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May 31, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-43

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

American Spring:

Tanya Kerssen @tkerssen - 2:37 UTC · May 31, 2020
Share widely: National guard and MPD sweeping our residential street. Shooting paint canisters at us on our own front porch. Yelling “light em up” #JusticeForGeorgeFloyd #JusticeForGeorge #BlackLivesMatter --> video
Elizabeth Murray @elizabethmurra - 4:33 UTC · May 31, 2020
'Light 'em up - light 'em all up' -- the EXACT phrase used as a kill order in the US Army's Apache helicopter attack on Iraqi civilians in the 'Collateral Murder' video released by @wikileaks - with no accountability, it has all come home.

In the 'collateral murder' incident U.S. troops killed a Reuters photographer.

From last night there are more than two dozen reports of direct police attacks on well identified media. Police are shooting with pepper balls, rubber bullets and tear gas directly at camera teams. The rubber bullets are aimed at the head. One photographer lost her eye. There were at least three arrests of legitimate reporters who held up their press cards. In the other direction a Foxnew camera team was attacked by protesters.

One wonder what the police hope to gain from this strategy.

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Other issues:

Russiagate:

George Galloway @georgegalloway - 15:00 UTC · May 29, 2020
EXCLUSIVE | The Podesta files were leaked, not hacked. #Russiagate #USPolitics #HillaryClinton WATCH THIS: buff.ly/2ZGIR4O

Boeing:

Dominic Gates @dominicgates - 19:46 UTC · May 27, 2020
On the day when Boeing announces 12,000 U.S. job cuts, the company's president in India touts Boeing's new $200M engineering and technology campus going up in Bengaluru.

Boeing’s India operations to be largest outside US
http://toi.in/4yGiHZ/a24gk via @timesofindia

Syria:

The FSA War Criminal and the CIA Asset Inside Islamic State - Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi

Russia:

Kino Klassika provides old Russian/Soviet films and TV series with English subtitles
Tip: RED FRONT - 75 Years of Russian War Cinema - Kinoklassika

India:

The Pillage of India - NYRB

Use as open thread ...

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Posted by: Prof K | May 31 2020 18:55 utc | 49 Race and racism are merely social forms through which the American class war has been mediated. It's the threat of class war that is moving Trump's hand. We are entering unprecedented political territory.

I would tend to agree with that. Racism in the US is just a symptom of class war. But it's also a symptom of human nature. Humans are competitive, hierarchical primates. Any deviance in the social order is reason for oppression. That includes differences in ethnicity and race, as well as levels of wealth and power.

And that's why human politics and social order are an unsolvable phenomena. Indeed, "civilization" is unsolvable.

I am reminded of several quotes from one of Eric Van Lustbader's books, "The Miko", which have always impressed me as true. I just looked them up.

The fact is, there is no such thing as civilization. It is a concept the Chinese confected - or, if you prefer the Western mode, the Greeks - simply in order to give a certain moral credence to their attempts at domination over the other peoples of the world - Eric Van Lustbader, The Miko

But the concept of civilization is like that of Communism. Pure in the mind nevertheless it can exist in reality. It is too absolute a concept for man. Like the theory of relativity it is best thought of, food for contemplation, for a civilized man would harbour no warlike tendencies. He would not spy on another, he would not be an adulterer, a slanderer, a destroyer. - Eric Van Lustbader, The Miko

When we set the concept of civilization aside, we free ourselves. - Eric Van Lustbader, The Miko


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 22:40 utc | 101

uncle tungsten @ 96, 'whitefella' in Australia I believe; in New Zealand 'pakeha'. Thanks for the archeological tidbits!

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 22:44 utc | 102

Posted by: Rae | May 31 2020 19:12 utc | 54 Sometime between the 80s and today, the definition of AI got downgraded from human-equivalent-consciousness to adavanced-script / data-mining. Whenever I read AI somewhere it is never even close to the right ballpark... and I just can’t put my finger on how deliberate or natural the bastardisation of the word / idea is?

I've been watching AI off and on for decades. About every twenty years there is a new upsurge and commercial hype over "AI". First, the term is essentially meaningless - a catch-all for attempts to replicate in code various functions of the human brain. Second, without a clear ability to reproduce the human brain's ability to conceptualize - i.e., produce and manipulate concepts - it will never achieve human level "intelligence".

Back in the '80s IIRC the big thing was "neural nets" and "expert systems" That was "the next big thing." Then its limitations were finally revealed, and while it produced some useful tools, it never led to anything remotely resembling human intelligence.

What we see today in "AI" is a subset called "machine learning". This stuff has been around for twenty years, if not longer. It's just being hyped now as a solution to all sorts of business problems, from infosec to data mining, the latter because "Big Data" is now "the next big thing." Suck down all sorts of information, then try to make sense of it. Basically corporations are trying to do the same thing the NSA head said he wanted to do: "Collect it all." That leads to useless "data" instead of "information" and still less "intelligence" (in the awareness sense), so they're trying to use machine learning to fix that. Eventually the limitations of that approach - if any - will be revealed and the hype over AI will die down until "the next big thing."

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 22:48 utc | 103

I think there is something seriously wrong with some Americans' brains, it is like they are incapable of reading a situation and interact with fellow human beings with even the most basic emotional intelligence or empathy, let alone strategic foresight.

Posted by: Et Tu | May 31 2020 18:48 utc | 46

Spot on. Americans have been severely propagandized, dumbed down, and indoctrinated.
They are incapable of introspection, let alone connecting continuous streams of thought together into a cohesive view.

"Century of the Self" is a very illuminating film on Ed Bernays (nephew of Freud) work on propagandizing and conditioning Amurikans to be selfish consumers- and the psychological effects and ramifications have been profoundly ugly on the masses.

It has been helpful on a personal level with trying to be more compassionate than contemptuous towards my fellow ignorant hypocritical selfish brainwashed Amurikan.

Posted by: CitizenX | May 31 2020 22:53 utc | 104

@Posted by: JC | May 31 2020 21:56 utc | 91

Comrade, you know, this is new for me, I did not know that there were so many people in the US feeling like this, even people who does not seem suffering privations, yet, as the video where so many white people chant "I can not breath"...in support of the protesters...

I have only known of those brave who defended the Venezuelan Embassy, some from "Code Pink" and some journalists, but as I understand now it is that you were so terrorized by your own government that you were shocked, no other way this sudden explosion could be explained...

Comrade, your people do not always have been as you seemed to be in these last decades, even V.I.Lenin realized:

"El pueblo norteamericano tiene una tradición reovlucionaria, recogida por los mejores representantes del proletariado nacional"

They just were erased by the same fascists now in power since decades ago...is this people who come now talking about violence?

The Communist Party and the United States labor movement was very powerful. So much so that they literally erased it with blood and fire. Physical removal. That is why they created the CIA and the previous entities that saw it born.

https://twitter.com/nachazo/status/1267100349262938117

About violence as structural phenomenon inherent to the US society, this interview with Angela Davis in 1972, which today continue to be valid. She is talking about real terrorist acts commited against black people by organizations which as of today has never been declared as "terrorist organizations" by any US government, like the KKK...

https://twitter.com/ComisionOctubre/status/1267093310897782784

Salud comrades y fuerza!


Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 22:59 utc | 105

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 21:06 utc | 80 The previous thread comments reported on the violence in San Francisco. I hope RS Hack is okay.

I'm fine, thank you for the concern. But it seems quiet here. I'm not hearing any sirens at the moment. Haven't bothered yet to look at the local news to see what's going on. Heard the helicopters earlier, but they seem to have left now (oops, wrote that too soon - they're back.) We were supposed to have a curfew tonight from 8PM to 5AM.

Just looked this up:


1:29 p.m. Curfew excludes homeless, medical needs, journalists: Exemptions to San Francisco’s overnight curfew include the homeless, journalists and people who can show officers “that they are in such place for the sole purpose of traveling to a home or workplace or to obtain medical assistance,” as well as government emergency and response workers, a statement from Mayor London Breed’s office said Sunday. Everyone else has to be inside from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. as of Sunday night.

Hah, they exempted the homeless from the lockdown, now they exempt them from the curfew! This city absolutely will not do anything about the 17,000 homeless. The city wanted 14,000 hotel rooms to house them during the lockdown, they only got 2,000, and only 1,000 are occupied. What a circus...

