Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 1, 2020
It’s true …

by lizard
hauled from a comment

I think this relevant to how fractured the discourse is. it's a repost from my litter watering hole.

I know it’s going to be difficult to accept what I’m about to say because people get very invested in their chosen narratives, but it’s important that you at least be exposed to the notion that it’s all true.

It’s true that people engaged in peaceful protests.
It’s true that people engaged in lawless looting.
It’s true that provocateurs have committed acts of vandalism and sometimes carry umbrellas.
It’s true that Antifa exists and that they don’t advocate gently placing flowers in the gaping hole of a long gun.
It’s true that some very messed up militia minded people call themselves Boogaloo Bois, wear Hawaiian shirts, and are showing up to add their brand of crazy to the mix.
It’s true looters come in all shades and sizes.
It’s true some desperate people are taking things they need.
It’s true some opportunistic people are taking things they want.
It’s true opportunistic government thugs suddenly shifted the Covid-19 rationale for using contract tracing to a catch-them-rioters rationale for using contract tracing.
It’s true the policy infrastructure for enacting martial law has been a long-term, bi-partisan project.
It’s true that now is the time to realize what’s at stake, but instead of acting collectively for our mutual benefit, the cognitive challenge of accepting that all these things can be true at the same time will keep us tied to one of these things to the exclusion of all the others.

It’s hard work, I know. But I have faith in you.

Comments

It’s true the Trotskyists are the third wheel of the capitalists:
No to American fascism! Build a mass movement to force Trump out!
What a difference of treatment by the WSWS between the USA and China!
When the HK protests were at their height (the first ones, not these) all we could read in their website was toppling the entire government and destroying the CCP completely.
Now that the target is the USA, the narrative is simply socialism=remove Trump.
Unbelievable.
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It’s true the fascists are no damn localists/nationalists:
Rússia se incomoda com Bolsonaristas com bandeira neonazista ucraniana
PM paulista “protege” bolsonarista com taco de beisebol, mas atira bombas em antifascistas; vídeos
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It’s true that contemporary capitalism is in a structural crisis, and is resorting more and more to vulgar, aggressive and deceiving propaganda to keep itself afloat:
Why AI isn’t nearly as smart as it looks
Extremely fast stupidity is not AI. Our supercomputers can’t even see, let alone think.

Posted by: vk | Jun 1 2020 16:19 utc | 1

Thanks Lizard, very true, too bad we all can’t get along, but with corporate dems ceding the last forty years to the repukes, here we are, doesn’t seem like there’s much hope to be gleaned and we’re doomed to sit and watch to see if this is a turning point, very doubtful in my mind ??? And a big thanks to b, as well !!!

Posted by: terrorist lieberal | Jun 1 2020 16:20 utc | 2

it is nice to see lizards post hightlighted here… thanks lizard for suggesting you have faith in us in our acting collectively for all our mutual benefit..

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 16:27 utc | 3

Well said. It’s also true that anyone with an agenda will not let a crisis go to waste, all but drowning out the voices of those whose sole interest is justice.

Posted by: JohnH | Jun 1 2020 16:28 utc | 4

Encapsulating the Big Picture isn’t all too difficult if one attunes their mind to enable that view. Unfortunately, the differing interpretations make it difficult to see the Class War underpinnings of events. IMO, the problems that need solving won’t be until the great majority finally understand what the main driving force is–Class. All those other aspects listed by lizard are connected to the Machiavellian machinations used to manipulate the 99% against each other, and will continue to be used until the majority of the 99% reject them and focus on eliminating the Financial Parasitic Class seeking to enslave them into Debt Peonage.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 16:36 utc | 5

Well, an effort is required by the demonstrators and their leaderships – thru the social media as well- to….
a)refrain from looting and that specifically the the small properties is a stupidity that will backfire quickly!
b) the demonstrations leaders must organize their own security
squads to prevent provocateurs from outside.
Fm these tasks the 1st one is rather difficult to reach, yes.The second one is much easier.

Posted by: augusto | Jun 1 2020 16:43 utc | 6

acting collectively for all our mutual benefit..

@Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 16:27 utc | 3
I do not find any mutual collective benefit in acting collectivelly with the kind of Pat Lang, who only dreams of seeing ( and in fact has dedicated his life to erase them and has been genrously rewarde by that..) every communist dead since the very first minute he put a foot in Vietnam and charged his backpack with such bagage of hatred.
Antifascism is not a group, is an idea, I can not see any mutual benefit fro which to fight along with people who contemplate the possibiloity that such idea must be banned or forbidden, and, of course, will never act collectivelly with them in whatever action.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 16:48 utc | 7

Huh?!?
Nothing happenes randomly. Why is B posting this comment as an article right now?
Is there information he is aware of that goes against his own “narrative”?
Interesting times….

Posted by: Skeletor | Jun 1 2020 16:50 utc | 8

The big FU is the US stock market’s relentless climb no matter the news. The richest and most powerful have been bailed out, they will continue to be bailed out and they will be well protected.
The disconnect is wider than ever.

Posted by: snow_watcher | Jun 1 2020 16:52 utc | 9

Well thought, well said, well done! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡ °)

Posted by: donten | Jun 1 2020 16:53 utc | 10

no, it’s NOT true that “Antife” exists in the shape and form it is being presented in the news. “Antifa” only shows up and exists when it is needed, then magically disappears; same as Ali Queada and ISIS that turned out to be groups renamed, financed, armed and directed directly by israel, USA/NATO/the West.
Capitalims isn’t in structural crisis; Capitalism has always been a fake system that lives on exploiting somebody and/or something. Now that Capitalism has nobody left to exploit, it has began to exploit its one people.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jun 1 2020 17:01 utc | 11

It’s true that the West moves the goalposts when the reality on the field doesn’t fit their propaganda:
‘More details needed’ on Wuhan’s mass coronavirus tests

Professor Jin Dong-yan, a molecular virologist at the Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine at the University of Hong Kong, agreed that scientifically it was not necessary to test all residents.
Jin said mass testing, which was expensive, was carried out “out of sociological, or psychological concerns, instead of scientific purposes”.

Posted by: vk | Jun 1 2020 17:02 utc | 12

there is too much chaos to know what is really going on, and as long as there are enough people who want to sow chaos, then chaos and disinformation will rule

Posted by: ralpieboy | Jun 1 2020 17:09 utc | 13

It´s true that if he talks like a fascist, walks like a fascist and acts like a fascist, this is as fascist and will end behaving like that.
In the eventuality of joining any white supremacist militas ( whatever disguise they currently want to wear, hawaian shirts + hawaian skirts + clown nose, or antifa attire, or even bolshevik attire ) in overthrowing any government, once the government overthrown, they, who are always quite better equipped in weaponry than the average real worker, will start shooting at the communists, socialists, progresists at shot range, as has historically happened in every country where they have been rised to power, with or without the unconscious help of the workers unions, deluded by their “socialist” disguise, concretely in Germany in the 30s.
Beware that here it comes again the discourse of the “alt-right” of the ole 2016…Prepare for more from now to the end of the year….

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 17:11 utc | 14

It’s True how this analysis sees and describes what’s occurring within the Outlaw US Empire, more than validating Cornel West’s assessment, except it misses the major component–Class–while seeing lizard’s list:
“As the world watches the US being confronted with massive riots, looting, chaos and heightened violence, US officials, instead of reflecting on the systematic problems in their society that led to such a crisis, have returned to their old ‘blame game’ against left-wingers, ‘fake news’ media and ‘external forces….’
“[O]bservers see a weak, irresponsible and incompetent leadership navigating the country into a completely opposite direction, with all-out efforts to deflect public attention from its own failure.
“Mass protests erupted in a growing numbers of cities in the US over the weekend, and at least 40 cities have imposed curfews, while the National Guard has been activated in 14 states and Washington DC, according to US media reports … [P]rotests across the country continued into a sixth straight night.
“More Americans have slammed the US president for inciting hatred and racism, and US officials, who turn a blind eye to the deep-seated issues in American society, including racial injustice, economic woes and the coronavirus pandemic, began shifting the blame to the former US president, extremists, and China for inflaming the social unrests.”
Blaming Chinese, Russians and/or Martians isn’t going to help Trump. Without doing a thing, Biden has risen to a lead of 8-10% in the most recent polling. Trumps many mistakes have dug him a hole that now seems to be collapsing in upon him. He’s cursed worse than Midas as everything he attempts turns out a big negative and only worsens the situation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 17:14 utc | 15

