Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 30, 2020

Young White Men Abuse George Floyd Protests For Violence And Looting

Last night at times violent protests took place in some 30 U.S. cities.

The escalation of the protests is not being driven by people of color whose grievance about systemic police brutality and institutionalized racism is driving the original, and in most cases peaceful protests.

There are clear signs that other groups have joined and abuse the original protests for their own purpose:

Mayor Jacob Frey said the people who are coming to Minneapolis to protest are not residents and are "coming in largely from outside the city."

"Our Minneapolis residents are scared and rightfully so. We've seen longterm institutional businesses overridden. We've seen community institutions set on fire. And I want to be very, very clear. The people that are doing this are not Minneapolis residents," he said at a news briefing on Saturday.

He said the protests earlier this week that were mostly peaceful and were largely attended by those who lived in the city, but "the dynamic has changed."

"Gradually that shift was made and we saw more and more people coming from outside of the city. We saw more and more people looking to cause violence in our communities, and I have to say, it is not acceptable," Frey said.

"This is no longer about verbal expression. This is about violence and we need to make sure that it stops," he added.

St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said everyone who was arrested in his city last night was from outside the state.

"What we are seeing right now is a group of people who are not from here," he said.

UPDATE: The mayor has since walked back that claim. END-UPDATE

Detroit has seen the same phenomenon:

Detroit Police Chief James Craig spoke in a Facebook Live video late on Friday evening.

“You know, I love this community and we work very well with this community, and we know that the individuals from outside the city of Detroit who converged at the protest location don’t represent this city. They’re not from this city,” said Craig. “And so I’m just asking for all Detroiters to continue to support us, let’s peacefully protest. But outside of that, we’re not going to tolerate it. We’re not going to tolerate criminal acts.”

While mostly people of color were protesting the murder by police of George Floyd, the looting was often led (video) by white young men (video).

That the police infiltrate protests and political movements is the norm. But who or what is sending people from outside a city to vandalize it? Who put down a pallet of bricks at a bus station in a high end shopping street in Dallas during a time of protests? Who is supposed to use these?

One group suspected to be involved in this capture of legitimate protests are the "Boogaloo Bois":

On May 26th, crowds gathered in Minneapolis, Minnesota, to protest the death of 46-year-old George Floyd at the hands of the city’s police department. Floyd was black. Many of the protesters were people of color.
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On the internet, meanwhile, a largely white, and far right movement publicly contended over what risks its members should take to support a black man killed by police.
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On the Facebook page, Big Igloo Bois, which at the time of writing had 30,637 followers, an administrator wrote of the protests, “If there was ever a time for bois to stand in solidarity with ALL free men and women in this country, it is now”.

They added, “This is not a race issue. For far too long we have allowed them to murder us in our homes, and in the streets. We need to stand with the people of Minneapolis. We need to support them in this protest against a system that allows police brutality to go unchecked.”

One commenter added, “I’m looking for fellow Minneapolis residents to join me in forming a private, Constitutionally-authorized militia to protect people from the MPD, which has killed too many people within the last two years.”

These exchanges offer a window into an extremely online update of the militia movement, which is gearing up for the northern summer. The “Boogaloo Bois” expect, even hope, that the warmer weather will bring armed confrontations with law enforcement, and will build momentum towards a new civil war in the United States.

The Boogaloo Bois are mostly rightwing but the militia movement includes some African-American groups. They are armed and they seek conflict with the state.

The ruling oligarchy in the U.S. is behaving towards its own population no different than towards foreign ones. It looted the Iraqi gold reserves after the invasions of Baghdad. It is looting the oil of Syria. It is looting the money that was supposed to support the population during the pandemic:

In the ten weeks since the nationwide lockdown first began, the [Institute for Policy Studies (IPS)] calculates that billionaires have increased their wealth by $485 billion – equal to 16.5 percent. This half-trillion-dollar rise, for Chuck Collins, Director of the IPS’ Program on Inequality and the Common Good, is something close to looting the whole economy.

“The wealthy are economically distancing from the rest of society. Worse, some are pandemic profiteering, looting government stimulus programs and taking advantage of market monopolies,” he told MintPress News.

The looting by the oligarchs is one reason why I have expected protests and riots in the U.S. as a consequence of the badly handled epidemic. But I expected them for later in the summer, after July 31 when the federal unemployment insurance runs out. By then some 20 million of the 40 million currently unemployed will have learned that their old jobs are forever gone and that there are no new ones to find. By then mortgage defaults and evictions will have risen sky high.

Many of the affected people will not be from minorities but from the white lower classes. People who have lost their job and maybe even their home.

The social tensions will be extreme and will seek relief one way or another. Cornel West explains well (vid) why party politics in the U.S. can not be the way to solve this conflict. Something will have to give and it will not be the people - at least not without resistance.

Trump has asked the military to prepare to suppress unrest in Minnesota and elsewhere. Military police units have been put on alarm:

Soldiers from Fort Bragg in North Carolina and Fort Drum in New York have been ordered to be ready to deploy within four hours if called, according to three people with direct knowledge of the orders. Soldiers in Fort Carson, in Colorado, and Fort Riley in Kansas have been told to be ready within 24 hours.
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The person said the military units would be deployed under the Insurrection Act of 1807, which was last used in 1992 during the riots in Los Angeles that followed the Rodney King trial.

The shooting of unarmed blacks protesters would probably be welcome by Trump's core voters. He could even use that as an advertisement in his re-election campaign.

But how will this evolve when Trump sends in the troops and recognizes that the conflict is with mostly white working class people who probably voted for him in 2016 but are now inclined to shoot back?

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karlof1 #65

Recently, I linked to the most recent Hudson Interview and urged all to at least listen from the 40 minute mark to its conclusion, which is @13 minutes. And I do so again!! Hudson correctly calls the pandemic a "catalyst" that's accelerated what was already ongoing. That's what the execution of Mr Floyd has become--the catalyst for an eruption from the losing side of the never ending Class War.

I finally caught up with that extraordinary interview and that last 20 minutes is just dynamite. This does not look good at all for the USA unless they reverse the pyramid flow and then watch the trickle back down effect.

Without a major cash in hand boost to the working class and a total moratorium on debt payements (preferably an outright jubilee) the USA will become devoid of any manufacture, any profitable small business, any functioning society. And that is real soon!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 31 2020 8:23 utc | 201

Interesting article from Luongo:
https://tomluongo.me/2020/05/30/one-screen-two-movies-three-times-the-trouble/

One apt quote:
"Cops and protesters banging heads while bankers sit at home drinking wine with their newly printed Federal Reserve dollars. Same as it ever was."
— Michael Krieger (@LibertyBlitz) May 30, 2020

As I noted earlier. This has been done before.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 8:23 utc | 202

Reply to Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 6:23 utc | 182. It is disingenuous to conflate the conditions for forming militias with those for making a revolution, or those of Tsarist Russia in genera with those in the period leading up to October 1917 in Russia. The red militias in Russia were formed with some help from a disintegrating Tsarist army and were very effective in driving away the Tsarist police and in defending working class neighbourhoods, demonstrations and other workers assemblies. Lessons from the October revolution need to be learnt, from a 'manual' if necessary, but preferably by reading the likes of Trotsky who actually made a workers revolution and created the Red Army to defend it.

Of course Tsarist Russia isn't the USA, but it's also disingenuous to argue consequently that what happened in the only workers revolution to successfully overthrow capitalism should also be ignored. Even so, Tsarist Russia does have a few things in common with the US: (i) huge wealth disparities between the rulers and the ruled; (ii) a ruling class possessing unbounded hubris, much of it under the spell of religious and other superstitions, and whose interests are largely confined to living off dividends and other income sources as an entitled, unproductive rentier class; (iii) a consequent rotting social order and an imperial decline marked by repeated military defeats (albeit unacknowledged); (iv) a decaying infrastructure and productive base leading to the rulers spending beyond their means on futile military interventions and adventures to prop themselves up; (v) subjection of the populace to similar levels of peonage and an equally profound contempt for it; and (vi) equal levels of naivety and and superstition, along with contempt, among the populace for most of the ruling institutions of society that have so thoroughly disgraced themselves.

