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July 13, 2020

Covid-19 - New Quick Tests Are Coming, Cootiestan, A Lack Of Lockdown Death

A fast test for SARS-CoV-2 infections is urgently needed. One is now is coming to the market:

FDA Authorizes First Antigen Test to Help in the Rapid Detection of the Virus that Causes COVID-19 in Patients

The name "antigen test" is a bit confusing. These tests look for fragments of proteins that are found on or within the virus. In this case the sample is taken via a nasal swab. Other such tests will soon work with saliva on a mouth swab. That these test use an antigen to the protein is a technicality and not really relevant.

These kind of tests are comparable to quick pregnancy test. They are for use at home or at points of care for quick screening. The usual turn around time for such tests is some 15 minutes and they do not require special equipment.

Today we use RT-PCR tests which require special preparations and expensive laboratory equipment. PCR tests are very specific and have a high sensitivity which means they show only very few SARS-CoV-2 positive people as negative. Antigen tests are less sensitive. Some low percentage of people who have the virus will have a negative antigen test.

But the advantage of the antigen tests is their simplicity, speed and the mass production costs of about one dollar. They can be integrated into normal life processes like international travel without causing long delays. That the tests have some false negatives does not matter much. Epidemiological modeling shows that when often used these are superior to other methods of epidemic surveillance:

Given the pattern of viral load kinetics, we model surveillance effectiveness considering test sensitivities, frequency, and sample-to-answer reporting time. These results demonstrate that effective surveillance, including time to first detection and outbreak control, depends largely on frequency of testing and the speed of reporting, and is only marginally improved by high test sensitivity. We therefore conclude that surveillance should prioritize accessibility, frequency, and sample-to-answer time; analytical limits of detection should be secondary.

Many of these kind of tests will soon come to the market. They will be very helpful to get outbreaks under control.

Here in Germany the usual turn-around time from taking a sample for a PCR test to the communication of the result to the tested person is some 24 hours. In the U.S. the PCR testing is disorganized which is a major reason why the country is unable to bring its outbreaks under control:

Some testing sites are struggling to provide results in five to seven days. Others are taking even longer. Outbreaks across the Sun Belt have strained labs beyond capacity. That rising demand, in turn, has caused shortages of swabs, chemical reagents and equipment as far away as New York.

The long testing turnaround times are making it impossible for the United States to replicate the central strategy used by other countries to effectively contain the virus — test, trace and isolate.

A PCR tests costs about $150. Antigen tests will likely be available for less than $10.

As antigen and PCR tests look for pieces of the virus they may show someone who has had the virus,  is no longer contagious but is still shedding its debris as SARS-CoV-2 positive. An additional serological quick test that looks for antibodies to the virus can separate these cases from those who are newly infected.

Covid-19 may well be here to stay. If that is the case I expect that in future all medical personal, all visitors to care homes, international travelers and anyone entering a hospital or even a medical practice will be required to take an antigen test and, if positive, also a serological test. Combined and used widely these tests can make everyday life for everyone a little safer.

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The U.S. has become 'Cootiestan' and only very few countries are now accept visitors from there. The map showing the effect is impressive:

The most reliable projections are saying 200,000 dead and 50 million infected by election day in November. Even these projections struggle to account for completely irrational federal actions like denigrating masks, pushing to reopen early, and pushing students back into schools. This is not the absence of public health, this is its opposite.

It is, in effect, governance by COVID-19. Not a failed state. A plague state.

Combined with Trump's anti-immigration measures this will make studying in the U.S. for students from abroad much less attractive. The National Foundation for American Policy finds:

The enrollment of new international students at U.S. universities in the Fall 2020-21 academic year is projected to decline 63% to 98% from the 2018-19 level, with between 6,000 to 12,000 new international students at the low range, and 87,000 to 100,000 at the high range, according to a National Foundation for American Policy analysis. The decline of as many as 263,000 students from the 2018-19 academic year total of approximately 269,000 new international students would be the lowest level of new international students since after World War II when the numbers started to be tracked. The 12,000 level represents new international students if only new students from Mexico and Canada enrolled. Given uncertainties surrounding even Mexican and Canadian students, the most pessimistic forecast would put the number of new enrolled international students at only half the 12,000 level. The enrollment of new international students was approximately 7,800 in 1948-49, the first year on record.

Foreign students usually pay full tuition for enrolling in U.S. institutions. If those numbers come true the lack of new foreign 'customers' will result in a huge budget hit for U.S. universities.

This is just one of many severe consequences that the runaway epidemic in the U.S. will have.

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Some covidiots have claimed that "Lockdowns kill people!"

Well...

Thomas Hegghammer @Hegghammer - 20:05 UTC · 12 Jul 2020

Norwegian undertakers request economic assistance from the government because the Coronavirus lockdown led to a _decline_ in deaths: Færre dør – krise for begravelsesbyrå

Norway acted timely. Its Covid-19 peak of new cases was about 270 per day (7 day average) and the total deaths were some 250. The country has reopened and it now has under 10 new cases per day. The lockdown did not only prevent an out of control epidemic situation, it also stopped accidents from happening. Less stress led to fewer other incidents like heart attacks. In total the number of deaths declined!

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Thanks for the Covid update b

I would only add to those tested by this method that need serological test follow up are the now reported 40% asymptomatic types.

Yes, The US is now Cootiestan Primed

Now, if we could only make global private finance Cootiestan........

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2020 18:50 utc | 1

Funny how the visa-free map from before the COVID-19 pandemic is roughly equal to the extent of the American Empire itself.

And the loss of foreign students signifies much more than the mere loss of income for the American universities: it also means the loss of grip over the provinces' regional elites.

Most of the foreign students in the USA are sons and daughters of the regional elites. They live the American way of life, get westernized, and go back to their countries (which they will likely rule) with a liberal ideology ingrained in their minds. They are the rough equivalent to what the hostage was during Antiquity. To lose 263,000 hostages in less than one year would be a devastating blow to American diplomacy.

Posted by: vk | Jul 13 2020 18:57 utc | 2

Until MofA does a proper estimate of how many people will die from covid I shall read no more scare mongering from him.

He needs to do that for himself so he can return to adding the enormous value he does in every other topic.

100% infections means how many deaths, of which how many Under 80, under 60, under 40.

And enough of this silly idea that infection might not provide immunity - this is extremely unlikely and there is no evidence for it.
But immunity without infection seems to be certain - most children just don't get it. Yet they were all going to school when the virus was rampant, and like colds and lice covid surely should be raging in any school/

Posted by: Michael Droy | Jul 13 2020 19:05 utc | 3

vk

One commenter mentioned a brain drain in relation to foreign students no longer coming to America but I guess the brain drain will occur when out of work professors start heading off to other countries like China in search of work.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 13 2020 19:09 utc | 4

vk@2
'regional elites' and carefully chosen quislings and other candidates for the future patronage of US Embassies and the Security Services.
One can only hope that the restictions which will keep students of economics out of the US will al;so keep out cops and soldiers selected to attend the death squad colleges run by the military.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 13 2020 19:13 utc | 5

Covid-19 may well be here to stay. If that is the case I expect that in future all medical personal, all visitors to care homes, international travelers and anyone entering a hospital or even a medical practice will be required to take an antigen test and, if positive, also a serological test. Combined and used widely these tests can make everyday life for everyone a little safer.

Turn off 5 g and other electromagnet and optiomagnetic sources of radiation to see the virus infections dissipate.

