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May 27, 2020

Open Thread 2020-42

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Posted by: james | May 28 2020 16:40 utc | 95

"you can't trust private corporations with anything of this nature... the premise of that article is very misleading..."

What's misleading about it? It describes exactly what we'd expect from these governments, including the health insurance/care systems they deliberately set up not to provide health care but to maximize power and profit.

So what needs to be updated? Evidently Pipeline Boy was feeling too much heat to continue with just a cover-up and so engaged in the circus stunt of sending in the military to "set things right"?

And in the process that incidentally reinforces the whole lawless notion that the bug has somehow given these executives lawless unconstitutional license to impose everything up to and including martial law, based on nothing but their own capricious autocratic fiat.

Posted by: Russ | May 28 2020 17:15 utc | 101

russ - this is the result of harper, harris and right wing loons that wish to be more like the usa - privatize everything... the publicly run nursing homes in ontario that haven't experienced the same... bevin has addressed this previously as they live in ontario.. maybe they can chime in.. i put the fault at the whole movement towards privatizing everything, including health care, something the usa-uk excel at and which i would prefer canada take a very different path.. this for profit agenda in this area is fucked up.. as for spinning it the way you are spinning it - i don't see it the same..

Posted by: james | May 28 2020 17:24 utc | 102

An interesting paper listing accidental escape or mishandling of transmissible pathogens by labs. 2014. 14 p.

https://armscontrolcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Escaped-Viruses-final-2-17-14-copy.pdf

In 2014 gain-of-function research (studying how to make pathogens more deadly) was banned or halted in the US (Fed. funding.) Which lead to outsourcing or off-shoring - why to China of course! according to the Asia Times.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-research-to-wuhan/

The ban was lifted in 2017, *Nature* even published an article.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08837-7

Funding and collaboration for the Wuhan Lab, 2 countries participated, France and the US, afaik.

See 2nd pic, only official trans. at opening was French

http://en.hubei.gov.cn/news/newslist/201502/t20150202_615586.shtml

An article (eng) about F-Wuhan collab.

Mr. Cazeneuve declared France is proud of building jointly with China the first national P4 Laboratory…

http://english.whb.cas.cn/cooperation/ne/201704/t20170417_176072.html

It appears (imho) that US contrib. was only for funding projects. The French being all for top-down institutional organisation did some of the heavy lifting.

Posted by: Noirette | May 28 2020 17:41 utc | 103

James , Long term care in Ontario, etc--

easily impressed

"After assuming power, Ford promptly set out to all but end comprehensive and unannounced inspections of long-term care homes. Reportedly, in 2019, only nine of the province's 626 homes received so-called "resident quality inspections".

In an instructive volte-face, Ford has promised to ramp up inspections and, in effect, belatedly try to undo the carnage that his and other rabidly Conservative premiers' laissez-faire attitude have exacted. Research shows residents of for-profit nursing homes in Ontario are four times more likely to die of COVID-19 than the elderly who live in not-for-profit or city-run facilities.

Poorly paid front-line care workers in those homes routinely shuttled from one job to another to make frayed ends meet, risking spreading the virus. Still, early in his tenure as premier, Ford nixed a modest increase in the minimum wage.

These days, Ford calls these overworked, underpaid helpers "heroes" and touts giving them a temporary raise for herculean services rendered."

Posted by: arby | May 28 2020 17:41 utc | 104

Ford has recently been claiming that this is a situation that they have inherited from previous decades. Mike Harris, who really gutted the system, is also the chair of Chartwell Retirement Residences. He was the spearhead behind for profit long term care legislation in Ontario and is said to be profitting handsomely from his own steerage. One hand washes the other.....as it ever was

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | May 28 2020 17:53 utc | 105

Since Canada is onboard with "regime change" in Venezuela, I wonder what this is about?

saw people complaining about giving money to Venezuelans and not to Canadians

Posted by: arby | May 28 2020 17:53 utc | 106

james @ 102

this is the result of harper, harris and right wing loons that wish to be more like the usa

too bad, i've always heard that the only differences between Canada and the USA are that the former has more forests and better healthcare.

