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June 10, 2020
Open Thread 2020-46
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A black business owner armed with a gun was mistaken for a robbery suspect when a police officer punched him in the face, Decatur police Chief Nate Allen said today. Posted by: Mao | Jun 10 2020 17:54 utc | 1 Here’s Adolph Reed keeping it real. He’s being viciously attacked for it. Go figure. Stands to reason. No quarter for the truth.
Posted by: 450.org | Jun 10 2020 18:00 utc | 2 WATCH: New York police chief accuses media of treating police like ANIMALS Posted by: Mao | Jun 10 2020 18:06 utc | 3 Millions Of Taxpayer Dollars Are Going To Schools That Push Conversion Therapy Posted by: Mao | Jun 10 2020 18:09 utc | 4 Yale has published research that shows HCH + AZ has 50-fold benefits and insignificant risks
The article completely decimates the arguments against using HCQ + AZ or HCQ + doxycycline, specifically in early outpatient use. Posted by: BM | Jun 10 2020 18:11 utc | 5 A very interesting overview of what is happening in Libya. Posted by: dh-mtl | Jun 10 2020 18:13 utc | 6 WATCH: New York police chief accuses media of treating police like ANIMALS Posted by: BM | Jun 10 2020 18:14 utc | 7 This aspect and legacy of George Floyd is being repressed and suppressed by #BlackLivesMatter. Blacks are killing each other in epidemic numbers and it’s via gun violence. Floyd preached against this and lamented it. It’s part of his legacy. Where are the protests against this? #BlackLivesMatter, right? Of course they do, and they matter just as much when a black person takes another black person’s life.
It’s an insult to George Floyd, to his name and his legacy, that we’re not using his death to talk about blacks murdering blacks at an epidemic rate and what needs to be done to reverse the epidemic. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 10 2020 18:17 utc | 8 In Poland in 2019, a statue of a Roman Catholic priest, the late Monsignor Henryk Jankowski, is toppled and then restored two days later. Posted by: snow_watcher | Jun 10 2020 18:18 utc | 9 Maybe the police can learn something from the experience. Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jun 10 2020 18:28 utc | 10 @BM/5 Posted by: Skeletor | Jun 10 2020 18:28 utc | 11 In Libya, as in Idlib, Turkish drones have caused very significant damage to tanks and artillery positions … what is the defence? Posted by: chet380 | Jun 10 2020 18:30 utc | 12 What is a Vassal State? … visited a Neocon website putting on the warpaint against China and posters accused China of oppressing their vassal states and it got me thinking, what is a fair definition of a vassal state. This is what I came up with. Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jun 10 2020 18:35 utc | 13 450.org @2– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 18:41 utc | 14 HREF=”https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-06-02-revealed-the-uks-largest-intelligence-agency-is-infiltrating-british-schools/”>Spooks in UK schools for national security Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Jun 10 2020 18:53 utc | 15 It is also a demand that, in insisting that for all intents and purposes police violence must be seen as mainly, if not exclusively, a black thing, we cut ourselves off from the only basis for forging a political alliance that could effectively challenge it. All that could be possible as political intervention, therefore, is tinkering around with administration of neoliberal stress policing in the interest of pursuing racial parity in victimization and providing consultancies for experts in how much black lives matter.5 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 10 2020 18:54 utc | 16 14 Cont’d– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 19:00 utc | 17 I’m waiting for the good people to bring down Cecil Rhodes statue and force Christ Patten resign from Oxford University. Posted by: JC | Jun 10 2020 19:01 utc | 18 Piotr Berman @16– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 19:10 utc | 19 @6 dh-mtl Posted by: Daniel | Jun 10 2020 19:22 utc | 20 If you think the 8 minutes George Floyd, a black man brought the whole world on its knees. How about watching a white man begging for his life and nobody, give a shit, the cop was acquitted in 2016. So