.S. wants to continue instigating unrest in Hong Kong it must now move those programs to the CIA and distribute the money secretly. The OTF funds for Hong Kong have already been frozen.

The British government has promised to give British passports to the 3 million Hong Kongers who were born while the city was still under British rule. One wonder what Brexiters think about such a potentially huge new inflow of people from abroad.

The U.S. Congress will do some huffing and puffing over the new law and Trump will issue some more sanctions but that will be likely it. The CIA's infrastructure to create another 'color revolution' in Hong Kong will not be easy to replace. The U.S. has lost its supremacy and its meddling in Hong Kong will no longer have any effect.

Hong Kong will continue to have its special administrative status and economic freedom. But British and U.S. influence in the city will now be severely diminished.

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Maybe someone can help out my simple mind. However, I'm still confused as to how the Chines BRI is supposed to be beneficial for all parties. For instance, arent most BRI connected countries just going to get flooded with Chinese goods as they cant compete with Chinese manufacturing output ? For instance, a country like Romania or Myanmar, what will they be exporting to China ? How could they ever even hope to compete ? BRI just seems like a way for China to monopolize world trade and manufacturing output ? What am I missing ?

Posted by: Fog of War | Jul 2 2020 14:51 utc | 101

@ Posted by: Fog of War | Jul 2 2020 14:51 utc | 101

Those countries already don't have any manufacturing to begin with, so you're referring to an imaginary unfair competition.

The true choice for those countries is between perpetual underdevelopment under the Western powers or material wealth under the Chinese, not between local products and Chinese products (as those "local products" don't exist in the first place).

Posted by: vk | Jul 2 2020 15:10 utc | 102

< HREF="https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccine-approved-military-use-china-1.5630947">China approves COVID-19 vaccine for military use, skips final phase of testing

PLA Guinea pigs/ cannon fodder.
Critical medical staff is kept safe from that experiment.

Posted by: Antonym | Jul 2 2020 15:34 utc | 103

450.org 4
*You're not afraid of him, are you? Afterall, per your law,
he is guilty as charged.
So what are you waiting for? Arrest the orange dildo.
Do us all a favor. Please. If you're man enough.*

Firstly you'r confusing the CCP with your thugs in Washington,
who kidnap, asassinate foreign leaders willy nilly.

Secondly, nobody but murikkans themselves can bring
down the cabal, do YOU have the cojones ?
Or are you gonna to outsource even that to the Chinese
as well ?

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 15:52 utc | 104

TG 95, Billb 99

TG you don't have a clue. though down under and 450 takes the cake right now...

Billb is right, HK used to be THE sweatshop from the 60s right up until the late 80s. basically taking scraps from the Japanese as they moved up the value chain. textiles, cheap watches and camera, toys etc.

HK's indigenous population was small at the time. people work hard because most came from China with nothing during the cultural revolution and had to start over. You can be successful if you just worked hard and take a little risk to start a business. THAT'S when the population rise Friedman talked about happened.

China was closed with little industry to speak of, everything came through hk. then deng started opening up China and with the tariff was going at the time the US import quota given to hk means factories started to move into China with final process done in hk (some not even) and sent abroad to utilise the highly prized quota and skirt the tariff. it's just business doing what businesses do.

HK govt under invest on infrastructure? have you been to HK? Have you seen the infrastructure? pulllease you are sprouting absolute crap. we have roads, trains and buses Australian couldn't touch in a hundred years ok, may be 50. I've only seen better infrastructure in Japan and Singapore comes close. There is universal healthcare but if your argument is solely based upon everyone should have a government paid flats then I would posit that may be you're the communist.

I won't defend it, yes it is a meritocracy but everyone gets a fairer shot at it then most of the world with free schooling and higher education subsidies if they are disadvantaged financially. There are more but I won't dwell on that. I suspect that time will be wasted.

my blatant paraphrase from a recent PCR article with a few changes on descriptors explain the current issue perfectly:

"Indoctrinated by their education to see the Mainland as the source of abuse and oppression, young HKer have been deracinated. They view their history and culture as shameful."

I went through the schools in hk until junior high, we were taught big bad mainland is the root of all evil, submit and look up to the west as it's all benevolent with sunshine coming out of its butt. believing it, I went studying overseas and realise people are just people everywhere, with the same challenges. media & politics is just media & politics, it's full of bs and the weak always buy it.

outside of China it's just simple and reassuring to their western superiority to think the Chinese people and government as one of the same. I have many lifelong friends in English speaking I mean 5 eye countries and I love them all and will never see them differently because of their respective administrations.

Before you go googling for rebuttals just know that what I wrote here is all first hand, my mum went to hk because my grand dad was taken out by the commies during the revolution, my dad came to hk with nothing on his back, worked hard, saved money, borrowed from my grandma to start a business. eventually my family business' factories also had to move into China during the 80s to stay competitive, eventually closing because at around the same time the US wholesale buyers stopped caring about quality and only shop on price. at the end the cheaper producers that will cut corners finally squeezed us out. so you can shove your bs where the sun don't shine because the crappy chinese products you all lament is really your own doing.

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 2 2020 15:54 utc | 105

450.org 23
*Trump Indicates In A February 2018 Tweet It May Have Been China That Interfered In The 2016 Election On His Behalf*

ROTFLMAO
You get your scoop from the great white
hoax's tweets ?

So much for HIQ whiteys.

hehehheh

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 16:03 utc | 106

Hong Kong people were glad to get rid of the residual white-man influences despite their guaranteed prosperity in being the huge trading bridge between the two worlds. The people now have had 23 years of living in close proximity and largely under the control of the totalitarian Chinese communist government. If China were to go broke, where would they go? Down with the ship. Why not give the Hong Kong people another vote to see what arrangements they would prefer with our nations.

