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May 31, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-43

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

American Spring:

Tanya Kerssen @tkerssen - 2:37 UTC · May 31, 2020
Share widely: National guard and MPD sweeping our residential street. Shooting paint canisters at us on our own front porch. Yelling “light em up” #JusticeForGeorgeFloyd #JusticeForGeorge #BlackLivesMatter --> video
Elizabeth Murray @elizabethmurra - 4:33 UTC · May 31, 2020
'Light 'em up - light 'em all up' -- the EXACT phrase used as a kill order in the US Army's Apache helicopter attack on Iraqi civilians in the 'Collateral Murder' video released by @wikileaks - with no accountability, it has all come home.

In the 'collateral murder' incident U.S. troops killed a Reuters photographer.

From last night there are more than two dozen reports of direct police attacks on well identified media. Police are shooting with pepper balls, rubber bullets and tear gas directly at camera teams. The rubber bullets are aimed at the head. One photographer lost her eye. There were at least three arrests of legitimate reporters who held up their press cards. In the other direction a Foxnew camera team was attacked by protesters.

One wonder what the police hope to gain from this strategy.

Other issues:


George Galloway @georgegalloway - 15:00 UTC · May 29, 2020
EXCLUSIVE | The Podesta files were leaked, not hacked. #Russiagate #USPolitics #HillaryClinton WATCH THIS:


Dominic Gates @dominicgates - 19:46 UTC · May 27, 2020
On the day when Boeing announces 12,000 U.S. job cuts, the company's president in India touts Boeing's new $200M engineering and technology campus going up in Bengaluru.

Boeing’s India operations to be largest outside US via @timesofindia


The FSA War Criminal and the CIA Asset Inside Islamic State - Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi


Kino Klassika provides old Russian/Soviet films and TV series with English subtitles
Tip: RED FRONT - 75 Years of Russian War Cinema - Kinoklassika


The Pillage of India - NYRB

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on May 31, 2020 at 14:06 UTC | Permalink

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US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi once called the violent protests in Hong Kong "a beautiful sight to behold." Now, the "beautiful sight" is extending from Hong Kong to over a dozen US states. US politicians now can enjoy this sight from their own windows. Quite a few places across the US are witnessing protesters setting police stations on fire, smashing shops, blocking roads, attacking places and destroying various public facilities, as if the radical rioters in Hong Kong somehow snuck into the US and created a mess like they did last year in Hong Kong.

A quick question for Pelosi and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo: Should the Chinese government and National People's Congress issue a statement to support the protests by African-Americans and the grassroots of US society? It seems to be what Beijing should do according to the logic of Washington cheering for the rioters in Hong Kong. Otherwise, if China does not support the protests in the US, how could the latter keep playing its Hong Kong card? After all, US President Donald Trump just announced Friday to impose sanctions against China over Hong Kong affairs.

Posted by: Mao | May 31 2020 14:15 utc | 1

From unemployment to oil, here are 20 charts that show how the coronavirus is changing our behavior:

Posted by: Mao | May 31 2020 14:24 utc | 2

The coronavirus may have arrived in Europe as early as November last year, French scientists have revealed.

Dr. Michel Schmitt, from Albert Schweitzer Hospital in Colmar, northeastern France, and his team of researchers examined thousands of chest X-rays from late 2019 and were able to identify two scans that were 'consistent' with the symptoms of Covid-19.

The scans, which were identified between November 16 and November 18, now cast a new light on when the coronavirus crisis first hit Europe as scientists continue their search for 'patient zero'.

The scans, which were obtained by NBC News, were among almost 2,500 X-rays that Mr Schmitt's team analysed and show the virus was in the country before its first reported case on January 24.

Posted by: Mao | May 31 2020 14:42 utc | 3

Racism first developed as a strategy of labor control.

Slavery was multiracial in the early colonies.

There were both white and black slaves, and white and black free people.

Racism became a strategy of control by the planter class after joint rebellions of black and white slaves.

White servitude was relaxed, white privileges were granted, and black bondage was intensified.

It wasn't because of some preexisting racism.

Plantation capitalism created racism.

Posted by: | May 31 2020 14:50 utc | 4

George Galloway is likely correct as he does have excellent sources. Also on the virus news I guess there will be a lot of mansplaining coming up as the national responses are compared. New Zealand has nailed it with direct and resolute action as has China, Thailand and others. Some not so clever.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 31 2020 15:02 utc | 5

"One wonder what the police hope to gain from this strategy."
The same as the french police i guess... To keep cameras/press away and hinder documentation of antifa/blm/police etc violence against citizens of the country.

Posted by: Per/Norway | May 31 2020 15:07 utc | 6

One wonder what the police hopes to gain from this strategy.

The same as in Iraq, eliminate any possibility of any incriminating graphic testimony, by professional or citizen journalism, of excesses, or just direct crimes, commited by Law Enforcement Forces or military on behalf of the current regime or worst coming...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 15:13 utc | 7


It's shocking to see such opinion piece in the NYT:

The ‘Liberal World Order’ Was Built With Blood: As the United States reckons with its decline, it should understand where its power came from in the first place


Who said the Japanese didn't play dirty?

Japan's low official jobless rate conceals deeper pain in its labor market: think tank estimates real rate is more than 11%

Capitalism always prevails: everything else is either a prop up or an obstacle. An obstacle is expected to be either ignored or destroyed. In this context, there's only so much Asian hive mind culture (fascism) can do.

Oh, and wages are also at historical lows. The Phillips Curve is a farce, neoclassical theory is a fraud, keynesianism is a fraud.


This is the real face of the Hongkonger "protesters":

Hongkongers renew their rush for foreign property and passports

Behaving like a third grade Latin American oligarch-dictator, Hongkongers are fleeing in desperation to a capitalist center with their proverbial bags of gold. The image of Fulgencio Batista immediately comes to mind.

P.S.: The British should warn them that slave servants from Indonesia and the Philippines are not allowed in their country. Must avoid buyer's remorse and all that.

P.S.2: If those 3 million rich Hongkongers indeed get permanent visas in the UK, then the British working class must prepare for another housing market boom in London, as they will buy up and prop up housing and rent prices even more. What can I say, it's just what oligarchies of the 21st Century do nowadays.

P.S.3: At least Canadians from Vancouver and Australians can relax, as a new horde of rich Hongkongers ("Chinese") is averted. The UK has took one for the Commonwealth.


'D10' 5G club an outdated idea with Cold War mind-set

As time passes, I'm more of the opinion that First Worlders should begin to read Chinese media to get well informed about their own countries.


On other unimportant news, some rogue billionaire managed to send two American astronauts to the ISS. After almost a decade. After the USG giving them all the clues and technology for free. After a partnership with (an already decadent) NASA. After billions and billions of USDs thrown at the garbage bin.