Posted by: john | May 28 2020 17:56 utc | 107

james 102

I don't know how I'm "spinning" it. It all falls into place with perfect logic:

We have governments which long have openly demonstrated their total contempt for public health and the very lives of anyone who's not rich. (Until a couple of months ago most anyone here would have agreed that any Western government says to its people: "If you don't have money, just die." Only recently have those same governments become heroic self-sacrificing truth-tellers and saviors for most here.) Those governments have destroyed their health systems by converting them to only power and profit goals, rendering them incapable of meeting most medical goals, certainly anything out of the ordinary and arduous like this bug.

Those governments also long have openly demonstrated their propensities to enable every kind of corporate plunder expedition and especially those of the finance sector, to escalate the police state given any opportunity, and to use propaganda campaigns to tell Big Lies to gain pretexts for all these malign actions.

The US government in particular is incapable of anything but destruction. It damages anything it touches.

For these reasons we'd expect the Corona terror campaign to have nothing but malign motives, that these governments at the very least wouldn't care about the aged and vulnerable (and they certainly have not cared, other than to invoke them for propaganda purposes, to pretend that the purpose of the lockdown is to protect them most of all, when in fact the lockdowns never had any such capability or intent), that everything they do would be scientifically wrong and humanly harmful.

And that's exactly how it's gone. Of course it's delusional and dominionist to think that even a "good" government could attain the kind of control over already-unleashed nature the lockdownists still fantasize about.

BTW in the US and most other Western countries it's not just the right wing loons for whom privatization and corporate welfare are religious fundamentals. That is, unless we were to say that all devotees of neoliberalism (i.e. the entire political and media class) are right wing loons.

Posted by: Russ | May 28 2020 17:58 utc | 108

John, I just read somewhere that long term care was not included when Canada nationalized health care.

Posted by: arby | May 28 2020 18:00 utc | 109

The execution of the innocent George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota has sparked protests in that city and others across the Outlaw US Empire. Some are saying these are just the beginnings, and the potential is certainly present as June first with its rent and mortgage payments looms ever closer for the 130 million unemployed, a large portion who have yet to see any sort of bailout money. The usage of the term "looting" within the linked article is quite telling as it's already being used in street slogans revealing the fact that a segment of the public is well aware of what's been done to them and by whom. Also revealed in the comment section for that item is that Klobuchar when Minnesota's DA let the murdering cop return so he could kill again--or perhaps not since I just caught Common Dreams editing out a dozen comments on that article including the one linking Klobuchar to the killer cop! There were also links to alternative news sources that were also taken out in the cull. But then I shouldn't be surprised by such behavior as they did the same and worse during 2016 proving once again that Common Dreams.org remains a regressive tool in the service of the corrupt D-Party.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 28 2020 18:09 utc | 110

Cummings. I posted previous ‘dates don’t match,’ here the detail.

27 March. Announced BoJo has COV. Dominic Cummings (DC) runs away from Downing street, vids taken. Wifey in her Spectator article: “..did rush home to look after me” (no date given), this explains or excuses his dash

28-29 March. DC reportedly develops symptoms, wifey writes he is weird after rushing home to her

30 March: Gvmt confirms Cummings is self-isolating (not said where) (as many of his contacts are now pos or ill ..)

31 March / 1 April. Some communication between Durham police and DC’s father, re. the DC family being at the parent’s estate. Security advice given.

28 March - 6 April. Wifey in Spectator: DC was 10 days sick “lay doggo with high fever” and other dramatic symptoms… “At the end of March and for the first two weeks of April I was ill, so we were both shut in together”

2 April. Son ill (neg. for COV) taken to hospital by ambulance in Durham, with wifey staying with him, the next day -

3 April, DC drives to hosp to pick up wife and son and bring them back home

5 April. DC seen in garden in Durham with his son playing

12 April. The 3 are seen in Barnard Castle, a day-trip. It is wifey’s b-day.

14 April. DC is photographed back in Downing Street.

One easy interpretation is that the parents were not ever sick at all and conformed to the thousand year pattern of fleeing to the country side. (see rich NY's going to the Hamptons, etc.) The excuse was easy to find, a clever twist...

