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May 19, 2020

This Illusion Is Alive And Well

Forbes - May 15 2012 - Meghan Casserly

The American Dream Is Alive And Well... In New Jersey

American Express - November 6 2012 - Rieva Lesonsky

The American Dream is Alive and Well—and Transformed

The Telegraph - August 4 2014 - Jeremy Warner

The American Dream is alive and well, if you are trained for the jobs of the future

Forbes - September 30 2015 - John Tamny - FreedomWorks

Ignore The Left And Right, The American Dream Is Alive And Well

FOX Business - August 22 2016 - Steve Tobak

The American Dream Is Alive and Well

Forbes India - November 1 2016 - Monte Burke

The American dream is alive and well...

Washington Times - June 19 2017 - Ed Feulner - Heritage Foundation

The American Dream, alive and well

KEDM - July 4 2018 - Byron Moore, Argent Advisors, Inc.

The American Dream is Alive and Well

New York Times - February 2 2019 - Samuel J. Abrams - American Enterprise Institute

The American Dream Is Alive and Well

Daily Caller - February 6 2019 - Steve Sanetti - NSSF Firearm Industry Trade Association

The American Dream Is Alive And Well

FOX Business - September 30 2019 - Julia Limitone

Eric Trump: The American Dream is alive and well

Mail Online - October 2019 - Lauren Fruen

The American Dream is still alive! Children of poor immigrants still beat US-born kids up the ladder - just as they did 100 years ago - but now Chinese and Indian migrants have replaced Italian and Irish as the most successful

CNBC - November 14 2019

Billionaire Bob Parsons: The American Dream is alive and well

FOX News - November 26 2019 - Carol Ross

Carol Roth: The American Dream is alive and well -- Let's be thankful for it

Clarion Ledger - December 10 2019 - Lynn Evans

The American Dream is alive and well, but redefined

Wall Street Journal - January 31, 2020 - Michael R. Strain, American Enterprise Institute

The American Dream Is Alive and Well

Newsweek - February 27 2020 - Lee Habeeb

The American Dream Is Alive and Well. Just Ask District Taco's Osiris Hoil

The Independent Voice - May 7 2020 - Barbara Ball

The American Dream is alive and well

eKenyan - May 8 2020

Opinion | The American Dream Is Alive and Well

New York Times - May 18 2020 - Michael R. Strain - American Enterprise Institute

The American Dream Is Alive and Well

 

If it were true why would they need to repeat it again and again?

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The American dream is a fellacy.
There is an old proverb in Dutch that translates as "who is born as a dime will never be a quarter". It originates from a time when aristocracy ruled. People were either born rich and powerful or poor and obedient and had to accept their status. Then the people got fed up with this and voila the guillotine.
The american dream is fed to the people to prevent any uprising, to maintain the power of the ruling class. People became to admire the elite because they made it, they live the dream. If you try hard enough and be subservient to the elite, maybe some of that success would rub off on you. And it does, working for the rich get the bills paid, but that is all there is to it. To become one of the elite, one must not only be very lucky, but also be an educated ruthless sociopath. If you got any sense of empathy, your chances are zero.

Posted by: Joost | May 20 2020 6:22 utc | 101

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2020 3:47 utc | 99

Sorry but 9/11 was not an international crime that involved other nations it was an inside/mossad job so why people should march?to say what??and then the UN as observer?UN can only justify slaughters here and there it has no other sense.. it's a slaughtering asset and you think they are able to be indipedent?..The political parties never really matters because democracy is an illusion for the masses while in reality it's the structure that make capitalism exist..democracy and reformism allow you to march and give you false freedoms while the only free are the ones displaying people's lives for $$$.

Posted by: LuBa | May 20 2020 8:41 utc | 102

Hmm...
I always considered November 22, 1963 as the end of the American Dream...
The path from then has been steadily downward and continues as I type.

Posted by: V | May 20 2020 8:49 utc | 103

"Please peons, just believe the myth if the Anerican Dream" seems to be the goal here.

Posted by: KP | May 20 2020 9:47 utc | 104

It’s a world wide nightmare !
An illusion payed for with our taxes , encouraged by our silence / apathy.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 20 2020 9:55 utc | 105

I read "When It hits the Fan;" by Gerald C. Meyers and John Holusha in 1991; it was a Carnegie-Melon study; masterpiece of a how to identify and change dynamic crisis-failure cycles. I expanded my reading from there...though the point is- why haven't people with degrees and Masters, or Ph.d's understood this?

