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June 05, 2020

Little Was Changed By The First Round of The Civil Wars Of 2020

The first round of the civil wars of 2020 seems to be over. It did not change much.

Unjustifiable police violence against one man was documented on video. This enabled the issue to spread. Protest, first local then nationwide and even internationally, followed. The police reacted to it with more unjustifiable police violence. This was again documented on video -  one collection of these now has 282 entries - and spread further.

The police did not exclude the media from its attacks as it usually does. It even seemed to especially target these. That again amplified the echo of its violence.

Thus the police and its supporters have lost the argument.

In parallel to the protests some looting happened. President Trump and many other 'law and order' people saw the violence against property as a more important issue that the police violence against people - especially against people of color.

Trump reacted by calling up the military and a myriad of federal police forces to 'dominate the battlespace' of Washington DC and other cities.

They cleared a peace- and lawful demonstration from Lafayette Square near the White House for a photo-op. The move was illegal but will likely have no legal consequences.

Five well known retired 4-star generals, Dempsey, Kelly, Mullen, Mattis, Allen, protested against the proposed abuse of the military. The active commander of pacific air forces, a 4-star African-American, published a moving video with his thoughts on the issue. On this the military is not on Trump's side.

Thus Trump and his supporters have lost the argument.

That the police and Trump lost their arguments unfortunately does not mean that anything within the U.S. will change.

The military will not correct the issues the situation exposed. Political corruption at the federal as well as the local level is bipartisan and too engrained:

Cuomo, his party and New York’s legislative leaders have raked in more than $1 million from police unions as they have refused to enact a bill proponents say would deter police violence.

Opposition candidate Joe Biden responded to the issue of institutionalized racism with a dog whistle comment: Joe Biden says '10-15%' of Americans 'are just not very good people'. Well of course not. Some 13% of U.S. citizens are black. Given Biden's racist history - supporting segregation, writing the crime bill, lying about marching with the civil rights movement etc. - it is highly unlikely that he chose that range by chance. There is zero evidence that he would change a thing.

The protests will soon die down. But the divide within the U.S. public will only deepen. Trump voters will call themselves the 'Trump Army' and wear the camouflage 'Keep America Great' hat to fight the 'Liberal MOB'. Liberals will respond with pro-black gestures but without follow up actions. Writing 'black lives matter' on a DC street or changing the name of a place does nothing for blacks when the police can continue as before. Racist attacks in the U.S. will only increase.

What has changed is the public image of the U.S. throughout the world. Years of careful branding and propaganda have been put to waste. No U.S. ambassador can now express concerns about police violence in a foreign country without being laughed at. The U.S. has been put on crisis watch and in my estimate will stay there for quite a while.

The current economic situation makes it certain that the civil war continues. The next round is likely to be more violent. The empire is sinking in front of our eyes.

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The Science of Superspreaders
A fraction of infected people trigger the bulk of new cases, one reason the pandemic is far from over

Meanwhile, the protests happening in this convulsed nation, with people often shoulder to shoulder, set the stage for new chains of infections. Any shouting, along with sneezing and coughing (perhaps in reaction to pepper spray) will spread the virus especially easily. “All things considered, there’s little doubt that these protests will translate into increased risk of transmission for Covid-19,” Maimuna Majumder, an epidemiologist at Boston Children’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School, tells The Atlantic.

Putting an exact number on the impact of superspreaders is nearly impossible, since not all cases are ever traced back to any original source. The going best estimate is that 20% of infected people are responsible for 80% of onward infections, says William Hanage, associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Some evidence suggests as few as 10% of people trigger 80% of ongoing infections, Hanage told reporters in a recent teleconference.

Three separate studies have suggested the 20/80 ratio. A study of Hong Kong cases reached that conclusion and also found that 70% of people who contracted Covid-19 didn’t spread it at all.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 5:01 utc | 101

@25 & @27 & @51 & @69

I think NemesisCalling nails it here best of all, with keen nuances. I can't hear the sax without thinking of Bill Clinton, Mr. Mass Incarceration himself, playing on Saturday Night Live, and seducing black America and its turncoat elite, including Obama, for the next two decades of neoliberal ruin. The malcontribution to American black society of its entertainment and sports aristocracy could be fat treatise. So nice to see James Baldwin getting at the heart of things in his 1965 lecture.

Sorry, Antifa and its KKK tactics – beating people up, trashing the homes of academics, shutting down discussion on campus – speak for themselves. Goons hardly better than their sworn opponents.

Some items worth reading: > see comment taking her down

@69 - The Verso ebooks on policing are free if you register an account. You have to pick ebook only, not paired with paperback.

Posted by: gwilliard | Jun 6 2020 5:12 utc | 102

Posted by: gwilliard | Jun 6 2020 5:12 utc | 99 @69 - The Verso ebooks on policing are free if you register an account. You have to pick ebook only, not paired with paperback.

Ok, thanks.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 5:15 utc | 103

@norecovery | Jun 5 2020 23:48 utc | 64

Anyone familiar with the Church Committee hearings knows that government agencies use agent provocateurs to corrupt movements from within. Knowing that doesn't prove any of the claims made herein. Without evidence it's all speculation. Speculation can be fun but when it gets taken seriously we have idiots shaping the narrative.

Posted by: anonymous | Jun 6 2020 5:15 utc | 104

gwilliard | Jun 6 2020 5:12 utc | 99

"Antifa and its KKK tactics..."

You are not describing antifascists. Check your history. Antifascists are a public response to fascists. When the Klan marches so do the antifascists. Looting, property destruction not related to direct fascist activities, vandalism and suppression of speech by anyone other than fascists is not in the antifascist playbook. Either you believe everything you see on TV or you're describing idiots, not antifascists.

Posted by: anonymous | Jun 6 2020 5:25 utc | 105

I an amazed, but not surprised, that some older generation militarists are pushing for a coup d‘’Etta in US:

The die has been cast:
For the descendants of the original invaders of these shores, the whole “constitutionality” is makeup for a masquerade. There is a reason the Southern gunslingers were subjugated in 1865 by the “hapless” Northern city slikkers. This is the third century that the LOOSERS’ descendants lamented/lament that humiliation. They need another beating & we need a purge of the entite police and military judging by the current developments.

Answer to the right-wingers is not less police but more policing of them, instead of the current pretorian guard policing us.
It is laughable to “wait in the reserve”! The Master Race has been loosing too many wars since piggy bagging on the Red Army in WWII. They can’t even beat a “bunch of uncivilized natives” no more & have turned their anger inwards. They learned to play cowboy and Indian in the woods, for a life profession and have been left behind in this modern world. “The Deplorables/Dispossessed or مستضعفين can’t build anything and would rather bring us & themselves all down, instead of be left heft behind.

Nothing should prevent the likes of Green Barret Colonel Lang, from going to support the WH right now. But the old wise monied men, lead from behind, inflaming and nudging on the disposable foot soldiers, in support of the Praetorians’ attempt of an internal coup,
They are mightily frustrated, now that even in Venezuela the Empire’s coup fails?

MAGA-leaders are leading from behind (likes of Col. Lang being used to train the Hmong to massacre the Vietnamese) inflaming and nudging on the Christian Fascists.

The dice had been cast a few decades ago and the militarists lost all their little wars since WWII (when they piggybacked on the Red Army), to an extent that they can’t even beat a “bunch of uncivilized natives” abroad no more. They have turned their frustration & anger inwards.
The Deplorables/Dispossessed or مستضعفين can’t build anything and would rather bring us & themselves all down, instead of be left behind, even if only in relative terms.

How the mighty have fallen

Posted by: Amir | Jun 6 2020 5:57 utc | 106

karlof1 @ 12 -- "What's occurred is the biggest act of FRAUD in history, dwarfing the previous FRAUD of 2007-09, and those that came before. What the FRAUD enabled was the transfer of assets and a mountain of debt. BigLie Media continues doing its job led by the biggest liars of all--the financial press."

Never before has the whole world being shut down, not even during WW2.

GFC1 opened my eyes. This year's GFC2 simply confirms the FRAUD of Big Money. These people -- those who desire to own the whole world if they can -- first get the FED to print trillions of USDs on the Covid19 pretext. They win bigly. Americans lose bigly. Then they buy up shares on the stock exchange to sell later on to the FED who has already signalled their willingness. They win again. Americans lose again. This is not capitalism, but FRAUD.

Meanwhile, the presstitudes willingly lie away -- wink wink -- just for the next pay check.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jun 6 2020 6:09 utc | 107

vk @ 14 -- ".... the USG has just torched circa USD 10 trn just to keep the status quo somewhat intact..."

In other words, the US elite has spent 10 trillion USDs to buy back the status quo which was about to vaporise in October 2019.

Back in 2009 during GFC1, they spent trillions to buy the status quo for the same super-rich crowd.

How long will this GFC2 bail-out last? and how many more trillions will the GFC3 bail-out cost?

Meanwhile, the poor Americans will have to work harder ( remember Horse in George Orwell's 'Animal Farm'? ) to pay the "public" debt -- debt that served not americanus boobus, but the super rich, who may not all be Americans after all.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jun 6 2020 6:29 utc | 108

karlof1 | Jun 5 2020 19:06 utc @ 7

And then there’s this:

The George Floyd Show

JUN 1 2020

Think Floyd

Christopher SpiveyLet’s talk some more about Covid-19.