The dissimilarities are also quite stark (aside from the obvious absence of a feudal nobility): a working class more than a few generations old and therefor well brainwashed and inculcated, but the main one is the absence of a revolutionary leadership. At least the Russian revolution of 1917 had a revolutionary party, unlike today where in the US and all capitalist countries there is none. It is far more difficult to build a Bolshevik organisation in today's climate than it was in Tsarist Russia. But it must be done.

You might recall working class victories too. For example, the successful strikes and union organising of the 1930s. The Toledo, San Fransisco and Minneapolis strikes of 1934 especially that sparked off the formation of industrial unions and the CIO. These strikes were led by reds, and the Minneapolis teamsters strike was particularly instructive in its organising, especially of its defence. The innovation of flying pickets was invented here, and the 'battle of the deputies run' is particularly instructive and inspiring.

Numerous non-Stalinist leftists and some non-New leftists, predicted that Paris 1968 would fail. It failed because the reformist Communist Party of France successfully prevented the working class taking any significant revolutionary role in those events. The general strike scared the PCF just as much as it did De Gaulle and the PCF did their level best to suppress it. The Situationists were a petty-bourgeois artistic movement that sought to create change through the artiface of creating 'situations' (in keeping with its Dada and Surrealist roots). Many of their slogans featured in 1968, and 1968 still failed. The Situationists had no idea of where real power lay or how to go about exploiting it, let alone making or leading a revolution that successfully overthrew capitalism. The proof is in the pudding: 1968 didn't succeed because Situationism wasn't Bolshevism. Without an understanding of how to organise the working class to take power, the role of the bourgeois state and its 'progressive' pillars of support, and the need to shatter it and replace it with a workers state, then all bets are off.

This is no 'underestimation'. The task at hand indeed is enormous, but a start must be made, and in many countries especially the US today which has no mass workers party at all, these begin with baby steps that first involve the stripping away of any illusions of the state being 'neutral'. A cop's truncheon teaches more about the state and what it defends than all the university courses in the world can ever do. But it's also great that phone cameras and the internet are helping in exposing what's been going on since time immemorial. The next lesson to be learnt will centre on the role of 'progressives', social democrats other reformists (anarchists too), in defending the existing order. When everyday demands can't be satisfied, when betrayals of these by these political species are learnt of in actual struggle, and when a revolutionary organisation emerges out of the strife with a real mass following, if not now then in a subsequent cycle of unrest, then everything is possible.

So, by all means continue to ignore the lessons of history, keep going on about how today is so vastly different from other periods in history that nothing from those 'olden times' could possibly ever be learnt or applied to situations today. Keep seeing the glass as half empty, and look to bizarros like the Situationists as some kind of 'advanced' salve for the profound demoralisation that can only accompany such a fatalistic political paralysis.

Posted by: Stephen Morrell | May 31 2020 8:26 utc | 203

Yes the Trump/Biden ticket ain't gonna cut it.

Ventura would be a blessing compared to the no choice losers the "Greatest Ever in the History of the World Indespensible Nation" has to offer.

With that said- all my money goes for breaking the back of this Rogue Nation and rolling the di(c)e for a new and better govt.

Martial Law in how long? Rioting currently is just a warm up for what is to come in a few months. You know- when the Economy is "reopened" and the majority of people will be unable to pay their CC bills, pay rent/mortgage, let alone have a job.

With Trump "the pussy grabber" showing his true racist sexist cards just prior to Election time. Creepy Joes knee pads must be pretty thick for all his Corporate loving. Normally I'd sit back with a shit eating grin and popcorn to enjoy the show except it's likely I won't even have a stove by then.

For those who think there will not be a revolution- ha.
It's here- just not in the traditional form people can wrap their heads around.

Very soon Iran will exert "maximum pressure" on kicking the shit out the uSSa and tossing it from the M.E.

All of the other Nations the uSSa Regime has tormented for so long will exact just revenge. This nation is toast and it's going to be a hellish but well deserved ride for USA ! USA ! USA !

Posted by: CitizenX | May 31 2020 8:34 utc | 204

Nicely put Blue Dotterel @ 203
Que theme music to ‘The Gladiator ‘ where’s Russel Crow when we need him ?
The fall of the Romain Empire! Sequel The fall of the American empire.
Time to knock on the 1% ‘s door and spill the soup.

Thanks Uncle tungsten for the mention. Crazy times we live in.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 31 2020 8:37 utc | 205

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 8:05 utc | 200 And just because you feel old, doesn't mean you need to be :-) it's a mentality thing (LOL)

Oh, I don't feel old. I just recognize that 71 is a tad late to be engaging in dangerous shit. But there are plenty who have, and older, too.

I saw a Youtube video about a guy in his 70s who is a bodybuilder. Amazingly built. Then I looked at the date stamp - it was ten years ago. Looked for an updated version. Sure enough, there he is in his 80s doing the same stuff. Almost no change.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 8:39 utc | 206

Posted by: CitizenX | May 31 2020 8:34 utc | 205
"Very soon Iran will exert "maximum pressure" on kicking the shit out the uSSa and tossing it from the M.E."

Why give the US a pretext for destrying Iran as a further diversion? If the US is really collapsing of its own immoral corruption and greed, "All of the other Nations the uSSa Regime has tormented for so long", need to just sit back and avoid the falling debris.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 8:41 utc | 207

Gore Vidal, if he was alive might call what his happening now across the USA the third revolution. It would have been lovely to read hear his thoughts on the status of the American Empire. Thanks to Karlof1 for the link to the Four Horsemen.

Posted by: Tom | May 31 2020 8:44 utc | 208

Richard I like you. I can imagine the long conversations we would have during a mellow summer night sipping an excellent IPA :-)
Nothing beats the experience of a septogenarian except maybe an octogenarian. Stay safe mate. (I'm in my late 30s btw)

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 8:46 utc | 209

Posted by: Stephen Morrell | May 31 2020 8:26 utc | 204

Numerous non-Stalinist leftists and some non-New leftists, predicted that Paris 1968 would fail. It failed because the reformist Communist Party of France successfully prevented the working class taking any significant revolutionary role in those events. The general strike scared the PCF just as much as it did De Gaulle and the PCF did their level best to suppress it. The Situationists were a petty-bourgeois artistic movement that sought to create change through the artiface of creating 'situations' (in keeping with its Dada and Surrealist roots). Many of their slogans featured in 1968, and 1968 still failed. The Situationists had no idea of where real power lay or how to go about exploiting it, let alone making or leading a revolution that successfully overthrew capitalism. The proof is in the pudding: 1968 didn't succeed because Situationism wasn't Bolshevism.

I think you're giving the Sits too little credit. They knew precisely where "real power" lay and what had to be done - to a degree, at least - to deal with it. They told the workers what the workers - not the French Communist Party - had to do. But the workers didn't - and their revolt failed. And not because the workers weren't a bunch of "Bolsheviks." The Sits had plenty of criticism of your "Bolsheviks" in their time, as well - which probably accounts for your hostility.

You, on the other hand, frankly still remind me of someone who is a hard-core Marxist and Soviet Russian Communist, who has not realized that the world has moved on. Your predictions as to how this could go, while not entirely out of the realm of possibility, are extremely unlikely in my view.

When we start seeing *any* of the requirements you list as necessary for the next "revolution" actually start to occur, I might pay more attention.

Until then, I quote Percival Rose yet again: "That ain't gonna happen."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 9:03 utc | 210

to all of those cheering for revolution and change in the US, please keep in mind that a great many people share the views of Snedly Arkus. Overall it seems that the nation has become ever more cowardly with most people having no problem whatsoever with drone killings, cruise missile attacks, snipers, assassinations of troublemakers...etc. It is so easy to get people ready to vocally support murder and mayhem against the bad guy of the day as seen by hatred of Venezuela, Iran, Palestinians, Russians and Chinese. the vast majority of the haters couldn't find those countries on a map and would be hard pressed to tell you how their lives are worse because of those countries nor how their lives would be better if those countries were to be destroyed.

no, shit is gonna get worse, even more restrictions will be put in place. and everyone will put their heads down and beg for work.

and we will go down with a whimper.

