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May 31, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-43

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

American Spring:

Tanya Kerssen @tkerssen - 2:37 UTC · May 31, 2020
Share widely: National guard and MPD sweeping our residential street. Shooting paint canisters at us on our own front porch. Yelling “light em up” #JusticeForGeorgeFloyd #JusticeForGeorge #BlackLivesMatter --> video
Elizabeth Murray @elizabethmurra - 4:33 UTC · May 31, 2020
'Light 'em up - light 'em all up' -- the EXACT phrase used as a kill order in the US Army's Apache helicopter attack on Iraqi civilians in the 'Collateral Murder' video released by @wikileaks - with no accountability, it has all come home.

In the 'collateral murder' incident U.S. troops killed a Reuters photographer.

From last night there are more than two dozen reports of direct police attacks on well identified media. Police are shooting with pepper balls, rubber bullets and tear gas directly at camera teams. The rubber bullets are aimed at the head. One photographer lost her eye. There were at least three arrests of legitimate reporters who held up their press cards. In the other direction a Foxnew camera team was attacked by protesters.

One wonder what the police hope to gain from this strategy.

Other issues:


George Galloway @georgegalloway - 15:00 UTC · May 29, 2020
EXCLUSIVE | The Podesta files were leaked, not hacked. #Russiagate #USPolitics #HillaryClinton WATCH THIS:


Dominic Gates @dominicgates - 19:46 UTC · May 27, 2020
On the day when Boeing announces 12,000 U.S. job cuts, the company's president in India touts Boeing's new $200M engineering and technology campus going up in Bengaluru.

Boeing’s India operations to be largest outside US via @timesofindia


The FSA War Criminal and the CIA Asset Inside Islamic State - Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi


Kino Klassika provides old Russian/Soviet films and TV series with English subtitles
Tip: RED FRONT - 75 Years of Russian War Cinema - Kinoklassika


The Pillage of India - NYRB

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on May 31, 2020 at 14:06 UTC | Permalink

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Republicans' worldview is like believing in the Easter bunny. Most American kids figure it out in kindergarten, first grade at the latest.
Democrats' worldview is like believing in Santa Clause, who is actually based on a real person, Saint Nicholas. Most American kids figure that one out in first or second grade. My Democrat friends are convinced that the Easter bunny is fake and are proud to heap ridicule on their hapless Republican neighbors/relatives/enemies. But when I start talking about Santa Claus they get defensive...
Easter was a bust. Hard to imagine what Christmas time will look like this year.

Posted by: migueljose | Jun 1 2020 12:23 utc | 201

About the comment by, who claimed that racism was brought about by "plantation capitalism". That's a major hoot and howl. Plantation slavery is NOT capitalism!

Even more obvious is it's not "free market". White and black slavery (both of course) is based on the same exact principle as all socialist regimes, and central planned economics, and crony capitalist regimes. Their common thread is the use of coercive force for the benefit of an elite ruling class and their favored few.

Posted by: Trutherator | Jun 1 2020 12:54 utc | 202

Poor USA...

Let’s Burn the Whole Thing Down: Death, Protest and George Floyd
by Binoy Kampmark / May 31st, 2020
(In More Than 30 Cities By Now - Death Toll ??)


Our Disaster - YEMEN !!
by Kathy Kelly / June 1st, 2020

United Nations reports a death toll of 100,000 people in that nation’s ongoing war.
Additional 131,000 people dying from hunger, disease and a lack of medical care.
Since then, 3.65 million people have been internally displaced
The worst cholera outbreak ever recorded has infected 2.26 million and cost nearly 4,000 lives.
Attacks on hospitals, clinics by Saudi Arabia & Co. have led to the closure of more than half of Yemen’s prewar facilities.

The policies of the United States are deeply implicated in Yemen’s suffering, through the sale of billions of dollars in munitions to Saudi Arabia and other countries that have intervened in the civil war.