Only joking, in fact I would imagine that you are as fed up as me about that old fanny, so luckily enough we have a new red-flag event to look at… I am of course talking about ‘the killing of Georgie’

However, before I start I will remind you that all of these fake ‘happenings’ are shrouded in “conspiracy theories”, started by the perpetrators themselves in order to lead anyone looking too closely at the event away from the trail of truth… Understand?

Of course you fucking do.

Moreover, the ‘official’ narratives of any red flag fraud always have conflicting reports on the event which makes it harder still for anyone looking into the case to find out the real truth.

So let’s start with the initial arrest of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police .
And straight away there are conflicting reports as to why Floyd was arrested.
I mean, nearly a week after the incident happened, no cunt still seems to know exactly what crime was committed although the general consensus is that Floyd tried to buy goods with a counterfeit $20 bill:

It began with a report of a fake $20 (£16.20) bill.
A report was made on the evening of 25 May, when Mr Floyd bought a pack of cigarettes from Cup Foods, a grocery store.
Believing the $20 bill he used to be counterfeit, a store employee reported it to police… Source

However, according to the scum newspaper, Floyd was arrested for Cheque Fraud:
That day officers responded to a call from a grocery store that claimed Mr Floyd had used a forged cheque.
In a statement released by the Minneapolis Police Department, the officers were responding to a report of a “forgery in progress“… Source

Nevertheless, the fake $20 Dollar bill seems to be a more likely scenario since no one tries to commit cheque fraud in shops these days.

Which brings us to the 2nd anomaly. You see, having made his purchase, Floyd then casually walked across the road to his car, where he sat calmly until the police arrived… Which is strange, because the normal reaction after someone has committed a crime is to get the fuck out of the area ASAP.

Stranger still, is the fact that the police turned up at all, never mind so promptly just for the sake of a forged banknote!

Posted by: pogohere | Jun 6 2020 6:32 utc | 109

A quick summary:

NemesisCalling: no racism, only BLM and Antifa stirring the pot

RSH: Until/unless there is a smoking gun, its irresponsible to discuss suspicious events.

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- Antifa appears to have been used to associate the protests with organized violence. Who are they? Who funds them? Some have (rightly, imo) questioned if they are meant to spoil protest instead of fight fascism.

- The attempt to change the narrative away from racial issues and economic fairness to policing issues is very clear - as is the benefits to the establishment of doing so.

- If the young women (Dounya Zayer) had spit on the officer, she would risk arrest for assault or worse.

DOJ Just Warned That Intentional Spread of COVID-19 Could Be Terrorism — What It Means

- IMO during these protesters there are very few instances of a reporter catching blatant, horrifying police brutality on camera. Generally, the source of police misconduct videos has been cell-phone video taken by protesters.

- Many ignore the fact that the problem is not just police brutality and/or racism but a system that protects the police. Those who defend that system make a deliberate and concerted effort to portray the system as fundamentally fair and just.

- Nemesis' comments over many days have demonstrated exactly how the establishment is trying to sideline the protests using classic tactics like blaming shifting and deflection. The chilling upshot: NO substantive change is acceptable to the establishment.

- When a nation has the kind of severe wealth inequality that exists in USA, the nature of policing changes from public service to hired gun. At that point, it is irresponsible NOT to speculate about 'conspiracies' to maintain the police state.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 6 2020 6:32 utc | 110

Let’s say you’re in a crowded cafeteria, and you buy a cup of tea. And as you’re about to sit down you see your friend way across the room. So you put the tea down and walk across the room and talk to your friend for a few minutes. Now, coming back to your tea, are you just going to pick it up and drink it? Remember, this is a crowded place and you’ve just left your tea unattended for several minutes. You’ve given anybody in that room access to your tea.

Why should your mind be any different? Turning on the TV, or uncritically absorbing mass publications every day – these activities allow access to our minds by “just anyone” – anyone who has an agenda, anyone with the resources to create a public image via popular media. As we’ve seen above, just because we read something or see something on TV doesn’t mean it’s true or worth knowing. So the idea here is, like the tea, perhaps the mind is also worth guarding, worth limiting access to it.

This is the only life we get. Time is our total capital. Why waste it allowing our potential, our scope of awareness, our personality, our values to be shaped, crafted, and boxed up according to the whims of the mass panderers? There are many important issues that are crucial to our physical, mental, and spiritual well-being which require time and study. If it’s an issue where money is involved, objective data won’t be so easy to obtain. Remember, if everybody knows something, that image has been bought and paid for.

Real knowledge takes a little effort, a little excavation down at least one level below what “everybody knows.”


The Doors of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything
– Tim O’Shea

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 7:01 utc | 111

Tiananmen’s Tank Man: Setting the Record Straight
by Jeff J. Brown

Every 4 June, a famous photo from 1989 is splashed all over the world, as a symbol against Chinese “totalitarianism” and “bloodthirsty brutality”. You know the one I’m talking about, Tank Man. It is flaunted like a Western talisman to celebrate “freedom” and “rebellion” in the face of “communist-socialist tyranny”.

Nonetheless, like all the disinformation by the Big Lie Propaganda Machine (BLPM), you’ve been blatantly brainwashed for 31 long years. Many media lies are perpetrated by omission. A truth untold is a lie, and Tank Man tops the list.


I always feel very safe and relaxed when I’m in democratic China. When I go back to the United States, I’m scared to death to get pulled over by the cops and know that I can be shot on a whim, with little to no recourse. It’s rapidly reaching that point in my other country, France. The contempt and loathing that the West’s aristocratic 1% has had and continues to harbor since Ancient Greece know no bounds. For them, we – the 99% – have always been subhumans.

Confucism-Daoism-Buddhism-Communism-Socialism is diametrically opposed to fascism.

And that, my friends, makes all the difference. Tank Man lived to tell his story.

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 7:14 utc | 112

Marine Corps bans public display of confederate flag
The new guidelines were being shared with all marines and also posted on Twitter.

NFL condemns racism, apologizes for not listening to players' earlier protests about racial injustice


AmeriKKKa F**KED. This is the real start of American-style perestroika. The only question remains. Will all current and subsequent events lead to the collapse of the United States, how the Gorbachev perestroika DID lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union?

Posted by: Francis | Jun 6 2020 7:53 utc | 113

karlof1 @ 38 -- ".... the Looters are hoarding their booty is what that illustrates."

Yuppp, when you get your mates down at the FED to increase the number of USDs by the trillions, it follows that the value of each USD must fall, given that at any point in time, the amount of stuff that can be bought -- stocks, property, factories, politicians, police, think tanks, things -- remains relatively constant. They call it inflation. I call it devaluation of the USD.

The super rich then need to defend against the devaluation which they themselves aided and abetted by keeping one step ahead of the debt slaves -- they invest. When the newly printed USDs come to hand, first you park the booty in stocks, a sure bet cos the FEDs will buy from you in a while. You win twice that way.

Then, when economic carnage wreaks enough havoc, you pick up stuff ( see above ) for pennies on the dollar. Works every time.

But the elites don't think of it as hoarding. They call it win-win with western characteristcs.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jun 6 2020 8:19 utc | 114

Richard Steven Hack #95

Have you ever considered that you might be responding to an AI provocateur in these matters. There is a pattern of provocative engagement that others have responded to in like manner.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 6 2020 9:31 utc | 115

Mao @ 109 -- "Tiananmen’s Tank Man: Setting the Record Straight" by Jeff J. Brown

Jeff Brown is a must-read for those who do not know how much they have been lied to.

That "tank man" foto is as fake as the "moon landing" fotos.

If the US "leadership" can lie in the past about JFK, 9/11, Libya, Syria, Hong Kong, what else are they lying about to us today?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jun 6 2020 9:35 utc | 116

Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom

A peaceful man who just wanted to shake hands with Police officers, a gesture of respect, was pushed to the ground, smashed his head on the concrete, blood coming from his ears, unconscious, and Police just keeps walking like nothing happened. Insane USA.


Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 9:43 utc | 117

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jun 6 2020 9:35 utc | 113

Jeff Brown is a must-read for those who do not know how much they have been lied to.


The Truth about Tiananmen’s Tank Man Time to set the Record Straight China Rising Radio Sinoland


Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 9:54 utc | 118

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 9:43 utc | 114

I suppose someone will call that "staged" as well...No doubt the blood was Hollywood fake...

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 9:55 utc | 119

“The World Cannot Breathe!” Squashed By The U.S. - A Country Built On Genocide And Slavery

More than two centuries of lies are now getting exposed. Bizarre tales about freedom and democracy are collapsing like houses of cards.

One man’s death triggers an avalanche of rage in those who for years, decades and centuries, have been humiliated, ruined, and exterminated.

It always happens just like this throughout the history of humankind – one single death, one single “last drop”, an occurrence that triggers an entire chain of events, and suddenly nothing is the same, anymore. Nothing can be the same. What seemed to be unimaginable just yesterday, becomes “the new normal” literally overnight.


For more than two centuries, the country which calls itself the pinnacle of freedom, has been in fact the absolute opposite of that; the epicenter of brutality and terror.

From its birth, in order to ‘clear the space’ for its brutal, ruthless European settlers, it systematically liquidated the local population of the continent, during what could easily be described as one of the more outrageous genocides in the human history.

When whites wanted land, they took it. In North America, or anywhere in the world. In what is now the United States of America, millions of “natives” were murdered, infected with deadly diseases on purpose, or exterminated in various different ways. The great majority of the original and rightful owners of the land, vanished. The rest were locked up in “reservations”.