Posted by: dan of steele | May 31 2020 9:04 utc | 211

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 8:46 utc | 210 Richard I like you. I can imagine the long conversations we would have during a mellow summer night sipping an excellent IPA :-) Nothing beats the experience of a septogenarian except maybe an octogenarian. Stay safe mate. (I'm in my late 30s btw)

You, too. Unfortunately, my drink would have to be water. Never learned to like alcohol. Took a drink of Danish beer on a Shell Oil tanker in a bay in Vietnam - tasted like that old alcohol-based cough syrup my mother used to give me. Then later drank a glass of red wine at the late naturalist Ivan Sanderson's home in New Jersey. Tasted exactly the same to me. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 9:07 utc | 212

So it's not the time to start changing your habits now I guess. Or maybe is it?
If you just tried inferior and bad alcohol then don't generalize. Like I don't do generalize with Americans (LOL)

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 9:25 utc | 213

According to statistics, the majority of the arrested were locals, from RT:
Minnesota most arrested were locals

Posted by: Vidar | May 31 2020 9:37 utc | 214

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 9:25 utc | 217 So it's not the time to start changing your habits now I guess. Or maybe is it?

Nope. Just was never that interested in it for another reason: never liked drunks, either. Not that everyone who drinks is, but enough are to turn me off it.

I don't know about inferior. I assume Ivan's red wine wasn't - he was a smart British fellow. As for Danish beer, I don't know. But in any event, after 50 years without, don't see the need to bother learning it now.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 9:59 utc | 215

@205 Stephen Morrell

Highly appreciated comment.

Thank you!

Posted by: vato | May 31 2020 10:20 utc | 216

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 9:59 utc | 217

Spot on. Nothing to add my man :-)

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 10:22 utc | 217

As Robert | 61 pointed out the Mayor is apparently lying, most of the arrests are locals, it is not some absurd imported white supremacist conspiracy. If anything its probably progressives as they have the most to gain politically. The US has massive socio-economics problems, seems though neither side offers solutions, just personal power grabs. I find this article is off base just as the corona fear mongering is. I've enjoyed this blog for years, but what else has it also gotten wrong, or will get wrong?

Posted by: Rancid | May 31 2020 10:50 utc | 218

I was willing to believe this event was spontaneous, but then this: "Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO and Paramount Take a Stand in Support of Black Lives Matter Movement Amid George Floyd Protests" (variety.com) happened.

In an unusual move, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, HBO, Starz and other major Hollywood players are using their corporate social media accounts to take a stand and support the Black Lives Matter movement amid the ongoing nationwide protests...

Unless someone can convince me that this is a fear reaction from the capitalist elites' media trying to defuse a societal bomb that they are afraid will take them out, I am now fairly confident that this event has been manufactured. Think of it as a "prescribed burn" to burn out the fuel that would lead to a bigger conflagration later.

(I wonder if some comedian will now post "Maybe they really care about Black lives!?!")

Posted by: William Gruff | May 31 2020 11:30 utc | 219

Posted by: William Gruff | May 31 2020 11:30 utc | 220

The "conflagration later" being August 1st, I gather. Yes, this may be a prepared burn for the dry season

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 11:39 utc | 220

Firstly I must say that if the rather mundane notion that this murder was caused by police corruption rather than racism, is correct, that shouldn't inspire any pullback on the public reaction because these crooked coppers felt empowered enough to publicly murder a man who was giving them a problem with their extra-curricular scams because they believed cops killing black men is an acceptable act.

We know that the primary alleged offender Derek Chauvin had moonlighted for 17 years as a paid thug for Maya Santamaria who sounds to me to be an amazing woman. A former jazz singer she opened up a restaurant niteclub complex plus a broadcasting studio for her radio station in her building located in the heart of Minneapolis' red light district of Lake Street.

I'm not going to sledge Ms Santamaria or cast any allegations in her direction other than to comment that business success for a member of a working class ethic minority frequently involves working on the shady side of the street. Not because of morality or a lack of it, but because these are the only open viable avenues.
Thugs such as Chauvin a policeman with many excessive force complaints lodged against him are attracted to such scenarios because they create the space for a standover man such as Chauvin appears to be, to prosper through violence. Ms Santmaria retired a few months ago.
Without coming across like a b grade movie, the way that Mr Floyd was deliberately murdered despite having been totally compliant with the arresting officer just doesn't gell as a situation normal police action.

There is something else going on. Had the store paid Chauvin for protection from street cons or did Chauvin resent another stepping on his counterfeit scam?
Of course we don't know that Mr Floyd did try and pass a phoney bill he may be a complete innocent butchered by a cheaparse uniformed thug for no reason other than mistaken identity.
However imagining such violent pricks as Chauvin and his offsider patrolman Thao would murder a citizen if there was no personal gain is stretching fantasy a la bellingcat too far.

Minneapolis has considerable history of organised crime, an industry which can only prosper with sufficient bent coppers to protect the crims.

Posted by: A User | May 31 2020 11:49 utc | 221

@Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 7:09 utc | 189

Yeah, that´s the scenario. For what if not was all tha preparations in the previous days of the pandemic which have gone totally uncommented, even here, and forgotten:

https://www.voltairenet.org/article209572.html

The walking out by the US from any International Law treaty is not but advancing what is to arrive, a rogue nation on esteroids so as to try to grab by force what now is offered too much resistance against.

Indeed, point 9 has already started, I am expereinceing increasingly difficulties to use my IT connection as i was doing some days ago, and thus posting here, or anywhere for that matter, since the events in Minneapolis started. My computer, quite old indeed, is incresingly seeming to have own life.

Posted by: H.Schmatzv | May 31 2020 12:03 utc | 222

Posted by: H.Schmatzv | May 31 2020 12:03 utc | 223 My computer, quite old indeed, is incresingly seeming to have own life.

I wouldn't be surprised if Internet searches and connections are slower over the last few days. Given the events, I'm sure the Internet - already stressed due to the lockdown and the number of people sitting at their computers at home running Youtube videos instead of working - is even more stressed.

I haven't seen any indication here of any real issues, though. Some downloads I was doing tonight occasionally had a hiccup - but that was probably Rapidgator's servers acting up, as they occasionally do. Wouldn't be surprised if their servers are stressed as more people spend time downloading stuff.

And of course, if you're running Windows, all bets are off - your machine could go tits up at any moment. Thank Heaven I'm running Linux. I only have to expect a desktop crash every few days, easily rebooted from. (All software is crap.) :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hackr | May 31 2020 12:17 utc | 223

Here's a song that is one of my current favorites and appropriate for the events. I found it while looking for another song by the same group which was on the soundtrack of the movie, "6 Underground", with Ryan Reynolds. A great action film from Michael Bay on Netflix. Check out the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLE85olJjp8

And the song:
The Score - Revolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b99r48grKGI

Lyrics
All my wolves, begin to howl
Wake me up, the time is now
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
Wide awake, the fever burns
Sweat it out, wait my turn
Can you hear the drumming?
There's a revolution coming
All this doubt is creepin' in
Inside out, I shed my skin
Can you hear the drumming?
There's a revolution coming
I been waitin' all my life
To live, when I've only been dreaming
Get love when I've only been stealing
Can't let time keep passing me by
Run down what I've always been chasing
Black out every fear I've been facing
All my wolves, begin to howl
Wake me up, the time is now
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
Wild things that turn me on
Drag my dark into the dawn
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
Body aches, I'm bound in chains
Well there's a fire in my veins and
Can you hear the drumming?
There's a revolution coming
Like every king who lost a crown
And all those years are history now
Can you hear the drumming?
There's a revolution coming
I been waitin' all my life
Run down what I've always been chasing
Black out every fear I've been facing
All my wolves, begin to howl
Wake me up, the time is now
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
Wild things that turn me on
Drag my dark into the dawn
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
There's a revolution coming
There's a revolution coming
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
I'm rising up, up from the ground
From the bottom, can't hold me down
Hold me down
I'm rising up, up from the ground
From the bottom, can't hold me down
Hold me down
Hold me down
All my wolves, begin to howl
Wake me up, the time is now
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
Wild things that turn me on
Drag my dark into the dawn
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
There's a revolution coming
There's a revolution coming
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming
There's a revolution coming
There's a revolution coming
Oh, can you hear the drumming?
Oh, there's a revolution coming

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 12:35 utc | 224

- One poilitcal analyst pointed out that the elections are Always a election on the incumbent president. And the incumbent polititcian right now is called Trump.
- Similar story with Jimmy Carter in 1980, G.H.W. Bush in 1992 and G.W. Bush in 2008. In all 3 years the US economy was "in a recession" and that's why people voted out the incumbent party/president.
- Agree, when Trump starts shooting people then it will turn away voters that previously voted for Trump. But would have happened with e.g. Hillary Clinton or Obama as well.