And this:


12:13 p.m. State will send 200 officers to assist SF: California officials will send 200 additional law enforcement officers from across the region to assist in enforcing San Francisco’s overnight curfew, said Police Chief Bill Scott. Scott warned residents to stay inside, though he did not address how the 8 p.m.-5 p.m. curfew would be enforced. “If you’re not exempt, don’t be outside,” he said.

Celebrities get involved...


2:07 p.m. SF religious leaders call ‘kneel-in’ protest: Actor Jamie Foxx will join traditional black church leaders, rabbis and NAACP and civic leaders for a peaceful “kneel-in” outside San Francisco police headquarters, aiming to highlight “a violent and utterly unacceptable pattern of behavior by police everywhere, including our own city, that put the lives of people of color at risk of their lives from the very individuals who are sworn to protect them.” The event is set for 11 a.m. Monday at City Hall

And here is more proof that the goal is to make *any* sort of criminal act an act of "terrorism":


2:24 p.m. Federal official suggests attack at Oakland federal building fits pattern: Ken Cuccinelli, deputy secretary of Homeland Security, suggested the fatal attack on a security guard at the federal building in Oakland was part of a pattern, telling reporters the government knows of threats against other police stations and federal buildings.“When someone targets a police officer or a police station with an intention to do harm and intimidate, that is an act of domestic terrorism,” he said.

So any time someone shoots at a cop or even punches a cop, they're going to be charged with "domestic terrorism." I suspect that my "the only good cop is a dead cop" will eventually get me charged with "terrorism" (especially in light of my criminal record which they can use to support such a charge.)

When I was inducted into the Florence Federal Correction Institution in Colorado, the intake psychologist reviewed my file and asked me, "What were you intending to do those Presidents?" I thought, "yeah, right, asshole, I'm going to say something to get me another Federal charge." So I said nothing.

It's always been a Federal crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the US government. It's been mostly unenforceable, or selectively enforced. After this series of events, I suspect we'll see it enforced much more in order to suppress dissent even more.


18 U.S. Code § 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Well, I'm not going to stop advocating precisely that - although I'm quite aware that, again as Percival Rose says, "That ain't gonna happen."

"Also, old hippie and William Gruff had some cogent remarks at the end of the previous thread."

Alas, I responded to oldhippie - which is mostly a waste of time dealing with an obvious troll, whom I now also suspect of being a hasbara agent given that a Google search produces *no* such person posting anywhere else (in contrast to my name, which is all over the Internet on many topics.)

I usually appreciate Gruff's remarks as being rational and commonsense.

Some more notes from the local news:


2:37 p.m. Cities with protests number at least 75: At least 75 cities have seen protests in the recent days of fury following the death of George Floyd at police hands in Minneapolis, the New York Times reports. More than two dozen mayors imposed curfews, the first time so many have simultaneously issued such orders in the face of civic unrest since 1968 when the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated.

So we're now officially "back in the Sixties."


3:09 a.m. LA wakes up to military on streets: Downtown Los Angeles emerged Sunday from a night of flames and looting to see five National Guard military Humvees parked at 3rd and Hill streets and L.A. Guardsmen in full combat gear standing outside shattered storefronts, the Los Angeles Times said. Scores of Guardsmen toted M-4 rifles as they patrolled along Broadway. The morning light revealed the damage from the days before: broken windows, trash-strewn streets and graffiti-tagged buildings.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 23:15 utc | 106

Posted by: Perimetr | May 31 2020 21:24 utc | 83 I'm routinely getting blocked by Cloudflare when attempting to post on MoA. Anyone else have that experience? Any reason why some posts are ok and some are not?

I have never experienced Cloudflare on MoA. Does MoA even use Cloudflare DDoS protection?

Are you running Windows? Any chance your system has been compromised by malware? Might want to run a full virus scan with whatever AV you're running followed by a second opinion check by Malwarebytes Anti-Malware or some other utility. If your machine is doing something in the background from malware, that could explain your problems.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 23:19 utc | 107

From last night there are more than two dozen reports of direct police attacks on well identified media.

No mention of Russian journalist Mikhail Turgiev in that currently 57-item-long Twitter list. Complete silence in the U.S. press as well. Russian Ambassador had to make a statement.

Posted by: S | May 31 2020 23:21 utc | 108

Race and racism are social constructions, there is no biological basis to race

Racism -- defined as social structures and ideas of racial superiority -- only emerged alongside the development of capitalism.

It took rudimentary form in the English conquest of Ireland -- the Irish were defined as unhuman to justify the colonizing project.

But modern racism really emerges in the southern plantation economies as an explicit strategy of labor control.

Slavery in the US did not originally map onto racial distinctions. There were white and black slaves.

Racism was created by the planters to divide the white and black laboring population after rebellions like Bacon's.

There was nothing natural about this. It was a constructed form of class formation in the US.

Don't confuse racism with prejudices or slavery.

It is an institution of class domination under capitalism.

Posted by: Prof K | May 31 2020 23:46 utc | 109

Posted by: Prof K | May 31 2020 23:46 utc | 108

Agreed. Prejudice is personal, racism is organized social control, slavery is purely economic.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 23:57 utc | 110

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 22:59 utc | 104

Hi bro, I'm neither a member past or present and in anyway associate with the commie but an American sick and tired seeing the constant bashing by racists and the Lysol man. Here something just in from RT newsfeed..

"Flash bangs & tear gas in Washington DC as crowds of protesters descend on White House (VIDEOS)" "...street is blocked by police at H and 15th.." and people from vids includes white walking on the streets and chanting...

https://www.rt.com/usa/490348-white-house-protesters-rally/

Its seem the violence are more pronounce since yesterday. I presume the Lysol man must plans to evacuate himself, families and cabinet to the deep mountains in Colorado... the only escape for him now is to shout and tweets China, China, China ..Good job!

Posted by: JC | Jun 1 2020 0:09 utc | 111

Something just kicked off here in San Francisco...whole slew of police sirens just went past my building...

I should probably mention that I live one block from the Tenderloin Station of the SFPD. :-) And the cops there know this building very well, as they've been in here numerous times over the years to deal with unruly residents. The cops who have been in here have also been accused of stealing stuff in the past, and this was noted in the press.

S.F. Theft investigation centers on plainclothes cops Drug suspect whose case was dismissed seeks return of bag that tape shows plainclothes officer removing

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 0:11 utc | 112

Here's some more on that police corruption...

6 S.F. officers indicted over residential hotel searches Grand jury alleges theft of property from occupants in residential hotel

Former SF cop sentenced to more than 3 years in jail in corruption case That one is related to the one above.

You not only can't trust the residents in these SRO hotels, you can't trust the cops you call to help you from them.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 0:18 utc | 113

@james @karlof

i like you both , but james please dont engage trolls like “robert” anymore , or his cubicle mate “nemesiscalling”.. your honest attempt to discuss things in civil way is just pointless as the trolls will just skirt along your explanation and continue plugging their narrative while making up new strawman..

point the troll out and never engage them in discussion.. this “robert” namesake was obvious from his 1st post and because ppl continue to engage him he became bolder and more obnoxious flooding the comment section..

and james , stop posting on SST , i hate to see you getting constantly insulted by the warmonger ex colonel pat lang the closet trump supporter. SST become a cesspool of bootlicker and warmonger trumpers now as the crazy senile colonel block and insult ppl who have different opinion on US of A..

look at his posts , the fantasy dream of old america , as if he truly believe the crap about america’s origin as noble and just..

Posted by: milomilo | Jun 1 2020 0:25 utc | 114

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 23:15 utc | 105

So we're now officially "back in the Sixties."

Almost, not quiet. Most riots occurs near and in East LA while Latino's clusters mainly in LA Avarado St. and Chinese in China Town near Dodge stadium and Sunset Blvd. The Asians communities mainly in Gardena and Torrance toward South Bay area... I lived in LA almost 10-yrs. and burnt, baby burnt were the chanting cried...

Posted by: JC | Jun 1 2020 0:27 utc | 115

@Richard Steven Hack #112
Have you ever actually talked to an SF Policeman?
Do you know that they make, on average, well over $100K a year? Their salaries average $75K but there is unlimited overtime opportunities from the private sector ranging from the tech companies to the baseball team, retail, etc. They also get a pension.
So why exactly would a policeman steal belongings from an SRO resident?
This isn't the 1970s where inflation made police pay literally unsurvivable.
Does police corruption occur? Absolutely - they are human beings just like everyone else.
However, the notion that they're inherently bad is just as idiotic as the notion that every African American is a criminal or Mexican is an illegal alien.

