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June 25, 2020
Open Thread 2020-50
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I’m baffled as to why the “protesters” haven’t become more radical in their Mao-inspired Cultural Putsch. Do their paymasters, the stokers, have no creativity? No imagination? No sense of Chinese history? Afterall, during Mao’s Cultural Revolution, the Red Guards would go so far as to exhume the bodies of former dignitaries and desecrate the corpses. A good start for America’s contemporary version of Mao’s Cultural Revolution would be St. John’s Cemetery in Queens where most if not all of the major organized New York City crime figures have been interred. These scum should never be allowed to rest in peace for they usurped to their own advantage what could have been and should have been a proper REAL revolution.
Posted by: 450.org | Jun 25 2020 14:43 utc | 1 American Trotskyists show their true face again:
Well, that’s true for every person in History. The question is: why doesn’t the WSWS guys give this same treatment to Stalin? Is it only the American historical figures that deserve the scientific treatment? @ 2 vk I am also baffled by the WSWS, it has many decent articles assuming you ignore the mandatory “workers of the world class bah blah” they are required to cut and paste at the end of each article. So, the articles calling for defense of monuments erected to honor Thomas Jefferson, George Washington etc on the basis of that these leaders were against the forces of reaction is utter nonsense.
In the United States, there is a deification of the “fathers” of the 13 colonies that is taught in schools, regurgitated in plays, theatre, stories of all kinds and saturates the culture. It amounts to a complete whitewashing of their active historical roles as architects of a slave-Republic, in which land speculation from dispossessing Indigenous peoples and slave trading -and plantation were the core components of this new Republic. The primary beneficiaries of which included some of the most important land speculators such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin .. and of course slave holders. More than the symbolic significance of tearing down these cultural markers, it is the question of the history of racial capitalism and their oligarchic elites in the rise and formation of the United States that is unmentionable. For the wrestling about the past we see around these cultural markers are not just about “culture,” it is about the present predatory capitalist parasites and their choke hold on the levers of power, economy and culture.
Posted by: Thirsty | Jun 25 2020 16:49 utc | 3 re: the constitutional reform bill in Russia, why is it that the ONLY provision mentioned by BBC and other opinion makers has to do with the possibility that the hated Putin might remain in office? Wait, wait, don’t tell me… it’s coming to me… Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2020 17:17 utc | 4 A few years back, our them prime minister Tony Abbott declared that Australia is part of the anglosphere – in other words, a British outpost in the Asia pacific.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/18/from-dodgy-dossiers-to-sacking-of-whitlam-british-empire-stands-exposed/ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2020 17:22 utc | 5 The CIA and other state organizations infiltrate various popular organizations in order to fulfill a couple objectives. The first, of course, is to be able to keep track of individuals that could potentially be dangerous to the establishment. The CIA and other state organizations even learned from the Israelis to create radical organizations themselves in order to accomplish this end if there were no good ones around to infiltrate. Thus some radical organizations such as the ISO were created by the CIA. Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 25 2020 17:29 utc | 6 India, once again the crown jewel of the British British Empire in the coming hot or cold war to take China down. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2020 17:35 utc | 7 The CIA’s number one goal, it always was thus, is to ensure global economic development, i.e. endless growth, on its terms. I’d say America’s terms but it’s long past that. The CIA is transnational at this point and America is just one of its divisions. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 25 2020 17:44 utc | 8 @ 6 william gruff… thanks… it is too bad most people are easily duped…. developing critical thinking is a ongoing challenge for most.. Posted by: james | Jun 25 2020 17:47 utc | 9 @Posted by: 450.org | Jun 25 2020 17:44 utc | 8 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 25 2020 17:53 utc | 10 ” Posted by: arby | Jun 25 2020 18:30 utc | 11 three days to reverse– Posted by: arby | Jun 25 2020 18:46 utc | 12 Alright so attempting to link attitudes towards masks with IQ is stupid, but I will refrain from linking B. with low IQ. