Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 21, 2020

Is Trump Finally Getting It?

U.S. President Donald Trump has finally recognized that his reelection is in danger. The most obvious cause for that is the pandemic which  is spreading uncontrolled throughout the United States.

When the pandemic broke out in Wuhan, China, the U.S. did not take it seriously. The reporting in most main stream outlet was concentrated on maligning China. No danger for the U.S. was anticipated.

A small early outbreak in Washington state was soon brought under control. Trump thought that the pandemic was not going to touch him. It was - in his view - like Russiagate and Ukrainegate just another fake scare that the Democrats were using against him.

Then Italy was hit as well as other European countries. That was a bit of a warning but still not serious enough to take countermeasures. Then came New York and finally it dawned on everyone that the U.S. was unprepared.

Trump recognized that he had to do something. A chaotic White House started to buy up everything - masks, ventilators, drugs - that would be possibly needed. A nationwide lockdown was implemented. The stock market crashed but Trump threatened the Fed until it saved the markets and his bacon. Every day he held widely noted press conference about the pandemic and his 'wonderful' response to it.

The casualties in New York turned out to mostly black lower class people. Only few in Trump's social circles were affected. The numbers in New York came down but the economy still lingered. Against the opinion of every noted specialist Trump declared that the pandemic was over.

He stopped the press conferences and urged that the lockdowns be lifted. There was an election to win and an economy that had to be revived to make that possible.

But the virus had different plans. Trump's June campaign event in Tulsa, Oklahoma, was a flop. Too few people attended. Especially the elder people who usually attended such events stayed away. At the beginning of July Trump stopped live campaigning. Then came the big pandemic waves in states that had voted for Trump. Suddenly it was no longer the black underclass of liberal New York that was dying but the elderly white in Republican states who had voted for Trump.

The mood in the country had turned against him. Trumps poll numbers are down. The economy is still flatlining. The people are afraid and want reassurance. Sunday's Fox News interview (transcript) during which he was called out was a mess for him.

Yesterday Trump, who hates masks, tweeted this:


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The tweet has more than 100,000 retweets and nearly 300.000 likes. Trump also announced that he will again hold daily press briefings on the pandemic.

Did he finally get it?

Those leaders who had their countries successfully counter the pandemic, Xi in China, Moon in South Korea, Merkel in Germany, have all profited politically from their countries' performance. Even Boris Johnson who messed up in Britain did not lose much in the polls. He at least seemed to care for his people.

If from now on Trump plays it right the pandemic can still win him the election. He must show empathy. He must let the (selected) experts speak. He should comment as little as possible on the detailed points they make and stick to the generalities.

The daily face time on TV will be great for campaigning but will not be enough to lift him in the polls. For that he needs to show that he cares.

To tell the people that there is no need to fear the pandemic is wrong. He must acknowledge that the people are afraid and he should assure them that they are not alone in it. Only after he has done so can he appeal to them to go back to work, to again send their kids to schools and to behave reasonably by wearing a mask and by keeping social distance.

Is Trump capable of doing this?

I have my doubts about that.

Posted by b on July 21, 2020 at 17:16 UTC | Permalink

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Below is a short quote from a Reuters story that pertains to my concern about Trump calling it the China virus

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“This is not a hoax - it is a pandemic that has gotten worse before it will get better because of his inaction, and in fact clearly it is the Trump virus,” Pelosi said.

Trump referred to the virus as the “China virus.” The novel coronavirus outbreak began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
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The Trump virus has a certain ring to it and glad to read Pelosi running interference for China......what a strange world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 22 2020 5:44 utc | 101

Further to my comment above quoting Pelosi calling it the Trump virus.

Is it only convenient that the US Dems seem fixated on Russia as the enemy and the GOP sees China as the enemy? Is this a tag team event?

I am curious what the stock market will be manipulated to do in response to the Trump change in posture on the virus? The US dollar has been down a bit but I haven't seen a run against it start.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 22 2020 5:56 utc | 102

Psychohistorian @ 104:

It would seem the Democrats fetishise Russia as the enemy as Crowdstrike (the company that looked after the DNC's servers during the 2016 Presidential elections) was founded by people involved with the Maidan movement in Kiev in 2014. And of course Joe Biden and his son Hunter had, and may still have, interests (political, financial) in post-Maidan Ukraine.

What interests the Republicans might have in China, Hongkong or Taiwan that need protecting from the CCP, I do not know.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 22 2020 6:28 utc | 103

Let us pray that nov 2020 will be a very close and controversial victory for TRUMP , using means of cheating and crooked way he won the election in questionable manners but it is contested by both congress and people..

the end result is CHAOS and Permanent Protests on the streets

Trump is one that destroy america from within. Biden might reverse or slow america's decline into madness , but trump will accelerate the decline into real civil war in USA.

