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June 21, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-49

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> Prime Minister Narendra Modi categorically said on Friday that neither has anyone entered Indian territory, nor is anyone present in Indian territory currently, and nor is any Indian post captured.
“Neither has anyone entered our territory, nor is anyone still there, nor is any of our posts under anyone’s capture. In Ladakh, our 20 jawans got martyred. But they taught a lesson to those who were eyeing Indian territory,” he said at an all-party meeting called to discuss the India-China border situation. <
> At a campaign rally in Tulsa Oklahoma, Trump said Saturday he has told his administration to slow down virus testing. He said the United States has tested 25 million people, but the “bad part” is that it found more cases.

“When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases,” Trump said. “So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’″ <

Other issues:

The Racist Origins of Silicon Valley - Yasha Levine
The History of the “Riot” Report - New Yorker
Foreign Affairs: Unrest continues for a seventh day in former British colony - Thai Inquirer

Majority for Dementia:

Biden leads Trump by 11 points nationally: poll - The Hill
Poll: 55% Believe That Biden Potentially Has ‘Early Stages Of Dementia’ - Daily Wire

Interesting toy:

Peresvet: a Russian mobile laser system to dazzle enemy satellites - Space Review


Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on June 21, 2020 at 14:02 UTC | Permalink

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today we celebrate the quaint notion that something called a "father" exists and is a beneficial thing for its progeny. the idea of having a "father" will soon be eliminated from the human experience as we move toward the transhumanist future our sociopathic rulers have been planning for us.

Posted by: lizard | Jun 21 2020 14:16 utc | 1

Lizard has forgotten that somewhere deep within the mass of governed exist humanity. Oppressed and mislead Humanity has a way of rising to the challenge of independence and democracy no matter the odds. I think the governed of the world are fast moving toward a new kind of government, a global government that does not tell the governed what it must do, a government that has a court system that monitors persons in power and convicts and punishes them when the governors use their power or position to deceive or infringe human rights. People are tired of being told when they must do whatever, when they must join a military and learn a fighting skill so they can go kill someone in a foreign land they never met, cannot speak their language and cannot understand their culture, just so some corporation and its oligarch owner can make a few bucks.

The new world government I see is one that responds to the collective will of the masses and punishes all who abuse any power, that detracts from the quality of live of anyone. .

Never before have the tools (internet) been in place for the governed in the entire world, irrespective of their individual languages, individual cultures, individual religions, individual educations and their individual experiences within the named nation state that has top down controlled their lives and dictated their every goal from birth to death, been so collectively together. Most have come accustomed to being bombed on, shot at, imprisoned, fined and had their lives destroyed by the leaders who have maintained the reins of power by and through the top down highly dictatorial nation state system. The coming new world i think will see no top down authoritarian leadership, the governed are going to dictate to those they appoint to run the government, and the government will serve only those it governs. Never again will the governed allow the corporations or other entities and organizations and oligarchs to be in charge or to govern by a proxy managed government. Government in nation state form is over. its had it. the clash between those with power and the collective power of humanity is about to begin?

I see this coming.. it may a week, a month, a century but I believe humanity has had enough of being manipulated by the governments it is born into.

Posted by: snake | Jun 21 2020 14:41 utc | 2

re: Majority for Dementia
It's not dementia, it's just Biden being Biden. . .from the files: "He is a buffoon and a bumbler. His list of gaffes is becoming legendary.". . .here, Sep 28, 2008

It's a function of the fact that only two political parties are allowed to function so we get a choice between two buffoons (at every level). Where other countries have half a dozen parties and more choices., the US is often stuck with two look-alikes. Ralph Nader wrote a book about the difficulties he had -- "Crashing the Party." It's another example of a lack of democracy in a "democratic" (not) country.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2020 14:53 utc | 3

Well, I despised my father.

Speaking of despised individuals...

So Trump wants less testing for the virus. I mean, how blatant can that asshat get? I supposed now we'll have all the trolls coming in to say Trump is right, the only reason we have a pandemic is because we're testing people. That isn't any more moronic than the stuff they've been saying here so far.

As for the other "despised individual", Biden is likely to win the election despite being brain-dead. After all, how much more brain-dead can he be than Trump?

Meanwhile, if you don't want to be ruled by an authoritarian government...well, what exactly are you doing about it? Besides bitching in the comments here, that is.

"Humanity will rise to the occasion"... Good luck with that. Next you'll be telling us about the Tooth Fairy leaving a stimulus check under your pillow. Some humanity may rise to the occasion...but it won't be those bitching on the Internet.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2020 14:57 utc | 4

Bravo Snake ‘ @ 2
That’s ‘it’ that’s the way forward.
I agree we’re right there now, on the cusp.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2020 15:31 utc | 5

" I see this coming.. it may a week, a month, a century but I believe humanity has had enough of being manipulated by the governments it is born into. "

This makes no sense. The people in your hypothetical world will just be born into the new world government , which they had no part in choosing. A government which will be even easier to infiltrate buy the controllers then the current systems. The answer is more governments, more nations, and more distinct ideas. Not a an all powerful monolithic control grid.

Posted by: Fog of War | Jun 21 2020 15:46 utc | 6

Re Peresvet. Some random thoughts.
- Laser technology moved beyond my knowledge/understanding when I realised that physical lenses have a finite melting-point which, in theory, would limit the temperature of a focused laser beam.
- I couldn't help noticing that the trailer on which Peresvet is mounted has 5 axles. The only thing I can imagine which would be heavy enough to need 5 axles is a huge magnet or array of magnets. We know it's not a power-supply because the article says that another vehicle supplies power for the device. The Large Hadron Collider is a very powerful particle accelerator and uses powerful permanent & electro-magnets to accelerate and contain the particles. What if Peresvet is a portable particle accelerator? Protons and/or neutrons would probably pack a much bigger wallop than photons.
- There's a heavy emphasis on PRECISION in the article so my guess is that whether Peresvet is a photon accelerator or a particle accelerator, it's a system designed to focus several intersecting "beams" from widely dispersed transmitters onto a single point in space, and move the point to wherever it's needed, for as long as necessary...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2020 16:26 utc | 7

'Touch In Public'

Posted by: Mao | Jun 21 2020 16:29 utc | 8

Things are hotting up, USA. As the country, its so-called ‘Empire’ of controlled countries, is sinking ... a pick of pop commentators:

“America: An Empire Eating Itself” by T. Cartalucci

Empire has one trick - divide and conquer. When it runs out of territory, nations, and people abroad to consume, it turns inward on itself.