Wifey Spectator published 23 April

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/04/an-infectious-uncertainty/

Posted by: Noirette | May 28 2020 18:23 utc | 111

adding. —-worth a look:

FT lawyer comments on DC’s statement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0tWyhkoP5c

Chris Grey on Brexit and the Cummings affair

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-cummings-affair.html

Posted by: Noirette | May 28 2020 18:24 utc | 112

Richard Steven Hack,

Your petulance is rather distracting but not in a good way.

You accuse others of relying on the information produced by institutions you deem to have an agenda implying that the institutions you make use of do not have an agenda.

I use information from

5 ships (15000 individuals)
Sweden

And

Personal experience of a colleague and a friend that have tested positive for Covid19 (both asymptomatic) yet none of their family members have been infected.

When someone produces data that matches outcomes in different locations and different circumstances, I take it as valid.

Whether it is produced by the CDC or the HHS matters not in the least.

Now then, although the CDC may have an agenda, you know, or at least you should know, that Soros and his sundry democracy foundations have just as much of an agenda. Just because you subscribe to Soros' agenda does not mean that everyone else is wrong.

Posted by: guidoamm | May 28 2020 18:31 utc | 113

Karlof1@110

Yes,I remember when "Commondreams" started censoring and purging all the anti-Hillary comments during the last election.You were banned if I remember correctly.That's when I quit that site and haven't been back since.

Posted by: Lark | May 28 2020 18:39 utc | 114

"..all devotees of neoliberalism (i.e. the entire political and media class) are right wing loons."
Russ@108
And that is about the size of it- this crisis has exposed the nature of neo-liberalism which is the real ideology of capitalism,. If you like capitalism, you get neo-liberalism.
And there is a dirty little secret at the heart of capitalism which is being made so clear that it takes a philosopher to doubt it: the system devours people. It is cannibalism without the barbecue.
The long term care situation in Ontario is a bookend on the history of capitalism: the system begins with the atrociously callous exploitation of orphans- apprenticed to the northern industrial enterprises where industrialisation was being introduced. And the coalmines where four year olds dragged carts full of coal from the face to the surface. And, of course, blacking factories like the one into which the young Charles Dickens was 'apprenticed' by his downwardly mobile parents, for whom the money was important.
The public would not, in the final analysis stand for such horrors. Thus it was that, to save their system from the destructive anger of the populace, the capitalists acceded to rules and regulations which were designed to protect children from the brutality of greedy people with money, who wanted more.
What we have seen in recent years is the dismantling of protections, fences around the machinery of capitalism. It is proof that RH Tawney was right when he told his fellow Fabians that you cannot tame a tiger claw by claw. You cannot tame capitalism (apologies to tigers), because just when you feel that you have it under control it mobilises the reserves of power that it has maintained (in the military, in the media, in the universities among other places) and uses it to reconquer the political territory that it lost to reformers and socialists. Since the mid seventies the reforms of the post war era- a period when the ordinary people understood that the capitalists had sympathised with the fascists- have been steadily eroded in the interests of the cannibals.
And Long Term Care, featuring on the one hand the weakest people in society, people whose very words can be dismissed as symptoms of mental decay, and on the other hand relatives anxious to hand over the responsibility of looking after their parents to others and inclined neither to see or hear evil, long term care, of a generation of elderly survivors of the fat years of the post war era, most of them homeowners and pensioners, with surprisingly large financial resources, represented, and particularly in Ontario, an opportunity for stripping wealth, effortlessly from successive generations of people. A gold mine without the sweat.
All the ingredients of this ripe and rotten capitalism are there: a staff underpaid and freelancing, after Union busting and outsourcing throughout the healthcare system, a staff that could be burdened with the work of two and paid the wages of less than one. Then all the cheap games that Dickens wrote of: cheap food, a semi narcotic regime (chemical coshes) to quieten down the punters, skimping on cleaning, exercise, entertainment -skimping on everything except the return on investment.
I suspect that all the greed that in the US informs the Healthcare system, in which seniors are reduced to penury by expensive procedures, drugs etc, is displaced in Ontario into the Long Term "Care" Homes- the last chance to take a bite at people who have worked as wage slaves for most of their lives.
Ford is to blame, of course, so are all the politicians-and none more than the scum in the NDP who have traded away the people they purport to protect. But the reality is that, right now, thanks to this crisis Ford has to go along with public opinion,in that he is sincere. What the 'left' has to do is to refuse to take reforms as sufficient- all profit must be removed from the sector. And to ensure it never comes back-and devours more people- capitalism has to go.
Because the fault here is capitalism-cannibalism is an absolutely vital part of it, it cannot exist without devouring masses of people. And, if it isn't stopped soon in its tracks it is going to devour millions more in the coming months.