Posted by: Ashino | Jun 1 2020 13:10 utc | 203

Uprising, Riots & Protests... In More Than 30 Cities By Now - Death Toll ??

During the COVID19 pandemic, millionaires and billionaires have been bailed out by the government with trillions of dollars while working people were given a pittance of $1,200 per person and a short term increase in unemployment benefits for the more than 40 million people who have lost their jobs. Many workers who provide essential services have had to continue to work putting themselves and their communities at risk.

The root of the problem is a failed state that does not represent the people and has a deep history of racism and inequality that are being magnified by the current crises. The failure to respond to these crises is resulting in an ungovernable country as the social contract has been broken.

On Friday, the White House locked down on security alert because of protests. Trump responded by calling for MAGA protesters to come to the White House. They did not come but protests at the White House have continued to increase.

Mayhem In America: Masks Off, Molotovs Out!

Dozens of major American cities are in the midst of massive unrest as a result of the nearly week-long riots that have taken hold of them following the death of George Floyd at the hands of (or rather, under the knee of) a Minneapolis police officer, with this uncontrollable chaos representing a dangerous phase of the ongoing Hybrid War on America being waged by its internal ideological and "deep state" enemies.

Posted by: Ashino | Jun 1 2020 13:16 utc | 204

Here is a silver lining from Minnesota. We cannot get over this without acknowledging our common humanity

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahu | Jun 1 2020 13:43 utc | 205

“Protests in US are always held at the wrong places. Like I offered a while ago, protest should be held at the US oligarchs residences occupy style. Yes, the 400 persons and families that own as much wealth as the bottom 50%. A finite known list (can be looked up)
Only then, can we see an impact. All other protest to date have been put down. Attica. Attica.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 30 2020 19:58 utc | 19”

I think you have a golden idea right there! Peaceful Protests at these sites would let those who have taken so much and kept so much from others know that they have been identified as the ones who need to make changes. It would also show beyond a shadow of a doubt that these protests are not being set up by those very same powers...I hope your idea takes off!

Posted by: Bluemot5 | Jun 1 2020 13:52 utc | 206

ZH reports that 6 people have died in the protests. Dozens of protesters and police have been injured. Tens of millions of dollars in property damage, police overtime, and cost of the likely spread of coronavirus ('second wave' now being blamed on the protesters).

All because the authorities will not appropriately charge the killers of George Floyd.

Instead, Trump and MSM turn the focus to "antifa". How convenient. MSM says nothing of the killing of 26-year old Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia weeks before and the attempted cover-up of his killing.

How many more have to die before the authorities act appropriately? How much more destruction and silent spread of coronavirus?

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The protesters say that a manslaughter charge against Chauvin is an injustice. Chauvin was a veteran officer who KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING when he remained on Floyd for more than 3 minutes after he had become non-responsive.

The protesters say that the other officers are accessories to murder because they did nothing to stop it.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 15:00 utc | 207

Violence in Blue by Patrick Ball in Granta Magazine, 2016.

One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police.

I have wondered about unknown police killings in the US for a long time. The impunity afforded the police (quite deliberately so in laws etc. 1.) also means imho that cover-ups or the ‘regular negligence and blind eyes’ are solidly institutionalised.

The ‘unsolved homicide rate’ in the US is probably the highest in OECD countries - around 40%. Vox, 2018.

Or course many narratives explain this (gangland killings etc.) but murder by cop must be in there somewhere, see article.

1. Just one example amongst varied approaches: aclu human rights robert f. kennedy

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2020 15:02 utc | 208

More good news from MN. Our governor has appointed our attorney general Keith Ellison, an African American Muslim, to take lead in George Floyd case. It’s a good move, now he has to deliver. MN continues to protest, even during the curfew, and overwhelmingly peacefully. MN is a stable and healthy state, and I’d say that MN is one of the few US states that could resolve this crisis peacefully.