But hey, a toast to the always efficient and rational private sector.

Meanwhile, Boeing also seems to be investing some USD 100 million more on its non-reusable, unmanned rocket for a launch next year.

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 15:16 utc | 8

Boeing has been the first multinational corporation in being bailed out through the then continue outsourcing jobs...

In some European countries, corporations who do not pay taxes in the country but avoid them through tax havens along with those firing people, were declared as not electable to be rescued by tax payers money....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 15:22 utc | 9

Paul Jay is back and teams up with Michael Hudson in an interview about the implications of the current economic lockdown. Similar to to the interview which Karlof1 has posted earlier this week, but more in depth.
Hudson, at one point, gives the prediction how public pension funds will be raided next to kick the can further down the road.
Other topics include why China is more apt to restart their economy and more questions in regard to geopolitics.

Pretty good stuff.

Posted by: vato | May 31 2020 15:30 utc | 10 #4
There was a thriving trade in white slaves in North Africa from the 1600s to the 1800s. Pirates would capture ships and ransom cargo and people - keeping the people as slaves in the meantime. This is one reason for the "shores of Tripoli" line in the US Marine Corps anthem.
It is why there are still some buildings with fancy Delft (Dutch) tile in Tunisia and Morocco today - built with ransom money.
Even before that - Roman debt slavery/latifundium were mostly Europeans.

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:33 utc | 11

New Zealand coronavirus:

NZ has almost 10x more sheep than people; it is low density; it is isolated.


Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:39 utc | 12

Color me shocked /sarc
Many advances in AI are illusory (Science mag)

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:40 utc | 13

thanks for the links and insights b... when are they going to arrest the other 3 cops for george floyds murder? when's that happening? they are accomplices or more..

Posted by: james | May 31 2020 15:42 utc | 14

Skimmed the previous thread about racism and the murder of one black man (which I deplore..) Nor is US ‘racism’ or ‘cop violence’ to be dismissed.

However, the huge no. of comments and media storm are a sign of grabbing onto traditional issues and memes promulgated mostly by part of the political spectrum in cahoots with the MSM.

Condemnation of Racism, the 101 of identity politics, used in many different ways, is an emotional smoke-screen for any other analytic eye, be it based on ‘class’ - in a way old-hat, more later maybe, difficult point - economic, anthropological, ecological, type of view, analysis.

Blame and finger-pointing do not contribute to a happier, better world, unless they are followed up with some collective agreed-upon action - might be forgiveness, with / or helping the deviants to change, even prayer and pardon; or stiff prison sentences, or hanging in the public square. First of all, of course, not much mentioned, is, institutional changes are needed. (E.g. reviewing Police mandate, Pay, actions, etc.)

The PTB often prefer to let indeterminate and rumbling violence fester and on occasion explode, that serves chaos and their ‘power’ - until it gets out of hand.

What is germane for the US now is that Central Power (Fed, Presidential) is slipping in many ways. While it can be recovered sometimes, the COV19 crisis presents a new situation that many don’t acknowlege, the present social economic landscape is unprecedented.

Posted by: Noirette | May 31 2020 15:44 utc | 15

Absolutely horrible images coming out now, mobs have taken over, this is horrible.

Army will come quicker than people anticipate I believe.

Posted by: Zanon | May 31 2020 15:59 utc | 16

“Pax americana”, Renau (1962).

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 16:18 utc | 17

Some "analysts", like Daniel Estulin, are saying that because some protesters exhibit the sign of the fist up, they are directed by Soros several otilooks for color revolutions abroad...

Beware of this intends of discrediting any intend of organization by leftist and human rights activists by Trumpist forces. The fist up is a legendary sign of the historical left...and of black people liberation movements like the Black Panters...then hijacked by the state apparatus and forces of reaction so as to disband the left and provoke untrust towards these political workers organizations amongst the people:

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 16:26 utc | 18

Who said this is anarchic mayhem and thay they have no leaders?

Here activist Tamika Mallory setting the record straight:

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 16:31 utc | 19


Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 16:37 utc | 20

Eventhough the regime infiltrators, this really seems a popular spontaneous movement, just the people was fed up:

It is goood that this happened now, since the regime, or the usurpers of the regime, will have to think a formula to get all those citizens into their homes and willingly accept an status quo...

A certain share and redistribution of wealth seems to be implied, but will that be enough?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 16:44 utc | 21

H.Schmatz | May31 16:31 @ 18

Powerful speech. A must see.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 31 2020 16:48 utc | 22

My first comment is to thank b for the National Review piece asking why the policeman who caused George Floyd to die was not immediately arrested. For those who are having difficulty viewing this link, I suggest you take the heading to your search engine and find it separately. I had that difficulty still but was able to remove offending popups. And I would add that the other three policemen ought to have been also immediately indicted as accessories. If government hadn't wanted riots (and it increasingly appears that they did) the appropriate action would have been this immediate action.

Here's an impeachable offence, Democrats. Of course, you won't impeach on these grounds, but you should!

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 16:48 utc | 23

@ Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 16:44 utc | 20

Every revolt of significant proportions has its spontaneous element and its fabricated (infiltrated) element. That's not what defines a color revolution.

What defines a color revolution is the fabricated element trying to establish LoCs (Lines of Communications) with a foreign (sponsor) State. The establishment of LoC is necessary as the first step for installing a Command Center (CC) which is the intermediary step to establish a parallel government (which will then be recognized by the sponsor State and become the real government).

Take Hong Kong as an example: the protesters already had a substantial fabricated element with direct financial support from American NGOs and financial and legal support from the American embassy. They clearly had the equipment necessary to sustain chaos for years even. When the CCP successfully suffocated the protesters, a desperate attempt of establishing an LoC was made by an American destroyer, which tried to enter the HK port. This was easily denied by the PLAN and after that the protests immediately begun to wither. This was a clear color revolution attempt.

That's not what we're witnessing in the USA right now. Even if there is billionaire NGO interference (and I'm sure there is), it doesn't fit the pattern of a color revolution. It seems they are more likely trying to infiltrate the riots in order to destroy them from within by discrediting them (divide et impera). They are trying to save the USA, not destroy it. Even the ones who are seeking to fuel the riots are not yet equipping the rioters with proper military equipment as would be the case of a classic color revolution, but with more rudimentary resources such as bricks. This is probably aimed at just hurting Donald Trump in the November elections, not at destroying the social fabric of the USA.

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 17:10 utc | 24

@Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 17:10 utc | 23

Agree, but you see how Tamika Mallory is stating who are behind the arsons.

Anyway there is a coordinated effort by the far-right white supremacist upper middle class and their blogs to discredit these legitimate protests.