I saw this coming long before 2008- 1998- in fact...yet a dummy like me can see this......I guess VT can go pound salt up their "***."


https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/our-fate-sealed-vaccines-wont-matter-four-long-cycles-align

Posted by: Michele Baillie | May 20 2020 10:04 utc | 106

Honoring Ho Chi Minh’s 130th birthday

The CPUSA issued the following statement of solidarity with the Communist Party of Vietnam and the people of Vietnam.

https://www.cpusa.org/party_voices/honoring-ho-chi-minhs-130th-birthday/

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redfish @redfishstream:

Happy 130th birthday to Vietnamese revolutionary and national liberation leader, Ho Chi Minh.

As a leader of the resistance that would liberate Vietnam from French colonialism and defeat US imperialism, Ho Chi Minh gave hope to oppressed and exploited people around the world.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYYX371WAAEaWg2.jpg

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1262723063751282690.html

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Ho Chi Minh - The path which led me to Leninism
Published in April 1960 in a Soviet journal entitled Problems of the East. Selected Works, vol. 4 (Hanoi: Foreign Languages Publishing House, 1962)

Posted by: Noel | May 20 2020 11:00 utc | 107

The "American Dream" in times of COVID-19

The COVID-19 pandemic revealed, in the most tragic way, the actual essence of the so-called "American Dream".

The images from the mass graves in Hart Island, the overloaded morgues, the utter failure of the U.S. health system to protect the people from the pandemic are characteristics of capitalism's advanced decay.

At this very moment, the U.S. death toll surpasses 91,000 people, with more than 1,500,000 total cases. In the land of the "American Dream", everything is measured by the size of your bank account and your wallet. Healthcare is a commodity and available only to those who can pay. If you haven't enough money even a decent burial seems impossible.

For decades, the capitalist system cultivated a very attractive image for the "American Dream", promoting it as the epitome of success and equal opportunities. The reality is totally different. Behind the curtain of capitalism's "dream" there are millions of poor working class people who face class exploitation every day, there are millions of unemployed men and women, people without social security, homeless minors, marginalized minorities, second and third class citizens, etc.

Further here:

https://www.idcommunism.com/2020/05/the-american-dream-in-times-of-covid-19.html

Posted by: Noel | May 20 2020 11:15 utc | 108

A doctor who delayed his retirement to fight the coronavirus pandemic at a low-income hospital died of COVID-19, The New York Times reported Monday.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/498354-doctor-who-delayed-retirement-to-fight-pandemic-at-low-income

Posted by: Mao | May 20 2020 11:31 utc | 109

In the NOW

He called Biden, Obama and Clinton warmongers to their faces in 2008. They laughed, but he wasn't joking.

https://twitter.com/inthenow/status/1262440776266645504

Posted by: Mao | May 20 2020 12:09 utc | 110

Mao, looked up inthebnow on twitter and found that video. Your link does not work..
The smiles on their faces were the type of smile people get when watching a lunatic or a nut.
I have see that smile on other liars and creeps when confronted by the truth. Obviously some kind of defence mechanism.

Posted by: arby | May 20 2020 12:29 utc | 111

re: juliania @ 99
"When 9/11 happened, the opportunity was there, and it was squandered."
The neocons didn't waste the opportunity, they had written the 300-page Patriot Act well in advance of the demolition of the Twin Towers (and Building number 7), and it was rushed into law a few weeks later. This was the first of a series of laws and decrees that eliminated most of the Constitutional rights that protected Americans from the Federal Government.

Posted by: Perimetr | May 20 2020 12:52 utc | 112

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2020 3:47 utc | 99 We may have to march again. I would.

Did you march in the Sixties? How'd that work out for you?

Abby Hoffman was a revolutionary. He committed suicide in 1989. There comes a time when you realize you have completely wasted your life trying to change the System.

The System cannot be changed except by 1) new technology, or 2) war sufficient to destroy the political system, which basically means destroying the country - especially these days. No one is going to invade America, there is no "Red Dawn" scenario that is functional. It's either nuclear war or the Transhuman enabling technologies (nanotechnology, biotechnology, or something of the sort) or it is nothing.

Even a new Greater Depression won't do it. As someone else mentioned earlier, the greater likelihood than achieving some form of "socialism" is a "revolution" that achieves the same result as National Socialism did (well, it has the word "Socialism" in it, doesn't that make you happy?)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 20 2020 12:53 utc | 113

Rep. Tim Ryan Slams GOP for Abandoning Working Class During Pandemic | NowThis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl8rSAaOBcA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rAoY3ndqoc

Posted by: Mao | May 20 2020 12:55 utc | 114

oh so the vietnam war didn't end, and the civil rights act wasn't passed. i have no idea why abbie hoffman committed suicide. people do commit suicide, including people who others consider successful.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2020 13:05 utc | 115

@ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 20 2020 12:53 utc | 116

The movements of the 1960s weren't revolutionary. The simply aimed to perfect the already existing system.