Every sane people in US hated trump , especially after he showed his callous ways for 3 years. When he won 2016 he was an unknown. Now the position reversed and centrist who voted for trump will flock to Biden because he is seen as 'normal president'.

the rabid follower of trump are nothing more than trash section of real america..

lets hope for Trump's victory 2020 that lead to civil war in CONUS

The longer America shot itself in foot , the safer the rest of the world will be

Posted by: milomilo | Jul 22 2020 7:22 utc | 104

People rightly said that COVID handling in US is a disaster of epic proportion.

But look it in another way , COVID cripple US political system and thus prevent their planned military adventures into venezuela and iran.

and america cannot blame anyone except themselves when it come to foolish politization of COViD measures.

When COVID vaccines are available by China and Russia , and given away for free for 3rd world nations , while US sell vaccines with enormous profit margin , the world will see which nations are rational and which are just greedy pigs

Posted by: milomilo | Jul 22 2020 7:25 utc | 105

It is easy to join up with a collective fetishism. It will make you feel all warm and fuzzy. But the real world is a game of poker, and there is no certainty. That there would emerge a group of people who resented wearing the mask should have always been anticipated. What could be more obvious?

But look at history. There was a time when the most powerful voices in medicine would offer cures based on attaching leeches to the patient. And they said women could never have orgasms too. So, thinking like good poker players, we must accept that the novel corona virus may not even exist. The chances are tiny, but crazier things have come to pass many times. There are no sure bets in this world.

Posted by: blues | Jul 22 2020 8:23 utc | 106

You know what, when Trump goes down in flames at the next election two consequences will flow from that:
1) Biden will delude himself that he won on his own merits. Expect him to go full-retard on his domestic policies (basically, graft, graft, and more graft and did-you-bring-me-a-bag-of-banknotes)
2) The Republicans will convince themselves that China is to blame for their wipeout. Expect them to go full-retard on foreign policy.

Neither will end well for the exceptional nation, and will only accelerate the downfall of the USA.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 22 2020 10:19 utc | 107

Chasing dragons or nuclear weapons?

Posted by: Noel Grannell | Jul 22 2020 10:21 utc | 108

Matthew Ehret takes a good look at what the elites are using Covid 19 to achieve.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/07/15/the-great-reset-fraud/

Posted by: Down South | Jul 22 2020 10:22 utc | 109

@101 I prefer "Trumpdemic" myself.

He clearly didn't create the virus, but he is certainly responsible for the US epidemic getting out of control.

Hence: Trumpdemic

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 22 2020 10:23 utc | 110

China and lockdowns and Trump I'm so sick of hearing these two contradictory things. On one hand, Trump/Cotton bray that 'China could have stopped the virus right then and there' and whenever China aggressively contains a new outbreak to 'stop another outbreak right then and there' they are accused of lying about the extent of the original outbreak. How about applauding China for not letting Covid getting a second wind?

Patient zero in the U.S. if it was so easy for China to 'stop the virus right then and there' then why wasn't any other country able to do it? If you think about it, how did China have an advantage. One day you wake up and you have dozens of infected people. If anything it is harder for them to contain it because they are the first. If we get any warning it should be easier for us to contain 15 people.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 22 2020 11:36 utc | 111

Trump wearing a mask? No way, I am going with the QAnon CT that he has been executed and replaced by a double...

Posted by: Qralphieboy | Jul 22 2020 11:42 utc | 112

“This is not a hoax - it is a pandemic that has gotten worse before it will get better because of his inaction, and in fact clearly it is the Trump virus,” Pelosi said.

"Trump referred to the virus as the “China virus.” .. coronavirus

The outbreak began in the Chinese city of Wuhan." by: psychohistorian @ 101<= according to Dr. Pall, just two months before Wuhan made operational 7,500 to 8000 cell towers. ..

The virus infectivity is likely enhanced multi many times by the presence of so much RF. I think as more and more cell towers come on line, and more sources of RF come into existence, that infections and other massive biological problems are going to surface. I do not believe Trump made an error in judgement about the virus, no one knew, <= Trump's error was speaking authoritatively, as if he, the maestro, knew something no one else did. Showman ship cost Trump this election, it confirmed in most people's mind, that America was governed by a nation state that had no rational leadership and no understanding of many things it claimed to be expert at. Projecting expertise, when there was none, may not be Trump's fault, the Electoral College appointed Trump to be President, with full knowledge that Trump had no rational understanding of anything; a problem which time he was in the oval office has proven. The most irrational thing Trump did, can be seen in killing a general on a peace mission in a foreign country and appointing yes men, instead of qualified advisers to his staff. But telling USA governed America not to worry about the Covid 19 virus, as if he, Trump, knew for sure, was the big thing the working grunt on the street in America understood.

The problem is there may be for the voters no other choice. Neither candidate has the moxy needed to be president of the empire that governs America.

