Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 01, 2020

It's true ...

by lizard
hauled from a comment

I think this relevant to how fractured the discourse is. it's a repost from my litter watering hole.

I know it’s going to be difficult to accept what I’m about to say because people get very invested in their chosen narratives, but it’s important that you at least be exposed to the notion that it’s all true.

It’s true that people engaged in peaceful protests.
It’s true that people engaged in lawless looting.
It’s true that provocateurs have committed acts of vandalism and sometimes carry umbrellas.
It’s true that Antifa exists and that they don’t advocate gently placing flowers in the gaping hole of a long gun.
It’s true that some very messed up militia minded people call themselves Boogaloo Bois, wear Hawaiian shirts, and are showing up to add their brand of crazy to the mix.
It’s true looters come in all shades and sizes.
It’s true some desperate people are taking things they need.
It’s true some opportunistic people are taking things they want.
It’s true opportunistic government thugs suddenly shifted the Covid-19 rationale for using contract tracing to a catch-them-rioters rationale for using contract tracing.
It’s true the policy infrastructure for enacting martial law has been a long-term, bi-partisan project.
It’s true that now is the time to realize what’s at stake, but instead of acting collectively for our mutual benefit, the cognitive challenge of accepting that all these things can be true at the same time will keep us tied to one of these things to the exclusion of all the others.

It’s hard work, I know. But I have faith in you.

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It's true that Cicero was never an aristocrat, but a plebeyan who got to be Consul of Rome through hard study and a brilliant career as jurist, defending some cases against corruption, which granted him not few enemies. What they called at the time homo nuovo, and today self-made man.

As speaker at Roman senate he had no par, baiting with his words mainly the populists propelling the soon to come dictatorships when the Roman Empire was already in its rales...

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 22:47 utc | 101

Hey how about saving the Roman history lesson for an open thread !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 1 2020 22:53 utc | 102

teri @94--

Thanks for noticing and taking the time! Doing such seems beyond the ken of too many.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 22:58 utc | 103

Mark2,

Sorry, but this was brought in by karlof1.
Anyway, it is far from be an off topic issue, being the times of Caesar very illustrative of what could become the US Empire in not much later from now

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 23:01 utc | 104

always odd when people adopt a condescending tone about common sense statements.

Posted by: the pair | Jun 1 2020 23:02 utc | 105

It's True... Tom Cotton thinks he's back in Iraq. He epitomizes the abilities of US Senators Wilkerson notes. And although not directly asked, Wilkerson says the genuine enemy faced by Americans resides within the nation--it's Domestic. IMO, he still stands by his oath. And Cotton certainly qualifies as one of the Domestic Enemy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 23:10 utc | 106

H. Schmatz @104--

No, it was mooted by vk. Read the thread!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 23:11 utc | 107

Given the repression that the self-styled "Land of the Free" has inflicted on its own citizens--particularly African Americans and other minorities, it is high time that the United Nations and NATO enforce a "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine on America.

NATO bombing campaigns of American regime targets from the White House to Congress to state governments must commence immediately.

Russia, China, the United Kingdom, and France must authorize an emergency session of the UN Security Council calling for the massive humanitarian bombing of America--just as America did to Serbia, Libya, and attempted to do with Syria.

Furthermore, funding and arming of US "moderate rebels" like ANTIFA should begin immediately by providing them with MANPAD surface-to-air weapons to combat the American regime.

Regime Change begins at home!

http://www.responsibilitytoprotect.org/

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 1 2020 23:26 utc | 108

@108

LOL......Dude. Take a break and take your meds.

There are other ways to deal with domestic tyranny. Stand by and watch.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 1 2020 23:37 utc | 109

So, that ( new to me ) end of the film of the murder of George Floyd, prompts the question - -
As this part of the film is so daming, how come it was clipped from all the Media views I’ve seen ?
Am I just overly suspicious now ?
Was the film deliberately cut short, becouse it was so incriminating ?
And if so by who ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 1 2020 23:38 utc | 110

Re: COVID-19 Limited Liability Protections in higher ed (found via wsws.org)

there is unanimity across the ruling class and its organs and donors about "reopening their economy", no matter what. the principle concern of this letter from this 1700 member "educational" "advocacy" org is getting their funding streams going again. Period. health concerns are for show. lives will be lost in your classroom. as long as the school provides enough hand sanitizer and masks (or is it "masks"?), adolescents and their families can assume responsibility. once liability is limited, in a cost cutting effort mandated by capitalism, schools won't start skimping on funds to combat the disease, just b/c they can, will they? nah.

the US, and the West at least relative to China, but the US especially, is dead. It cannot muster even the slightest collective will in defense of its own physical health.
Maggie Thatcher was right: there is no society. not in the US. Please show me otherwise. what we are seeing from the Mouth in the white house is the erect penis on a corpse. the gov't, the state, died while making love to the fantasy of destroying Maduro or whoever. just b/c the corpse is still firm doesn't mean you don't cremate its sick and sick-making body. don't be confused by the illusion of vitality in a hard on or the rabid foam collected around a rabid dog's dead mouth. be safe. burn it. extirpate it, root and branch.

Posted by: jason | Jun 1 2020 23:38 utc | 111

Guys, can we please keep the focus on current events?

@108 ak74 check this out:

https://twitter.com/FAARMYOfficial

Posted by: Lozion | Jun 1 2020 23:40 utc | 112

To moon of Alabama
Do please write in your blog about the war crimes committed by the USA , allies and Israel in the Syrian Arab Republic , they are now burning wheat and barely fields along with Turkish supported criminal gangs .
So the Syrian farmers do not have enough food to eat not to mention they cannot sell their harvest to survive .
These nations are calling themselves Christians , this is a war crime .
Thanks

Posted by: Bobby | Jun 1 2020 23:42 utc | 113

Caesar and his party were the "Populares", and they definitely had a far huger support from the plebs than the ruling oligarchy or even Cicero ever had. There's a reason he managed to seize power and his heir was able to keep it, just like there was a reason why "tyrants" arose in Greece: the previous regime wasn't democratic, it was basically an oligarchy. For starter, the system of votes in the comitia was set up in such a way that the upper 5-10% of the aristocracy would get nearly half the votes. Americans and other people with a fake electoral process might consider that a system that allows 15% of the voters to decide the outcome is fine, but it isn't.
Reading Livy's first books is quite enlightening as well, and we can see that the system was never fixed to be more open and fair. Besides, at the end, when popular leaders became too powerful and influential and wielded too much power, they were just killed by the patricians.
At the end of the day, the logic behind the support of the people for strong men and autocrats is quite simple: when you just have one ruling corrupt family that loots the country, they will usually need and loot far less than when you have dozens of ruling families in an oligarchic regime, each family wanting its due and having to compete with the other in a massive waste of resources. So, sure, genuine democracy is better if you can ensure a fair distribution of wealth, but if you're stuck out, the less leaders you have, the higher the share for the impoverished masses.
Of course, it doesn't always work out that way, and sometimes you have monarchs/tyrants who really loot all they can without even needing it, just because they can - though in Roman history, they didn't live that long before they were killed, and they surely didn't rule as long as the Roman oligarchic "Republic" lasted.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 1 2020 23:45 utc | 114

Man shot dead at 26th and Broadway identified
David McAtee’s sister says group wasn’t part of protests

More on that...
Cell Phone Video Captures Louisville PD and National Guard Opening Fire, Killing David McAtee

National Guard executes their first innocent. How long before they mass fire into a crowd like Kent State and the excrement *really* hits the whirling blades?

Now this is more like it...

More than 50 Secret Service agents are injured in clashes outside the White House

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 23:52 utc | 115

It's True.... The Strategy for Securing the Realm has Failed. The essay begins in one region and Era while ending in another of both. The wide brush strokes are correct although much would be debated, including these observations:

"Trump is fighting an existential war: on the one hand, the coming Election is not merely the most important in the U.S.’ history. It will be existential. No more is Blue/Red a contrived theatre for the electorate – this is deadly serious.