He’s cursed worse than Midas as everything he attempts turns out a big negative and only worsens the situation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 17:14 utc | 15
That “big negative” reminded me of anything…if it were not so tragic for so many people in the world, it would be like ti die of laugh…
https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1263602255476985862

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 17:20 utc | 16

I would say change the “litter watering hole” typo, but really it’s probably more appropriate.
can’t respond much to comments now, but if you visit my litter box you will see a real life look at a real Karen who doesn’t need the manager because she’s already on the payroll– former sustainability officer for Raytheon who splits time between DC and Montana.
thank you, b, for putting me higher on the radar ;). stay sane and safe as possible out there, moonbats!

Posted by: lizard | Jun 1 2020 17:23 utc | 17

It’s also true that the oligarchy will continue to preserve the system it’s created in the U.S. through all available means, using its militarized police forces as its loyal street level enforcers. Change would happen very quickly if enough police turned and join with the “mobs”. Otherwise any positive change in the prevailing structure will be extremely incremental if at all, and will be resisted at every level until it collapses because there is nothing left worth to exploit.

Posted by: krypton | Jun 1 2020 17:24 utc | 18

No Int’l comparisons ? ..?
Gilet Jaunes. Cop violence against the GJ wasn’t direct kill in the USA-cop style, but still very violent, horrific. There are lists of the injured, handicapped, etc.
Video, one demo (subtitles in F) 8 mins, showing how the demo is kettled, manipulated, by the police, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpFvUE-8dw
— a compendium of police violence – *adults only* on my screen, 10 mins
https://youtu.be/-MEoEIjpsGw
Anyway, police tactics are pretty similar all over.
One difference is in the spark, in F a ++ in diesel prices (which is linked to many other points, not just ‘paying more’), in the US, the traditional ‘racist’ filmed murder. Arab Spring, was a street vendor setting himself alight.
In F, the police kettle, arrest, fine, imprison (the state, leaving that out), beat up, maim, but avoid street kills. Shooting terrorists point-blank is by now accepted / even cheered, but GJ demonstrators don’t fit that profile.
Another diff. is that in France the GJ are somewhat organised, and have been demonstrating and agitating for more than a year now, in a controlled fashion; they have also demanded political changes. Very French, in short. They have reps. who appear on (non MSM) TV shows. Ppl of ‘color’ in France, Arabs, are not seen much on the street or joining the movement, as all know that the ‘dark skinned’, Arabs would be the prime victims of pol. violence, they are told to keep away, and do so. The ‘whites’ protect the ‘minorities.’
So, the F MSM/Gvmt. castigates the GJ for being ‘white nationalist’ (aka racist and deplorable, and Le Pen voters – many of them are Le Pen voters but that is another story) to denigrate them.
Imho the present protests, social ‘unrest,’ in the USA will just die out as usual, nothing will be accomplished – what are the politcal demands? zero.. – on to the next chapter of misery and oppression.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2020 17:26 utc | 19

Imho the present protests, social ‘unrest,’ in the USA will just die out as usual, nothing will be accomplished – what are the politcal demands? zero.. – on to the next chapter of misery and oppression.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2020 17:26 utc | 19
Indeed, and there was no other goal by stirring up these protest to the public murder of Floyd in plain daylight, after decades of deideologization of the US masses by brainwashing through US education system, TV, Hollywood, and so on.
Provocate the poor masses to find no way than to emotionally revolt through a brute action broadcasted to the four corners of the US through the media, to then show the rightful protesters as disorganized anarchist riotters without any vison or idea ( with unestimable help by white supremacists and cops infiltrated, and even by rich blonde boys stealing surf boards as if there was no tomorrow…)so as to show the middle and upper classes that this will be the aspect of the country in case socialist policies would be put in practice. This is to appeal once again, and possibly the last one, to the greedy individualist allegevd “winner” to once more vote against its own interest, as after the elections all what would not be looted by the poor would be looted by the state. Then it will come the gnashing of teeth and regrets on not having suppoorted those poor people when they were being murdered in the streets.
But, may be, some would even be grateful of being quirurgically robed by the state ( thorugh their bank accounts and propieties value going down the hole…) instead of by these obviously majority of needed people….needed at least of respect….

