Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 01, 2020

It's true ...

by lizard
hauled from a comment

I think this relevant to how fractured the discourse is. it's a repost from my litter watering hole.

I know it’s going to be difficult to accept what I’m about to say because people get very invested in their chosen narratives, but it’s important that you at least be exposed to the notion that it’s all true.

It’s true that people engaged in peaceful protests.
It’s true that people engaged in lawless looting.
It’s true that provocateurs have committed acts of vandalism and sometimes carry umbrellas.
It’s true that Antifa exists and that they don’t advocate gently placing flowers in the gaping hole of a long gun.
It’s true that some very messed up militia minded people call themselves Boogaloo Bois, wear Hawaiian shirts, and are showing up to add their brand of crazy to the mix.
It’s true looters come in all shades and sizes.
It’s true some desperate people are taking things they need.
It’s true some opportunistic people are taking things they want.
It’s true opportunistic government thugs suddenly shifted the Covid-19 rationale for using contract tracing to a catch-them-rioters rationale for using contract tracing.
It’s true the policy infrastructure for enacting martial law has been a long-term, bi-partisan project.
It’s true that now is the time to realize what’s at stake, but instead of acting collectively for our mutual benefit, the cognitive challenge of accepting that all these things can be true at the same time will keep us tied to one of these things to the exclusion of all the others.

It’s hard work, I know. But I have faith in you.

Posted by b on June 1, 2020 at 16:08 UTC | Permalink

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Let’s try and unite on this site considering, most of us wish that in the wider world.
I’m sure that is the subject of this post ! ‘
‘B’ ‘’ Has faith in us’’
Also it’s the antidote to devide and rule.
Love ya informative posts ‘Hack’
Good to see ya back debs, where the hell have you been all this time ! no really ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 11:11 utc | 201

“You’ve never robbed a bank, have you?”

You haven’t either. What a laugh that this routine goes over.

As told to me by real bank robbers, who works in banks is women and the job of a bank robber is intimidating women. Never met a bank robber who took the least pride in what they had done.

Now call me a hasbara troll again. Or call me an ignorant fuck again. Misanthrope is exactly what you are.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 2 2020 11:22 utc | 202

Agreed we’re not supposed to rob banks that’s not allowed !! Their supposed to rob us. It’s not playing by the rules, their rules.
As in one rule for us and no rule for them.
As in don’t do as I do,do as I tell you to do.
As in we can murder you without provocation but don’t you dare defend your selve or your community becouse that makes you a terrorist.
Just like Syria Iraq, Iran,palistine,Yemen ect ect ect ect.

That bunker baby Trump is not messing about now, we need to wake up he’s going to murder you ! And it won’t matter who you voted for.
One love.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 11:41 utc | 203

@oldhippie 200

I think Richard pointed out that he was indeed a bankrobber.

Apropos bankrobbing...

Posted by: vato | Jun 2 2020 11:55 utc | 204

An excellent post for diverting from the real message, which is that the elites have used murder, racism and deception to twist and manipulate people's responses, bring out people's rage, and then exploit that in ways that undermine, abuse and deflect them to the maximum possible.

The underlying rage was coming to the boil. Rather than allow it to boil over naturally, it has been artificially induced prematurely under copious control of extreme right wing agent provocateurs under the direct command of the intelligence agencies and the police. As someone correctly pointed out (I thought it was A User but cannot find the post) the authorities can easily identify and neutralise any of the real demonstrators. By creating maximum chaos, violance, looting, arson and other serious crime they generate the cover for a brutal crackdown on any genuine protesters - whether peaceful or not - and take them out. By fanning the flames as much as possible, the aim is to flush out as many potential demonstrators as possible now, all under the total control of the authorities. Then when the proper time becomes ripe for the real boilover, many of the key actors will have been removed beforehand (neutralised by surveillance, arrests and fear). Furthermore, in response to the extreme riots and massive (purely state-sponsored) damage to public properties and institutions, the US government will introduce (as per 9/11) highly repressive legal measures which will massively increase fear to take part in the real boil-over demonstrations when the time comes.

In short, it's a false flag to pre-empt the inevitable boilover.

Well done "B" or whoever it is who has now replaced Bernhard, you are doing good work for your masters.

---

Quite a few times over the last few years, as the writing on the wall of ever tightening censorship of alternative media became ever clearer, I urged Bernhard to register - and make known to readers - a backup internet domain under Russian sovereignty and with purely Russian servers - such as moonofalabamma.ru - with a live and fully functioning backup of the entire moonofalabamma.org website, so that when the inevitable (it was long clear it would come eventually) US empire censorship of moonofalabamma arrived readers (non-US at least) could just move to the uncensored site on Russian servers under a domain name not controlled by the US. I am not aware of Bernhard ever having taken any such precautions.

For all I know, perhaps Bernhard is even now quietly typing away on his own original website, writing the same sort of critical and far sighted analyses for which he was justly renowned - but since the US intelligence agencies have total control of the top level domains they can prevent anybody anywhere in the world (except Bernhard himself) from accessing the real moonofalabamma, diverting us instead to controlled misdirection.

Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 12:01 utc | 205

... "lizard" ...

The perfect moniker for the job in question.

Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 12:10 utc | 206

RJPJR @ 199
Thank you for that last comment and feed back, plus your earlier important thoughts. I think he both see the import
of this evedence!
Two questions to move forward with ——
Who was in on this conspiracy to commit murder and why ?
What motive. I use the conspiracy word purely in the legal sense.
This as the last part of the video shows, was premeditated.
Planed, perpetrated and coverd up.
My pure guess is ‘it came from the top’ as I stated from day one — this whole sad event is Trumps election campaign and power move. In short fascism.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 12:48 utc | 207

But what did you think the whole "at-media"op. was about in the first place?

I fear all this conglomerate was built 10 or so years ago to advance Trump presidency and current leap to fascist military dictatorship, by disgusting the old hard points of the far right of always as palatable for the disenfranchised masses after years of disbanding the real left by phisical and ideological erasing from the political landscape.

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 12:51 utc | 208

Disguised, not disgusting. Hate this predictive scripture feature in this phone. But that's all available until my new computer arrives. In the way, BTW, for the hackers info, no windows.

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 12:53 utc | 209

Mark2 @203

What is wrong is selling the notion that robbing banks is romantic.There is not a particle of romance involved in shoving a gun in another humans face.

Where bankrobbing is romantic is Hollywood. Not sure if the assembled barflies know the difference between Hollywood and reality. For those unaware, Hollywood has been a wholly owned subsidiary of CIA for almost 70 years. Perhaps RSH is auditioning for a job there.