"For an important segment of the population (no longer the majority), to lose in this coming election would signify their ejection from power and politics, and their substitution by a culturally different class of Americans, with different cosmopolitan and diversity values. It is the tipping point – two irreconcilable visions of American life believe that they can continue only if they own the whole order, and the other side be utterly crushed."

IMO, it's likely that Crooke wrote this prior to Mr. Floyd's public execution and the multiple fuses it lit. The UK/US political systems have the longest tenure without any substantial reform amongst all the West's nations. That may come much sooner than anyone suspects.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 1 2020 23:55 utc | 116

If one has opportunity to speak with a goon, ask the goon this question:

"While you're here gunning down my family, friends and neighbors, which of YOUR colleagues is in YOUR neighborhood gunning down YOUR family, friends and neighbors?"

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Jun 1 2020 23:56 utc | 117

@ 109 Alpi

Dude. I was joking of course--kinda. ;-)

@ 112 Lozion

Cool. Free American Army. Next, there needs to be an American-equivalent of the White Helmets human rights/headchopper organization.

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 1 2020 23:56 utc | 118

Trump just gave a little speech in the Rose Garden. He said he has "mobilized thousands and thousands" of "heavily armed" military personnel to put an end to the protests and restore order. Said he will uphold the rights of citizens, emphatically specifying the second amendment rights. Unsurprisingly, he didn't mention the right to protest and assemble. Threatened to "do the job" for the various governors who have declined to bring in their National Guard. Said that Antifa and other groups are domestic terrorists.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867420472/trump-set-address-protests-against-police-killings-in-white-house-remarks

When he talked to the governors on the phone (earlier Monday; group phone call with governors), he had said he was putting Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley, his top military adviser, “in charge” of the response to the domestic protests. He didn't explain what that meant. His snotty press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, later explained to a reporter that the federal government would be deploying “additional federal assets” and that Milley would play a role in a “central command center” to coordinate the responses on the local level. (Still doesn't explain what the hell role the Pentagon and Miley have to play here, but I gather inscrutability can be a weapon.)

Okay, Trump strikes me as a blithering imbecile, nearly clinically retarded as far as intellectual capability is concerned, but at this point he scares me. Nothing like a racist idiot with a deep cruel streak who has a bunch of "law and order" advisors telling him what to do and a full military at his beck and call.

He actually said, "Our country always wins. That is why I am taking immediate presidential action to stop the violence." Our country always wins, like he was getting ready to invade some place that had just bombed us.Trump and his freaks talk like they are planning some kind of military siege or some shit.

Shit's fucked up and shit.

Posted by: teri | Jun 2 2020 0:05 utc | 119

Updates from San Francisco press...

6:01 a.m. NYC mayor’s daughter arrested at protest: The daughter of New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio was reportedly arrested Sunday at a protest over the police killing of George Floyd, according to a FOX 5 report.

7:49 a.m. George Floyd’s death was ‘avoidable and criminal,’ police chiefs say: The Major Cities Chiefs Association, which includes San Francisco police chief Bill Scott, published an open letter Monday calling the death of George Floyd “avoidable and criminal,” urging leaders throughout the nation to listen to demonstrators offer reassurance and calmness. “We need to hear what America is telling us right now and we need to take bold and courageous action to change the narrative of our history as it relates to the disparate impact and outcomes that policing has had — and continues to have — on African Americans, people of color and the disenfranchised,” they wrote. Read the full letter.

Yeah, too late, cops...

7:56 a.m. U.S. senator suggests military force to halt protests: U.S. Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas, suggested on Monday that the military should stop “anarchy, rioting and looting” by calling in infantry from the Army. “If local law enforcement is overwhelmed and needs backup, let’s see how tough these Antifa terrorists are when they’re facing off with the 101st Airborne Division,” Cotton said in a tweet. “We need to have zero tolerance for this destruction.”

Yeah, let's napalm them! Start spraying Agent Orange! Drop one of those super-bombs on them! They're all TALIBAN! Tom Cotton - now there's a piece of work.

10:26 a.m. SF police arrest 87, curfew back in effect at 8 p.m.: San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott announced that the city will have a curfew once again from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. Scott said that 208 officers were brought in from around the state to support San Francisco on Sunday night. He credited the department and assisting law enforcement agencies with keeping order compared to the bedlam seen Saturday. The department arrested 87 people for curfew violations and issued 33 citations, Scott said. Police also recovered a loaded firearm, a backpack full of fireworks and explosives, and other weapons or items that could be used for the “sole purpose” of vandalism.

"explosives and firecrackers"...See, what did I say last night...they're calling firecrackers "explosives' to make them seem worse than they are. Yes, I know, firecrackers *are* "explosives". But they're not frickin' hand grenades or Tsar Bomba... They're using the term "explosives" as propaganda.

11:05 a.m. George Floyd’s brother calls for peace: George Floyd’s brother called for peace on Monday at a vigil in Minneapolis, saying destruction may feel good in the moment but it won’t help solve issues of police brutality and racism. “Let’s do this another way,” Terrence Floyd said to a roar of cheers. “Let’s switch it up. ... Let’s do this peacefully.” He encouraged people to learn about their local representatives and vote in elections.

He's wrong. It is precisely destruction that will help solve the issues. However, it has to be intelligent destruction.

11:12 a.m. San Francisco, Contra Costa top prosecutors call for new ethics rule: San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin and Contra Costa County District Attorney Diana Becton joined a coalition of prosecutors calling on the California State Bar to create a new rule that would block incumbent prosecutors and those seeking political office from accepting endorsements or financial support from law enforcement unions. “District Attorneys will undoubtedly review use of force incidents involving police officers,” Boudin said. “When they do, the financial and political support of these unions should not be allowed to influence that decision making.” Diana Becton, the district attorney for Contra Costa County, noted that police officers accused of crimes generally have their defense attorneys financed by their law enforcement union. “It is illogical that the rules prohibit prosecutors from soliciting and benefiting from financial and political support from an accused officer’s advocate in court, while enabling the prosecutor to benefit financially and politically from the accused’s advocate in public,” she said.

It's all about the money, honey...

12:25 p.m. Independent autopsy finds George Floyd died of asphyxiation from neck, back compression: An independent autopsy into the death of George Floyd found that he died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression, according to an Associated Press report that cited the family’s attorneys. Video of Floyd’s death shows a Minneapolis police officer held his knee on Floyd’s neck for more than eight minutes and ignored his cries of distress.

More on that...

3:41 p.m. Medical examiner in county where George Floyd died says death was a homicide: The manner of Floyd’s death was a homicide, according to a report released by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. The cause of death was: “Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”

2:25 p.m. Military vehicles arrive at White House amid protest: A series of military vehicles arrived at the White House as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the White House.

Curfews from 8PM to 5AM are now being extended for the entire week in several Bay Area cities...and more cities are imposing them. They know this isn't going to stop soon.

3:05 p.m. ACLU of Northern California criticizes curfew orders across California: ACLU officials on Monday said the curfew orders issued across the state “lack clarity as to their scope and duration” and unfairly affect peaceful protesters. The organization also took issue with how the curfews, which require people to stay off the streets from roughly dusk till dawn, give police “too much discretion over whom to arrest and will lead to selective and biased enforcement and risk harassment of people who are unhoused.” Officials said the “extraordinary government power created by the ongoing pandemic” could lead to “broad and limitless measures” that move society “closer toward a police state.”

3:53 p.m. Trump says National Guard deploying to all states: President Trump said in a prepared speech that he told governors they will have the full resources of the military to "dominate" the streets, and the National Guard is being deployed nationwide. He also said he would send the U.S. military to states that do not act quickly enough to protest people and property. Police shot tear gas at protesters outside the White House as Trump delivered his remarks in the Rose Garden.