Posted by: snake | Jul 22 2020 11:53 utc | 113

Its like me one day deciding to buy house insurance "finally getting it". But after my house has burned down. What has started in regards to the virus is now out of human control here in USA.

Sure Trump can tell us to brace for impact every day. I wont be tuning in for that. And its useless.

Sure he will still get at least 45% of the vote regardless. Even if 1 million americans die by November. So he still has a decent shot at reelection.

Thus the reality of american "democracy"

Posted by: Comandante | Jul 22 2020 12:13 utc | 114

Comandante @114

Of course Trump will get at least 45% of the vote. Who else is there to vote for? Mickey Mouse? Kayne West? Some nasty, racist, war-mongering, dementia-addled kiddy-groper?

For my vote right now it is a toss up between Vermin Supreme and Howie Hawkins, both of whom appear to have about the same odds of winning at this point.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 22 2020 12:40 utc | 115

Trump became a "success" by conning and/or bullying and/or lying to people. That is his "skill" set. So he's used to dealing with all problems as something that can be conned or bullied or lied to. Forces of nature such as plagues, gravity, electricity, great white sharks [for the most part] are not deterred from their mission by conning, bullying, and being lied to. Hence his failure that is catastrophic for those who need governments to govern. All the CV-19 deaths in the US are homicides resulting from his negligence or negligent homicide. But he can't be negligent alone so his sycophants are culpable as accomplices. My concern is that a Biden Administration will defacto pardon all these criminals rather like Obama did with the banksters in 2008. Which allows them to live and our safety requires Darwinism to be allow to have an effect to remove such decisionmakers from the possiblity of return to power.

Posted by: stevelaudig | Jul 22 2020 12:48 utc | 116

IMO the social democrat Sanders would be creaming Trump but because the Democrats decided to make a race out of it by ordaining Biden, the houseplant, the star of the movie '[Almost] Being there'

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 22 2020 12:52 utc | 117

>>Is Trump Finally Getting It?

Chinese Consulate in Houston was just attacked by Trump Administration.

This after attacking the Russian consulate in SF.

Both of these acts are unprecedented in modern history.

Why didn't you (b) comment on the "China Virus" part of his tweet and what does this mean? What do you really think it means? It's not that hard to get what this is all about.


Me thinks b made a big mistake betting on Trump. He is not anti-imperialist for F sake. He wants a Cold War.


He is simply a narcissist triggered that he does not have the "biggest dick". Therefore, he must "show them" what a big man he is.

Posted by: Passer by | Jul 22 2020 12:55 utc | 118

Sociopath Trump finally acted in as small a way as possible in an attempt to address crashing poll numbers.

Republican in a blue suit Biden has dementia but it doesn’t matter because the Oval Office is just a puppet stage. Sociopath Trump is truly awful but at least he hasn’t invaded any countries or started any new wars (yet). You can’t say that about oBOMBa. Both of them - with an overly willing bipartisan congress - poured more money into the war machine than anyone in history.

As for pandemic response Wall St. and big business are flooded with money while citizens got a few hot dogs. It’s pretty much The Great Bailout all over again, but with hot dogs this time.

It’s not just Trump who is a sociopath. DEMs are doing the exact same things the GOP does, lying through their teeth while pretending to serve their base. RussiaGate, UkraineGate, BountyGate ... my car had a flat tire this morning. Damn Russians!

Posted by: Bellevue | Jul 22 2020 13:01 utc | 119

He may have changed, but is still “concentrated on maligning China”. A pandemic can be hard control but so too it seems is the drift towards war with Beijing. A century on, and two world wars, our leaders have still not found a way to prevent them.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/


Posted by: peter mcloughlin | Jul 22 2020 13:01 utc | 120

You might want to read this Twitter thread:


Today on TV, the Deputy Director of the federal paramilitary force in #PDX discussed the infamous van video. He described a textbook example of an unconstitutional arrest.

But... he doesn’t seem to know it.

That is a BIG PROBLEM. Let’s unpack this. It’s important.
(thread)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 22 2020 13:29 utc | 121

Like it or not the elite have decided COVID 19(84) is the excuse they are going to use despite it's 97% or better survival rate and the fact other pandemics in the past have been worse.

Take a look at the World Economic Forum's sales pamphlet and see for yourselves. We are powerless at this point to stop this so arguing over which Elitist banking institution wins the white house is totally irrelevant at this point. That's all bread and circus designed to keep everyone angry, fearful, and divided while the wealthy figure out how to continue to maintain their social status and out sized share of wealth and resources.

Things are going to get very different very quickly going forward and whichever POS runs the facade formerly known as the US government matters not. It's not like electing anyone stops the looting of the treasury or the genocide taking place all over the planet by the MIC and bankster/congressional crime syndicate.