Posted by: bevin | May 28 2020 18:44 utc | 115

At least 43% of all Corvid deaths in the US were nursing home residents, out of around 100,000 deaths, that means 43,000 deaths at least.

Posted by: Kadath | May 28 2020 19:14 utc | 116

Lark @114--

Thanks for your reply! Yes, my moniker there was EnemyofWar and I was banned but not before I was able to download all my comments that put a large spanner into their system. I won't use the Discuss platform either as it is also a censorship tool. I still visit the site since it does provide information not published elsewhere. Here's an article revealing that Klobuchar not only declined to prosecute Floyd's killer for his first murder, but also refused to indict more than 24 other killer-cops. As for informative TV news programs, I turn to RT at its site as some of its shows aren't aired within the Outlaw US Empire. The lack of distracting and indoctrinating sports TV has also helped remove blinders from some people. I was surprised that the Renegade Inc show I linked above also included TV programs about food as one of its indicators of dying empires.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 28 2020 19:14 utc | 117

For those who've never seen it like me, here's the link to Four Horsemen mentioned above at the link to its short update. The film's 90 minutes long and opens with this quizzical citation from the US Declaration of Independence:

"All experience has shown that mankind is more disposed to suffer--while evils are sufferable--than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

I've cited the Declaration before as a living revolutionary document and do so again. All the justifications for overthrowing the current Outlaw US Empire reside within it, while more of course could be added. IMO, if all the signers of the Declaration were to be transported to our time and informed of the true situation, they would ask why we've yet to revolt as it's our duty to ourselves.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 28 2020 19:33 utc | 118

@ 108 russ.. i agree with all of what you say about the issue of privatization being a bad thing in health care - something the usa-uk excel at, and something canada has mistakenly allowed to happen in the senior or nursing homes to a degree.. they haven't completely sold out as there are still publicly run hursing homes in canada... as@ 109 arby notes - and my articles to you earlier articulate - long term care was not included when Canada nationalized health care.
hopefully with the study that trudeau and ford have agreed to do, they will see the need to completely abandon this concept of for profit in the seniors homes as well..

my problem with your posts are how you spin this lockdownist ideology as the main problem... i have always believed in the absence of more info we need to give the benefit of the doubt to health authorities.. that isn't to say i haven't come to realize mistakes have been and continue to be made, but i think a cautious approach has been warranted and it is one that the usa in particular is not taking... so that is the part i think you are spinning a particular way that i don't agree with.. you're blaming the lockdownists, when it is something else to me...

Posted by: james | May 28 2020 19:38 utc | 119

thanks bevin, brilliant rant.
many people i know think it is on purpose.
nursing homes in europe cant find staff, i ve seen posters offering 500 euros to anyone who could bring someone to work in a place, and it was owned by one of the two biggest companies owning care homes in the country.

Posted by: Mina | May 28 2020 20:03 utc | 120

I've discovered another page related to the Four Horsemen documentary I linked to above that barflies will want to further explore.