Keith Ellison was the first Muslim to be elected in the US congress – I believe he caused a lot of controversy by taking his oath on the Quran. He is also solidly progressive – his only stain was being (mildly) supportive of our illegal interference in Syria to oust Assad. He was also the progressives’ choice for DNC chairmanship, after the Hillary/DNC debacle in 2016. Unfortunately, the powerbrokers pushed through an insider, Tom Perez. As a result the Party has neither acknowledges its mistakes nor take any actions whatsoever to mend its ways.

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Jun 1 2020 15:05 utc | 209

"Plantation slavery is NOT capitalism!
Even more obvious is it's not "free market".
A peculiar point of view and one that you sustain only by assertion. Plantation slavery, the production of commodities for the market by exploiting the labour of persons with no control over the means of production, in order to facilitate the accumulation of capital seems to me to be the very essence of capitalism.
In fact plantation slavery, production untrammelled by the self organisation of workers and carried out under the supervision of terrorists has always been something of a model state to which other capitalists aspired. Factory organisation and "Fordist" disciplines were modeled on plantation organisation.
profk's contribution was very useful. Yours is a reminder of the American origins of fascism in the slave labour system and the Jim Crow era that followed it.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2020 15:12 utc | 210

A best explanation on the "looting", almost no one here, left alone at mentioned classist pro-Trump sites, like SST, has tried:

It’s a Class War Now Too

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 15:24 utc | 211

Police in America are out of control; drunk on power. That's not surprising since they've had training with Israel's Shin Bet and the IDF. So in fact, U.S. police are being trained by one of the most racist, fascist and oppressive security forces on the planet, and their Zionist training is in full display right now. Zionism corrupts democracy and all it touches, and the U.S. corrupt system is proof of that influence.

Posted by: Circe | May 31 2020 20:00 utc | 65

It is bit more complicated. Police in particular, and assorted government officials in USA are beneficiaries of

I read about that doctrine before and in recent days, so I skipped this wikipedia article. It seems that back in 1960-ties, American courts and a wider establishment got very upset that citizens use their rights not as they should, so the rights have to be redefined. In particular, if people are unruly, then they have to be put in place, but police, national guard, governors etc. may be too timid because they would face criminal responsibility. That would not do. Year after year, courts were making additional clarifications to that doctrines that made convicting police and any other officials impossible except for some exceptional cases. Concerning the question: why policemen were not promptly arrested, as it would happen to a normal citizens causing death on video, their arrest was actually unusually prompt.

Additionally, police departments are often "un-reformable", somewhat progressive city councils and mayors exchange police head for someone actually attuned to the rights of people, but the combination of union power, laws and precedents disables the reforms. Unlike the defenders and maintainers of status quo, reformers lack coherent doctrine. For example, there is a concept that police has to be able to impose "full control on the scene". After being given a command, a person can (should?) be subjected to applications of force if he/she is "resisting" or even "remains uncooperative". There are no standards at all as what could exceed justified level of force, if there exist some initial "cause".

In the case of the recent victim in Minneapolis, the initial cause was "resisting arrest". But it is not like he slugged a policemen, he merely did not exit a car where he was sitting on his own volition, and after being extracted from that car, he kept complaining that he is not feeling well and has trouble breathing. There are precedents that in that situation he could be clobbered until he would stop twitching and/or complaining. In one case, the transgression was sleeping on a sidewalk. Two patrol cars and a canine unit, (in a separate car?) were gathered, and the sleeper was awakened by police dog. Sadly, he was uncooperative (did he slugged the poor doggy?). So he was clobbered with batons by several policemen until he stopped moving and than transported to the hospital next to the scene. There he expired and autopsy revealed that it happened because of hypertension. That autopsy stopped the investigation of the federal Department of Justice under Obama. Indeed, a healthier person could survive. Probably.