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 17:42 utc | 20

Hoyeru | Jun1 17:01 @ 11

“Antifa” only shows up and exists when it is needed, then magically disappears; same as Ali Queada and ISIS …

This!
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Reposting my earlier comment on the Open Thread:
ZH reports that 6 people have died in the protests. Dozens of protesters and police have been injured. Tens of millions of dollars in property damage, police overtime, and cost of the likely spread of coronavirus (‘second wave’ now being blamed on the protesters).
All because the authorities will not appropriately charge the killers of George Floyd.
Instead, Trump and MSM turn the focus to “antifa”. How convenient. MSM says nothing of the killing of 26-year old Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia weeks before and the attempted cover-up of his killing.
How many more have to die before the authorities act appropriately? How much more destruction and silent spread of coronavirus?
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The protesters say that a manslaughter charge against Chauvin is an injustice. Chauvin was a veteran officer who KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING when he remained on Floyd for more than 3 minutes after he had become non-responsive.
The protesters say that the other officers are accessories to murder because they did nothing to stop it.
Every reasonable person understands that the protesters have valid points. I would say that there’s a consensus that Chauvin should be charged with Second-degree murder and the other officers charged as accessories. But the authorities drag their feet – while America burns.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 17:44 utc | 21

Lots of reports about bricks being left or found near protest areas. Smells like a setup to inflame and delegitimize the protest movement…

Posted by: Lozion | Jun 1 2020 17:49 utc | 22

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2020 17:26 utc | 19
“what are the politcal demands? zero..”
What political demand could one possibly make by now, and of whom would you make it? Reform is impossible, and there’s no legitimate authority left (if there ever was in the first place).
I’m cautiously optimistic that maybe this time around enough active elements of the people finally understand they have no future with this system and that it’s life or death.

Posted by: Russ | Jun 1 2020 17:49 utc | 23

@Posted by: H.Schmatz | June 01, 2020 at 17:42
I, for one, found quite illustrating all the goals implied in this operation were delineated at Pat Lang´s blog by his classist commentariat.
Demands on the qulaification of Antifa as terrorist group were made in that blog just 24h before Trump stated he will do that.
Rocambolesque familiar stories of forecastings made by grannies of rimbombant names from the “Good Old Families” of Virginia, or wherever in the classy South…, on the evils to come in case certain people arrives in government…as if we would not had witnessed evil enough so far…since the fall of the USSR…
Well, is all so coincidental with the current dirty fight is being started here by the Franco´s heirs, financied by the same US people, that smells of rat all the way from here to Alexandría….

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 17:52 utc | 24

One can recognize two types of causation: 1. “But for” causation. If X had not happened, then Y would not have happened. But for my pulling the pin on the hand grenade it would not have gone off; and, 2. “significant factor”. Doing A was a significant factor in B happening. Putting my knee on that personʻs neck for 8 minutes and causing them him to die was a significant factor in causing people to leave their homes to protest what I did.
Under either type, bad police who commit crimes against citizens [usually of color] are the cause of the disturbances. No police criminality, nothing to protest.

