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June 28, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-51

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Prof Francois Balloux @BallouxFrancois - 20:26 UTC · Jun 27, 2020
Newspaper headlines from the the 1918/19 influenza pandemic. A furious debate about masks raged throughout the 1918/19 winter in San Francisco, with arguments essentially indistinguishable from those populating my Twitter feed
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> The New York Times publication that Russia allegedly offered secretly bounties to Afghan militants for killing coalition forces was fabricated by the US intelligence agencies, Russia’s Foreign Ministry told TASS on Saturday.
The Russian Foreign Ministry pointed to US intelligence agencies’ involvement in Afghan drug trafficking.

"Should we speak about facts - moreover, well-known [facts], it has not long been a secret in Afghanistan that members of the US intelligence community are involved in drug trafficking, cash payments to militants for letting transport convoys pass through, kickbacks from contracts implementing various projects paid by American taxpayers. The list of their actions can be continued if you want," the ministry said.
"We can understand their feelings as they do not want to be deprived of the above mentioned sources of the off-the-books income," the ministry stressed. <

Office of the DNI @ODNIgov - 3:19 UTC · 28 Jun 2020
Statement by DNI Ratcliffe: "I have confirmed that neither the President nor the Vice President were ever briefed on any intelligence alleged by the New York Times in its reporting yesterday." (1/2)
"The White House statement addressing this issue earlier today, which denied such a briefing occurred, was accurate. The New York Times reporting, and all other subsequent news reports about such an alleged briefing are inaccurate.” (2/2)

Other issues:


The mortality rate of hospitalized Covid-19 patients is declining in Italy as well as in England. The reasons are unknown. My hunch is that by now doctors have learned much more about the disease's progression (cytokine storm, blood clotting) and how to manage it. The case load in both countries has also declined leaving more time for individual cases. This is really good news. The chances to find a good vaccine are not great. This makes good disease management and the right mix of medications for all the problems the virus causes even more important. An example is this man who endured more than two months of ventilation and survived!

SARS-CoV-2 timeline:

This well conducted study from Italy on old sewage samples found that SARS-CoV-2 was in Italy as early as December 18. In contrast this not peer reviewed study from Spain claims that SARS-CoV-2 has been found in March 2019 sewage samples from Barcelona. Several media have picked up on that. It contradicts the analysis of sequenced virus genomes which say that the virus jumped onto humans only in November 2019. There is only one sample in the study that shows partial virus debris and it is not even specific for SARS-CoV-2. I therefore agree with this comment:

Alan McNally @alanmcn1 - 22:14 UTC · Jun 26, 2020
They are using a PCR target shown to have Toss of a coin specificity and their amplifications are right on borderline. This is another example of importance of peer review I am afraid. This is not true!

Pandemic consequences:

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Posted by b on June 28, 2020 at 12:50 UTC | Permalink

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Me too, I was being a bit sarcastic but my main premise still stands. Gun Toting citizens go hand in hand with a gun toting country.
And the excuses are very similar even though the real reasons are different.

Posted by: arby | Jul 2 2020 20:19 utc | 401

The real reason for a gun toting country is the same as the gun toting Mafia.
The real reason for the gun toting citizen is mostly imaginary
helped along with a lot of lies and scare tactics.

Both justified the same way.

This is why they keep electing war hawks. What else could be the reason? How else could guys like Bolton, Pompeo, Rubio ,Mcain etc., etc., keep getting elected. Can't just be that they are well financed

Posted by: arby | Jul 2 2020 20:30 utc | 402

Not all of those names are elected but they are put in positions of power by war hawks who are elected over and over and over.

Posted by: arby | Jul 2 2020 20:34 utc | 403

arby @ above
I should have said I’m with arby and CitizenX.
Kudos to you and all your posts. It’s the push back !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 2 2020 21:25 utc | 404

arby @401-3--

For European Colonists wherever they landed, guns were very useful tools for obtaining meat to eat and land to exploit. Local contexts made for differing outcomes between the several Settler Nations and the current one being attempted in Palestine. Regarding the rise of organized crime, I very much suggest you take the time to read this rather short History of Policing in the USA, particularly the second half of part 2. Here's a good article about the history pertaining to the Stand Your Ground Doctrine that also delves into its impact on Geopolitics. The differences in Imperial Styles between the British and Outlaw US Empires can be attributed to the differing legal doctrines--the British are more sneaky, employing subterfuge more often than overt brute force while the Opposite's true of the Outlaw US Empire--the article's "Won't back down" example says lots.

When all that's added together, why social behavior within the Outlaw US Empire becomes understandable despite its abhorrence; and given its history and lore, it'll take many decades to evolve into something civilized.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2020 21:37 utc | 405

@ 398 peter au.. that is a shocking story and disturbing for all that it says.. change is slow, but it is made even slower by so many people's ignorance of basic stuff, like what you outline.. thanks for sharing that..

Posted by: james | Jul 2 2020 22:21 utc | 406

@405 "For European Colonists wherever they landed, guns were very useful tools for obtaining meat to eat and land to exploit."

Yes that is how it worked. The Europeans arrive with their big ships and powerful weapons. It was the same everywhere, Mexico, Africa, India, New England. Local tribes were impressed with the new technology and they joined the newcomers in attacking the dominant tribes.

Posted by: dh | Jul 2 2020 22:32 utc | 407

Every month since March we read an article saying that it would work well to keep an eye on sewage waters.
Is it that the EU-sponsored privatization of the water systems does not allow it in full transparency?

Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2020 6:48 utc | 408

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