The story of David Silva (a classic member of "white trash", "occasionally employed" etc., the category of people subjected to particularly energetic actions of law enforcement is wider than "people of color") got some attention from the national press, including NYT, because of one disturbing element: police confiscated the cell phones of the watchers. To me it was more disturbing that police did not have any standards for handling the situation without unleashing a dog and applying batons. After all, it started with a sleeping culprit.

Weirdly enough, the qualified immunity doctrine that does not allow criminal actions for exceeding the minimum sufficient level of force is not operational in civil cases, so police departments and thus municipalities regularly pay millions of dollars in damages.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 1 2020 15:32 utc | 212

@Richard Steven Hack #119
Yes, I actually have. A friend of my wife married an SF policeman; they divorced years later but we still meet up once in a while.
Your characterization is false; he was a Tenderloin beat cop for many years and has many horrifying stories - and he never told me the really bad ones.
One example: he was called to one of the Tenderloin SROs due to a complaint from the manager. Upon entering the SRO, he found a middle aged white male tied face down on the bed, naked. Said individual had a wiggling fish fin protruding from their poop chute (my words). Apparently in the search for carnal pleasure a la Richard Gere, a live fish was inserted. Said fish, apparently indignant over its treatment then extended its fin spines. He then had to wait until the paramedic arrived.

But even when drunk, he never exhibited any of the attitude you say they have.
And frankly, your desire to see them hurt and shot would justify - as any threatened individual would feel - a proportionate response.
Quite frankly, your attitude and behavior is uncivilized and only makes your cause less credible.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 1 2020 15:48 utc | 213

Demoncrats have Jumped The Shark !

Susan Rice Goes Full Conspiracy Rant On CNN: 'Russians Behind Race Protest Mayhem!'

Posted by: librul | Jun 1 2020 15:56 utc | 214

Bottomline truth is that cold blood murder of Mr. George Floyd by the American regime’s officers in Minneapolis
is no different than cold blood murderer of Mr. Khashoggi by officers of the Saudi regime. Both victims were murdered by hidden state agenda. Racism and elimination or teaming of non-whites has been a hidden US hidden agenda.

Posted by: kooshy | Jun 1 2020 16:12 utc | 215

My take on this excellent and thought provoking post is - - take the positive from it !
Yes all that list is true.
Also true is — —
The American President is a psychopathic fascist rotten through with curuption, like a bad apple in a barrel.
He has corrupted the us law enforcement system, from the top to the bottom.
The whole media rotted to the core.
Finance system, media, military, pharmaceutical industry, prison system ect ect all rotten and curupt.

The protesters in all their diversity, are aware of the reality before them !
The fake police provocateurs, right wing infiltrateors are there deliberately to add to the chaos.
Antifa have an esteemed history going back 80 years
‘Battle of cable street’. Do a yandex search on it.

A couple of days ago the President of the United States of America declared that ———

So just stop for a moment and take that enormous fact in.
The genuine protesters throughout America are the sane portion of an otherwise sad brainwashed U S public.
We the majority of the free world see that, and fear the worse.
America’s law and forcement have been changed to a force of oppression.

Build bridges mend fences amongest the genuine oppersition.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 1 2020 18:17 utc | 216

My above comment was ment for the following post !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 1 2020 18:28 utc | 217

Posted by: Bluemot5 | Jun 1 2020 13:52 utc | 206
Thanks Bluemot5. An associated idea was to weaken the oligarchs thru the courts by bringing lawsuits 'Pro Se' style ("for oneself").
You can't vote them out, but they can't possibly defend against 'Pro Se', the people. Whenever you find a malfeasance, you file a lawsuit. In US your vote may not count, but your filings do.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 1 2020 18:33 utc | 218

@ Prof K | May 31 2020 18:55 utc | 50

Every once in a while, white supremicists and nazis come flooding into Portland Oregon from other states, to harass and beat participants in scheduled progressive demonstrations. They are welcomed with open arms by Portland's police, and furnished with advice on tactics.

The progressive protestors would be in dire danger except for the fact that Antifa always shows up as well, and put themselves in harms way, protecting the demonstrators from the fascists.