Just try to stay safe and sane without killing anyone please. Quit worrying about fake elections and fake news as well as control dramas orchestrated by the elite.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/covid19-t
Even if we pooled all our money and united we can't stop these people from implementing the "new" shit end of the stick that is our cross to bare.

Peace and tranquility to you all............

Posted by: dave | Jul 22 2020 13:37 utc | 122

Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill Weak State: How the Coronavirus Pandemic Exposed America’s Dysfunctional Democracy

As Donald Trump promises the pandemic will “disappear,” the U.S. simultaneously grapples with a public health disaster, economic collapse, and a social crisis. This week on Intercepted: The Intercept’s Murtaza Hussain is joined by military expert and anthropologist David Kilcullen. He discusses the global national security implications unleashed by the coronavirus and the decline in U.S. dominance and the liberal international system. Kilcullen also examines the catastrophic consequences that could come from rising tensions within the country and between the U.S. and China. Hussain is also joined by Indian writer Pankaj Mishra, author of many books, including,“From the Ruins of Empire: The Intellectuals Who Remade Asia.” Mishra lays out how the rise of free market ideology in the U.S. and Britain has undermined democracy and diminished social protections for ordinary people. He dismisses the idea of a Joe Biden administration as any departure from the status quo and describes how hope lies in the power of nonviolent social movements.

Transcript coming soon.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 22 2020 13:43 utc | 123

The American left is also crumbling to the pandemic:

Mask Up, America -- Trump says it is “patriotic” to wear a face covering. He can back that up by issuing a nationwide mandate.

The governors blocked Trump's attempt to enforce a nationwide lockdown. They alleged the USA wasn't a country, but a federation of countries, hence the POTUS had not power beyond collective security (against a foreign enemy). Now that the USA is in tatters, we see here a Democrat governor begging Trump to issue a nationwide mandate to wear masks. What happened to your precious federation? The Boogeyman ate it?

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To people here claiming Trump is a pacific POTUS, you couldn't be more wrong: Trump is simply trying to initiate the largest war in the USA's History:

US Orders China to Shut Down its Houston, Texas Consulate in 72 Hours

Posted by: vk | Jul 22 2020 14:00 utc | 124

Disagree on war with china starting. We closed down many russian consulates years ago in a worse manner. And sanctioned Russia to the brim. We even denied visas or delayed them to Russian diplomats coming to UN. And there was no war.

China so far is a gentler bear than Russia and they have much more economic weapons to use than Russia.

China will not go to war unless physically attacked.

Posted by: Comandante | Jul 22 2020 14:28 utc | 125

Depressing:

Don't just kill off zombie jobs, create better ones

Roughly two-thirds of Americans receiving unemployment benefits under the CARES act during the pandemic are getting more income than they did when working! For one in five, their income has doubled.

As the Americans like to say: "this is a new low".

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Curious fact:

MI6 regrets helping Vladimir Putin to win power, says ex-spy chief

The ugly truth is: the Russians want communism back. In fact, they never wanted the USSR to be dissolved in the first place.

I hope the abortion of History that happened in 1991 can be somewhat averted in the near future.

Posted by: vk | Jul 22 2020 14:39 utc | 126

I remember i read about the real whistleblower of covid19 in wuhan from link in the comment here but I'm can't seem to find back where it was. Can anyone repost the link for me ? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 22 2020 14:46 utc | 127

AP: A British government report finds that it would be hard to prove claims that Russia tried to influence the 2016 Brexit referendum, but Britain was “slow” to recognize the threat.

https://apnews.com/137ea23528542e51f78af254c81f143c

Posted by: Mao | Jul 22 2020 14:48 utc | 128

Does Trump get it? Can Trump get it? Probably not, but the Republican Party and it's wealthy backers do not want to lose. They are spending $20 million on lawsuits to contest election procedures, and amassing a cadre of tough white supremacist poll watchers to intimidate voters. Trump can continue to act the fool and they will spend another billion to get him reelected anyway.

Posted by: Charles D | Jul 22 2020 14:50 utc | 129

The ugly truth is: the Russians want communism back. In fact, they never wanted the USSR to be dissolved in the first place.

I hope the abortion of History that happened in 1991 can be somewhat averted in the near future.

Posted by: vk | Jul 22 2020 14:39 utc | 126


I don't think so. While they do not agree that Soviet Union or their socialist government was a mistake they do consider the former Warsaw pact and Soviet breakaway country to be their dead weight and useless eater if not outright traitorous opportunists (Ukraine).

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 22 2020 14:52 utc | 130

either b is trolling y'all with this post, or he hates America enough to want to help rehab Trump in the hopes 4 more years will put the finishing touches on destroying US imperialism.

maybe after the US is destroyed Germany can become the shining beacon of the EU and its benevolence will help lift the sinking boats of its southern zone.

lets keep pretending that geopolitics isn't a macro form of the age-old divide and conquer strategies used to keep us arguing about bullshit while the global looting continues.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 22 2020 15:04 utc | 131

What American Century?