you think only back lives matter and White man, Brown man or Yellow man life doesn’t matter? What a sick world? Posted by: JC | Jun 10 2020 19:23 utc | 21 14 & 17 Cont’d– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 19:27 utc | 22 In the last blog post, I mentioned the Johnson County War. During that conflict, wealthy, powerful cattle barons, who formed a consortium known as the Wyoming Stock Growers Association (WSGA) that still exists to this day, utilized private mercenaries to execute a list of seventy homesteaders. Thankfully & fortunately, the homesteaders organized and were able to corner the thug/goon mercenaries. They were set to kill the thug/goon mercenaries when the calvary arrived at the last minute at the behest of the cattle barons and saved the mercenaries. Those mercenaries, as much as any other precursor, were a precursor to today’s police. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 10 2020 19:28 utc | 23 Good Chris Martenson YT yesterday: Posted by: gm | Jun 10 2020 19:42 utc | 24 >How about watching a white man begging for his life and nobody, Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 10 2020 19:53 utc | 25 When has any politician or the police ever protected our rights? They seem hell bent on erasing as many as possible. Also, why did it take a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol but not drugs? Hmm… Posted by: Shadow | Jun 10 2020 19:55 utc | 26 Posted by: BM | Jun 10 2020 18:11 utc | 5 Posted by: somebody | Jun 10 2020 19:56 utc | 27 The ruling class only needs one tactic: divide and rule. But how do I try to explain that to a black 16 year old math student who has recently started looking at me with murder in his eyes? Everything i can think of just sounds like a cliche. Posted by: Rae | Jun 10 2020 20:48 utc | 28 It didn’t take very long as an examination of the literature shows the rise of Police came with the rise of Capitalism and many excellent books exist on the subject, but there doesn’t seem to be much interest in looking beyond one’s predilections on the topic. Further proof cementing that verdict: Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 21:01 utc | 29 Rae @28– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 21:03 utc | 30 @8 450.org
This is called “concern trolling.” Posted by: Daniel | Jun 10 2020 21:20 utc | 31 Let’s not forget the likes of The Baldwin Felts Detective Agency. They are also precursors to contemporary police. Another excellent movie that speaks to this theme and validates karloft1’s latest post is John Sayles’ Matewan. It deals with the Matewan Massacre which is the precursor to the Battle of Blair Mountain where bombs were dropped from airplanes on the striking miners. The bombs were left over from World War I. The United States government supplied aerial surveillance. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 10 2020 21:21 utc | 32 Another recent case of U.S. police officers ignoring the health condition of a black man and killing him as a result (although, in this case, they immediately attempt to revive him): Posted by: S | Jun 10 2020 21:23 utc | 33 Economic news: Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 21:01 utc | 29
You think, should the police go on strike, it will be kumbaya? If the police leave an area who fills the vacuum? Posted by: somebody | Jun 10 2020 21:34 utc | 35 More concern trolling. I find this tragic and horrifying, truly. It’s taboo to talk about it or mention it though, because if you do, regardless of who you are, you will be branded a racist and the killing will continue because the issue is too sensitive to discuss intelligently and constructively with those who have an agenda. It’s clear militarized police forces and more brutal police enforcement isn’t the answer to this. The roots of it go much deeper and are much more complex.
The answer is, obviously, to pretend it’s not happening. Of course, to all those who are dying, it’s all too real. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 10 2020 21:46 utc | 36 36
Posted by: somebody | Jun 10 2020 22:07 utc | 37 @31, concern trolling my ass, you sick f*ck. All of this is interrelated. No one said a damn thing about blacks being more violent than anyone else. It’s disingenuous of you to claim I am what you have claimed I am. I am not that. Not by any stretch.