4:03 p.m. Oakland officials say out-of-town looters co-opted protests: Interim police chief Susan Manheimer said many people arrested in Alameda County for weekend looting and violence were from Central Valley cities like Stockton and Merced. District 3 Councilmember Lynette Gibson McElhaney said the city is outraged and insulted by the violent actions of out-of-towners who overshadowed the cause, exploited vulnerable communities and destroyed small businesses. “You know this is not Oakland. ... This is not us,” McElhaney said.

Same old song-and-dance... And as for "this is not us" - don't make me laugh. Oakland was doing this stuff back in the Sixties! Where the hell was this idiot?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 0:14 utc | 120

It's True.... Insurrection isn't Civil War; it's a rebellion/revolt/mutiny against the current regime. Terms are important. What's generally called/known as the USA's Civil War was an insurrection to separate one set of states from another and is known by many other names than the most used yet most misleading. It's very clear what the insurrection's against--All levels/forms of coercive powers and the gross inequalities they're used to enforce--and it appears to be just getting started. IMO, the easy distinction of Red v Blue won't hold long. And good information on local conditions will soon be hard to get if this escalates further.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2 2020 0:14 utc | 121

Posted by: teri | Jun 2 2020 0:05 utc | 119 Okay, Trump strikes me as a blithering imbecile, nearly clinically retarded as far as intellectual capability is concerned, but at this point he scares me. Nothing like a racist idiot with a deep cruel streak who has a bunch of "law and order" advisors telling him what to do and a full military at his beck and call.

Got that right. We're looking at martial law by the end of the week if the riots continue - and I think they will unless something happens to either deflect people from them or the cops who killed Floyd get charged with first-degree murder. Not sure even that will mollify anyone (and it shouldn't.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 0:17 utc | 122

teri @119--

Thanks for that report. You heard Wilkerson's assessment of Trump and his character. The situation is very mixed and thus confusing. Mr. Floyd's execution was clearly totally premeditated by all the cops involved as is quite clear when one watches all the videos. I could be wrong, but IMO this is just the beginning as the injustices go back decades and involve several tens of millions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2 2020 0:25 utc | 123

More, and changing tactics, needed. For 'them' it's all about the money. Therefore, strike. Shut down the gas stations. When the middle managers can't buy gas for their Lambos and Rovers, it's another ripple. Abandon some garbage barges in select posh marinas. If you're a mortgage holder, squat. There is a good chance your mortgage has a damaged chain of custody, and they can be challenged on the point of to whom the money is owed.

I can't advocate sabotage or violence...I was raised by peaceniks, demmit! But I can suggest that things can become unbearably slow for the 'tools' of the elite.

Creativity...and up the tempo.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Jun 2 2020 0:29 utc | 124

It is true — that a new insult “Bunker Bitch” was heard around the horn about the orange one.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 2 2020 0:29 utc | 125

It's true that the EU is just a province of the USA with delusions of grandeur:

EU economic actions reflect state interventions they decry

Let me complement this very well-thought opinion piece:

4) the idea is not original at all, and is shared by both Japan and the USA. This is the anti-Mackinder theory, which states that if you control the Rimland (what the Japanese call the "Arc of Freedom", plus Europe and India), you can neutralize the Heartland. Apart from the problem this doctrine excludes the fact that you're giving up a ton of natural and human resources, it has the objective problem the Rimland is much more expensive to maintain and much more fragmented to unify. Also, you have three imperialists (USA, Japan and EU) competing for the same idea;

5) the EU is in a decade of economic stagnation and decline, and has just announced it would essentially print (some part would be bonds, but I'm simplifying here) almost EUR 1 trn just to try to cover the gargantuan deficit of the region. At the same time this travesty was announced, you have this Borrell guy comes out announcing the EU will awash "Democratic Asia" with hundreds of billions in infrastructure. Like, for fuck's sake, man, have some humility, have some compassion to your European subjects who are literally dying of hunger due to the pandemic.

Posted by: vk | Jun 2 2020 0:32 utc | 126

Teri @ 119
Apart from being a psychopath he is clearly suffering from clinical paranoia !
You could right a whole psychiatric book of symptems on the man.
He’s a risk to him self and all around him ! 300 million.
Will he nuc America ? Or will he release a 2nd germ warefare virus stronger than the last one he released.
Psycopath’s are good at scheming but useless at outcome’s.
Don’t look for logic in trumps actions, ther is none.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 0:35 utc | 127

https://www.rt.com/usa/490365-portland-police-kneel-protesters/

Posted by: juliania | Jun 2 2020 0:37 utc | 128

juliania @128--

Thanks for that link! Seems we have a bit of sanity and some who can reason. If police are human and not programmed animals, they must be angered by the execution too. That video's the best job of riot control I've ever seen!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2 2020 0:45 utc | 129

@128 Very good gesture by the Portland police. It may go some way to resolving the situation.

Though I'm sure some here at MOA will see it as a divisive trick.

Posted by: dh | Jun 2 2020 0:45 utc | 130

Pretty much. That's right.
When we stop accepting the narratives offered to us by those who are angling, spinning, outright lying (government, media, anyone who is trying to gain money or power), things are going to become much more clear and we will have a chance to free ourselves from these abuses.

Posted by: Joshua | Jun 2 2020 0:48 utc | 131

News Flash!!!

There is increasing evidence that certain gangs and other nefarious outside agitators are engaged in deliberate property damage and vandalism during the recent protests against police brutality--demonstrating that they are trying to hijack these protests and are not sincerely concerned about the issue of racism against African Americans/minorities in the US or police repression.

I wonder if William Barr or the American Regime will now finally declare these groups as "terrorists"?

Police at Protests All Over the Country Caught Destroying Property
https://libya360.wordpress.com/2020/06/01/police-at-protests-all-over-the-country-caught-destroying-property/

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 2 2020 0:49 utc | 132

Wow thanks Juliania @ 128
That’s defiantly the way forward ! Let’s hope it spreads.
I would love to see the cops simply turn around and face in the opposite direction ! As a symbol of protecting the public black or white.
Game over.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 0:55 utc | 133

The situation is far from being resolved by well intentioned kneeling of anybody at this point.
Anonymous has just linked Trump with the death of Epstein and a child trafficking ring blackmail network.
It seems they have leaked the black notebook.
Can not link the news, my computer was put out of work at first hours of this evening.

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 1:03 utc | 134

@ karlof1, Mark2, Richard Steven Hack,

Thank you guys for your remarks. I try to refrain from commenting anywhere too much and have gone way overboard here today. However, I did want to add that I just found out that Trump - or somebody - had the federal police shoot tear gas, flash bangs, and rubber bullets without warning on a group of protesters on H Street outside the White House right before he gave his televised announcement. There were over 1000 protesters, totally peaceful and no problems at all the entire day, gathered there. They also had mounted police ride into the crowd to disperse them. This happened because Trump wanted the road cleared so that after his little official speech, he could walk across the street and do a photo op at St. John's church. There, he held up a Bible and smiled for the reporters in front of the church, and that was that. Yeah, so much for his "respect" for peaceful protesters.

God, being absent for some time now, did not strike the fetid cretin down where he stood.

Now I gotta track down my daughter, who has been with the protesters in DC for the last two days and who has not called in today.