Those who worry about—or cheer—its demise don’t realize that there never was one.

One problem with arguments that bemoan or cheer the end of the “American Century” is that there never was one.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/17/no-american-century-demise/

Posted by: Mao | Jul 22 2020 15:04 utc | 132

Max Keiser @maxkeiser

America is collapsing like the Soviet Union did in 1991 - and for the same reasons

Few understand this

https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/1284860495862824960

Posted by: Mao | Jul 22 2020 15:06 utc | 133

Closing The 'Collapse Gap': The USSR was better prepared than the US
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us/

Posted by: Mao | Jul 22 2020 15:09 utc | 134

Lucci @130

It is strange how so many people in the West don't realize that the real opposition in Russia is the Communist Party, not neoliberal cocaine headed clowns with pallet loads of State Department NGO cash. We're talking "real" as in they have actual support from the Russian population, and that support comes from policies and not slick Madison Ave marketing.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 22 2020 15:12 utc | 135

Boeing has a glut of 787 jets piling up in Seattle, South Carolina and the California desert

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-18/boeing-faces-financial-drag-from-dozens-of-undelivered-787-jets

British Airways, the world's biggest operator of Boeing 747-400 jumbo jets, is retiring its entire fleet with immediate effect

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-17/british-airways-love-affair-with-boeing-747-fizzles-out

Posted by: Mao | Jul 22 2020 15:19 utc | 136

Welcome to the Crazed, Frantic Demise of Finance Capitalism

The cognitive dissonance required to ignore the widening gap between the real economy and the fraud's basic machinery--speculation funded by "money" conjured out of thin air--has reached a level of denial that can only be termed psychotic.

When scams start unraveling, the scammers become increasingly frantic to maintain the illusion of legitimacy and the delusion of guaranteed gains that are the lifeblood of every scam.

https://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2020/07/welcome-to-crazed-frantic-demise-of.html

Posted by: Mao | Jul 22 2020 15:22 utc | 137

Offshore financial centers are estimated to hold up to $36 trillion in cash, gold, and securities, not including tangible assets such as real estate, art, and jewels. They could be just what we need to pay for the pandemic, David L. Carden writes.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/16/tax-havens-apple-costs-pandemic/

Posted by: Mao | Jul 22 2020 15:23 utc | 138

@ Mao #137 who wrote
"
When scams start unraveling, the scammers become increasingly frantic to maintain the illusion of legitimacy and the delusion of guaranteed gains that are the lifeblood of every scam.
"

In a financial capitalism world, if you pay half of the people to delude the other half because MAD doesn't let you kill them, the system will consume itself as we are seeing.

Who gets the movie rights to this shit show?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 22 2020 15:32 utc | 139

This post, and virtually all the comments, seem to be rooted in a political comfort zone. In other words, Trump is insane and despised by all, the pandemic is an existential crisis for humanity, and only the strong hand of firm government can bring back normality for all. Good luck with all that.

USA reminds me of the last days of the Roman republic: that footnote of history before all the fun with the emperors started. Do we imagine Trump as a modern day Caligula? Almost certainly, because Trump is evil incarnate, at least according to the Left.

I will not comment on the Coronavirus, because B will delete it, but I would remind everyone that Trump was woefully behind in the polls in 2015/2016. Oops. The US electorate is dependent upon the marginal, floating voter, and this year they have to vote to support BLM, riots and chaos, or someone who is at least claiming to want to rebuild the economy. Left will vote left, Right will vote right; what will Joe Sixpack floating in the middle vote for? More chaos, or less chaos?

Posted by: C | Jul 22 2020 15:33 utc | 140

This is the same Donnie Trump who recently paid a $25 million fine for defrauding the public via his scam online university - this is the guy you expect to man up and lead us out of catastrophe?
It should be no surprise that a morally depraved, mentally and emotionally deranged fraud, whose business model is grifting and bankruptcy, wouldn't care if he trashed our health and the global economy in the dumpster fire of his fake presidency.
Voldemort and the republican party have broken this country.

Posted by: AirmanSparky | Jul 22 2020 15:57 utc | 141

How is race baiting with the term "China Virus" and yellow peril mongering "getting it"? There is no proof the virus originated in China. The South China Sea statement by Pompeo, Hong Kong nonsense, and the ever present Uighur genocide bs and you think nationalizing a virus is "getting it"? IS this a fig leaf to some of your MAGA friendly readers?

Posted by: Georg Witzarbeit | Jul 22 2020 16:11 utc | 142

Very surprised no discussion about Trump’s continual term “China virus.”

That and the mindset it reveals is worth discussing much more than Trump’s presidency....

Posted by: Allen | Jul 22 2020 16:39 utc | 143

A small early outbreak in Washington state was soon brought under control. Trump thought that the pandemic was not going to touch him.