Posted by: Fred B | Jul 2 2020 16:07 utc | 107

Antonym 103
*PLA Guinea pigs/ cannon fodder.
Critical medical staff is kept safe from that experiment.*

Indian jawans have been white men's
cannon fodder since time immermorial,
Pathetic.

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 16:09 utc | 108

Quite a joke these trolls and the MSM are.

Their BS is almost always framed as a deep concern for the populations of the target countries and at the same time a hate is turned on to these peoples. Muslims are terrorists, Chinese are evil plotting the demise of the west, Russians are just evil all the time , ETC., But at the same time we are very concerned about their welfare under these even more evil ogre leaders.

It's too much to swallow.

Posted by: arby | Jul 2 2020 16:17 utc | 109

Time to waive the white flag, pro-Americans:

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091438/us-has-been-exposed-funding-last-years-hong-kong-protests?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=share_widget&utm_campaign=3091438&fbclid=IwAR2Q4DjKApf9D54SsbtJfIe7ajwur3rUTrokfpYdISX37n4sio8KsnkFL_E">US has been exposed for funding last year’s Hong Kong protests

The SCMP - a USA-funded propaganda outlet for HK - has revealed the game (with its useful idiot: Alex Lo). This has the value of a confession.

Posted by: vk | Jul 2 2020 16:43 utc | 110

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 15:52 utc | 104

Oh, I'm sure Americans have the cojones to push for the political change they so desire...When they are in a safe and privileged position, preferably with some suckers co-opted to do the dirty work and be the fall guy.

Posted by: JW | Jul 2 2020 16:49 utc | 111

@95

It's not about politics, it's about demographics, and class war.

True. Spot on. This is why neither China nor the West gives a shit about the little people of Hong Kong. They both, all of them, support the upper class. China is as classist as the crony capitalist West. Xi and friends are fabulously wealthy and incredibly powerful. Extending credit that can never be paid back to former impoverished peasants is not lifting them out of poverty and it's not economic progress. It's a ruse. It's debt slavery. Just another form of feudalism with a few shiny bells & whistles to make it appear as though it is what it is not.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 2 2020 16:53 utc | 112

Fog of War 101
*How could they ever even hope to compete ? BRI just seems like a way for China to monopolize world trade and manufacturing output ? What am I missing ?*

YOU should worry ?


Its the first time in five centuries that the world has another choice besides Pax murikka....the Chinese model.
lots already tried it and like what they tasted.

Why not let the world decide for themselves ?
Havent you got enough problems back home ?

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 16:59 utc | 113

450.org@88 says: "...CCP's contracting with Erik Prince on how to terrorize, torture and murder Muslims, ..."

More progress. Looks like now you just need to repeat that 995 (instead of 996) more times, as per Joseph Goebbels, to make it "true". Ref: my comment (d dan@38) and all other commenters' rebuttals (e.g. Jen@37).

"A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth - by Joseph Goebbels".

Posted by: d dan | Jul 2 2020 17:04 utc | 114

Thanks to the immense tonnage of Western Dirty Laundry, Trolls just can't make much headway regardless their volume posting. It's really rather amusing. When one reads the various Treaties dividing the world for the benefit of specific Christian European Kingdoms/Empires, one learns the Age of Discovery and Plantation was never about benevolence or the spreading of Christianity but all about plunder and domination of the not quite human beings encountered. That Age is now coming to its end--Whew!! An ongoing movement since Reagan/Thatcher within the dying Western Nations aiming at the continuation of Feudal Privileges and Enserfing of the masses via Debt Peonage is being violently challenged despite the COVID-19 and will likely escalate, which provides us with the background context for the Troll's activity. They are manically desperate as the "quality" of their all too numerous postings prove. Their numbers here at MoA are also indicative. I understand they cannot, will not surrender their siege; but there's no way for them to win as they've already lost--which is why they're Trolls.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2020 17:04 utc | 115

Thanks for breaking the page format, vk. IMO, it's well past time for you to retire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2020 17:05 utc | 116

Down South @69 says: "China is an authoritarian country with the most pernicious form of social control on the planet. Who in their right mind would voluntarily choose to live in such a system ???? If you really value liberty China is the worst possible country to aspire to."

120 millions Chinese traveled outside China in 2017 (as tourists, business persons, students, etc). Amazingly 120 millions voluntarily returned to China in 2017. Even more amazingly, about the same number of Chinese did that again in 2018, and in 2019,... So, you answer your own question: "Who in their right mind would voluntarily choose to live in such a system ????" Are the 120 millions Chinese, years after years, all out of their right minds?

Posted by: d dan | Jul 2 2020 17:13 utc | 117

JW 111

murikkans are very brave in 'standing up to China',
who has never laid a hand on them.
They dont have the cojones to try it with
their ptb tho, their real oppressor who kneel
on their jugular.

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 17:16 utc | 118

Global Times Editorial regarding the continuing attempts by the Outlaw US Empire to control Hong Kong:

"If Washington wants to destroy Hong Kong, a city that is not at its disposal, at any cost to hurt China, then there are still many things it can do. For example, it can raise Hong Kong's tariffs to that of the mainland, or prevent the Hong Kong dollar from pegging to the US dollar. However, that means the US will lose a large amount of its trade surplus with Hong Kong and will hit the US dollar's status as a global currency. If the US would rather hurt itself to destroy Hong Kong, then the 1.4 billion Chinese people will fight it to the end.

"The US has a global financial hegemony, and such hegemony is two-way. The US needs to provide services to the world, and depends on the world's support. If the US abuses such hegemony to impose sanctions on a large economy like China, it will also be a death knell for its financial hegemony, while creating problems for Hong Kong.