Bank robbers are stupid people who do a stupid job. Bank robbers do not paint themselves as swashbuckling heroes or picture the deed as derring-do. It is a dreary life.

As a purely practical matter bank tellers no longer keep significant amounts of cash in the drawer. The take is what’s in the drawer, a robber doesn’t hang around for longer than emptying the drawer. Who still uses cash is poor people, which is why convenience stores get robbed. That job is way more unpredictable and dangerous than bank work.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 2 2020 12:59 utc | 210

Posted by: jadan | Jun 2 2020 1:34 utc | 137 fear and loathing of the end times is in my bones.

And that's one of the ways they control you. The more fear, the more the population clings to those they *hope* are going to save them - anyone except themselves. Why do you think they keep touting "climate change"? That's the last thing I'm worrying about - just like the "population bomb" everyone touted in the Seventies was a load of bullshit.

@ Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 1:40 utc | 141

The "end times" virus is now a global pandemic with every nation gripped in its own fear & loathing, Christian or not. Great arsenals of WMD testify to the truth of this. It is not limited to the 7th Day Adventists knocking on your door, or sending you a DVD in the mail during this stay at home time of the covid virus. "They" have nothing to do with it, these mysterious agents of control. "They" have the end times virus same as everyone else with an even greater load of fear & loathing because they are all too keenly aware of the potential for the collapse of order in mass populations. A synonym for "anarchism" is "anachronism". It's a vestige of a more innocent time.

Posted by: jadan | Jun 2 2020 13:05 utc | 211

@ Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 2 2020 7:40 utc | 186

"Anarchist system" is a contradiction in terms. If it is anarchist, it can't be a system by definition.

I'm sure you meant that capitalism has an anarchic way of production and distribution of products. That's the social-democrat characterization, and it's false: capitalism does have a logic of production and distribution of products, which is the realization of surplus value.

The social-democrats like to define capitalism as inherently anarchic because they want to sell the idea that socialism's role in the cosmos is simply to "tame" and "humanize" capitalism.

Posted by: vk | Jun 2 2020 13:20 utc | 212

Exhaustive report on the facts and truths about what is happening in the US as we assist to the renewed intents of the far-right in victimicing themselves and now even more shamefully if possible, trying to discharge the chronic bully Chauvin, as happened with Garner case, by inventing any kind of preconditions as they invented for the COVID-19 victims laid to die by Trump's negligence of duty, as they preview the coming electoral disaster in November and why they have orchestrated all this to avoid already chanted defeat:

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202006011079489833-america-2020-where-anti-racists-are-terrorists-racists-are-president/

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 13:29 utc | 213

208,was directed at 205,BM,comment,difficult to post with a phone, but trying my best to counter the predominantly far-right presence and absolute silence by the usual alleged democrat regulars, except for the clearly at this heights out of place and reality, kumba ya comments by clearly privileged people who do not see anything at risk even under military fascist dictatorship, as they will continue taking care of their gardens while ignoring the smell of death coming from the crematoriums...

We have already been there, at least here in Europe, nobody knew anything, saw anything... while millions were being erased...

Posted by: H. Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 13:39 utc | 214

After seeing this picture of Trump holding the Bible as an answer to racial issues in the US, i thought the best solution would be that the African Americans start to look into it for what it carries of ancient racism... and dump it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52890650

Posted by: Mina | Jun 2 2020 13:52 utc | 215

oldhippie @ 210

Well said and very well served. For anyone who has talked to men who have been inside, the consensus is that bank robbing is the definition of stupid. The anarchist in question is a deep fake. He takes up copious space here, constantly reminding us of his anarchist(ness); and he drops the word "troll" often , in passing, like a nervous tic, --which is another tell.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 2 2020 14:05 utc | 216

And it's true Fat Donny Trump is President Peepotamus Wetabed sheltering-in-place in his bunker like Hitler did before finally taking his life. Trump is a clownish amalgam of all the famous historical dictators of yore. He's Stalin and Hitler and Pinochet and Mussolini and Franco and Tsar Nicholas II all rolled into one in clown garb. He is a disgusting puke of a human and in fact an argument can be made he's not human at all and neither are those who are his most ardent supporters and enablers.

The Dems, like every other special interest group, are trying to usurp, and exploit, the protests and fit that circle into their ideological square. It won't work. This morning CNN or MSNBC, I can't remember which, had a black politician on, a Dem. bandying the word "hope" again just as Obama did twelve years prior. Take your "hope" and shove it. "Hope" is for suckers. "Hope" is an empty linguistic abstracted concept that is beyond feckless. There is only action and "hope" paralyzes action.

Lizard is right, the chaos that has been unleashed is a Rorschach test of sorts. Everyone is attaching to it their own predilections and prejudices and biases and many are trying to usurp the chaos to their own deluded and narrow-minded myopic purposes. Thing is, you can't bridle chaos like you break a wild horse. Chaos bridles you in that process, not the other way around.

The scene of President Peepotamus Wetabed making his way to the Episcopal church reminds of Tsar Nicholas's Cossacks on horseback cutting down the marchers on Bloody Sunday in 1905. Just as Bloody Sunday was a signal that Tsar Nicholas had lost all control if he ever had any, this latest Trump redux of Bloody Sunday reveals Trump is not in control and is, like Tsar Nicholas, a dead man walking. Trump's steroidal Cossacks, who he indicated are itching to murder, should suffer the same fate Tsar Nicholas's Cossacks faced.

https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2019.07/original/5d2c83e885600a17ca3f0aed.jpg

Posted by: 450.org | Jun 2 2020 14:11 utc | 217

There is not one White House but many. Thousands. A proper protest, nay a movement, should address all of them. It should march on all of them, for the White Houses that never get mentioned, collectively, represent the REAL power behind the optical throne. Donny, or President Peepotamus Wetabed if you will, is their foil. These criminally psychotic insane extractive elite foisted the creature that is Fat Donny Trump on us as a joke, I suppose. A malevolent sick in-your-face joke and the implication is, "what are you going to do about it?"

You can start with this mansion near Columbus, Ohio. The Mossad operative Jeffrey Epstein knew it well.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/99/ea/ed99ea320aacae7028638bfa504ba92e.png

Posted by: 450.org | Jun 2 2020 14:22 utc | 218

Firstly can someone tell me ——- this new law about Antifa is it retrospective ? Just asking for a friend?