Posted by: teri | Jun 2 2020 1:16 utc | 135

Nice work H schmatz @ 134
https://en.as.com/en/2020/06/01/other_sports/1591000911_332154.html

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 1:20 utc | 136

Its not about the event (which I am still not convinced about), its not about the many events that we have all been made to witness, since Kennedy, GWB, 9/11, Guantanamo, invasion of foreign lands on false and misdirected information, Columbine, and armed domestic security which often delivers unnecessary and unwarranted death, never are the perpetrators of the flag ops allowed to live long enough to give their side of the story, but instead its about the process necessary to bring about lock down: first the shut down and transport of American industry to foreign lands, copyright and patent monopolies to make the transport possible, payment to farmers not to grow farm stuff, the mortgage frauds that lead to the crisis of 2008, then the virus and now armed guards? The USA has moved to protect wall street and to keep its precious stock market from falling; but at what cost? It will be interesting to see how America responds? Maybe Trump is right, maybe not, time will tell, but for sure every American is going to have to take a step back and think about this new development.

Posted by: snake | Jun 2 2020 1:33 utc | 137

It's also true that this incident is a little piece of a larger picture. There's more to the story than police brutality, national protests, & rioting. This is not new. This is just politics as usual, politics that accomplishes nothing because it is forever debating symptoms. The pandemic, the murderous cops, the civil unrest, the cowardly oligarch con man in the White House calling out the military, the Congress all bought and paid for, the crashing economy and the booming stock market, this is the failure of the social contract, represented by our Constitution. This is the bigger picture of a diverse mass of people under stress who have no control over their lives. The solution is a new social contract. This means a real democracy, which has never been tried in this country. Other alternatives do not support our love of personal freedom. I have no faith that the national security surveillance state will become suddenly transparent and accountable, or the oligarchs will submit to taxation and the loss of political power. I have no faith that more bioweapons will not escape containment or that the military will not blunder into a nuclear exchange. I have no faith that cyberwarfare will not bring down national power grids and other infrastructure. I have no faith that humanity will survive a real pandemic, for which this covid19 is just a dress rehearsal. I have no faith that abrupt climate change will not induce sudden food stress and famine. Like everyone else in our Christian culture fear and loathing of the end times is in my bones.

Posted by: jadan | Jun 2 2020 1:34 utc | 138

Bay Area activists fear Trump’s targeting of Antifa is an excuse to go after them

And they're right. I haven't bother to research anything about "Antifa", but I find it interesting that in this article "As FBI director Christopher Wray told the House Homeland Security Committee in 2017, Antifa is 'an ideology, and we don’t investigate ideologies.' In other words, this is not an existing organization but just a loose network of left anarchists (for clarity, I am what is considered a "right anarchist.")

So Trump, ignorant as usual, is essentially declaring a philosophy as "terrorism", rather than actual actions. Not too surprising, since anarchism, being a philosophy that advocates overthrowing the state "by any means necessary" is technically illegal in the US under the law I posted in a previous thread. But that has rarely been enforced. Trump, OTOH, is likely to try to enforce it.

All I can say is, "Good luck with that, Trump."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 1:35 utc | 139

H. Schmatz @ 134
I found that link you mentioned ! So can confirm it exists, I to tried to link it here
But no joy.
I searched on yandex the ‘a’ word plus trump epstein, found it straight away. Others may wish to try.
The ‘a’word may have put the comment into moderation.
Love ya comments

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 1:39 utc | 140

Posted by: jadan | Jun 2 2020 1:34 utc | 137 fear and loathing of the end times is in my bones.

And that's one of the ways they control you. The more fear, the more the population clings to those they *hope* are going to save them - anyone except themselves. Why do you think they keep touting "climate change"? That's the last thing I'm worrying about - just like the "population bomb" everyone touted in the Seventies was a load of bullshit.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 1:40 utc | 141

Dr Amp doing the vamp for Liberty! Where do I buy my gold-plated shovel so I can dig myself out of the shit?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 2 2020 1:43 utc | 142

You talking about this?

Anonymous: Donald Trump and Naomi Campbell named in Epstein ring

Here it is...
https://www.scribd.com/embeds/257106594/content

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 1:45 utc | 143

Its true ...

This may be the biggest challenge to the Clinton-Bush-Netanyahu regime in three decades.

- Their fake populist leaders (Obama, Sanders, Trump, etc.) have been exposed.

- Their warmongering has been exposed (color revolutions, occupations, militarizing space, etc.)

- Their anti-human agenda has been exposed (NWO of oligarchs, apartheid, psyops and propaganda, etc.)

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 2 2020 1:47 utc | 144

Jimmy Dore: Transit Union Refusing To Transport Cops Or Prisoners! w/Chris Hedges.

Posted by: S | Jun 2 2020 1:56 utc | 145

A picture worth a thousand words ...can't paste, but it says: "You've just been (brain) fucked by psyops --- because physical wounds heal."

Posted by: Nancy | Jun 2 2020 1:59 utc | 146

Also, maybe OT, but re: dueling autopsies, for one example, see the history of the coroner in the case of Scarborough's dead assistant (recently 'exhumed' by Trump).

Posted by: Nancy | Jun 2 2020 2:03 utc | 147

Trump did the walk of shame and hypocritical political photop to Saint John's Church holding up a bible when he arrived alone and then flanked by his cohorts.

All this after he literally threatened American cities that refuse to use the National Guard against protesters with military occupation.

This is disgraceful.

Do not be fooled when police take a knee, then turn around and shoot rubber bullets and tear gas minutes later at protesters to disperse them. These tools of fascism will use every trick to exercise control over the right to freedom of expression.

Posted by: Circe | Jun 2 2020 2:05 utc | 148

>Though I'm sure some here at MOA will see it as a divisive trick.

One of those dicks said, "I want a Parade, not a Protest!"
The best-ever example of co-opting a protest.


The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of the working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life.

Between these two classes a struggle must go on until the workers of the world organize as a class, take possession of the means of production, abolish the wage system, and live in harmony with the Earth.

(preamble to the IWW constitution)

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 2 2020 2:16 utc | 149

This is spot on.

Posted by: Tower | Jun 2 2020 2:16 utc | 150

>Police at Protests All Over the Country Caught Destroying Property
>Posted by: ak74 | Jun 2 2020 0:49 utc | 132

Seems more and more that we are facing a police rebellion, not a civilian rebellion.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 2 2020 2:26 utc | 151

A compilation of senseless police violence against the anti–police violence protesters: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1267531005663023104

Posted by: S | Jun 2 2020 2:31 utc | 152

Minneapolis Police Department Hack Likely Fake, Says Researcher


“Don’t spread disinformation and right now, all signs point to just that – the alleged Minneapolis Police Department ‘breach’ is fake,” he wrote, in an analysis posted on Monday, adding that the data is likely not from the MPD at all, but rather a collection of widely available credentials from earlier breaches, and possibly some made-up combinations, that have been assembled into a new database for the purpose of perpetrating this hoax.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 2:58 utc | 153

I'm enjoying every minutes peaceful demonstration nationwide....maybe we should invites HK pro democracy and help us. BTW, when will the protesters stormed the WH? I can't wait for it to happens.

Posted by: JC | Jun 2 2020 2:58 utc | 154

Oh, Christ, here we go...fucked up the HREF...

See, this is what I was bitching about the URL shortener. It's no easier doing a goddamn HREF...

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 3:05 utc | 156

Here's the damn link:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/facebook-employees-revolt-over-zuckerbergs-stance-on-trump/

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 3:06 utc | 157

RIOTS Are Coming to a City Near You: What You Need to Do RIGHT NOW
https://www.theorganicprepper.com/riots-what-to-do/


Most people don’t realize that the Ferguson Riots went on for more than a YEAR after they started. I have friends who still live in the area. They were telling me that there was still violence in the area up to the TWO YEAR anniversary of Michael Brown’s death.

But time continued on. Despite the fact that there was still unrest almost every night, television stations stopped broadcasting about the riots. Everyone was tired of hearing about them, so all of a sudden, in the media, it was like the riots didn’t exist. But they did for us.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 3:16 utc | 159

Cops taking a knee- I'm sure Colin Kaepernick is in full solidarity with them right?
Don't fall for the pigs guise- they will just as soon shoot you in the back and plant
a weapon on you.