"China's economic accomplishments are based on the Chinese people's hard work. Hong Kong's huge advantage lies in its irreplaceable status as China's window to the outside world. China will never transfer this position to a city in other Asian economies. Thus, Hong Kong's future is determined by China, not the US.

"The Chinese people are diligent, and we have set up a complete industrial base. Although China still falls behind in certain high technology sectors, the country has formed the ability to tackle key problems in cutting-edge technology. The US is increasingly lazy, and is even incapable of controlling the COVID-19 epidemic. Such a country wants to use tricks to contain and scare China. How arrogant and narcissistic it is!" [My Emphasis]

The laughter within the concluding paragraph is all too easy to see, such that even "lazy", "arrogant" and Narcissitic" people can't miss. One's reminded of Anderson's tale about the Emperor and that even as ever more people remarked he was naked he continued his procession. IMO, Turkey was the first NATO nation to begin to snicker, but I await the second, the third, and then for the dam to finally break.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2020 17:43 utc | 119

Cojones, too funny. If cojones means Xi's pocketbook and his manufacturing base and 1.5 billion people at his disposal to do with what he will, then yeah, you're right, I have no cojones and don't want any thank you. For now, it's just my brilliant mind and my keyboard and my internet connection. Not cojones by any means. Ovaries and fallopian tubes perhaps instead.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 2 2020 17:49 utc | 120

I'd like to point out two inaccuracies in b's article.

Contrary to what he wrote, the British government has not promised to give British passports to the Hong Kongers who were born while the city was under British rule. Hong Kongers who were born then have always been eligible for a British National Overseas (BNO) passport. Despite its name it isn't a genuine British passport. It just enabled its holder to remain in the UK for six months. With the new security law in Hong Kong the British government has promised to provide BNO passport holders with a British citizenship path. Let me not get into the gory details here. B's remark about Brexiters's opinion about the new arrangement is still valid though.

He wrote that about a thousand students protested on Wednesday against the new law, but some protesters weren't students. In fact, of the hundreds of arrests made on Wednesday, that of an engineer attracted the most attention. He stabbed a police officer during the protest, tried to flee the country but was nabbed after he had already boarded a plane bound for the UK.

Posted by: TN | Jul 2 2020 17:50 utc | 121

"China is an authoritarian country with the most pernicious form of social control on the planet. Who in their right mind would voluntarily choose to live in such a system ???? If you really value liberty China is the worst possible country to aspire to.
The original point being 2 million people in Hong Kong did not take to the streets simply because Uncle Sam told them too. They’re trying their best not to fall under the authoritarian dictatorship you admire so much. They like their liberty and are willing to fight for it."

Posted by: Down South | Jul 2 2020 7:37 utc | 69
...

Fixed just for you-
America is an authoritarian country with the most pernicious form of social control on the planet. Who in their right mind would voluntarily choose to live in such a system ???? If you really value liberty America is the worst possible country to aspire to.

America has the largest Prison Population on the planet. Those prisoners are used as slave labor. Research it yourself idiot.

"Feb. 15, 2003, somewhere between 6 million to 11 million people turned out in at least 650 cities around the world to protest the United States’ push to invade Iraq. It was the largest anti-war protest and remains the largest one-day global protest the world has ever seen."

Tell us more about protesters grievances and how the Scum US Regime responded?

Posted by: CitizenX | Jul 2 2020 18:11 utc | 122

450.org 120

honey,.

WTF with Xi and his peasants ?
Its none of my biz....and yours.

THE WORLD CANT BREATHE,
cuz the great satan has its fucking knee on our neck
AND yours.

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 18:18 utc | 123

I have no idea how China ever got the reputation of being anti-imperialist. Even before it became a capitalist nation, it was always looking for ways to throw socialist principles into the garbage.

https://www.themilitant.com/2007/7103/710358.html

At a time when the Pinochet dictatorship's murderous repression of political opponents has isolated it internationally to the point that the blood-soaked regime is even a public embarrassment to the White House, help has arrived from the Maoist bureaucracy in Peking.

"The Chilean military junta, increasingly isolated and beleaguered at home and abroad, is seeking stronger ties with China, one of its few remaining friends," Hugh O'Shaughnessy reported in the November 23 issue of the Observer.

"Commandant Gaston Frez, head of Codelco, the Chilean State copper corporation," O'Shaughnessy continued, "announced in Santiago last week that China would increase its imports of Chilean copper from 8,000 tons this year to 34,000 tons in 1976."

A substantial loan from Peking is reported to be part of the deal. In a recent interview with Pinochet, New York Times columnist C.L. Sulzberger asked if there were any truth to a rumor he had heard that "Chile was discussing with Peking a $58-million loan to this tottering economy" as part of the copper negotiations.

Posted by: Louis N Proyect | Jul 2 2020 18:18 utc | 124

@123, transnational global capitalists, the wealthy extractive elite in otherwords who are a culture unto themselves and their bonds with one another transcend any notion of national loyalty, are the ones with their collective fucking knee on your neck and mine. China has recently invited American Express to partake in its debt slavery scheme where it loads up 1.5 billion ravenous consuming Chinese with debt they can never repay but will be forced to die trying as their rampant rapacious consumption destroys what little is left of the living planet.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 2 2020 18:27 utc | 125

@Down South | Jul 2 2020 12:43 utc | 89

So if I see China for what it is, an authoritarian dictatorship, which it is,

In 2019, in authoritarian China, cops killed two (2) people.

In the same year, inside the wondrously enlightened USA, cops shot and killed over 1000 people. That is only the shootings; things like George Floyd's asphyxiation wouldn't count.