“America’s Own Color Revolution” by W. Engdhal is clear that the protests against police violence led by amorphous organizations with names like Black Lives Matter or Antifa are more than purely spontaneous moral outrage.

“Juneteenth” by J. Kunstler

Historians of the future (…) will marvel that the Democrats back in the woeful year 2020 thought that burning down the country would be a winning election strategy.

snake 2 that was a brave post, I will think about it.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 21 2020 16:37 utc | 9

Add to Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2020 16:26 utc | 7

Peresvet could transmit a laser beam of microwaves, if Russia has found a way to do that. In that case the English translation of Peresvet would be "long-range multi-purpose cooker."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2020 16:40 utc | 10

Things are getting interesting in Egypt re Turkey in Libya

Egypt's President Sisi orders the Egyptian Army on highest alert to be ready for a intervention in Libya

Posted by: DG | Jun 21 2020 16:46 utc | 11

when i can talk to a lizard or snake on this thread - maybe you're right - father is just going to be a thing of the past..

@ 4 rsh... we are very different.. i loved my dad and still do, but he has been gone a very long time... my dad was a gentle soul...

Posted by: james | Jun 21 2020 17:08 utc | 12

the damage of bad/cruel/absent fathers writ large is an anger toward the deranged patriarchal godhead of the old testament and the echoes that deranged god is still having on us.

somehow this anger from love-deprived souls can also lead to a broad hatred of mankind and a turning toward technocrat godhead wannabes who promise...what exactly? a futurist utopia...once a few billion of us are culled from the herd.

Posted by: lizard | Jun 21 2020 17:19 utc | 13

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2020 16:40 utc | 10

Peresvet could transmit a laser beam of microwaves, if Russia has found a way to do that.

Peresvet: pere- = trans-, svet = the light (but it could also mean the world or people, like French le monde)
Peredavat' = To transmit (lit. trans-give)

Posted by: hopehely | Jun 21 2020 17:20 utc | 14

Trump was expecting at least 80,000 at his rally in Oklahoma, only 7000 turned up ! Will the great USA empire fizzle out like a damp squib ? I do hope so.
Less like white supremacy more like an impotent shreveled up ole scrotem for a president.
I wonder how many had trumps bio-warfare virus in the audeance ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2020 17:27 utc | 15

Thank you, b, for directing us to the National Interest story about the South Korean US Embassy incident. Given that we have been considering Putin's essay, I felt it appropriate to read about the ambassador's misdirected quote from the Kennedy speech:

...One can try to discern intent from the ambassador himself, who tweeted about the banner: “I believe in what President JFK said on June 10, 1963 at American University: ‘If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity.’ USA is a free & diverse nation...from that diversity we gain our strength.”

You can be forgiven for thinking that doesn’t quite sound like our thirty-fifth president, John F. Kennedy, who died about twenty-five years before “diversity” (of innate traits, not ideas) became the synonym for virtue among our educational, cultural, and ultimately corporate elite. Indeed, Kennedy was directing his words to Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, hoping to convince the belligerent communist leader that the free world and the communist bloc could coexist peacefully—a diversity of government systems. The speech had nothing to do with race, something that takes about twenty seconds on the internet to confirm.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 21 2020 17:39 utc | 16

Peresvet: pere- = trans-, svet = the light (but it could also mean the world or people, like French le monde)
Peredavat' = To transmit (lit. trans-give)
Posted by: hopehely | Jun 21 2020 17:20 utc | 14

Your "or people" conjured up an echo of "Beam me up, Scotty." But whatever, today your guess is as good as mine :-)

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2020 17:44 utc | 17

I actually read the CNN article just to see a train wreck. I usually skip right over any CNN article that they label as "analysis" or "opinion" because, why waste my time? It is mostly just hand-waving and verbal diarrhea and telling us Putin is bad, with no specifics, of course.

One has to read all the way to the end to find a weak admission that yes, it really was Soviet sacrifices that defeated the Nazis. As for the title, "Putin rewrites World War II history -- and does battle over historical memory", it doesn't really match the actual essay. It's amazing how often this happens on CNN (and other places). Perhaps they assume that almost no one will actually read past the click-bait headline?

Personally, I would be too afraid to "have a beer" with Putin - he is one scary dude. Only a complete fool would ever double-cross him. When he talks, his words reflect reality as I understand it. The world sure could use more of his kind of truth-telling.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 21 2020 18:03 utc | 18

The Bhadrakumar article linked above is quite informative.

1962 India-China war redux? - MK Bhadrakumar / Asia Times

A fairly large contingent of very vocal very hawkish voices were heard from India this past week.

Posted by: jayc | Jun 21 2020 18:09 utc | 19

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2020 17:27 utc | 15

Less like white supremacy more like an impotent shreveled up ole scrotem for a president.

Well I see you dislike white supremacy. That is very good.
What supremacy color is your favorite?

Posted by: hopehely | Jun 21 2020 18:27 utc | 20

Trailer Trash @18--

I'd greatly enjoy sharing some time with President Putin and some tea brewed in one of the Kremlin's magnificent samovars. I'd ask him about his vision for a shared Eurasian space and what changed his views on ecology and the Climate Crisis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 21 2020 18:27 utc | 21

@18 trailer trash.. i'm with karlof1! funny enough - i ordinarily skip over reading cnn, but thought i would check it out to see how they spun it.. they didn't disappoint! same crap 24-7... i can see how a regular diet of that would make me brain dead...

Posted by: james | Jun 21 2020 18:38 utc | 22

Read the entire Putin article. Very good and straight to the point. Didn’t know the full sacrifice the Soviets had made. And then the gall of the American media to downplay all of that. But yet again, their loathing of him isn’t new.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jun 21 2020 18:41 utc | 23

An excerpt from a weird song for weird times...