Martin Luther King Jr. never intended to change how the USA worked, he only wanted to make blacks part of the system. He was not a revolutionary.

The existence of the USA was never in check during the 1960s. There was never any doubt the country would not only survive the crisis, but emerge stronger from it. In the political-ideological sense, this is what indeed happened, as the USA acquired a soft-power it enjoys until today. But that wasn't the case economically, as the oil crisis of 1974-5 marked the end of the post-war miracle, the golden age of capitalism.

Posted by: vk | May 20 2020 13:06 utc | 116

martin luther king got assassinated when he started criticising the class system in the u.s. that's wanting to change the system. a lot of others, black panthers mainly, also got assassinated by cops. some of the weather underground people either went on the run or went to jail after the bombings.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2020 13:27 utc | 118

Noel @ 108
How appropriate that you should do honour to Ho Chi Minh on this thread.

He really believed that America’s dream was for self-determination, democracy and anti-colonialism for all. His belief and idealism was shared by many and it took a long time for disillusion to set in. There are amazingly some people who still believe it, apparently.

Certainly most Americans in the BCI theatre hated British and other European colonialism (SEAC - South-East Asia Command - was referred to by the Yanks as Save England’s Asian Colonies) and hated the idea of handing Vietnam back to the French. There are even some stories of RAF planes carrying French administrators into Vietnam being shot down by USAAF fighters. I have no idea whether this was true but the rumours were there. No wonder Ho put so much faith in America.

But then, as he discovered, it turned out that America was not against colonies as such, just against other countries having them.

Posted by: Montreal | May 20 2020 13:37 utc | 119

@Perimetr 112 and @LuBa 102

Exactly, you got it right in your replies to juliana. 911 was home made and well prepared in advance, as anyone who have studied it has known for almost 20 years. The "Patriot Act" was ready to go. My background is structural engineering and it is impossible to demolish 3 towers with two airplanes, just as it is impossible to do 2 towers with two airplanes, the airplanes are irrelevant for what happened that day.

No appeal to UN or marches in the streets would have any effect on those psychopaths, something that recent events should illustrate conclusively. The American Nightmare is alive and well, if anything.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2020 15:12 utc | 120

@ 98 juliania.. i tend to agree with the others here... 9-11 was a con job of epic proportion...it paved the way for all sorts of horror, beginning with the war on afganistan - still ongoing, the war on iraq - still ongoing.. i thought it was amazing how the msm morphed osama bin laden into saddam with not much of anything inbetween... the patriot act - i call it the idiot act - nsa and on and on it goes... things are much worse for the usa and world now, and yet there is hope that people might wake up too..the cosy relationship with ksa continues.. i thought the response to kashoggis death was informative.. for trump it seems it is all about the money.. not much of anything has changed...

i am reading a book right now called 'solitary' by albert woodfox... he articulates life from a black persons perspective from the inside of a prison - solitary confinement for 40 years.. the book would shock you... this is the american dream - keeping black people down and white people calling all the shots.. that is an important part of the history of the american dream.. i find reading the book uplifting... the guys spirit wasn't broken, in spite of all the efforts of the white system to break it.. so this american dream is going to look differently depending on who one asks... cheers james..

Posted by: james | May 20 2020 16:04 utc | 121

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My background is structural engineering and it is impossible to demolish 3 towers with two airplanes, just as it is impossible to do 2 towers with two airplanes, the airplanes are irrelevant for what happened that day.

No appeal to UN or marches in the streets would have any effect on those psychopaths, something that recent events should illustrate conclusively. The American Nightmare is alive and well, if anything.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2020 15:12 utc | 120

What does "My background is structural engineering" mean?
My background is building construction and NIST and I agree that WTC 1 & 2 weren't designed to survive undamaged after being hit by 100+ ton jetliners at circa 450 mph. The collapses were merely an eye-candy bonus for the perps (the people responsible for NORAD's no-show on the only occasion it was required to fulfill its intended National Defense function since WWII).

But whatever, does anyone truly believe that the Fake War On Terror would have been cancelled if the buildings hadn't collapsed? Setting WTC and the Pentagon on fire with 3 'hijacked' jetliners was quite sufficient to 'justify' the FWoT - especially considering the flimsy excuses used to justify subsequent chapters of the FWoT.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 20 2020 16:27 utc | 122

I heard, somewhere, the American dream was, where a man worked, a house, two car garage, and 1 1/2 kids.
What a bastardization of that dream we now live in.