(The year 2019 wasn't special; if you read both articles, you will see that the numbers have been normal for each country for a while.)

I don't know about you, but I know which country is more brutally authoritarian, and it hasn't been China.

In the faint hope that your head is not completely rotted by pervasive US propaganda, I suggest you look at the facts on the ground -- or in the ground.

Posted by: Cyril | Jul 2 2020 18:44 utc | 126


Louis N Proyect 124
*C.L. Sulzberger asked if there were any truth to a rumor
he had heard that "Chile was discussing with Peking a $58-million loan
to this tottering economy" as part of the copper negotiations.*

Dunno how much faith to put ON NYT and PInochet.

You can call China whatever you want.

It was NIxon who instructed CIA to
make the Chileans scream
and it's USA which fingered its own citizens
for liquidation by 'our kind of guy Pinochet.'

https://archive.commondreams.org/view/022500-104.htm

Hmm b,
Looks like you've an alien invasion.
hehhe

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 18:50 utc | 127

@ Posted by: Louis N Proyect | Jul 2 2020 18:18 utc | 124

Your source is biased. Using the exact same arguments, a far-rightist could state the reverse, i.e., that the Pinochet dictatorship was actually communist.

The way to solve this is simple: use Chinese sources. And we have, and we have the conclusion: the CCP sensed the end of the cycle of revolutions initiated at 1917, and, connected with its own past experiences (the failed alliance with the right of the 1920s-1930s; the too ambitious leftist experience of the 1950s-1960s; the schism with the USSR at the end of the 1960s), decided for a hybrid strategy based on engagement and conflict with the capitalist world, which would result with Deng's "Reform and Opening Up" of 1978.

Posted by: vk | Jul 2 2020 19:04 utc | 128

450.org 125

So you'r saying China has succumbed to
the knee from Washington in order
to get a breather. ?

Didnt I say nobody can bring down that
master of universe resided in Washington
DC, except you...the murikkans.

Che
*I envy you. You North Americans are very lucky.
You are fighting the most important fight of all -
you live in the heart of the beast."

Are you up to it ???

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 19:04 utc | 129

@129, the beast has no heart, not even a dark heart, and the beast is everywhere at this point. Che was sixty to seventy years ago for Christ's sake. Update your operating system. The beast has changed its game and taken on many new skins. Barkskins included.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 2 2020 19:22 utc | 130

The Pinochet dictatorship was, obviously, authoritarian and tyrannical. So too is the CCP under Mao and under Xi. That's the connection. Tyrannical authoritarianism comes in many shades. Capitalism, communism and fascism are the most popular and are designed to obscure, poorly and crudely albeit, the pig beneath.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 2 2020 19:28 utc | 131

450.org 130

Idiot'
ONly the mask changes, its the same beast.
same residence, Washington DC
currently wearing the mask of an orange clown.

*The beast is everywhere*

Thats you cop out for doing nuthing...
and blaming everybody else.

Posted by: denk | Jul 2 2020 19:33 utc | 132

Louis Numbskull Project:

I have no idea how China ever got the reputation of being anti-imperialist.

I have a good idea how you got the reputation of being a troll.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 2 2020 19:52 utc | 133

58
The port is actually nearing completion,at least the JOINT naval complex.

Posted by: winston2 | Jul 2 2020 20:32 utc | 134

Down South #77

The original point being 2 million people in Hong Kong did not take to the streets simply because Uncle Sam told them too. They’re trying their best not to fall under the authoritarian dictatorship you admire so much. They like their liberty and are willing to fight for it.

So do the Chagossians so lets have a level playing field when it comes to each liking their liberty free from vicious imperialism and perpetual economic sanctions.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2020 21:19 utc | 135

denk #127

Hmm b,
Looks like you've an alien invasion.
hehhe

b sure has but for us its a turkey shoot as they suffer from an absence of subtlety. Alien turkeys at that.

Their problem is they can't read and a good hour at the WSWS would give 'em a edyacation.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 2 2020 21:26 utc | 136

TN @ 121:

The gory details are still to be worked out in full but their essence is at this link:

... Following the announcement by the Chinese Government that it will impose a national security law on Hong Kong, the UK has confirmed that new arrangements will be put in place for British Nationals (Overseas).

The UK government made a commitment to change the rules for BN(O)s should China implement the new national security law first proposed in early June.

This new bespoke immigration route will allow BN(O)s to come to the UK without the current 6 month limit, granting them 5 years limited leave to remain, with the ability to live and work in the UK.

After these 5 years, they will be able to apply for settled status and, after a further 12 months with that status, apply for citizenship.

The new bespoke route for BN(O)s will be implemented in the coming months, with exact date and further details to be announced in due course. In the meantime, we will ensure British National (Overseas) citizens who wish to come to the UK will be able to do so, subject to standard immigration checks ...


Posted by: Jen | Jul 2 2020 23:22 utc | 137

Boris Johnson's "magnanimous" offer to the people of Hong Kong Is it disingenuous?
Wasn't it the entry of Eastern European laborers in the British job market that catapulted Brexit? It will be interesting to see how Boris Johnson--the political leader who depicts himself as a key supporter of Brexit---reconciles the major reason for leaving the European Union with issuing 3 million British passports to citizens of Hong Kong. It would also be interesting to see how the average Brit feels about Boris Johnson's "magnanimous" proposal given the toll the Covid-19 has taken on the British people and the dire economic situation in Britain.

Posted by: Jose Acevedo | Jul 3 2020 2:57 utc | 138

America should just cut of US dollar supply to China, and China economy will collapse immediately.