For you foreigners, I highly suggest you watch The Wire in its entirety. It’s one of my favorite series of all time. It’s an education. You can’t help feel for the characters. They are victims of their circumstances for sure, because they have no options. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 10 2020 22:17 utc | 38 The topic of renaming military bases named after Confederate generals had come up. Pat Lang will blow a fuse. Posted by: Bart Hansen | Jun 10 2020 22:18 utc | 39 somebody @35– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 22:21 utc | 40 BM #5
It is good to see real science being applied rather than voodoo shilling for big pharma. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 10 2020 22:29 utc | 41 450.org @36 & 38– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 22:47 utc | 42 Mao | Jun 10 2020 17:54 utc | 1: Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 10 2020 22:48 utc | 43 This thread’s unofficial topic of police, policing, law, justice, and culture led me to do some further research, some of which I’ve already provided. But at the root of the topic is the issue of how people using their culture arrive at formulating their society and the aspects that govern it be they formal rules or informal taboos and mores. Hobbes was the first post-Enlightenment author to explore the issue in Leviathan. Roy Nichols, who I cited on the previous thread, wrote Blueprints for Leviathan: American style, in which he writes in the Forward: Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2020 23:41 utc | 44 typo there karlofi: Hobbes was post renaissance rather than enlightenment. People pay attention to your posts so it matters. Posted by: bevin | Jun 11 2020 0:05 utc | 45 yeah, the who is condemned, just like the un was condemned by the same usual suspects – usa, or trump inc… the usa and trump throw enough condemnation around for the whole nation.. i notice how they spread it with their foreign policy and i sure as hell ain’t buying any of their pontifications on these international structures… that is a reason right their to believe something 180 opposite… Posted by: james | Jun 11 2020 0:06 utc | 46 @karlof1 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:13 utc | 47
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:18 utc | 48 Video evidence increasingly disproves police narratives
People spin everything they do to make sure what they did is on the “right” side of the line – no matter what they did. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:22 utc | 49 Remember, kids, racism against Slavic people is still okay:
Yes, that’s the opening paragraph. In the corresponding Twitter thread only two Serbs notice there’s something wrong with it. Most think it’s fine, and some even think it’s “fantastic” and are congratulating the author. Posted by: S | Jun 11 2020 0:22 utc | 50 Once passing through Harlem by bike, I found a wallet on the street filled with money. I thought about it for a minute, decided that it wouldn’t do me any good holding on to it, so I rode it up to the police station near the statue of Harriet Tubman. Two officers were in a conversation and ignored me, but I interjected that I’d found a wallet, maybe they could handle it. They pointed to a restaurant across the avenue and suggested I should have used it to purchase a meal. Then they took it from me. Posted by: Geoff | Jun 11 2020 0:24 utc | 51 This cop behavior is simply bizarre and arguably psychotic…
See my line above on how people spin everything they do to be on the “right” side of the line… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:25 utc | 52 New York Police Are Jailing Protesters For Days Without Charging Them
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:27 utc | 53 @ 53 rsh… defines the american system… profit to be made in the prison system, even if someone isn’t charged.. hold them indefinitely… Posted by: james | Jun 11 2020 0:32 utc | 54 @39 Bart Hansen
First of all, America did not win WWI or WWII. It helped in both endeavors, but it was a group effort. If not for the Soviet Union’s turning the tide at Stalingrad and pushing the Nazis back into Germany, America may never have entered the European War during WWII. It was only then that America realized if it didn’t enter, Europe would go to the Soviet Union and the Communists. To the victor go the spoils, so America decided to enter because it wanted some of the spoils. Let’s be clear about history, Fat Donny. That analysis, by the way Fat Donny, comes from the Eisenhower Institute. Posted by: 450.org | Jun 11 2020 0:34 utc | 55 Your defense budget at work…
I assume they found a really big guy to kick the jets off the carrier… You can’t make this stuff up, folks. I mean, what happens if the Chinese or Russians use electronic warfare means to shut down the launch capability because of a bug in the software? Scratch one “supercarrier”…
Right… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:34 utc | 56 bevin @45– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2020 1:09 utc | 58