Posted by: snake | Jul 13 2020 19:20 utc | 6

@2 and @4

Why the long faces about foreign exchange students? It should be a good thing as far as you are concerned and yet your responses are both laments and taunting. Good riddance to the foreign students. May they do well for and in their own countries. Maybe China can finally develop its university system which is woefully behind in both prestige and substance compared to western universities.

It's time for America to grow its own talent rather than poaching talent from around the world. Of course, this would require America to overhaul, from top to bottom, its entire educational system and approach, but if there is a will, which there isn't obviously, there is a way.

As for the Chinese foreign students blocked from America? Let them develop creative, innovative ways to reeducate and assimilate ethnic groups like the Uyghurs and perhaps, hopefully for all humanity, develop birth control that can be easily administered to all Chinese of child-bearing age that is effective and safe and convenient and mandatory so China can reduce its planet-destroying population of 1.5 billion to a reasonable number of 100 million give or take 20 million.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 13 2020 19:22 utc | 7

Yes, the recent significant increases in US testing I think include a very large number of antigen tests.

For what it's worth, there do also exist fast/easy-to-use PCR tests, with a low up-front equipment cost. So-called "point-of-care" tests, such as the much maligned* Abbott "ID-Now" product**. Anyway, there is a well funded effort underway to significantly increase the production of these things. Fast PCR-type tests and antibody/antigen testing complement each other very nicely.

My other comment is that for all of these testing technologies, pricing in the US market is a bit absurd. I would suggest looking at international pricing, someplace like Korea for example, to figure out what it really costs.

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* In May-June there have been some concerns about a small but distinctly uncomfortable rate of false negatives in clinical use (a bigger deal than just the percent of individuals affected, because hospitals wanted to use the test to decide whether to put a patient into the infected section of a hospital or the non-infected section)
** disclosure... very faint and indirect involvement in this project, I state no opinion about positive or negative prospects for commercial success.

Posted by: ptb | Jul 13 2020 19:27 utc | 8

This is greet news about the test, b. Currently in America, it's only the wealthy who can tested every day or every three days. We have some wealthy acquaintances, not friends mind you because we could never morally be friends with wealthy pigs and all wealthy people are inherently pigs, who are getting tested every day, every other day and every third day. In otherwords, some are every day, others are every other day and still others are every third day. They are getting tested all of the time because they're special and they deserve it. This test will make testing more egalitarian and equitable and I'm all for anything that does that. Of course, Donald Trump the fat orange douchebag will find a way to block this in America just as he's blocking foreign exchange students. Or, he and his handlers will find a way to make it cost prohibitive even though, as you say, it's inexpensive to produce. Also, testing is just one leg of an effective pandemic management strategy. Contact tracing is crucial and effective quarantine measures are crucial for those who test positive. The honor system cannot, does not and will not work in America.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 13 2020 19:30 utc | 9

"The U.S. has become 'Cootiestan' and only very few countries are now accept visitors from there."

If I want to go on an African safari then I guess Tanzania is my destination. Now Americans will actually feel what it's like to be part of the "axis of evil".

Posted by: One Too Many | Jul 13 2020 19:32 utc | 10

I just wish B would stop talking about this topic. I am sick of it.

He needs to concentrate on topics focused on politics, topics of geostrategic importance and interesting stories.

In 6000 year of human history there has never been a time when whole populations have been quarantined. Only those who are sick.

This quarantine will lead to more deaths as compared to the virus itself. People who should have gone to hospital didn’t because they were scared. Screening for cancer cancelled. Job losses and poverty will lead to more deaths.

Elderly people and those who are immuno-compromised should have been quarantined. Support is given to those people. The rest continue as normal and the economy does not crash.

B - please stop talk talking about this. I’m finding I visit your website less frequently now.

Posted by: Justin | Jul 13 2020 19:33 utc | 11

The loss of International students also means a welcome decline in their indoctrination to Neoliberalism and its Junk Economics. Visa limitations are also affecting the seasonal job market which despite massive unemployment aren't seeing enough willing applicants as reported by several versions of this article, but leaves the pocketbook economics of why those on unemployment aren't applying unexplained. But what incensed wife and I over the weekend was what was reported in an article similar to this one that NBA players in their "Orlando Bubble" would be tested daily and get results much swifter than the general public who suffer from an overall shortage of tests and overloaded labs that are unable to provide timely results. IMO, none of the professional or collegiate sports leagues should be allowed to reopen if they're going to drain scarce resources away from the general public, which will certainly be the case as shown by the linked item and others.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2020 19:38 utc | 12

Let the Trolls bark at the passing caravan, b, and keep reporting on this vital topic!!!!!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2020 19:43 utc | 13

"Covid-19 may well be here to stay." Yeah, but it could also die, through mutation. Nobody knows.

Every time the virus replicates, there's a danger of error in the copy. COVID-19 is a very large virus, according to reports, with 29,900 bases as opposed to 15,000 in normal flu. Apparently also with a repair mechanism for copies.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-visual-guide-to-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus/

That doesn't mean that it won't mutate, just less likely. Replicating perfectly every time is a difficult job. We shouldn't take for granted that it will happen.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 13 2020 19:44 utc | 14

Like giving a ray gun to a caveman I don't see that the U.S. has a rational POV to use this test because we are insane no matter how good it is. BTW my favorite Trumpite, Laura Ingraham specifically called out this test for being unreliable for giving false positives. I believe Laura about as much as I believe her accounts about the Uighurs in China being chained together by their noses (yes, she tweeted - SQUAWKED - that).

If the U.S. was rational 1. we could use this to reopen schools by testing everyone at the end of the school day to see if they should return the next day, 2. see how Japan and Germany were able to re-open schools.

Since the U.S. is NOT rational we will keep making Dr. Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity rich.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 13 2020 19:50 utc | 15

Wasn't careful about the reading, since I am a cheapskate, even at $10, probably just test the school staff on a daily basis but only test students twice a month or if there was an outbreak in the school staff or if there were symptoms. I'd do temperature screenings because that is instantaneous.

My policies are not perfect but the point is, more frequent testing for school staff.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 13 2020 19:56 utc | 16

Cootiestan, haha, order a round of booze and do your two minutes of hate.

instead schoolyard name-calling, our host could have spent a few minutes including the company out of the gates with this test--Quidel Corporation.

three years ago they got sued, which happens a lot in the world of business, right?

What happened
After the company announced that it is being sued by one of its customers, shares of Quidel Corporation (NASDAQ:QDEL), a maker of diagnostic testing equipment, fell 10% as of 3:45 p.m. EST on Monday.

So what
Quidel issued a press release today acknowledging that one of its customers -- Beckman Coulter, a division of Danaher (NYSE:DHR) -- plans to sue it; Beckman hopes to sell its B-type Natriuretic Peptide (BNP) assay products directly to customers instead of through Quidel.

Why is a lawsuit necessary for Beckman Coulter to pursue such an action? The reason is that Quidel currently holds an exclusive supply agreement with Beckman that prevents it from doing so (that supply agreement came from its recent deal with Alere, which is now a division of Abbott Laboratories).

As a result, Quidel's management team views Beckman's suit as "meritless" and plans to "vigorously defend its position."

Wall Street isn't thrilled with the news of an upcoming lawsuit, so it is understandable that shares are tanking today.

this proves nothing other than what a little curiosity and ten minutes with a search engine can produce.

in my neck of the woods a biotech firm started by some dudes laid off by GlaxoSmithKline, called Inimmune, just announced 22 million in funding. local media is about as curious as our host when it comes to making certain connections. in this case the "local" investors come from a California transplant by the name of Mike Goguen, who fled Cali after this controversy blew up.

now, in his adopted town of Whitefish, he was recently sued by the CHIEF OF POLICE for interfering in an investigation.

so many interesting tidbits that go unconnected. I wonder why?