Without billions of US dollars trade surplus, China cannot print trilions of Yuan yearly to subsidise all the R&D to make better high technology to compete against America high technology corporations.

Also China printing trillions of Yuan every year to build the biggest and the infrastructure in the world.

American consumers are stupidly helping China to buy the best technology and scientists from around the world, to destroy American empire. This OXYMORON behavior of American Congress is mind boggling.

America high technology should get the high technology supply chain from Taiwan and Thailand and all their problems solved. Taiwan should allow import of cheap labor from China and North Korea to reduce smartphone production cost.

America can survive without China trade. America partner and loyal allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Phillipines should be leveraged to contain China now.

But globalist elite from UK is helping China to be the next super power. Why ? You have to ask and hand it to Kissinger and Chatham House.

Anybody who know the secret discussion going on in Chatham House will have a clue what is going in global geopolitics play.

From www.zerohedge.com
PUTIN THE GREAT PEACEMAKER

Posted by: yewtaipan | Jul 3 2020 3:55 utc | 139

"America should just cut of US dollar supply to China, and China economy will collapse immediately."

Posted by: yewtaipan | Jul 3 2020 3:55 utc | 139

...

It is Amurika that would collapse in that scenario.
It would also be the only time I would ever walk into a Walmart to regale at all the empty shelves.
No China producing all the junk Amurikans slovenly consume would be hilarious though.

What would obese Amurikans consume then?

Posted by: CitizenX | Jul 3 2020 4:08 utc | 140

uncle tungsten 136

Those are misdirection agents.
The 'China just as bad or even worse than US' brigades.
Led by MOA's resident trolls pft and his soul mate nemecall.

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2020 4:40 utc | 141

Posted by: yewtaipan | Jul 3 2020 3:55 utc | 139

"America high technology should get the high technology supply chain from Taiwan and Thailand and all their problems solved. Taiwan should allow import of cheap labor from China and North Korea to reduce smartphone production cost.”

Hey yankee boy even if your master shut down Huawei today, everyone including Ericsson and Nokia, Samsung and Japan Inc. must pay over US$1.5millions patents royalty. That's a fact I can't make this up, Huawei now the top selling handsets in the World. Eat your heart out piece of shit!

"America can survive without China trade. America partner and loyal allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Phillipines should be leveraged to contain China now."

You love another China's civil wars wouldn't you? Continue Chinese slave labors toiling for your master the Americunts and Japan Inc.>? Honestly, why hates the Chinese so much, example Gordon G Chang and Chris Chappell China Uncensored?

Posted by: JC | Jul 3 2020 8:47 utc | 142

Hong Kong residents could be offered safe haven in Australia amid security law crackdown, PM Scott Morrison says
Good on ya mate.......right?
Posted by: Antonym | Jul 2 2020 6:25 utc | 66

Why not persuade Saudi Arabia to offer them a new home, they'd surely be much more at home there ...
(I'm referring to those charming umbrella folks of course, not other HKers who doubtless prefer to stay where they are)

Posted by: BM | Jul 3 2020 9:47 utc | 143

CitizenX @140: "No China producing all the junk Amurikans slovenly consume would be hilarious though.

What would obese Amurikans consume then?"

Corn chips.

America still produces mountains of corn, so the Walmart shelves would be fully stocked with corn chips.

Corn chips in red plastic bags. Corn chips in blue plastic bags. Corn chips in green plastic bags. Corn chips as far as the eye can see. Acres upon acres of corn chips.

The corporate mass media will download program updates into the minds of America's mass media consumers convincing them that wealth is defined by corn chips, and fully reprogrammed Americans lard-bots will rush to the stores to stock up on corn chips. Their garages will end up overflowing with pallet loads of corn chips. They will empty out their storage units to fill them with corn chips. They will even discard their stockpiles of toilet paper to make room for corn chips.

And then the United States will defiantly face the world. "You hate us for our corn chips!" Americans will exclaim.

The party is over for the empire. Its fanbois just don't know it yet.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 3 2020 10:12 utc | 144

The locals in Hong Kong here fully support various announcements to take in these so-called refugees, the sooner the better. we would love for all of these morons to fk off so hk can get on with it.

After all Britain needs to replace their polish labourers and Estonians hookers when brexit is done.

If the west like these useful idiots so much, they can keep them. hell, I'd pay for a ticket or a few if they need help leaving. But don't say you're not warned.

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 3 2020 10:14 utc | 145

The only downside I can think of to two million of Hong Kong's most brainwashed residents moving to Britain, besides those poor souls dying from the covid, is that Hong Kong's real estate market would take a brief dive. I say "brief" because for every million that leave to go feast upon incredibly horrible British food, there are ten million like me who would move to Hong Kong in a heartbeat if we could afford it. A sudden mass exodus of fools would make Hong Kong real estate affordable for a short time.

Come to think of it, that is actually a good thing and not a downside.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 3 2020 10:26 utc | 146

@Peter AU1 #42, 73

What do you think will happen to Australia after the US has been kicked out of Asia? Do you expect China to impose American-style sanctions on Australia as punishment?

And why do you seem so sure China will prevail over the US? China's Eurasian integration project hinges on the cooperation of Russia and it's only a matter of time before Russia turns against China once it realises China has become too powerful, Putin or no Putin.

Posted by: Azumi | Jul 3 2020 10:44 utc | 147

After the Guaidos on duty have deserted to safer places (probably some foreign embassy) to conservate themselves as the puppet government in exile:

Police stabbed in Hong Kong by the "pro-democracy", those that the West tells us are "poor reprisals". These will not yield and in the end China will have to resort to unlimited brute force to drastically impose law and order.

https://twitter.com/Herbert_Keg/status/1278768506478243841

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jul 3 2020 11:33 utc | 148

- I am not convinced this is the "best way forward" for Hong Kong. The city may have reduced british & US "Influence", now the chinese now has more "influence" in Hong Kong.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 3 2020 11:56 utc | 149

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 3 2020 10:14 utc | 145

Those fools got used and disposed by the US think they won't be used and disposed in the sinking economic ship called the UK.