And I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad.
The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
I find it hard to tell you, I find it hard to take.
When people run in circles it's a very very
Mad world, mad world.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2020 18:45 utc | 24

hopehely | Jun 21 2020 17:20 utc | 14:

I assume the Peresvet system is named after the Russian/Muscovite military hero of that name, though maybe they’re playing on the etymology.

Posted by: David G | Jun 21 2020 18:48 utc | 25

I must say that is an appealing idea, snake@2! And in conjunction with it, I would suggest that with the vastly increased wealth the new central government will obtain, a new home for the present United Nations could best be located at the South Pole, given our planet's increased warming and forging our world state government on a continent that has no previous history of warfare. This would require all nations to give up spurious claims in that vicinity, since only world government would pertain to its borders.

The needs of scientific research to assist planetary health would be uppermost on the agenda, and for some time to come there would have to be huge efforts on behalf of climate friendly structures useful for human habitation. (point of interest: I feel the one church that was erected in Antarctica should remain as an historical reminder of the good intentions of some. It makes no matter that is my own Orthodox church - I think the penguins would approve.)

Perhaps also there should be a counterpoint northern polar embassy of international standing so that events taking place when those regions have more moderate temperature could be scheduled there. It would need to have significantly less power than that of the southern region, due to having no actual landmass without prior national imperatives. Perhaps those otherwise useless aircraft carriers could serve as a huge floating foundation for this edifice...

Just think, all countries would then have a voice in the international parliament as long as they were willing to send representatives either place, and all citizens could vote according to interntionally recognized rules. Such states as could not or would not do this could be declared 'reserves', their land being open to settlers or partitioned explicitly for forests and prairies and the like. No munitions allowed, of course. Disturbances in any of the former states could be adjudicated by sending the perpetrators to one of the polar region nearby uninhabited islands, tropical ones being reserved for the lessor offendors.

Okay, what's the first step?

Posted by: juliania | Jun 21 2020 18:57 utc | 26

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2020 14:57 utc | 4

Regardless "despised or despite" I'm confuse. All my life was taught the goodness of democracy, universal suffrage, study and work hard, freedom and god. Threw all these out the windows and now rethink another alternative? Biden (being brain-dead) or Trump (more brain-dead) any other brain-dead choices?

"..ruled by an authoritarian government.” What the different, top down top bottom up? Do, we really has universal suffrage? The poor remain poor and actually getting poorer and poorer. Votes are bought and sold, illegal can votes and demands everything free.... These are pure madness and a troller even call me a racist?

Posted by: JC | Jun 21 2020 19:00 utc | 27

The juxtaposition of those two articles were just perfect: Biden leads by 11% and, at the same time, 55% think he's losing the little sense he ever had. Just a perfect illustration of late empire period.

Posted by: Caliman | Jun 21 2020 19:07 utc | 28

I have mentioned this book before, but everyone should read British historian Richard Overy's book, Russia's War. It is excellent, and confirms Putin's analysis. It also considers Stalin's many mistakes and crimes, while also crediting the Soviet Union for defeating the Nazis.

Another book on Soviet efforts to create an anti-fascist alliance with the French and British is 1939: the alliance that never was.

Jacques Pauwels has written the best summary of American machinations around WW2, entitled, The Myth of the Good War.

Gabriel Kolko's, The Politics of War also covers US strategy around WW2.

Posted by: Prof K | Jun 21 2020 19:12 utc | 29

james@2, whose dad was a gentle soul... so was mine, and on this day way back when, he rode the pilot boat out under the Golden Gate to meet his little family (including me) as we arrived in the US after first sampling the beauties of your region in the northernmost regions, on the good ship 'Orsova', P&O Line. Happy Fathers Day to both Dads!!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 21 2020 19:14 utc | 30

Sorry, that was James @12

Posted by: juliania | Jun 21 2020 19:16 utc | 31

The Internal Revenue Service attempted to identify and track potential criminal suspects by purchasing access to a commercial database that records the locations of millions of American cellphones.

The IRS Criminal Investigation unit, or IRS CI, had a subscription to access the data in 2017 and 2018, and the way it used the data was revealed last week in a briefing by IRS CI officials to Sen. Ron Wyden’s (D., Ore.) office. The briefing was described to The Wall Street Journal by an aide to the senator.

IRS CI officials told Mr. Wyden’s office that their lawyers had given verbal approval for the use of the database, which is sold by a Virginia-based government contractor called Venntel Inc. Venntel obtains anonymized location data from the marketing industry and resells it to governments. IRS CI added that it let its Venntel subscription lapse after it failed to locate any targets of interest during the year it paid for the service, according to Mr. Wyden’s aide.

Posted by: Mao | Jun 21 2020 19:16 utc | 32

Hopehely @ 20
The whole concept of one ‘couloir’ being superior to another, when you stop and think of it, is one of the most absurd laughable idears it’s possible to imagine !! Early fake news.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2020 19:28 utc | 33

thanks @ juliania.... yes to all of that!! we need more love in the world... doing it one step at a time!

Posted by: james | Jun 21 2020 19:28 utc | 34

going to play music now outdoor gig - spreading the love around... people keeping the social distancing and many fathers will be in attendance..

Posted by: james | Jun 21 2020 19:29 utc | 35

Very fitting, James @ 35- the world needs music! Even the ancient Greeks knew that. (Not sure the Romans did unless it was military or Nero's fiddle - best not to go there!)

One step at a time - I like that!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 21 2020 19:40 utc | 36

The Indian troops trespassed the Chinese side of the border and started the clash. Modi admitted as much …
The very India Today article that b. links to here says the clash began at a Chinese post that both sides had agreed was on the Indian side of the de facto border, before moving over to the Chinese side and escalating. And using Modi’s bluster (“Neither has anyone entered our territory …”) as an admission that India was the aggressor may be a nice debating point, but is disingenuous: it doesn’t get us any closer to the truth.

I make no assertion on the underlying facts; I don’t even know whether the India Today article is accurate. I just see that it doesn’t say what MoA is saying it says, and I think the Modi quote’s self-serving rhetoric is being unconvincingly construed as a confession of Indian responsibility for the fight.

What’s going on here? Does MoA want to provide analysis or bash India, perhaps seeing it as a proxy for the U.S.?

(I should say I have no particular views on who the “good guys” are in the China-India border issue.)