Posted by: lizard | Jul 13 2020 19:56 utc | 17

The good news is that the unstoppable juggernaut of globalization has fallen to it's knees. Countries and societies around the world will have to look at ways they came become independent and self sufficient,at least to some degree. It's like "War of the Worlds" really, the best effort of humanity to contain the plague fails, but a random natural occurrence saves humanity from the brink of destruction. Hopefully some real scientists will be allowed to mitigate the medical disaster, but one thing is for sure, the grand plan of turning everyone into a nomad competing for pennies on the international market, for the sole benefit of the richest among the rich, is dead. Some really hard times are coming for the international nomads/ parasites, and hopefully humanity will move to some more beneficial culture, and have a real chance to survive as a species, in the long term.

Posted by: Tod | Jul 13 2020 20:05 utc | 18

re Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2020 19:38 utc | 11 and others before him.

Chinese students have been a major financial support of western universities (US + UK at least, not so much France). There's a danger of the universities failing without them.

Of course we all know the Chinese students are given scholarships to be there in order to reap Western technology for Chinese use. It's probably true, though I was a bit surprised to find Chinese students in classes of Art History (though in that case the student was financed by the family).

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 13 2020 20:11 utc | 19

@17

Spot on. This pandemic is a wake up call that globalization as we knew it is dead in the water. Dead for every developed and developing country, be it the EU or America or Canada or South America or Russia or China or you name it. Naturally, this also means an end to growth. The contraction can be welcomed as necessary and managed as equitably as possible, or it can be ignored at the peril of those ignoring it and at the peril of the entire planet. For the China cheerleaders, this means an end to the Belt and Road Initiative.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 13 2020 20:17 utc | 20

"The good news is that the unstoppable juggernaut of globalization has fallen to it's knees."

Yeah, let's go back to subsistence agriculture. You can be sure then that what you eat is local.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 13 2020 20:23 utc | 21

@20
"Yeah, let's go back to subsistence agriculture. You can be sure then that what you eat is local."
Like what 10000 B.C.? Commerce existed for the most part of human existence. The ancient Greeks where masters of it. As where the Phoenicians, the Romans, and countless other cultures. There's a difference between commerce and inter state relations and having a world where one has no country and must compete with the lowest bidder on the planet, on an individual level.
But you probably already knew that...

Posted by: Tod | Jul 13 2020 20:30 utc | 22

NWould big pharma actually allow a $10 test? Look at how opposed they are to use of the cheap Hydroxychloroquine.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Jul 13 2020 20:39 utc | 23

@22

Clorox and Lysol are still relatively inexpensive and easily injected per Trump's suggestion. Give it a try. What do you have to lose?

Guyana On The Potomak

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 13 2020 20:48 utc | 24

Posted by: Tod | Jul 13 2020 20:30 utc | 21

The Chinese are masters of international commerce. I don't mind, way things are. They export their finished products, and conceal the technological secret. In the past it was porcelain, and they concealed the commercial secret for the longest time. Before that it was silk.

Today they've been technologically behind, so they send out students to discover. University administrators need money, so they take Chinese students, unaware of the implications.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 13 2020 20:53 utc | 25

Laguerre 18

Doesn't matter if they or the Chinese government pay the fees, when they stop going to US universities, the money also stops.
China has been trying to attract top professors from around the world. I think a good number of those professors who's universities will no longer be able to pay them will head for China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 13 2020 20:54 utc | 26

Tod @17

Wishful thinking, young sir, to switch to locally sourced would bankrupt every country trying it by far quicker than if it just kept going as before. Some realignment is on cards, it's criminal for the Republic to get over 90% of the needed antibiotics from China and India (that's by volume not value, by value imports are around 30% of the antibiotic US market), the problem is who's going to make the cheap stuff in the US then?

Posted by: Baron | Jul 13 2020 20:56 utc | 27

Chinese students - what i see this summer in UK is University towns full of Chinese students. I guess of course they are simply not allowed to return home because they might bring Covid with them.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Jul 13 2020 21:00 utc | 28

@ 450.org 10

Maybe China can finally develop its university system which is woefully behind in both prestige and substance compared to western universities.

University rankings are always flawed, and from personal knowledge I see significant flaws in this one. Nevertheless, in terms of prestige, Asian universities are already there.

Best Global Universities for Engineering

I cannot measure substance, but in prestige (reputation and research in the field) the top engineering school in the world is at Tsinghua University. Of the top 20 engineering schools in the world, 6 are in non-HK China, 2 are in HK, 2 are in Singapore, 5 are in the US, 2 are in non-UK Europe, 1 is in the UK, 1 is in Malaysia and 1 in Saudi Arabia. Note no Caltech, no Carnegie Mellon, no Oxford, no Cambridge, no Ecole Polytechnique (Paris).

Posted by: dynkyd | Jul 13 2020 21:03 utc | 29

hmmm, thought my comment was at #17?

Posted by: lizard | Jul 13 2020 21:07 utc | 30

Michael Droy @28

Students returning from diseased places like Britain and the US must quarantine for two weeks. Very inconvenient, but understandable.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 13 2020 21:09 utc | 31

As a long time reader I would like to thank b. for his excellent work on Syria and on geopolitics. However, I now learn from b. that Prof Michael Chussudovsky of Global Research, Mike Whitney, Patrick Henningsen, Syria Perspective, James Corbett to name just a few are “Covidiots.” Mmmm. Have we got a bit above ourselves Mr b.? Do you really think you can trash the opinions of people of that stature by labeling them as idiots? Has it occurred to you that the idiot might be you, b.?

Posted by: zambujeira | Jul 13 2020 21:15 utc | 32

@ Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 13 2020 20:53 utc | 25

IP has nothing to do with industrial secret, it merely states that, if you want to manufacture using the IP, you must pay a "royalty" to the owner of the IP. Anyone can use an IP - as long as you pay for it.

Industrial secret is simply an absolute secret that can't get out in any circumstance.

Posted by: vk | Jul 13 2020 21:16 utc | 33

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 13 2020 20:54 utc | 26

I'm well aware of Western university activities in China. I'm not quite sure whether it's the Chinese asking, or the Western universities investing in an open opportunity. It's the same thing really, the Chinese want education, and information. Probably to feed into the national interest.

China has become more nationalist recently. We'll have to see whether it lasts.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 13 2020 21:16 utc | 34

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 13 2020 19:22 utc | 7

India is nearing 1,5 billion people and Africa is estimated to reach 4 billion people.

This may give you a heart attack :)

Posted by: Passer by | Jul 13 2020 21:16 utc | 35

@35

Africa will never reach 4 billion. The current consumption rate, the pace at which the planet is being devoured and despoiled, is sure to give everyone a heart attack let alone a pretzel attack.

Posted by: 450.org | Jul 13 2020 21:23 utc | 36

Thanks b, for your continuing coverage. Considering that there is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection, the question of What To Do If COVID-19 Is Here To Stay is addressed in an article on Naked Capitalism.