So keep on vilifying - your perspective is frankly quite illuminating in a horrifying way. I type this as I just toured downtown SF and saw the damage caused by last night's riots, and watch the police prepare for more tonight. Dozens of businesses have been plundered - work crews were boarding up the few businesses that were open and windows that weren't covered with wood including CVS drug stores, Target stores, Starbucks etc. Talking with people I know - there is an inordinate amount of attacks on pharmacies, urgent care and bank locations - likely to steal meth makings, prescription painkillers and cash respectively.

There are at least 5 helicopters overhead; buses of police are coming in from all over the Bay Area and there are groups of 15+ motorcycle police blocking one offramp from the Interstate that I can see - likely more blocking the other. This same offramp where I see a stolen car ram into a restraining wall and the thieves in it jump out and flee on foot - at least twice a year.

There are plenty of individuals who deserve scorn and should be made accountable - these businesses aren't any of them.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 1 2020 0:30 utc | 116

a side observation on the protests in twitter

theres many many account from india that support american police and condemn the protesters

and no these are not just random disposable account but ordinary indian account as tracked by post history.

anyone saw the indian police bashing an oldman with rattan and continue bashing even after the old man collapsed ? and these indian twitter (the most arrogant liars one will ever encounter in twitter) dared to support american police brutality ?

Posted by: milomilo | Jun 1 2020 0:34 utc | 117

You not only can't trust the residents in these SRO hotels, you can't trust the cops you call to help you from them.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 0:18 utc | 112

I hope you don't live in any of these hotels, because you just to us not to trust the residents. Loon huh?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 1 2020 0:34 utc | 118

*told us

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 1 2020 0:38 utc | 119

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 1 2020 0:30 utc | 115 So why exactly would a policeman steal belongings from an SRO resident?

Because they're assholes who don't like poor people? Have *you* ever talked to a cop?

"Does police corruption occur? Absolutely - they are human beings just like everyone else."

You just answered your own question.

"However, the notion that they're inherently bad is just as idiotic"

If you will read my previous posts in the previous thread, you will note that I have made the distinction - as Jimmy Dore did - from the cops who join with good intentions, then get weeded out by the system of police corruption. Besides, as an anarchist, all cops - good or bad individually - are parts of the system. So I continue to maintain that, regardless of the personal qualities of any individual cop - which I have no interest in assessing - the only good cop is a dead cop.

"There are plenty of individuals who deserve scorn and should be made accountable - these businesses aren't any of them."

Never said that. I frequent Target downtown, and they were one of the places that handled the virus lockdown relatively competently. That said, as an anarchist, I recognize the corporations are creations of the state, as opposed to old-time "companies" which are merely groups of individuals. Therefore all corporations can be condemned. However, as with cops, there are egregiously bad corporations and corporations which may be less so.

I have appreciated your posts on the virus issue in those threads. So I'm not sure why you feel the need to target my posts on this matter over anyone else's here. If you've got some specific issue with me, say so - so I can then ignore you or explain where you're incorrect (if you are.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 0:48 utc | 120

Another troll weighs in to spew insults... Do not engage with these people. b needs to ban them.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 0:50 utc | 121

@ 113 milomilo... thanks man! here is one for you - milo-milo-milo-milo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZHBxlwZBw

@ 75 canadian cents... cbc is not bad.. it is better then a lot of the privately owned media news outlets in canada, but it is still sub par.. they have a regular russian bashed - chris brown, who writes regularly on russia and stuff like that... it is what it is...as a nice alternative - paul robinson has a website i go to periodically.. he is a prof at a university in ottawa i think - u of ottawa -https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/ ... i recall the website rabble.ca but i ran into problems with that site many years ago for a certain type of narrowmindedness on the part of those controlling the site...

i didn't know much about the Shooting of Ahmaud Arbery, but i got an overview via wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Ahmaud_Arbery that looks like more of the same craziness.. thanks for your post..

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 1:06 utc | 122

bashed - basher...

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 1:07 utc | 123

@120 What's the going rate at the Henry these days? Just curious. I stayed there back in the 80s and it was $20 a night.

Posted by: dh | Jun 1 2020 1:16 utc | 124

@ dh.. good to see you back here.. the place needs more humour..

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 1:28 utc | 125

Et Tu #46

The great Prof. Johan Galtung had predicted the collapse of the USA in 2020... it seems Covid19 and some dumb cops may have chipped in to prove him right just in time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8npPSB90ZU&t=4s

Thank you and that is a good late 2017 video for barflies to consider. Prof Galtung predicted the end of US EMPIRE not the USA state or its violence (home and abroad). He forecasts that the USA key evangelical christian allies - UK Denmark & Norway will no longer be the USA killing agencies.

But the discussion goes much deeper and is vital in its condemnation of Obumer and he has some optimistic forecasts at the conclusion.

Watch it as we can all do with some glimmer of optimism throughout the world and perhaps some solidarity for the grim times facing and playing out in the USA right now. Solidarity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2020 1:41 utc | 126

james | Jun1 1:06 @ 121

the Shooting of Ahmaud Arbery

The killing of Arbery and the attempted cover-up afterwards is shameful and disturbing.

The guy that filmed the killing was in on it - probably in an attempt to provide video evidence for a 'stand your ground' defense. And the prosecutor Barnhill tried to get the case squashed/dismissed by supporting the killers claim of 'citizen's arrest' despite the fact that the killers didn't meet the legal requirements for making a 'citizen's arrest'. In order to intervene on behalf of the killers, prosecutor Barnhill failed to reveal that he had a conflict of interest and had already opined about the case prior to being assigned the case (two different ethical violations).

We see this kind of thing all the time in these race killings. The white establishment closes ranks to support the white killer(s). The facts don't matter, or get ... adjusted.

The cops protect the establishment and the establishment protects the cops. Rinse. Repeat.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 1:51 utc | 127

George Floyd called out for his deceased mother as he was being murdered and gasping for his last breath.

My hope is that the cop who killed him wails like a baby for his momma when those bars get slammed in his face!

And it's about time the Prosecuting Attorney charges the other three thugs. What's he waiting for?

Damn them all to hell and those coward thug cops kicking women in the face and pushing them to the ground. Damn criminal cops assaulting women should be thrown in the slammer too.

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 1:56 utc | 128

CitizenX #103

Spot on. Americans have been severely propagandized, dumbed down, and indoctrinated.
They are incapable of introspection, let alone connecting continuous streams of thought together into a cohesive view.

Thank you for those observations:

To capture a populace, first destroy the schools and replace them a deadening child minding system focussed on sport or the koran or bible or tora or some sacred text. Then create a labyrinthine debate around tactics or translations or heresies - just enough to distract and satiate the inquiring human brain.

Then run a media structure that reinforces the dross and stupidity.

Add a dash of lead in the drinking water and conspiracy in the social media. and VOILA! You can instil state control in some form.

Good luck to all who suffer under these conditions.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2020 1:57 utc | 129

jackrabbit - the story on that is horrible.... too much of this craziness is happening... the lady calling the cops on the bird watcher in central park while her dog was lose... she got fired, but it is the same crazy set up.. trying to frame someone for something they didn't do seems epidemic... that is the whole story of that book i was talking about by albert woodfox titled solitary... meanwhile the career criminals - bankers on wall st - continue to get away with everything shot of murder...

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 1:59 utc | 130

Another night of riots.

Another day of conflating the peaceful protesters with the rioters. And now Trump blames antifa so he can crack down forcibly on all protests.

The protesters want the officers involved to be charged appropriately. They are angered by the manslaughter charge against Chauvin and that the other officers haven't been charged as accessories.

The rioters act out that anger. Because they have no respect for an unjust system.

America burns because the authorities won't do the right thing. Then the media blames the protesters.

Surreal.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 2:00 utc | 131

I think this relevant to how fractured the discourse is. it's a repost from my litter watering hole.

I know it’s going to be difficult to accept what I’m about to say because people get very invested in their chosen narratives, but it’s important that you at least be exposed to the notion that it’s all true.

It’s true that people engaged in peaceful protests.
It’s true that people engaged in lawless looting.
It’s true that provocateurs have committed acts of vandalism and sometimes carry umbrellas.
It’s true that Antifa exists and that they don’t advocate gently placing flowers in the gaping hole of a long gun.
It’s true that some very messed up militia minded people call themselves Boogaloo Bois, wear Hawaiian shirts, and are showing up to add their brand of crazy to the mix.
It’s true looters come in all shades and sizes.
It’s true some desperate people are taking things they need.
It’s true some opportunistic people are taking things they want.
It’s true opportunistic government thugs suddenly shifted the Covid-19 rationale for using contract tracing to a catch-them-rioters rationale for using contract tracing.
It’s true the policy infrastructure for enacting martial law has been a long-term, bi-partisan project.
It’s true that now is the time to realize what’s at stake, but instead of acting collectively for our mutual benefit, the cognitive challenge of accepting that all these things can be true at the same time will keep us tied to one of these things to the exclusion of all the others.