Posted by: Willy2 | May 31 2020 12:36 utc | 225

A civil war is the attempt to reconcile irreconcilable differences. This is not civil war, this is the consequence of the war of the few against the many. This is the breakdown of the social contract, otherwise known as the Constitution, which was written to "promote the general Welfare" but has instead been promoting the welfare of the 1%. This is "The War On Normal People", to use Andrew Ysng's prescient book title.

It's protest, not war just yet. This is what happens when a rigged system takes your house away and gives it to a hedge fund. This is what happens when a normal person is forced to pay 29% interest on credit card debt to some rich cocksucker who never worked a day in his life.

This is the consequence of the collapse of the American Dream. This is the fruit of the victory of financialization, the triumph of the oligarchs.

But just bear this in mind. There are not enough ominous weapons in Trump's arsenal to counter the wrath of 80% of the population. So far this is just protest and Congress can calm things down with a quick stimulus payment. But if Mitch McConnel is afraid to go out in public and if Trump has to wear Depends because he's such a coward and events are causing him to lose control, they have good reason.

Posted by: jadan | May 31 2020 13:00 utc | 226

You mean to say antifa? Any idea who financially supports antifa, and ships around to where ever they are going to do their thing. I get it is more satisfying to blame the altright's keyboard warriors rather than your ideological ilk. I mean who would want to admit those fighting against the man are actually doing the bidding of the man. Also my guess is BLM is sponsored by the same rich folks that do antifa. Gotta admit Covid19 lockdowns were a brilliant means to set up this nationwide color flag revolution. Also wonder how much the cop got paid for his extremely photogenic murder? When they do white guys, and they do plenty, they never pose. https://killedbypolice.net/

For the record I just want a peaceful, mind your own business republic. Somehow that makes me a righty. So I am a righty that knows the cops don't work for me, but they sure has hell do for your ilk. Now what is your endgame besides murdering people like me? I'm genuinely curious.

PS. To Richard Hack, that is utter bullshit. Blacks loot, because they can get away with it. Many then will market their stolen wares. Rather entrepreneurial, don't you think. Please stop making them helpless pets. Its degrading.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | May 31 2020 13:04 utc | 227

b added an update, in case anyone missed it.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 31 2020 13:04 utc | 228

Oh, man, this is all orchestrated to stir up the masses to the point they need to implant martial law they need to shut up coming portest from poverty and hunger. All this mayhem was expected, and seems that it is not even of the degree they have planned yet...

The police ramming on the demonstrators in NYC....they need more carnage and more rage...

https://www.rt.com/uk/490291-new-york-police-rams-protesters/

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 13:11 utc | 229

Time to see Spike Lee's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlacKkKlansman
for those who haven't!
Strongly recommended

Posted by: Mina | May 31 2020 13:23 utc | 230

BOIS

boogaloo and Pepe to
chaos playoffs, who are you?

tactical Matt his white skin hat
glass break spark
what you think ‘bout that?

Hawaiian stylin’
igloo proud
white hat Matt: can you hear me now?

chaos magick, new thought belief
black bloc comes
kicks out his teeth

they will not let them
honest rage

George Pink Floyd
make my day

Posted by: lizard | May 31 2020 13:28 utc | 231

If the local blacks protesting realized just how bad the shit is about to get thanks to the white outsiders, they'd lynch the sorry bastards. They're being played again.

Posted by: Morongobill | May 31 2020 13:34 utc | 232

As Trump and others decry rioting and looting, don't lose sight of this:

The authorities still have not charged the other 3 police officers (as the peaceful protestors have demanded).

Injustice begets injustice. The rioting and looting is opportunistic criminality but those engaging in it feel it is justified/excused as an attack on a corrupt, inhumane system.

We can't know that the arrest of the other three officers would've stopped the rioting and looting but I think it's likely that it would have.

I don't know of anyone that doesn't think that charges against the other officers are also warranted. But even the charge against Chauvin came with great reluctance, and IMO may have been prompted only by the mistake of arresting a black CNN reporter but not his white colleague:

Another CNN reporter, Josh Campbell, a white man, said that he was nearby the scene and also stopped by police. But after identifying himself as a journalist, as Jimenez did, police allowed Campbell to carry on. “I was treated much differently than [Jimenez] was,” Campbell said.

The contrast between arresting a black man doing his job and not arresting a white man that had murdered someone was probably just too great to be ignored - that's why Chauvin was charged.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 31 2020 13:35 utc | 233

Amazingly naive comments here. Any who believe Derek Chauvin was an ordinary beat cop are hopeless. Please, the Situationists were one guy. He wrote well and his rhetoric can be inspiring, but just one drunken scribbler. The quote above supposedly from Vaneighem’s Savoir-Vivre pour les Jeunes was written by Debord. One guy. Brought into the discussion here by a guy who claims to have been Joe Stalin, says he was busy robbing banks to fund the revolution before he got caught. And everyone here buys that routine.

Videos from last night are going down quickly but some things really stand out. Protesters in Seattle trash a cop car and someone liberates an AR-15. In less than 5 seconds an undercover Special Forces type appears to reclaim that firearm. In Chicago protesters have three cops on the ground and are grabbing a once in a lifetime chance for some rough justice. Cops are quickly surrounded by a cordon of undercovers who had been play acting as protesters. And a schoolmarmish woman with the no violence shtick. In all the most violent scenes cops are everywhere. Cops are directing this. Cops are controlling this. Grow up people.

Anyone political with half a brain knows that participation in street protests leads to 100% identification. The old phrase “taking names” is now done universally as standard procedure. And outside this geriatric forum most know that ID is 100%. I will talk freely here because I am old and have lived my life but please folks, everything you say in any comment is followed and tracked. You have no freedom of speech. You have no freedom. Th protesters know that if they escape arrest on the spot there is still going to be a price paid the rest of their lives. And they don’t care. They have nothing left to lose.

This is the moment of nothing left to lose. The number out in the street is only a few thousand here and there and the crowds are probably 10% cops. But we have arrived at nothing left to lose. Those who comment here still have a stake in the status quo ante. And don’t seem to know the status quo is over.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 31 2020 13:36 utc | 234

@Posted by: Old and Grumpy | May 31 2020 13:04 utc | 228

Stop projecting your right wing stuff, nobody is going to kill you unless you join the police shooting at the masses, kneeling on their carotides to the point of hypoxia or ram over them with your car. That is what the far-right has done every time they have grabbed power in history, go door to door extracting and killing every opponent they could target. And do not whitewash the far-right keyboard warriors as they have been a great part of the force who brought Trump in power to advance the fascist state in the US.

You can sleep legs loose since this is not a revolution of the masses against the state but a mayhem provoked by the state to advance its agenda of martial law required for when the knashing of teeth arrives even to your placid chalet in that exclisove neighborhood.

When you see your propiety seized and your saving evaporated by hedge funds like BlacRock, perhaps you will start to understand communists revolutions and why the masses revolt.

As a sample...of what is to come...This is only starting...It will not be only the nigers who will be affected but most working class, including those who think of themselves part of an elitem but do not stop being working class working for a wage, higuer or lower....You have been deceived by the debt commodity society they have created to keep you in the bubble of irreality...

Microsoft fires dozens of employees and replaces them with 'robots'


Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 13:40 utc | 235

blue at 204 quoted:

"Cops and protesters banging heads while bankers sit at home drinking wine with their newly printed Federal Reserve dollars. Same as it ever was."
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I don't want to argue with the sentiment but factually that statement is not correct.

The newly printed Federal Reserve dollars are not new assets to bankers. They are new liabilities. When the Fed prints it creates new deposits. To a banker deposits are a liability while loans are the banks assets.
The 2008 financial collapse resulted in a huge loss to bankers as many of their assets (loans) went belly up. At the same time the Fed printing (QE) resulted in more deposits than loans. Before 2008 the total value of loans was about the same as deposits because loans create deposits. But after 2008 banks had significantly more deposits which they must pay interest on. Fortunately for bankers interest rates have been low.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=r7jv

On the chart you can see that loans have recently gone up (not as much as deposits). The increase in loans is the result of the various loan programs guaranteed by the US Treasury under the CARES Act. Those are all risky loans that banks are only making because (absent any fraud) the bankers can't lose if the loan defaults.
It is Congress, not the Fed, that has given bankers a huge gift.