But hey, somebody in the world got to pay those idiot taxes.

Posted by: JW | Jul 3 2020 12:14 utc | 150

@149, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Many of the fruits who comment here truly and delusionally believe the grass is greener on the other side. There is no other side. It's all the same side and the grass is not really green and not grass at all.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 12:35 utc | 151

Marxism was to Mao and is to the CCP as christianity is to Donald Trump. Yet another tool to delude and manipulate and exploit the masses.

Mao was no socialist/marxist. Neither is the CCP. They're poseurs who never gave a shit about the working classes.

China’s Foreign Policy: Alliance with U.S. Imperialism

In spite of all the turmoil in China during the last year, China’s foreign policy hasn’t changed very much. The new leadership is carrying on the reactionary policies laid down by Mao and the recently purged “gang of four.”

The Chinese leadership justifies their support for counter-revolution with the ridiculous theory that the world is divided into three “camps.” The “first world” is said to be the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., the two superpowers. Then comes the “second world,” which includes Europe, Japan, Canada, etc. Finally there is the “third world,” which includes everybody else. Each of the superpowers is said to be seeking “hegemony” over the whole world; the Chinese leaders call on the “second world” to unite with the “third world” in opposing “hegemonism.”

This theory that the world is divided into three camps, overlooks the main factor that divides the world the division into classes. In every nation in the world today, the basic division is between the capitalist ruling class and the working class (and its allies: the peasantry, students, etc.). As communists, our “foreign policy” is to encourage the overthrow of the ruling class in every country. We do not support any ruling class anywhere, no matter what the phony excuse (“opposing hegemonism,” “supporting national liberation,” or whatever). The class struggle is world-wide; only by giving as much support as we can to revolutionaries in other countries can we strengthen the revolutionary movement in our country.

The Chinese leadership has used the theory of “three worlds” to justify support for fascist regimes around the world; any “third world” ruling class that supports “unity of the third world” and opposes “the superpowers’ drive for hegemony” qualifies for Chinese aid. In 1971, the Chinese supported the Bandaranaike regime in Ceylon, sending arms to crush the uprising led by students and agricultural workers. In 1973, when General Pinochet overthrew Allende in Chile, the Chinese Embassy locked its doors in the face of leftists seeking refuge from the fascist terror; last year, the Chinese offered Pinochet a loan of $50 million, when even the liberal governments of Europe were scared that open support for the butcher Pinochet would provoke strikes in Europe. Peking Review sings the praises of the brutal Marcos regime in the Philippines. The wife and the sister of the Shah of Iran are frequent visitors to Peking; a high-level delegation was recently sent from China to help the Shah celebrate the founding of the murderous Pahlevi Dynasty.

Not content with supporting “third world” fascists, the Chinese leaders have been cozying up to the capitalists in the “second world” (Europe, Japan, Canada). The Chinese press praises the European Common Market as an example of how the “second world” should “unite to oppose the superpowers”–without mentioning the struggles of European workers for higher pay, better conditions, and an end to racist discrimination against foreign workers. The Chinese leaders invited a stream of European prime ministers to Peking–not to discuss the need for socialist revolution in Europe, but to learn from the European ruling class how to make China into a junior imperialist power.

It turns out the Chinese rulers don’t even oppose both of the two superpowers. Because U.S. imperialism is on the decline and Soviet imperialism on the rise, Mao decided to ally with U.S. imperialism to oppose the “main danger,” the U.S.S.R. The U.S. ruling class eagerly accepted this valuable new ally; politicians, journalists, and academics all stream over to China these days and come back with glowing descriptions (even “Dear Abby” got in on the act!). Each week, Peking Review writes about how wonderful NATO is; the Chinese news agency on November 12 had an article greeting “The Committee on the Present Danger,” formed by hardline anti-communists to “alert the American people to the Soviet Danger” (it includes the wonderful people who brought you the war in Vietnam: Dean Rusk, Walt Rostow, etc.).

Even the staunchest supporters of the Chinese revisionists are finding it hard to defend China’s alliance with U.S. imperialism. Enver Hoxha, leader of the Albania Party of Labor recently called for opposition to both U.S. and Soviet imperialism; he also implicitly attacked the Chinese “three worlds” theory by saying that the world is divided into only two camps: the socialist countries and the bourgeois countries. Maoists in the U.S. and around the world have also shied away from China’s support for extreme right-wingers. The Maoists were particularly upset when the Chinese leadership acted as a left-wing cover for U.S. imperialism in Angola; the Chinese press did not mention the invasion of Angola by U.S.-backed South African troops for nine weeks, while there were daily articles blasting the invasion by Soviet-backed Cuban troops.

The Chinese leadership betrays the world revolutionary movement not only when it allies with U.S. imperialism, but also when it supports “progressive” national bourgeoisies instead of supporting revolutionaries. Communist “foreign policy” is working-class internationalism: support for socialist revolution around the world.

It's important to pull the curtain back. On everyone and everything. This puts Naomi Klein's article in proper perspective. What a bunch of hypocrites the CCP are. The part in bold is particularly egregious and says it all.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 3 2020 12:47 utc | 152

Like many ideologies if you put two communists in a room you'll get two opposing forms of communism as a result :) For those of us who are not the debate and recriminations get boring almost instantly, even when it involves Mexican ice-picks.