It’s hard work, I know. But I have faith in you.

Posted by: lizard | Jun 1 2020 2:02 utc | 132

lizard...

it's true the 1% are exploiting the rest of us..
it's true wall st gets regular cover for all this via gov't, right and left..
it's true none of this is going to be addressed and the lobby-bribery will continue..
at the same time no matter how much people protest over this state of affairs, nothing looks set to change, but instead just the opposite
that much is what looks true to me..

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2020 2:10 utc | 133

Posted by: lizard | Jun 1 2020 2:02 utc | 131

Agree with every sentence. Except the one of having faith in anyone. :-)

Currently listening to the Gary Null Michael Hudson audio podcasts. Will listen to the other one next. Hudson makes a good description of how a bunch of rich people buy up stuff they have no interest in actually maintaining or using for any other purpose but to strip it and sell it and running up debt deliberately so they can drive real entrepreneurs out of business. Nothing I didn't know - I used to follow the exploits of people like Robert Vesco back ion the day - but it's nice to be reminded how scummy these billionaires are.

I love having targets pointed out to me. Just imagine how much crappy computer security all these scum actually have (and they do, because computer security is next to impossible to achieve.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 2:12 utc | 134

H.Schmatz #104

About violence as structural phenomenon inherent to the US society, this interview with Angela Davis in 1972, which today continue to be valid. She is talking about real terrorist acts commited against black people by organizations which as of today has never been declared as "terrorist organizations" by any US government, like the KKK...

https://twitter.com/ComisionOctubre/status/1267093310897782784

Salud comrades y fuerza!


Big Thank you for the link to Angel Davis. This encapsulates the violence persisting in the USA from its first 'white' day. We should never forget her words and her analysis.

They have come again in the morning of the revolution.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2020 2:13 utc | 135

Hey Richard,

I'm going to try to be less of a Dick, and in that spirit I was wondering if you would be at all inclined to soften the kind of declarative statements that the only good cop is a dead cop.

I wrote something about my interaction with cops and first responders during my shelter days I was hoping you would read and respond to, possibly in a manner that doesn't advocate for more violence. thank you.

Posted by: lizard | Jun 1 2020 2:13 utc | 136

@130 " And now Trump blames antifa so he can crack down forcibly on all protests."

Doubtful. Trump isn't a complete idiot. He will most likely say he's not against legitimate non-violent protest but vandals and looters are in big trouble.

Posted by: dh | Jun 1 2020 2:19 utc | 137

Rudy Guiliani on tv now complaining about the treatment of police.

Just charge the other officers involved in the killing of George Floyd!

The protests will then end and the police won't face the wrath of rioters.

It's the right thing to do - for everyone. Why don't they do it?

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We wondered if USA/West wanted to kill older people because the response to the virus has been so inept.

Now we have to wonder if USA wants the riots to continue so they can justify martial law.

They could end the riots easily. But they don't seem to be interested in doing so.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 2:20 utc | 138

If Trump gets a second term there will be war and enhanced militarism. The question is: what kind of war and which enemy; foreign or domestic?

Trump will make loyalty to the police state he is creating, mandatory.

He should read the biography of Mussolini. It doesn't end well.

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 2:23 utc | 139

...for Mussolini.

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 2:26 utc | 140

However, before anyone gets their hopes up, let's not forget Trump was Chosen by the 1% and he's a Ziofascist, which offers him a whole lot of protection an ordinary Neofascist would lack.

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 2:32 utc | 141

@139 Mussolini made a bad deal with Hitler. He got Italy into a World War. He lost. He paid the price.
Donald will probably just have a stroke or something.

Posted by: dh | Jun 1 2020 2:34 utc | 142

Posted by: lizard | Jun 1 2020 2:13 utc | 135 I'm going to try to be less of a Dick

Which I appreciate, let me say.

"I was wondering if you would be at all inclined to soften the kind of declarative statements that the only good cop is a dead cop."

I addressed that further up in the thread and in a previous post. To recap if you missed those, I recognize that there are individual cops who are not "bad guys" and are just trying to do a professional job at what they think is a necessary job. Unfortunately, as Jimmy Dore has pointed out, these guys will end up being weeded out by the corrupt law enforcement *system*. And that being the case, I can't continue to make such a distinction. Everyone is responsible for their choices. If someone chooses to involve themselves in a corrupt system because they can't comprehend what's wrong with it before they enter it, well, that's on them.

And I say that as someone who enlisted in the US Army in 1967 during the Vietnam war. I take responsibility for my own stupidity and ignorance (more the latter than the former, but the distinction is meaningless at this point.)

So I can't comply with your request. Not that I have to repeat it like a mantra like some people here, however.

"I wrote something about my interaction with cops and first responders during my shelter days I was hoping you would read and respond to"

IIRC I think I did read that in an earlier thread and responded to it - if it's the one I think it is. Might want to go back and look for that.

"possibly in a manner that doesn't advocate for more violence"

Again, as long as the *system* is engaging in excessive violence, I can't guarantee I won't recommend an appropriate response.

I am reminded of another quote from the Situationist Raoul Vaneighem in his "Revolution of Everyday Life" book:


The most peace-loving of people are haunted by dreams of blood. How hard it is to be solicitous towards those whom one cannot kill on the spot; to use kindness to disarm those one cannot disarm by force. I have a great debt of hatred towards those who have very nearly succeeded in enslaving me. How can hate be destroyed without destroying its causes? The barbarity of riots, the arson, the people's savagery, all the excesses which terrify bourgeois historians, are exactly the right vaccine against the chill atrocity of the forces of law, order and hierarchical oppression.

So, sorry I can't comply with your request. I can, however, not emphasize it in every post - not that I've been trying to - as long as people don't keep bringing it up.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 2:35 utc | 143

People been talking about how easy it is for a determined nsa sticky beak to track anyone on the net. This can take a little work however as some on the net do take a few basic steps, using non-accountable to amerika deliberately personal data non-gathering vpns & the like.
Over the years assorted MoA users have campaigned against those trolls who provide links using one of the 'free' amerikan administered link 'shortening' services
because putting in a direct link is as simple as copy & pasting the html text found in the box we all enter our posts in.
These services are much loved by intelligence & police because they record sufficient details of those clicking the link to make every visitor to a site easily traceable.
So one wonders why we now find such a link in the article txt which 'b' posted. The Galloway link includes a Buffer corporation link shortener.
That is definitely a first. What is going on?

Posted by: A User | Jun 1 2020 2:36 utc | 144

Get this: there's been a bonfire burning in front of White House while I was writing the above unbeknownst to me 😆 and Trump has been moved to the bunker. See, I told ya he's not your ordinary fascist!

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 2:39 utc | 145

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 2:20 utc | 137 They could end the riots easily. But they don't seem to be interested in doing so.

Aside from other reasons involving state over-reach, etc., etc., one reason is simply because they would be required to admit that they screwed up (to the degree that any of this was a screw-up as opposed to deliberate) - and that's impossible for people in power. Especially for a raging narcissist like Trump. And Giuliani, God, what an asshole he is...he could never admit a mistake.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 2:42 utc | 146

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 2:39 utc | 144 Trump has been moved to the bunker. See, I told ya he's not your ordinary fascist!

I was re-watching the TV spy series "XIII - The Series" a few months back. In season two, the President is put under pressure by conspirators who are causing an economic shock by bombing oil facilities, and using HAARP (the weather manipulation system beloved of conspiracy theorists) to wreck the weather. The President gets defeated in the November election - but declares a state of emergency and refuses to relinquish the Presidency. Eventually the incoming President gets enough support to have him removed - whereupon he retreats to the bunker under the White House and has to be pried from it by the Marines.

I could see this happening next January if Trump loses.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 2:47 utc | 147

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 2:42 utc | 145

WHy single out Trump? He is just a symptom of the sick American society that treats irresponsibility and sociopathy as virtues.

Posted by: JW | Jun 1 2020 2:52 utc | 148

Circe | Jun 1 2020 2:23 utc | 138:

If Trump gets a second term there will be war and enhanced militarism. The question is: what kind of war and which enemy; foreign or domestic?