To debunk a poster at SST stating that the behavior exhibed by Chauvin is an isolated case in the police departments, well, we all know that is simply a lie, no other way these protest of such scale could happen in that case, anyway some graphic document as there they will not be posted ever....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 17:21 utc | 25

@ Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 17:21 utc | 24

But this can be easily explained by imperial chamber politics: a struggle between many forces within the empire to determine who's going to be the successor.

Remember: before Vespasian, there were Galba, Otho and Vitellius; and before Severus there were Pertinax, Didius Iulianus, Clodius Albinus & Pescennius Niger. Just because you're an empire doesn't mean everything must and will run smoothly. Donald Trump is simply seen as a very weak emperor (POTUS), so it is only natural many contenders arise.

Speaking of empire, there are now protests in the UK and Canada, in support for the rioters. This is strong evidence the USA is indeed an empire, as a domestic issue in the USA is treated like a domestic issue in Canada and England. Those nations, after all, know their own prosperity and prestige lies exclusively on the USA; if the USA falls they will fall with it.

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 17:42 utc | 26

@ vk 23

You are completely wrong, of course.

What is happening now is the exact same thing as Hong Kong.

In any given instance of mass revolt, you have two warring factions, usually funded at the top by diametrically opposed elites.

In Hong Kong, it is western, old-guard/money versus Chinese, new-guard internationalists.

In America, we have the old-guard/money represented currently by the DJT-phenomenon, meaning Anti-globalist nationalists, and, on the other side, you have new-money internationalists and neolibs represented by billionaires, big-tech, the democratic party and garden-variety globalists.

Look at the degree of organization (or lack thereof) which was able to politically assassinate Gen. Flynn! You had the dem establishment and billionaires like the Clintons, Obama-faction sycophants all the way up to the top.

You think that this event is entirely grassroots?

Give me a f ucking break, vk. You are such a blatantly obvious Chinese shill, no doubt probably employed by globalist entities, that the fact you are unable to employ an effective and probable analysis on these current "protests" reaffirm to me exactly what you are and what you stand for.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 17:45 utc | 27

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 17:45 utc | 26

You could also have the same oligarchs funding both sides in a divide and conquer strategy. This is a common strategy that has been used in Turkey among others in the runup to the 1980 coup. It was also used by the US and Israel in their funding of both sides in the Iran/Iraq war in the 80s.

In the former it was used to ramp up violence to justify a military coup. That is very probable here, except that martial law might be the objective. Similar to the Iran/Iraq, the stoking of violence between liberals and conservatives may simply be to wear them out for when the economy truly tanks to justify in the minds of the sheeple a greater oppression of demonstrations in future.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 17:55 utc | 28

Do Mr. Trump will designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization:

Could this really means he first shot of the civil war 2.0?

Posted by: DFC | May 31 2020 17:57 utc | 29

@22 Juliania

I don't know if you realize it, but what you are advocating for is mob-rule and justice that usually found its end in days gone bye with a lynching.

I suppose if you feel that because you have to wait more than a week for justice-served then the whole system needs to be destroyed on the spot. I don't think you believe this. So why are you advocating for such expedient justice when body-cam footage has yet to be released, etc.?

In America, I'm not sure if it is the same as New Zealand, we have "innocence before proven guilty." Usually this process takes a little while. And before that, you need a warrant for arrest which usually takes the DA's office a little while to parse the data available and decide who is arrestable.

In this case, we have a coroner that claims that suffocation was not the cause of death, too.

I know it is not politically popular to wait for the scales of justice to measure appropriately, but, in this case, I am sort of disheartened that the mayor and governor in Minnesota seem to be acting according to political pressure.

The good news is is that events like this reveal your mettle and I don't think the mayor or governor will be reelected. One would hope, anyway.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 17:57 utc | 30

US is becoming like Israel even more. Considering same people rule both countries, and same people train cops in both of them, is it surprising 99%-ers in US are becoming treated like Palestinians?

Posted by: Abe | May 31 2020 18:05 utc | 31

Posted by: DFC | May 31 2020 17:57 utc | 28

Trump has proven to be a useful idiot whether he is aware of it or not.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 18:05 utc | 32

@ 27 Blue Dotterel

Yes, this would be jackrabbit's leitmotif which he has peddled here for a good while now.

Again, the proof is in looking in your heart and asking yourself whether or not HRC would commit herself to such an embarrassing loss during 2016 prez election. Knowing who HRC is and what she stands for, it is not hard for me anyway to decide that her loss was not intentional and it stung bad.

Another is the political assassination of Gen. Flynn. There was indeed a coordinated conspiracy to find a scapegoat to prevent the shifting from a pro-China/anti-Russia policy to a pro-Russia/China-as-actual-competitor policy under a DJT presidency.

If you think none of the above carry any weight and you could play a game of shuttlecock with them not caring which is brought forth, then you might think along Jackrabbit's lines that the DJT-phenomenon is complete bullshit.

I would argue that the line that DJT is some working-class hero is probably bullshit, but when it comes to two warring factions of elites fighting over the direction of America, the struggle right now is very real.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:08 utc | 33

The constant Western establishment news media narrative for the US/UK-sponsored unrest in Hong Kong, China has been of "peaceful protesters", (turning a blind eye to the months of violence and destruction by umbrella-toting thugs), "pro-democracy protests", "pro-democracy activists", "harsh authoritarian crackdown", "brutal police crackdown", "civil liberties threatened".

If they applied the same standards, what's happening in the US would be widely characterized in the media as "peaceful protesters", "pro-justice protesters", "pro-justice activists", "harsh authoritarian crackdown", "brutal police crackdown", "civil liberties threatened".

Speaking of "harsh authoritarian crackdown" and "civil liberties threatened", thanks to MoA we see that the United States National Guard, that is, the US military, now goes down quiet residential streets in a demonstration of authoritarian power attacking American citizens standing peacefully on their front porches. Imagine the loud, concerted Western establishment political and media howls of outrage if anything remotely close to that had happened in Hong Kong, China instead?

I'm wondering if the establishment news in Canada will even show this clip or report on this at all. They most certainly would if it had happened in Hong Kong, China - most probably with extended focus and pundit analysis to criticize the harsh authoritarian crackdown. But because this is happening in "The Land of the Free", they'll probably leave it unreported.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | May 31 2020 18:09 utc | 34

Apparently, the commentator named Robert, who I'd never encountered before, took offense at Cornell West's accurate analysis of the Outlaw US Empire as a "failed social experiment." Well, this report and many others confirm beyond doubt Mr. West's words. The doctrine being displayed is amply visible in the militarized police's behavior, and it's not that of the society that's premised on the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. The War being waged isn't between two groups primarily Civil in their nature meaning they're composed of the Citizenry; rather, the War being waged has existed for a very long time and is all about Class, as in the Upper Class and its hired guns waging War on all lower classes of civilians. That's what's happening! The long downtrodden classes are finally rising and attempting to perform a counter-attack against the forces that have oppressed them for many decades. And if any group's to be labeled Terrorist, it's the forces of the State and the Parasitic Class they're hired to protect.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2020 18:09 utc | 35

@ kjarlof1... a user figured out robert was a troll.. i was a bit slower on the uptake... a pleasant enough troll, but a troll non the less..