I for one hope and wish China will remain communist in the form itself chooses and not throw away its own stability (it would horrify me if they did) for some silly "make-over". I'm not a communist and went from being anti-communist to being anti-ideological but the CCP does many things right (not absolutely everything but they'll figure it out, humanity doesn't do perfection*) and in the end that is what matters the most.

"One country, two systems" not "Two countries, two systems": HK was always Chinese, the Brits only rented it and the Brits admitted this. Then the US/CIA tries to come in on a wave of nonsense to stir things up and abuses some HKers for their nefarious purposes. The end result was never in question to anyone sane: China will remain China. One can only wish that most who were abused will understand what happened, I believe many will.

The British talk about accepting HKers is mostly for show and in my opinion more an effort to seem pliable than intended as meddling, maybe some will use it but it could be anyone from HK not necessarily "rebels".

Brexit wasn't about immigration as such, many pointed out that it could result in more immigration but that it —as with everything else— would be decided by British politicians and not by the EU. Anyone who still doesn't get that Brexit was about sovereignty (which includes more possibilities of holding your own politicians accountable) will of course lose themselves in a labyrinth of their own making.

The UK is not the US, I still believe the vast majority of Europeans (including Brits) like Chinese and far east Asians. Perhaps I should add the word "white" in front of "Europeans" but I'm not certain about that.

* Very close exception: Brazilians tapping the sun into Cachaça. The only thing missing would be if it cured all medical ills including headaches and migraines and made you twenty years young :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 3 2020 15:01 utc | 153

The totalitarian Chinese Communist Party-run PRC has now dropped the mask hiding its inherent enmity to human freedom. Mere talk will now get you arrested, imprisoned, tortured, and disappeared in CPC-run PRC. The party is on the Hitler road enamored of Carl Schmitt's [legal crown jewel of the Third Reich] juridical thinking which allows fellow citizens to be termed enemies and slain in secret. The commies done good on poverty reduction, true enough, but then Adolph did too. And nice railroads but railines led to camps in Germany and there are now camps in Tibet and Xinjiang. One wonders if Han culture is just cowed enough to submit. The PRC has nothing to offer the world of any lasting value. When it collapses like the Three River Gorges Dams will it will not be missed.

Posted by: stevelaudig | Jul 3 2020 15:02 utc | 154

Commenters here don't even understand capitalism and already want to lecture everybody on communism (including the CCP!).

This is really the final stage of Western imbecilization ("idiocracy"). With imbecility, comes arrogance, it also seems.

Posted by: vk | Jul 3 2020 15:11 utc | 155

@Willy2 149

And your point being?

I wake up every morning in HK and there's a Chinese person staring back at me in the mirror. If China doesn't have influence then who should? you? pompeo? Kermit the frog?

HK is China, get over it. The last 150 years was just an aberration. just because almost every hker with a decent command of English is a brainwashed supporter of the western lies (textbook self selection bias) doesn't mean the city as a whole has fallen for it.

Yes we're always skeptical of the CCP and know they're no angels, we're not stupid. But at the end of the day, you are what you are and if the west is going to kick off ww3 I much rather be here then in a internment camp.

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 3 2020 15:21 utc | 156

Posted by: stevelaudig | Jul 3 2020 15:02 utc | 154

The totalitarian deep state-run US has now dropped the mask hiding its inherent enmity to human freedom. Mere talk will now get you arrested, imprisoned, tortured, and disappeared in deep state-run US. The party is on the Hitler road enamored of Carl Schmitt's [legal crown jewel of the Third Reich] juridical thinking which allows fellow citizens to be termed enemies and slain in secret. The oligarchs have done good on concentrating wealth, true enough, but then Adolph did too. And nice railroads but railines led to camps in Germany and there are now camps in Gitmo and the Mexican border. One wonders if White culture is just cowed enough to submit. The US has nothing to offer the world of any lasting value. When it collapses like the Hoover Dam will it will not be missed.

Whoop-pee-doo.

Posted by: JW | Jul 3 2020 15:34 utc | 157

@vk 155

forgive them as they have been indoctrinated from birth to associate anything bad with the word communist. they have no idea what it is.

to them it's just like backing football team, their loyalty to themselves and hatred to others is blind and absolute. there's no why. neurons does not need to fire for their responses.

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 3 2020 15:40 utc | 158

450.hoax 152

China helped VN kicked out the French and then murikkans,

China defended nK from the fukus led coalition
this incurred the wrath of fukus who have been
going for China's jugular ever since.

China opposed the rape of ex YUgo, got its embassy
bombed in retaliation.

China opposed the rape of Iraq, resulting in its
embassy got sacked the moment fukus marines
entered Bhadaq and all its oil contracts with
Saddam nullified.

China opposed the invasion of Libya and paid
the price, tens of thousands of its workers
had to flee from the fukus sponsored jihadists.

tip of an iceberg


Call China whatever name you fancy,
fact remains that...

China with Russia, Iran are currently the only
obstacle to fukus full spectrum dominian of the
entire planet.

What an idiot !

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2020 16:01 utc | 159

450.hoax 152
*What a bunch of hypocrites the CCP are. *

Say who ?
The coalition of lying...aka
[[[five liars]]]

Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2020 16:54 utc | 160

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 3 2020 15:40 utc | 158

Yep, that's about it, I've been calling it the High School Football Game Theory of Politics for about 40 years now. "Vote for your team no matter what." Both parties here love it because it avoids any need to talk about policy.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 3 2020 17:04 utc | 161

"And then the United States will defiantly face the world. "You hate us for our corn chips!" Americans will exclaim."

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 3 2020 10:12 utc | 144
...