Trump will get re-selected. I doubt there will be a hot war between major powers. More proxy wars and most definitely more militarism. As for your question, it'll be both.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 1 2020 2:54 utc | 149

You know what I'm loving about this? How many people hate the police! I must admit, those kids are brave confronting the cops like they do with tear gas, rubber bullets and pepper spray fired at them. Those bastards are assaulting young women every chance they get. Cowards!

Stupid Chris Cuomo says there are people making the police look bad. Shut up, Cuomo! The police are making the police look bad. Oh! This is good, get this: as Cuomo said that stupid thing, a cop hit CNN's camera guy in the leg with a baton! Boy, did Cuomo shut up quick! 😂 Stupid Cuomo got smacked down good!

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 3:03 utc | 150

Fuck the police, they are ALL criminals. I know, worked for the East Palo Alto PD when it was the murder capital of the U.S. If they aren't committing a crime, they stand by WATCHING and protecting their gangster buddy's back.

And when do we get around to the conversation about the fucking corporate tools LOOTING the entire economy rather than hyperventilating about some idiots ripping off some shoes or appliances?

People in lockdown, with no jobs, nothing to do, now is the time to step forward and raise a ruckus. I've been arrested for non-violent CD, and it's time for MASSIVE resistance and arrests, just swamp the fucking police and the criminal "criminal" system.

Posted by: Trisha | Jun 1 2020 3:04 utc | 151

So the camera guy showed the police his pass and still got a whack on the leg!

Uh, Cuomo is acting like a dumb ass again! The protesters are asking CNN to go to the front of the line to film how the cops are provoking and Cuomo is telling the reporter not to. CNN doesn't want to get the truth, no wonder why their building was attacked the other night.

But the cops attacked the CNN crew in Philadelphia too earlier. And Cuomo is going on and on about agitators. Ah shut up already, boh zoh! The agitators are the fcking cops, idiot!

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 3:15 utc | 152

Lots of pearl-clutching on MSM.

OMG! How could this happen...

As though they have slept through the last decades of mal-investment, Wall Street looting, lack of accountability, etc.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 3:16 utc | 153

Stand-off in DC now.

Rubber bullets have been used.

Getting very tense.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 3:17 utc | 154

Posted by: JW | Jun 1 2020 2:52 utc | 147WHy single out Trump? He is just a symptom of the sick American society that treats irresponsibility and sociopathy as virtues.

Yes. I mention Trump because he's President - and a particularly inept and stupid President who makes George W. look like frickin' Einstein - and this is an election year.

Obviously.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 3:19 utc | 155

This guy has a channel that shows live feeds from different parts of USA:

https://www.twitch.tv/makaelectric

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 1 2020 3:22 utc | 156

We're under curfew now in San Francisco. It sounds like a spotter plane is making repeated passes over the city, undoubtedly spotting for the police.

From the press:


By Sunday night at 5 p.m., crowds were assembling near Salesforce Tower, and police began lining up against boarded-up buildings early Sunday evening on Market Street near the Powell Street cable car turnaround and at the Westfield San Francisco Centre, where a fire was set on Saturday night.


6:15 p.m. San Jose Police officer under investigation for conduct during protest response: A San Jose Police officer has been taken off street duty after a video of him cursing at protesters went viral on social media, San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo said in a Sunday news conference. Videos posted to Twitter showed Officer Jared Yuen saying, “Shut up, bitch,” and, “Let’s get this motherf-----,” while facing a line of people protesting the police killing of George Floyd on Friday. One video had been viewed 2.2 million times as of Sunday evening. San Jose Police chief Eddie Garcia said Sunday the incident is under investigation and Yuen is “going to be accountable for his actions and he’s going to have to deal with the consequences.” Garcia said: “I’m not happy with his actions. I’m sure if Jared was sitting here, he’d be embarrassed as well. But I will tell you, I know Jared. He’s a good kid. He made a mistake. He let his emotions get the better of him. He’s put his life on the line for this police department at many an occasion. So we’ll take all of that into consideration.” Liccardo said all complaints against law enforcement stemming from protests will be investigated in partnership with an independent auditor. “I found the video of Officer Yuen particularly disturbing and his conduct a sharp contrast with what was otherwise overwhelmingly admirable professionalism in our department,” Liccardo said. “In my view, that officer allowed his emotions to undermine his professional duty to the public.”


6:08 p.m. Crowd gathers outside Best Buy in Pleasant Hill: Perhaps 50 people, many dressed in black and carrying backpacks, were trying to break into the store. No police were visible.

Many BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) stations closed, including the Civic Center, Walnut Creek, Oakland 12th Street, etc.

And here we have SF's Mayor touting the same story-line about "outside agitators" (and yes, they exist, but they're not the cause.) I think all the mayors are reciting from a playbook issued from Washington (or Wall Street).


4:50 p.m. Mayor London Breed condemns ‘organized agitators’ in SF, says protesters at her home showed ‘blatant racism and hate’: Speaking in the Mission District, Mayor London Breed said officials “feel the hurt and the pain” of those protesting the death of George Floyd while also speaking passionately against people “who are coming to our city for the sole purpose of destroying our city.” Breed spoke specifically about protesters who gathered outside her home Saturday evening. “What bothers me the most is the fact that there are organized agitators that do this for a living all over the country. They go to various places and they try to incite a riot. And let me tell you, yesterday I had some protesters - I didn’t get to see them, but sadly I saw the videos. And — all white people yelling ‘Black lives matter,’ protesting in front of my house," Breed said. “But that didn’t bother me as much as the taunting of me coming outside with firework torches in their hands looking like what used to happen when the KKK would show up to black peoples’ houses to burn their houses down.

“Don’t come for me. Cause I’m not the one. Don’t bring the fire. Cause I’m not the one. Don’t get it twisted. Cause I’m not the one. Cause I know what that is. I know what that is, disguised in activism. That’s not activism. That is blatant racism and hate.

“You can disagree with my policies, you can not like me, you can protest me at city hall all day every day. But don’t come for me like that. Don’t come to my house. Because at the end of the day, what’s more disrespectful is the fact that we have people who are not black chanting ‘Black lives matter’ and don’t mean it - and don’t mean it.

“Your words mean nothing if your actions are something else. Stop turning ‘Black Lives Matter’ into a joke because it’s not. It’s born out of pain. It’s born out of disrespect and racism. Don’t turn ‘Black Lives Matter’ into a joke. Because it’s not a joke.”

So in other words, she's saying that because some white people think "black lives matter", they must be racists turning that slogan "into a joke". I call bullshit. There may well be some people doing that - but there may well plenty of whites who believe that black lives matter, especially in San Francisco, a notoriously liberal city.

Unrest spreads to Bay Area suburbs: Walnut Creek declares curfew, woman shot

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 3:33 utc | 157

In State and Revolution, Lenin refers to the police as “special bodies of armed men.” They are called special because they are “placed above society and alienating themselves from it.” The police have powers to discipline and make arrests that no one else has. If communities have proven able to organize and protect those within, what is the purpose of a modern police force?

Posted by: tomato_cultivator | Jun 1 2020 3:34 utc | 158

CNN is and always will be a crooked neoliberal propaganda tool. Trump has been a bonanza for CNN, even though they hate to love him and vice versa. Although their infatuation was with Hillary, they sure didn't help her win giving Trump so much free press.

When CNN fired Rick Sanchez for implying Jews run the media, it confirmed to me that CNN can't handle the truth, but CNN's support of GWBs bullshet and the Iraq War was their low point followed by their coverage of the Gaza invasion by Israel through the eyes of that snake Zionist spokesperson, Mark Regev. CNN is a Gatekeeper, and will never live down its past infamy.

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 3:46 utc | 159

Woke - Live Riots USA

https://www.twitch.tv/woke

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 4:07 utc | 160

Posted by: Mao | May 31 2020 14:15 utc | 1

China's Foreign Ministry Tweets "I Can't Breathe!" As America's Rivals Troll US Over Unrest
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-foreign-ministry-tweets-i-cant-breath-us-rivals-troll-us-over-unrest

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 4:14 utc | 161

@Richard,

I'm glad I know some good cops and first responders. maybe one day I'll get an email or text from someone inside the beast warning me the roundup is imminent.