Mina, bevin, James, and others, the Elder Care Pandemic is beyond damning. Do note the exact opposite stance of Putin, Xi, and other Asians and Africans on how one ought to treat one's elders. IMO, the situation goes well beyond Moral Failure; and as one who directly cared for his elders, I'm abhorred to no end, but not at all surprised by the "values" exposed in the process.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 28 2020 20:25 utc | 121

james 119

We agree about corporate health insurance systems, though the very existence of such systems proves to me that these governments have contempt for the public health. Yet almost all erstwhile advocates of Medicare for All etc. flipped and suddenly believe these very governments and corporations are benevolent life-givers and science-cherishers whose word must be taken as law. Same as every other cohort which ever claimed to hold ANY principle. All that has been wiped clean by the tsumani of this New Word of the government and media. So yes, I'd say "lockdownism" is not only a thing, but an extremely potent psychological virus. What else can explain such phenomena as choosing on principle to believe on faith "health authorities" which in every other context you recognize and denounce as malign, deceptive, and stupid?

Those are the same health authorities which endorse and run interference for every kind of industrial and agricultural poison, lead in the water, every kind of cancer agent, heart disease agent, which waves its hand at the pandemics of heat and wildfire and flooding which regularly kill Covid-level numbers with nobody batting an eye, and whose record with these flu epidemics is atrocious. High Priest Ferguson is only the most notorious example of an unbroken record of being wrong and malevolent about every epidemic, lying about the science, foisting computer models on human lives, failing upward, and being proven to have lied about everything he said about CV19. The others are no better.

Those are part of the evil, irredeemable system. As far as where the benefit of the doubt should lie, my decades-long study of totalitarianism tells me that literally nothing could be as bad. Nothing even the most lethal virus could do, let alone a lukewarm middling-dangerous one like SC2, could be as bad. So my precautionary principle always is against any escalation of the police state, as has been the primary feature of these lockdowns.

As for the lockdown religion, since it abets all the worst crimes of the system and wants to assist the system's totalitarian aspirations, not to mention being wrong on every point of science, reason, politics and morality, it should be analyzed and condemned.

Posted by: Russ Bangs | May 28 2020 20:33 utc | 122

Because the fault here is capitalism-cannibalism is an absolutely vital part of it, it cannot exist without devouring masses of people.
__________________________________________________

Sad to say that is true.

Of course, the believers in capitalism do not see it that way. They will tell you it is not a zero sum game. They will say one person's gain does not require another person's loss. And they truly believe this. The system is designed to make it appear that "a rising tide lifts all boats" when in fact a rising tide means that somewhere else on the planet the tide has to be the opposite of rising.

Posted by: jinn | May 28 2020 22:24 utc | 123

Posted by: arby | May 28 2020 14:17 utc | 84 Sorry. That is messed up. Can't seem to copy it or write it out without things changing by themselves

LOL That's exactly the sort of mistake I'll probably make. I'll just leave out something like I do with BLOCKQUOTE. I've done Web site stuff before, I know how HTML works. But fingers occasionally do whatever they want, sans brain control. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2020 22:27 utc | 124

Posted by: guidoamm | May 28 2020 18:31 utc | 113 I use information from 5 ships (15000 individuals) Sweden And Personal experience

And yet you ignore - deliberately in my view - the actual facts from 200 countries.

"When someone produces data that matches outcomes in different locations and different circumstances, I take it as valid."

Except it's taking the "data" from your ships and one country - which conflicts with (if improperly interpreted) with the data from the entire rest of the world.

"Whether it is produced by the CDC or the HHS matters not in the least."

But when it's produced by someone who disagrees with your AGENDA, then clearly it matters quite a lot - to you.

"Now then, although the CDC may have an agenda, you know, or at least you should know, that Soros and his sundry democracy foundations have just as much of an agenda. Just because you subscribe to Soros' agenda does not mean that everyone else is wrong."

I haven't even seen a comment from or about Soros here or anywhere else. And I'm hardly a Soros supporter.

You're simply incapable of logical thought and you are hobbled by your AGENDA which in turn is the result of cognitive dissonance.

Suggest you have that looked into.

But not here.


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2020 22:33 utc | 125

Not that it was needed, here's further evidence the society within the Outlaw US Empire is extremely sick and deranged:

"'One netizen on the social media platform commented that COVID-19 was the result of a 'virus that was created to kill all the blacks.'"

"In an apparent response, Aucoin [Fired cop] posted, 'Well it didn’t work,' before adding 'how unfortunate.'"