Simultaneously, the “Land Of The Free” thrived on slavery. European colonialist powers literally hunted down human beings all over the African continent, stuffing them, like animals, into ships, in order to satisfy demand for free labor on the plantations of North and South America. European colonialist, hand in hand, cooperated, in committing crimes, in all parts of the world.

What really is the United States? Is anyone asking, searching for its roots? What about this; a simple, honest answer: The United States is essentially the beefy offspring of European colonialist culture, of its exceptionalism, racism and barbarity.

Again, simple facts: huge parts of the United States were constructed on slavery. Slaves were humiliated, raped, tortured, murdered. Oh, what a monstrous way to write the first chapters of the country’s history!

The United States, a country of liberty and freedom? For whom? Seriously! For Christian whites?

How twisted the narrative is! No wonder our humanity has become so perverse, so immoral, so lost and confused, after being shaped by a narrative which has been fabricated by a country that exterminated the great majority of its own native sons and daughters, while getting insanely rich thanks to unimaginable theft, mass-murder, slavery and later – the semi-slavery of the savage corporate dictatorship!

The endemic, institutionalized brutality at home eventually spilled over to all parts of the planet. Now, for many decades, the United Stated has treated the entire world as full of its personal multitude of slaves. What does it offer to all of us: constant wars, occupations, punitive expeditions, coups, regular assassinations of progressive leaders, as well as thorough corporate plunder. Hundreds of millions of people have been sacrificed on the grotesque U.S. altar of “freedom” and “democracy”.

Freedom and democracy, really?

Or perhaps just genocide, slavery, fear and the violation of all those wonderful and natural human dreams, and of human dignity?

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 10:00 utc | 120

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 6 2020 6:32 utc | 107 IMO during these protesters there are very few instances of a reporter catching blatant, horrifying police brutality on camera. Generally, the source of police misconduct videos has been cell-phone video taken by protesters.

That's because there are way more cell phone cameras in private hands than cameramen.

"When a nation has the kind of severe wealth inequality that exists in USA, the nature of policing changes from public service to hired gun. At that point, it irresponsible NOT to speculate about 'conspiracies' to maintain the police state."

So it's smart to create *new* conspiracies which *themselves* can be used to deflect, distract, and confuse the issue?

Everyone here (with a brain) *knows* the state is involved in using the cops as hired guns. Everyone here (with a brain) *knows* that the elites are using the economy to enrich themselves and take all the money from everyone else they possibly can.

That the *electorate* does *not* know these things is *not* going to change because *we* discuss even *more* conspiracy theories and run down even *more* rabbit holes based on *pure, evidence-less speculation.*

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 10:07 utc | 121

And I did *not* say "smoking gun". I said *evidence* - as in *smething* - except someone's pure speculation he dragged out of his ass.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 10:08 utc | 122

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 6 2020 9:31 utc | 112 Have you ever considered that you might be responding to an AI provocateur in these matters. There is a pattern of provocative engagement that others have responded to in like manner.

Yup. And I fall for it every time. If it wasn't for the fact that I know what the limits of AI are (hell, I remember interacting with one of the first language parsing programs, Joseph Weizenbaum’s ELIZA - or an equivalent - which I used to easily trick into repeating itself, thereby ruining its alleged ability to pass the Turing Test), I might buy that some of these characters are nothing but bots.

I think most of them, however, are people whose brains are so rotted by paranoia that they might as well be bots. Or people with such agendas that it's the same thing. Or as someone suggested I was, simply astroturfers.

I'd say simply trolls, but then I'd be accused of calling people trolls too often. And then they'd just accuse me of being one.

See how Internet discourse works?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 10:17 utc | 123

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 10:00 utc | 117

İnteresting though, that the two involved in the pushing did seem to want to do something, but were apparently disuaded by the others.

The one with the stick bent down to look at the man, but then looked up as if someone told him to keep moving. The one who pushed stopped and turned around partially lifting his visor, but then seemed to not to know what to do, and turned and kept moving.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 6 2020 10:19 utc | 124

Almost 3:30 here. I gotta go eat some popcorn and watch some TV before finally crashing. Later.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 10:21 utc | 125

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 9:43 utc | 114

According to multiple reports, all 57 members of the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team have resigned from the team as a show of support for the two officers who were suspended Thursday night.

The officers have not resigned from their regular jobs on the force.

Thursday night's incident in Niagara Square put 75-year old Martin Gugino in the hospital after he was pushed to the ground by two officers. Both were later suspended without pay.

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 10:49 utc | 126

we can, now, sense that those who are generating & orchestrating this universal mayhem are undergoing a long-planned script: scatter chaos & wars all over allies & foes in order to preserve "some" value to the "printed" Himalayas of fiat-money-based fortunes. in the last past 6 weeks, the Judeo-Talmudo-Zionist banksters ransacked the US Treasury some 5 Trillion dollars under the guise of "saving the nation", aka, "protection racket" or "preserving the status of the Dollar" as an international reserve currency by the Jewish-controlled Central Banks of ECB & the Jewish satrapy of the City of London.

Posted by: hamparsoum agop toro | Jun 6 2020 11:29 utc | 127

This site feels like infowars for the loony left. Rioters, looters, thugs and general criminals rampaging through streets, doing stuff that would have me in prison for the rest of my life and not being arrested, and it's the PO POs fault. A lot of the commenters are clearly mentally ill.

Stick to foreign policy. Otherwise you are out of your element.

Posted by: Mike tallens | Jun 6 2020 11:51 utc | 128

The mental illness that Americans suffer from at the moment, is brought about by a dellusional sense of grandeur.
A result of living and breathing a life time of Hollywood fiction / propergander.
Americans always think their the good guy even when clearly their not ! resulting in the present lack of empathy and Insight all to apparent at the moment!
Humans being a varied lot, the above of course is a generalisation.
Note how this thread has subtly been diverted from police violence! And toward - well enything we can think of.

You employ police officers out of tax payers money to ‘ENFORCE THE LAW’ AND ‘KEEP THE PEACE’
Stop there wages. Sack them ! prosecute them ! On just the evidence of the recent police violence. Let’s all get back to sanity.
This whole present situation has nothing repeat nothing to do with black people.

This IS the problem ———

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 6 2020 12:17 utc | 129

Stick to foreign policy. Otherwise you are out of your element.

Posted by: Mike tallens | Jun 6 2020 11:51 utc | 128

News flash: for b, this is foreign policy. And the same people want to attack Iran and unleash airborne divisions upon American cities, e.g. Sen. Cotton.

Second news flash: "Rioters, looters, thugs and general criminals rampaging through streets, doing stuff that would have me in prison for the rest of my life" were and are supported by USA and Atlanticist allies in many countries, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Ukraine, the list is long, and now "Four chicken are riding home to roost" (to paraphrase a fellow commenter).


Very loosely related comment: a member of 95 Airborne Brigade of Ukraine, on duty guarding the border with "Russian-controlled Crimea", surrendered. The logo of the brigade is an eagle dropping down on a parachute. Mixed metaphors are weaponized.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 6 2020 12:30 utc | 130

In front of the overwhelming criticism both in US and around the world on police state fasist methods, Esper and Pentagon make a u-turn to "cuqui-fascism"....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 6 2020 12:37 utc | 131

Looks like a setup to wipe out Trump from the white house.

Posted by: fayez chergui | Jun 6 2020 12:38 utc | 132

...the problem is the supranational elite don't care where their cruelty lands. they don't recognize borders, and there are metrics to achieve, populations to depopulate dontchya know.

South Africa is a prime example of this maxim. It's a hellhole. And yet the elite, by and large, still rule the roost even though the roost has changed its shade of lipstick. Under the guise of hope & change, the elite in America, keeping in mind the elite are a culture that transcends race and nation, would be perfectly fine with turning America into a version of South Africa and call it liberation.

This is not apologia for Apartheid. Apartheid rightfully was put asunder. But the solution was, and has been, diabolical and terrible for the people of South Africa, black and white alike. It was an insurrection and revolution ultimately based on race first and not class. Just as the elite intended. Race is a powerful weapon the elite use to fragment and fracture the unwashed. It's a collaboration buster. It eviscerates solidarity. Collaboration and solidarity are the necessary ingredients for a successful revolution and unfortunately they are apparently rare earth elements due in large part to the malevolent machinations of the extractive wealthy elite.

This article from The Atlantic sheds light on it but it doesn't go far enough. It's a global class war because the elite are global parasites enslaving humanity to destroy the planet at break-neck speed. It's as though the elite are aliens from another galaxy sent here to destroy this planet. They are that inimical to life indigenous to this planet.

Unless and until any and all opposition collectively and concomitantly see this and frame it as a class war, nothing substantial will ever manifest to stem the bleed-out and turn the tide.

How Apartheid Haunts a New Generation of South Africans

For the born frees, the root of the disparity is in the compromises between the ANC and apartheid authorities. Adam Habib, the vice chancellor of Wits, said that the hoped-for “transformation” never came to pass. The end of apartheid, he said, failed to establish a social democracy, instead establishing “a very weak neo-liberalism.” While the government opened institutions up to black South Africans, its pro-market agenda—which struggled to reform race-based economic and social injustice—simply replicated the brutal reality of apartheid’s structural racism.

Like I said, this article is only half the story and as such, it's misleading. That's purposeful because The Atlantic, like most media, is owned by the extractive wealthy elite and it's not in their interests to be truthful about the matter so they dabble in half truths at best in an effort to misinform and disinform. Non-elite whites were sacrificed by the largely white extractive wealthy elite in South Africa. This is the same fate slated for the crackers who support Trump and all non-elite whites in America (the white protesters at these most recent protests for example) if the extractive wealthy elite have their druthers and they will.