Posted by: jinn | May 31 2020 13:41 utc | 236

Posted by: jinn | May 31 2020 13:41 utc | 237

I think you may have missed the point of the Michael Krieger quotation. Perhaps, you might read the Luongo article it appeared in and is linked to at 237.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 13:57 utc | 237

- When are people in other countries going to riot ? People in China, Europe, Middle East, ........... ?

Posted by: Willy2 | May 31 2020 14:00 utc | 238

Russia is behind it all. There are no social tensions in the United States, except for those caused by devilish Russian plots to prevent Americans from loving each other and their adored rulers.

http://johnhelmer.net/russian-death-to-duck-reporters-of-the-new-york-times-ordered-to-lie-about-russian-role-in-american-police-violence-by-seven-government-officials/#more-23084

Posted by: bevin | May 31 2020 14:02 utc | 239

@Posted by: William Gruff | May 31 2020 11:30 utc | 220

You are onto something.

That was precceded by an astonishing declaration by US´biggest banks CEOs in support of the protesters...

Than, here they come also, how not, the ubiquitous at any protest "Anonymous" to the rescue...

https://www.rt.com/usa/490284-anonymous-minneapolis-police-hackers-war/

Not that there is no way too much reasons to portest and this can be a righteous moment to start, but such a "consensus" from the top smels of rat all the way....

But, hell, may be that they see the hen of the golden eggs really in danger....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 14:05 utc | 240

When the riots burn down Tuxedo Park in Atlanta and Palm Beach in Florida and Highland Park in Dallas, versus affordable housing developments under construction and the CNN building, and many other wealthy elite enclaves across this land that was once a wild paradise before the Europeans despoiled it, I will believe the riots are real and not fabricated to inculcate Martial Law so Trump and the cabal using him as a foil can seize and consolidate autocratic power.

If you want to kill a snake, you take its head, not its tail. The protests/riots, to have any impact whatsoever, should be directed at the REAL power, not at the errand boys sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.

I relish the day Stephen Miller suffers the same fate as Mussolini. It's a day I will cheer and celebrate as much as New Years Day.

Posted by: 450.org | May 31 2020 14:22 utc | 241


blue wrote:

I think you may have missed the point of the Michael Krieger quotation.
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I didn't miss the point that was attempted to be made, but factual inaccuracies in the attempt may result in shooting oneself in the foot instead.

One reason bankers are successful at ripping others off is because of ignorance of how banking works.

Posted by: jinn | May 31 2020 14:22 utc | 242

Terror state in place already....

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 14:35 utc | 243

In the Middle East it has been in most places Covid-curfew and not just a lockdown. Iran stands apart somehow... a free zone in the middle of harsher measures for once. People are terrified and don't leave their homes except for the grocery store. It has been spreading in the Gulf throughout winter and has now reach most places, with higher numbers for the Gulf neighbours. No way they can revolt now, rather, the curfews have helped Lebanon and Algeria crush on the protest movements that had been going on.

Posted by: Mina | May 31 2020 14:35 utc | 244

CitizenX @206: "all my money goes for breaking the back of this Rogue Nation and rolling the di(c)e for a new and better govt."

Sadly, that sort of scenario never works out well for normals and minorities... `specially not for the minorities. When societal order breaks down the majority of people want that order restored whatever the cost. They latch onto strongman leaders who promise to get the trains running on time and get the roving bands of outlaws and looters under control. The strongman leaders then proceed to deliver just that using iron heel tactics. This does not lead to an idyllic and egalitarian socialist society but to a very rigidly structured and hierarchical fascist one. That isn't necessarily so bad for the majority as crime will all but disappear, the streets will be clean and graffiti-free, and the police will get très formidable uniforms with impressively shiny boots. Don't step out of line and life will be good for you.

Well, unless you're a young Black American man. After the smoke clears from the efforts to restore order there will be surprisingly very few to be seen on the streets. Official narrative will be that they have been sent to reeducation camps to learn some self discipline and manners, which may even be a small amount true for a few of them, though the real truth is that fascists need scapegoats and there is no better scapegoat in the history of scapegoating than young Black American men.

"For those who think there will not be a revolution- ha.
It's here- just not in the traditional form people can wrap their heads around."

Revolutions often have a period of violence during the period when power transitions, but it isn't the period of violence that makes an event a revolution. What makes the event a revolution is the replacement of one societal power structure with a new one. The new societal power structure does not coalesce from the wreckage of the old. The new societal power structure must already exist in at least skeletal form and be on deck to deliberately displace the old.

Revolutions do not create power vacuums. You do not want a power vacuum. The social orders that pop into existence in power vacuums will never be better than whatever mess you currently have. For some people, and in particular the ones scapegoated for the demise of the old order, the new order that arises from power vacuum will be a nightmare.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 31 2020 14:40 utc | 245

For some people, and in particular the ones scapegoated for the demise of the old order, the new order that arises from power vacuum will be a nightmare.

@Posted by: William Gruff | May 31 2020 14:40 utc | 247

And who is being scapegoated by the usual Trumpist far-right wingers?

Those who usually are organized and would poss a bit of organized resistance to a fascist state, say, the antifascists...

There you have Pat Lang going to overreaching effrots in his own senectud to try to get "antifa" declared terrorist organization, when he, as trained spook, obviates the celar signs that this has all the face of a fascist construct to blame the antifascist, who could well be a lot of people out of the so called "antifa" organization of blcak blocks of always...This is and intend of demonization and criminalization of any kind of mass portests in the US, the same book they followed the Nazis in Germany in the 30s, when they lamed the arson of the Bundestag on the Communists, to then exterminate all the communists and unionists known at shot range...

This is the same play book we saw in Iraq protests...and that play book was directed from this US administration and Pentagon...

https://twitter.com/TKQ1777/status/1266941688972378113

These are not definitely the means of "antifa"....the thug cops of Minneapolis who started this do not work or are associated with "antifa"...

https://twitter.com/TheSolariReport/status/1266469549123174401

This is not an outcome desired by "antifa"....but by a state fearing worse coming portests for other reasons....

https://twitter.com/yhfncmkdken/status/1266905623746273286

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 14:58 utc | 246

Posted by: jinn | May 31 2020 14:22 utc | 244

Given that Krieger has a degree in economics and worked at Lehman Brothers, you are probably correct in saying he knows nothing about how banking works :) But I still see no evidence that you understood his point.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 14:59 utc | 247

Other then your TDS like "The shooting of unarmed blacks protesters would probably be welcome by Trump's core voters. He could even use that as an advertisement in his re-election campaign."
this was a ok article.

Posted by: Per/Norway | May 31 2020 15:03 utc | 248

I don't see everyone at factories today running home to get a gun and join a "defense squad." RSH @ 184 <==its a long run to return to myChinese factory with a gun from myAmericanhome..

I was willing to believe this event was spontaneous, but then this: "Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO and Paramount major Hollywood players are using their corporate social media accounts to take a stand and support the Black Lives Matter movement amid the ongoing nationwide protests...

...this event has been manufactured....Think of it as a "prescribed burn" to burn out the fuel that would lead to a bigger conflagration later. by: William Gruff @ 221 <= "there is no legitimacy remaining in the USA government; it has become a weapon, tool or device to allow a few to manipulate the masses." Those few are the monopoly holding (patent and copyright) corporations and parts of government doing business as private oligarch owned corporations (privatization).

I agree there is no place for a revolution of any kind when there is no constitution to replace the existing one.. A complete revolution was had in 1788, not a shot was fired, the government (1776-1788) of which John Hanson was its First president, defeated the British in 1778, and was dissolved, because the third party Founders (the Oligarchs) wrote themselves a constitution and got the state legislatures to ratify it.. But the legislatures conditioned their approval for the new constitution say they would approved provided the famous if and only if [iff] clauses were made a part of it. Those iff clauses are known as the Bill or Rights Amendments (BORA). The constitution became effective because the Founders agreed to incorporate into their constitution the iff clauses. I wonder if government fails to maintain the provisions of the iff commitments the constitution is obligated to by the founders constitution, does that reverse ratification? Does failure to maintain the iff commitments mean there is no ratification, if so, would that not mean there is no legitimate government at all and no authority for anyone to be elected to anything?