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jun 25 2020 18:47 utc | 13 And i might add, posting comments in the wrong thread is also not a sign of low IQ! But not linked to political views either. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jun 25 2020 18:50 utc | 14 Peter AU 1 @5– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2020 18:50 utc | 15 I can’t believe Stephen Colbert gave John Bolton the time of day and calling him Ambassador. I used to like this guy before his take over of The Late Show. I’ve noticed a lot of these comedians have lost their minds starting in 2016. My favorite will always been George Carlin. Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 25 2020 19:37 utc | 16 well, I am an american, south american, nearly trotskyist, so what? The worm turns Posted by: arby | Jun 25 2020 20:05 utc | 18 karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2020 20:11 utc | 19 karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2020 20:28 utc | 20 Peter AU 1 @19– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2020 20:43 utc | 21 Peter AU 1 @20– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2020 21:02 utc | 22 Very important news:
A financial crisis coming? We now have information about another police murder similar to Floyd’s in Tucson, AZ, although it didn’t occur in public. I found this point made of great importance: Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2020 22:18 utc | 24 @23– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2020 22:21 utc | 25 Socialists condemn Sir Keir for sacking Rebecca Long Bailey karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2020 22:54 utc | 27 No, this is not North Korea: Anyone heard what the “massive explosion on the outskirts of Tehran” about 5 hours ago was? Posted by: A User | Jun 26 2020 0:21 utc | 29 A User. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 26 2020 1:14 utc | 30 Yet another installment of my musings related to the oncoming Critical Mass is here. The motif that what’s occurring is a segment of what FDR described as the USA’s “perpetual peaceful revolution” has captured my imagination and I’m working it into the overall narrative. Re 29 and 30 Posted by: CarlD | Jun 26 2020 1:43 utc | 32 450.org #1 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 26 2020 1:53 utc | 33 vk #26
Keir Starmer is a right wing tool of the oligarchy and has no greater claim to be ‘moderate’ than the basement rat. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 26 2020 1:59 utc | 34 It would be very difficult, if not impossible, for even the US to send stealth bombers or missiles to target the facility without getting lit up by all of the air defenses Iran has setup over the past 20 year. It would be much easier to arrange some sabotage through a MEK operative. Posted by: Kadath | Jun 26 2020 2:01 utc | 35 How come no one seem to care Julian Assange still in jailed? Posted by: JC | Jun 26 2020 4:05 utc | 36 Peter AU1 #20
The hippie movement was multidimensional as it was both a protest against the multifaceted brain of the beast AND a broad exploration of other social, political and cultural landscapes. It was born in an atmosphere of a cold war, a hot war, a conformist war, a puritan war. So the explorers grabbed a bag of dope and some clear light or some forbidden hard stuff and set off following the trail set by earlier non-conformists or the trail to the forest and farm. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 26 2020 5:18 utc | 37 OK its Friday again & for this week’s culcha, I thought I’d whack in this allegedly traditional Tongan song by the Bull Sisters, Vika & Linda. Posted by: A User | Jun 26 2020 6:41 utc | 38 uncle tungsten Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 26 2020 6:54 utc | 39 re Peter AU1 | Jun 26 2020 6:54 utc | 37 Posted by: A User | Jun 26 2020 9:20 utc | 40 https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/06/26/censored-suppressed-zelinsky-testimony-on-barrs-obstruction-and-complicity-in-crimes/ Posted by: snake | Jun 26 2020 10:52 utc | 41 Mika & Joe were playing up reparations today on Morning Joe. I have said this before, and I will say it again. I do not support #BlackLIvesMatter. It is a race hustling scam that only serves to sow division versus unity. For there to be unity and a true end to any & all racism and bigotry in all its manifestations, the focus must be class. The race hustlers consider my notion an abomination because if my notion is adopted, they lose their power and influence as egalitarianism takes root and fabricated divisions disintegrate. If Joe & Mika want to donate some of their tens of millions to some of their favored pet race hustlers, go for it. But leave me and all the rest of us on the economic margins out of it. This is a class war, not a race war and in this class war, Joe & Mika and the race hustlers are part of what comprises the enemy.
