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It’s true …
by lizard hauled from a comment
I think this relevant to how fractured the discourse is. it's a repost from my litter watering hole.
I know it’s going to be difficult to accept what I’m about to say because people get very invested in their chosen narratives, but it’s important that you at least be exposed to the notion that it’s all true.
It’s true that people engaged in peaceful protests. It’s true that people engaged in lawless looting. It’s true that provocateurs have committed acts of vandalism and sometimes carry umbrellas. It’s true that Antifa exists and that they don’t advocate gently placing flowers in the gaping hole of a long gun. It’s true that some very messed up militia minded people call themselves Boogaloo Bois, wear Hawaiian shirts, and are showing up to add their brand of crazy to the mix. It’s true looters come in all shades and sizes. It’s true some desperate people are taking things they need. It’s true some opportunistic people are taking things they want. It’s true opportunistic government thugs suddenly shifted the Covid-19 rationale for using contract tracing to a catch-them-rioters rationale for using contract tracing. It’s true the policy infrastructure for enacting martial law has been a long-term, bi-partisan project. It’s true that now is the time to realize what’s at stake, but instead of acting collectively for our mutual benefit, the cognitive challenge of accepting that all these things can be true at the same time will keep us tied to one of these things to the exclusion of all the others.
It’s hard work, I know. But I have faith in you.
No Int’l comparisons ? ..?
Gilet Jaunes. Cop violence against the GJ wasn’t direct kill in the USA-cop style, but still very violent, horrific. There are lists of the injured, handicapped, etc.
Video, one demo (subtitles in F) 8 mins, showing how the demo is kettled, manipulated, by the police, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpFvUE-8dw
— a compendium of police violence – *adults only* on my screen, 10 mins
https://youtu.be/-MEoEIjpsGw
Anyway, police tactics are pretty similar all over.
One difference is in the spark, in F a ++ in diesel prices (which is linked to many other points, not just ‘paying more’), in the US, the traditional ‘racist’ filmed murder. Arab Spring, was a street vendor setting himself alight.
In F, the police kettle, arrest, fine, imprison (the state, leaving that out), beat up, maim, but avoid street kills. Shooting terrorists point-blank is by now accepted / even cheered, but GJ demonstrators don’t fit that profile.
Another diff. is that in France the GJ are somewhat organised, and have been demonstrating and agitating for more than a year now, in a controlled fashion; they have also demanded political changes. Very French, in short. They have reps. who appear on (non MSM) TV shows. Ppl of ‘color’ in France, Arabs, are not seen much on the street or joining the movement, as all know that the ‘dark skinned’, Arabs would be the prime victims of pol. violence, they are told to keep away, and do so. The ‘whites’ protect the ‘minorities.’
So, the F MSM/Gvmt. castigates the GJ for being ‘white nationalist’ (aka racist and deplorable, and Le Pen voters – many of them are Le Pen voters but that is another story) to denigrate them.
Imho the present protests, social ‘unrest,’ in the USA will just die out as usual, nothing will be accomplished – what are the politcal demands? zero.. – on to the next chapter of misery and oppression.
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2020 17:26 utc | 19
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