What's the chance that all of this violence and differences of opinion: corporate and oligarchs, using government, to deny the rights and privileges of, those it governs; can be resolved by merely writing a new constitution to be ratified by the all of those to be governed by it. Bexit happened when no one thought it possible.

Posted by: snake | May 31 2020 15:19 utc | 249

Given that Krieger has a degree in economics and worked at Lehman Brothers, you are probably correct in saying he knows nothing about how banking works
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That sounds about right.
The typical economics textbook doesn't even mention banks or money.

Posted by: jinn | May 31 2020 15:25 utc | 250

@Richard Steven Hack #104
Your idiocy makes the oligarchs smile.
Divide and conquer works better when the front line footsoldiers on one side are hated by the other.
It only gets dangerous when the common societal goals of the lower classes subsume the divide and conquer hate.

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:28 utc | 251

@_K_C_ #131
You are delusional if you think using a VPN proxy maintains your anonymity.
Go to AmIUnique.org and see just how easily it is to fingerprint anyone just based on their browser config. Add in cookies and other forms of active monitoring - you have no chance of remaining anonymous against a 1st team security service.

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:44 utc | 252

@A User #223
You do know that Floyd worked at the same outfit for over a decade, right?
That Floyd and Chauvin worked in the same security team, one outside bouncer and one inside bouncer, until late 2019?

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:49 utc | 253

The update in this article is a clear window into the writers emotional/ideological state. B parroted the mayors lie and then put up the weakest excuse for an update that makes no effort to correct the lie. You can feel the petulance. Moon has gone mainstream and has completely lost its value as a source of objective analysis.

Posted by: Brett | May 31 2020 16:00 utc | 254

You said: "young white men" have you ignored to watch the videos who assault white people, beat them to a pulp?

Posted by: Zanon | May 31 2020 16:01 utc | 255

Flint Sheriff joins protesters

Posted by: arby | May 31 2020 16:22 utc | 256

Nice conspiracy turds, do we think we are so stupid that we don't regonize the antifa insignias, the hammer and sickle symbols, the anarchist A, the black bloc tactics and saw that horrible video of a man holding a US flag getting brutally beaten up by you communists pig dogs?

As for who left those bricks for antifa and BLM criminals to use, why don't you ask Soros and his open society group about that since he is the chief financier for those terrorist groups.

My gun is ready, are you ready for what you are unleashing?

Posted by: Whitey Mighty | May 31 2020 16:43 utc | 257

Posted by: arby | May 31 2020 16:22 utc | 257

That he served all those presidents and executive protection team smells of foul play and intent of hijacking the legitimate protests for politcal gaining...

Posted by: H.Schmatzv | May 31 2020 17:07 utc | 258

Day 5 of coverage on https://unicornriot.ninja/live-channel/ begins with local black (55-year old) business owner's resentment at out-of-town insurrectionists, consistent with my earlier take, followed by (@9:00ish) local young black women who are giddy with the wildness of what's happening in their neighborhood.

It's pretty common for police provocateurs to kickstart the property destruction in the US, and in color revolutions abroad.

Funding starts as self-funding or informally croudsourced from friends and relatives, develops into more formal croudsourcing, particularly of higher-profile (twitter etc) commentators and informal reporters, and sometimes of infrastructure (food, legal, etc.).

Finally, there sometimes becomes enough structure (not yet), that some big anonymous donors throw in. In New Orleans after Katrina, Michael Moore was a big anonymous donor. In Occupy Chicago, Lupe Fiasco was. Occupy Wall Street in NYC had probably $250,000 donated at its peak, because people throw money at stuff like that. None of it was earmarked by donors (beyond in-kind, ie warehouse space). It destroyed OWS because their decision structures weren't equipped to deal with that absurdly large sum of money.

Often the life cycle of protests after a televised police killing of a black person is that local youth come out and begin to self-organize. Some blow off steam, some debate. They develop self-organization and very astute but very local demands. Out of town insurrectionists (antifa, non-ideological nihilists, and right-wing insurrectionists) show up for the circus and are resented by some local factions. Finally, national nonprofits like Black Lives Matter and undefinable organizations like some of the Democratic Party's wings take "leadership," disempower the youth, who head home, and substitute their demands for those of the youth.

If these uprisings are remembered to have polititcal content, it is usually the messaging of the national orgs that gets remembered (eg. body cams after Ferguson).

I've never heard of Soros/OSI donating to parties in these sorts of actions in a way that is discoverable. Many anonymous donors are discoverable. Things are usually cash-poor at this stage anyway. No infrastructure for recieving funding. I would bet Soros mostly funds abroad, not domestically.

Consider these actions to be an overlapping of multiple tendencies:
* Local grief/anger/hope/nihilism
* Block party/rave of out-of-town nihilists
* Circus/frustration for bystanders and for police
* Opportunity for nonprofit sector and Dem persons to "build their brand" as part of their social climbing
* Marketing/sales opportunity for military/police equipment vendors

Here's a relevant clip from Fritz the Cat by Ralph Bakshi on how the '60s ended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0RP6w5Aoy0

Punishment Park is a Peter Watkins film from that time that imagined the consequences on the Insurrection Act being invoked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bRMMdaQ790

Posted by: boots | May 31 2020 17:20 utc | 259

so far I'm spot on. Some "news" outlets already are mentioning something like my scenario going to happen...
Still. I really really hope I'm wrong 😔

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 18:38 utc | 260

This is bullshit. This narrative is being pushed by social media sock puppets, liberal and conservative media thought leaders, cops, and other entrenched interests in the US to sow division within and among the protest movement. These elites and propagandists simply want a "nonviolent" protest that they can safely ignore. (remember that stupid pink pussy hat protest? WTF did that achieve?) I will remind everyone that damaging an inanimate object is *not* violence. Damaging and killing people is. Don't be spreading this shit, b. I promise you that the property destruction is very much a diverse affair, but that whites are simply taking the larger risks because they are less likely to be shot and killed for doing so.

Posted by: Arkady Bogdanov | May 31 2020 18:44 utc | 261

I doubt these protests/riots will lead to any positive reforms, Trump already announced that he will declare Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and Barr is now equating rioting with terrorism (that's huge F*ing stretch there Barr). The US now looks set to bring the foreign oppression home rather than give an inch to the domestic policy demands of the protestors. I suspect the following will now happen

1. the arrested police officers will be tried and eventually acquitted after a long series of trials and appeals
2. Anti-Terrorist legislation will be used against the protestors, this will be appealed to the supreme court which will uphold the convictions
3. Anti-Terrorist legislation will now be regularity used against protestors long after Trump leaves office (either in 2021 or 2025, it doesn't matter). Even if a Democrat replaces Trump the obvious political benefits of using Anti-terrorist legislation against political rivals (both within the party and in the opposing party) will be too intoxicating to reject
4. Since no established party is willing to make even token concessions to protestors over even the most blatant crimes committed against the people. Social tension will continue to rise and violent protests and popular riots will become a regular feature of American life as political reforms are impossible
5. Beset by constant protests, riots, declining tax revenues and skyrocketing prison costs, state governments will make more use of pardons and discretionary prosecutions to try and buy off protestors without agreeing to meaningful reform. This will not work and people will become normalized to riots followed by amnesties.
6. The US will continue to become ungovernable

The next 10 years will be a sh*tshow of incredible magnitude, imagine a lawnsprikler system connected to a septic tank. Prepare for a show to remember!

Posted by: Kadath | May 31 2020 18:54 utc | 262

my number 12 is also happening. Antifa now a terror organization...

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 19:13 utc | 263

who will be next?

Posted by: Fabtour | May 31 2020 19:18 utc | 264

"Why give the US a pretext for destrying Iran as a further diversion? If the US is really collapsing of its own immoral corruption and greed, "All of the other Nations the uSSa Regime has tormented for so long", need to just sit back and avoid the falling debris."

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 8:41 utc | 209
............

Oh c'mon Blue- Does International Law, War Crimes or Crimes Against Humanity actually mean ANYTHING to you?
This is one of the things that infuriates me regarding Americans(Western) hypocritical ignorant ideology- they are incapable of context and looking at the bigger picture beyond their propagandized brains.