Posted by: Trisha | Jul 13 2020 21:27 utc | 37

Laguerre

The pivot on China began in 2011. I would guess that even before then, many Chinese would have understood that the US would turn on them once its economy started to pass that of the US. As far as its borders are concerned, China has always had red lines, which the yanks found in Korea when a peasant army drove them back.
China has been offering very good terms to bring in professors to teach at their institutions. Leading edge science is about developing rather than copying. A number of areas now in which China leads the world, a couple of which are communications and civil construction/public transport.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 13 2020 21:31 utc | 38

I have to wonder why Moon doesn't come across Covid information like this from the LA Times:
...Scientists have devised a way to use the antibody-rich blood plasma of COVID-19 survivors for an upper-arm injection that they say could inoculate people against the virus for months.
Using technology that’s been proven effective in preventing other diseases such as hepatitis A, the injections would be administered to high-risk healthcare workers, nursing home patients, or even at public drive-through sites — potentially protecting millions of lives, the doctors and other experts say.
The two scientists who spearheaded the proposal — an 83-year-old shingles researcher and his counterpart, an HIV gene therapy expert — have garnered widespread support from leading blood and immunology specialists, including those at the center of the nation’s COVID-19 plasma research.
But the idea exists only on paper. Federal officials have twice rejected requests to discuss the proposal, and pharmaceutical companies — even acknowledging the likely efficacy of the plan — have declined to design or manufacture the shots, according to a Times investigation...

Or this one from The original article was published in the Swiss magazine Weltwoche (World Week) on June 10th. The author, Dr. Beda M Stadler is the former director of the for Immunology at the University of Bern, a biologist and professor emeritus. Coronavirus: Why Everyone Was Wrong. It is Not a “New Virus”. “The Fairy Tale of No Immunity”
...It was even more wrong to claim that the population would not already have some immunity against this virus." The immune response to the virus is stronger than everyone thought...
Did he not notice that Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine had to retract articles saying Hydroxychloroquine didn't work. or notice that other studies like the VA one used advanced patients and hydroxychoroquine without the recommended zinc and arithromicin. Its proponents say it works best on early subjects. some studies used much higher than recommended doses that were known to cause side effects.
Moon has never mentioned that children under 10 have none to very few serious infection do mot readily transmit the disease.
That many knowledgeable people say we already have some immunity from the other 4 coronaviruses that cause colds every year. that one can test positive when one has conquered the disease with the test detecting virus fragments and not viable virus which is from its design (yss it would be detecting viable virus also.) The rt PCR test is designed to amplify only a fragment of the RNA. hopefully a unique to SARS COV 2 and not cross reactive to other viruses or the bodies own exosomes. It is basically useless for quantitative analysis.
He has not mentioned the likelihood that the protocol used to treat (too early use of ventilators and strong antivirals with serious side effects on people with already compromised health) themselves caused death.
He doesn't seem to notice the use of the covid exaggeration for the use of the national surveillance state - yes the lockdowns the masks the social distancing the destruction of small businesses. Cruise ships I could care less about. Quarantines for and lockdowns for healthy people - not even medieval.
Yes I would gladly trade a year of life for my already dying grandmother for not giving a lifetime malnutrion defect to millions of children.


Posted by: gepay | Jul 13 2020 21:36 utc | 39

gepay 39

A lot of shit comes out of yankistan. Waste of time b sternograghing it.
Plasma was used in China when they were bringing there outbreak under control and also by Russia. A lot of shit posted in western media as new discoveries was covered in the handbook put out by Jack MA back in March that covered everything China new about treating the disease at that point. That should have been the starting point for other countries which were hit with outbreaks later.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 13 2020 21:55 utc | 40

And know there’s this from WHO curtesy of RT.
Surly this should silence the doubters !
Ha ha only joking.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 13 2020 22:15 utc | 41

Here it is

https://www.rt.com/news/494619-who-coronavirus-public-enemy/

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 13 2020 22:20 utc | 42

Viruses have been around before DNA. Of course they are here to stay. Much of our DNA came from viruses. All life has an immune system thats designed to defend against pathogens. It has memory and it learns. In humans our immune systems are incredibly efficient and constantly evolving

Sure, a new virus may cause some problems to some people, but not all. Those with poor immune systems and comorbidities, or those who happen to be genetically susceptible may die. Too bad, we all die. Thats life. You try to prevent it without stopping people from living

A virus free planet is not possible. We must learn to exist with our virus laden environment. Locking healthy people up and hiding from viruses is an absurdity bordering on insanity

As for Norways situation, an extended lockdown when there are no excess deaths begs the question. Why lockdown in the first place?. The virus wont disappear since its global. Sooner or later everyone will be exposed. Most of those people recover, many wont even know they had it unless tested.

Indeed a report out of Norway calls for not implementing a second lockdown as the costs are too high.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.no/

20200601/interview-why-norway-wont-have-a-second-lockdown/amp

As fir lockdowns not causing deaths in Norways, its a rich socialized country. They have the fourth-highest per-capita income in the world. Their social security system and national health insurance and lack of poverty prevent many of the financial stresses that caused deaths in urban poor areas in the US. Has covid really dropped IQ’s this low?

Posted by: Kay Fabe | Jul 13 2020 22:26 utc | 43

There will come a time - reasonably soon, certainly sooner than anyone is expecting - when there will be a two-tiered system in place for international travel.

One tier will be for those countries that took covid-19 seriously, and passport holders in that tier will be able to travel reasonably freely.

The second tier will have three countries in it - the USA, Brazil and the UK - and passport holders from those three countries will be banned from travelling anywhere except between each other.

Not "Cootiestan". No. The word used to describe the USA will be "pestilent".

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 13 2020 23:07 utc | 44

For those interested in covid 19 reporting that goes deeper than mainstream media there is
facts about covid 19 from Swiss Policy Research Off guardian articles on Covid are worth reading. Many other epidemiologists and immunologists. There are the opinions of John P A Ioannidis of Stanford University and others at Stanford. there is the James Corbett reports on the "plandemic" aspects (which Moon is obviously not reporting on) and am excellent 4 part series on Bill Gates 0f whom Moon seems to think has nothing to do with how this is working out. Event 201 - Dark Winter Whitney Webb on Jimmy Dore about how everything brought about by Covid 19 was already planned out in pre existing documented meetings. While I don't go as far as Jon Rappaport and Andrew Kaufmann thinking SARS COV 2 might not even exist much of their other reporting is worth considering. These are useful antidotes to the main stream hyping of covid `19,

Posted by: gepay | Jul 13 2020 23:07 utc | 45

Why not directly address some of the complaints about your rony coverage?

Ideally nobody would die of a virus. Acknowledging that numbers are only estimates, half a million deaths is a lot of tragedy for a lot of people. It is just that seven billion is a very very very big number...

Posted by: Rae | Jul 13 2020 23:17 utc | 46

antigen tests--
PCR tests are incredibly accurate.
Antigen tests? Big problems so far.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jul 13 2020 23:28 utc | 47

Kay @43
There are viruses and viruses. This is a particularly nasty one- let us hope that you don't have to find out how nasty for yourself.
As to Norway's wealth, it is honestly come by. No country on earth has had more wealth, more accessible, to share among fewer people than the United States. If the people of the United States were given the choice they would have a social security system and a free healthcare system just like Norway's. But they have no choice.
If you want to look at absurdities bordering insanity-look around you and weep as state and federal politicians blithely choose keeping bars open over saving human lives.

zambujeira@32 Anyone suggesting that the Covid pandemic is a fraud promoted by a conspiracy, is an idiot. If they had previously enjoyed good reputations, they have now lost them. That is the way that life goes for those of us who aren't celebrity fans.

gepa@39 Congratulations on being the last man on earth to claim that Hydroxychloroquine is a treatment for Covid. Not even Trump or Bolsonaro are still making that claim.

Laguerre it is a patent absurdity to add international freight costs, financial and environmental, to the cost of producing food. The justification of the great bulk of international trade lies in labour cost arbitrage.
Subsistence agriculture, which would probably involve about an hour's work daily, would be a wonderful and secure alternative to the current system which leaves millions of people, most of them living in lands ideal for food production, malnourished and unhealthy.
There are alternatives to capitalism and we either explore them seriously or condemn billions of people to die, prematurely.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 13 2020 23:32 utc | 48

The Cootiestan reference is due to the author of the comicstrip Dilbert who began using the term last week.