Not surprising once you understand that these so-called “pro-democracy activists” are nothing but Western colonial supremacists at heart (=racists). Posted by: S | Jun 11 2020 1:17 utc | 59 Maybe the Difference between a “Cop” and a “Crook” is Just a Badge Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jun 11 2020 1:49 utc | 60 karlof1 #22
Thanks for that fascinating post karlof1, I suspect that in the early 1900’s those USA scientists collaborating and learning alongside Pavlov’s experimental lab were also developing theories of social control and practising various stimulus on animals and perhaps people. It is very important to remember that Pavlov spent three decades and more exploring the ways conditional reflexes could be created, refined and nullified. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2020 1:54 utc | 61 coroners and medical examiners have probably limited investigations out of fear of getting infected and overwork. I’d suggest the decline is more to underreporting, especially as authorities are on the defensive over lockdowns destroying economy and lives and seek to grasp news that minimize the adverse effects. Posted by: Kay Fabe | Jun 11 2020 2:00 utc | 62 “This thread’s unofficial topic of police, policing, law, justice, and culture led me to do some further research,” Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 11 2020 2:03 utc | 63 https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-chaz/ Posted by: mr punch | Jun 11 2020 2:09 utc | 64 Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:34 utc | 56: Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 11 2020 2:14 utc | 65 Under president Xi Jinping Chinese imperialism to the south and west increases: Doklam in 2017, Pangong Lake in 2020: https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1190889.shtml Posted by: Antonym | Jun 11 2020 2:38 utc | 66 @450.org and karlof1 Posted by: Alpi | Jun 11 2020 2:47 utc | 67 Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2020 1:09 utc | 58 so in a way, we’re still feeling the affects of the Civil War as we’re exploited by a not altogether new sort of Carpetbagger that arrived on the scene in the late 1970s and continues to feast on the body politic. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 2:50 utc | 68 bevin @ Jun11 0:05 # 45 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 11 2020 2:53 utc | 69 Richard Steven Hack @ Jun11 0:13 # 47
I think you do yourself a disservice with the radical Transhumanist moniker. In the 60’s they called for much the same thing: “raising consciousness”, enlightened POV, and “transcending/transcendent” understanding. Such a call is essentially returning to humanism, while a capital-focused mindset is what is “trans-human”. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 11 2020 3:07 utc | 70 450.org #55 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2020 3:09 utc | 71 Antonym #66
The belt is for flogging idiot Indian Generals who deliberately provoke China by constructing fortifications on the Chinese land beyond the border as stated in the story you linked to. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2020 3:30 utc | 72 Meanwhile, in India, the world’s largest Hindutva Empire … sorry… liberal democracy, a barely concealed humanitarian nightmare unfolds–particularly against its lower castes–with nary a peep of “human rights” protest from its Anglo-American allies. Posted by: ak74 | Jun 11 2020 3:41 utc | 73 @59 Thank you S. Great piece of writing by Ajit Singh. I particularly enjoyed Joshua Wong’s mental acrobatics. He obviously doesn’t want to lose the support of young Western progressives but he can’t be too critical of Trump. Posted by: dh | Jun 11 2020 3:43 utc | 74 Just wondering how many here would votes for Hillary Clinton come 3 Nov? Posted by: JC | Jun 11 2020 3:44 utc | 75 Desperate empire reduced to counting cars in Wuhan to keep beating the dead “Covid-19 came from China” horse. Posted by: JW | Jun 11 2020 4:25 utc | 77 Following the surrender of the East Precinct of the Seattle Police Department to an Antifa mob and the occupation of Seattle City Hall, a source on the ground in Seattle says that other police precincts around the city are preparing to be the next targets. Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 4:28 utc | 78 Gone with the Wind has been taken off HBO Max following calls for it to be removed from the US streaming service. Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 4:40 utc | 79 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 11 2020 3:07 utc | 70 In the 60’s they called for much the same thing: “raising consciousness”, enlightened POV, and “transcending/transcendent” understanding.
Wikipedia makes a more explicit definition:
I found another article that describes Lighthall’s conception of the term:
So while humanism may have been the original intent of the term as used by Huxley, it has been appropriated by Transhumanists as essentially meaning the only way to achieve real change is by transcending the human condition – which means transcending human nature, which in turn means transcending the human body and brain. Specifically, the intent is to eliminate normal aging and biological death. The most important work in this vein is Alan Harrington’s “The Immortalist”, which describes how “death is the root of all evil.”