The uSSa regime IS trying to destroy Iran and has been for some time. The only means at the regimes disposal to carry that out now would be NUKES. The uSSa will be obliterated if it does so-

The uSSa has murdered millions in the M.E. with its illegal wars of aggression. Iraq, Syria, Afghan, Libya, Yemen et fucking cetera.

Strategy and timing are critical for Nations being attacked by the uSSa. This Rogue nation is, and has been murdering people around the globe for decades- it must stop NOW.

Posted by: CitizenX | May 31 2020 21:28 utc | 265

For some people, and in particular the ones scapegoated for the demise of the old order, the new order that arises from power vacuum will be a nightmare.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 31 2020 14:40 utc | 247
...

Thanks for the good insights-

The current Regime is a nightmare- and the millions who have been murdered by its wars of aggression are no longer dreaming.

Posted by: CitizenX | May 31 2020 21:32 utc | 266

Posted by: oldhippie | May 31 2020 13:36 utc | 236 The quote above supposedly from Vaneighem’s Savoir-Vivre pour les Jeunes was written by Debord. One guy.

You are a complete idiot. Vaneighem was interviewed by any number of people in the past. Anyone can look that fact up. You're seriously hallucinatory.

"Brought into the discussion here by a guy who claims to have been Joe Stalin, says he was busy robbing banks to fund the revolution before he got caught. And everyone here buys that routine."

And you're the one brilliant individual who is so smart that he doesn't. In reality, you're a complete moron who is obviously on some sort of major hallucinogen. Or perhaps not. Perhaps you have a real agenda of disrupting this site as part of a paid hasbara role.

In fact, if we want to know who is the police provocateur, I suggest we look no further than "oldhippie" - who rolls in here every once in a while to cast insults and spout bullshit.

Who's paying you? What's your real agenda?

"but please folks, everything you say in any comment is followed and tracked."

So that's your agenda? To try to scare everyone here into not analyzing what's going on? Knowing that MoA gets read by quite a few people outside the main barflies.

I stand by my comments. I use my real name. Posts under my real name can be tracked all over the Internet - including this site in the past - on matters of Iran, Syria, computer security, and other matters of foreign and social policy. Who is "oldhippie" - who claims he doesn't care any more, but uses a pseudonym intended to make him sound like he's on our side. Anyone ever heard of him on any other site? Do a search for "Richard Steven Hack" - see how many posts all over the place in the last fifteen years. People like Mark Sloboda have seen my name on Twitter back when I had a Twitter account. People at Antiwar.com have seen my posts for years. I did a search for "oldhippie" - nothing except one guy on an X-Plane forum, whatever that is.

So who's the bullshit artist here? Who's the real troll?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 21:39 utc | 267

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:44 utc | 254 Divide and conquer works better when the front line footsoldiers on one side are hated by the other.
It only gets dangerous when the common societal goals of the lower classes subsume the divide and conquer hate.

Where did I disagree with any of that? What I said was I don't expect *this* society to pull that off.

"You are delusional if you think using a VPN proxy maintains your anonymity. Go to AmIUnique.org and see just how easily it is to fingerprint anyone just based on their browser config. Add in cookies and other forms of active monitoring - you have no chance of remaining anonymous against a 1st team security service."

You are mostly correct on that. However, one of the things revealed by Edward Snowdon was that the NSA hates the TOR network because it makes their job much harder. However, you are correct that consumer VPNs are only useful for keeping nosy people like one's ISP out of your business. If one is worried about being targeted for one's views, first, that's unlikely because there are millions of people with views the state doesn't like, and second, a consumer level VPN isn't going to protect you if you are really targeted as an individual.

This is What a Tor Supporter Looks Like: Edward Snowden

These Are Edward Snowden's Favorite Security Tools (That Anyone Can Use)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 21:53 utc | 268

Looks like I botched that second link. Let's try that again.

These Are Edward Snowden's Favorite Security Tools (That Anyone Can Use)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 21:54 utc | 269

@ Stephen Morrell | May 31 2020 4:14 utc | 165

Karl Marx agreed with you, wholeheartedly.

“To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising.”

from -- Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, London, March, 1850

Communist League Index | 1847 Index | Marx/Engels Archive

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm -- para 3)2.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jun 1 2020 0:52 utc | 270

This comment by "Tidewater" over at SST is the best comment I have read from the forums.

The videos from the street have made dupes of millions. I don't think the MSM actually sees the reality, or wants to see the reality. The courts deal with reality to the best of their ability. What is coming is going to be very dangerous. If it becomes necessary to sacrifice a few police officers to the mob, then the police will know how--by the book--to kill the black man who even thinks about stepping over the line. I predict that a lot of black men are going to die in the coming weeks, months and years. And that will be acceptable to the majority of the American people.

Tragedy abounds...

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 1 2020 1:49 utc | 271

@263 kadath. Good post, txs.

Posted by: Lozion | Jun 1 2020 3:10 utc | 272

Regarding the "White armband" issue that some people above have mentioned, this article below includes tweets by protesters saying that these armbands are worn by undercover cops to identity each other.

Also, regarding the broader issue of destructive riots and who is really doing them....

Nothing Is Certain But Death, Taxes, And Police Infiltration Of US Protests
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/05/30/nothing-is-certain-but-death-taxes-and-police-infiltration-of-us-protests/

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 1 2020 5:29 utc | 273

funny how both the right and the left blame Soros. So what is he? Oh, he finances both sides, right?
Even funnier, is how people deliberately mix communism and Corporatism. Both are NOTHING alike.
RT already refuted the claims of the Minneapolis major.
You can look at the rioting as an angry futile attempt to act against the system that is controlling people's lives. It makes perfect sense that people will riot and loot. People in USA are getting poorer and they are getting angry.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jun 1 2020 6:11 utc | 274

"Hours ago I saw numerous images of 'demonstrators' wearing a white armband. They were all circled with the question being who are these people. All caucasian as I recall."

If you go over to Jimmy Dore's web site, he will provide you with the answer as to who these white armband people are. They are undercover police, and using a particular color armband, or wearing a particular colored shirt or cap, is how they identify each other. And, as Jimmy Dore points out in various videos of the protests, the role of these undercover cops is to instigate violence and give the uniformed cops an excuse to beat up the peaceful protesters. This is something that has a long history in the U.S., and continues in the present moment.

Posted by: R.A. | Jun 1 2020 6:20 utc | 275

@bob sykes lled
I remember the cold war in Europe very well. those so called "violent communists groups" as you called them were nothing of the kind. Maybe you better look up Operation Gladio when you have the time. Aldo Moro was killed by a fake "communist" group exactly because he wanted to create a government in Italy that included Communists.
And antifa doesnt exist. its a fake CIA created fantasy, on the same par as the fake Al Qaeda and ISIS who turned out in the end to have been financed by the very West that supposedly was fighting them.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jun 1 2020 6:24 utc | 276

By the way, anything that Bellingcat says i would take with whole bushels of salt. It is well known that Bellingcat supports the agenda of western intelligence agencies, and is probably funded by them. Their purpose has been to make propaganda supporting the efforts of the U.S. in Syria--stuff like that. So, if they start commenting on events in the U.S., you can be sure that they are working on behalf of those same intelligence agencies. I would seriously question if there really is any such group as the "Boogaloo Bois", etc. It sound like made up disinfo to me.

Posted by: R.A. | Jun 1 2020 6:25 utc | 277

Posted by: H.Schmatzv | May 31 2020 12:03 utc | 224

I quite often read Thierry, but had missed this one. That unfortunately works well within my hypothetical scenario. So we already have a name for the next man in charge, although I should maybe dig a bit further before jumping to conclusions.
We should also keep in mind, that it is still the very early stages of the "transformation" and so far no or very few live bullets were used. Yesterday I saw that some good cops do indeed solidarize and walk with the protesters (only a handful but still...) and this gives me reason to hope that the ingrained freedom culture (ok, ok, I know guys...) may still prevail.
What is most scary is that there is no way to know with any degree of confidence what's really going to happen next. "There are known unknowns and unkown unknowns", to quote another Donald.
If by end of August the signs are "green" I may have just written a nice plot for a TV series, if the signs are "red" however....

Posted by: Fabtour | Jun 1 2020 6:46 utc | 278

Reply to AntiSpin | Jun 1 2020 0:52 utc | 271: Aside from the improved effectiveness of the weaponry, things haven't changed much since 1850, despite the efforts of many to convince us that things have 'moved on'. And of course grandfather Karl expressed the issue far better than I could...