Gotta call BS to Kay Fabe @43 saying viruses predate DNA.

Clearly, some powerful forces don't want the truth about COVID-19 or anything else to be written about.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2020 23:32 utc | 49

Kay Fabe @Jul13 22:26 #43:

... an extended lockdown when there are no excess deaths begs the question. Why lockdown in the first place?

This is lying with statistics.

'Excess deaths' show to what extent your counter-measures are working FOR A KNOWN HAZARD. Are people following seat-belt laws? Are they getting flu shots? etc.

Just because we have a mild flu season doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight a new and completely unrelated virus.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 13 2020 23:33 utc | 50

bevin @48--

Back in university, I read a study about horticulturalists and the amount of time they actively worked during a 7-day week. The answer was 34 hours. IMO, subsistence communalism is a very viable lifestyle; and with the aid of modern scientific knowledge, it could become very attractive as the amount of work time per week would likely be reduced.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2020 23:39 utc | 51

bevin @Jul13 23:32 #48

Congratulations on being the last man on earth to claim that Hydroxychloroquine is a treatment for Covid.

Your response is also misleading.

Covid-19 is a potentially deadly complication of SARS-COV-2.

HCQ+Zinc is believed to be disrupt SARS-COV-2 so that Covid-19 and other complications are avoided.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 13 2020 23:41 utc | 52

From deep in the heart of the pariah nation, thanks for your excellent COVID coverage.

Posted by: snow_watcher | Jul 13 2020 23:48 utc | 53

@45 gepay "There are the opinions of John P A Ioannidis of Stanford University and others at Stanford."

Ya' know what, I suspect there is soon going to come a time when the answer to such rhetorical questions will run along these lines: Stanford? That's in the USA, isn't it?

An opinion from an American - even one who works at Stanford - will likely be dismissed as insular, ignorant, and transparently self-serving and parochial.

Because, you know, based on how the USA has been behaving so far that would probably be a good bet.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 14 2020 0:01 utc | 54

So we believe that the only reason more people don't have the virus is due to them not coming in contact with it? Is that right? It seems right since we are told that it looks like there is no lasting immunity to this virus. If that is true then why did EVERY person on those cruise ships not get it? Remember those? Also, I have an adopted Sudanese son who works in a slaughterhouse for JBS. I sent he and his friends a big box containing bottles of 1000mg of vitamin C and containers of 4000iu of
Vitamin D3. They already eat lots of greens. Anyway, in April at his plant 687 workers tested positive. Since then there are more and the company mandates that they return to work after 7 days. NOT ONE of the guys that is doing the vitamin regime has gotten sick. Now they may have had it with no symptoms but if so they did not know it. There must be immunity otherwise we will all get it again and again and it will be the end of humanity.

Posted by: Linda Amick | Jul 14 2020 0:02 utc | 55

@Bevin 48 "gepa@39 Congratulations on being the last man on earth to claim that Hydroxychloroquine is a treatment for Covid. Not even Trump or Bolsonaro are still making that claim."

Ah...HPQ kind of works

Which brings me to another aspect of what went wrong: too much emphasis on big pharmacy making a bundle on some new drug or vaccine vs already available, relatively cheap and effective treatments.

Posted by: Lysander | Jul 14 2020 0:06 utc | 56

gepay @Jul13 21:36 39

Your complaining about b's coverage is mostly bogus.

...Scientists have devised a way to use the antibody-rich blood plasma of COVID-19 survivors for an upper-arm injection that they say could inoculate people against the virus for months.

This treatment is already known and was discovered in China at end of Feb/early March and was applied in NYC.

This is not a medical site so I wouldn't expect comprehensive coverage of all treatments here.

=
Why Everyone Was Wrong. It is Not a “New Virus”. “The Fairy Tale of No Immunity”

We can't deal with every crackpot idea.

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Campaign against Hydroxychloroquine treatment

The truth about HCQ is gradually coming out.

Not sure I blame b for betting his blog on HCQ.

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Moon has never mentioned that children under 10 have none to very few serious infection do mot readily transmit the disease.

In the Week-in-Review (the post just prior to the current post), b provided a link to a podcast that talked about opening schools. They discussed the apparent immunity and inability of young children to pass on the virus.

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That many knowledgeable people say we already have some immunity from the other 4 coronaviruses that cause colds every year.

A repeat of a crackpot idea. The scientists seem to understand why some people are more susceptible than others. It has to do with commodities and gene expression.

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that one can test positive when one has conquered the disease ...The rt PCR test is ... basically useless for quantitative analysis.... the protocol used to treat (too early use of ventilators and strong antivirals with serious side effects on people with already compromised health) themselves caused death.

You are trying desperately to make a case. But you fail to note that the virus has numerous bad effects (not just death from Covid-19): long-term lung damage, lingering effects that might develop into chronic fatique syndrome (half of all SARS patients that recovered had CFS); and risk that the virus may mutate into something more deadly.

covid exaggeration for the use of the national surveillance state

It's not clear if that concern has any validity. What is much more clear is that USA government's inept response has been used to bail out Wall Street and Boeing and to support Big Pharma looting.

Yes I would gladly trade a year of life for my already dying grandmother for not giving a lifetime malnutrion defect to millions of children.

This manipulative strawman bullshit shows why your opinion can not be trusted. I hope the Big Pharma checks are worth the disgrace.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 14 2020 0:12 utc | 57

it is funny how new trolls call “b” moon.. no one refer to “b” as moon except new trolls

as for resident sinophobic troll who kept parroting pompeo’s anti china fantasy (450.org) , please b just block him , he is constantly flooding the comment section with pompeo’s nonsense..

Posted by: milomilo | Jul 14 2020 0:26 utc | 58

I'd like to post here an excerpt from an article by Dr. Josh Mitteldorf. I will post the link to the complete article below:

"Many of us are still shell-shocked by the changes in our lives that have been imposed this spring. We’re reacting to each unexpected event as it comes. But to anyone who has stepped back to make sense of this web of contradictory messages that pour out of our news feeds, it is clear that the government agencies and corporate news media are slanting their message toward fear. I am particularly concerned when they do this at the expense of honesty. This is a moment for the scientific community to be engaging in spirited dialog among diverse voices. Only with open debate can we hope to shed light to guide the momentous public policy decisions that are being made, directing our culture and global economy into unexplored territory. But instead of robust debate, what I see is a monolithic message, and censorship of the few brave scientists who dissent from that message. I’m ashamed to say that the scientific community has been part of the problem.

I’m writing here about two issues:
(1) Numbers reported by CDC have been gamed to make it appear that America is in the second wave of a pandemic. Instead of reporting COVID deaths, they began reported COVID cases. Then they conflated recovered individuals (who test positive for antibodies) with current cases (who test positive for the active virus). No wonder numbers are rising!
(2) A new report featured prominently in Nature purports to show that lockdowns have stemmed the spread of the virus and have saved lives. The article is by the same team whose flawed models produced apocalyptic predictions last March that justified lockdowns in Europe and the US. The new computer model assumes from the start that the number of COVID deaths would have expanded exponentially from their March levels, and that social distancing is
the only factor responsible for lower death rates. That is, it assumes exactly what it purports to prove. Where is accountability? Why is this perspective promoted in the world’s most prestigious journal, while reasonable doubts are swept aside?"