I comment here, so am obviously on one or two lists ;)

Posted by: lizard | Jun 1 2020 4:15 utc | 162

From November 2010
When government becomes the largest actor in the economy

Most people have difficulty believing how the monetary system ultimately influences our daily lives and behaviour. As a more extreme example of this reality, most people find it difficult to see how, for example, the choice of monetary system has an impact on climate.

We are talking here of the monetary “system” as opposed to the money you carry around in your wallet. It is the system that is in question here. Regrettably, today even most professionals in the banking and finance industry are unable to name what type of monetary system we currently operate under.

The reality is though, that in the current political context where governments have imposed on society the current system, all social and economic dynamics are dictated by this unilateral and arbitrary choice.

Our debt based fiat monetary system requires that the quantity of credit and money must increase at an accelerating rate. The reason this is so, is cunningly simple. If you task a third party to do something, the third party must be somehow paid for the task. So that if you task a private bank to create the currency of a nation, then the livelihood of said bank consists in creating currency and, unsurprisingly, that’s what they will do.

Expanding the credit and monetary base faster than the rate of expansion of the economy however, brings about a very well defined set of arithmetical outcomes.

Inflation is a dynamic that conforms to the law of diminishing marginal utility. This means that you always require more credit and money to achieve the same result. This also means that as monetary policy loses traction over time, government must gradually but necessarily intervene at ever greater degrees directly in the economy to compensate the loss of monetary traction.

In a debt based system, as government gradually becomes the largest actor in the economy, increased government clout eventually and necessarily becomes government interference and intrusion as the state progressively becomes more authoritarian in nature.

Government employment numbers are a tell tale sign:

More federal workers' pay tops $150,000


“The number of federal workers earning $150,000 or more a year has soared tenfold in the past five years and doubled since President Obama took office, a USA TODAY analysis finds.”

Here is an earlier piece of research that never made it into the main stream press:

Percentage Growth in Government Jobs vs. Private Jobs: Some Facts

(NB: the original link from 2009 was no longer in service. I substituted the above that expresses a similar concept. The quote below however belongs to the original article)

“As of now, unfortunately for the US economy as a whole, government employees outnumber US manufacturing sector employees literally just shy of two to one.”

If you understand the importance of this trend, you must also understand what the implications are. You probably grasp the economic implications of expanded government because you realise that more government employees means more taxes on the economy. How else is government going to pay its employees? But what probably escapes you is the threat to your life and your personal freedoms that necessarily goes with expanded government due to the concomitant need to justify its existence.

Do you remember this Washington Post piece about the myriad secret security agencies?

projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/

(NB: Above piece is now behind a pay wall)

“The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work. These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight.”

Lacking in thorough oversight!

This is how today in the “free” West, we are hell bent on applying police-sate rules upon our open society and why our Boy-Scouts are undergoing military training, or why we are intent on groping passengers if not take their naked picture in the name of security. A “security” that is nothing of the sort in practical terms. And that is why we are hell bent on building straw-men arguments of evil doers outside our borders whom presumably threaten our way of life… as if our own politicians hadn’t already.

There is also an interesting piece of info that I can no longer find online.

Around 2008, the US Army repatriated a combat brigade from the Iraq theatre for "Civilian Operations". The original article appeared in the Army Times. Today, I can no longer find a reference to it.


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Posted by: guidoamm | Jun 1 2020 4:16 utc | 163

2003

Rumsfeld: Looting is transition to freedom

U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.

"The task we've got ahead of us now is an awkward one ... It's untidy. And freedom's untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that's what's going to happen here," Rumsfeld said.

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2003/04/11/Rumsfeld-Looting-is-transition-to-freedom/63821050097983/

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 4:25 utc | 164

Donald Rumsfield: "While no one condones looting, on the other hand, one can understand the pent-up feelings that may result from decades of repression and people who have had members of their family killed by that regime, for them to be taking their feelings out on that regime."

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 4:27 utc | 165

Oh, here's one for a laugh...

8:48 p.m. Reports of loose tiger near Oakland Zoo: The Alameda County Sheriff’s Office has received reports of a tiger on the loose near the Oakland Zoo in the area of 98th Avenue and Golf Links Road. The Sheriff’s Office later tweeted that all tigers are all accounted for at the Oakland Zoo.

Someone trolled the cops. LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 4:28 utc | 166

And it continues...


8:53 p.m. Widespread looting in and around Bayfair Mall in San Leandro: People are breaking into dozens of stores in the area. Many people are coming in and out of the Lucky supermarket on Fairmont Drive. People are stopping their cars in the middle of the street to get out and run into stores with broken windows, and there’s little police presence.


8:11 p.m. SFPD declares unlawful assembly at City Hall: The San Francisco Police Department is instructing protesters at City Hall to leave the area immediately after declaring an unlawful assembly. The citywide curfew went into effect at 8 p.m.

The spotter plane appears to have left. Maybe just off to refuel.

Well, I've got "Killing Eve", and two more episodes of "Devils" (a really appropriate show given events and the financial background!) to watch. Looks like StarGirl and Supergirl (yes, I do watch those) have been preempted since I don't see them posted for downloading. I may be back later.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 4:33 utc | 167

From June 2011
Fascism inexorable ascent

If you missed or, worse still, did not think anything of repatriating a combat brigade from a theatre of war in order to deploy it at home for “civilian” operations…

… or if you thought that militarizing the Boy Scouts was a welcome bit of creative fun thinking…

nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html

… then you probably won’t find it at all incongruous that a quintessentially civilian entity, as the Department of Education presubably is, should be gearing up for urban combat too…

voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/education-secretary-duncan/ed-department-buying-27-shotgu.html

And, of course, if you gear up to do something then at some point you will inevitably try your hand at doing what you are gearing up to do if for no other reason than you need to practice your new found skills… But if you are new at doing something, a degree of fuck-ups is inevitable…

news10.net/news/article/141108/2/Questions-surround-feds-raid-of-Stockton-home

… but since practice does make perfect, I would expect lots more snafus…

Lest we forget what happens when government becomes the largest actor in the economy:


NB
Did not check if the links above are still working.

Posted by: guidoamm | Jun 1 2020 4:34 utc | 168

2020 UpRising !!! Fuck Yeah

Jan,3- Trumps orders Murder Assassination of Soleimani- Both an Act of War and an Act of Terrorism among many other cowardly qualities.

Feb/March- the Covid Psy-Op Meltdown begins.

May- R.I.P. Floyd, what a horrible death to endure. What a way to go-

Fuck this scum govt. Blessings to all those on the street standing up for justice, standing up to the MAN, speaking out, and fucking fighting for a better life and nation.

I support this 2020 UpRising fully!

I can't think of a single moment or instance that I have felt good about or proud towards my govt, my country or my fellow Americans that I can recall- ever.

People are coming together on a National scale saying "fuck it, fuck you govt, we see right through you and we're not going to take it"

I am proud to see, hear and know that some Americans get it and are standing up. Don't live like a coward, and don't die like a coward.


Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 1 2020 4:55 utc | 169

Respectable Lawyer @RespectableLaw

During this time of protest, I know we could all use an uplifting story. So I want to tell you about El Negro Matapacos, the heroic Chilean protest dog who hated the police.

https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1267211844646768644

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 4:58 utc | 170

Cuomo is still getting schooled tonight on systemic police brutality and his brain is still resisting the truth. A video surfaced of police tasing a young black guy for no good reason and then tasing his girlfriend for no reason at all. Police are attacking women, but Cuomo is still being disingenuous. Then in Long Beach a group of protesters marching peacefully were shot with rubber bullets. So who are the malfactors Cuomo???

A lot of really good tweets on Bernie's twitter when you scroll down. Ice Cube and Jeff Borenstein are very good.

bernie sanders

Posted by: Circe | Jun 1 2020 5:00 utc | 171

JR and Mao:

Thanks for the Twitch TV links.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 1 2020 5:03 utc | 172

Reddit user posts a list (growing rapidly) of 'overreaction': reddit post

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Jun 1 2020 5:12 utc | 173

Jimmy Dore on fire today:
Compilation Of Maniac Cops Assaulting Women & Peaceful Protestors On Camera!

And Status Coup livestreaming NY, Minnesota, and LA:
Los Angeles Becomes the New Baghdad During George Floyd Protests

Posted by: Trisha | Jun 1 2020 5:34 utc | 174

Posted by: guidoamm | Jun 1 2020 4:34 utc | 167 Did not check if the links above are still working.

The third one was not, but using a search on the terms located a more complete version. Amazing - a no-knock raid for a student Federal aid issue.

I've been meaning to mention this one I read about years ago.