Cops face down handcuffed in the street with 3 protesters standing on them- I'd applaud that. There's a real show of solidarity and trust. Seriously, 95% of pigs in this country are just that.

Police are bootlickers to their govt paymasters- total criminals to "Protect and Murder"

Why would 4 cops fully armed suffocate a handcuffed man on the ground for 9mins? A good day would have seen an armed citizen blow all 4 of those pigs away before they murdered a handcuffed man. That would be real justice.


Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 2 2020 3:16 utc | 160

>A compilation of senseless police violence against the anti–police
>violence protesters
>Posted by: S | Jun 2 2020 2:31 utc | 150

Horrifying. This is the treatment Uncle Sam has been dealing out to all his colonies. I'm thinking lots of gunfire and Abrams tanks in the street by the weekend. How can dear leaders ignore that there are more guns than people? They are pouring gasoline on a fire in a propane warehouse.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 2 2020 3:18 utc | 161

I have no idea what's the exact figure of those "thousands" of National Guard deployed in the US, but I'm 100% certain here in Singapore we mobilized a lot more men at tracking down a single terrorist escapee in 2008. Empire's decline is evident when you know where to look.

Posted by: JW | Jun 2 2020 3:18 utc | 162

Louisville police chief fired in aftermath of fatal shooting


Louisville’s police chief was fired Monday after the mayor learned that officers involved in a shooting that killed the popular owner of a barbecue spot failed to activate body cameras during the chaotic scene...Gov. Andy Beshear later said the lack of body camera footage was unacceptable. “This is the entire reason that we have those cameras,” the Democratic governor said at the state Capitol in Frankfort.

And of course, that's exactly why the cops did not turn on their body cameras - they knew what they intended to do.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 3:23 utc | 163

More information about David McAtee: 'My son didn't hurt nobody': David McAtee, Louisville business owner, killed by authorities (Louisville Courier Journal).

Posted by: S | Jun 2 2020 3:32 utc | 164

Thanks again to Karlof1for his diligence on this thread. The Renegade inc. RT interview with the retired U.S.colonel was a delightful fillip for a disheartened mind. Perhaps there are other intelligent, valorous, commonsensical men within the U.S. military, or does this only come with retirement?
As for Cicero, he strikes me as a vicious propagandist who would really have been in his element in the Washington swamp. The Julius Caesar story also has the battle lines drawn!

Posted by: Australian lady | Jun 2 2020 3:41 utc | 165

misanthropy ≠ anarchy = self-delusion

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 2 2020 3:44 utc | 166

>More information about David McAtee
>Posted by: S | Jun 2 2020 3:32 utc | 162

Another death squad hit, because he might be a community leader:


McAtee, the owner of YaYa's BBQ in western Louisville, was known as a "community pillar," said his mother, Odessa Riley.

"He left a great legend behind. He was a good person. Everybody around him would say that," she said.

No more dirty tricks like they pulled on Dr Martin Luther King Jr. This time it's full-on, with death squads right from the start. Of course they been preparin' for 50 years, while US peons slaved away, mostly asleep and passive.

The young people in one video were completely unprepared for the police line they were facing. No protective anything at all. When a cop crossed an open area to grab their spokesperson, the rest just stood there, instead of surrounding him and moving him to the rear.

I hope they learn real quick, for all our sake.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 2 2020 3:53 utc | 167

Updates from San Francisco press...

6:53 p.m. California state offices to stay closed Tuesday in Bay Area: California closed state offices in downtown areas on Monday and will keep many closed on Tuesday, including those in the nine Bay Area counties and Los Angeles. Other closures include Sacramento, West Sacramento, San Bernardino, and heavily populated areas or city centers in in San Diego and Riverside Counties.

More cops issuing "CYA" letters...

7:23 p.m. Marin law enforcement chiefs express ‘utter dismay’ at George Floyd killing, call for calm: The Marin County Chief’s Association wrote a letter to Marin residents expressing their “sadness and utter dismay concerning the actions that took the life of George Floyd.” At the same time, they condemned violence: “We must embrace those who want their voices heard. And, we must stand against acts of violence and destruction that put innocent lives at risk,” they wrote, in a letter signed by sheriffs and police department heads from more than a dozen jurisdictions across the county.

7:33 p.m. Petition calls for ‘public health best practices’ at protests: As the coronavirus crisis converges with large George Floyd demonstrations, an online petition circulating among infectious disease and public health professionals calls on law enforcement to stop using tear gas. According to a UCSF spokesperson, the petition says tear gas "could make the respiratory tract more susceptible to infection.” The petition also calls on officials to wear masks, maintain social distancing and set up hand-washing stations to create safer conditions for protesters.

And...the cops don't care...

7:55 p.m. Police fire tear gas in Oakland: A line of police started firing tear gas to disperse the crowd on Broadway and 8th in Oakland, by the police headquarters, 10 minutes before the curfew was to begin. Dozens of people are milling about downtown. “If you’re not ready to get arrested, leave now” one protester yells.

Wait, what? The "protester yells"? Or did they mean - the police agitator...

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 3:54 utc | 168

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 2 2020 3:44 utc | 164 misanthropy ≠ anarchy = self-delusion

Not sure what that was intended to mean - but odds are it was bullshit. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 3:55 utc | 169

Fascism and Communism are both systems of central control... as is a monetary system that is imposed unilaterally and arbitrarily...

As money and credit radiate out from a point zero, interest, thus profit, migrates from the periphery towards the centre.

The arithmetical progression of a centralised monetary system, will therefore necessarily lead to the concentration of profit thus the concentration of power.

The political leaning of the final incumbent power structure matters not.

A fiscal impasse is a fiscal impasse by any other name. Revolution and war is the final result.

Always and everywhere.

The only variable is time.


Posted by: guidoamm | Jun 2 2020 4:05 utc | 170

Posted by: JW | Jun 2 2020 3:18 utc | 160

"in Singapore we mobilized a lot more men at tracking down a single terrorist escapee in 2008. when you know where to look."

If this is Singapore LHL would have deployed the Grukha contingent hidden away from public eyes beside the former Mount Vernon Crematory Singapore. To ensure 100% loyalty the commanding officer are British officers.

Posted by: JC | Jun 2 2020 4:12 utc | 171

I normally wouldn't repost something I wrote. I really hope you'll be lenient if I do for once, as I'm slightly scared at how close I am with my analysis and predictions. It's almost playing by the letter...
But you're the judges!

Late last year I said that by end of 2020 the USA will be a military dictatorship. After or while some sort of civil war 2.0
Looks like I'm right.
If you can get out, it's probably now that you should.
My scenario was:
1. Massive civil unrest that civil (although already pretty much militarized) forces can't or pretend not to be able to control
2. The army or branches thereof hail to the "rescue "
3. The president falls and the vice president is declared unfit for duty
4. A general offers his "help" to restore law and order
5. All civil rights are "temporarily" suspended until this goal is achieved
6. Unrest, partly directly fomented by and with direct participation of some "special black troop" (black as in dark not as in Afro-American) doesn't stop anytime soon.
7. Some massive domestic attacks on critical infrastructure take place (maybe a dam or a reactor)
8. The generals officially declares martial law and the suspension of any other rights not yet suspended in number 5
9. The internet and free communication is shut down for 98% of the population
10. Some states/counties revolt and want to secede.
11. They are brutally crushed using all available means (incl airstrikes with drones and other aircraft). This is so overproportionate as to scare any other to even dare thinking about trying the same.
12. The unrest slowly recedes, while extremely tough and "flexible" domestic anti terror legislation is decreed. (To e.g. include the mere voicing of concern, nevermind the attempt to demonstrate)
13. Those people who were in early are rewarded with government and economical roles of power and the new "normal" takes shape.
14. A new congress is elected. Staffed with pre-approved candidates. Some of them with some sort of "opposition " roles
15. The general in charge gets "elected " during some sort of political campaign (this could also be skipped)
16. Welcome to the new and brave USA.