Posted by: Stephen Morrell | Jun 1 2020 8:36 utc | 279

A User @ 223

...Without coming across like a b grade movie, the way that Mr Floyd was deliberately murdered despite having been totally compliant with the arresting officer just doesn't gell as a situation normal police action.

There is something else going on...

hmm...what ch'all make of this?

Posted by: john | Jun 1 2020 10:04 utc | 280

john @281

An important contribution. Thanks for posting.

As the link you provided clearly shows, the ambulance collecting George Floyd's body were police and not medical (EMT) staff.

I would add that the police appear to already know that George Floyd had passed and they were just continuing the pretence of pinning him down until' the fake ambulance could arrive and take George Floyd's body away.

Also, there was no attempt at assessment (e.g. whether it was safe to move the body, triage, emergency treatment, etc); instead, George Floyd's body was just whisked away. And that does not appear to be the correct way for EMT/ambulance crew to move a person/body on to a stretcher.

I would conclude that George Floyd was already dead before the responsible police officers called in the fake ambulance.

Posted by: ADKC | Jun 1 2020 11:04 utc | 281

karlof1 -

That Gary Null/Michael Hudson podcast was fascinating. Thanks for linking to it.

Posted by: Alexander | Jun 1 2020 11:46 utc | 282

@ 58 Mark2

Many here in the US are aware that antifa is a clever marketing name for those who choose to act like fascists. We have all seen antifa instigating violence at peaceful protests, beating the elderly and attacking unarmed counter protestors when numbers heavily favor antifa. Also, why is it that when antifa members are arrested so many are found to be carrying gift cards from the same issuer? You can spew that garbage all you want but it aint flying in the US.

Posted by: Fractional Ownership | Jun 1 2020 13:33 utc | 283

@ b

Boogaloo bois? Sorry but your analysis is a little flawed on this one, can't be correct all the time from open source analysis. You do love to blame the right wing. Keep digging, I'm certain you will find the truth if anyone can.

Posted by: Fractional Ownership | Jun 1 2020 13:42 utc | 284

@Posted by: ADKC | Jun 1 2020 11:04 utc | 282

I also noticed that unprofessional careless managing of Floyd´s body ( already corpse? )...lack of resuscitation maneuvers, like heart massage of open airway, in site in any way, saving a life is a matter of few minutes, may be seconds, once breath stopped...

This is why I suspect a pre-planned event...in my view to demonize coming protests for other rightful reasons and legitimate "hunting season" for the white supremacists on the antifascists...there are already white armed militias over there once Trump called them into action, after he went underground to the bunker, the very Hitler style.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 14:18 utc | 285

@Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 1 2020 1:49 utc | 272

That comment and almost the whole thread is not but vomitive, including classist white supremacist stuff by one Eric Newhill.

That blog is really uncovering what is really about..in fact I discovered it quite time ago...
The Constitutionalist Libertarian the owner he is not. In any case he only understand the Constitution and freedoms when it is to favor him and his class.

Despicable as it could be. This is the people who fuel the protests, y ignoring the white supremacist provocaterus and pushing for Trump´s line to advance the fascist state.
No wonder they are so keen on Franco.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 14:31 utc | 286

@ 281 john.. thanks for sharing.. interesting addition...

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 15:08 utc | 287

Channeling his inner Dick Cheney, Donald Trump courageously fled into a bunker in the face of police brutality protests outside the White House this past Friday.

Perhaps Trump is afraid of facing his very own King Louis XVI moment--if you know what I mean.

Olympus Has Fallen!

LOL.

Trump fled to bunker as protests over George Floyd raged outside White House
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/trump-flees-to-bunker-as-protests-over-george-floyd-rage-outside-white-house#maincontent


Posted by: ak74 | Jun 1 2020 16:57 utc | 288

Hello barflies!
I sincerely wish all of you (especially CitizenX and Sakineh B. and james) peace and prosperity.
About race relations in the United States...
Here is an FBI table of race-vs-race crimes in the United States for 2016. The numbers are virtually the same, year after year.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
Notice anything?
May all barflies have... whiskey!

Posted by: Robert | Jun 1 2020 23:30 utc | 289

Gotta say it, were Orwell alive, he would have a field day with the terms used on this page.

Posted by: Robert | Jun 1 2020 23:39 utc | 290

For those of you who to educate yourselves about the depredations of the financial oligarchs of the United States (and much of the world) here is an indispensable website, Pam Martens’ Wall Street on Parade
https://wallstreetonparade.com/
Frankly, I need more whiskey.
Mr. Hack, I would buy you one.

Posted by: Robert | Jun 2 2020 0:05 utc | 291

"Four Horsemen: Chickens home to roost."

Posted by: karlof1 | May 30 2020 18:45 utc | 5

I can't breath, aaah, karlof1, may you have some mercy?! Four chicken riding home on horses? For horseman, wary from flogging their dead horses, resorted to riding chicken? Or four horsemen chickened out so they roost rather than ride?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 2 2020 0:18 utc | 292

LOL.

Trump fled to bunker as protests over George Floyd raged outside White House
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/trump-flees-to-bunker-as-protests-over-george-floyd-rage-outside-white-house#maincontent

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 1 2020 16:57 utc | 290
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It is not a fall, but a contingency plan established generations ago. Quoting from memory the movie "Dr. Strangelove or How I learned to love the bomb": "At the time of crisis, the leadership should shelter deep underground, like in old coal mines, with ample supply of food, water and females of the breeding age". Some of you may be preparing survivalist kit, but I doubt if it is complete, nerds being notoriously short of the last (but not the least) component. But I trust that POTUS is not sheltering alone.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 2 2020 2:40 utc | 293

I can't breath, aaah, karlof1, may you have some mercy?! Four chicken riding home on horses? For horseman, wary from flogging their dead horses, resorted to riding chicken? Or four horsemen chickened out so they roost rather than ride?
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 2 2020 0:18 utc | 294

Ha ha! I like a good play on words. If you are having difficulty breathing Piotr, it is certainly caused by Covid-19 (even if dying of laughter is also present as comorbidity). UK's Office of National Statistics said so, they never lie. Better take 600mg Hydroxychloroquine twice a day, since, according to CDC (they never lie), HCQ should only be taken at a late stage for best effect, and since you are having difficulty breathing it is definitely late stage. No need for a Covid-19 test (CDC said so, they never lie as you know).

Please don't sip coffee as you read this, don't want to spoil your keyboard!

Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 2:52 utc | 294

like in old coal mines, with ample supply of food, water and females of the breeding age"
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 2 2020 2:40 utc | 295

What about the case where "Dear Leader" is female, do they still need an ample supply of young females of breeding age, or does that requirement need to be adjusted?

Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 3:02 utc | 295

Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 3:02 utc | 297
does that requirement need to be adjusted?

People keep forgetting it's biology that dictates what works and what does not.
While I am pretty sure such adjustment would happen somewhere, I would not bet on long time survival in that case.

Posted by: pppp | Jun 2 2020 10:46 utc | 296

What about the case where "Dear Leader" is female, do they still need an ample supply of young females of breeding age, or does that requirement need to be adjusted?

Posted by: BM | Jun 2 2020 3:02 utc | 297

The minimum age required for POTUS basically excludes such females, and women currently considered as possible vice-POTUS are yet older. The institution of "White House interns" is more promising in that respect.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/get-involved/internships/
A select group of young men and women from across the country dedicate their time, talents, energy, and service to better the White House and the Nation. These committed citizens become part of the White House team.

Dr. Strangelove himself would approve. One should remember that people like Biden, Warren, Pence and Trump can provide leadership but are too old to execute certain details personally.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 2 2020 16:50 utc | 297

Some news from Appalachian mountains. Last Friday my country relaxed COVID-19 measures, in particular, you can eat outside home and get a haircut. The nearest place for a hair cut got booked for the entire month. I got an appointment for tomorrow at a salon with low ratings (some ladies were displeased, men approve).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 2 2020 17:27 utc | 298

Glad to see (above) the statistics on the ratio of white / black individuals in the FBI homicide chart. It just shows what many have known, especially since the FBI began murdering black activists quite openly in the 60s, that the FBI is ragingly hostile to black men, and hunts them down and charges them or kills them over the slightest of pretexts.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jun 2 2020 20:08 utc | 299

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