Please, let's wake them up, as this dream needs a morning after pill.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 20 2020 16:33 utc | 123

juliania @ 98

My post pointed to historical process, not outdated historical verities. Process not ideals.
Perhaps I failed to make this clear. With limited time I'll only talk about this part of your post.


The term “the American Dream” was coined during the heat of intense working-class assault on capitalist exploitation. FDR “saved” capitalism from this social uproar, he himself hated by most capiitalists, likewise Henry Wallace (who articulated this dream). Some speculate FDR’s life did not end naturally. I dunno.

The corporate media, servants of capital, have spent decades bathing the american psyche in the ideas and norms of their masters not only at an information level but at a more intimate biological level whereby precious minds are daily assaulted, unless one disengages — a luxury not enjoyed by most people. People are subjected to repeated interruptions — of garbage, punctuating, every so many minutes, the programed garbage although sometimes the programmed stuff is better. As someone who practices various forms of meditative concentration I view this media environment, based on personal experience — I know not scientific, but experiential, as horrible horrible public health policy. Depriving citizens the ability to concentrate because the market? Outrageous.

The appropriation of Adams’ 1931 historical reporting on the American situation of his time is emptied of historical content by the corporate media, depriving people of their history. I am not talking about ideals. I am talking about historical process.
Just as shill Obomber cast pitchforks into QE to save the bankers, so the corporate media of many many decades has cast the peoples’ 1931 “dream of a new social order” into “the American Dream” of competitive consumer material success through historical processes, not necessary, which destroy the commons, atomize the integrity of communities and associations, and even fck up the ability of people to think clearly.

Posted by: suzan | May 20 2020 16:54 utc | 124

The American Dream rested on colonising a huuuge energy-rich continent (Fossil F) plus with great climate, varied geography, plenty of water, wildlife, timber, agri land, pristine in a way — and killing off! the original inhabitants, then importing slaves for some of the scut work. Yes it was possible for immigrants to ‘rise’, and some ‘social sharing’ took place, as that boosted ‘profits’ or created a ‘better life’ for many of the non-serfs.

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The Dream rests on a scheme that is doomed, aka resource constraints. (Yes, war, rapine and genocide, heh, not only abroad, may follow, but that will create system-change as well, annihilating the Dream..)

jef wrote @ 22 The official number is 5 Earths! Thats what it would take for everyone on the planet to live like the average american. (Who would want to? => other topic.)

This site gives a comparison between ‘biophysical boundaries transgressed’ (using up too much resources) and ‘social thresholds achieved’ (e.g. education for all up to x age, ok-ish health care, etc.) for different countries. Insofar as it is possible to do so, and of course one may argue about the criteria, the measures used, etc. A rough guide, say. Interesting, see the outliers for ex.

https://goodlife.leeds.ac.uk.

Posted by: Noirette | May 20 2020 17:10 utc | 125

Sakineh Bagoom @ 123
‘’Please, let’s wake them up, as this dream needs a morning after pill’’

Let me try —— um this should do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzA4No6qsMk

You may need to click on the top blue bar.
Turn it up a bit and listen to the lyrics !! Plus perhaps wind the base up.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 20 2020 18:58 utc | 126

james @ 121, what does everyone think I was saying? I know the many theories, and some are more persuasive than others, about what took place on 9/11. I am simply saying their are other ways that could have been handled - I'm surprised that is such a contraversial statement. It ought to have been investigated internationally because the suggestion that it was Iraq to blame was wrong! I didn't say who was to blame, and I do think this country, the US doesn't have clean hands in the matter.

It was a policing matter, not something to use as Bush did to go to war with another country that had nothing to do with it.

i'm not sure why suddenly I have said something wrong here. As we saw in Russia, that country did not suddenly use the excuse to attack another country or two when terrorists took hostages and killed people in their cities. This was a huge international crime - that is, an international crime on the part of the US. Only Israel has come close to doing something similar in their war against Palestine. No reason for it, except might makes right.

No, it doesn't.

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2020 19:21 utc | 127

suzan - here's what I said:

"suzan @ 91, with respect, I don't think we can use those past historic verities, much as I would agree they are important."

I did NOT say "outdated". You misunderstood me. I agree with the rest of your post. You ran with a misapprehension; that's okay. I meant 'past historical verities' genuinely - it's hard to pick up tone here. FDR is a great hero of mine.

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2020 19:33 utc | 128

I ought to have said "apply" instead of "use". I was trying to say that the times have an urgency about them that has been neglected, and it is a matter of triage.