Obama, America's symbolic Nelson Mandela, is not black in the truest sense of that word and has never represented black interests let alone the interests of the underclass. He was, and is, the first CIA POTUS from conception to death and resurrection. He represents this (the linked pic below), not us, and "us" MUST transcend color, culture and gender, nay all the fabricated classifications that divide us rather than unite us against our occupiers.


Posted by: | Jun 6 2020 12:59 utc | 133

Here’s the way forward

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 6 2020 13:04 utc | 134

Considering Barr's cozy relationship with the BOP, so much so he solicited from their ranks to brutalize civilian demonstrators, does anyone doubt Barr was responsible for Epstein's assassination since it happened under his watch? Under his nose? The BOP is complicit in silencing Epstein, and Barr is responsible. My guess is a couple of these thugs/goons murdered Epstein as the temporary guards were either instructed to stand down or they were administered a drug that put them to sleep as the cameras were made inoperable for the time it took to murder Epstein and setting the stage to make it look like a suicide. If the temporary guards to were told to stand down, you can be sure they will die mysterious deaths in the next several years to close off that loose end.

Posted by: | Jun 6 2020 13:12 utc | 135

According to multiple reports, all 57 members of the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team have resigned from the team as a show of support for the two officers who were suspended Thursday night.

Further reports indicate Warren Wilhelm Jr. and Andrew Cuomo are in the process of recruiting these former Buffalo Soldiers for active duty on the streets of New York City. Is it lost on everyone that in many of these cities, the police forces are presided over by Dems and this violent occupying culture has flourished during their tenures? And yet somehow we're to believe the Dems are the answer to this? Truly Orwellian as pretty much everything is these days if it always wasn't.

I don't respect Shaun King nor would I ever promote his exploitation, but he's right to point this out. There is no way to justify this and rationalize it. It's truly mendacious.

Shaun King: 'Democrats, from top to bottom, are running the cities with the worst police brutality'

Think South Africa. Many of these Dem politicians are black.

Posted by: | Jun 6 2020 13:27 utc | 136

They win bigly. Americans lose bigly. Then they buy up shares on the stock exchange to sell later on to the FED who has already signalled their willingness. They win again. Americans lose again. This is not capitalism, but FRAUD. Meanwhile, the presstitudes willingly lie away -- wink wink -- just for the next pay check. by: kiwiklown @ 107

Stranger still, is the fact that the police turned up at all, never mind so promptly just for the sake of a forged banknote! by: pogohere @ 109

The Actors Guild; Antifa branch<= delivers choreographed violence anywhere in the world? I still question has their man Floyd, walked away.. ?

Pogohere asks "Who are they?"<= Are they the same who did this did this very play in the Ukraine? Sure looks like.. Language is a barrier to gathering that understanding, but look who just won the Democratic National nomination, same feller, I think who starred at Ukraine?

Pogowhere asks Who funds them? I think not clear is just like the CIA, they are self funded.. they rape, pillage and take just as soon as their external "regime change" is accomplished.. The public state is made private mercenary booty, they take [by privatization] the good parts from the victim economy to make the feudal kingdom stronger? People used to call these people types mafia or corporate mafia, and before that feudal lords, gangs, thugs ..

Pogowhere Some have (rightly, imo) questioned if they are meant to spoil protest instead of fight fascism. <=Fascism is a propaganda, its not real, its a classification of at type of violence conducted for the benefit of a class of private crime camouflaged team members, its publishing as public ( a nation state purpose) to excuse and hidden the private intention.

Pogowhere observes? - The attempt to change the narrative away from racial issues and economic fairness to policing issues is very clear - as is the benefits to the establishment of doing so.

Everyone remember the law of patents and copyrights are the state produced rule of law GLUE that converts Mafiosa, feudal lord activities and greed into state sanctioned legalized theft.. and the military the arm breaker, wait the military is placed all around, but if you look, you see the real damage in these satellite wars, is caused not by the state, but by mercenary armies that appear from nowhere? Smacks of control over armed state might protecting private enterprise gain against local resistance. . ..

finally Marshall law is activated to quell the discovery that private armies are the regime change vehicles,, that copyright and patent laws grant private ownership monopolies (just as the kings used to make feudal lords and large land grants(feudal estates) to those that raised and kept private armies to do the notorious public deeds when the king was at work stealing the peoples possessions, and using their manpower. It was easy for the Feudal kings to give away the people's share in the public domain (back then there were no fencing laws privatizing ownership in land ( land was a public good, everyone shared in its use, there were no fences), merely privatize it by rule of law, and divide it into parts, one for each of the feudal lords. Shared public wealth disappears, the people who lived on the land, are told they are trespassing, they must leave, their generations of home, and move into the crowded cities to work in the factories owned by the corporate privately feudal lords.

It was easy for the feudal kings to deny the people's access (privatize by rule of law) to those things which used to be public (enclosure acts beginning about 1688 (glorious revolution), today the monopoly power in private land, ownership of the inventions and writings of the publically educated minds of man, are made by copyright and patent laws into private monopolies, no one but the few can have access to the masses of knowledge humanity has stored, its all hidden from view, if you want a bit better life, you can get a PhD and get access to a bit of that knowledge but even you will be denied access to most of it. The PhD will get u a job, working for one of the feudal few.

History is more likely to expose these people and their organization than investigation of the
present institutions and immediate events, because the feudal(Nazis or whatever) control everything, and have used the nation state law making powers to convert everything public into private feudal packages, to be distributed to the feudal lords. The feudals use that control to deny any investigator or investigation. but the feudals cannot hide history, they cannot hide what they have done; it is visible all over the world since even before the 1688 glorious revolution.. Track not history as activities of the state ( it was not Russia that did this or that, it was not England that did this or that, but it was the East indies, or the West Indies corporations or the Dutch indies corporations or the earlier associations .. instead look at who funded the this or that, where did the Armies come from, which lawmaker (s) produced the state laws, raised the taxes that funded the armies, and bureaucraies that enabled the use of state money to engage domestic theft in in foreign lands (the state departments of the world).

Please lets pole our collective cultures, our difficult to access different languages, our knowledge of that history, which is fictional historical propaganda, and collective study this global human tragedy we are all living and finally beginning to discover has caused much of the human misery we have been forced to endure. Lets get to the bottom of who those few are, lets discover their methods, and expose their activities for what they really are, Crimes against humanity, with intentions to enslave the masses to mafia designs. We humans, owe it to our future generations to straighten this mess out we have gotten ourselves into, we must bring to justice those who have stolen our good peaceful life to satisfy the greed of those who are the Mafia.

Posted by: snake | Jun 6 2020 13:37 utc | 137

We produced two psychopaths who are now serving in Congress who served in the military, Tom Cotton and Green Beret Michael Waltz [by sending them to war zones?]

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jun 5 2020 18:45 utc | 1

There is a problem of nature vs nurture, psychopaths are well represented in both houses of Congress and in both parties, many of them with no military experience whatsoever:

The legislation is sponsored by Republican senator Ted Cruz of Texas and Democratic senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, along with Republicans John Barrasso, Tom Cotton and Ron Johnson. 

“While there were sceptics, the original sanctions legislation I authored with Senator Cruz was tremendously effective at thwarting the completion of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. We must now continue that effort and ensure that Russia does not surreptitiously extend its malign influence throughout Europe,” said Ms Shaheen.


According the the Democrat from New Hampshire, pipes for transporting natural gas can "surreptitiously extend malign influence". Seems like some mental problem, and scant military connections. Bio: "graduated from high school in Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania, and earned a bachelor's degree in English from Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania and a master's degree in political science from the University of Mississippi.[4] She taught high school in Mississippi[5] and moved to New Hampshire in 1973, where she taught school and, with her husband, owned a store that sold used jewelry."

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 6 2020 13:38 utc | 138

Posted by: Prof K | Jun 5 2020 19:39 utc | 13


Where's the Party?

Posted by: blindpig | Jun 6 2020 13:49 utc | 139

@Mike tallens Jun 6 2020 11:51 utc | 128

Your attitude towards the guests of the Moon Alabama bar has become clear. But can you provide a certificate from your psychiatrist that you are healthy and you can be entered without a muzzle?

Posted by: Haans | Jun 6 2020 13:56 utc | 140

Not sure what this means in terms of a revolution, but in my discussions with the gens d’ici, many many US people are buying up and hoarding weapons and ammunition. Much as they were a short while ago toilet paper. The consensus is among my friends, that, just as for the military in their foreign wars, there is no actual shortage of weapons and ammunition either. But that its long term value, even if left unused for extended periods of time, is more stable than for example gold silver paper oil or bitcoin.

It’s like whatever joy there is remaining on this earth is vanishing for sure.

Posted by: Geoff | Jun 6 2020 14:11 utc | 141

These vehicles are CIA. They have been spotted throughout Northern Virginia amidst the chaos. The CIA has quipped that those driving these vehicles don't have the legal authority to arrest you, but they do have the legal authority to kill you. All alphabet agencies exist to protect the extractive wealthy elite. There are no exceptions in this equation. They are goons and thugs every bit as much as the Pinkertons were goons and thugs. Scumbags. Malevolent miscreants. Enemies of the people. They serve & protect capital. Their goal is the enslavement of all humanity and the complete destruction of all life on this planet. Maximal suffering. Maximal exploitation.