Posted by: David G | Jun 21 2020 19:44 utc | 37

What's up in Serbia/Kosovo? I hear it's getting hot over there. Sounds like the US is siding with Serbia. Any real news on the matter?

Posted by: Just Me | Jun 21 2020 19:58 utc | 38

Don Bacon, 3:

It's dementia, not gaffs.

Your citation is from 2008.

Joe Biden has suffered a significant mental decline since 2017.

Unfortunately, Joe has not lost his propensity for lying (eg about the reasons for voting in Oct. 2002 to authorize the 2003 Iraq invasion) as his faculties have declined.

Posted by: Jay | Jun 21 2020 20:06 utc | 39

Another guy in history, along with Stalin, who needs some justice to be done in his name is Atila...It is said of him that "wherever he passed, the grass did not grow again" ...

It is time to evaluate, and write down for historical records, the outcome of the act of passing by the US everywhere...Sowing "warlords"....

Consequences of a historical nightmare called "pax americana": suffering of a nine-year-old girl taken from her mother and given in marriage to a 60-year-old guy in Afghanistan.

Attention to instinctive rebellion by the girl even when raised in such environment..instinctive rebelion against a sure death ...of childhood, teenhood, and of the soul...forever...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 21 2020 20:13 utc | 40

no words...

Posted by: Mao | Jun 21 2020 20:15 utc | 41

Yo snake, try wishing in one bucket and pissing in the other... which one fills up? Your rant had a nice sentiment but kind of ignores all of human history...

Posted by: Rae | Jun 21 2020 20:17 utc | 42

@ Jay 39
Your comment makes no sense. Dementia?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 21 2020 20:54 utc | 43

On childhood´s dreams and the loses of war....

"Ivan´s Childhood" by Andrey Tarkovsky


Whole film with Spanish subtitles:

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 21 2020 20:57 utc | 44

Mao @ 41
What’s the context ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2020 21:08 utc | 45

Don Bacon:

Your comment makes no sense. Dementia?

Saying: "I don't understand you" isn't a way of avoiding the fact that Biden has dementia. He has suffered a significant decline in his mental faculties over the last 2-3 years. "But 2008..." is meaningless, except as a flailing attempt at distraction.

So you can't claim to not know what the noun means, here's a link to the Merriam-Webster definition of "dementia":

It was very obvious in 2015-16 that HRC was a horrid candidate, not just against DJT, look what at what happened when conventional "wisdom" ignored this fact about HRC. And HRC doesn't have dementia.

And no, that Joe Biden has "good" days doesn't excuse his candidacy, or help him in any manner.

Posted by: Jay | Jun 21 2020 21:14 utc | 46

Mao @ 41
Ok how about ———
What was your motivation for posting it ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 21 2020 21:40 utc | 47

Scary or not, Putin is intelligent and educated in the European tradition. He speaks German fluently and reflects historically on his own and Russia's context, and he rejects exceptionalism. We can argue with the details of his account, but then such argument is the stuff of academic discourse. That Putin takes an academic pathway to the past alone is refreshing. It suggests he grapples with questions of historical representation, even if it serves his political ends. It is simply inconceivable that it would occur to a US leader to approach the past this way. When the US can produce a politician who is able to publish a thoughtful historical essay reflecting on the relationship between a defining event and the present situation then my respect for the American intellectual tradition may just begin to return. But that ship sailed: US politicians who can write such essays tend to get assassinated. Leadership requires managing the complex interaction of truth and desire, what people need as opposed to what they want. Trump has organised it as a hall of mirrors where his class get what they want by offering the mass the illusion of satisfaction, vanquished imaginary enemies, straw-men, etc. Putin respects the intellect of his people and in that sense he is committed to the greatness of Russia authentically. MAGA on the other hand is just media chicanery and a juggler's trick. USA—the dustbin of history awaits.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 21 2020 22:20 utc | 48

@38 I can't give you a definitive answer but you might want to read this article...

"The upcoming “peace talks” between Kosovo and Serbia, which are supposed to take place on June 27 under White House auspices, seem driven more by the short-term interests of Donald Trump than by true US or Balkan interests."

Posted by: dh | Jun 21 2020 22:29 utc | 49

@47 Mark 2

The video was from the early part of the riots. A business owner tried to protect his store and was attacked.

Posted by: Fractional Ownership | Jun 21 2020 22:49 utc | 50

David G 37

If you bothered to do a bit of research, you would know that when Modi says Chinese never at any time set foot in India, that that is what happened. I have seen his speech on Video, but non with English captions. There is no transcript of the statement at the site for prime minister of India. Instead there is a clarification put up by his minders.
The clarification is that the evil Chinese had cast their unclean eyes on sacred India so the brave Jawans went over and taught them a lesson.
US put out sat pics that showed the Chinese side of the line, but were very careful not to shoe the Indian side of the line.
Indian although only a couple of k's at the mouth of the valley is on Indias side of the line, if you rad Indian media, they believe all of Galwan valley is theirs.
In the US sat photo from the day after the incident, China did not yet have a road to the line of control whereas India did.
India have also been working on major infrastructure, putting in a major bridge that is not just for patrolling up to the line which they have always been able to do, but to allow convoys of heavy vehicles access to the valley.
From the Indian reports, it sounds like the brawl took place in the rocks above the river where China does not yet have a road.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 21 2020 22:55 utc | 51

@ Richard Steven Hack | Jun 21 2020 14:57 utc | 4

It's damn peculiar, Steven, but you do remind me of a fellow I was acquainted with who liked to write poems about dogs.

Posted by: blues | Jun 21 2020 23:08 utc | 52

Hilariously unselfaware announcement:

For the Libyan state, "interference in its internal affairs, attacks on its sovereignty, whether by declarations...or by support for putschists, militias, and mercenaries, is unacceptable,"

Quiz: who said that and when?
a. everyone when SecState Clinton and UN supported bombing Libya
b. everyone when US/UN set up GNA in Libya
c. GNA yesterday

In which country was every citizen guaranteed a house, boys and girls could grow up to become doctors in one of the most advanced healtcare systems in Africa?
In which country do they now have slave markets, boys can fight in a proxy war and girls better stay at home or else?