Posted by: james | May 31 2020 18:20 utc | 36

@Posted by: DFC | May 31 2020 17:57 utc | 28

That was asked by Pat Lang yesterday.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 18:20 utc | 37

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:08 utc | 32

I did not say anything about the DJT phenomnon, did I? We know why he was popular among a certain segment of society. But obviously, the oligarchs have all benefitted from his presidency as much as they would have under Clinton's. That is the factual "bottom line". DJT is really not doing anything different in general than a Clinton presidency would have done. Or frankly the Obama and Bush or the earlier Clinton regimes. It is the same party in power! A lot of USains really cannot seem to see the forest for the trees.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 18:20 utc | 38

..”One wonder what the police hope to gain from this strategy.”...I wonder what these “protesters” hope to gain. They beat a man almost to death, just for protecting his property. A truck driver unfortunately ran over one protester, after he panicked because one pulled a weapon to his passenger side window, while others were stealing packages from the trailer. They destroyed a property that was to be a site for affordable housing. What good is that now? Stupidity reigns supreme in my opinion, by these protesters. Yes, a man was killed by a police officer, who should be brought to justice. But to just destroy everything in your path that has nothing to do with the original grievance, is just wrong. So to me, it looks like both sides are cut from the same cloth.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | May 31 2020 18:21 utc | 39

@ 38 jose garcia... what you refer to as the original grievance, is just a trigger for a whole other list of grievances that have had a lid kept on them until now.. maybe they can put the lid back on shortly... we'll see...

Posted by: james | May 31 2020 18:33 utc | 40

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 17:57 utc | 29
what the coroner says has no importance.I think must be hard living in cognitive dissonance so that a brain can think that the man died for natural causes..It must be hard for rural yanks to make peace with their minds,to find a way to judge and spit on black people again..but that's it,if the police is racist and act in racist way are not the black to be blamed..DJT working class hero?never heard of a racist zionist being friend of working class..

Posted by: LuBa | May 31 2020 18:35 utc | 41

@40 LuBa

I see you are in the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" camp. Very well.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:37 utc | 42

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 17:45 utc | 26

What you talk is pure nonsense because those "neoliberals/globalists" you talk about are all Americans. More importantly, they don't seek to change how the USA works, only who will operate the machine.

Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't American. Of course you would love to posit your enemy as a foreign threat, but reality is cruel and has precedent over what you think should be.

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 18:40 utc | 43

@37 Blue Dotterel

You didn't have to mention DJT for the content of your post to be indirectly attributed to him.

Yes, DJT has accomplished very little and other than pivoting our whole foreign policy and trade agreements to a more nationalist mindset and away from China, he is exactly like any other elite!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:40 utc | 44

@42 vk

When have I ever mentioned that these anational elites could never have "United States" stamped on their birth certificate under country?

You are grasping at straws, my friend.

Fuck the anational elites the world over, I say, especially the hyper-capitalist ones in the U.S.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:43 utc | 45

@ Canadian Cents 33

I ,for one ,find Canadian MSM unreadable, and unwatchable. Doesn't seem to bother most here though. As someone once said, headlines are for the multitudes, the retractions for the typesetters only. It appears that a lot of people here in Canada find the headlines provide them with enough information.Doesn't make it any less troubling though.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | May 31 2020 18:45 utc | 46

Re: the Slate article and the police violence in response to protests against police violence... what to say, it doesn't get much dumber really.

As shocking and disgusting as it is to see, for once the world and Americans can see the result of their soldiers' and police recruitment and training put to effect on their own population, instead of Middle Eastern, Central Asian et al. populations. Just imagine what they have had to endure, if that is how their own civilians are treated in front of a camera, for all to see, in 2020.

I think there is something seriously wrong with some Americans' brains, it is like they are incapable of reading a situation and interact with fellow human beings with even the most basic emotional intelligence or empathy, let alone strategic foresight.

This will take generations and a lot more bloodshed before it can change, especially when self perception, introspection and humility are not the country's strongest suits either.

The great Prof. Johan Galtung had predicted the collapse of the USA in 2020... it seems Covid19 and some dumb cops may have chipped in to prove him right just in time:

Posted by: Et Tu | May 31 2020 18:48 utc | 47

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:43 utc | 44

Except for the fact that the concept of anationalist patriotism is an American invention: Americans are the only nationality in the world that have an idealist concept of their own nation.

USA, for most Americans, is an idea, not the literal territory. America only ends where an American can imagine. That's why American nationalism is so virulent and aggressive.

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 18:48 utc | 48

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:40 utc | 43

"he (DJT) is exactly like any other elite!"

Bravo! And, of course, he is working for and with the oligarchs to increase their wealth and power relative to the rest of us. This has been done before.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 18:51 utc | 49

Designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization is more than just stupid. It's dumb because Antifa is not an organization but mainly a very informal network of punk teenagers who get together at big protests to break a few windows in the name of anti capitalism. Nothing serious in that regard.

The more sinister dimension is that Antifa as a protest tactic is used to remove fascists from public spaces.

That is what Trump is worried about, and that is why this is more than civil war 2.0.

It's about class struggle in the streets. Trump is using the coercive branches of the state to try to tip the balance of forces in public spaces in favor of the far right.

This is not about race and racism per se and it is not civil war 2.0.

Race and racism are merely social forms through which the American class war has been mediated.

It's the threat of class war that is moving Trump's hand.

We are entering unprecedented political territory.

Posted by: Prof K | May 31 2020 18:55 utc | 50

LuBa, Nemesis

A comment on a previous thread by marquessa theressa explained that the trauma George Floyd suffered at the hands of the police could've caused him to die of heart attack instead of asphyxiation.

To everyone except those who want to excuse the white establishment and police thuggery:

  • it's clear from the video that George Floyd was murdered by the police;
  • it's clear that ALL of the officers should be charged and arrested immediately - not doing so is just prompting enraged citizens to riot.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 31 2020 19:02 utc | 51

posted by: Prof K | May 31 2020 18:55 utc | 49

I suspect that the advantage of designating "antifa" as a terrorist organization is that anyone can be declared a member of "antifa" whenever deemed expedient. It can all be based on vague actions committed by the individual that point to him/her being a member.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | May 31 2020 19:02 utc | 52

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 18:48 utc | 47

USA, for most Americans, is an idea, not the literal territory. America only ends where an American can imagine. That's why American nationalism is so virulent and aggressive.

That is not nationalism but imperialism. All empires think that way.