Posted by: | Jun 6 2020 14:27 utc | 142

@ all Americans here

I would recommend you all to give up those crazy conspiracy theories. I know they give you warmth during the cold night, but the fact is there's no evidence whatsoever that infiltrators are the majority of the protesters.

What you're observing now is simply your bread-and-butter imperial decline. It happens in History, and you shouldn't feel guilt for pertaining to the generation that is witnessing it.


@ Posted by: lizard | Jun 6 2020 1:07 utc | 78

The problem with the kulaks/petite-bourgeoisie is that they are a drag to progress. They are a reactionary class that seeks to perpetuate misery in exchange for little.

As long as a system keeps depending on your local and decrepit grocery store, progress will never happen. It is only with the complete communalization of property (i.e. the extinction of private property) that humanity will be able to fully rationalize the resources of the planet and do great things (maybe even colonize the stars).

The USSR only got out of its economic misery when the proletariat finally decided it was time for the kulaks (medieval Russia's middle class) that it finally took off. The dekulakization of the USSR was one of the most revolutionary steps taken in Russia's History. It instantly catapulted the USSR from a semi-feudal country to a global superpower that sent the first artificial satellite and first man to space.

The same thing must happen in the USA and elsewhere. The petite-bourgeoisie is a cancer in humanity's core that must be extirpated.


It seems we're in Cold War III territory now:

On the Brink? Western Countries Launch New Anti-China Alliance

The Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China - made up of representatives from the UK, Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Australia, the European Union and the United States - has argued that international cooperation between them is necessary in order to combat what they say is the threat to democratic values presented by Beijing.


The group’s co-chairs are made up of, among others, US Republican Senator Marco Rubio and Democratic Senator Robert Menendez, former Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani, European Parliament foreign affairs committee member Miriam Lexmann and well-known UK Conservative member of parliament Iain Duncan Smith.

Who told you China isn't the bringer of peace? It's just united the rabid right and the woke left into one coalition!

Posted by: vk | Jun 6 2020 14:34 utc | 143

The George Floyd
Killing Was Faked

Chauvin and Floyd both worked as security guards at the same restaurant/ nightclub, El
Nuevo Rodeo, owned by a woman named Maya Santamaria. She had sold the place
within the last two months. Hmm. In an article posted by Fox News, from the Associated Press, She says
Chauvin got along well with the club's Latino regulars, but his tactics toward
unruly customers on what she referred to as "African American" nights led
her to speak to him about it. “I told him I thought this is unnecessary to be
pepper-sprayed. The knee-jerk reaction of being afraid, it seemed overkill,"
Santamaria said. "It was a concern and I did voice my opinion, but police offcers have a way of justifying what they do."
Right. Also very convenient for our narrative.
Miles: pause on that last yellow statement. It is a game ender. Chauvin and Floyd not
only knew eachother but worked together at the same job. It looks to me like they are
cousins, and their work history has mainly been faked. They are actors.
Let’s look and see what we can find on Ms. Santamaria.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 6 2020 14:49 utc | 144

Posted by: fayez chergui | Jun 6 2020 12:38 utc | 132

“If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.” -- Harry S. Truman

You need to follow Truman's strategy (or tactics?):

“If we see that Trump is winning we ought to help Biden and if Biden is winning we ought to help Trump, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Biden victorious under any circumstances.”

Posted by: Don | Jun 6 2020 14:52 utc | 145

From New York Times town hall: op-ed team pitched the piece TO Tom Cotton. Not the other way around

Ideology is a powerful tool...

...or it simply has deeper pockets.

Posted by: vk | Jun 6 2020 14:53 utc | 146

@93 lizard.... quote

"I'm sure you and many others will happily celebrate a US civil war. it's what we got coming, right?"

wrong... i would prefer a world at peace and people at peace... i am making observations though.. this reminds me of an earthquake tremor and a fairly serious one at that..

you think b has an agenda.. i never heard anything about b having an agenda when he was writing on syria, and any number of international events and dynamics... but when it comes to george floyds death and the repercussions, you think that b now has an agenda?? that doesn't sound right to me lizard... the backlog of emotions that this event has helped trigger are worthy of commentary from the rest of the world...

lizard quote - "supranational elite don't care where their cruelty lands." that sounds right to me.. it seems to me there is plenty to trigger more of this in the usa moving forward because as i see it the usa is a very volatile cocktail of energies that are running at cross purposes with each other... it might be similar in other places, but nowhere is it more pronounced then in the usa.. regardless - the system in place at present can't continue..

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2020 15:18 utc | 147

Richard Steven Hack | Jun6 9:55 @ 119

I suppose someone will call that "staged" as well...

It didn't look staged to me and it didn't look brutal. The officer pushed him back but not in a dramatic fashion. The officer shows concern by stopping to check on the guy after he fell but another officer, who appears to be his superior, directs him forward.

The shove in NYC was very different: much more dramatic and no concern was shown for her after she fell. The officer's superior witnesses the incident and does nothing. And Newsweek was there.

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Mao | Jun 6 2020 10:49 utc | 126

... the two officers who were suspended Thursday night.

Immediate suspension is what rightly happens when an officer appears to use excessive force.

AFAIK no action has been taken against the NYC officer that violently shoved Dounya Zayer for no apparent reason. Zayer was also hospitalized.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 6 2020 15:24 utc | 148

I’m against fascism
Yes I know ! Shocking isn’t it ?
How about you ? Sorry I didn’t quite here you👂👂🏿
So I’m not quite sure, becouse I’m against state violence against, against invading other country’s that makes me a criminal ?

No !

Posted by: Mark | Jun 6 2020 15:25 utc | 149

The problem with the kulaks/petite-bourgeoisie is that they are a drag to progress. They are a reactionary class that seeks to perpetuate misery in exchange for little.

The petite-bourgeoisie is a cancer in humanity's core that must be extirpated.

@Posted by: vk | Jun 6 2020 14:34 utc | 143

Tom Cotton in fact could be considered a kulak, as it was Yeltsin...Greed without measure from these, i na time of deep crisis, is what can lead a country to disaster....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 6 2020 15:45 utc | 150

Mao@117 - Not sure what to make of that video either way. It's certainly not hard to imagine the cops doing that, and they are trained (when moving in their magical jackboot lines of authority) to walk anyone they're not actively arresting, i.e., leave them to the other cops or medics following behind. I don't condone it and it looks really bad for the cops - just saying that that's how they are trained to do their line sweeps.

The 'old guy' is kind of interesting though. Some say he's holding a motorcycle helmet (could be) and some say it's a police riot helmet he was attempting to return to them (hard to tell, where did he get it? why return right at the start of the sweep?). The most interesting thing about him though is what he does with his cell phone just before getting shoved. He turns his attention to the second cop who approaches, and then the old guy appears to visibly wipe his cell phone back and forth across the forearm of the second cop. Like he was trying to wipe germs on him? Was that a smart-assed gesture along with a comment about social distancing? In any case, it's odd. The cop (actually all of them) seem to react to that and simultaneously shove the guy. Wiping a cell phone on a cop trying to get in your face? That's kind of funny and doesn't look like part of a staged act.

The most painful part to hear is in the second video (across the police line) when the guy hits the ground with an incredibly loud coconut-like 'thunk', presumably his skull striking the sidewalk. Except it's just way too loud to be that. We don't see what the guy was doing with the helmet on his way down, but the sound is more consistent with that helmet striking the big round traffic bollard. Dropping the helmet itself wouldn't make a sound that loud. Some of the crowd and camera person react with a shocked 'ooOOOhhhh..." although few seem to be looking in that direction. It's like they're reacting to the 'clunk' sound, rather than the event. Don't know what to make of that either. Seems like the sound was time-shifted a few frames forward or possible a few frames cut, making the clunk match up better with when his head *would* have hit the ground.

The old guy manages to hang on to his phone throughout the fall and even after striking the ground (!) but relaxes his grip after a few seconds and lets it sort of slide off the side of his leg. That's kind of a Hollywood way to lose consciousness from blunt-force trauma to the skull, especially if the blow was severe enough to fracture the skull and cause bleeding. You're either knocked unconscious immediately or you're not, you don't (generally) remain conscious for a few seconds before dozing off.

And I'm not an EMT or anything, but a concussion severe enough to cause someone to bleed out of their ear? That guy would be seriously screwed up, as in brain dead. AP reported:

"...The mayor, Byron Brown, said in a statement that the man, who hasn’t been publicly identified, was in serious condition. A hospital official said he was “alert and oriented,” Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz tweeted Friday morning..."

Serious condition? Like brain dead? Later (from Boston Herald)

[Martin] Gugino is a retiree who lives by himself in the area, say friends who describe him as a veteran peace activist driven by his faith and a desire for social justice. He is involved with the Western New York Peace Center and Latin American Solidarity Committee, said Vicki Ross, the center’s executive director.

“I can assure you, Martin is a peaceable person,” Ross said. “There is no way that he was doing anything to accost or hurt. He made a judgment to stay out after the curfew because he feels that our civil liberties are so in danger, which they most certainly are.”

His Twitter timeline includes tweets and retweets supportive of progressive causes and critical of police.

Ross said Gugino has been undergoing chemotherapy for cancer.

“It doesn’t surprise me that Martin was standing there looking at these young cops in the eye,” Mark Colville of the Amistad Catholic Worker said of his longtime friend.