Posted by: Deltaeus | Jun 21 2020 23:09 utc | 53

As somebody who has taken care of a parent suffering from Alzheimer’s, Biden’s performance in the debates was utterly alarming. To me, his speech patterns reveal much evidence of cognitive decline. Nobody needs to argue that he has dementia. The evidence is there for those who have eyes. The DNC expended all of its very limited abilities to get rid of a very popular socialist leaning candidate with absolutely no consideration about having a candidate better than Bernie. Tom Perez and his peers can rot in Perdition. The only merit Biden has is that he was not in Epstein’s Black Book.

Posted by: DougDiggler | Jun 21 2020 23:16 utc | 54

My take on the Putin essay is that he's a Stalinist. He seems to think Stalin was an able military leader, but Trotsky was far more able. Trotsky was the leader on the ground who made the revolution happen. He was the founder of the Red Army and the strategist who won the civil war. He was such a powerful speaker he could do something Stalin never could -- inspire the fighters going into battle. It could be argued that when Stalin cast out Trotsky that was what made Hitler's attack on the USSR inevitable. Stalin purged the military officers Trotsky had chosen, sending the Red Army into disarray while Germany was building its wehrmacht. Hitler would have had far more respect for the Red Army if the revolution's military leader was in command in 1939. It wasn't until Marshall Zukov came along that the Red Army got its groove back.

Posted by: Chas | Jun 21 2020 23:26 utc | 55

I just want to recall in our memory the great man that was killed by treacherous and murderous americans french and british.One of those africans that has been killed for uniting his people and being the hope of so many people and countries.To Hell,Sarkozy!(Instead they seem to be warming him up to replace Macron,and yes,I'm afraid and I believe that the french are stupid enough to vote him ,it always works with their media).

Musical honours,and video that show how much he was loved in africa.

They bombed the meant-to-be African Parliament in Sirte.It was like destroying the Reichstag or bombing the european parliament in Strasbourg,but none noticed,it is never mentioned.They bombed the Great Man-made river that transported water for agriculture from under the desert huge reservoirs over 1500 miles with depleted uranium.No one noticed,it is never mentioned.Neither is mentioned that the oil revenues benefited greatly to the Libyan people.This made me sick nine years ago,and it ain't getting better.Ugly rats.Likewise it is never mentioned that Sarkozy's stepfather was one Frank Wisner ,co founder of CIA,whose son was Ambassador to Cairo during the Tahrir plaza coloured revolution.

PS ,the description given by BM,about his problem with b or not b,where he speaks about false screen internet adresses provided by hijacking servers has been applicated by NATO in its conquest of Tripoli,where after shelling radio antennae,only internet was standing as source of information to the inhabitants,and they thought it was over,before it really was over.French soldiers kept shooting in the streets from helicopters,to keep the people inside,and unable to telephone or listen to radio,the people of Tripoli thought the race was run,and the regular army defeated.

Posted by: willie | Jun 21 2020 23:44 utc | 56

Hoarsewhisperer 7

I think you are onto something there. When Putin unveiled the new weapons systems, Peresvet I took to be a laser and it seemed a bit out of place as lasers are limited by atmospheric conditions whereas Russian military equipment operates under all conditions.
Putin also spoke of completely new physics principles.
The Budker instatute.
Peresvet - particle accelerator/directed energy weapon that can operate under all conditions? Satellites, ICBMs ect?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 21 2020 23:44 utc | 57

"North Korea recently blew up the “inter-Korean liaison office in the western border town of Kaesong,” an act The Wall Street Journal described, and other Western news media saw as, “provocative.

Posted by: arby | Jun 22 2020 0:03 utc | 58

I have been watching a few of these Russian WWII documentaries.

One I watched the other night, either Liberation of Ukraine or Operation Bagration had a bit on the Ukraine and other local SS Nazi groups that sided with nazi Germany and ran the genocide operations in their countries. I think it was the remnants of the Ukraine groups that were mentioned. They made there way to the west and surrendered to the western allies. US UK refused to extradite them to the Soviet Union and instead resettled them in UK and Canada.
Since WWII, five eyes have been taking in the scum of the world that have hereditary hatreds of their own countries.
Many get into positions of influence and power. This can't end well.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 0:12 utc | 59

Peter AU1 | Jun 21 2020 22:55 utc | 51:

I think it’s silly to read Modi’s remarks as saying, “It’s our fault, and our military people who agreed with China that the outpost where the clash started is on our side of the LAC don’t know what they’re talking about.”

MoA found a bit of chest thumping by Modi and pretended it was a confession. As I said above, that’s cute, but not helpful in understanding.

I did the research relevant to my point: MoA cited an article and an excerpt from a Modi speech to support the assertion that “Indian troops trespassed the Chinese side of the border and started the clash”. I read the article and the excerpt, and neither supports the assertion.

I think b. should remember there are readers who appreciate facts and analysis more than merely having their preconceptions reinforced. Well, I know there’s one, but I believe there are others.

Posted by: David G | Jun 22 2020 0:22 utc | 60

get rid of a very popular socialist leaning candidate with absolutely no consideration about having a candidate better than Bernie.
Agree DD@54. I don't know why but no one takes the primary elections seriously, (except Circe) when in reality it really is the most important one of all. Could it be Americans are just not ready for what the rest of the world has? That is health care and education as a right? How is it all you hear now is how there is no choice between these two pieces of boomer poop when the opportunity to elect younger, more viable candidate's have come and gone, yet again. I read right here how Bernie was a socialist, Gabbard stood with Israel, Yang was bent right, Warren was faux Native American, Buttigieg hails SCOTUS decision on LGBTQ workers "an enormous step forward" and Harris had an Extramarital Affair and so on. No one wanted to get behind any of these or the others and push them into the white house. It was just constant nit picking that got us Biden, the DNC default.

It's not hard to look back and say we blew it, again.

Posted by: George | Jun 22 2020 0:30 utc | 61

David G

Have you bothered to read Indian media straight after Modi's statement or watch the Indian talking heads video's where they are are tearing their hair out after Modi's statement.

What Modi said is correct. Chinese never at any point entered Indian territory. The brawl took place on China's side of the line of actual control.