Posted by: hopehely | May 31 2020 19:07 utc | 53

I decided to move my comment here since the conversation seems to have moved to this thread

I doubt these protests/riots will lead to any positive reforms, Trump already announced that he will declare Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and Barr is now equating rioting with terrorism (that's huge F*ing stretch there Barr). The US now looks set to bring the foreign oppression home rather than give an inch to the domestic policy demands of the protestors. I suspect the following will now happen

1. the arrested police officers will be tried and eventually acquitted after a long series of trials and appeals
2. Anti-Terrorist legislation will be used against the protestors, this will be appealed to the supreme court which will uphold the convictions
3. Anti-Terrorist legislation will now be regularity used against protestors long after Trump leaves office (either in 2021 or 2025, it doesn't matter). Even if a Democrat replaces Trump the obvious political benefits of using Anti-terrorist legislation against political rivals (both within the party and in the opposing party) will be too intoxicating to reject
4. Since no established party is willing to make even token concessions to protestors over even the most blatant crimes committed against the people. Social tension will continue to rise and violent protests and popular riots will become a regular feature of American life as political reforms are impossible
5. Beset by constant protests, riots, declining tax revenues and skyrocketing prison costs, state governments will make more use of pardons and discretionary prosecutions to try and buy off protestors without agreeing to meaningful reform. This will not work and people will become normalized to riots followed by amnesties.
6. The US will continue to become ungovernable

The next 10 years will be a sh*tshow of incredible magnitude, imagine a lawnsprikler system connected to a septic tank. Prepare for a show to remember!

Posted by: Kadath | May 31 2020 19:08 utc | 54

Color me shocked /sarc
Many advances in AI are illusory (Science mag)

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 15:40 utc | 13

Sometime between the 80s and today, the definition of AI got downgraded from human-equivalent-consciousness to adavanced-script / data-mining. Whenever I read AI somewhere it is never even close to the right ballpark... and I just can’t put my finger on how deliberate or natural the bastardisation of the word / idea is?

Posted by: Rae | May 31 2020 19:12 utc | 55

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 18:37 utc | 41

Probably because I am not a sophisticated mind I know it.anyway DJT has built his electoral force just with the image of anti-establishment dude..against "deep powers" ,he created a narrative of the dark plot working behind him.then he mixed this with a good dose of iso-nazionalism and he knew well that a lot of white sheeps were with him..but I don't think those sheeps live better now..a MAGA hat is not good to eat at lunch.Neoliberism is always the same even in different forms it's always the same shit.

Posted by: LuBa | May 31 2020 19:13 utc | 56

Nemisis Calling @ 29, no, I am not doing what you claim. Arrest is not conviction, and it ought to have been speedily done, just as a virus crackdown ought to have been speedily done. I have just finished reading the timeline link b provided for the spread of the virus in England. It's long, but I highly recommend it to all, since parts of it I did not realize had happened. I did not see the connection between the inability of hospitals to contain unproven infected elderly patients with those being sent to retirement homes due to inadequate testing at the hospitals. The result being that uninfected retirement homes became repositories for the disease.

In the timeline, (thanks so much, b) here is the earliest US response noted:

26 January 2020: Nassim Taleb and two colleagues publish a note with the New England Complex Systems Institute urging a robust precautionary response to the outbreak. “Policy- and decision-makers must act swiftly and avoid the fallacy that to have an appropriate respect for uncertainty in the face of possible irreversible catastrophe amounts to ‘paranoia,’ or the converse a belief that nothing can be done”, they conclude. (New England Complex Systems Institute)

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 19:15 utc | 57

james @ 35 Me too.

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 19:22 utc | 58

It's about class struggle in the streets. Trump is using the coercive branches of the state to try to tip the balance of forces in public spaces in favor of the far right.

Posted by: Prof K | May 31 2020 18:55 utc | 49

Exactly, by means of the violence caused mainly by inflitrated pro-Trump white supremacists and undercover pro-Trump US Army especialists, he is preparing the terrain for when in November he lose the elections, or even before, when he continues transferring wealth from the masses to the corporations in the middle of widespread poverty and even hunger.

The murder was preplanned to achieve exactly this goal.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 19:23 utc | 59

Posted by: Prof K | May 31 2020 18:55 utc | 49

The more sinister dimension is that Antifa as a protest tactic is used to remove fascists from public spaces.

What fascists? Can you give an example of public spaces occupied by fascists? Who are those fascists that Antifa allegedly is trying to remove?
And moreover, how can you be sure that those American Antifa gangs are not fascists themselves? They move in groups, masked in black, and use violent tactics to harass and intimidate. Exactly the same as fascio di combatimento units in Italy 80 years ago. They look like fascists and behave like fascists. Monkey is what monkey does.

Posted by: hopehely | May 31 2020 19:27 utc | 60

@Digital Spartacus 45

Indeed, I think most people, here in Canada and elsewhere, watch just enough of the news to be able to show that they're on the same wavelength/page as others in their social circles, to remain on par with the rest of the herd in social conversations.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | May 31 2020 19:32 utc | 61

@ 57 juliania - we are both paying too much attention to our garden!!! i just finished mowing the lawn too...

welp, i am glad to now know that protesting in the usa is terrorism.. it was only a matter of time... is trumpdoodle also labelling the white supremacist groups terrorists too, or does that happen later??? why is it taking so long to charge the other 3 cops in george floyds death??? why is that taking so long??

as for the canuck msm - @ 33 cc and @ 45 digital... the canuck msm can only provide reuters and associated press regular feeds... that is about as uncanuck as you can be, but that is mostly all that cbc has to offer, and that is the national publicly supported news in canada for ya... they will describe the hong kong protests the way that reuters and ap tells them and will describe the usa protests as they are told as well...

Posted by: james | May 31 2020 19:35 utc | 62

Posted by: LuBa | May 31 2020 19:13 utc | 55

anyway DJT has built his electoral force just with the image of anti-establishment dude..against "deep powers" ,he created a narrative of the dark plot working behind him.then he mixed this with a good dose of iso-nazionalism and he knew well that a lot of white sheeps were with him..but I don't think those sheeps live better now..a MAGA hat is not good to eat at lunch.

Yeah sure.
Why, oh why the sheep did not pick someone else back in 2016, like Jeb Bush or Ted Kruz, or at least little Marco.
It would be all different now.
Hm, maybe it would be different with Jeb, who knows.
Ah well.

Posted by: hopehely | May 31 2020 19:45 utc | 63

those antifa folks are going to have to rebrand themselves as 'freedom fighters' after they get the terrorist label given them by trump..

Posted by: james | May 31 2020 19:58 utc | 64

i'd be more impressed if he labelled wall st bankers as terrorists, but you know that ain't gonna happen...

those are the career criminals robert was asking about on the previous thread..