Where the “radical” comes in is mostly my addition. I fuse individualist anarchism with Transhumanism. I reject AI and so-called “uploading” as a solution to the problem. In my view, the purpose of AI research is to figure out how to change human brains to have the capability of AI – *without* having to create separate AI entities. That topic is beyond discussion here. I do agree that social and religious issues could derail the achievement of immortality and ascension to a “post-human” existence, although there is no guarantee that will happen. What is guaranteed is that governments and societies will *try*. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 4:43 utc | 80 You’ve lost your blog b. Been reading daily for years, maybe I’ll check in again in a few months. Posted by: Netizen | Jun 11 2020 4:51 utc | 81 US military tried to block Russian military police Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 4:55 utc | 82 @mr punch 64 Posted by: Benjamin | Jun 11 2020 4:56 utc | 83 Thank you, Activist Potato @ 63, well said, all of it. Posted by: juliania | Jun 11 2020 4:57 utc | 84 Mao | Jun 11 2020 4:28 utc | 78:
So, Cascadia? LOL Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 11 2020 5:09 utc | 85 Coronavirus was brought into the UK on at least 1,300 separate occasions, a major analysis of the genetics of the virus shows. Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 5:11 utc | 86 Bannon: “Many aspects of Floyd’s murder are driven by the CCP [Communist Party of China]. We know from the autopsy he had Covid-19, which came from the CCP. His system also had fentanyl which the CCP pushes through cartels in the Midwest. Floyd passed counterfeit money. All these come from Beijing.” Posted by: occupatio | Jun 11 2020 5:14 utc | 87 Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 11 2020 5:09 utc | 85 Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 5:16 utc | 88 actually, it’s worth skimming this piece by Bannon, because it touches on a larger geopolitical understanding. that is, if you peel away the elaborate spin and conspiracy theory falsehoods (which Bannon himself knows are fake), you can figure out the real narrative that drives white nationalists like Bannon and the Trump administration. Posted by: occupatio | Jun 11 2020 5:19 utc | 89 Posted by: occupatio | Jun 11 2020 5:19 utc | 89 This is basically the Brzezinski doctrine about who controls the world continent of “Eurasia.” Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 5:52 utc | 90 President Donald Trump’s campaign is demanding CNN retract and apologize for a recent poll that showed him well behind presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 6:13 utc | 91 Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 6:13 utc | 91 President Donald Trump’s campaign is demanding CNN retract and apologize for a recent poll that showed him well behind presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 6:32 utc | 92 @occupatio | Jun 11 2020 5:19 utc | 89 Posted by: Vintage Red | Jun 11 2020 6:46 utc | 93 @Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 5:52 utc | 90 Posted by: Vintage Red | Jun 11 2020 6:56 utc | 94 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 0:13 utc | 47 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 11 2020 7:09 utc | 95 occupatio @ 87 Posted by: sad canuck | Jun 11 2020 7:09 utc | 96 I watched ‘this week tonight’ about the police and I thought it was good. Brilliant description of Joe Biden as “Joe Biden, the ‘Getting shot in the leg instead of the heart’ candidate”. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jun 11 2020 7:13 utc | 97 Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 11 2020 7:09 utc | 95 As if “transhumanism” isn’t a pipedream (sometimes referred to as philosophy) that is also likely to founder on the nature of humanity. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 11 2020 8:28 utc | 98 Very interesting article by Alastair Crooke. Posted by: Down South | Jun 11 2020 8:57 utc | 99 The nearly complete corruption of the U.S. republican form of government has largely come about due to the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court in January 2010 that basically permitted unlimited donor-spending on political campaigns based on the principle that providing money, normally through a political action committee (PAC), is a form of free speech. The decision paved the way for agenda-driven plutocrats and corporations to largely seize control of the formulation process for certain policies being promoted by the two national parties. Posted by: Mao | Jun 11 2020 10:10 utc | 100 |
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