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2020 19:37 utc | 129

@ 127 juliania... i think people misunderstood you and wanted a reason to get up on the 9-11 talking horse.. i did too fwiw.. i agree - there are other ways it all could have been handled, but to a person who is deeply cynical of it all - it is hard to see how that could have come out of it... i would prefer to not be cynical, but in the case of 9-11, it is impossible for me to not be! i am in agreement with all you say and sorry for creating any confusion here...

Posted by: james | May 20 2020 19:43 utc | 130

Posted by: Mark2 | May 20 2020 18:58 utc | 126
Thanks Mark2.

Ras tafar ay eh.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 20 2020 19:55 utc | 131

@Hoarsewhisperer | May 20 2020 16:27 utc | 122

What does "My background is structural engineering" mean?

It means several things, including but not limited to MSc in structural engineering (buildings, concrete bridges, steel structures, fixed offshore platforms, ships and other floating structures) and specialisation in Finite Element Analysis, plus 35 years of experience in developing Finite Element Analysis and related software for such things as structural codes.

The steel structure buildings did not 'collapse', they were prepared for demolition and demolished, they literally turned to dust during free fall. The Pentagon was not hit by a jetliner, but a missile.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2020 20:00 utc | 132

Ooops. Ras Tafar ay eh. With much respect to Tafar.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 20 2020 20:01 utc | 133

The destruction of the WTC Buildings 1 and 2 can be considered an international crime in the sense that many peoplw who were trapped and who died in those buildings were citizens of foreign nations.

I remember reading somewhere that the Japanese Diet held an inquiry and debate on the WTC attacks and the buildings' destruction. Lawmakers had discussions on whether planes alone could indeed have brought down the Twin Towers. The results of the investigation though seem to have been inconclusive and Japan did not press for any explanation from the US government on the loss of Japanese citizens who died during the attacks and the buildings' collapse.

Posted by: Jen | May 20 2020 20:17 utc | 134

james @ 121

...he articulates life from a black persons perspective from the inside of a prison-

yeah, I mean, how blue can you get?

Posted by: john | May 20 2020 20:24 utc | 135

@Jen | May 20 2020 20:17 utc | 134

Lawmakers had discussions on whether planes alone could indeed have brought down the Twin Towers.

It is not a question "lawmakers" can decide, it is not a legal or political question it is a an engineering and scientific question. No, aluminium planes can not bring down heavy steel structures like that, and they didn't. The buildings were explicitly designed to withstand being hit by fully loaded Boeing 707 airplanes.


And it was three towers.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2020 20:31 utc | 136

I would like to point out that the Boeing 707 is roughly the same size as the Boeing 767. The Boeing 707-320B had a mean take-off weight of 333,600 lb, while the 767-200 has a MTOW of 395,000 lb. It is unlikely that the few thousand lbs difference would be enough to exceed the building's engineering margins. If the buildings did collapse from being struck by such aircraft then the engineering firms and construction companies of the buildings should have been sued.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 20 2020 21:03 utc | 137

@ 135 john... thanks for that... i hadn't seen it before.. it's good! albert woodfox also spent some time at the tombs - some prison in new york city - in 1970.. he describes it in the early part of the book, prior to being put in solitary confinement back at angola in 1971... he was at the tombs when the riot happened and he describes it in this book i am reading.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tombs

Posted by: james | May 20 2020 21:23 utc | 138

Posted by: vk | May 20 2020 13:06 utc | 116 The movements of the 1960s weren't revolutionary. The simply aimed to perfect the already existing system.

Correct. As do almost all "revolutions". That's the flaw in all of them.

"Martin Luther King Jr. never intended to change how the USA worked, he only wanted to make blacks part of the system. He was not a revolutionary."

Agreed.

"The existence of the USA was never in check during the 1960s."

Correct. And it's not in check now - unless the upcoming Depression actually does change the *population*. The problem is that it is rare for the population to develop a real degree of consciousness change. This has happened only very "locally" in certain circumstances - such as Paris, 1968. But even then, the consciousness was limited to certain demographics, and it was quickly suborned and dissipated in days. One could go back to the Paris Commune in 1871 - that lasted a grand total of two months - 18 March to 28 May.

People who hang their hopes on the US electorate "revolting" are in for a shock.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hackr | May 20 2020 22:13 utc | 139

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2020 13:05 utc | 115 oh so the vietnam war didn't end

Wars always end. They are then replaced with a new war as soon as one can be ginned up.

"the civil rights act wasn't passed."

The Civil Rights Act was passed to establish further government control of what private businesses could do - and of course to get votes from the relevant demographics and those who supported the concept. No politician does things because "it's the right thing to do." Ask black people how well it actually worked.

"i have no idea why abbie hoffman committed suicide. people do commit suicide, including people who others consider successful."