Posted by: james | May 31 2020 19:59 utc | 65

Ziofascist Trump threatened he will designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. But what about the KKK? Will Trump designate an organization, near and dear to his heart, terrorist as well?

Police in America are out of control; drunk on power. That's not surprising since they've had training with Israel's Shin Bet and the IDF. So in fact, U.S. police are being trained by one of the most racist, fascist and oppressive security forces on the planet, and their Zionist training is in full display right now. Zionism corrupts democracy and all it touches, and the U.S. corrupt sysytem is proof of that influence.


Yesterday, police vehicles ploughed into a large group of protesters, a woman was brutally pushed backwards onto the concrete by a police thug and she required hospital care, and a female journalist was shot with a rubber bullet in the leg. There are multiple incidents.

It is tone deaf for leaders like Gov. Cuomo to explain he's waiting for the report on these acts of police brutality not to state the obvious! The videos are clear; just like the video of the police thug taking his time to kill a restrained, defenseless human being. These are the acts of barbarians.

It is a mistake to spin narratives about who the rioters are, what organization they are with, and so on when mostly young people are involved in the rioting. Maybe there are some agitators, but I don't believe the protests were hijacked. Young people of different races are demonstrating and rioting. The murder of George Floyd opened the protest up for all who have no voice in a rigged system! Racial injustice is a big problem within the wider context of rampant social injustice suffered by many: black, latino, white, native and others; all trapped in a rigged capitalist system that usurps democracy and the power to make real change.

The fact is that there is oppression, fascism, systemic racism, mass racial incarceration, exploitation of the poor and class and race inequality in America, and all these injustices are now driving these protests on a wider scale.

This unsustainable American Nightmare is the status quo and the riots are the volcanic eruption against the social injustice that could no longer be contained. Action: equal reaction.

Think about this: At least 40 million Americans are unemployed, a majority of them without healthcare, millions of people are dependent on food charity, we are in the middle of a pandemic that claimed the lives of the most vulnerable including targeting a large number of people in poorer black and latino communities because of the density in low income communities and because some who are still employed work in lower-level front line jobs.

In the midst of this heightened tension we were all witnesses to the wilful murder of a helpless cuffed man by 4 fascist thugs. Protests, chaos and riots erupt in multiple cities, and now we are witnessing military and further police oppression inflicted on American citizens. Cities are on fire.

This is not a conspiracy of outside actors, although I don't doubt some of that is occuring. This is the chickens coming home to roost. This is a concerted cry for social and economic justice. Don't deny JUSTICE for anyone of any color. Everyone suffering the oppression is George Floyd, black, latino, white or native American. George Floyd is every man, woman and child under the boot of the rigged system.

Posted by: Circe | May 31 2020 20:00 utc | 66

Antifagate will fail for the same reason Russiagate failed: the protesters know they aren't Antifa, the same way people who voted for Trump know they aren't Russian assets.

This is a big shot on the foot by the Trump administration. It will only erode confidence on the WH even more.

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 20:15 utc | 67

@Et Tu | May 31 2020 18:48 utc | 46

The great Prof. Johan Galtung had predicted the collapse of the USA in 2020... it seems Covid19 and some dumb cops may have chipped in to prove him right just in time:

He explicitly says that he did not predict the collapse of the United States itself like we are seeing, he says he predicts the fall of the United States empire , in the sense that countries like the UK, Denmark and Norway starts to distance themselves from the US and no longer want's to fight its wars like before (Libya).

Posted by: Norwegian | May 31 2020 20:18 utc | 68

All 6 CVS drug stores within a 2 block radius of the SF Financial District vandalized. Windows or door glass broken. Looks like theft as well from merch on floors near entry points. Target in FiDi also hit.
Union Square stores hit as well.

Posted by: c1ue | May 31 2020 20:23 utc | 69

Posted by: vato | May 31 2020 15:30 utc | 10

vato, millions thanks. Stops going to TRNN after Paul Jay and Sharmini Peries were booted out. I'm more interested if Paul Jay has a website similar to TRNN and anyone can help? I'm sure Ben would be interested too!

Posted by: JC | May 31 2020 20:23 utc | 70

Longtime Minneapolis resident observes that despite decades long "progressive" slant to city and state politics, necessary reform of police agencies have always been stymied.

"...ultimately, the only sustained political pressure for police reform and racial equity that Minneapolis has faced comes from its black residents. Clearly, that hasn’t been enough to convince the city’s leadership to use it. Neither, for that matter, has it been enough for Minnesota’s legislators: Since 2015, at least a dozen police reform bills have been introduced, none of which have passed."

This systemic factor is being recognized explicitly across the US this weekend.

Posted by: jayc | May 31 2020 20:24 utc | 71

I just witnessed a video of at least a hundred rioters black, latino and a few white breaking into a store in broad daylight and looting everything their arms could carry. Fact: multiple races involved. No conspiracy.

Are the military and police prepared to arrest thousands of people? How many people can U.S. jails and prisons hold? Get ready then to expand the already largest prison system in the world and feed them all.

The American Dream started to implode the moment Trump became the Chosen of the 1%. How do you like your MAGA now, you redneck Trump bootlicking morons?

Posted by: Circe | May 31 2020 20:25 utc | 73

This riot experience is something I had absolutely no anticipation of. What with all the Covid plague and all. In fact I am suffering a spell of self-insultment over not anticipating it. All the kindling was lying around, just waiting for the spark.

However, what is really very important is that the DGW has betrayed the NRT, and gone over to the side of the ABX. Now the PRP will have to find a new source of FXX.

Posted by: blues | May 31 2020 20:25 utc | 74

Excellent group of articles and some good comments - some a little off the wall, but . . . . Here´s another. To see the disturbances going on around the US makes me sad. People have every right to be unhappy, furious, over the death of Mr. Floyd and all that it represents. Unfortunately it seems that the protests/disturbances will play out as per usual. Violence and mayhem directed at the police, at commercial and public buildings is being met with violence against the protesters. Whether the violence is due to the presence of provocateurs or not is unimportant. It is just street violence. Nothing will change. The violence is being directed at the wrong actors. Racism, police, judicial, financial and political corruption is endemic in the US. It permeates the domestic policy from top to bottom. The same characteristics also permeate US foreign policy. They are two sides of the same coin. As noted in one of the excellent articles above, the conduct of US foreign policy has long relied on military force and assassinations. ¨Drone strikes¨ is a little softer way of putting it, but assassinations have been very effective over the years in controlling, political events. Almost certainly the tactic has been used to control domestic events. It is unlikely, but people may come to see that the real responsible parties for the racism and corruption that led to the death of Mr. Floyd are not the police and the shopkeepers, not even the bought and paid for politicians. To find the real sources of the countries social pathologies we should follow the money. Money has no morality, and the getting of it and keeping it trumps (that word again!) everything else. The nearest thing to responsible parties are the hedge fund managers, the big political contributors, the ¨defense¨ contractors, the financial wizards of Wall Street and their ilk - people who are far away from the protests. Somehow, the behavior of that class of people has to be changed. We will see how the tactics evolve, but often what goes around comes around.