H.scmatz @ 208
I have to agree with every single word of your comment. You right 100% how do I know ? Becouse I witnessed the whole of it first hand, through choice !
Reality’s is my best friend! Good or bad.

Old hippie @ 210
Yes I agree with you on that. I say that genuinely. Hack is no longer one. He may have made unwise decision. How about you.

B is right. he and lizard that some here argue for the sake of it. rather than taking the subject seriously. We should sweeten with good natured humour.
He is an ex army man they know the importance of a good team.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 14:23 utc | 219

OK boys and girls, I think this has gone about far enough. Time for me to drop another of my manure bombs on this thread. You may perhaps guess what I am about to do. Something that has not been done before on this blog.

Time to Release the Kraken! You know where this is going. Time to introduce the amazing blog of Professor James Fetzer.

EXPOSING FALSEHOODS AND REVEALING TRUTHS!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ //
Alex Scott, Have "The Powers that Be" Just Staged a False Flag to Foment a Race War across America?

But, what if something even more sinister and evil was afoot? What if the death of George Floyd wasn’t a death at all, but a cleverly organized and scripted psy-op purposely perpetrated in order to sow further racial tensions in the United States in order to further an on-going agenda?

[...]

The following observations are my own. Make of them what you will, look at the evidence yourself and come to your own conclusions. I have spent nearly thirty years in law enforcement with fifteen of those years spent as a general detective. I am detail-oriented and naturally possess an analytical disposition. When looking at incidents such as this my first instinct is to look at the “big picture” and not simply respond out of emotion and/or outrage. With that in mind let us now look at what transpired in Minneapolis that has now ignited literal fires now consuming the country.

[...]

In reference to the on-scene video the black bystander, later identified as Donald Williams, who kept telling the officers to get the suspect off the ground and repeatedly stating, “He can’t breathe. He can’t breathe” appears to be a crisis actor and very likely in on the plan. He was interviewed on CNN and his statements made no sense. He was also displaying constant duping delight, which we see in a lot of these staged event.

Duping delight is a kind of subconscious coping mechanism displayed in the form of laughing or smiling when it would be considered inappropriate. Ask yourself. Would any sane and rational person smile and laugh while they were describing such a horrific and traumatic event?
// ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Submitted for your approval.

Posted by: blues | Jun 2 2020 14:34 utc | 220

Remind me again ...

Why haven't the authorities charged Chauvin with 1st degree murder and the other officers as accessories?

<> <> <> <> <>

The Trump/establishment playbook: distract, deflect, dissemble

  • Failure to fight the virus? ... Blame China.
  • Failure to act justly? ... Blame the protestors/rioters.

One might be forgiven in thinking that TPTB want to kill old people and black people.

First they came for {old, sick, poor, black, whistle-blower, the commons, etc.} but I was not THAT so I said nothing....

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 2 2020 14:56 utc | 221

It’s true. They have been preparing for this lockdown for a while. The Boston Marathon in 2013 was such one event. Apprehension of two dufuses with a six shooter between them was a police action. A half dozen policemen could have hunted and apprehended these two. Instead 80,000 federales were poured into Boston and the exercise began.
When found, they emptied over 700 rounds into the boat where the perp (sorry police talk) was hiding. 700. What were they afraid of? That he might get out alive and face justice?

——

What goes around, comes around. I think it’s called the boomerang effect. What you send around the world comes back to bite you in the you know where.
MRAP

The Department of Defense's Defense Logistics Agency is charged with off-loading 13,000 MRAPs to 780 domestic law enforcement agencies on waiting lists for vehicles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP#U.S._law_enforcement_usage

The law says they are not to be used in crowd control. Yeah right.
They cost nearly a million dollars. Your tax dollars put to good work.
One California precinct with 1 employee, received two of these. Go figure.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 2 2020 15:12 utc | 222

Great pick., b

Interesting to see one of the central themes in the "Great War on Terrorism": Dry out the money sources. Iraq? ...

Now of course concerning the historically long establidhed inner enemies and their financing channels. And whom would be better suited then Soros.


Posted by: moon | Jun 2 2020 15:20 utc | 223

The Alex Scott essay is all psychobabble hand-waving bullshit about emotional reactions of people in TV interviews and claims they are all actors, with zero evidence. It ignores all the actual facts regarding actual activities at the scene of the murder, the ones many commenters have pointed out in the past day or two.

The purpose of the essay seems to be to dismiss the idea of a setup by associating that idea with crazy ideas about Floyd and Epstein hanging out together at Fantasy Island. Typical black propaganda, the only thing Uncle Sam is still good at.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 2 2020 15:25 utc | 224

blues @ 220

The Fetzer article is horse shit. Crisis actors and numerology too? DJ Trump, the Captain Obvious of incompetency, is hustled into the bunker under the White House only hours after having the way cleared for him for a photo op, at a Church partially damaged by fire, so he can be seen holding a Bible! His minions cleared a path through the most impressive and menacing crowds since the Last Days of Nixon. And we are supposed to think that he or his clowns are capable of scripting and executing a plot to start a race war? There are lots of white kids and black kids in DC now taking part in the protest and civil disobedience. There is powerful evidence of solidarity.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 2 2020 15:30 utc | 225

Forgot to mention all the "I'm a 30 year cop" blah blah is simply Appeal to Authority, the most popular logical fallacy, next to Personal Attacks, of course.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jun 2 2020 15:33 utc | 226

ACAB! no more...

Posted by: sergio | Jun 2 2020 15:41 utc | 227

Off Topic-ish.

It probably means nothing, but it's 1-48am Oz EST and at 1-30am SBS and ABC went off the air. The TV says "No Signal" and the DISPLAY button confirms that neither network is transmitting. Ch 7, 9 & 10 are all transmitting normally. Ironically, Ch 9 was broadcasting a late night repeat of A Current Affair which happened to be discussing the US Revolt. Ex NSW Premier Bob Carr was warning Australians that it's time for Oz to cool down its Yank-worship because it's becoming obvious that the USA has the potential "to become a threat to the entire world."

So if the temporary shut-down of SBS & ABC was a plot by "Israel" and AmeriKKKa-worshipping Scum Mo, then it backfired badly.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 2 2020 16:05 utc | 228

SITU for ever... and All cops are bastards ok?