Here is a link to the complete article:

https://epidemiologyexplained.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Political-Influence.pdf

Posted by: R.A. | Jul 14 2020 0:28 utc | 59

@11 said:

"I just wish B would stop talking about this topic. I am sick of it.

He needs to concentrate on topics focused on politics, topics of geostrategic importance and interesting stories."

If we like it or not "this topic" actually IS of geostrategic importance. How many countries have to go bankrupt or become failed states to become interesting? History is being made in real time.
From a newsworthy perspective the virus is the only story in town. If it bleeds it leads.

Posted by: Paul | Jul 14 2020 0:52 utc | 60

Trump was touting 15-minute tests as a "game-changer" back in early May.

USA was slow to respond to the developing pandemic (despite providing early warnings to Congressmen and others) ...

Then they gave poor/misleading guidance on things like masks ...

Then they were slow to implement technology and procedures that would pro-actively fight the virus ...

Then they opened things up too early.

At what point do we recognize that USA and UK never wanted to fight the virus? Early on, Trump tried to minimize the virus and BoJo talked of "taking it on the chin".

Now the USA and UK establishment they have enlisted neoliberal cut-outs to campaign for herd immunity. 'Herd immunity' protects the wealthy and powerful by getting the poor sick first - and kills old and minorities that the neoliberal-minded wealthy and powerful see as a burden.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 14 2020 1:04 utc | 61

Posted by: snake | Jul 13 2020 19:20 utc | 6 Turn off 5 g and other electromagnet and optiomagnetic sources of radiation to see the virus infections dissipate.

For which you have still not provided one link to real evidence showing a *direct* connection between *any* 5G apparatus and *any* clinical case of viral infection or *any* experimental equivalent. It's *all speculation* with zero scientific evidence and is rejected by every expert official body of scientists tasked with precisely that sort of issue.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 1:19 utc | 62

Posted by: lizard | Jul 13 2020 19:56 utc | 17 this proves nothing

So why the hell are you posting it? This sort of business back-and-forth goes on in every industry. People who run corporations are corrupt incompetent idiots who are mostly controlled by their lawyers whose only job is to mess up business deals (as Robert Ringer once pointed out). What else is new?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 1:25 utc | 63

Posted by: gepay | Jul 13 2020 23:07 utc | 45 John P A Ioannidis of Stanford University

Debunked many times by almost everyone...

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 1:33 utc | 64

Posted by: milomilo | Jul 14 2020 0:26 utc | 57 it is funny how new trolls call “b” moon.. no one refer to “b” as moon except new trolls

Good point, I hadn't noticed that.

There definitely seems to be a horde of people who seem to do nothing but search for articles on the negative effects of the pandemic and then rush to those sites or Twitter to denounce the authors of those articles and spew various conspiracy theories and junk science. Some of these people are even "recognized" scientists like Ioannidis and this other idiot physicist Rancourt whose views are cherry-picked by the conspiracy theorists.

Whether these people are being paid to do so by someone or whether they're simply obsessed with the cognitive dissonance of being unable to deal with the reality of the pandemic and resulting economic problems is unclear to me. Probably it's both, and it's just the percentage of either that's in question.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 1:42 utc | 65

450.org | Jul 13 2020 19:22 utc | 7:

If you're so concerned on overpopulation, you may start the depopulation process with yourself. Lead the way. Don't forget to live stream it.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jul 14 2020 2:00 utc | 66

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 14 2020 1:04 utc | 60 Now the USA and UK establishment they have enlisted neoliberal cut-outs to campaign for herd immunity. 'Herd immunity' protects the wealthy and powerful by getting the poor sick first - and kills old and minorities that the neoliberal-minded wealthy and powerful see as a burden.

Indeed. Excellent point. It all boils down to the same old story: people - especially rich people and people in power - don't give a rat's ass for anyone else but themselves (and a few people they care about because those people *directly* benefit them in personal or economic terms.) This is built in to human beings. It's called "primate hierarchical relations." And it ain't going away no matter how many times we exhort the world to "come together" like a Beatles tune and sing kumbayah.

To quote Percival Rose yet again: "That ain't gonna happen."

So the question becomes: How does one *deal* with a civilization in this state of dysfunction? The question answers itself. You *deal* with it. You don't try to change it because it can't be changed short of the impact of new technology or a civilization-wide disaster (which is unlikely to occur, climate-change not withstanding.) Various *aspects* of the civilization *might* change for the better or worse for various segments of the society. But the fundamental relations of human beings aren't going to change because they are genetic and evolutionary.

So the focus of any particular individual should be on what can *they* do to cope with the fundamental irrationality of their "fellow man".

Which isn't to say that an individual can't take advantage of those with the money and power in order to *deal* with the situation. In short, to quote from the book "Enemies of Society":


Individualist anarchists/conscious egoists preach no holy war against the State because they're reflective enough to admit that they know of no way to get rid
of the State - and that the problems of the State and organized Society may, in fact, be intrinsically insoluble. If all political rule rests ultimately on the
consent of the subject masses - and is cemented upon Society by the laziness, cowardice, and stupidity of those same masses - then when the cataclysmic crises
looming on the planetary horizon (such as environmental and economic meltdown) begin to occur, the masses will probably call for a new Caesar or Hitler (as
they always do) to rescue them from the system-failure that traditional political forms are no longer capable of addressing. Fear, bolstered by the
insidious throes of habit, is the mainspring of the Herd's every thought and action and even in the most opportune historical moments they have failed to
establish anything approx imati ng self-determination. This is just one of many flaws in the entire set of assumptions regarding authoritarian culture:
Master-slave dynamics are a complex relationship between the governors and the governed, a mutually·reinforcing feedback loop between the legislators and the
servile multitudes, inextricably bound together in an ancient and familiar holding pattern.

Taking this all into account, conscious egoists have no firm position on insurrection and retain tactical flexibility in the face of the realities of
power, weighing the long and short run benefits of various forms of rebellion against the risks and costs, individually. If they lack the strength in the
moment to overthrow those forces that claim authority and/or demand compliance, they will evade them the best way they know how, put up with that part of it
which is unavoidable, assert their sovereignty as often as they can, pursue liberation in realms other than the political, continually engage in cultural
de-conditioning, and when all else fails take refuge in what James Joyce described as "silence, exile, and cunning". Their egoistic victories come not in
the form of revolutionary martyrdom, but in the successful creation of free lives, and at times, free culture.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 2:00 utc | 67

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canadian-company-developing-palm-sized-test-to-detect-covid-19-in-20-minutes-1.4966724

as the article says, a few of these quick tests are being developed but red tape might keep them off the (canadian) market for a year. after that who knows since the people running customs and import operations on both sides are fascist chimps.

as for the "lockdowns kill more than the virus" wank, i think i mentioned in the past that it's based on one study where the deaths were indirectly caused by unemployment but directly caused by suicide and heart attacks. funny how most of the people making this idiotic argument are unstable, doughy, steak eating and sedentary fat-asses (many with at least one gun in the house). maybe they know their personal mental and physical limits and assume their lack of planning is our emergency.

Posted by: the pair | Jul 14 2020 2:12 utc | 68

Just as predicted by virtually everyone as a result of re-opening too soon...back in lockdown...

California Governor Closes Indoor Dining Statewide, and Salons, Gyms in 30 Counties as Cases Surge

No doubt this will be repeated in other states that re-opened too soon.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 2:37 utc | 69

LAUSD Campuses To Remain Closed in Fall, Despite Trump Push to Reopen


The decision comes days after the union representing the district's teachers announced results of a poll showing that 83% of instructors opposed returning to in-person classes.