Posted by: c | May 31 2020 20:25 utc | 75

@james 61

Agreed. I would have hoped that having a publicly-funded broadcaster would mean more independent and objective reporting, but CBC News just follows and echoes its American herd leaders (news wires, NYT/WashingtonPost/CNN, etc.) in service to US regime change narratives.

Agree that they should also be charging the other 3 cops who did not try to stop Chauvin (wonder if he's a descendant of the Chauvin from whom the word chauvinism is said to come from) in his several-minutes-long murder/execution of George Floyd, and in fact helped in that murder. It almost seems the establishment would rather have continued riots than uphold law and justice. Will it take several months and changes at the prosecutor level as in the case of Ahmaud Arbery? There are parallels here to the eventual arrest of the third man who helped "to confine and detain" Arbery while the McMichaels murdered him. Isn't that pretty much what those 3 cops did?

Posted by: Canadian Cents | May 31 2020 20:27 utc | 76

Boy these Russians are geniuses of the highest order ... First they put Donald Trump in power and now they're trying to tear the country apart under him by supporting both black lives matter, and white supremacists at the same time. I don't know how these stupid Journos can even imagine this stuff up out of their arses. The sad irony is that these journalists will be the ones when future generations look back who most contributed to the downfall of America ....

Posted by: Maximus | May 31 2020 20:32 utc | 77

Posted by: Mao | May 31 2020 14:15 utc | 1

"US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi once called the violent protests in Hong Kong "a beautiful sight to behold." Now, the "beautiful sight" is extending from Hong Kong to over a dozen US states."

Hope and wishes the riots keep spreading into a full revolution, borrow from HK pro democracy "Liberate USA George Floyd Revolution of Our Times All Demands Not One Less"

Posted by: JC | May 31 2020 20:35 utc | 78

This riots will soon turn into a full-blown revolution. As more people participate, Covid-19 spreads like wildfires. The overloaded healthcare and hosp. jam with sick people. Our Lysol President must send National Guards fully armed to quell the riots and soon into a Revolution or our time...

Bless our president and MAGA

Posted by: JC | May 31 2020 20:46 utc | 79

Posted by: Circe | May 31 2020 20:25 utc | 72

Love what you posted. This is NOT Americans’ dream. There were no American dreams it's made believed like Disneyland. Instead of rebuilding America after the last idiot Trump continues what left behind in Syria, continues took Syrians' oilfields and boasted about it.


Posted by: JC | May 31 2020 21:04 utc | 80

The previous thread comments reported on the violence in San Francisco. I hope RS Hack is okay. As this is an open thread I will answer his kind remarks to me that his atheism does not offend. As the angel said to one of the not-so-well behaving churches from within the Apocalypse, "It is better to be hot or cold than lukewarm."

Also, old hippie and William Gruff had some cogent remarks at the end of the previous thread.

Be safe, Richard.

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 21:06 utc | 81

China, Iran, please condemn this abuse!

Police state

Oh and to the conspiracy theorists: those in the video who are white just want a police beating to make black people look bad, right???

Go fly a kite!

Posted by: Circe | May 31 2020 21:13 utc | 82

@ Posted by: Norwegian | May 31 2020 20:18 utc | 67

No kidding. He also said the US will turn into a military dictatorship.

Are you not paying attention to the squads of goons whose sole desire and focus it to pick a fight with anyone in their way, completely oblivious in the paradox of restoring 'peace' and 'civility' through the very violence the citizenry is out protesting?

Maybe you missed the part where the President suggested shooting protesters, threatened them with vicious dogs, and the police attacked dozens of certified journalists, no doubt emboldened by Trump's long running war on the media. The problem is, a simple minded cop cannot discern between an article written to push a phoney agenda like Russiagate, and a news crew on a street corner simply documenting historical events... he just processed 'the media is the enemy' message from his like-minded fascist leader and enacted revenge the first chance he got.

Bottom line though, it is impossible to effectively run an empire when your country is falling apart. The US is clearly dysfunctional. IMHO it will either 'officially' collapse through further internal divisions, perhaps in a USSR style breakup along already existing regional and partisan lines, a major military blunder (take your pick there) or when the rest of the world finds a suitable alternative to the printing press of the "can't lose" dollar system and force it stop running infinite deficits it has no intention of paying and thus bring back the very troops that have so far been the only actual security for the petrodollar scam running since they ran out of gold with Nixon.

Short term, it will either continue to be run by this incompetent, capricious fool, surrounded by a ruling class completely beholden to corporations who treats its people with contempt, or a senile puppet of the system who will struggle to even grasp what day of the week it is by the end of his term.

Rome was eventually overrun by progressively successful waves of foreigners coming in from the East, but the Empire crumbled from within through its own leaders' depravity, greed and incompetence.

I think there is plenty of that for the world to see already, don't you? Whether it's 2020 or not who cares, the trajectory seems pretty clear to me.

Posted by: Et Tu | May 31 2020 21:23 utc | 83

I'm routinely getting blocked by Cloudflare when attempting to post on MoA. Anyone else have that experience? Any reason why some posts are ok and some are not?

Posted by: Perimetr | May 31 2020 21:24 utc | 84

Re: Maximus | May 31 2020 20:32 utc | 76 you wrote, "Boy these Russians are geniuses of the highest order ... First they put Donald Trump in power and now they're trying to tear the country apart under him by supporting both black lives matter, and white supremacists at the same time. I don't know how these stupid Journos can even imagine this stuff up out of their arses. The sad irony is that these journalists will be the ones when future generations look back who most contributed to the downfall of America ....

Do you really think the journos/presstitutes "imagine this stuff"? They are given scripts to read, they are obeying orders, following directions that come from the official narrative of the deep state and its agencies.

Cloudflare won't let me post the URL, but watch the YouTube video, Sinclair's script for stations

Posted by: Perimetr | May 31 2020 21:27 utc | 85

National Guard deployed ni LA...This is Trump taking over Democrats strongholds to give the impression, after creating this crisis by the pre-planned murder of Chauvin by white supremacist cops in his bust his polls in the lowest after his failure in managing the Covid-19 crisis and creating the current economic and social divert attention from his own failure...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 21:32 utc | 86

Attica!" Screaming like Al Pacino's character, Sonny in the film Dog Day Afternoon, (1975). All the markers look the same.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 31 2020 21:34 utc | 87

To the conspiracy theorists: white girl asks to be kicked in face to make black protests look bad right???

police state

Tell me again how white agitators are hijacking the protest???

It's called solidarity, you morons!