With every passing day this glaring mistake (as I noted @Jul21 18:23 #14) - which forms the basis of this post - looks more like revisionist history from a Trump apologist.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 16:45 utc | 144

Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 16:45 utc | 144

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html

you could have gone back thru the archives yourself instead of bitching about it.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jul 22 2020 17:29 utc | 145

The comments and this website that pretends to be thorough analysis of current events have become in fact supremely cartoonish.

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 18:20 utc | 146

dan of steele @Jul22 17:29 #145


Thanks Dan. But that's only half the story of what I'm bitching about.

Here's the other part: US senator under fire for early coronavirus warning to donors:

Burr is the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and is one of the lead authors of the key US law providing for federal response to a pandemic.

Citing financial disclosure forms, ProPublica reported that Burr sold between $582,000 and $1.5m worth of stock in 29 separate transactions on February 13.

Burr also warned ... [his major financial backers] against travel to Europe, which has since emerged as the new global hot spot, and suggested public schools may have to close, which has now happened.


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Trump made a 'wilful decision' to allow the virus to spread in USA just as much as Obama had made a 'wilful decision' to allow the rise of ISIS. Not fighting the disease guaranteed that he would declare a National Emergency and the first thing he did after it was declared was bail out the banks.

Trump's failure to provide real leadership after he declared the National Emergency has been a boondoggle for Big Pharma and caused more people to die. But Trump blames on China for the outrageous US death toll.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 18:29 utc | 147

@ mao.. thanks for the boeing updates..

@ jackrabbit - @ 144 ... i am not following closely... can you elaborate who that was directed to? thanks.. going to the studio to set up and back in a few hours.. recording session tomorrow...

Posted by: james | Jul 22 2020 18:31 utc | 148

Anyone who can't see this scamdemic for what it truly is has been breathing too much of their own CO2.
Biggest and most powerful lobby in Washington DC and the world? Big Pharma
Largest profit margins in the world? Big Pharma
Largest profit centers for Big Pharma? vaccinations.

Are there actual free and open independently verified elections in the U.S.? Keep dreaming.


Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 18:39 utc | 149

Out of the supposed 15 million confirmed cases worldwide, only 4.1 percent of those resulted in death. In other words if you catch it you have generally a 96 percent chance of surviving it. Better efficacy than most vaccines already out there.

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 18:53 utc | 150

O @Jul22 18:53 #150

Except that the death is no the only bad result. There are continuing health problems for some of those who survive.

And if immunity is not long-lasting, then many survivors will face another chance of dying ... and then another ... and so on.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 19:27 utc | 151

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 19:27 utc | 151

"Except that the death is no the only bad result. There are continuing health problems for some of those who survive.

And if immunity is not long-lasting, then many survivors will face another chance of dying ... and then another ... and so on."


Oh you mean like any one who may get pneumonia, tb, lose a limb, or life time chances of catching a cold or flu and progressively getting worse in any given year, or any other of myriad of things in the world that can possibly kill or maim you like medical malpractice. Even breathing polluted air can hurt and kill you. Life comes with inherent risk. Shocking I know.

Pretending otherwise is allowing fear to control you.

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 19:49 utc | 152

Even by the lying fake WHO numbers 80 percent of persons with covid have mild to no symptoms at all.

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 20:14 utc | 153

O | Jul 22 2020 19:49 utc | 152

Shocking I know.

Well, it is shocking when someone argues against commonsense.

People and governments take precautions against things that can result in health problems and deaths. For reasons that are obvious to most of us.

Governments regulate air pollution and other pollution for a reason.

How many superfund sites or land near superfund sites have you and your libertarian friends bought as second homes and vacation resorts?

Please post pics!

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 20:26 utc | 154

@ jackrabbit... just checking in again and it looks like you missed my post @148... help me out here.. thanks.. back in a few hours..

Posted by: james | Jul 22 2020 20:49 utc | 155

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 20:26 utc | 154

Who is arguing against common sense?

Even the so called authorities by their own numbers and facts do not support this level of hysteria and world wide governmental response. You don't use a pile driver to put in a nail.

Since you can't argue against this, you resort to non sequitur nonsense. And as far I can tell from your previous comments non of it is rooted with any consistent logic just wanting to be part of the in crowd and not banned by this site's overseer.

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 21:04 utc | 156

I think most Trump voters are more disgusted with Trump and the GOP rolling for BLM and Antifa. At best they look weak, but more likely just like the Democrats are complicit. Personally Covid19 is the one thing Trump's handling doesn't bother me. The corruption and questionable practices of federal healthcare experts have.