US and many Indians would like nothing better than India starting a war with China, but Modi, even though he is head of the Hindutva political party is not ready to start a war for the US. The Line of actual control has been there a long time, I think since the war in the sixties. Both sides will have agreed maps with exact coordinates of the line. China will have videos of the brawl and these would have been shown to India in high level meetings after the incident.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 0:42 utc | 62

@ Peter 59
Re: resettling Nazis
Operation Paperclip was a secret program of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) largely carried out by special agents of Army CIC, in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians, such as Wernher von Braun and his V-2 rocket team, were taken from Germany to the United States, for U.S. government employment, primarily between 1945 and 1959. Many were former members, and some were former leaders, of the Nazi Party - wiki

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 22 2020 1:14 utc | 63

The India Today article that MoA cites to support the claim that “Indian troops trespassed the Chinese side of the border and started the clash” unambiguously states that the first brawl took place on the Indian side of the LAC.

Posted by: David G | Jun 22 2020 1:15 utc | 64

G I should've realized you were just a troll at the start. The facts you want to read can easily be found in the MSM.
Fuck off back there.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 1:18 utc | 65

Don Bacon 63

I had read a little on that. US head scientist that built the Saturn rockets and sent the appollo rockets to the moon, an American hero was one of those Nazi's

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 1:32 utc | 66

Peter AU 1 @ 59, Don Bacon @ 63:

Yup Peter, let's thank our lucky stars we Antipodeans don't (to my knowledge anyway) have a politician like Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland who lied about her maternal Grandpa Mihaylo Chomiak who collaborated with the Nazis in Krakow producing a propaganda rag with printing equipment and other assets stolen from a printer who was sent off with his family to Auschwitz-Birkenau and perished there.

Unfortunately some of Europe's fascist scum ended up here in Australia too, in Sydney and Melbourne in particular. Some of these scum also went to Bolivia and had connections to the people who overthrew President Evo Morales.

Posted by: Jen | Jun 22 2020 1:35 utc | 67

Chas | Jun 21 2020 23:26 utc | 55:

Leaving aside the rather heavy connotations of the word “Stalinist”, I agree that Putin’s essay seems to elide Stalin’s initial reaction to June 22, which I understand to have been several days of paralysis, which, since he was absolute ruler, translated down to the state and military response.

The Nazi invasion was always inevitable, regardless of who was in charge in Moscow: Hitler’s only two unshakable principles were against the Jews and for conquest in the East, and they were always there for anybody to see, starting with his book. I think Stalin knew that intellectually, but it seems he had a period of denial leading up to the invasion, and briefly even afterward.

Still, after that Stalin and the USSR did what needed to be done.

Posted by: David G | Jun 22 2020 1:39 utc | 68

I should think when Joe Biden's brain starts flat-lining and only a cryogenic chamber can keep him alive will he finally become the perfect candidate to contest the 2020 US Presidential elections. One has to be brain-dead to even think of campaigning for a job where the main job requirement is to park your brain at the door, irrespective of how much you might earn and whether you get to have that little gadget with the red button (that sends all the start-up codes to your nation's nuke missiles) in your desk.

Posted by: Jen | Jun 22 2020 1:45 utc | 69

Posted by: lizard | Jun 21 2020 17:19 utc | 13 technocrat godhead wannabes who promise...what exactly? a futurist utopia...once a few billion of us are culled from the herd.

By George, I think he's got it! LOL

Actually, there are four possible outcomes:

1) Transhumans eliminate humans.
2) Transhumans transmogrify (fancy word for change) humans into Transhumans (whether they like it or not is irrelevant, since they'll like it afterwards.)
3) Transhumans ignore humans and go about their business.
4) And the most likely outcome: all of the above. Some humans who are stupid enough to oppose Transhumans die (unlike in Star Trek, stupid does not outwit smart), some who want the benefits are converted, and the rest are allowed to stew in their own juices like they are now since they're not worth anyone's time.

I don't actually have a preference as to which outcome occurs. But I would like to see *assholes* eliminated - just on general principle. As Williams S. Burroughs once pointed out, there are a certain percentage of the population who don't do anything but cause trouble for the rest. He advocated eliminating them by any means necessary immediately on detection. He especially despised those who "have to be RIGHT", as he put it, i.e., moralistic clowns currently referred to as "social justice warriors" whose only interest seems to be managing everyone's life but their own.

What's that song that goes, "He can't even run his own life, I'll be damned if he runs mine"?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 22 2020 1:46 utc | 70

Abbott liked the Nazi's There was a bit of a stir when When one of his ministers gave a speech to the Australian Croatian Nazi's on behalf of Abbott. I think one of Abbott's ministers was also a descendant of nephew of a German Nazi general.,6411

Posted by: Shop | Jun 22 2020 1:51 utc | 71

Not sure what happened to the user name but post 71 was mine

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 2:15 utc | 72

@ Posted by: Chas | Jun 21 2020 23:26 utc | 55

A curiosity of History is in the fact that, during the Civil War, the Red Army became famous for its mobility: the railways were always under Bolshevik control even at the direst moments (when they held just a tiny strip of land crossing through Moscow north-south), and used them to create artificial numerical superiority over the White Army, by deploying its divisions when needed at the right place. This became known as "Echelon Warfare" (railway warfare). But, at the beginning of WWII, the Red Army was the opposite of this: it was a huge, clunky and slow army, with enormous problems of mobility. The Wehrmacht, more mobile, was able to achieve artificial numerical superiority in the East Front of up to 10:1, and made the greatest envelopment maneuvers in History during this period.

It was only after they were able to stop the Nazi charge in Stalingrad that the Red Army was able to combine both mobility and size. The Soviet generals and other commanders only got better with time, in a maturity that culminated with Operation Bagration, which wiped out Army Group Center in some weeks.

It's not clear cut that veterans from WWI made good commanders in WWII. Hitler used veterans because he didn't have a choice (the Versailles Treaty forbade Germany from graduating new officers), and even then there's no evidence the battle forged Generalfeldmarschalls from WWII were worse than their WWI counterparts. The Red Army certainly improved under their new graduates (Zhukov, Chuikov et al). Eisenhower notably fired a lot of veteran generals and promoted new ones after the famous Louisiana Maneuvers, in which he saw the old generation clearly wasn't capable of keeping up with the new technologies and doctrines of modern warfare.