Antifa is something more than just a bunch of wild teenagers busting things up for fun. At least, around here they are.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jun 1 2020 18:50 utc | 219

#BlackLiveMatters was responsible for Trump victory in all Mid Western states, save Illinois, in 2016. After the elections the circus disappeared, no longer spoken in the media. Now they sudden reappear. So scripted, too fake. No wonder how the Democrats are afraids, they know that if they get into the black identity discourse they will be massacred in the Mid Western as in 2016. The white middle and working classes of region will go all for Trump.. if the Democrats stay quiet they will get their own identity politic blowing up in their faces.. This whole incident, #BlackLiveMatters2020 version favors no one other than Trump.

However it can backfire

Posted by: Nick | Jun 1 2020 19:44 utc | 220

Antispin @219
That’s exactly right in all respects.
Over the many years of good protective work, having a powerful deterrent effect on fascists. The police infiltrated the groups, filmed and identified individuals. Followed by personal haressment.
The salution then as now was to still be active but remain autonomous!
Coming together only for action, these days it takes a long time to gain the trust of what I would call real anti- fascists, they are not the very young idealistic types you may see.
The fascist grunts fear real experienced anti-fascists that should tell us something.
Tactics enclude group flash raids on fascist propitys, outing named fascists at there place of work,
Removing thier fly posters and tags/ graffiti,
Fighting violence with violence without hesitation.
Training in all nessersary skills. Ninjutsu is my preferd skill.
Lastly to counter eny descent here, I’d say simply why be a victem ?
Self defence is not violence. Let that fact ring loud and clear throughout America!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 1 2020 20:22 utc | 221

Posted by: juliania | Jun 2 2020 0:34 utc | 222

Autopsy surgeon just announced that George Floyd had no underlying medical conditions that could have caused his death, and that his death was caused by asphysxiation.

Chauvin has been charged with murder.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jun 2 2020 2:01 utc | 223

And the day has come..Gantz announced the beginning of the broader zionist occupation of Palestine..and even this is not the topic we must not forget that this will be a point of no return..the next 18 months will be much worse than the past military actions because now Palestine seems less supported..will somenone be interested to defend the right to exist in their own land for Palestinians?Or the slogans will remain just slogans??

Posted by: LuBa | Jun 2 2020 11:11 utc | 224

Another day, another horror. NYT today:

The discussions, declassified and released on Friday, illuminate not only the Trump administration’s dismissive attitude toward overwhelming evidence of the Russian sabotage effort, but also how the Kremlin worked to manipulate Mr. Trump’s advisers by convincing them that the president’s political enemies had concocted a “Russia hoax.”
I got a vision of a sleazy glib man manipulating preschoolers to "play doctor" on camera. But really, is there an innocent justification for dismissing evidence so overwhelming that FBI did not want to check the details (e.g. what did CrowdStrike find and did it really find it). There is no molehill without a mole after all. [end of snark]

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 2 2020 15:04 utc | 225

Today I have seen something totally unexpected: nice news from one of "zone of conflicts", more concretely, the line that separates Crimea "not under control of the legitimate government" from the lands under the control of that government. A soldier guarding the dike with a railroad track from the side of the legitimate government of Ukraine vanished a week ago. What happened to the defender of the Fatherland (Batkivshchina from batko = father)? Kidnapped? Tortured? Brainwashed?

Today Russian authorities released videos pertaining to the case. The first video, of the conscripted private crossing the line and detained is almost lyrical:

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

The soldier looks a bit happy, a bit disoriented, a bit like he imagines that he is flying like a bird, walks on the tracks. Then he sees soldiers of "the other side". We waves a hand, sits down. The two soldiers from "the other sides" approach, he shows his empty hands. The detention consisted of helping him to stand up and giving him a shoulder to steady his step. The soldiers walk on the tracks, apparently talking, the detaining soldier is making gestures with the "free hand" in which he holds an automatic.