Posted by: Circe | May 31 2020 21:36 utc | 88

juliania speaks the truth rather than hiding behind whatever curtains. I was raised in a christian family and schooled in a mission school. Today I am not afraid to say I refuse to go to heaven even if it exists... too much killing and no one seems to care and speak about it. Not one politician dare to stop the endless killings worldwide including the USA. The presents cradle of freedom, democracy and etc. We can debate what is the truth. Who owned the truth and so on.. Later

SFO is still very dear to me, that's where I first landed years ago. The riots will continue until someone speaks up. They send in fully armed national guards to quell the violent protests here while they the same idiots encourage similarly violently in HK and elsewhere and encourage secession and more.

Posted by: JC | May 31 2020 21:37 utc | 89

All these US people must be terrorists...yeah...

In Spain far-right party Vox has supported Trump, these are the same who are calling "terrorists" those who brought democracy through their fight against fascism.They are acting in whole coordination with the Banonists.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 21:43 utc | 90

Mao #3

re October occurrence of covid-19

Thank you for that post on France determining November infections and the post to the dailymail.

I read the comments in that story:- solid proof of early arrival in October and even august assuming the gestation between infection and symptoms is 5+ days.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 31 2020 21:54 utc | 91

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 31 2020 21:32 utc | 85

"National Guard deployed ni LA...This is Trump taking over Democrats strongholds to give the impression, after creating this....

Hi brother Schmatz... You and many MoA had probably forgotten what our beloved lysol president did after an incident happened.... November 14, 2017 at 5:18 a.m. PST "Trump raised the arrests during a two-day state visit to Beijing, arriving a day after the three freshman players were accused of stealing sunglasses from a Louis Vuitton store next to the team's hotel, according to people familiar with the conversation. Trump asked Xi Jinping to pardon UCLA busketball players in China.

Posted by: JC | May 31 2020 21:56 utc | 92

the language and behavior are the same because the pigs here and the pigs* in the military are the same assholes with the same gear. the same "middle class" and hillbilly trash that couldn't get a real job because they were too busy playing football and banging mary jane rottencrotch to learn math. their idiot dads were gay for john wayne and chuck norris and passed on a nativist dipshit view of the world so they see foreign and domestic "bad guys" through the same pork and PBR-tinted glasses. fat slovenly fucks given a gun. great system.

since they insist on treating non-cop and non-trump types as "insurgents" then maybe we should take a page from the actual insurgent textbook and make a few execution videos. or if we're evil bad guys just like the nazis: give them what they want and march their families into a goddamn oven.

i kid of course. i would never advocate such things outside of a satirical context.

* by using this term i mean no offense to actual pigs who are on average as smart as a human toddler therefore more qualified for a job than most cops. "fat blue target practice" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

again: satire! i kid cuz i love!

Posted by: the pair | May 31 2020 22:05 utc | 93

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 16:48 utc | 22 Here's an impeachable offence, Democrats. Of course, you won't impeach on these grounds, but you should!

You can't impeach a President for the failures of a local police department, local mayor or local state government - or even the FBI, who might have had jurisdiction over Chauvin's actions as a result of some Federal laws against such things.

I mean, the Democrats could try, I wouldn't be surprised, but it wouldn't fly legally.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 22:12 utc | 94

Posted by: vk | May 31 2020 17:10 utc | 23 This is probably aimed at just hurting Donald Trump in the November elections, not at destroying the social fabric of the USA.

Agreed that this is not some sort of "color revolution." I'm not sure this is aimed at Trump - though I don't doubt the Democrats will try to use it against him during the election campaigning. I do think this is being "orchestrated" to some degree by a variety of factions. But that isn't surprising - that always happens in these events, as others have noted. The question remains: who is the *main* orchestrator and what is their agenda?

I still want to know why Target closed 135 stores after only a couple days of rioting. There was something off about that. That had the smell of orchestration. However, it appears they have decided to reverse that decision and close only six stores in various cities. Weird.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2020 22:21 utc | 95

The Paul Jay radio interview with Michael Hudson is worth a listen. Thank you, vato @ 10. I suppose others have known, but I did not, that the rape of Greece isn't to be blamed entirely on European financiers, although they were the middlemen. Instead the pressure came from the US. Which is very sad since our democratic ideals are, or should be, philosophically grounded on ancient Greek principles.

The interview is worth a listen to the end, where Professor Hudson tells what must be done in restructuring government once it falls apart. I don't expect to be alive then, but it will be a time worth living in for those that are. A new beginning.

Well, at least I get to watch China for a bit longer!

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 22:25 utc | 96

c1ue #12

New Zealand coronavirus:

NZ has almost 10x more sheep than people; it is low density; it is isolated.


On the contrary New Zealand has many fine attributes: Sheep are smart, it is the newest landmass on the planet of habitable size, it is beautiful but was better when more forest remained, remains of Egyptian rats have been found there under the black layer of an old eruption, part of the Ming dynasty Chinese flotilla was wrecked there at the same eruption, the indigenous occupants did not survive the eruption followed by the polynesian arrival followed by the whitefella arrival.

The Maori and the whitefellas have survived the Covid-19 arrival all thanks to common sense and competent leadership.


Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 31 2020 22:26 utc | 97

posted by Maximus | May 31 2020 20:32 utc | 76

The woke set (alias the 1 percent, the best people, the Davos crowd, the Swamp) openly seek to destroy the _principle_ of equality under the law and our constitutional order. They foolishly imagine that the direct actionists will not only spare their lives after coming to power, but gratefully allow them to flourish. Good luck with that!

“We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror." -- Karl Marx, Neue Rheinische Zeitung No. 301, May 1849

As for the cops, they will go along with whatever regime is in power.

Posted by: groucho | May 31 2020 22:35 utc | 98

what you are advocating for is mob-rule and justice that usually found its end in days gone bye with a lynching.

In America we have "innocence before proven guilty." Usually this process takes a little while. And before that, you need a warrant for arrest
Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 31 2020 17:57 utc | 29

Bullshit, you sound like just another ignorant smug Amurikan.

The world just witnessed a modern day lynching on the streets by cops.
There is no justice in Amurika. One's wealth and attorney takes care "justice"- its all a fucking scam and you're in on it.

White collar crime ring a bell? Any bankers in prison from 2008? I guess you missed your "Patriot Act" too huh genius? Warrants my ass.

Posted by: CitizenX | May 31 2020 22:36 utc | 99

Richard Steven Hack @ 94, yes, you are correct. I jumped ahead with his inflammatory remarks as reported about "looting and shooting." In such an explosive environment, I would call that culpable incitement by the supposed leader of the nation. It's the idea of shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater and a president should not be the one who does that. It's a more grievous matter even than insulting foreign leaders and tempting them to step over the line; now he is doing it with his own citizenry. That's what I call an impeachable offense.

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2020 22:36 utc | 100

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