Posted by: Fabtour | Jun 2 2020 5:06 utc | 172

Thank you lizard, Pointing out the obvious can seem a thankless task yet so necessary to the narrative. May I also point out: You can not say on one hand when happening in Hong Kong That it is a demonstration of freedom and democracy then on the other when it is happening in your own country, you want to deploy the military (National Guard and Military). This is turning out to be way more than Just about George Floyd. This about all Police Brutality, plus all the results of Austerity in the country that has reduced the living standards of so many for so long. a Tipping Point has arrived. What happens now will dictate the calming or escalation of events.

Posted by: KamNam | Jun 2 2020 5:14 utc | 173

Indeed, what Lizard points out is true.

A fiscal impasse manifests in:

Inexorably increasing tax burden (direct and indirect taxes)

Brought to bear by:

Ever more complex legislation that becomes progressively more stifling

Resulting in:

Raising barriers to entry in business and industry

Which result in monopolisation of the economy

Therefore

Gradually increasing un/under employment and off-shoring

This results in:

Alienation, marginalisation and polarisation of increasingly larger social/ethnic/economic segments of society.

Which brings about:

Polarisation of politics leading to social unrest

Which leads to;

Increasingly repressive actions on the part of the power structure (both political and business)

---

This is the reason all realities as pointed out by Lizard coexist across all segments of society.

Posted by: guidoamm | Jun 2 2020 5:44 utc | 174

Posted by: Fabtour | Jun 2 2020 5:06 utc | 170 3. The president falls and the vice president is declared unfit for duty

I was just listening to the Renegade Inc interview with Wilkerson and they discussed the options for Biden and his VP pick.

Let's assume Biden wins. He's going to fall apart pretty quickly under the pressures of being President (Wilkerson suggested he might even have problems "staying alive"). Wilkerson also hopes that Michelle Obama isn't the VP pick. That scenario seems to fit your point 3 nicely: Biden collapses, Obama is simply out of her depth.

You ever see the TV movie "Shadow On the Land", from way back in 1968? Described by sf-encyclopedia.com thus:


Made-for-tv film (1968; vt United States: It Can't Happen Here). Screen Gems for ABC-TV. Produced by Matthew Rapf. Created by Sidney Sheldon. Directed by Richard C Sarafian. Written by Nedrick Young, based on It Can't Happen Here (1935) by Sinclair Lewis. Cast includes Jackie Cooper, John Forsythe, Gene Hackman, Carol Lynley and Marc Strange. 100 minutes. Colour.

An unspecified national Disaster leads a panicked US Congress to grant almost unlimited power to the President, who promptly takes on the title of The Leader and sets up a fascist government. Congress passes legislation creating the Internal Security Force which punishes all dissent; identification cards are shortly required for travel within the nation. An underground resistance movement known as the Society of Man is formed, although their effectiveness is limited. By the end of the film concentration camps are established for dissenters, although the Society continues to operate.

Produced during the civil-rights and anti-Vietnam War movements of the 1960s, this early made-for-television film was a pilot for a never-launched series. It then seemed too far-fetched to be taken seriously by the critics, and was heavily derided as outright fantasy. In the present US political climate which has developed since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, many of the film's plot elements seem prophetic. It is perhaps no surprise that Shadow on the Land has not been released to the home video market and is almost never shown on television; it is however available online. [GSt]

It can be watched on Youtube (crappy quality): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSMexBrZe40

Worth checking out, due to the reasonably decent cast of 1960's name actors.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 5:57 utc | 175

@all,

thank you for the many encouraging responses.

I want to delve a bit deeper into the antifa/boogaloo thing. to what degree it's actually true that they "exist" is debatable. I would argue that if you have heard those terms--and you have if you are reading this--then they do exist in a manner that gets challenging and extensional to explain.

to give you an idea of what I am talking about, way back in the day Ron Suskind gave us a brief but fascinating window into the minds of post-truth chaos magicians. the person commonly believed to be the originator of this quote is Karl Rove:

The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'.

I've been thinking about this quote again because I continue plugging away at Gary Lachman's book Dark Star Rising, Magick and Power in the Age of Trump.

you may scoff at the idea of Chaos Magick, but these post-modern tricksters are getting quite good at pushing the Overton Window toward their objectives. and what is happening is not a racial thing or a national thing, it's about large-scale control.

One of the very interesting characters Lachman examines is a Russian by the name of Aleksandr Dugin. I'll be lazy and let wikipedia give the overview of Dugin.

while it might be interesting to talk about stuff like Synarchy and Julius Evola, a more constructive thing to do is to acknowledge we are all disoriented by what is happening and not one of us has anything close to conclusive information about how to interpret current events.

Posted by: lizard | Jun 2 2020 6:02 utc | 176

a more constructive thing to do is to acknowledge we are all disoriented by what is happening and not one of us has anything close to conclusive information about how to interpret current events.

Posted by: lizard | Jun 2 2020 6:02 utc | 174
...

Yup all disoriented. Karl Rove- it was enjoyable watching him in full meltdown mode, I think it was 2008 election night, Evil Brain he is. Seems he was a little disappointed not being at the fore front of more evil control.

If it wasn't Floyd being murdered for the world to watch- something else would kick it off before the yrs end as @170 pointed out.

There are definitely strong forces in motion. I have long lamented the US Regimes War policies of constantly creating conflicts and wars around the world. The fuse has been smoldering for some time. The last continuous significant National Protests were vs Vietnam 50 years ago.

In the last 19 years the US Regime has destroyed at least 5 other Nations- Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya. Constant war and constant death spewing from America and Americans. How many military vets are killing themselves a day? A dozen?

Call it Karma or Physics- but it is/was only a matter of time before that death and destruction imploded domestically. As Col. Wilkerson said- "America got the President America Deserved".

This should be a doomed Nation- It has done nothing but consume and destroy, with arrogance, for decades(+). This is what and who we are- a Nation of violence, greed, arrogance, fantasy and selfishness. It is a spiritually dead nation as well. Yoga hotpants does not make it so.

My conclusive information is this is exactly what should be happening, widespread dis-orientation (as you noted), violence, chaos and a complete breakdown. It's exactly what this Nation has been sowing for years... "If you plant ice, you're going to harvest wind"

If there are Laws of Karma, which I do believe, we Americans are in for a major smackdown that we have all, in one form or another created.

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 2 2020 7:14 utc | 177

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 5:57 utc | 173

I have a lot of work today. Will go through the comments later, so I can read without time pressure and with time to think :-)

Posted by: Fabtour | Jun 2 2020 7:16 utc | 178

Posted by: lizard | Jun 2 2020 6:02 utc | 174

I had to look up the term "Overton Window." Wikipedia lists the following:


Political commentator Joshua Treviño has postulated that the degrees of acceptance of public ideas are roughly:[6]
Unthinkable
Radical
Acceptable
Sensible
Popular
Policy

So *that's* my problem! I'm way past "unthinkable." :-)

Let me repeat what I warned you about in the previous thread...you're pushing the "Overton Window" of what is going to be considered "acceptable" or "sensible" here.

I'm familiar with Julius Evola, Rene Guenon, Neopaganism, all mentioned in the Dugin Wikipedia piece (although I've never heard of ninety percent of those Russian movements cited), and as I mentioned before, the influence of National Socialist occult theories from the Thule crowd, etc., on post-WWII right-wing movements in Europe, the US, and Australia. I've read Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" trilogy, and I have his "Unholy Alliance - A History of Nazi Involvement With the Occult" on my hard drive for reading - someday - as well as texts on Giordano Bruno - the inventor of modern "influence operations" - and "The Myth of the Masters Revived - The Occult Lives of Nikolai and Elena Roerich".