The deaths primarily are in states with a Democrat Govenor. Here in PA, Health Secretaru Rachel Levine yanked his ninety+ year old mother out of a nursing home right before the order to put Covid19 patients in them. Apparently no one cares since Democrats think they killed off Republicans, while Republicans are eyeing the savings in Medicare, SS, and pension funds.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Jul 22 2020 21:24 utc | 157

Now I have to remind people not to engage the trolls?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 22 2020 22:03 utc | 158

O @Jul22 21:04 #156

this level of hysteria

The hysteria comes from the pro-trump online brigade that pretends that mask-wearing and social distancing is an existential threat to their liberty instead of a reasonable public heath measure.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 22:14 utc | 159

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 22:14 utc | 159

Again stop pretending to know things you simply to don't know about. Cellular molecular biology is my expertise, clearly not yours. Go read the packaging of those mask.

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 22:19 utc | 160

If a mask is just one needs to protect themselves from a supposedly contagious and deadly virus why would need to have t a BSL 4 suit in a BSL 4 lab to work with said viruses?

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 22:36 utc | 161

O ... no.

BSL4 suits? LOL. That's a ridiculous strawman.

Any third rate biologist would know that masks and social distancing are used to reduce R0 not as an attempt to provide full protection.

Is there such a thing as a fourth-rate biologist?

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 22:54 utc | 162

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2020 22:54 utc | 162

Is not a straw man it called consistent logic something you are averse to.

Ah yes "social distancing" a computer model science fair project by a Alberqurque teen 14 years ago. A computer model not based on any real world observations. And as we all know by now computer models can be so off the mark that they can kill your career. Go ask Niall Ferguson and what his Imperial college model brought him.

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 23:13 utc | 163

correction Neil Ferguson

Posted by: O | Jul 22 2020 23:28 utc | 164

donkey changed his moniker....

Posted by: james | Jul 22 2020 23:43 utc | 165

@158 Richard Steven Hack - "Now I have to remind people not to engage the trolls?"

Touché!

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 23 2020 1:00 utc | 166

okay donkey.... it is interesting how quickly you came to respond! i accept your word on it here...

Posted by: james | Jul 23 2020 1:07 utc | 167

@Yeah, Right | Jul 22 2020 10:23 utc | 110

I prefer "Trumpdemic" myself.

I like it!


He clearly didn't create the virus, but he is certainly responsible for the US epidemic getting out of control.

I'm not so sure that Trump has no responsibility for creating the coronavirus. In 2014, Obama had suspended federal funding for gain-of-function research. This research aims at making viruses deadlier or more infectious and is clearly dangerous. However, in 2017, Trump resumed funding gain-of-function research; this is very in character for Trump, as he loves to have advantages on others, however underhanded or immoral.

Covid-19 may well be the result of Trump's re-enabling of gain-of-function research. Evidence for this is Fort Detrick's closure in mid-2019, and the many strange deaths that occurred about then, months before the first case in Wuhan.

Posted by: Cyril | Jul 23 2020 2:36 utc | 168

Thanks b,
Whether the orange one gets it or not is besides the point. He is not the one in charge of his thoughts.
To me, US presidency is aiken to a locomotive conductor. It’s not like a car where you can make quick turns or stop on a dime. Policy is set by the state. He can only speed up, or slow down the locomotive of state moving on rails set up for him. I imagine ocean-liner captain, or aircraft-carrier captain would be good substitute for the conductor.
With his crassness so far, the orange one, has speeded the decline of the empire.

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So, thinking like good poker players, we must accept that the novel corona virus may not even exist. The chances are tiny, but crazier things have come to pass many times. There are no sure bets in this world.
Posted by: blues | Jul 22 2020 8:23 utc | 106

While I agree that in life nothing can be certain, in a way agreeing to a tiny possibility, your post made me wonder if it was fashioned in Nihilistic philosophical view, or whether, it was more existential. Either way, it sent me down a spiritual path.
How do I know my thoughts are real? Cogito ergo sum — I think therefore I am, no longer applies . How do I know, that I’m actually sitting here typing this message, and NOT dreaming that I’m sitting here typing this message(solipsism). [as an aside, it is a comforting to ‘know’ that if the post made it to the ether, er sorry MoA, may be existence of one is possible? or even maybe less so?]

No, no more cogito. The only thing that can now be said is: I think, therefore I thought.
There, that makes it handy, doesn’t it?

Now, barflies, are your thoughts real?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 23 2020 2:55 utc | 169

Sakineh Bagoom

Most humans can't come to terms with their inner thoughts simply ceasing on death. We were burdened with an imagination I guess but with that we can go to all sorts of nice places when we die. Well many can while they're alive. For them, you confuse the issue even more.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2020 3:13 utc | 170

OT OT OT

Poetic justice or schadenfreude?

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 23 2020 3:46 utc | 171

Below is a Xinhuanet link that speaks to my focus on the "China virus" part of Trump's change of support for masks words.

China refutes U.S. claim of coronavirus originating in Wuhan lab

The take away quote
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The spokesperson said that a few politicians in the United States spread rumors and even claimed to have "a large amount of evidence" to support their so-called "truth," showing they have no morals at all.