The end of WWII with the USSR being the most powerful land and air power, and the USA being the most powerful sea power. The lasting monument of WWII in terms of the art of war was the Soviet doctrine of Deep Operations.

The reason the USSR didn't immediately respond to the Nazi invasion is that 1) the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was still valid, so Stalin couldn't be sure if the June charge was just a little show for domestic consumption in Germany or a true war 2) the lines of communication are the first infrastructure to be destroyed in modern warfare, so the message didn't come to Moscow in due time and updated and 3) the Red Army was still in flux, still building up. In this, total credit to Hitler: 1939 was the only possible time for Germany to start a world war with any chances of winning. Had he started it earlier, Germany wouldn't be ready; had he started later, Germany would be crushed.

Posted by: vk | Jun 22 2020 2:15 utc | 73

karlof1 #21

I'd greatly enjoy sharing some time with President Putin and some tea brewed in one of the Kremlin's magnificent samovars. I'd ask him about his vision for a shared Eurasian space and what changed his views on ecology and the Climate Crisis.

Agreed, that would be of interest to me too. Does Putin do 'fireside chats' that are translated?

On the subject of 'interesting toys' that b references above, it is a great thing that science is a diverse and driven method but simultaneously a great tragedy that the diversity is driven by conflict between states. We humans have yet to transcend our self interest and religious dogma view of conformity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2020 2:27 utc | 74


The blitzkrieg was a new form of warfare at the time that nobody was prepared for or knew how to counter. Stalin may have had inklings of this with his decapitating of the soviet military before the outbreak of war. I am beginning to think Stalin saw that new blood and new thought was required in the military leadership. Russian military had not performed well in past decades - battle of Jutland, WWI ect - and some of that thinking was likely still in the soviet military leadership.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 2:31 utc | 75

First, always MOA, accolades for your site in the highest regard. I see our earth struggle as a very long "trail of tears". Why is the question, WHY do humans cannibalize our own species? Until this insane behavior ends~~ the construct ~leaders~ ~followers~ is total hyperbole.

Posted by: BiloxiMarxK | Jun 22 2020 2:32 utc | 76

Shop #71

The New South Wales state branch of the Liberal Party (Abbots power base) had one Ljenko Urbancic as its state president. He was outed as a fascist slovene nazi collaborator accused of war crimes inan extraordinary interview by Mark Aarons and Robyn Ravlitch of the ABC. Brilliant expose by two exemplary journalists.

Consider this and this

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2020 2:43 utc | 77

This may have been posted, but last week Black Agenda Report published an article on the revolutionary story of Cuban medicine, authored by Don Fitz, whom I don't know but who has a book coming out about it this year.

I am so ignorant of history, I didn't know that Che Guevara was a doctor, or at least trained as one. The article reminds us that revolution doesn't mostly mean destruction - it mostly means creation:

How Che Guevara Taught Cuba to Confront COVID-19

I didn't know much about Cuban medicine, and it has been uplifting to learn more. While western medical doctrine does include alternative medicine as at least a palliative to symptoms, Cuban medicine incorporates everything known to human experience into its doctrine - including homeopathy, with which it routinely and successfully treats lesser-degree COVID-19.

Cuba's Interferon Alpha 2B is famous by now of course as the antiviral of choice for the pandemic and to date, 72 countries have requested it for their crisis response efforts.


What I didn't see was how, in general, everyone's revolution wants to export its message to the world, and in Cuba's case its revolution was its healthcare. Its doctors, as we know, travel with the fervor of compassion, to countless nations to help treat disease. And this medical effort is indistinguishable from Cuba's revolutionary polity - the nation has infused its revolution with healthcare - as the article makes clear.

From the article, a very sweet point is made from the time of the Ebola crisis (emphasis mine):

Since many governments did not know how to respond to the disease, Cuba trained volunteers from other nations at Havana’s Pedro Kourí Institute of Tropical Medicine. In total, Cuba taught 13,000 Africans, 66,000 Latin Americans, and 620 Caribbeans how to treat Ebola without themselves becoming infected. Sharing understanding on how to organize a health system is the highest level of knowledge transfer.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 22 2020 2:43 utc | 78

Grieved #78

Thank you Grieved, the Cuban global medical achievement is one extraordinary humanitarian gift, immensely beneficial to millions as these trained people go forward and train others.

The crimes against humanity currently perpetrated by the USA through its crushing sanctions on Cuba are a feat of gross disgust unequaled by any other nation ever (except those nations that perpetrated the holocaust against the many 'undesirables' during WW2).

Those nations that willingly go along with this USA financial violence are beneath contempt.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2020 2:58 utc | 79

uncle tungsten 77

Thanks for those links. I had researched Abbott and was surprised when he was elected. (I guess a million MSM words blots out everything else to the voters.) Though prior to the election I did not run onto his links to Nazi's. The fucker sided with them on MH17. New Matilda I don't read much now as geo-politicaly they are the modern left.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 3:06 utc | 80

The revolutionary point I wanted to add @78 and somehow didn't, is derived from Black Panther Fred Hampton's message that he would not fight the oppressor's tactic of divide and rule by using those weapons but by negating them through solidarity.

In general then, one does not fight back using the weapons the oppressor uses to enslave you.* One rises above this attack with a new order of strength to become forever immune from those weapons.

This Cuba has done, in my judgment, and all other successful movements have done, and all movements that wish to succeed must do.


*Even when you may appear in certain theaters fighting weapon to weapon with the enemy, this is not your underlying strength.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 22 2020 3:08 utc | 81

Posted by: George | Jun 22 2020 0:30 utc | 61

Why *should* I care who the DNC picks? US politics is as democratic as the next WWE kayfabe script.

Posted by: JW | Jun 22 2020 3:09 utc | 82

daddy divorced from mommy
mommy divorced from earth
earth divorced from science
science divorced from birth
birth divorced from struggle
struggle divorced from food
food divorced from scarcity
and scarcity becomes a tool
and a tool becomes a weapon
and weapons must be used
so targets must be found
and reasons to abuse
love divorced from living
and living divorced from life
means sociopaths are winning
with soul-sucking strife

Posted by: lizard | Jun 22 2020 3:11 utc | 83

uncle tungsten #80

Hear, hear!