Hoffman wasn't remotely "successful" in achieving his aims.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hackr | May 20 2020 22:17 utc | 140

Thanks James, and I apologize to all non-9/11 focused bar frequenters. Should have stuck with Venezuela.

When I posted about a younger leadership, I was indeed thinking of the many who have been born later than those of us who were hammered by those countless replays of the event after that which shall not be mentioned - you don't know how lucky you are, and you will have more chance of addressing the subject sanely than we older ones. I do understand those who need to pin down what happened then - for my generation it is the Kennedy assassination, and for young adults today it will be covid. I hope they do a better job of learning from this than we did back then. But maybe those two prior crises are what gave folk the heebie jeebies about war following tragic events. It did back then.

But it doesn't always have to. Let's do something different this time for a change. Let's plant a few things instead. I know, it's blazingly hot, and dry as Hades, but here's a solution that works for me: squash plants and tomato plants, use those old wallsowater that sprang leaks and never worked for mini greenhouses (sans water in the tubes) and if you have compost, compost trench the paths in your garden, with planks to walk on; saves space! And if you only have a path to the road or a balcony,(no garden) double plastic pots - smaller one for the plant, larger has compost to cool the inner one (and wallsowater work for containers also) You can plant potato sprouts in the bottom of the larger pot and sides of garden paths. Get worms. Any pile of compost on dirt will attract them. Worms are your friends. They actually make darn good dirt. (Don't tell Home Depot.)

It's how I stay sane.

Posted by: juliania | May 21 2020 0:03 utc | 141

Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2020 20:00 utc | 132
(It means several things, including but not limited to MSc in structural engineering (buildings, concrete bridges, steel structures, fixed offshore platforms, ships and other floating structures) and specialisation in Finite Element Analysis, plus 35 years of experience in developing Finite Element Analysis and related software for such things as structural codes.)

Did you do any Finite Element Analysis on the components and materials which made the revolutionary design of WTC 1 & 2 feasible? Did you compare the tons per cubic metre of enclosed volume of WTC 1 & 2 with the tons per cubic metre of hi-rise buildings erected using 'traditional' reinforced concrete /concrete-clad steel frames? And if so how much lighter were WTC 1 & 2? What do you think NIST missed?

"The steel structure buildings did not 'collapse', they were prepared for demolition and demolished, they literally turned to dust during free fall. The Pentagon was not hit by a jetliner, but a missile."

The buildings "turned to dust" because the steel frames were covered in spray-on asbestos and the floors were un-reinforced light-weight concrete, neither of which have useful structural strength/ integrity compared with structural-grade concrete.

The Official Story is that the Pentagon was struck by a jetliner. There are rumors that it was a missile. I like the missile theory but I prefer the jetliner theory because it saves me from having to ponder the fate of the jetliner and its contents if a missile was used.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 21 2020 8:31 utc | 142

@Hoarsewhisperer 142

An independent non-linear finite element analysis study of the WTC7 event has been performed in recent years by professor Leroy Hulsey at University of Alaska at Fairbanks. Look it up. Here is is a brand new news item about it (just to show the "illusion is still alive") World Trade Center 7 building did not collapse due to fire: Report

The bottom line, he says, is that the NIST report is flawed and of no value to future engineering or architectural learning.

What turned to dust in WTC 1 & 2 was not just what covered the steel columns and frames, but the steel frames themselves turned to dust in mid air as can be seen in several of the videos from that day. What happened was not due to plane collision or office fires.

Regarding Pentagon, it was one of the original stories that I noticed maybe a year after the events. Some french researchers wrote a story that showed conclusively there was no room for a jetliner in the hole of the Pentagon, and especially no room for the wings. It had excellent photos from the immediate moments after Pentagon was hit. The official story simply claimed the "jetliner" evaporated and disappeared while the hole did not accomodate the plane body much less the wings. A later article based on the same data is here. The impossibility of it being hit by a jetliner is not a "rumor".

The fact that you "prefer the jetliner theory because it saves me from having to ponder" is probably representative of many people who fear the implications of the truth.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 21 2020 9:19 utc | 143

The American Dream will now be replaced by the Chinese Nightmare. Dreams of liberty will make room for Angst.

Virologists, Scientists and Influencers (Influenza?) are the doomsday preachers of the new worldwide Church. The new indulgence trading is CO2 tax and donations to big pharma. The new inquisition is already hunting down heretics worldwide.