Posted by: 450.org | Jun 26 2020 12:55 utc | 42 US and Hong Kong in human-trafficking row after city is placed on watch list over alleged failure to make progress combating the crime UT @33, that is a link to some rowdy Americans protesting Lockdowns. Posted by: arby | Jun 26 2020 13:49 utc | 44 To usurp Colbert’s Meanwhile schtick, there’s this. THIS is something to unite over, especially considering how egregiously immoral it is amidst a pandemic and the healthcare cost implications associated with contracting this virus. But, no protests. Instead, we get talk of reparations on Morning Joe and the tearing down of statues nobody ever knew were there or who they were they were/are so unremarkable.
The part in bold is noteworthy. Obamacare is a Republican plan. It was crafted/drafted by The Heritage Foundation. Is Obamacare flawed? Of course it is. It’s a Republican plan, afterall and was crafted as an answer to universal healthcare. So, it’s not ideal by any means and keeps the failed insurance companies afloat a while longer in this Potemkin Economy, but it’s better than the alternative which is nothing at all. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 26 2020 15:45 utc | 45 Putin’s WW2 essay is seconded and verified by lifelong WW2 historian and Canadian academic Michael Jabara Carley in this excellent essay that links to others in its support. At the end is the message Carley thinks Putin’s sending to the world as he sees Putin’s attempts with the West to be similar to Stalin’s, a point I agree with: Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 26 2020 16:35 utc | 46 Video and transcript of China’s proposals to ease some of Lebanon’s acute problems that amount to $12.5Billion of investment. The West’s offering nothing comparable, and Lebanon would be foolish not to accept the help to make it stand up. Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 26 2020 17:13 utc | 47 46 Cont’d– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 26 2020 17:53 utc | 48 A User 40 Posted by: Peter AU | Jun 26 2020 18:41 utc | 49 A piece at Strategic Culture on some of the troops being pulled out of Germany going to Poland. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 26 2020 19:16 utc | 50 The rest of this year will be interesting, I hope I get to see it all the way to a new one. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 26 2020 20:25 utc | 51 vk #2 and thirsty #3 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 27 2020 5:56 utc | 52 al-Alam Mohammed al-Bukhaitia, is said to have said “Yemeni military operation using high numbers of Yemeni rockets hit highly sensitive Posted by: snake | Jun 27 2020 9:30 utc | 53 arby #44 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 27 2020 10:23 utc | 54 Afghanistan invasion by USA sux by Abby Martin at Empire Files Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 27 2020 10:27 utc | 55 Sunny Runny Burger #51
I always take a peek at those two and the World Socialist Web Site and cruise through each region as they have some revealing reporters. Andre Vltchek is always good at home page or New Eastern Observer. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 27 2020 10:39 utc | 56 “Hidden history is always a key to the truth” Posted by: krypton | Jun 27 2020 15:06 utc | 57 Mike Figueredo interviews leftist Donna Imam from Texas on working solutions for the USA in crisis. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 28 2020 3:31 utc | 58 “Could US, China rivalry lead to war? History shows it might” Posted by: JC | Jun 28 2020 3:46 utc | 59 Any doubt about the fact that the democrat arm of the american empire party being just as racist as the republican half was removed last week when the dims voted through a bill that grants Washington DC statehood. Why? Posted by: A User | Jun 28 2020 5:30 utc | 60 wrt Puerto Rico. It aint that simple Debs, there are many Puerto Ricans who are absolutely against statehood as they would lose out. some have a sweet deal now. Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 28 2020 7:32 utc | 61 re dan of steele | Jun 28 2020 7:32 utc | 61 Posted by: A User | Jun 28 2020 7:56 utc | 62 I based what I said on conversations I have had with Puerto Ricans. They have US passports and have all the rights of other US citizens as far as I know. I did find this site which shows that this has been going on for a long time. Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 28 2020 17:16 utc | 63 |
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