Posted by: stevelaudig | Jun 1 2020 17:57 utc | 25

This one better pierces the veil:
“Partisan politics has created severe divisions in society. Such divisions restrict and disturb people’s thinking. People’s support for a particular party is only a matter of stance, which provides a shelter to politicians who violate people’s interests.
“As elections come and go, it is simply about one group of elites replacing the other. The intertwined interests between the two groups are much greater than those between the victorious one and the electorate who vote for them.
“To cover such deception, the key agenda in the US is either a partisan fight or a conflict with foreign countries. The severe racial discrimination and wealth disparities are marginalized topics.”
I wonder if the writer would like to see his conclusion proven wrong:
“Judging from the superficial comments and statements from US politicians on the protests, the outsiders can easily draw the conclusion that solving problems is not on the minds of the country, and elites are just fearlessly waiting for this wave of demonstrations to die out.”
In order to solve problems, one must know their components and roots, and that demands honesty in making the assessment. Looking back at the assessments of Cornel West and the producers of the Four Horsemen documentary, the main culprit is the broken political system/failed social experiment, which are essentially one in the same as the flawed system produced the failure. Most of us have determined that changing the system via the system will never work because the system has empowered a Class that has no intentions on allowing its power to be diminished, and that Class is currently using the system to further impoverish and enslave the citizenry into Debt Peonage while increasing its own power. The #1 problem is removing the Financial Parasite Class from power. Yes, at the moment that seems as difficult as destroying the Death Star’s reactor before it blows up Yavin 4, but the stakes involved are every bit as high as those portrayed in Lucas’s Star Wars, as the Evil of the Empire and that of the Parasite Class are the same Evil.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 17:58 utc | 26

What political demand could one possibly make by now, and of whom would you make it? Reform is impossible, and there’s no legitimate authority left (if there ever was in the first place).

Posted by: Russ | Jun 1 2020 17:49 utc | 23
Indeed, apart from the shock of witnessing one of them murderd in plain daylight as if he were a vermin, I think that the people, especially young, reacted that anarchic way because they really see no future. They see how their country functions at steering wheel blows especially through the pandemic, preview they will e in the need soon, even that they will be murdered without contemeplation,and go out there to grab whatever they could…
We forget that they are under Trump regime and Trump has supported always their foes, witnessing such assassination in plain daylight, without any officila doing nothing, not even charging the obvious culprits was felt by tese people as if the hunting season on nigers and lefties” had been declared. No other way yo ucan explain the sudden union of such ammount of black and white young people. Thye felt all targets of the ops or of Trump´s white supreamcist militias after four years of being dgreaded as subhumans. In fact, were not for the riots to turn so violent, I fear carnages of all these peoples would have started.
The people, brainwashed or not, at least when they are young, still conserve some survival instincts and some common sense too.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 18:09 utc | 27

Thank you, Lizard, and thx to b for promoting this to a Post.

Posted by: elkern | Jun 1 2020 18:12 utc | 28

My African American friend’s words now seem so prophetic:
The poh-leeece. Them are the PAY GANG. Nuff said.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 1 2020 18:20 utc | 29

As with the virus, those with the means are able to influence us into hating our neighbors and acting against our own interest.
I suspect that it is also true that some people who have participated in protests will come to realize that they have hurt primarily themselves but their work will benefit others.
The issue is police brutality it steps from government policy.

Posted by: jared | Jun 1 2020 18:21 utc | 30

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 17:58 utc | 26
Yes, the republican model of organization is naturally unstable and doomed to collapse. Everybody knows what happened to the Roman Republic: tendency to polarization, civil war and collapse.
However, the reverse is also true: when the economy is flying high, every political system works. Everybody is happy when there’s wealth for everybody.
The present problem, therefore, is inherent to the capitalist system, not with the republican system per se.

Posted by: vk | Jun 1 2020 18:27 utc | 31

The violence being inflicted upon the oppressed and disenfranchised public in the US, on a lesser level parallels the crimes systematically committed by the Empire in significant parts of the world, in order to maintain a hegemonic structure of domination and exploitation. It perpetrates extreme economic and social injustice while extolling putative virtues of human rights, freedom and democracy. Such a monstrous evil must somehow be defeated, but when protests are perverted by intentional disruption such as looting and wanton destruction, the message becomes tainted and turns many law-abiding citizens against the cause or makes them unwilling to participate. If there is to be an organized movement, there must also be a method of extracting those selfish, cynical saboteurs. Beyond that, the general public in the US and other developed countries must begin to realize how our entire way of life is incompatible with peace and sustainable habitat on this planet, which seems an insurmountable leap of consciousness evolution. The term “comfortably numb” comes to mind.