Posted by: sergio | Jun 2 2020 16:06 utc | 229

H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 16:48 utc | 7

"thanks lizard for suggesting you have faith in us in our acting collectively for all our mutual benefit.." that was my quote..

but this is what you quoted and went into a rant on........... "acting collectively for all our mutual benefit.."

and funny enough you brought up pat langs name - which got a rise out of uncle t @ 65....

the fact is people have to figure out how to get along and that includes living in a world with people have a different set of values too... i wish you the best in that..

was away all yesterday...

is that a user, or is a user using debs is dead as their name tag again??

Posted by: james | Jun 2 2020 16:18 utc | 230

Re: The Alex Scott essay. Granted the numerology aspect sounds completely crazy, however...

For some of my earlier years I had what I thought of as my 'best friend'. It turned out he was a complete psychopath. During our 'friendship' he was studying at a famous university, and he said that the CIA was paying his tuition. I thought he was lying (as usual), but what was quite curious was that he had no conceivable motive for saying this (and he never did anything without motivation). But even more curious was that he was constantly practicing numerology. He was always 'deciphering' the 'meaning' of license plate numbers, for example. The whole situation struck me as highly weird at the time. But later in my life there were many times when I would come across serious individuals attesting to this phenomenon. I just suppose "the truth is out there."

Posted by: blues | Jun 2 2020 16:18 utc | 231

Re: The Alex Scott essay. Granted the numerology aspect sounds completely crazy, however...

For some of my earlier years I had what I thought of as my 'best friend'. It turned out he was a complete psychopath. During our 'friendship' he was studying at a famous university, and he said that the CIA was paying his tuition. I thought he was lying (as usual), but what was quite curious was that he had no conceivable motive for saying this (and he never did anything without motivation). But even more curious was that he was constantly practicing numerology. He was always 'deciphering' the 'meaning' of license plate numbers, for example. The whole situation struck me as highly weird at the time. But later in my life there were many times when I would come across serious individuals attesting to this phenomenon. I just suppose "the truth is out there."

Posted by: blues | Jun 2 2020 16:20 utc | 232

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up

Like a raisin in the sun?

Or fester like a sore-And then run?

Does it stink like rotten meat?

Or crust and sugar over-like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

---Langston Hughes

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jun 2 2020 16:22 utc | 233

So tell me Noirette- what exactly would "political demands" accomplish in the U.S. political system and climate? You are spewing b.s. ANYONE who lives in the US knows for an absolute fact that the Govt (current and past) does NOT listen to, or give a flying fuck about "mainstreet" and what Americans want for a better society. - Citizen X at 53.

The US is an oligarchy masquerading as a ‘democracy’ with a pretend political duo-poly. They protect themselves and don’t give a F if children starve or are raped, eviscerated and thrown into bins. So yes the Gvmt. does not care.

The one who is apathetic is you not me.

Those in power, to be short the 10% who control the country (thru various means - the pols are bought of course - the 10% includes ppl who sit on decisionary nodes but aren’t particularly rich..) could be MADE to care.

A common aim is needed, my favored candidate would be *basic* free health care for all (how to frame that for the US public in a super smart way Idk - but not Medicare for All imho..). Imho this is not the first priority but it is a cause many could get behind. (Demonstrating or rioting for Justice or Peace or Black Lives Matter will never accomplish anything. Many of the ppl who do this kind of stuff know they are participating in fluff - see The Society of the Spectacle - Debord.) The main aim would be to get a good chunk of US citizens to set aside ID-POL, and develop a narrative of unity and solidarity in misery (not in those terms)…

Then what? Targetted demos, e.g. occupying an airport by sitting in the toilets and locking the doors. You only need 250 ppl for that. 100 in front the airport doing a demo with funny GREEN signs and naked titties! Too cool, cams galore. Just an example for fun.

COV19 furnishes a lot of lessons. Bailouts went as per usual to Big Corps, Banks, the rich, etc. But scattered crumbs were offered to the lowly, because fear set in that the plebs would get hungy and grab pitchforks (aka guns in the US.) The fear and bad handling is palpable - workers must return to work to keep the system going so that the top can rake in the profits and ‘normalcy’ *must* be re-established - plus, ordinary mopes have to earn their pittance in their tiny bizness, or…mayhem..(unless we can do ‘ …. ’..) One could threaten - no more normal. Unrealistic for the US? OK, why? Then what?

Jack R. wrote They are demanding justice for George Floyd

For sure. But what about the between 500 to 1000 police killings every year, many of the victims black? (The nos. are an underestimate in any case.) If they get ‘justice’ for Floyd with for ex. a heavy prison sentence for Chauvin, what has changed? What happens re. the next 30 blacks killed by Police?

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 2 2020 16:44 utc | 234

James, I posted this on the thread a few days ago, but I was wrong about Ilhan Omar. It was some other woman speaking. Sorry about that.

Posted by: arby | Jun 2 2020 16:45 utc | 235

"Holding up a bank is a despicable crime..."
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 2 2020 7:40 utc | 186

"Bank robbers are stupid people who do a stupid job..."
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 2 2020 12:59 utc | 210

.......

Robin Hood?

Funny how neither of you SJW bootlickers for the establishment mention anything about how the banks, wall street and US economic policies Rob the populace. Not a peep from either of you on White Collar crime... Who are the real criminals?

Petty crime is nothing compared to the theft by the established system which instigates crime. Prison Profit system funded be guess who? The banks and financiers?

Bill child molester Clinton helped with repealing Glass-Steagall? Continue licking the boots on your neck fools.

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 2 2020 16:47 utc | 236

As far as oldhippie, all I ever see him do is knock Hack. Hack sure sounds to me that he is for real. Not that I agree with him on everything but I highly doubt that he is some kind of troll.

Posted by: arby | Jun 2 2020 16:47 utc | 237

It's folks like B. at MoA and his supporters who didn't grasp the Covid scam and its obvious consequences. It may be too late now.

Posted by: Covid1984 | Jun 2 2020 16:53 utc | 238

So, that ( new to me ) end of the film of the murder of George Floyd, prompts the question - -
As this part of the film is so daming, how come it was clipped from all the Media views I’ve seen ?
Am I just overly suspicious now ?
Was the film deliberately cut short, becouse it was so incriminating ?
And if so by who ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 1 2020 23:38 utc | 110

It is very simple. The elites knew a blow-up of society was inevitable, so they decided to bring it on prematurely, under the control of massive presence of agent provocateurs. See Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 12:01 utc | 205 above.

The purpose of filming the murder was to inflame society all the more, get more response, create cover for more violent crackdown, create cover for legal crackdown, etc etc. Last part of the film didn't fit the narrative so it was left out, somehow leaked.

False flag.

Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 17:04 utc | 239

To add more bizarrely insane irony to the bizarre insane irony mill, here's tub-o-lard Pompeo so out of touch, it beggars belief. Pompeo is the most dangerous person on the planet. If there's a military coup, this competent autocrat will be the front man for it, not Donny Grab-That-Pussy Bone Spurs Trump. Grab-That-Pussy Bone Spurs Trump merely helped pave the way for it, wittingly and unwittingly. Pompeo is a contemporary Hermann Wilhelm Göring, and he has the corpulence to prove it. Hey Grab-That-Pussy Donny, do you know what Hitler ultimately did to Göring before the coward (Hitler) took his life in his bunker? He ordered Göring's execution. I say this Donny because I know you don't know history. I know you don't know anything except how great & magnificent you are in your drug-addled mind.

Amidst U.S. Crackdown, Pompeo Will Meet Tiananmen Survivors

A day after President Trump promised to “dominate” nationwide protests against institutionalized racist police brutality, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is scheduled to meet with survivors of China’s 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, according to his State Department schedule. NYPD vehicles have already plowed into crowds of protesters; police backed by the National Guard cleared protesters outside the White House with tear gas and rubber bullets; and the president, who chastised governors Monday for using insufficient violence, is vowing to use the U.S. military against further unrest. Amid China’s growing pressure on the city, officials in Hong Kong on Monday canceled its main event to mark the Beijing massacre for the first time in three decades, citing coronavirus worries.

Posted by: 450.org | Jun 2 2020 17:05 utc | 240

Following r/publicfreakout subreddit because this seems to be the best way to access small clips of everything from police brutality to police response from physical instigation.

Maybe I should just stop accessing reddit because they are, of course, a pillar of big tech and have their stakes firmly in fomenting more chaos and police state encroachment ahead of POTUS election 2020.

Indeed, reddit seems to be a catchall for wannabe-leftist neoliv SOMA. Neccessary for ego stroking and commiserating about the big bad right who to my knowledge have yet to make an appearence during these events.

People are mistaking police state encroachment as being some grand scheme of the right, but, if anyone knows their history about the rural right is that the hate the FED more than anything.

If there are some alt-right representatives who somehow condone police brutality, they are obvious neocons and paid instigators, who along with paid instigators representing antifa and blm and the like, all can be found on big tech's outlets.

We are lucky to have MoA. But I fear that these events are precipitating a crackdown on our liberty and our ability to access b's insights and the forums will be unavailable.

All according to plan and sanctioned and condoned by many here.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Jun 2 2020 17:07 utc | 241

@ 235 arby.... thanks! i appreciate that.. on your other post - it seems to me anyway, there are a few running feuds at moa and it is best to avoid them...

@ 205 / 239 BM.. i like your posts... i don't agree with everything you say, but i appreciate you voicing it all... but i have to say the concept of this isn't b running moa is one of the more whacked out concepts that has been presented here at moa... this came out of of his covid coverage...i have to politely disagree with your conspiratorial ideas on this.... otherwise, i enjoy your posts!!

Posted by: james | Jun 2 2020 17:10 utc | 242

It's True... Minneapolis School District to sever ties to Minneapolis Police Department:

"The school district 'cannot align itself with [the Minneapolis police department] and claim to fight institutional racism,' and 'cannot partner with organizations that do not see the humanity in our students,' Pauly said last week.

"'It's just gotten to the point where I don't think in good conscience I can give another dime to the Minneapolis Police Department,' school board chair Kim Ellison told Minnesota Public Radio last week. 'It's an agency that's not correcting its mistakes.'"

It'll be educational to see where the local insurrections escalate and abate. There's also the very evident lack of leadership Nationally, an aspect of the Presidency Trump never implemented. As Wilkerson noted, Trump's normal mode is as an "anti-leader" a "real, true, member of his base" and all the ugliness that implies. Trump is a "hater" and finds he can only identify with himself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2 2020 17:13 utc | 243

All one has to do is look at the protesters signs to see that this is not a planned operation by anyone. The signs are all home made. I always look for that on any protests anywhere, particularly if they have just started. Protests like the ones in Hong Kong where all the signs conveniently show up all nice and manufactured and many times written in English. That's when my tin foil antennas go up.

Posted by: arby | Jun 2 2020 17:14 utc | 244

"Imho the present protests, social ‘unrest,’ in the USA will just die out as usual, nothing will be accomplished - what are the politcal demands? zero.. - on to the next chapter of misery and oppression."
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2020 17:26 utc | 19


"The one who is apathetic is you not me."
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 2 2020 16:44 utc | 234
...

Ok read YOUR words I highlighted above.
The demands from Floyd family are to arrest and prosecute all 4 cops.
The demands from the Minn community are serious police reforms.

You are the one playing Eeyore- "nothing will be accomplished - what are the politcal demands? zero.. - on to the next chapter of misery and oppression."

The demands from the family and community have been clearly stated. Your ignorance is on you not me.
It is you that skipped from the actual event of murder and denigrated the National outrage into just another worthless protest because they have no demands...

And it is you who insulted me by calling me apathetic. I actually care way too much for my fellow human being as they repeatedly display ignorance and selfishness. So FUCK YOU

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 2 2020 17:27 utc | 245

Noirette @ 234

Good post. I read what you wrote @19 and watched the 2 vids. The 2nd one was really grim and hard to watch. In so many places the Neo-liberal order has tried to demonstrate that its control is total. The cracks in the facade that appear in one oppressed country are liable to spread to another.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 2 2020 17:34 utc | 246

BM I view you as one of the MOA pillars! You were there once or twice when I had my back against the wall, I remember that. I always read your posts, more often than not concur.

Regarding the the George Floyd video. This is early days yet. More will be revield!
I can only add as new usefull info ———
We have to remember that the term ‘false flag dose not meen no one dies.
I’m sure you don’t suggest that, some do and have.
We need to have much much more sympathy for George’s family. I’m sure you agree.
‘They’ won’t get away with this. This fuckery is over!
Y

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 2 2020 17:37 utc | 247

Noirette | Jun2 16:44 @ 234

If they get ‘justice’ for Floyd with for ex. a heavy prison sentence for Chauvin, what has changed?

It dents the virtual immunity that police now have.

=
What happens re. the next 30 blacks killed by Police?

They benefit from the precedent.

<> <> <> <> <>

If the black community looks the other way as their calls for justice are rebuked, what does that mean for the black community? What does it mean for the rest of us?