Posted by: TheWatcher | May 21 2020 10:19 utc | 144

Posted by: Norwegian | May 21 2020 9:19 utc | 143

Thanks for the gibberish. It's not very engineery, is it?
It sounds like the sort of edu-phobic nonsense a Trufer would write.
But I did like the bit about "the steel frames themselves turned to dust in mid air" :-)
Magic?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 21 2020 12:46 utc | 145

Posted by: Norwegian | May 21 2020 9:19 utc | 143

Thanks for the gibberish. It's not very engineery, is it?
It sounds like the sort of edu-phobic nonsense a Trufer would write.
But I did like the bit about "the steel frames themselves turned to dust in mid air" :-)
Magic?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 21 2020 12:46 utc | 146

@ 141 juliania... thanks.... i love to garden as well.. both my wife and i are into gardening... one way we generate worms is direct deposit.. we put the compostable food stuffs directly into the ground, by burying it where we garden.. this is a japanese method apparently, but either way - it really helps the soil.. i had to look up walsowater to understand what that was... its interesting how much plastic mulch affects the warmth and growth of plants.. we don't have great heat where we are right now.. in fact, i wish it was warmer so the squash would pop up.. i planted them the past week, along with a row of beans... we do have broad beans, which are a cooler weather bean, up and doing well.. i like growing onions, leeks and garlic, all of which we have in the ground, 1/2 which wintered over and the rest just started from seed a few months ago.. it's fun watching things grow and playing a nurturing role in it all..

Posted by: james | May 21 2020 15:21 utc | 147

Oligarchs love the American dream as it breeds takeover targets from the real winners. Just turn on the bleeding, loosely tie the bandage and let it bleed.

Anyone who still recites the anthem with full belief in land of the brave and home of the free needs a brain bandage.

Posted by: Uncle Jesse | May 21 2020 15:31 utc | 148

julliania @ 98, 128, 141

Of course you did not use the word “outdated.” I did but only after considering the appropriateness of use which I admit to wavering over. So I don’t think I “misunderstood” you or “ran with a misconception” as much as I did not use enough nuance to avoid precipitating defensiveness/clarification. After your wading into the quagmire of the falling towers, it’s understandable.


In your opening to me you indeed wrote “historic verities” such as “each achieving full potential, etc.” are “important.” but then you continued on:

‘It is only important that the one giving orders is obeyed because the orders make sense and will help all of us, nation on nation, remedy the situation.”

and:

to “remedy the situation” internationally may very well require “perhaps our own individual priorities or 'rights' have to be held in abeyance as we address the real emerging dangers”

You rightfully imv argue for international cooperation and collaboration.

The problem afaics is that the authorities in power here have repeatedly demonstrated that they are not to be trusted with our lives or future well being.

In other words the rights and privileges you suggest be sacrificed on the alter of the common good should imo be those of conglomerates and monopolies and oligarchs which have preyed upon us and society. Yet they have used the biological crisis to further consolidate and empower such entities — at the cost of extreme losses to the rest of us, individuals, small businesses, communities alike. There’s no evidence that we should trust these authorities to act in our best interest when “giving orders” so they use violence to force abeyance. It is the now in the people’s court to take responsibility to discern what path to take, what sacrifices are needed. Without credible information this is near to impossible to discern.


Re gardening, Yes! When I need a break i listen to the sounds of the garden. The wind in the trees, the birdsong, the humming of bumble bees and hummingbirds, the buzz of honey bees etc.

Posted by: suzan | May 21 2020 17:11 utc | 149

...
"If the buildings did collapse from being struck by such aircraft then the engineering firms and construction companies of the buildings should have been sued."
Posted by: William Gruff | May 20 2020 21:03 utc | 137

You're forgetting that the engineers were completely justified in assuming that no-one would ever fly a large aircraft into a skyscraper at full throttle. The bomber which hit the Empire State building was blundering around lost in fog at MINIMUM speed, as confirmed by the wreck being largely intact after the collision. The critical factor with 9/11 was speed/ kinetic energy.
The formula for calculating kinetic energy is KE = 0.5 x M x V x V
where M = Mass and V = Velocity.

One can easily see that 450 mph squared produces a gigantic number compared with 60 mph squared.

PS: You have to use compatible units when solving a formula so the Mass must be expressed in pounds and the Velocity must be expressed in feet per second. The answer is in foot-pounds of ENERGY.
60mph is 88 ft per second.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 22 2020 7:53 utc | 150

re Hoarsewhisperer | May 22 2020 7:53 utc | 150
We may not agree on a lot of things but it seems we may agree on one particularly contentious issue.
Rather than considering alla the "twin towers" (plus, drum roll tower 7) delusions, I haven't invested a mob of thought into the thermodynamics of it all - preferring, as is my wont, to consider the human element of it all.
If the WTC had indeed been built complete with specially designed & installed explosives, that would have required the keen participation of hundreds of constructions workers, all of whom would have needed to stay schtum following 911. The odds of that being te case are ridiculously small.