Grieved #78

I read that same BAR story. I'd always heard and read about Cuba's medical expertise, volunteering and sharing of knowledge, the story provided some great details.

You may find this thread about Che interesting. It is an archived Reddit post (commence scoffing) but the write-up by 'ainrialai' is quite informative.

Posted by: snow_watcher | Jun 22 2020 3:23 utc | 84

Posted by: Jen | Jun 22 2020 1:35 utc | 67

Unfortunately some of Europe's fascist scum ended up here in Australia too, in Sydney and Melbourne in particular.

Communists often use the liberal's tolerance towards fascists as the illustration of their hypocrisy, dishonesty and fake humanity. Those bastards knew that Croatian, Ukrainian, Latvian etc. nazis were war criminals with their arms soaked in blood up to elbows, but they still received those monsters with open arms and treated them as poor victims of 'red terror'.

Posted by: hopehely | Jun 22 2020 3:40 utc | 85

China policy lacks perspicacity by Mohammed Ayoob is a pretty good analysis IMO.

Xi Jinping won a few km2 territory but lost the Indian population, who were positive about him before: a Pyrrhic victory. It never ceases to amaze me that some in the West keep seeing him as a benign globalist while labeling Modi as a fascist nationalist.
Raw power attracts --- Stockholm syndrome.

Posted by: Antonym | Jun 22 2020 3:50 utc | 86

Nonsense. As modi admitted, Chinese troops didn't even set foot on Indian territory. It is India that is instigating, with US backing it.
And in 1962 China gained control of disputed territory then unilaterally withdrew from it. It didn't take the land even when it was under their control.

Posted by: occupatio | Jun 22 2020 4:03 utc | 87

The exception being some MNCs: VW – sells about 30% of all its sales in Europe and almost 50% of them in China! Apple, Amazon & Walmart stockholders are also making a killing from these Chinese/US Siamese twins even now.

Posted by: Antonym | Jun 22 2020 4:04 utc | 88

PM Modi had put high hopes in Xi Jinping: see their summits in Wuhan and recently in Mahabalipuram. He is shell shocked by this unexpected Chinese aggressiveness and brutality.

While all the attention has been on Galwan Valley, the Chinese have quietly built big, seemingly permanent, structures in the area between Fingers 4 and 8 in Pangong Tso (lake).

Posted by: Antonym | Jun 22 2020 4:15 utc | 89

Carrier groups, submarines, stealth aircraft, satellites, drones, you name it, none of those expensive killing machines did so much damage as Hollywood did to the world. The empire loved domino theories, the first tile to come down and drag the rest with it was Hollywood.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 22 2020 4:18 utc | 90

Grieved 81

Thanks for those posts. Communism with Cuban characteristics. I had not known Che trained as a doctor, but Cuban medical staff often appear in medical hot spots. It had become very noticeable.
Re 'weapons' most or all countries that successfully oppose implementation of US dominance and culture on their countries do not use US "tactics or weapons". My thought and perhaps yours is that a counties culture is what they use to defend against the US.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 4:26 utc | 91

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 21 2020 23:44 utc | 57
(Peresvet - Putin also spoke of completely new physics principles)

The worrisome thing for The Swamp is that the amateur Google Earth sleuths have spotted 3 Peresvet installations in Russia. Therefore one may safely conclude that the prototype passed all its tests and is now in full production mode.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 22 2020 4:57 utc | 92

Antonym 86
'It never ceases to amaze me that some in the West keep seeing him as a benign globalist while labeling Modi as a fascist nationalist.
Raw power attracts *


'George W. Bush has a cat named India. In New Delhi, about thirty activists of the Hindu Right's political formation, the BJP, stood before the US Embassy outraged with this news. "We are not cats," said one man, "we are lions."

And lions don't lie with the lamb, or with the goat.

Which is why the Hindu Right government does not want to make nice with Pakistan, and much prefers the other lions in the region, such as Israel, and the big lion of the planet, the USA'

Posted by: denk | Jun 22 2020 5:04 utc | 93

The spam filter is really on steroid lately

Posted by: denk | Jun 22 2020 5:06 utc | 94

Grieved 78/81

Peter AU1 who wrote
My thought and perhaps yours is that a counties culture is what they use to defend against the US.

I agree that Cuba has set a wonderful example. I see China culture defending agains the US/empire in two related ways.

It has come to me recently that even more than the core public financial system that China has, their "form" of government represents another fundamental attack on the culture of the West. America was founded as a secular attempt at governance exemplified by the E Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One) but bastardized in the 1950's to fight Godless communism by changing American motto to In God We Trust....gag!

China is showing that purely secular government is effective in providing social support for all their citizens. The West that never completed the Enlightenment period transition is stuck in this Hollywood movie that has the global financial elite doing God's work and all us underlings just must have more faith.......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 22 2020 5:08 utc | 95

From what I make of it, production had moved on to deployment at the time of Putin's announcement.
Hard to tell if its sunk into the yanks what they're up against if they try to take down Russia. They were putting out a lot of videos a year or two back on their electro cannons and lasers that took about 5 seconds to take down a small slow flying fixed wing drone in 5 seconds or more. Fantasy electro cannons and lasers now seem to be scrapped.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2020 5:33 utc | 96

Below is a Wall Street on Parade link

As Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Face Criminal Probes, Barr Fires Top Prosecutor; Tries to Replace Him with Banks’ Former Lawyer, Jay Clayton

Trump is draining the swamp, right?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 22 2020 6:09 utc | 97

In addition to my comment above concerning Khadafi,I link to this video,the one that I was looking for when I stumbled on the two above.It is a video from the green movement (the one Khadafi inspired,being the author of tjhe little green book).It predicted the uprisings and unrest in a lot of countries,as being instigates by the freemasonry working to world government.=from 07m 20s=It shows also a lot of the evil destruction of Libya by our taxpayers bombs.

Posted by: willie | Jun 22 2020 7:39 utc | 98

@7 Hoarsewhisperer

They're basically the same as an inverted telescope. Whilst small ones can use a lens, bigger ones use mirrors.

Posted by: S.O. | Jun 22 2020 9:07 utc | 99

@ Noirette | Jun 21 2020 16:37 utc | 9

Nice links. Thanks

Posted by: jared | Jun 22 2020 9:52 utc | 100

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