I'm not sure what the purpose of staging this act would be. It makes the cops look bad. This was followed by all the cops in that particular 'emergency response' unit resigning from it after two of them were suspended over the incident. They're still cops, but no longer in the jackboot head-bashers club. If that's suppose to either evoke sympathy for the cops or make some kind of police solidarity statement, it's lost on me. Protesters staging it? That doesn't make sense either - who could predict a simultaneous shove by three cops for a slip-and-fall show.

This whole event takes place a few seconds into the police line advance, so Gugino would have to had been standing there looking at (and waiting for?) the curfew thugs' line to advance. His actions and choice of timing seem kind of irrational, but maybe that's just how 7' tall old-guy aliens think.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 6 2020 15:57 utc | 151

Given the intersection of the COVID-19 crisis and the uprising it is highly unlikely that Trump will win re-election. So what will happen with Biden as President?

Nothing will fundamentally change

Posted by: Trisha | Jun 6 2020 16:04 utc | 152

As far as I can tell American Foreign Policy is pretty well mirrored by its domestic policy. How many countries have the US Knee on their neck. And usually with zero evidence of any wrongdoing by the suffocating country except trumped up lies and allegations.

Posted by: arby | Jun 6 2020 16:15 utc | 153

"Ilhan Omar
The Minneapolis Police Department has proven themselves beyond reform.

It’s time to disband them and reimagine public safety in Minneapolis.

Thank you to @MplsWard3
for your leadership on this!"

"Ilhan Omar
We can’t reform a system that is rotten, reimagining and reconstructing a new way forward is a better approach. "

Posted by: arby | Jun 6 2020 16:24 utc | 154

@Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 6 2020 15:57 utc | 151

I happened to witness a motorbike accident in which a young guy collided with a parked truck because of looking at his colleagues in other motorbikes with fun...
The guy was wearing his helmet untied.
I was just driving behind, with a bit of worry due the situation, that was before entering a highway, and the guy was thrown from the motorbike in parable while the helmet took its own direction. I had to dry braking to avoid hitting him, as he fell near my front wheels...

Well, when I got out of my car, the guy bleed profusely from the right ear, like in pulsations, I also thought the guy was damned, but the guy was conscious.

I called emergencies team while advising the guy to stay lay down while they arrived, but the guy can not stay still at all, got up and remained in an unstoppable activity until the emergency team arrived, while I worked hard, and desperately run behind him, to try keeping the back part of his skull, bledding profuselly, compressed with a pack of kleenex, as did not have anything more appropiated at hand...Meanwhile, a crowded concurrence went packing around us, without anyone giving any help, except watching, until I called them out to get, at least, the guy stopped.

Later I got to know that the guy has survived.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 6 2020 16:30 utc | 155

I think you are wrong in what you said in this post and That your understanding of this aspect of American society is largely facile, but you are German after all. The air force 4 star may find himself in stormy seas for making that video, not right away, but soon enough. Now might be a good time for him to retire and "spend more time with family". Basically, though I respect your work on international relations and the sins committed by the US against other countries and individuals, I think you've overstepped trying to do the same with race relations in the US.

Posted by: erik | Jun 6 2020 16:43 utc | 156

>without anyone giving any help, except watching, until I called
>them out to get, at least, the guy stopped.
>Later I got to know that the guy has survived.
>Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 6 2020 16:30 utc | 155

People are trained to obey and wait for orders; they have no idea what to do, so do nothing. People like to say that public education is broken, but it does what it is designed to do.

A long time ago I turned wrenches at a Ford tractor dealership. One day the owner's son rushed into the shop: a salesman had collapsed in the showroom - anyone know CPR? I went to the front, and poor Dean lay crumpled on the floor, on his stomach, where he collapsed. Other staff were standing around, not knowing what to do, not daring to do the wrong thing, but at least they called for an ambulance. Does no one know even basic first aid anymore? Maybe not.

Anyway, I did what I could while waiting for the paramedics (even a few minutes lasts a very long time) but it was a fatal heart attack. Rest in peace, Dean, you were good to work with (unlike the other salesman).

Good on you, H, for stepping up. It sounds like you saved his life, and yes, most people want to help, but need a leader to give them direction.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 6 2020 17:00 utc | 157

I am old enough to remember the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s. Some important laws were passed at the time (e.g. the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act), but implementation has been uneven, and systemic racism is alive and well. Above all, it is impossible to legislate away the underlying racism that lurks in the hearts of most humans. For this reason, I am encouraged to see so many white people participating in the largely peaceful demonstrations in the United States. It raises hope that anti-black and anti-brown racism can diminish in the human heart.

Posted by: Rob | Jun 6 2020 17:05 utc | 158

@ Posted by: Rob | Jun 6 2020 17:05 utc | 158

I agree with you: those protests (from 2020) are clearly not for racial motives. They are clearly class-related. Only Americans are fooling themselves with this racial war narrative: the rest of the world is not being fooled (never was).

I recommend reading the book White Trash, where historian Nancy Isenberg demonstrates that racial discourse in the USA has always (since the colonial times) been all about class. This happened because the British used as propaganda to attract poor people from the UK at the time that the North American colonies (future USA) was a land of absolute liberty and opportunity, where one could start anew.

However, I disagree 2020 has anything to do with 1968.

In 1968, the USA was at the apex of its strength and beauty. It was booming and flourishing. The protests of the time were tumultuous, but the atmosphere was always optimistic: there was no doubt, by any of the sides, that the USA wouldn't emerge stronger and better from those conflicts. Using the terminology of the liberals, we could say the USA was "vibrant".

2020 is more like a decadent Empire, a "Late Empire", as the economic indicators are not good and there's no perspective they will get better. The mood is much more somber, the atmosphere much denser and darker.

Posted by: vk | Jun 6 2020 17:31 utc | 159

Nice to see you again, PavewayIV. Cheers.

Posted by: oglalla | Jun 6 2020 17:57 utc | 160

Appreciate the clear articulation in this post and the comments. I wanted to add one thought -- that maybe those cynically funding the Black Rights Matter movement intend to secure rights for African-American people in America similar to those for Indigenous peoples (as with UNDRIP.)

To come at this backwards... I live in Canada, and when the American race war spills over into Canada, I get defensive because the one race whose elimination formed the foundation on which every institution in this country was founded, was the Indigenous, First Nations people. They are the only race who can say that. That's it. Now, I know there is systemic racism again racialized people in Canada, and this has been objectively proven within law enforcement, but there is a difference between the two. In the US, it's different. For those activists who want to claim it's not, I think they should relocate to the US. FWIW, I thought Trudeau handled this extremely well in his press conference yesterday morning (saving me having to send out complaints.)

So why is there (cynically-funded) pressure at all to conflate the (historical & current) treatment of Black people in Canada with the (historical & current) treatment of Black people in the US? I think the end game may be the First Nations status for African-American people. I think the sovereignty of Canada as a nation hinges, to a large extent, on recognition of the rights of Indigenous peoples and ensuring they have rights as First Nations. Allowing another race to have the same status would undermine that. Looks like the same old imperialism with a bright, new shiny image!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 6 2020 17:58 utc | 161

>Allowing another race to have the same status would undermine that.
>Looks like the same old imperialism with a bright, new shiny image!
>Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 6 2020 17:58 utc | 161

This touches on the core design problem with current "Western" societies: a hierarchical system imposed by violence decides who has more "status" and who has less, and therefore "deserve" to be denied access to the basic necessities of life. Skin color and bank account size are only two factors in determining one's rank in the hierarchy, that is, there is no "race vs. class" conflict despite the huge effort put into divide-and-conquer campaigns.

People who promote centralized systems of control insist that human societies can only be organized into hierarchies, in spite of thousands of years of hierarchical societies that inevitably are hollowed out by corruption, and then collapse.

Psychopaths rise to the top! That is the essential "human nature" that a robust design must protect against. Electoral Democracy is supposed to stop that, but fails, due to psychopaths climbing the hierarchy and everyone underneath "Just Following Orders". Even the Buffalo cops claim "Just Following Orders" to justify knocking over an old man.

Other species have a variety of designs for their societies. Many are not hierarchical. It's very interesting to compare hierarchical chimpanzees to matriarchal bonobos, for example. Parrot flocks also tend to have a flat structure. Various roles such as "guard duty", looking for food, etc. are based on age and experience rather than fighting for the top position. Geese flying in the classic "V" formation takes turns in the lead spot, a very good approach for many situations.

As the social order continues to crumble this would be a good time to try to come up with a better plan. But if the basic flaws behind current social orders are not correctly identified, in a few generations we will be doing it all over again. Now *that* is a depressing thought.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 6 2020 19:10 utc | 162

Posted by: Mao | Jun 6 2020 10:49 utc | 126

"The officers have not resigned from their regular jobs on the force...."

Thank you Mao, updating your post. 2 Buffalo Police officers charged with second degree assault. Me unable to locate ABC local News (Buffalo) website, shows all events (videos)relating to the assault watched earlier.

Posted by: JC | Jun 6 2020 19:21 utc | 163

@161 How would First Nations feel about that? I thought all blacks in Canada were descendants of escaped slaves or recent immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa.