Teachers don't want to die. Big surprise.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 2:40 utc | 70

Fauci is sidelined by the White House as he steps up blunt talk on pandemic

Once again, if you argue with Trump, you're doomed. Expect Fauci to be fired by election day, if not sooner. Fauci may have screwed up early on and he's rightly condemned for that, but he's telling the truth now - things are going bad and Trump is to blame for a lack of administration response.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 2:45 utc | 71

What the Heck Is Going On in Florida? Part 2
We saw it coming


Meanwhile, Florida’s Disney World, home to the increasingly fraught NBA “bubble,” reopened on Saturday. (In contrast, Hong Kong Disneyland, which reopened June 18, has just announced it is re-closing on July 15 due to a rise in cases.) DeSantis maintains that schools in the state “absolutely can” and will reopen for five days a week next month, regardless of research increasingly showing that children can spread the coronavirus. Unlike many other state governors, DeSantis has not made mask-wearing mandatory and has asked local authorities to come up with their own masking rules. The Republican National Convention is still on track to take place in Jacksonville next month, even though a surge of positive cases in Tulsa was tied to President Trump’s rally there in June.

Good - the Republican Convention will end up killing a bunch of Trump supporters. Well done, Governor Santis! LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 2:50 utc | 72

thanks b.... reading the comment section here is a bit insane.. i took a break today, until about 20 minutes ago.. glad i did... i find the complainers a fascinating bunch.. they complain, and yet they come back again and again to say they are thru with coming here.... great! stay away.. it seems you are unable to though!

good to know all these places have reached 'herd immunity'... i wish the whole world revolved around the usa, like some posters here in the usa like to think it does... fortunately for the rest of us, it doesn't.... jesus..

Posted by: james | Jul 14 2020 5:28 utc | 73

@450.org

Yes, and America needs to reduce its population to a more manageable 10 million, or 5 million, or even 1 million, so we can finally corral these idiots into pounds and prevent them from infecting the world with their incompetence and covidiocy.

Posted by: Cycloben | Jul 14 2020 6:09 utc | 74

@70,

Here's hoping Drumpf gets a second term. 4 more years of this kind of covidiocy will end the empire for good.

Posted by: Cycloben | Jul 14 2020 6:12 utc | 75

Thank you B.

The covidiots that regularly whine and complain that the virus is a "hoax" or "no more than a cold" are mostly american idiots that have watched too many hollywood movies and too much US MSM news with their so-called "politicians" (who, buy the way, have zero thinking skills) constantly lying about anything and everything. These people will keep arguing that it's "not real" even if they themselves are dying from Covid-19 and are on their death bed - and their compatriots will, upon their co-covidiot's demise, declare that news of the person dying is "fake news". These people are cognitively broken and collectively on a river in Egypt.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 14 2020 6:12 utc | 76

@60,

Looks like the 1% will get their wish. All the "pension-eaters" and "welfare-getters" will finally be replaced by robots.

It's a neolib and neocon's dream fascist world.

Posted by: Cycloben | Jul 14 2020 6:17 utc | 77

@78,

Nah. These "politicians" will not die. They have the best healthcare taxpayers can buy. They will continue to kill with impunity.

Posted by: Cycloben | Jul 14 2020 7:07 utc | 78

@vk

Most of the foreign students in the USA are sons and daughters of the regional elites.

Will you ever get a single fact right? The annual enrollment of Ivy League students is about 100k and 16% is the average for international students. 16000 places.

That leaves about 250000 going to non-elite colleges, and they are drawn overwhelmingly from the aspirational middle class of their host nation. For the last 10 years I hage educated and prepared such SE Asian students for this trip, and sure enough, none are from the elite.

Lastly, those destined for the elite universities are, naturally, least likely to abandon their plans. It will be second-tier universities hit hardest.

Keep on getting it wrong, vk.

Posted by: Sopo | Jul 14 2020 7:08 utc | 79

Bevin and RSH

Seem to have become shills for big pharma despite claiming to be a socialist and an anarchist. They both seem to deem the inexpensive drug Hydroxycloroquine as ineffective and diss anyone one who champions it, despite the evidence it works when used properly and does not have the side effects b misattributed to it in an earlier article. The fact is that it is being used properly and effectively in many countries including the one I am living in, Turkey. The fact is that scientific articles demonizing the drug have been retracted by scientific journals like the Lancet for inexplicitly sloppy investigation. This has been discussed on this site earlier as well, so Bevin, Richard what is your problem here.

There seem to be two classes of covididiots or morons - those that think Sars-cov-2 is a hoax, and those that condemn the use of any cheap effective drug not approved by Big Pharma, despite its proven, if limited, effectiveness. Worse, this seems to be based not on facts but Trump derangement syndrome. Trump made the claim that hydroxychloroquine was effective, so therefore, it must not be effective.

I have a great deal of respect for most of what Bevin and Mr. Hack write, but I would like to see them apply some critical thought and realize that just because something emerges from Trump's mouth, it isn't necessarily wrong. I suspect b could do with some critical thought as well at times.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 14 2020 7:08 utc | 80

England will make wearing masks in shops compulsory on Friday, from what I hear !
———-
Where has all this troll confusion come from ?
Using the term ‘ VIRUS ‘ in its broader definition. We have three not on. Clinical virus. Political/capatlist greed as a contagious virus.
And ‘computer virus’ !!!
Ask ourselves... where do these doubters come from ? What web sites do they follow to reinforce their delusional thinking ?
In three words ——— Israeli lobby groups. (And their web sites)

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 14 2020 7:21 utc | 81

@75,

Lol, "herd immunity". That would mean more than 60% of the people are infected, which did not happen even in NYC, the epicenter of Covid-19 in the past few months.

Hard data is difficult to come by, but I read somewhere(might be MoA) that less than 10% of New Yorkers got Covid-19, much less than "herd immunity".

With thinking (or lack thereof) like these, no wonder America has 50k+ cases a day. So do the world a favor and stay away.

Posted by: Cycloben | Jul 14 2020 7:49 utc | 82

@79,

Good to know the elites will still send their hostages. Gotta get that Harvard degree.

Posted by: Cycloben | Jul 14 2020 7:59 utc | 83

Subsistence agriculture might be great in hollywood movies and the garden of eden, but not so good in places where there can be drought, floods, frosts and hail, plant diseases that can wipe out a crop. A lot of work digging enough ground to plant grain then you've also got to barter some produce to buy a hoe and other tools. Globalism in food smooths out the ups and downs in farming. But then transport is required...
Subsistence farming has turned huge amounts of country in various parts of the world to deserts. The loess hills of China is a good example. Stripped clean over a thousand years ago. Now with money China makes from international trade it is reclaiming those hills, not to mention planting down the sands of the encroaching Gobi desert.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 14 2020 8:17 utc | 84

Some covidiots have claimed that "Lockdowns kill people!"

Covidiots like these people .......

On the one hand, the disease mainly affects vulnerable or marginalised people living in poverty. Lockdowns only make it harder for them to access health care services, she explained.

On the other hand, many hospital units that provided services around TB are now being turned into COVID-19 units, and people have very few places left to go to for TB diagnosis and treatment.

https://www.euronews.com/amp/2020/05/07/millions-at-risk-of-tuberculosis-amid-covid-19-lockdowns-warns-study

Although the COVID-19 related causes of starvation—such as lockdown measures and travel restrictions—are necessary to prevent the spread of the virus, the report notes that there are enough funds globally to address starvation

https://time.com/5864803/oxfam-hunger-covid-19/?amp=true

As I’ve said before there is a huge cost to the lockdowns which is being ignored.