I think this was in Philadelphia IIRC, but don't quote me on that. A bunch of cops kick down a guy's door. They are conducting a raid based on a confidential informant fingering the house as a drug stash. the house is mostly empty of furniture because the guy who owns it is going through a messy divorce and the wife took most of the furniture. So the house looks like a drug stash house, which are frequently empty, which is probably why the Ci fingered it (for money he gets paid for this alleged intel). Anyway, they kick down the door, the guy hears this commotion, grabs a gun, comes downstairs, and the cops shoot him.

Now it gets fun.

The guy is lying on the floor for half an hour while the cops search the empty house and find nothing. They do *not* call for medical assistance for this guy lying on the floor.

Unbeknownst to the cops, he's still conscious. He overhears them arguing that since this is a bad bust, maybe they should *finish him off* to make it look like a good bust that came up empty-handed for drugs. They eventually decide not to do that because there are *five separate jurisdictions of cops* in on this raid, and they don't think they will be successful in *covering up the guy's murder* if they finish him off. So they don't.

How's that for a story? I wish I could find some link to it, but I can't find one for Philadelphia, so maybe it was some other city.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 5:36 utc | 175

@Mao #164: Great quote, thanks!

Posted by: S | Jun 1 2020 5:43 utc | 176

If you’re supporting the protests against racist murders by U.S. police, please reconsider! You see, Susan Rice is saying “this is right out of the Russian playbook”. Surely she wouldn’t lie, would she? I mean, who are you going to believe—Susan Rice or your own lying eyes?

Posted by: S | Jun 1 2020 5:46 utc | 177

Plenty of stories like that leading up to today.

For sheer "wow" factor I recall:

The Rambo style, combined agencies, raid on the Gibson guitar factory for a stash of "illegally" sourced wood.

The Rambo style, combined agencies, raid on the dairy farm that was providing raw milk to a group of citizens that were paying the farmer to provide them with same.

The Rambo style bust of a presumed drug house, shooting house owner and killing the family dog, but mistaken address.

The raid that ended up with a flash bang granade tossed into a baby's cot

Many others

A fiscal impasse is a thing to behold.

Greek, Persians, Chinese, Romans, Portuguese, French, Brits.... all succumbed to the magic of the fiscal impasse.

We know how this movie ends.

The only variable is time.

g

Posted by: guidoamm | Jun 1 2020 5:49 utc | 178

Updates from California...


10:05 p.m. Legislators cancel proceedings: The state Senate has canceled hearings scheduled for Monday in anticipation of further protests in downtown Sacramento. Secretary of the Senate Erika Contreras sent a letter Sunday telling legislators and their staffers not to come into the Capitol at the recommendation of the California Highway Patrol commissioner, according to a source in the Senate.


10:14 p.m. Santa Clara County Superior Court closed Monday: Presiding Judge Deborah A. Ryan has ordered the closure of the Santa Clara County Superior Court on Monday after the city of San Jose issued a local emergency proclamation and citywide curfew Sunday, according to a court news release. More information will be provided Monday, the release states.

So government is effectively shut down - except, of course, for its most repressive elements...


10:18 p.m. Mercury News reporter ‘brought down’ by police: Maggie Angst, a reporter for the San Jose Mercury News covering the protests, tweeted that she and a colleague “ brought down by cops, told to put our faces to the ground and threatened with a baton — even after we told them we were with the media.” San Jose’s curfew exempts authorized representatives of newspapers.


10:21 p.m. Burglary at Great Mall in Milpitas: A Nieman Marcus store at the Great Mall in Milpitas was the target of a “coordinated burglary” involving about 100 people and 50 cars Sunday night, Milpitas police said. Officers arriving at about 7:30 p.m. encountered “a large group of people running from the store,” per a police statement. “The quick response of our officers likely prevented additional businesses from being victimized.”

That's some "burglary"...100 people and 50 cars... LOL

Ah, back to watching "Devils"...

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 6:01 utc | 179

@169 Thanks Mao

El Negro Rocks ! Great story.

@circe- Haven't you figured out the MSM is a fraud and a major part of the problem in this country? NONE of the MSM "news" is legit, none. They are advertising agencies for the Empire-

Posted by: CitizenX | Jun 1 2020 6:20 utc | 180

...
I still want to know why Target closed 135 stores after only a couple days of rioting. There was something off about that. That had the smell of orchestration. However, it appears they have decided to reverse that decision and close only six stores in various cities. Weird.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 22:21 utc | 94

Target are closing a similar number of stores in Oz. The Target franchise in Oz is owned by the same conglomerate which owns the K Mart franchise.
K Mart has been eating Target's lunch in Oz for several years. A handful of large Target stores Oz will become K Mart Superstores.
In Oz, in the '70s & '80s, female shoppers used to pronounce Target > Tarjay (implying fashionable and "affordable" as Dame Edna once quipped derisively.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 1 2020 6:43 utc | 181

@hoarse #180 re: target/k-mart, the (rayon) pants were on the other horse here, K-Mart was a fixture until Target showed up. Also, 'Jacques Pennay' is a fine American boutique.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Jun 1 2020 6:55 utc | 182

I'm routinely getting blocked by Cloudflare when attempting to post on MoA. Anyone else have that experience? Any reason why some posts are ok and some are not?

Posted by: Perimetr | May 31 2020 21:24 utc | 83


MoA is not using cloudflare.
You may want to look into "Disable DNS over HTTPS", disable some dodgy addons and/or scan your computer for malware. Antivirus software may also cause issues because it often intercepts and reads your browsing even on secure pages.

Posted by: Joost | Jun 1 2020 7:06 utc | 183

Posted by: lizard | Jun 1 2020 2:02 utc | 131
"Its true ..."
I know b does not encourage one line "me too"s, but may i say, that free form verse is your best poem yet.

Posted by: Ok Krmd | Jun 1 2020 7:07 utc | 184

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-30/Li-Wenliang-s-wife-refutes-U-S-push-to-rename-Chinese-embassy-street-QUA8FsaUEw/index.html

Fu Xuejie, wife of the late doctor Li Wenliang on Saturday dismissed U.S. lawmakers' push to rename the street in front of the Chinese embassy in Washington as "Li Wenliang Plaza", saying she felt "very sad to hear that".

Noting that Li had a deep love for his motherland, Fu said in a social media post that no one will be allowed to use Li's name to harm China.

Li, an ophthalmologist at a hospital in central China's Wuhan City and a member of the Communist Party of China, was among the firsts to alarm the novel coronavirus in the country and was unfortunately infected with the virus at work and died on February 7, 2020.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-04-03/Li-Wenliang-is-a-martyr-and-role-model-Chinese-Foreign-Ministry-Po9w3rC8SI/index.html

Chinese Foreign Ministry on Friday responded to a question relating to U.S. lawmakers' recent plan to unveil a bill, named after Li Wenliang, to give the Trump administration power to impose sanctions on foreign officials who distort information about the Public health emergency information.

"I really do not know how these U.S. lawmakers were elected, they do not attend to their proper work and if they are in China they would have been asked to be replaced," said Chinese Foreign Ministry's spokesperson Hua Chunying at a regular press conference.

Li, the deceased doctor, along with 13 other people who died on the front line fighting the novel coronavirus in central China's Hubei Province, have been identified as the first batch of martyrs on Thursday.

Martyrs are the highest honorary title, which the Party and state award to citizens who bravely sacrifice their lives for the nation, society and the people.

Li and other medical workers like him are heroes of the Chinese people, Hua said, condemning politicians who manipulated Li's death in the line of duty as "extremely disrespectful to him and his family and have no moral bottomline."

For the United States, I suggest they honor the doctors who raised the alarm for the epidemic as early as January, Hua noted.

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 7:31 utc | 185

What a suprise. I would never have guessed that The New York Times would do a hit job on Tara Reade.

I have provided a link so that people can see for themselves, I'm not gonna quote a piece riven with nasty irrelevant gossip.
Why is this being treated any differently than any of the 'Me Too' allegations?
The only issue should be "Does Ms Reade's account include enough information for an objective analysis to decide Biden had opportunity? It does, as most know. The other important issue is, did Ms Reade make these allegations contemporaneously? That is at the time of the alleged attack. Which she also did. Former friends & partners of Reade have supported her, saying that she had told them of Biden's assault back when it happened, long before he became VP much less a prez candidate.

The media needs to be examining facts around Reade's assault not indulging in the type of mudslinging they criticised others for doing when orange moron's sleazy behaviour surfaced.