Posted by: dh | Jun 6 2020 19:32 utc | 164

On the original Twitter thread from Buffalo, a witness said that the elderly man had been conversing with the same police unit the previous evening. His inclination to engage again seems determined by the police determination to move forward and clear the rather small group of protesters from the area. The push is in response to a direct order from a commanding officer, just behind the other two, to keep moving. The push is not nearly as wantonly reckless or violent as those seen in other circumstances, however it does cause the elderly man to stumble awkwardly and fall unable to brace himself, with the unfortunate result. But these cops are not Exhibit A of unbridled excessive force - of which there are many many examples. Search for a Twitter feed from a Greg Doucette - this features a wide-ranging compendium of mostly cel phone videos of astonishingly violent police misconduct. The cops in NYC in particular are vicious, but there is plenty of mindless activity to go around.

Posted by: jayc | Jun 6 2020 20:19 utc | 165

Posted by PavewayIV #48

"It seemed obvious to some of us here in the city that they abandoned the station intentionally to punish the ungrateful locals. Don't like our use of force? Question our judgement in public? OK, then we'll just throw a little temper tantrum and leave. Good luck! Embargo on. Who runs Bartertown? We'll be at the main station downtown or somewhere else, but we sure won't be anywhere in the 3rd Precinct. Don't bother calling Emergency 911 because even if someone eventually answers, they'll tell you nobody can respond. Sorry! And since we're going on an unofficial, secret police strike, the fire department isn't going to respond either. Too dangerous with all the rioting and looting (that we're letting happen on purpose)."

I have read that the group "Anonymous" was able to hack into the MN police website (the system was down for a day or 2 but was never covered by MSM) They jammed radio communications between police and commanders during the night of all of the fires downtown. So the police really couldn't protect the 3rd precinct and they had to make a run for it.
"Anonymous" also threatened to release the employee files of all 4 of the cops
to the public if justice isn't served.
Unicorn Riot Live is an independent news media that has posted over 20 hrs of "boots on the ground" local coverage. I live over 3k miles away but was able to at least watch things live.

Posted by: Babs | Jun 6 2020 21:05 utc | 166

Posted by: jayc | Jun 6 2020 20:19 utc | 165 The push is not nearly as wantonly reckless or violent as those seen in other circumstances, however it does cause the elderly man

What part of "elderly man" don't you get? You don't shove elderly people. I am one. Our balance - unless we train it - is not as good as younger people. That man did not look like he was in terrific physical condition.

One cop in the video actually wanted to stop and assist the man, but he himself was pushed by another cop to keep moving. They then *ignored* an injured man lying on the sidewalk bleeding from the head.

Trying to excuse the cops' behavior is ludicrous and stupid.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2020 23:55 utc | 167

Posted by: Geoff | Jun 6 2020 14:11 utc | 141 many many US people are buying up and hoarding weapons and ammunition.

Being pro-gun, I follow a number of gun Web sites. A couple million more US citizens have purchased guns in the last two or three months. The number of FBI background checks is at a record high. Most of the gun Web sites and Youtube channels are running articles to educate "first time gun buyers" on safety and firearms training advice.

The reason for increased purchasing by first-time owners is simple: They don't trust their fellow man not to become violent in crisis situations, and they don't trust the cops to protect them, either. And scenes like Minneapolis, where the cops simply abandoned the neighborhood, reinforce that perception.

Simple uncertainty about social cohesion, locally or nationally, is a major motivation. That's what the toilet paper run was about: no one could be sure a toilet paper run *wouldn't* happen, so they stocked up - causing a toilet paper run. It's simple - and correct - logic.

"But that its long term value, even if left unused for extended periods of time, is more stable than for example gold silver paper oil or bitcoin."

That's true, too. Firearms, properly cared for, can be heirloom items. Ammunition can last a long time. Preppers consider ammunition to be a "barter item" in SHTF situations. A few preppers load up thinking they'll be "Rambo" or in a "Red Dawn" situation. But most prepper "gurus" point out that one's goal should be *not* to engage in firefights in a survival situation, because the odds are you'll lose. Firearms for prepping are strictly for unavoidable situations.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2020 0:13 utc | 168

Mike tallens #128

Stick to foreign policy. Otherwise you are out of your element.

Like you should stick to (fake)Col Pat Lang and his erudite buddies as he is soooo good at foreign policy: meaning murdering people in their homes in other nations.

Then if Pat is just an rswipe for you there is always zerohedge, and its incredibly well informed stenographers from Falun Gong and Hong Kong.

If you wish to refute then get the scribbler out and start scratching the slate otherwise stick your fedora up yr rs.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 7 2020 0:15 utc | 169

167 -

Not excusing their behaviour at all. Pointing out it was the direct command of their superior to first disengage from the man and second to move on past his prone body. The CO was responsible for the general mindlessness of the situation through his direct commands, but the underlings received the consequence. That is in part why the whole team resigned in face of being told they will not receive legal support if their actions in the field result in running "afoul of prosecutors."

This has now been compounded by the Buffalo mayor's decision to hold the victim at fault due to his history of being a peace and civil rights activist.

Posted by: jayc | Jun 7 2020 0:25 utc | 170

by: james 147 I agree with James, B has done an outstanding job of keeping to the center.. trying to present the polar-sided highly emotional arguments in narrative form equates to a blind and deaf man trying to tell another blind man how to threat a needle with a sewing thread. . B has earned the honest journalist award nearly every time he posts. .unfortunately honesty earns tar and feather punishment unless the two sides of the polarized audience defend the honest journalist. That is what the first Amendment is all about.
Still there is no harm in calling to point when the center itself is moving.. everyone has a personal opinion, and it is very difficult to keep objective. B has not crossed that line, not once. We need his journalist leadership to foster our own survival, without such efforts of people like B, none of us would be able to clearly identify the problem..and without a clear definition of the problem no one can defend its infringements or bring about corrective change.
People who drink of the suds in this Bar, are searching for the truth, although opinion has its place in that search, it serves only to point to a new place to look for the truth. the truth is, after all these years 8 billion nation state governed humans have failed to discover the problem.

I remind that the solution to every problem is to understand the problem. Let us work on getting to the bottom of defining the problem.

Posted by: snake | Jun 7 2020 1:01 utc | 171


"I have read that the group "Anonymous" was able to hack into the MN police website (the system was down for a day or 2 but was never covered by MSM)"

That was either a DDOS attack or their web site crashing because of all the sudden nation (worldwide?) traffic. This also affected some pages of the City of Minneapolis website. Both are hosted on city servers and protected by the Cloudflare panopticon, so I suspect the latter reason - a sudden firehose of 'interest' from the internet wondering what was going on. According to Heavy, the errors were on an off late Saturday and early Sunday. I didn't hear anyone reporting a persistent outage for days, but considering their IT crew, well... Not sure the MSM would have been too interested in covering it or anything else 'Anonymous'. Alt News sites mentioned the Anonymous vid and outage as if they were related, but Anonymous didn't claim ownership of that attack (if it was) AFIK. It would have mentioned it on their Facebook page, but then one would have to believe Anonymous actually owns/runs it. I'm skeptical of that part.

"They jammed radio communications between police and commanders during the night of all of the fires downtown."

This one is kind of impossible. Each precinct has unique and shared dispatch frequencies (channels), but they can them it any time they want. Minneapolis dispatch wasn't jammed Saturday night AFIK. They did change channels at one point to that used by a neighboring suburb, but I think that might have just been to trip up 'agitators' listening in. Scanner freaks that monitor everything around here and stream it figured out what happened after a few minutes and just tuned in to the 'other' channel instead.

You may be confusing this with what also happened in Chicago on Saturday. Someone got a police radio and started transmitting Tay Zonday's Chocolate Rain (never heard of it) at 8:30 and N.W.A.'s F*ck tha Police at 9:00. Those were temporary and didn't disrupt Chicago PD's dispatch for more than a few minutes each time.

8:30 musical interlude

9:00 shout out to Chicago PD

Note that the internet outages and Chicago PD music both happened before the first fire was lit in Minneapolis - that was the 3rd Precinct. All the rest followed that one.

...So the police really couldn't protect the 3rd precinct and they had to make a run for it.

Sorry, but the mean-assed 3rd Precinct cops wouldn't have had any trouble 'protecting' their station and I will never believe otherwise. Not only that but they would have been overjoyed for an excuse to put out an activist's eye with a rubber bullet or gas the hell out of the crowd outside before beating them to a pulp with riot batons. Hundreds of other Minneapolis cops would have flooded in for the party if the 3rd precinct put out a call. They may have been a bit understaffed at the station itself Saturday night, because most of the cops wanted to be at the peaceful protester's (an journalists') beat-down. Easy, fun and no consequences for jackboots of course, because... public safety. Mean does not equal stupid. They knew exactly what was going to happen when they bailed out of their station and left it for 'agitators'.

The only entrance to the 3rd Precinct building could have been 'defended' by a single cop with a handgun. The other windows are high-strength glass, and the back doors are metal. Nobody tried to burn anything until the cops were witnessed leaving en-masse. Then it just turned into a free-for-all for the maybe six or eight people vandalizing the entrance. Almost everyone else started leaving after a few minutes except for a hundred or so gawkers with their hands in their pockets cheering the skateboard punks on. Hard to even characterize the scene as a riot. It looked more like a free outdoor event for locals. I'm just not seeing the 'terrified cops' aspect.

"Anonymous" also threatened to release the employee files of all 4 of the cops to the public if justice isn't served."

Chauvin is a psychopath - who needs any more details about him to be outraged? Two of the other three were rookies, and the last one was Chauvin's partner of several years. Any time I read something like Wikileaks or Anonymous 'threatens' to release something, it either never happens or turns out to be a big nothingburger. I'm not holding my breath here.

Unicorn Riot Live is an independent news media that has posted over 20 hrs of "boots on the ground" local coverage. I live over 3k miles away but was able to at least watch things live.