Posted by: Down South | Jul 14 2020 9:08 utc | 85

Richard Steven Hack | Jul 14 2020 2:45 utc | 71

Fauci and Donny boy are at loggerheads about introducing Gates' Vaccines. Fauci "Foundation" signed a "partnership" with Bill Gates' Foundation" for about $100 million (I think).

There are other connections Fauci/Gates, but I don't think that the welfare of ordinary citizens are part of their calculations.
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Unwanted side effect of the demonization of Hydroxychloroquine is that some people are starting to worry about a resurgence of Malaria !

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 14 2020 9:08 utc | 86

Peter Au1 84
And yet !
10 % of the world population own 90% of the land.
I was brought up on a farm, there has always been good sustainable farming practice, and greedy exploiteative farming practice. The latter being very short term gain long term degradation.
That’s a lesson learned and and now aparently forgotten !
We can transpose that lesson on to our present day global economy, our western capitalist present day politics.
Not least the present coronavirus miss-management !
Short term gain long term loss.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 14 2020 9:18 utc | 87

Come to think of it, your example of Norway to show that deaths have decreased during the lockdown is absolutely worthless. How many countries have Norway’s social welfare system ???

Let’s take a country like India which doesn’t have Norway’s social welfare system.

We will never know how many people died of starvation, because no state government will admit to starvation deaths
https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/p-chidambaram-india-coronavirus-lockdown-migrants-hunger-6390882/lite/

Posted by: Down South | Jul 14 2020 9:29 utc | 88

@blue dotterel, Jul 14, 7:08

Trump made the claim after he received this letter from Dr Vladimir Zelenko - http://archive.is/iBZFZ

Regarding the Raoult treatment protocol, this is feedback from Morocco https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2020/06/306587/moroccan-scientist-moroccos-chloroquine-success-reveals-european-failures/

Posted by: cirsium | Jul 14 2020 9:33 utc | 89

Posted by: cirsium | Jul 14 2020 9:33 utc | 89

Yes, this was also found successful in Turkey months ago and I posted links to that effect in previous b post comments, but apparently, some people cannot accept that Trump can even repeat something that someone has told him, that happens to be correct without automatically denouncing it. These are nincompoops afficted with Trump derangement syndrome.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 14 2020 9:50 utc | 90

Blue Dotterel @ 90
That is becouse Trump has zero credabilty, zero believability !
Not a criticism of us but a reflection of his mind numbing ignorance and brutish distrutivity.
I wouldn’t beleave him if he told me he was lying !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 14 2020 9:58 utc | 91

What's needed is a reliable home ANTIBODY test. The antigen test is only useful for those who are either infected or recently infected. It does not screen those who were infected but are now immune and not likely to carry the disease.

Posted by: Cornelius Pipe | Jul 14 2020 10:06 utc | 92

Mark2 87

In black and white augments, babies are thrown out with the bath water. I have seen droughts where land becomes unproductive. I have seen rape of the land, in an arid area and also seen those that engage best practices as to sustainable farming. There are many climatic and other vagaries in farming when looking at at it on a world wide basis. Long before yankistan, many countries and regions suffered famine.
But the majority of your argument I agree with Mark.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 14 2020 10:52 utc | 93

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 14 2020 9:58 utc | 91

Yes, he has zero credibility, but that is not an excuse for reasonably educated people to not critically consider the issue. I wouldn't expect anyone to advocate swallowing a spoon of bleach, but hydroxychoroquine is a recognized drug already successfully used by lupus and malaria patients without significant side effects. That people here are are still referring to it as dangerous and useless for Covid 19 patients, despite evidence to the contrary is sad.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 14 2020 10:55 utc | 94

@Blue Dotterel

There is a lot of money to be made for whomever comes up with the first Covid vaccine. Therefore, any medication that will disrupt the potentially vast profits will be denigrated.

Turns out the Gates Foundation has been sponsoring research into a Coronavirus vaccine because Gates foresaw one day a Coronavirus epidemic :)

Arguably, no one has been more active in promoting and funding research on vaccines aimed at dealing with coronavirus than Bill Gates and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. From sponsoring a simulation of a coronavirus global pandemic, just weeks before the Wuhan outbreak was announced, to funding numerous corporate efforts to come up with a novel vaccine for the apparently novel virus, the Gates presence is there.

https://m.journal-neo.org/2020/03/18/coronavirus-and-the-gates-foundation/

Operation Warp Speed is also worth a read
https://m.journal-neo.org/2020/05/18/the-warp-speed-push-for-coronavirus-vaccines/

Posted by: Down South | Jul 14 2020 11:10 utc | 95

Blue Dotterel @80

I think it should be obvious that neither bevin nor Richard Steven Hack are astroturfing for Big Pharma. Where low cost preventative treatments are concerned, hydroxycloroquine in particular, their skepticism is easily explainable and/or justified.

For bevin's part, the poster is Brazilian, I believe. Hydroxycloroquine is the magic cure proposed by that country's genuinely and for real fascist leader. While it is fun to needle neolibs with Trump Derangement Syndrome for going over the top and claiming Trump is a scary fascist, Bolsonaro is the real deal. As opposed to some weak Americans getting PTSD from Trump's "microaggressions" and taunting tweets, Brazilians are threatened for real by Bolsonaro's death squads, even if Bolsonaro has not (yet?) been able to unleash those death squads to the degree that he would prefer. Outright rejecting everything Bolsonaro claims is not to be unexpected, even if that fascist happens to accidentally get one particular thing correct.

As for Richard Steven Hack being skeptical of hydroxycloroquine, the studies showing that it is not an effective cure are hard to ignore and the ones investigating its use as a prophylactic are almost all (deliberately?) flawed and inconclusive. The fact that nobody seems to be able to do a properly controlled study of hydroxycloroquine's use as part of a measure to prevent the disease is baffling and frustrating, but that is where we are at right now so skepticism isn't wrong.

I'll continue to wash down my zinc sulfate with quinine water, though. At the very least I will be unlikely to catch herpes, get a cold, or come down with malaria.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 14 2020 11:12 utc | 96

Thanks PeterAU1 @ 93
We agree. I Also have much respect for your diligent work and research on the covid topic.
I can only add to your view on sustainable farming topic. By saying imagine if all the money spent on war had been spent on sustainable farming and its research and technologies.
Yes I know I’m a dreamer but...
The above is not off topic, it’s that same sustainable mind set that would solve the insamountable problem of covid.
Both the above points reinforced with hindsight applied to for-sight.
Que—- John Lennon ‘imagine’
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Blue Dotterel @ 94
There is more that unites us than devides us. Hydroxy/ zinc early stage being a case in point.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 14 2020 11:30 utc | 97

William Gruff

I tend to look at China and Russia as they seem more concerned about their people. Early off the shelf medicines in China, according to the Jack Mar handbook, they would use a couple of others and if they didn't work they would use chloroquine
I think both Russia and China now have antivirals that are more effective than chloroquine. The SARS COV bug seems to hit people with heart issues and the quinine type anti malaria drugs cannot be used.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 14 2020 11:33 utc | 98

"A plague state."

Squirrel tests positive for the bubonic plague in Colorado
Symptoms of plague include sudden high fever, chills, headache, and nausea.

Posted by: b | Jul 14 2020 11:48 utc | 99

Peter AU1 @98

I agree. The middle of dealing with a crisis isn't the most appropriate time to be assembling carefully designed double blind studies. In the years to come researchers will be able to pore through the historical data and reach solid conclusions about various treatments without the need of the double blind tests, but right now it is tough to say in the US due to the confused and haphazard response. At this point it is almost as if each hospital in the US is on its own, with little effort at coordination or collection and sharing of data.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 14 2020 11:55 utc | 100

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