A deep sickness resides within a significant segment of the Outlaw US Empire's society and underlying culture. We see it articulated by Trump, we just saw it in the murder of Mr. Floyd, and here we see it by a Southern cop and some unknown puke, but this time as a genocidal wish gone unfulfilled. All such people are taught this type of hatred by other people--without exception--and from a very young age, from birth essentially. I thank the stars my parents weren't like that.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 28 2020 22:36 utc | 126

@ 121 karlof1.. thanks..the link is not loading for me..

@ 122 russ... thanks.. honestly russ i think the big difference between your view on this and mine is that we live in different countries - me on vancouver island with 127 cases to date in all of this and you in new jersey which may have a lot more and may be more restrictive with this lockdown mentality you describe.. that and the obvious big difference of private verses public health care a huge dividing line between canada and the usa... as for neil fergusson - uk epidemiologist - i don't follow the uk dynamic very much but i recall they flipped in their approach early in all of this from wanting to go the herd immunity route to not... and of course he or his lover were caught not adhering to the guidelines they are telling the public to follow - one rule for the leaders and another for the followers... i haven't experienced this here in b.c. but i will say that i trust bonnie henry who has been given the responsibility of making the regular announcements to the b.c. province on how to move forward... one big difference between b.c. and the other provinces here in canada is having a health official like bonnie henry, verses a political leader, seems to make a difference.. people here anyway, are more inclined to trust the health official then the politicians... i am not in lockdown.. i am maintaining social distancing... i am prevented from playing gigs in indoor places with more then 50 people, although i am going to be doing a gig indoors june 14th which usually holds a few hundred that will only be allowing 50 and no dancing.. it is a bit bizarre, but b.c. is sort of opening up - slowly... i still trust the health authority here in b.c., but i can see how not everyone will...

i think i get your concern here, but i think it is hard for me to appreciate it as i don't see it the same where i live.. this is probably the main reason why i say you are spinning it a certain way.. i suppose i am too based on my own experience and how i process it... thanks for your ongoing comments and understanding!

Posted by: james | May 28 2020 22:39 utc | 127

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 28 2020 14:05 utc | 82 Tell me how it ends, Richard.

It ends with the US losing and leaving - in twenty or thirty years when they decide they want another more profitable war somewhere else - and Iran remaining standing (but its infrastructure devastated, so it takes Iran another twenty years to recover.)

This is how all US wars end. Have you missed the last fifty years of US war?

All your snark changes nothing. War with Iran is inevitable. And when it happens, I will be waiting here for your abject apology (assuming some US bomb hasn't sent your ass to your 77 virgins.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2020 22:40 utc | 128

james @127--

Thanks for your alert. I checked all those links earlier and now they exhibit all the signs of a DDOS attack. I modified my MoA comment into an article for my VK page and also inserted the link into a comment I made at Pepe Escobar's FB page. Given the content, some entity with the ability decided to block access, which shows the impactfulness of the documentary. In a few days, I'll bet the attack will be lifted or defeated. But I'll need to attach a note to my article to make readers aware. Thanks again!!

Posted by: karlof1 | May 28 2020 23:02 utc | 129

@93 Seconded. The Libya mess is getting worse and confusing. Is the LNA retreating? Are Russian fighters really deployed!? Who's got the scoop?

Posted by: Lozion | May 28 2020 23:05 utc | 130

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2020 22:40 utc | 128
20 or 30 years, really? President Hack, the sheeple are waiting for "ACTION."
We couldn't get past day 7. Pull the trigger, I think some called it making Iran to a glass parking lot.
Your ideology has blinded you. My 72 (not 77) virgins are descending now. Please pull the trigger.
Lollipop taken away. What will Richard do?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 28 2020 23:45 utc | 131

bevin #115

YES +++

Russ Bangs #122

Ditto +++

Thank you both

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 28 2020 23:48 utc | 132

USA continues to deteriorate as economic decline worse than experts' forecasts:

US real GDP fell at an annualised rate of 5% Q1 2020

Here's the key part:

Corporate profits fell at a 13.9% annual pace and were 8.5% below the first quarter of last year.