Burrowing into this stuff will get both of us banned by b, trust me on this! :-) He's going to consider this stuff way off topic - more so than all this "Roman politics" stuff.

And extrapolating from this stuff that what is happening today is orchestrated by persons believing such matters is seriously lacking in real evidence. Levenda's books are the closest I've seen to any "evidence" and even that is lacking.

In any event, as I've said in other venues, what matters isn't who is conducting what conspiracy - but what do you *do* about it on a personal level. I've got my own plans which basically entail burning down anyone who causes me problems, no matter who or where they are on the power spectrum. Anyone who thinks any of these guys are going to be "exposed" - despite umpteen thousands of books allegedly "exposing" all sort of "conspiracies" from the "Illuminati" to the "lizard aliens" (I loved Jesse Ventura's takedown of David Icke on his show) - and somehow their alleged plans are going to be thwarted by everyone coming together and singing "kumbayah" as a result - is seriously delusional.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 7:17 utc | 179

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 1:35 utc | 138

"Antifa is 'an ideology, and we don’t investigate ideologies.' In other words, this is not an existing organization but just a loose network of left anarchists (for clarity, I am what is considered a "right anarchist.")"

I think you may miss the point here. It is irrelevant what Antifa is; it is what it can be made to appear to be that is critical. You may forget Karl Rove's statement that the empire "creates its own reality". This also pertains, natuarlly, to the corporatist influenced deep state. Thus anyone opposed to "Trump"; that is, the empire, the corporatists, can be designated as "Antifa" terrorists. This sort of guilt by misaassociation is not uncommon in countries I am familiar with.

This is just another propaganda trope to misdirect the masses from the reality of the class war.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 2 2020 7:19 utc | 180

Circe #99

Message to Trump, police and military: Don't attack the protestors! Justice will prevail.

Unlikely. There is no justice, no mercy, no accountability from the barrel of a gun. Even more so when in the hands of the US military.

This appears to me to be a fully staged insurrection. My guess is that the loads of pavers and bricks conveniently dropped around the country were brought to you by Urban Moving Systems.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 2 2020 7:25 utc | 181

Posted by: lizard | Jun 2 2020 6:02 utc | 174

you may scoff at the idea of Chaos Magick, but these post-modern tricksters are getting quite good at pushing the Overton Window toward their objectives. and what is happening is not a racial thing or a national thing, it's about large-scale control.

Certainly the fundamentalist commandment "There is a virus we proclaim to be infinitely deadly, therefore you must Obey" has generated the most extraordinary acute conformity to a propaganda astroturf in all of history, and it never had any purpose but to attain a quantum leap toward totalitarian control.

Now they follow hard with the plan to use the protests as the pretext for a further imposition of restrictions, curfews and such.

And it looks like almost everyone will obey at least until the stores run out of food to put on the shelves, a few months or so from now. Of course by then it'll be too late for people to think twice (well, think once - they never thought for a second in the first place) about whether the orgy of self-loathing* and infantile conformity was worth it.

*Of course when one goes all in on believing every other human being is physically poisonous, that can only spring from a deep-seated hatred of one's own physical existence. Much like wearing masks outdoors to protect oneself from the cleansed wholesome air. Much like how so many embrace industrial food because deep down they're disgusted at the fact we have to eat, digest, excrete at all.


Posted by: Russ | Jun 2 2020 7:25 utc | 182

Based on the lack of noise outside - no sirens, helicopters, spotter planes - and the lack of significant updates in the San Francisco press, I have to say it's beginning to look like the riots are dying down. there's been some looting at a couple of Bay Area towns, but compared to the last two nights, things are quiet. A bunch of people were arrested in Oakland for violating curfew, but the demonstrations have not been particularly violent tonight.

These things tend to go on for a while, then people need to get back to doing what they need to do day-to-day. Once it becomes apparent they're not getting anywhere, people get tired and mundane matters take over.

That's not to say they won't continue in places where the cops are massively over-reacting, or that they won't flare up the next time Trump opens his mouth in another massively stupid tweet, or someone gets shot. But at least here in San Francisco, it seems to be quiet tonight.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 7:31 utc | 183

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 2 2020 7:19 utc | 178 It is irrelevant what Antifa is; it is what it can be made to appear to be that is critical.

Yes, I'm aware of that. That was my point - which I believe I explicitly stated: Trump is going to use a non-existent "organization" to criminalize a *philosophy and political movement* and more importantly, to then accuse anyone he disagrees with to be a "member* of that philosophy or political movement, and then charge them with a crime. Which puts everyone here and elsewhere at risk of being arrested, charged and sent to Quantanamo.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 7:36 utc | 184

St Louis escalates:
The Latest: Police say 4 officers shot in St. Louis protests

ST. LOUIS — Police say four officers were hit by gunfire after protests in St. Louis that started peacefully Monday became violent overnight, with demonstrators smashing windows and stealing items from businesses and fires burning in the downtown area.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Jun 2 2020 7:37 utc | 185

Simple really any anarchist system depends upon human mutual respect to achieve stasis.

Otherwise an anarchist system becomes an unliveable system riven by unending conflict.
A human who shows such a dislike of fellow humans that they rarely have a good word to say for any other human, that they cannot even tolerate their neighbors eg your intense dislike of your fellow hotel residents, then compound that with the absolute evil of robbing a bank, there is nothing wrong with taking money from a bank, but absolutely everything wrong with terrorizing bank workers, the tellers who are frequently women oppressed by their employer, whose pay is miserable.

Holding up a bank is a despicable crime as success depends upon threatening the lives of workers, some of the most put upon in society.

Since you have moved here after getting tossed from the Laing page you have distinguished yourself by abusing many posters who disagree with your point of view.
Your default response when you are incapable of arguing your case.

Most, maybe all of your posts drip with condescension for other humans. A misanthrope whose motivation appears to stem from a need to prove all others wrong.
Therefore claiming to be an anarchist of whatever stripe, which you probably believe even if just superficially, is delusional.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 2 2020 7:40 utc | 186

B, I while I do not object content of this post and I think al this can be true and is, I wanna add that people can be racist too, and I see that this post attracted a lot of them.

Posted by: CitizenoftheWorld | Jun 2 2020 7:49 utc | 187

Posted by: RJPJR | Jun 1 2020 20:33 utc | 57

Oh missed a lot conspiracy theories..let's listen this time George Floyd ( a former crisis actor) is now on Epstein island with Kobe..that's the one favorite among idiot rural yanks..It's hard to accept that black have the right to protest for little white minds..It's hard for white fat yanks to see their country in flames by righteous hands..It's funny to see how usa is the loot-state in the world now..another american dream fulfilled.

Posted by: LuBa | Jun 2 2020 7:55 utc | 188

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 7:36 utc | 182

I guess it was your last statement that I was commenting on

"All I can say is, "Good luck with that, Trump.""

The assumption that it is "Trump", and that the designation of Antifa as a terrorist group will not work in some way if made operable. It is the action's propaganda value that is important, not the people who may or may not be arrested as "belonging" to the organization, though that can prove useful. It is the meme put into people's heads that counts.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 2 2020 7:59 utc | 189

Mon dieu !!

Boolean operation: antifa cia

H/t to:
"@bob sykes lled
I remember the cold war in Europe very well. those so called "violent communists groups" as you called them were nothing of the kind. Maybe you better look up Operation Gladio when you have the time. Aldo Moro was killed by a fake "communist" group exactly because he wanted to create a government in Italy that included Communists.
And antifa doesnt exist. its a fake CIA created fantasy, on the same par as the fake Al Qaeda and ISIS who turned out in the end to have been financed by the very West that supposedly was fighting them."