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 2 2020 17:40 utc | 248

It's True.... Astute observation:

"Three days of looting and the military comes out. 10 years of non-stop Wall Street looting and not a single bank executive in jail.

"That’s the real face of your country right there."

I haven't seen enough banks targeted and too many retailers. The Wall Street Banks and their branches, Wall Street brokerage firms, Wall Street Insurance and Pharma, and nationwide realtors ought to be the main targets since they much more so than police are the actual oppressors. As Wilkerson testified (17-19 minute mark here), "The Big Banks are behind it all [Transnational crime of all sorts]" and behind them is the CIA.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 2 2020 17:44 utc | 249

BM | Jun2 2020 12:01 @ 205

An excellent post for diverting from the real message... In short, it's a false flag to pre-empt the inevitable boilover.

... Well done "B" or whoever it is who has now replaced Bernhard, you are doing good work for your masters.


I've had differences with b. At times I've been surprised at how naive his views have been and how stubbornly he holds them.

But I forgive much of that because 1) it's consistent with my assessment of the "German character" via interaction with German friends, and 2) he provides great reporting and commentary in many areas and has one of the most liberal commenting policies on the internet.

FYI I value some of the commenters here as much as b, and as a group, more so.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 2 2020 17:52 utc | 250

BM | Jun2 17:04 @ 239

The purpose of filming the murder was to inflame society all the more... for more violent crackdown... Last part of the film didn't fit the narrative so it was left out, somehow leaked.

False flag.


Though I'm not yet ready to agree, I believe that a cynical view is warranted given everything we've seen from the Empire/establishment. They are not worthy of the benefit of the doubt.

Are there any interviews of the bystanders that made the video or who where present when George Floyd died?

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 2 2020 18:02 utc | 251

CitizenX @ 245

You have very bad manners for a newcomer. Noirette has been writing here for years and her stance and attitude is well known. The person you are attacking is speaking to all. She is not singling you out. People are feeling sad and are in grief as well as in anger. Did you watch the videos she offered @ 19? French people who have been protesting in the street for over a year and getting hammered. Maimed people have had an eye put out, or a hand blown off by so-called non lethal weapons. You have empathy only in your own narrow view of things. There is no quick fix for the arrogance and abuse of power that oppresses us. It wasn't Noirette who made it personal, it was you.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 2 2020 18:03 utc | 252

"You have very bad manners for a newcomer. Noirette has been writing here for years and her stance and attitude is well known. The person you are attacking is speaking to all. She is not singling you out. You have empathy only in your own narrow view of things. There is no quick fix for the arrogance and abuse of power that oppresses us. It wasn't Noirette who made it personal, it was you."

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 2 2020 18:03 utc | 252
....

I stand by my post at 245.

I am not apathetic.
I did not "attack"- I defended my character and more relevantly the Protests.
Something good has already come of this so I do not subscribe to the views that the protest are a waste because political demands are not clear.
You too wish to attack my character by defining my empathy and bad manners?

This is not about me anyway-
if I am insulted I will let you have it and am not shy expressing anger in that regard.

When did the internet become about newcomers and oldtimers?

No worries- Ultimately it is probably in my best interests to no longer post here. I'll leave it to you old timers to continue insulting alternate views, and the character of those presenting them. Apologies for taking up space on this site.

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 2 2020 18:35 utc | 253

@ citizenx... i have to agree with copeland... just chill out.. noirette is a thoughtful poster and english is not her first language - french is i believe... otherwise i enjoy your posts!

Posted by: james | Jun 2 2020 18:56 utc | 254

Citizen X,, I am fairly new here and I agreed wholeheartedly with your post to Noirette. Never mind this old timer new timer nonsense. So far I have liked your posts.

Posted by: arby | Jun 2 2020 18:56 utc | 255

IMO, Noirette was wrong that the protesters do not have a list of demands. They may not have a leader or a list and they are not organized but their grievances we all know and so does the machine know.

Posted by: arby | Jun 2 2020 19:00 utc | 256

And Here's a lady I agree with a lot on the subject of the protesters--

"Alternate timeline:

- US government prioritizes ordinary Americans over the desires of wealthy sociopaths.

- Derek Chauvin charged with second-degree murder immediately after murdering someone, because that's what you're supposed to do.

- Everything's cool.

- We're all still talking about Tiger King.

~

"The people are angry about police violence. What should we do?"

'Hmm... have we tried using police violence?'

"Yeah! It just made them angrier!"

'Must not be violent enough. Let's try military violence.'

~

Mainstream America is being made more and more aware of the vast chasm of difference between what their country purports to be and what it actually is.

~

Swift, sweeping policy changes would end these protests. Obviously they would. To believe otherwise is to turn the protesters into fictional, orc-like subhumans who have no human motives, who want nothing but chaos and devastation. To invent such things is to abandon rationality.

~


~

Trying to restore peace using the same violent police force whose violence disrupted the peace in the first place is a bit like trying to put out a fire using lighter fluid. The same lighter fluid that was used to start it."

~

Posted by: arby | Jun 2 2020 19:08 utc | 257

I'm True

I was conceived that way .

Posted by: Fíréan | Jun 2 2020 19:09 utc | 258

I am really to the webs of the highly suspicacy of the so called oldtimers here.

IMNHO, this excessive sensitivity to any disagreement in their points seems to imply that their points are sacred here, and so any newcomer who dares to disagree is deemed offender, by a whole troupe of regulars ( or non regulars coming out of nowhere all of a sudden )... to this add the hyperoffended oldtimer´s grievances, what leads to a somehow editorial line being pushed here in the comment sections, kept tight by some vigilants or gatekeepers at ceratin times when certain events happen.

I do not think CitizenX has been rude in any way by disagreeing or criticizing/confronting Noirette´s arguments, what otherwise is a sane discussion?

Obviously, people who always think the same on everything never discuss anything, If this is a club of likeminded people, just say it so.

It seems that everytime there is a crisis in the US, or elections for that matter, some feel the necessity to control the narrative here.

In fact, if it is time to whin now, I also feel offended by the absence or softeness in criticising Trump´s clearly racist and fascist attitutde precisely by the people who complain for CitizenX criticism, and who, at other times/topics are quite prolific and even ubiquitous...

I fear that as happens with the "good colonel" everyone has protrayed itself this time around....In fact, has een quite clarifying...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 20:28 utc | 259

@Posted by: arby | Jun 2 2020 17:14 utc | 244

Agree, the demonstrations were completely espontaneous, notice that there is no brand new clothes almost similar wore by most of protesters, especially those in front lines, nor a symbol, like the umbrellas, like in HK, already worn of so much times used...