Posted by: vk | May 28 2020 23:53 utc | 133

Nomi Prins has a new article out, "The Great Depression, Coronavirus Style: Crashes, Then and Now" that must be read knowing a few things about the first stats she uses--unemployment. In 1929 when the Depression began, the workforce used to determine unemployment was vastly different than today's--very few women worked and a great many were their own employers on the farms they operated. As we go forward, a great many more comparisons are going to be made and use the same stats Prins does but without any of the clarification I just provided. I can see that this will provide good material for an much needed article. Just as today's labor figures are deliberately distorted, using labor figures from the Depression Era is also problematic when used for comparative purposes. Other data can also be skewed as I discovered when going over the books of my Maternal Grandfather's Citrus Ranch business from 1922 to 1967 when it was sold after his death. His income was much higher than reported because he claimed all family members as employees and thus all their expenses were deemed business related, which was legitimate. But the claimed $2,500/yr income averaged from 1930-1940 was almost $10,000/yr higher--a very comfortable living during that period. So, be skeptical when reading stats from that or any other period as very often something's hidden.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 29 2020 0:07 utc | 134

Looks like there is going to be a major escalation in sanctions and expulsions directed at China by the U.S. to be announced tomorrow. This apparently will include a change in Hong Kong's status, sanctions directed at political figures, and expulsions of Chinese students studying in U.S. Probably followed by similar measures by the other Five Eyes countries.

Posted by: jayc | May 29 2020 0:38 utc | 135

EU recovery fund: A guide to the $2 trillion investment plan

First question to our European commenters here: where would you find such comprehensive summary of such an important, but controversial, European policy?

Second question: do you still believe in the EU after this abortion of history and economy, to be quoted bellow?

Money is set to come from unprecedented mass borrowing by the Commission against the EU budget. The Commission has put forward bond maturities of up to 30 years on which interest would be covered from the bloc's 2021-27 budget and the capital would be repaid by 2058.

This is capitalist delusion to its maximum potency. I simply don't have any more words for this travesty.

Posted by: vk | May 29 2020 0:40 utc | 136

In my native Portland, Oregon, a white man with schizophrenia was beaten to a pulp and died while handcuffed on the pavement by our local police department.

Many from the NW, including Karlof1 and psychohistorian probably remember this event as it was a somewhat big occurrence though quickly brushed under the rug.

Police brutality knows no skin color to activate it, unlike the bull who is enraged at the matador and his red "muleta."

There are many, many non-blacks who have died in police custody. Women even. It runs the gamut.

To again make this into an issue of identity politics will enable this to occur and repeat over and over again.

If this further continues to be about race, it will continue the erosion of our policing services into further fractured and brutal realities.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 29 2020 2:36 utc | 137

For those interested in the acclaimed Ross Ashcroft documentary that karlof1 as been linking to, here is the full 2012 documentary at Renegade's channel on YouTube:

Four Horsemen - Feature Documentary - Official Version

Posted by: Grieved | May 29 2020 2:50 utc | 138

Facebook's creator once again proving he's an ass...

Mark Zuckerberg's Ridiculously Wrong, Misleading, And Self-Serving Statements Regarding Twitter Fact-Checking The President

And the Orange Mop-Head throws a hissy fit over same issue...demonstrating once again that the Constitution is a meaningless document to him...

The Two Things To Understand About Trump's Executive Order On Social Media: (1) It's A Distraction (2) It's Legally Meaningless

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2020 3:18 utc | 139

@ 137 nemesis calling.. it seems to me the usa has a problem with black people.. now maybe the police don't seem to make any distinction, but after reading that book i was talking about - solitary- by albert woodfox, i would say the whole prison system is really slanted towards a racist attitude towards blacks.. it seems to me the police dept - not all of them of course - are also into singling out blacks and latinos much more then whites...

Posted by: james | May 29 2020 3:20 utc | 140

NemesisCalling | May29 2:36 @ 137

Police brutality knows no skin color ...

Police brutalize other races too but their abuse is mostly (and disproportionately) directed at low-income and minority populations.