Posted by: norecovery | Jun 1 2020 18:32 utc | 32

On June 15, 2016, Hillary Clinton had a 12-point lead over Trump in a Bloomberg poll.

Posted by: lysias | Jun 1 2020 18:33 utc | 33

I can’t help but believe the 4 cops involved in this crime,had reasons to take the man out for whatever reasons. It was too methodical in nature, one guy standing watch while three do the deed. Poor old George may have had the goods on a band of dirty cops, or something of that nature.

Posted by: Chuck Rogers | Jun 1 2020 18:52 utc | 34

A Story: How The Chickens Came Home To Roost
The media and politicians have repeated a mantra for years n order to gain power by exploiting social and racial faultlines. They didn’t want to deal with the actual cause of societal discontent which is their own support of an exploitative economic system which disempowers and pushed down everyone but the 1%. So they invented a false cause of discontent in order to appear as saviors who are bringing a message of Hope and Change

White people are racist. White people are inherently evil and greedy. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Black and Brown people are good, Black and Brown people are victims of the racist greedy evil white people.
White people are racist. White people are inherently evil and greedy. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Black and Brown people are good, Black and Brown people are victims of the racist greedy evil white people.

After enough time has gone by, we have a generation of young people of all colors who believe the above mantra with all their heart because of hearing that mantra every day in the media, in schools, in movies, from leaders. The media knowing that, would then look for ways to exploit their hatred of “white racism against black and brown people.”
The media would sensationalize any act of violence involving white on black and brown. They ignored all the violence of black and brown on white. This uneven media reporting was based on their desire to reinforce the mantra of “white people are evil racists, black and brown people are victims and good.”
Because it would paint themselves as supporters of “social justice” they created a false version of reality where everything bad in society was because of white people being racist. Never mind the actual causes of societal discontent being the exploitation by the elite. Because the media is the elite they don’t want you to hate them. So they created a false victimizer they could blame for all the problems of society.
Because violence from black and brown on white was never reported by the media except in local news, people only heard from the national narrative of white violence of black and brown because people don’t pay attention to local news. They grew up believing the police only abused black and brown people, they grew up believing that random street violence was only from white people against black and brown. None of which is true.
This was bound to end up with a generation of people who believed the false narrative where America is a nation where black and brown people are always the victims, and white people are always the victimizers. And as you can see in the riots, the rioters are almost all under 30. A generation has grown up being brainwashed by the mantra:

White people are racist. White people are inherently evil and greedy. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Black and Brown people are good, Black and Brown people are victims of the racist greedy evil white people.

That is why so many people are perfectly fine with the violence and looting based on a few recent incidents of white on black violence. During the same time period there was plenty of black on black violence, plenty of brown on brown violence, and plenty of black and brown on white violence. But the national media never highlights any violence but white on black and brown. That is what has led to the new normal where any violence involving white on black or brown will be blown up WAY out of proportion to the reality of violence in America. Which is an equal opportunity game. A generation of people has grown up to believe that white racism is the cause of all the problems.
Meanwhile the elites sit in their yachts and laugh. The rabble are busy fighting over race when the real issue is ignored. The media has done their job admirably. Their job is to deflect rage from the elite to racism. From wealthy exploitation of the commons, to racism. As long as the underclasses are busy blaming racism then the politicians, business leaders, and media are satisfied because they are the actual ones to blame. They are the enemy. They blame racism for all the problems as a way to hide that truth of their own culpability for the problems in society. THEIR OWN GREED AND CONTEMPT FOR THE UNDERCLASS.

Posted by: Kali | Jun 1 2020 18:52 utc | 35

No, the Roman Republic was controlled by the Creditor Class via the Senate. It was the Kings who preceded the Republic that were Commoners Champions as they tried to keep economic disparity in check via debt forgiveness. In its essence, the Roman Republic was an Oligarchy, not a Republic at all, and it finally dropped all pretenses when Julius Caesar was murdered for entertaining ideas of economic reform and the Empire dawned.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 19:09 utc | 36