What, imo, was preplanned to provoke this explosion of rage was the murder of Floyd, the infiltrated provocators ( including those who provided the bricks to throw, some black blocs of the far-right looting and breaking windows wishing to demonize the protests for political reasons, and all that points at who has benefited, Trump whose polls were in the minimum.
His photo op ridiculous operation says it all.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 20:51 utc | 260

@Posted by: Noirette | Jun 2 2020 16:44 utc | 234

Without any aim of offense, madam, as I understand, then you devalorize the protest becuase they have not been great enough or have not overthrown the government?

Well, what do you propose, a whole revolution, without organization, ideas ,as you point, vision, and so on?. That would be the best way to end with a lot of young people, black and white, dead. That sounds to me as when after the reunification of Crimea with Russia some felt it was not enough and degraded the event by saying Putin should have taken over the whole Ukraine to Kiev...Notice that Putin restrained....and this even when Putin is the leader of a nuclear superpower...

For once, in a long dark night since the 60s, some people in the US, the most unfavored, and those who have been disposesed by being left without a future, have dared to defy the continuous abuse, looting and negligence of duty of their government, they have positioned themselves in the political arena, in lack of real representatives at the height, have tasted the adrenaline and risk of fighting for what is worth, and have noticed they have felt alive, and amy e some even that they do not need opioids anymore... next time, if they are not erased by a military junta, this will grow exponentially. But even in case a military junta would try to erase them, wtf, it is better to die fighting than to live as salve on ones knees...

Thus, even in the case this languish in the next days, it has been quite encouraging for them, as so young and promising, and I fear an awakening on the hard work to be done to prepare the next good fight. it´s even possible that some political careers have just taken off...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 21:27 utc | 261

Well, as soon as I have gone up the thread, starting from the last comment, as I usually do when absent for hours, I have seen that the interchanges amongst CitizenX and Noirette have been several and that the conversation has gone increasigly heated.

May be I should have not intervened, but felt oblied as I had read the first comment on Noirette´s first post by CitizenX and did not find anything offensive there.

IMO, CitizenX got angry after several other commenters intervened to call him off. I fear that if they both would have beeb left to manamge their conversation amongst them without interferences, may be the thing would had not gone to such stance. Noirette seems quite capable of defending her points without the intervention of paladins...me think...

I hope both, CitizenX and Noirette, continue posting anyway...

With respect R.S. Hack, I have also in one ocassion pointed out some observations not precisely appreciative of his ideas on the state, but, precisely, the reason why he is being harashed here, that he robed banks in the past ( in case that is true, in the first place...) that would not be, imo, his worst trait.

If it serves him of something, there is an Spanish saying which goesl ike this Quien roba a un ladrón, cien años de perdón

The stake holders here should read the story of Lucio Urtubia ( although I am not sure they woukd appreciate ), who is spite of scamming the City Bank, never kept a penny for himself, but used the money to support comrades in trouble and those fighting for their rights in Europe and Latin America. He died poor, as he has always been.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucio_Urtubia

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 21:44 utc | 262

It´s even possible that some political careers have just taken off...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 21:27 utc | 261

Yeah, because how is that some of you only can think of an oligarch or a military man for to be your leader?

Why not a doctor, not Fauci or irx, but one of those who have fought Covid-19 in the first line, or a professor?

I fear that you in the US have the military way too much inserted between the eyes...You always look at the military because you have the Empire inscribed in your ADN...

The military mind, especially in a bully rogue state like the US is today, is way too narrowminded for the challenges this new century posses to any nation.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 21:54 utc | 263

@Posted by: blues | Jun 2 2020 14:34 utc | 220

This is a cop making what we call here "corporativism", that is, corporative defense of an undefensible action, trying to discharge his peers, as they have done during all these days at SST.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 22:01 utc | 264


According to this link at Newsweek magazine, the Minneapolis coroner determined that George Floyd was on Fentanyl at the time of the incident and that it contributed to his death. Doesn't excuse the cop - who deserves whatever he gets - but it does show the folly of rushing to judgement without all the facts.

And the people who are most hurt by having their neighborhood burnt out are not the Man, but the people who live there.

The Man doesn't care. He lives in a gated community patrolled by private security. He's covered.

Posted by: carl | Jun 2 2020 22:04 utc | 265

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 21:44 utc | 262

Indeed. There is also:

José Buenaventura Durruti Dumange, a Spanish insurrectionary, anarcho-syndicalist militant involved with the CNT, FAI and other anarchist organisations during the period leading up to and including the Spanish Civil War. Interested parties can look him up in Wikipedia. I believe there is also a book written about him that I read many years ago.

And Jules Bonnot, of the famous Bonnot Gang in France. The first to use an automobile to flee a bank robbery - and the first carjackers, since that's how they got the car. I recommend everyone read "The Bonnot Gang", by Richard Parry, which explains the history of the French "illegalists", and some of the history of anarchist crime.

I hadn't heard of Lucio Urtubia. Thanks for the information.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2020 22:07 utc | 266

the fact is people have to figure out how to get along and that includes living in a world with people have a different set of values too... i wish you the best in that..

Posted by: james | Jun 2 2020 16:18 utc | 230

And I manage quite well at that, fyi, with the average peer, I mean, even I will say you that I have friends, and even a brother, whom, in their ignorance, as informed by the MSM, sometimes hold points of view totally oppsite to mine, but allow me to keep measured distances with people who wish to erase me from the face of Earth only for holding leftist ideas and symphaticing with USSR´s most features, like happens with the far-right and "the good colonel"...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 2 2020 22:09 utc | 267

My thanks to b for highlighting lizard's comment. And thanks especially to lizard for touching upon universal values here. Great comment; it thoroughly deserved to be noticed, and remembered.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 3 2020 15:10 utc | 268

A lot to answer, heh thanks to some, too kind. Copeland thx.

Jack at 248, yes I understand that a loooong prison sentence for Chauvin sets a precedent, etc. But you know that I understand it, obviously that is aim no. 1.

Police reform (mentioned by others) - yes of course it is needed but such a reform implies a whole lot of stuff: changes in the law, in hiearchical organisation, aims set forth, in training, equipment, etc., including mandatory, "honest" reporting. But particularly ‘equal treatment of the public’ - away from, annuling, ‘racism’ (or sexism, or other..) The protest aspect can be whites supporting anger at deathly treatment of blacks (or other minorities) but reform or change has to go beyond those divisions and ppl often mix these aspects up.