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jun 1 2020 6:24 utc | 277

Posted by: Avid Lurker | Jun 2 2020 8:57 utc | 190

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 2 2020 7:40 utc | 184 any anarchist system depends upon human mutual respect to achieve stasis. Otherwise an anarchist system becomes an unliveable system riven by unending conflict.

Based on what historical experience? I submit none - because there has never been an anarchist society (in modern times) - only local "experiments".

"eg your intense dislike of your fellow hotel residents, then compound that with the absolute evil of robbing a bank"

Ah, so your problem is with *me*.

"absolutely everything wrong with terrorizing bank workers"

Nope. You work for a bank, you take the risk someone will want to do a "revolutionary expropriation" (as they used to call it, back in the day.) That's the same as working for the state on any level, city, county, state or Federal.

"success depends upon threatening the lives of workers"

You've never robbed a bank, have you? You view bank robber through the lens of idiots who have watched too many movies, where the robbers rush in, shoot up the place, and beat up the bank employees. While in the joint, I advised inmates who thought that was the way to go that it was stupid to act that way. Your job as a bank robber is to *get the money.* You don't fire a weapon, you don't beat people up, you don't threaten any citizens. You just instruct everyone to freeze, you instruct the bank workers to open the drawers and hand you the money. The bank workers are *trained* to *cooperate fully* with any bank robber - because if a customer gets injured, the resulting law suit will cost the bank infinitely more than any bank robber.

"abusing many posters who disagree with your point of view."

And of course, you've ignored everyone who has expended great effort coming in here just to hurl insults at me - such as yourself. I try to contribute to the point of b's posts here. I don't wander in here like a troll just to insult one of the members.

"Most, maybe all of your posts drip with condescension for other humans."

That would be incorrect. I have a lot of condescension for most other humans. But most of my posts do not reflect that.

"A misanthrope whose motivation appears to stem from a need to prove all others wrong."

Whereas you're here just to enlighten us all as to my evil, I assume.

"Therefore claiming to be an anarchist of whatever stripe, which you probably believe even if just superficially, is delusional."

And your anarchist "stripe" is what, exactly? I wasn't aware there was a "troll" segment of the anarchist community.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 9:20 utc | 191

This is a better resource.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/

Latest is a teenager getting shot in the head by a police sniper like it was in the Gaza.

Yeah all you white kkk types with your whataboutism... the feel is mutual.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jun 2 2020 9:25 utc | 192

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 2 2020 7:59 utc | 187 It is the meme put into people's heads that counts.

That meme's been there for some time. The difference is that Trump is trying to make it actionable enough to enable crackdowns on legitimate protesters. That may or may not work, but what it will do is result in even more violence as Antifa agitators up the violence quotient once any significant number of them get arrested and charged. More importantly, if the charge is used against *non-Antifa* protesters, *they* are going to be radicalized and end up increasing the violence.

And that's *why* Trump is promoting this. This is the standard state response to protest: oppress it to the point where it turns violent, then use the violence to justify further repression. Rinse and repeat. Meanwhile, the rest of the population is turned away from the protests by the violence and end up supporting the state oppression, even when it is turned against them.

So you have two choices: 1) protest peacefully - and get nowhere; or 2) protest violently and get suppressed.

Which is why I don't believe in conventional "protest."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 9:27 utc | 193

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 9:27 utc | 191

I can agree with that.
...
I do find this interesting, too.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/490429-social-distancing-race-war-narrative/

"Americans sacrificed three months of their lives because they were told it was the only way to save their neighbors’. Now they’re being made to feel like fools as the same talking heads lecturing them about the critical importance of staying home a month ago are now telling them to get into the streets because racism is tearing their country apart."

What a wonderful life.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jun 2 2020 10:06 utc | 194

Debs is dead | Jun 2 2020 7:40 utc | 184
that is kinda rich coming from you Debs. sheesh, your hatred of all things whitefella has been expressed countless times.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 2 2020 10:22 utc | 195

I'll say this is true too, I've mentioned it before.

A timely reminder:
As a contingency Russia and China (together) better be prepared to have to enter the US and somewhat temporarily (up to a few years) with relatively small numbers of people (thousands) shut down reactors, dismantle and extract nuclear warheads, remove or disperse or safely destroy/incapacitate very large volumes of dangerous material, and destroy facilities (not only nuclear). They will have to use military power to safeguard such work taking place and keep people and any active opposition away.

This can't be done right without preparing and training for the specific targets and systems in question. Some of it looks to me as it will have to cause large but predominantly local environmental damage.

If one only limits it to this (I'm not saying they should; it would be tempting and prudent to remove quite a lot of other weaponry-related targets and to do various other things, there is also a need to discover and confirm possible additional targets) it will still be a couple of thousand targets that needs taking care of when/if effective governance in the US ceases to exist.

So despite not being an invasion it will be a huge task.

It is required because there's nothing that makes it seem likely that it will be anything at all like the end of the USSR.

The alternative is a lot of meltdowns and both regional and global environmental damage as well as a lot of unaccounted for weapons and weapons abilities.

Then there's also the subject of knowledge… some of that might also require action within the US (rather than at the borders or internationally).

Again: it won't be like the USSR.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 2 2020 10:45 utc | 196

Good Kings... An example...

King Felipe VI of Spain ( of a foreign dinadty impossed on us by the US so as to play the charade of a democracy under condition of occupying ( having military bases here), has asked the nobility to give away milk and oil to the poor..

https://mobile.twitter.com/sacedator/status/1267712144033882112

Welcome to the "commons" society! Or third way...

After taking a sip of this free milk, go working on bycicle 12 hours for 500 euro/month to one of the hotels of his best friend and return to your tiny apartment to fry an egg in your free oil to go to sleep exhausted (so that you can not contemplate even the possibility to think a minute) scarce 7 hours to return to job.

Meanwhile, the praetorian rentier class of the likes at SST only would have to worry of when they could go to jooging, to the gym or getting a new hair cut or the state of the statues oh their esclavists...

This is the plan, hamijos...

Still, there are few things burning, it is obvious some are on the business if increasing provocations... Amongst them their leader, Trump.
He said "the country always win" and posed holding the Bible because this people of the far-right always apropiste the countries and their symbols, like the flag and the Gods, for themselves.
This is part of the construction of the framework and narrative on disposesing the already disposeded, he needs to label him foreign ( even through patronage as did Susan Rice) and strange to the motherland so as to make more palatable for the privileged whites emdtill holding a hint of moral compass their elimination or expulsion from the country.

That someone spoke here about the
"negative" human value of the black people speaks volumes of what's in the making. We are assisting at the preparations for the genocide of the former slave population so as to save costs in the decaying of the US Empire.

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 10:47 utc | 197

This is "America"...

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamchatka_es/status/1267065214597545984

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 10:55 utc | 198

"So, that (new to me) end of the film of the murder of George Floyd, prompts the question - -
As this part of the film is so daming, how come it was clipped from all the Media views I’ve seen?
Am I just overly suspicious now? Was the film deliberately cut short, becouse it was so incriminating? And if so by who?"

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 1 2020 23:38 utc | 110

Belatedly... many thanks for pointing this out! Before seeing the clip, I had seen only parts of the "sanitized" version on news reports.

I presume it was censored, lest it trigger too may questions.

This makes it look like a settling of accounts.

Posted by: RJPJR | Jun 2 2020 10:55 utc | 199

Some idea on who is really orchestrating this so as to provoke the desired outcome of a coup.. In fact, yesterday Trump by holding the Bible and stating he will be unleashing the military to fight their own citizens based on a 1870 Law on Insurrection ( notice that he is following the plan dictated at SST to the letter, they post, he provides, no wonder these are the most benefited by the tax cut to the rich) equates a coup.


https://mobile.twitter.com/dannychun/status/1267642764583264256

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarinMartac/status/1267630606957064194

https://mobile.twitter.com/rudy_betrayed/status/1267287133296918529

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 11:08 utc | 200

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