I'm also goind to state for the 57th time that as a person who watched it all on BBC world news from a few minutes after the 1st plane hit, as well as seeing the 2nd plane hit the towers live, I also observed the airplane which hit the pentagon. This was filmed by a BBC crew from a hotel next to the pentagon - until a bunch of feds wearing loud shirts & raybans busted into the hotel room. (they had been hammering on the door) from the balcony of the room below.
The reason they did this was obvious and had nothing to do with protecting some fantasy conspiracy - quite the opposite, they wanted to prevent the truth from getting out. That is a bunch of thinking ME citizens brought down the good ship amerikan empire by using a handful of boxcutters to persuade fat & foolishly content amerikans to stay in their seats meekly waiting for the green berets to rescue them from a reality where aforesaid ksa citizens flew an airplane into the pentagon powered only by 35¢ plastic & steel disposables.

Rather than being a triumph for empire, the imperialists who dominate both halves of the war party, are much more concerned with ensuring those photos of the pentagon fucked by determination coupled with boxcutters never see the light of day as a simple, inexpensive and effective method for bringing the empire of greed to its knees.

However I'm not sufficiently naive enough to believe logic can ever trump most amerikans' belief those cave dwelling ragheads could never do this to us.

This is good cos while amerika believes that what happened didn't, they won't be prepared for the next move - so sad, too bad.

Posted by: A User | May 22 2020 10:06 utc | 151

Mao #110

Thank you for that reference to intheNOW at twitter: great reporting and volatile material. The republican tirade in the US congress was great. That country will have its electoral politics inverted if a hot candidate runs. The pre revolutionary conditions are set now and all it will take is a dynamic runner to make the change.

Providing the assassins bullet is wide.

The nightmare that is the USA political machine is as disgusting as any can get. It makes Idi Amin look like a gifted true humanitarian. Pinochet was a saint compared to this clown cart.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2020 10:23 utc | 152

A User #151

Rather than being a triumph for empire, the imperialists who dominate both halves of the war party, are much more concerned with ensuring those photos of the pentagon fucked by determination coupled with boxcutters never see the light of day as a simple, inexpensive and effective method for bringing the empire of greed to its knees.

From a giant plastic boxcutter in 2001 to tiny virus in 2020 and the US empire is reduced to raving idiocy and on its knees once again. That scale difference is a measure of the magnitude of the decline of the USA in 20 years. Sucker punched by a few molecules. heh heh heh.

Norwegian and your many posts: THANK YOU. persistence furthers. That link to the pentagon fiasco was great and it made my day. Was Urban Moving Systems involved there too I wonder?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2020 11:12 utc | 153

Richard Steven Hackr #139
"The existence of the USA was never in check during the 1960s."

Correct. And it's not in check now -

The USA existence was placed in checkmate in 1960's by Ho Chi Minh and General Giap and the entire communist party of Vietnam.
They were thrown out of that fair land by its local people. The USA and its scabrous camp dogs were militarily defeated. The Tet offensive of 1968 was a clear warning and the USA stupidly ignored it. They were placed in check at that precise moment.

They have been given a polite invitation to exit Iraq with their shirt. The ignorant murder of Soliemani resulted in the USA being placed in check within 5 days. They will be militarily defeated there too especially after the dirty tricks this week where they reintroduced brigades of ISIS back into Iraq.

Afghanistan is clearly an ignominious defeat for the USA as well. The USA has been in check in Afghanistan since about the year after they invaded in 2001.

And now a tiny little virus has used ai ki do to lure the US fools to checkmate their economy and pose a challenge to its existence as the world private finance ghoul that we can all do without.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 22 2020 11:31 utc | 154

News flash: there is more than one American Dream. One, perhaps not as wide spread as before goes like that.

I have a dream. I dream that we will start a nuclear arms race so humungous that Russians and Chinese will spend themselves to oblivion. And we will be fine, because we will do on credit.

Reuters: WORLD NEWS MAY 21, 2020 / 4:16 PM / A DAY AGO
U.S. prepared to spend Russia, China 'into oblivion' to win nuclear arms race: U.S. envoy

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 22 2020 22:48 utc | 155

hey guys ya well thanks my heart is broken. b will take this down no doubt. but anyway good luck

Posted by: miss lacy | May 25 2020 0:12 utc | 156

There was to wait some days to see the american dream again..in Minneapolis we had the example of the babylon state that usa is(again and again)...Rest in peace George.

Posted by: LuBa | May 27 2020 8:18 utc | 157

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