All the news which is never fit to print

There is bugger-all hope for our planet - maybe even for this tiny corner of the milky way galaxy, truth be told, should either orange moron or creepy joe win the 2020 prez of amerika rigged bar raffle.

Posted by: A User | Jun 1 2020 7:39 utc | 186


11:26 p.m. All California state offices in downtown areas directed to close Monday: “After consultation with the California Highway Patrol and Office of Emergency Services, the decision was made this evening to advise all state offices in downtown areas to close tomorrow, and to notify staff of the decision,” according to Amy Palmer, deputy secretary for California’s Government Operations Agency.

11:11 p.m. SF police arrest around 80 for curfew violations, looting: Despite saying Sunday's demonstrations were "overwhelmingly orderly and peaceful," San Francisco police said they arrested around 80 people, mostly for violating the city's emergency curfew and looting. Some of the arrests resulted in the seizure of firearms and explosives, police said. The arrests were concentrated in the Market Street, SOMA and Union Square areas.

"Explosives"...by which they undoubtedly mean "firecrackers"...I heard some go off last night...frequently hear them around here when a big sports game gets a win...


10:58 p.m. Oakland Police officers kneel with protesters: The Oakland Police Department reposted a Twitter video of multiple officers taking a knee while facing a group of kneeling protesters Sunday night. Oakland police added the following statement: “We stand with our community in denouncing all incidents of police brutality. We stand with all in our community who have traditionally been marginalized, oppressed, and who have been harmed by our systems and institutions.”

No word on whether those were *black* police officers...Oakland is 26% black.

Back to the next episode of "Devils"...

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 7:39 utc | 187

Posted by: S | Jun 1 2020 5:46 utc | 176

The New York Times:

1930: “World Negro Rising Said to Be Soviet Aim”

https://www.nytimes.com/1930/08/21/archives/world-negro-rising-said-to-be-soviet-aim-riga-reports-propaganda-be.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZUECXlWsAYap3_.jpg


2020: "Russia Trying to Stoke U.S. Racial Tensions Before Election, Officials Say"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/politics/russian-interference-race.html

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 7:52 utc | 188

TNI editor Jacob Heilbrunn interviews Russian deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov about the New START Treaty and the state of U.S.-Russia relations:

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/russian-deputy-foreign-minister-sergei-ryabkov-“we-have-no-trust-no-confidence-whatsoever”

Heilbrunn: Do you feel the American stance toward Russia is inadvertently helping to promote a Russia-China rapprochement that is actually not in Washington’s interest?

Ryabkov: We don’t think we can operate on the premise that because of some pressure or some external impact on us, something happens in terms of the evolution of priorities or approaches to China or to anyone else. We don’t believe the U.S. in its current shape is a counterpart that is reliable, so we have no confidence, no trust whatsoever. So our own calculations and conclusions are less related to what America is doing than to many, many other things. And we cherish our close and friendly relations with China. We do regard this as a comprehensive strategic partnership in different areas, and we intend to develop it further.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZXzg57XQAMY_8a.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZX0WZlXsAAPht-.png

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 8:16 utc | 189

Kliph Nesteroff @ClassicShowbiz
https://twitter.com/ClassicShowbiz/status/1266853299988332549

1966 - The John Birch Society, cofounded by the Koch Brothers' father, premiered their film Anarchy USA in Minneapolis. The film sought to prove that "Blacks' discontent" was part of a Communist conspiracy to destroy America.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZTEAYiXsAAZRka.jpg

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 8:19 utc | 190

https://johnhelmer.net/russian-death-to-duck-reporters-of-the-new-york-times-ordered-to-lie-about-russian-role-in-american-police-violence-by-seven-government-officials/

Just over a year ago, five New York Times reporters published lies about the dead ducks they were told had been killed by Russian assassins running amok in the English town of Salisbury with a poison they called Novichok. This was a lie which came from the deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Gina Haspel. She told her lie to President Donald Trump, who promoted her to head the CIA a few days later. She then handed the lie to the reporters to print as proof of how much the President trusted her.

Two of the reporters, called Julian Barnes (lead image, centre) and Adam Goldman (right), refused to explain, retract or apologise for repeating Haspel’s lie as if it was the truth. They stuck to the lie even after the Salisbury authorities announced there had been no dead ducks. Instead, after three weeks of what Barnes called “research”, Haspel told them to print that she had shown Trump “pictures illustrating the consequences of nerve agent attacks, not images specific to the chemical attack in Britain”. That was a correction of the photographs, not of the lies which Haspel had told Trump, and the reporters continued to repeat.

Barnes and Goldman have now repeated more lies, this time about police violence against blacks in the US. The lies are occurring because “the Russian government has stepped up efforts to inflame racial tensions in the United States as part of its bid to influence November’s presidential election.” This time Barnes and Goldman repeat the lying because “seven American officials briefed on recent intelligence” told them to say so. The seven told the two to print that on March 10. Now look what has happened.

https://johnhelmer.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2389.jpg

Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 8:25 utc | 191

Now we're talking...


1:13 a.m. Shots fired at Oakland Police headquarters: The Oakland Police Department reported shots were fired at the department’s administration building at 7th Street and Broadway just after midnight. No injuries were reported in the shooting, according to a department Twitter post. Three people have been detained in connection with the shooting in the 1900 block of San Pablo Avenue, according to police.

Well, maybe not...they didn't hit anyone. If you're going to snipe, be a sniper. And then don't bloody get caught.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2020 8:37 utc | 192

My takeaway from this weeks overview is that Drosten does not know Star Wars or The Lord of the Rings.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jun 1 2020 9:56 utc | 193

@Posted by: Mao | Jun 1 2020 8:19 utc | 189

Yeah...more on these sagas...May be you did not know, but this is nit innocent happening...and Trump and his palmeros point just to the victims to blame, as they do with the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, and so on...It seems even ritual, as those sick people do everything, the coincidence in the date...

Working Class History @wrkclasshistory #OtD 31 May 1927 Donald Trump's father Fred Trump was arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Queens, NY. Despite Donald Trump denying it happened, multiple newspapers reported it, giving Fred Trump's address and reporting that all of those arrested were wearing KKK robes.

https://twitter.com/wrkclasshistory/status/1267209540921065474

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 10:33 utc | 194

Blaming the victim through decades, almost a century, of abuse...until the victims say it is enough..

https://twitter.com/ActualidadRT/status/1267351674869424133

I fear for all those comrades in the US, most of them very young, I fear many people will die, but this has no aspect to calm down even with harsh repression, simply, Trump stired it up so much, his racism, leaving unaccountable and even praising the white supremacists when abusing minorities, and not having enough he has no best occurrence than declaring antifascists as terrorist...He willingly opened the box of thunders, that is easy....the difficult is to colse it again...No wonder he is already in a bunker...as the coward he is...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 10:47 utc | 195

circe #170


re the Bernie Sanders twitter site:

This post by danielle silverstone says it all

Joseph R. Biden is the reason the police have this much power. He pushed for the militarization of the police, mass incarceration, and mandatory minimums. Joe Biden is the architect of the Police State.

#ReplaceBiden #DefundThePolice #BlackLivesMatter

and the next by Orthodoxy4Life nails it!

Yeah, but they’re good friends. Bernie ain’t doing anything.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2020 11:05 utc | 196

Comrades, support from the people of the world, you are not alone....health and strength...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1267350471376846848

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1267347330518450176

Anyway, something continue to smell of fish here...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1267252922771005445

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1267246358861414400

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 11:30 utc | 197

Fishy or not fishy, this is a lot of people who have come out for multiple grievances accumulated through so many years....scene resembling old film ...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1267237749557469184

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 11:38 utc | 198

Fishy, fishy, this is not Soros or "Antifa", as he affirms Pat Lang....

Minnesota Department of Security Commissioner Harrington has admitted that following the identification of those arrested, an investigation is underway of white nationalist groups that are encouraging their members via the internet to use the protests to create chaos.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1267159086094848001

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 11:52 utc | 199

Statements and communiquee by Chinese Mission to the UN on "Attempts by the US and the UK to Push for Security Council Discussion on National Security Legislation for HKSAR":

https://twitter.com/Chinamission2un/status/1266530232569335811

Meanwhile, Donald Trump's National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien says Iran, China and "other foreign adversaries" are trying to "get a profit from the protests in the United States by taking advantage of the violence" and that "they will not let them get away with theirs for free".

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1267225771757711364

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Jun 1 2020 12:02 utc | 200

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