…as I understand, then you devalorize the protest becuase they have not been great enough or have not overthrown the government?

H.Schmatz at 261.

:) yes, there is some truth to that. Obviously I don’t expect these protests/ actions / riots/ .. to shut down the Trump admin or lead to anarchy ruling the land or Maine turning Communist or the Pentagon staff to quit en masse!

— I am tired of the protest, PROTEST, actions and memes which seem to obey a ritual laid-down scenario, of the ‘allowed’ type - a kind of citizen expression outside of civil (i.e. ‘democratic’, institutional ties and links) participation in Gvmt.

The world-wide demos against the invasion of Iraq, the biggest ever, which had no effect whatsoever, are an emblem. (Well maybe Blair delayed a bit but there were other reasons for that.) The protests channel energy and encourage social ties … ppl go out and are outraged and feel good in a way …and the PTB have *in advance* planned the concessions they will make, some just effet d’annonce —empty announcements, proclamations (which nobody will check on), and others carried out, in part or not for while or not etc.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3 2020 16:07 utc | 269

"I am tired of the protest, PROTEST, actions and memes which seem to obey a ritual laid-down scenario, of the ‘allowed’ type - a kind of citizen expression outside of civil (i.e. ‘democratic’, institutional ties and links) participation in Gvmt.

The world-wide demos against the invasion of Iraq, the biggest ever, which had no effect whatsoever, are an emblem."
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3 2020 16:07 utc | 269
....

Noirette, I apologize to you and anyone else here that feels attacked or insulted by my comments. I try to focus on ideas and concepts- not personal attacks. You calling me apathetic is ridiculous- perhaps you don't understand the definition of apathy?

I pointed upstream about the largest protests in US history vs the Iraq war being ignored by the Regime. They definitely had an effect- are we not using it as an example to show the Regimes real interests and motives? Does it not give credence going forward that at some point protests will resort to "any means necessary"?

I'm sure you are tired of protests. I'm sure many who have protested over many years may be tired of protesting. The Regime wants to wear down the will to protest so we can all be obedient dogs, they want protesters to become apathetic (def.lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern).

I see basically 3 options to resist-
1- do nothing/say nothing give up (apathy)
2- continue protesting grievances (better than surrender)
3- violent overthrow (history has shown it may be inevitable when protests have no effect)

Best wishes to you and Yellow Vests.

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 3 2020 18:43 utc | 270

It would seem the protests to arrest all 4 cops have been answered-

"Floyd family attorney confirms charges against all officers

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for George Floyd's family confirmed that law enforcement authorities informed him of the details of the charges.

Crump tweeted Wednesday that Officer Derek Chauvin will be charged with second-degree murder and Officers Thomas Lane, J.A. Keung, and Tou Thao will be charged as well."

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 3 2020 19:20 utc | 271

@ citizenx... thanks for those 2 posts... cheers..

Posted by: james | Jun 3 2020 19:52 utc | 272

Regarding the Alex Scott article, I have witnessed a considerable number of events involving police brutality, some of then that almost ended in deaths. What struck me was the utter indifference of the police to the reaction of anybody close enough to witness what they were doing, all of whom would/could not dare to intervene lest the violence be turned on them. All the cases were in jurisdictions noted -- like Minneapolis -- for having a long history of police brutality coupled with complete impunity. To me, watching the video, the behavior of the police during the murder of George Floyd, was no different from any of the other events I have witnessed.

As for the second part of the article wherein the neighbors say that they did not even now that Chauvin was a policeman, that is perfectly logical since they also say that they barely knew him and that he kept to himself. As for coming and going to work in his uniform, I have NEVER heard of such a thing. Even in small New England towns and villages I have known, policemen and policewomen NEVER wear a uniform except on duty. They change into the uniform upon arriving and change back into civilian clothes before departing. This is surely true in a city the size of Minneapolis, where the police headquarters would have not only locker rooms but showers and probably a linen service to provide towels.

Posted by: RJPJR | Jun 4 2020 4:06 utc | 273

Quite right. However; the Patriot Act (P.A.) and the NDAA (National Defence Authorization Act) suspends and permanently removes most of American Constitutional Rights. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibiting using Federal Troops against the American People has ALSO been suspended under the P.A. and the N.D.A.A.

I had to laugh at Jeh Johnson ( Secretary of Homeland Security talking about the Posse Comitatus protections for the protesters on CNN; he was Secretary of Homeland Security under President Barack Obama WHEN the
2012-'13 renewing N.D.A.A. was enacted and he KNOWS those Rights are GONE under the P.A State of Emergency/ Military Jurisdiction put in place and REAUTHORIZED BY VOTE by EVERY Congress and Senate since 2001.

The N.D.A.A. 2012 Provisions allowing the American Public to be Propagandized has resulted in the anything-goes-truth-be-damned "highschool mudslinging" rather than Journalistic Integrity of days gone by. Also noticeable was the increase of Gov't drills going live- False Flag Shootings in the U.S.

All enabled....by....the....." 2012 Trotskyite Provision".... put in place by Barack Obama...and Jeh Johnson talks about Rights LONG Removed...….


https://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5

Posted by: Michele Baillie | Jun 4 2020 9:33 utc | 274

No prob. CitizenX I was perhaps hasty in my attribution of 'apathetic'. Have a drink on me.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 4 2020 16:09 utc | 275

Cheers back to you all, or perhaps good health and long life are more appropriate.

My stress levels from the shutdown are off the chart. They have imploded since last week. Hot tempered, frustrated, building rage, anxious beyond words. Trying to remain calm and cogent.

How to "make sense" of all this turmoil and conflict is beyond the pale...

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 4 2020 17:06 utc | 276

Can't argue with any of that.
All true.
Why try to deny it?

Posted by: Contra Mendacium | Jun 5 2020 4:11 utc | 277

Truth: The police force (emphasis force) are the enforcement arm of the corporation (city). That's right cities are corporations. The police force is there to serve and protect the corporation, not the ordinary citizens. Just go to your local City Commission meeting and see how fast the police force escorts you out if you say anything against the corporation. Usually the "City Manager" controls the police force. If folks could just see this for what it really is. If you live in a city (corporation) you are just a useful tool to the corporation. They use you and your property as collateral to get loans. For myself, my biggest enemy by a very large margin is .gov. Local, state, federal. BTW the police know who they work for and it ain't you. Do not confuse police (cities/corporations) with Sheriff (county).

Posted by: ceaclearly | Jun 10 2020 16:09 utc | 278

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