Ha, thanks for the laugh. Hopefully they will offer various strains of genetically modified...

Yes there seems to be a prolific number of China and Russia bashers 'round here. It's both horrifying and astounding to witness, and listen to, these
propagandized hypocritical dumbfucks. Defending the British influence in Hong Kong being an excellent example. Boxer Rebellion Western Tools?

British Empire invades HK by military force, drugs its people with opium, rapes, tortures, humiliates, murders, steals, lies and tries to destroy the Chinese Culture with scum Christian Rapist Missionaries...and these modern day Westerners deny the reality of all of it. Vile Western "Foreign Devils" will get their deserved humiliation for their hypocrisy and brutality they continue to revere and support.

Kudos to the Chinese Govt and its people for their patience and tolerance in dealing with the Western menace. Fuck the British and American Empire scum...may all who support these Empires brutalities choke on their own blood. You do not deserve to be on this planet for your reckless and disgusting way of life which threatens the natural environment, other cultures, and a peaceful meaningful life.

Posted by: CitizenX | Jul 3 2020 17:32 utc | 162

Trudeau follows..

Canada Suspends Extradition Treaty With Hong Kong Over New Security Law

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-suspending-extradition-treaty-hong-kong-under-security-law-1.5636479

"Canada is suspending its extradition treaty with Hong Kong as part of a package of responses to the new Security Law China has imposed on the region,Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday. Canada's moves follow others taken by the US earlier this week..."

Corrupt HK oligarchs are more than welcome to bring themselves and their money to Canada without fear.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 3 2020 19:46 utc | 163

....heel boy

Canada - Two countries, one system. America's water boy since 1867.

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 4 2020 1:17 utc | 164

@163 "Corrupt HK oligarchs are more than welcome to bring themselves and their money to Canada without fear."

I think they already did. But I get the feeling the next wave are out of luck when it comes to passports.

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2020 1:27 utc | 165

@dh 165

correct, the next wave will have little money and skills. The battlelines are basically drawn between the have and have-nots. Those that had made something of themselves can see where the future lies, the have-nots are looking for a way to short circuit the system.

you don't hear much in the press on local support of the government because anyone (people who have businesses or assets on the line) are too scared about being beat up or doxxed (both are widespread) But I assure you they are there and are the majority.

going by the declared professions of the arrested and convicted rioters in the courts so far, most are unskilled labours (logistics seems to be highly represented), students (as young as 12, born after handover) and low level white collars. a lot of the radical militants are students from VTCs (vocational training centres) kinda like community colleges in the US. Not the highly educated and successful professionals the media would have you believe.

they will be a drag on the welfare and labour system for whoever stupid enough to take them in wholesale.

caveat emptor

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 4 2020 2:50 utc | 166

I would also add, talks in their Facebook and telegram channels suggest they are going to use anti government behaviors as a mean of cheap and expedited migration. hmm, where have we seen this before?

so whilst the national security law is on the whole positive (the hk govt does need to prove they can be entrusted with the new mandate). i suggest violence and sporadic protests will continue for some time.

you will soon hear the media blabbling about how the big bad China is selecting judges for the trials under the new law. fact is a LOT of hk judges are foreigners or carrying multiple passports with conflicting allegiances; or in fear of uncle Sam's sanctions upon themselves and their family overseas.

assault on police, Molotov and battery on civilians etc are being let off with community service or outright suspended sentences. I'm still waiting to see a Chinese or Russian judge presiding over a US National security case. The western cognitive dissonance is truly astonishing.

Posted by: A.L. | Jul 4 2020 3:07 utc | 167

I caught CGTN's News broadcast last night. They reported the "worldwide condemnation" of China's new HK Security Laws. Then they reported that 71 (seventy one) nations have endorsed China's action.

If one happened to be in an idle speculation frame of mind, one could begin counting the number of countries in whose affairs the Christian Colonial Cranks, Thieves & Vampires have interfered, or attempted to interfere, in Historical Times. If you decided to stop counting when you got to 71, there would probably still be a few CC crimes left uncounted.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 4 2020 5:29 utc | 168

Of those mentioned who may be arrested, the name George Soros never came uo. Nor his famous NGO, Open Society Foundation. We'll see if the Chineese have teeth.

Posted by: Joetv | Jul 7 2020 0:52 utc | 169

450.org | Jul 1 2020 21:20 utc | 21

I don't know about Russia, so I have no comment to make on what you wrote about that. I think you are misunderstanding the situation in China. Whilst, no doubt,among the 1.38 billion inhabitants there are a few people who really want a "Western Style Democracy" there is a fundamental difference in the general philosophy of what makes a "good society" to live in, in the West and the East.

Whilst in the West the emphasis is always put on how 'free' the individual is to do his own thing, in China the emphasis is always on how to have a 'harmonious society'. This I think is fairly evidently illustrated in the differing attitudes to wearing a mask, to avoid infecting other people in the US and in China. In the West it seems that a lot of people regard it as an infringement of their freedom whilst in China is is regarded as an obvious measure that one should take to avoid damaging your neighbours.

Will the Chinese people ever achieve democratic control over their government?

The Chinese form of government is not as Undemocratic as the MSM make out. For example, there is a new law being proposed and since July 1, there is a website where one can discuss whether it is a good law or not, one can propose changes and so on until July12. "It's democracy, Jim. Just not as we know it!"

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jul 7 2020 21:28 utc | 170

450.org | Jul 1 2020 21:20 utc | 21
There is also the article by Godfree Roberts in the Unz Review called "Exporting Democracy to China."

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jul 7 2020 21:32 utc | 171

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Posted by: TM | Jul 8 2020 8:44 utc | 172

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