"The contents disclosed by the relevant reports have enabled the world to see once again how little truth is in the so-called evidence and truth of the United States," Wang said, noting even U.S. experts agree that there is no evidence in the diplomatic cables to support the claim that the novel coronavirus came from the laboratory.

"Speaking of the truth, we do hope that the U.S. government will tell the truth about issues such as the Fort Detrick biolab and give an explanation to the American people and the international community," he said.

When asked for comments about reports that U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo praised Britain's recent move on China, saying that the two countries should build a coalition against Beijing, Wang said Pompeo had recently spared no effort to attack and slander China, wantonly carrying out ideological attacks on China and playing up the threat of China.

"His remarks were full of lies, exposing the serious strategic misjudgment of the United States in its China policy, and full of McCarthyist bigotry," Wang said.

The spokesperson said the United States is forming cliques and provoking ideological confrontations in international relations, running counter to the trend of the times embodying peace, development and cooperation as well as to the wishes of the majority of countries.
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Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 23 2020 4:53 utc | 172

@O according to wiki, the earliest reference to a form of social distancing in disease control dates to the 5th century BC. so, not a science project by an albuquerque teenager in 2006. also used to control the spanish flu. your argument against models reminds me of similar bullshit pushed by people who claim climatology is a plot by scientists against the helpless oil and coal behemoths.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 23 2020 5:00 utc | 173

psychohistorian

Genome sequencing showed that SARS-CoV-2 did not kick of in Wuhan as the earliest patient China could trace it to through genome sequencing was not in Wuhan. But even that patient was not No 1 as as it was a different strain to Wuhan. Looking at global times, China recognizes US have declared war. We will see interesting times.

This is sort of like Operation Barbarossa for nazi Germany. The end point is inevitable.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 23 2020 5:17 utc | 174

Ref Germany
They did a good job trying to contain the virus already in february, while their neighbours France, UK, NL, BE, kept claiming no case or almost (but no test too) and helped it spread all over the world.
Now France, BE, NL are seeing a recrudescence of cases, and in france at least, if you call to get a test, they'll offer you an appointment in August, which is useless because not in the window where you could be shown positive. But they'll cash the gov money still, no problem.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 23 2020 10:01 utc | 175

Wonderful, we know now what the French plan to do with the money borrowed in the name of the EU on financial markets: more BS jobs for the youth (instead of having them help elderlies and at risk not to catch covid, for ex.)
https://www.20minutes.fr/economie/2827611-20200723-plan-jeunes-enveloppe-globale-65-milliards-euros-2020-2021

Posted by: Mina | Jul 23 2020 11:03 utc | 176

What is really amusing is that it is 100% clear that the information bubble has gotten worse since 2016, not better.
This has been accelerated by the cancel culture open war that has broken out. Not only is the other side anathema, the TDS people are now witch hunting among their own ranks.
As such, it is 100% impossible to believe that these "polls" are reliable.
If your business can be destroyed because your 14 year old daughter tweeted a racist comment, 8 years ago, I can only imagine the orthodoxy regime for people who will vote for Trump today vs. 2016.
Adding high schoolers to the mix isn't helping either - they've turned from outing their peers and compatriots, to attacking adults.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 23 2020 15:01 utc | 177

As long as Trump has Twitter at his fingertips, it will be impossible for him to conceal the complete lack of empathy that is the defining feature of every sociopath. And for him to control his mouth at press conferences, interviews and other public appearances is almost inconceivable. The man is an A-hole to his very core and really dumb to boot. His devoted followers may not care, but other people are beginning to notice.

Posted by: Rob | Jul 23 2020 17:58 utc | 178

@178 rob... true that...

Posted by: james | Jul 23 2020 22:08 utc | 179

Perhaps announcing the creation of this new luxury cemetery complex is a good start?! Lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJTPaOeCHFY&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Steven | Jul 23 2020 22:23 utc | 180

Not sure B. I really think Trump needs to be honest with everyone and say that CoVid is natures way of thinning out the morbidly obese, of which the USA has for decades been the epicentre.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 23 2020 22:32 utc | 181

b's pretending that Trump's inept response to the pandemic was an honest mistake is not something that is forgivable.

Any critic of USA Deep State and Trump can see that Trump's inept response has been a device for the Deep State to push their own agenda.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 24 2020 17:42 utc | 182

This is a must-read article at Robert F. Kennedy's website about how COVID "fatalities" are counted. CDC guidlines count every death as COVID.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/if-covid-fatalities-were-90-2-lower-how-would-you-feel-about-schools-reopening/?itm_term=home

Second question: what percentage of test swabs test positive right out of the box? Of those that test positive, what percentage are contaminated with the virus? How many of these famously inaccurate tests are actually making real people really sick?

Posted by: journey80 | Jul 25 2020 13:31 utc | 183

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