Props to Unicorn Riot for their coverage. The video quality suffered and there just wasn't much to see a lot of the time, but they were 1) there and 2) not MSM. Couldn't ask for anything better. Plus, the vid of the puffy National Guard Sergeant Snorlax and the maniac State Trooper (check out his expression with the gritted teeth) here was priceless. 'Fixing' Minneapolis PD is useless - Minnesota overall has a problem with tyrannical psychopathic authority passively enabled by compliant sheep. Opression only works until it doesn't work for your kid, then it's too late.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 7 2020 2:06 utc | 172

And here we the *exact* same situation of pushing an elderly man *with a cane* to the ground in Salt Lake City!

SLCPD Officer Pushes Elderly Man to the Ground

Watch it for yourself. There is zero probability that this was *staged*. Or that there was any justification for it. There was *zero* need to push this guy as he was complying. This was just a cop being an asshole.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2020 2:14 utc | 173

No one should believe the police when they take a knee! They are so corrupt and manipulative. It's all for show to try to whitewash their inherent brutality and manipulate people to acquiesce.

Who uses a baton against a 75 year-old man who is no threat at all to knock him to the concrete unconscious with an added shove from a cop accomplice??? This is an outrage, inhumane, depraved and indecent!

And what is even more shocking is the crowd outside the courthouse that cheered when they pleaded not guilty to felony assault! It's repulsive. They are sick sociopathic ignoramuses, not fit for the human race.

And then the other video of a cop beating up on a woman and another again knocking a woman to the floor when she tried to intervene in the beating. So many incidents of these bastard cops beating, tasing and forcibly pushing women to the concrete. I am horrified. ENOUGH! Throw them all in prison! Fire their ass! They have no moral decency! They are not fit to enforce the law. They are barbarians!

Posted by: Circe | Jun 7 2020 4:04 utc | 174

Soldiers from Minnesota's National Guard racking out in the streets of Minneapolis after patrolling the streets all night

MN National Guard @MNNationalGuard
It's been a long night for Citizen-Soldiers and Airmen.

Mike Lindell Donates MyPillows to National Guard Members Sleeping on the Floor

Posted by: Mao | Jun 7 2020 4:28 utc | 175

“No Matter How Different the Movements Were, the LAPD Targeted Every One of Them”

From the Black Panthers to the Communist Party, radical Los Angeles in the ’60s was a seething cauldron of unrest, united by the brutal, lawless repression of the LAPD. In a rollicking new book, Mike Davis and Jon Wiener tell the story of a decade of explosions.

Posted by: Mao | Jun 7 2020 4:31 utc | 176

In Rare Statement, Soros Denies Paying Protesters To Riot

Posted by: Mao | Jun 7 2020 4:33 utc | 177

I haven't seen the story in the link below in other MoA comments and think this is the correct thread...

‘Boogaloo Bois’ Busted On Their Way To Las Vegas Protest With Molotov Cocktails


Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 7 2020 5:05 utc | 178

There is a lot more that unites us, than ther is that devided’s us ! Don’t let the powers that be play us like this, one against the other. Police violence is a tool of oppression and race or skin tone is irelevent.
Society needs to take back control from the evil elite and their payed thugs.
Law and order should start with the police, keeping within the law. That means no police violence.
They fear a united public !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 7 2020 9:04 utc | 179

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 7 2020 5:05 utc | 178

Notice how the "trained spooks" at SST willingly ignore these obvious Boogaloo terrorists´caused mayhem or their aims to overthrow the USG, when they do not stop claimming for "antifa" to be declared terrorist organization, and for their guns people to face the protesters with their guns.

Of course, these are their own "sons of a b****"...notice the overwhelming presence of US military or former ones...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 7 2020 11:19 utc | 180

An American colored flag revolution brought to you by the rich oligarchs. Guess what goes around, comes around. Who knew BLM, Antifa and white liberal social media accounts were tools for the elite? OK many did. However these riots will be the good old days. Mass bloodshed will follow unless the plague really is as hot as it has it has been promoted. I doubt that since ventilators were the worse possible treatment, and all our favorite Democrat governors were infecting nursing home residents with Covid 19 patients. However I truly hope you liberals enjoy your future stratified-equality totalitarian regimes. I'll be either dead or hanging with my peeps at the reeducation camps. Yes, I figure we of the "right" will be the losers in this Clinton-Soros-Gates-Rockefeller-Rothschild-etc... civil war II. Good times ahead brought to you ironically by the winners of capitalism. For the record I think capitalism should be renamed to usuryism, and it is just slavery pretending to be free markets.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Jun 7 2020 12:11 utc | 181

Snipers...this is not is the WH...This also was called for at SST...still Trump following what they dictate there...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 7 2020 12:24 utc | 182

OK CONTENTOUS I KNOW ! But are antifa the new - - Law enforcement ? In a literal sense!
Here’s why I ask ———

Very good thread and vid. Asking and answering a lot of questions.
This guy is a clergy. And I agree with him. I can confirm every word that he says, from my own personal experience! Over more years than I care to mention. (U.K. based)

Taken from the —— # I am antifa. Hashtag

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 7 2020 12:28 utc | 183

As this will not see the light in the usual media, and to debunk The Saker´s and other white supremacist blogs out there on that every black and people of color are only willing degenerate lowlifes of the worst taste whose fate and destiny is self-inflicted, some migrants from Paris´ banlieus rescuing a white old man from a burning building with great risk for their lives...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 7 2020 12:33 utc | 184

Yes, there have been some change, in front of the apparent free hunt season decreed by Trump on antifascists and protesters, and continuous calls in the net by the self-label "Boojaheddin" to go out provking mayhem, Armed "Black Panters" joining and protecting Black Lives Matter´s protests in Atlanta, Georgia,

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 7 2020 12:52 utc | 185

psychohistorian@178 - Oddly enough, Bellingcat and Antifa both showed up on Twitter with 'warnings' about the Boogaloo Boiz on May 27th. Never heard of them before and didn't care, EXCEPT for the fact that Bellingcat (specifically Robert Evans @IwriteOK) started tweeting about them. Turned out to be a nothingburger regarding the protests, but invaluable in considering how Bellingcat is paying the bills lately. Hyping Boogaloo Boiz? It doesn't matter if they *are* real or just controlled opposition to... Antifa, I guess. Just funny to see Bellingcat scraping the gutters here in the US for another regime-change paycheck.

This query will pull all the May 1 - May 27th boogaloo tweets: (Twitter query.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 7 2020 16:56 utc | 186

Richard Steven Hack | Jun7 2:14 @ 173

And here we the *exact* same situation ... There is zero probability that this was *staged*.

Well, once again, NOT the same situation as the violent, brutal shove of the thin young woman in NYC by a muscular ex-Marine. Please see my comment @ 15:24 | 148.

IMO what the establishment wants is to prove that George Floyd's death is not racially-motivated but just another example of police brutality. The narrative is the push is that the 'radical left' is using "the race card" to stir the pot for political advantage. This is the messaging we hear from conservative media. And it started about the time that Dounya Zayer was brutally shoved for no apparent reason. The *unstaged* pushing/falling of old white men just adds to the narrative. And now that there are other examples of police use of 'excessive force', the Zayer shoving is virtually forgotten and the officer that did the shove has not been disciplined like the officers that shoved the old white men.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 7 2020 17:39 utc | 187

b - My reply to Psychohistorian re:Boobaloo/Bellingcat apparently got black-holed. Can you check? Thanks.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 7 2020 18:50 utc | 188

@ PavewayIV | Jun 7 2020 18:50 utc | 187

I will check back tomorrow after b does his comment maintenance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 8 2020 1:44 utc | 189

This is not a 'civil war", b. A civil war is a means of reconciling irreconcilable differences. This is civil unrest created by Donald J. "bunker boy" Trump and the minority privilege he and his cohort represent and defend.It is a protest against the failure of the government to promote the general welfare, its primary Constitutional duty. Trump has triggered this outburst, though he certainly didn't create it himself. The racism and economic injustice has always been here since the inception of the country, but there has always been progress towards social justice, there has always been a viable American dream. Under Trump it has disappeared and the people are not happy. There is no pro-Trump redcoat army engaging the blue liberal army. That is bullshit and you are helping to promote that perception.

STOP IT, B, stop this bullshit about civil war!

Posted by: jadan | Jun 8 2020 2:00 utc | 190

If there is one positive of this American "civil war," it is that America's legitimizing political deceptions of "Freedom and Democracy" are being ripped to shreds.

Mass rebellion inside the US Homeland while police, military, and other US government forces engage in brutal repression is not exactly the propaganda image that the Land of the Free would like to promote throughout the world.

These protests are a wake-up call to all brainwashed retards inside the USA and around the globe that the American Beacon of Liberty that they worship is in reality a American Beacon of Lies.


Posted by: ak74 | Jun 8 2020 8:38 utc | 191

I just heard that the officer that violently shoved Dounya Zayer has been suspended without pay and that the Brooklyn DA is considering charges.

I'll add updates as I learn more.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 8 2020 23:41 utc | 192

Jason Lemon's twitter description: Proudly #PureMichigan, Beirut still feels like home. Senior reporter @Newsweek, previously @AJC and @StepFeed

From my initial comment about the shove: Lebanon was one of the top three places for the name Douyna. Did Jason Lemon and Douyna know each other before the officer shoved her in front of his camera?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 9 2020 14:02 utc | 193

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