There is another video of the testimony. He was on the post guarding the tracks for three months. Behaves like a very honest type of a village boy. He left the post to buy cigarettes in the nearest village. There on a bus stop there was a group of locals. He joined them drinking (I presume) vodka and smoking "grass". As he was heading back, they filled his pocket with "grass". So he was walking and rather than stopping on his post, he decided to continue to the Russian side, and he greeted the soldiers there "I am coming in peace".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 3 2020 0:52 utc | 226

I would like to thank Richard Steven Hack for his very decent and informative take on his personal experience, illustrating a topic, and more. Some thoughts have been going around my head for days now, so I wish to return for a personal word of gratitude - and more: a clear-headed and thoroughly serious extension of online debating spaces into the personal realm can apparently further understanding in a uniquely powerful way!

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 3 2020 11:49 utc | 227

I came across these two articles in VT. I would dearly like to know how you bar-flies evaluate them. VT, in my opinion, oscillates between hard-hitting realist articles and airy-fairy nonsense of quite extraordinary detachment from reality. Does anyone here have anything to confirm or disprove these?

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 9:13 utc | 228

Noirette | May 31 2020 15:44 utc | 15

Question of class, in political discussions are never "OLD HAT", and never will be as long as society continues to be divided into classes. Particularly not, while one class exploits the other classes! Any attempt to relegate discussions of class war to "historical" matters, is aimed at perpetuating the rule of the ruling class. I.e. highly suspect.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 9:42 utc | 229

H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 16:37 utc | 20

I would say to this bod in the video that he is obscuring the fact that the police have always been against the poor and the working class, of ALL colours. Yes the Blacks have had it worse than the rest, but separating them out, for special consideration, is playing the game of the PTB and is in the result NO help to the Blacks

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 10:03 utc | 230

vk | May 31 2020 17:10 utc | 24

I agree with you entirely. So long as the population can be kept busy with a racial conflict they are unlikely to engage in the PTB's real fear, a class war!

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 10:11 utc | 231

Jose Garcia | May 31 2020 18:21 utc | 39

This Shit was stirred up deliberately. The staged and filmed and widely advertised killing of Floyd, was not the usual police brutality. It was staged to create a war between races in the US, with a view to short-circuiting, averting, a far more damaging (to the PTB) class war which is likely to erupt sometime soon as a result of widespread unemployment and lack of money, resulting in mass evictions for non-payment of rent and mortgages, superimposed on the pre-existing poverty and homelessness and the simultaneous gift of $Trillions to the Super-rich.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 10:30 utc | 232

Jose Garcia | May 31 2020 18:21 utc | 39
I should have added that there are also people whose job it is to discredit anyone that takes part in the disturbances, particularly those who are not violent and talk sense. Hence the attacks on affordable housing projects, small stores, kindergarten and so on.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 10:34 utc | 233

Rae | May 31 2020 19:12 utc | 55
Probably the trouble stems from the lack of a satisfactory definition of "intelligence".

OT, I am reminded of the remark by (was it?) Einstein that he heard that "robots were going to be much more like human beings in the near future." "I would be more impressed" he said "if I did not see that people are becoming more and more like robots!"

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 10:52 utc | 234

james | May 31 2020 19:35 utc | 62

Reading Yahoo U.K. I get the impression that all the "news" agencies get their articles ready-written (Probably from the "Integrity Initiative"). Quite probably the same is true for all the 5-eyes.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 11:00 utc | 235

JC | May 31 2020 20:46 utc | 79

I fear that the Class consciousness necessary for a revolution is lacking in the US. It seems to me, admittedly looking on from outside, that the US working classes do not realize that they are working class, they largely, think they are 'temporarily distressed millionaires'(!).

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 11:26 utc | 236

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 31 2020 21:54 utc | 91
I would be interested to know what is your evaluation of these:

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jun 4 2020 11:45 utc | 237

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