That's why "driving while black" is a thing.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 29 2020 3:46 utc | 141

NemesisCalling | May29 2:36 @ 137

Police brutality knows no skin color ...

Police brutalize other races too but their abuse is mostly (and disproportionately) directed at low-income and minority populations.

That's why "driving while black" is a thing.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 29 2020 3:46 utc | 142

James @140

The problem with assigning a national character is that you are bound to piss 50% of the people off, give or take.

I am one of those people.

You can say I have a shadow characteristic that is intrinsically racist, I would say that birds of a feather flock together and the U.S. is one big, disparate group, for better or worse. It is constantly trying to figure itself out, but these highly-publicized police brutality cases are just another rabbit hole to get lost down, meanwhile you are no closer to figuring us Yanks out.

One of my favorite authors, Zora Neale Hurston, happens to be a black woman. She ruffled many feathers in her very vocal dismissal of the urban black movement which in her mind sought the help of the political class to "right the wrongs."

She said to hell with that and implored her fellow blacks to show what they could be without any kind of special treatment.

I would say and have said before that there is a poverty problem in the U.S. touching all races. I would also say there is a cultural problem touching all races. Some of these police brutality events have been the result of strong cultural disconnect and miscommunication which resulted in heated exchanges promptly exploding.

IOW, it is a silent powderkeg. Kicking and thrashing and assigning racial rationale for this doesn't do the problem justice and I would argue furthers it.

Unfortunately, just like our senseless wars abroad, it is an issue that I am afraid my country is not up to tackling.

Jackrabbit @141

See my comment to James.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | May 29 2020 4:15 utc | 143

Rockefeller Foundation has the plan!!
https://rwer.wordpress.com/2020/05/28/lock-step-how-the-rockefeller-foundation-wants-to-implement-its-autocratic-pandemic-scenario/

Posted by: Nancy E. Sutton | May 29 2020 4:50 utc | 144

Police intolerance of humans suffering from psychiatric illness is a worldwide problem, found in a great many countries where the less aware members of the population have been indoctrinated to regard such people as dangerous even though time & time gain health & crime statistics reveal that murder by humans during a psychotic episode is much less prevalent than murder by so-called 'sane' people and that the human most at risk is the human who has the illness as the choice between taking a medication that suppress emotions & feelings or having to put up with voices and apparitions is a choice between the frying pan or the fire, consequently many choose a 3rd way - self inflicted death.

Police intolerance of unwhites on the other hand is far more common among amerikan coppers than most other parts of the world. Admittedly england & france still have a problem, especially with young unwhite males, altho neither appear to kill unwhites for the crime of going about their business at nearly the same rate as amerikan cops do.

However, using one to try and deny the other is the worst sort of irrational foolishness.

I've puzzled over how it is that amerikan cops still do not get it for a long time, and while most white dominated societies still have thicko elements which seek to try & place the blame for problems, which in fact are most usually caused by living in a rapacious capitalist society, upon an easily identifiable minority, the racism among amerikan police strikes me as far more institutionalised than in most other law enforcement cultures.

Only in amerika have I come across police who routinely ask the race of another human, pretty much every time & often their first query. I've never heard a kiwi copper ask that when interviewing a witness. I have heard them ask for a description and seen the contemptuous look between the policeman if some witness attempts to define a human by their race. The reasons for this are complex, at least in part related the the fact that many pakeha# or falangi* (especially those who drag race into the picture) are incapable of noticing the difference between tangata whenua and pasifika people, let alone differentiating a Samoan from a Tongan, a Malay from a Filipino or a Chinese person from a Burman.

Come to think of it when I lived in Australia's Northern Territory, where the split between indigenous & non-indigenous was close to 50:50, plus there are a long established communities of people from South East Asia, I don't believe I ever heard a copper there ask someone to define another individual by their supposed race.

Police reality TV is something I avoid, but on those occasions I have seen it, the amerikan ones are aways saying "he's a caucasian/mexican/black/asian" as their first remark about any individual. The englander ones are nearly as bad except they use code words rather than names which many police consider to be derogatory. I cannot remember them all, but I think their term for a whitefella is 'IC1 male' or somesuch.

Not only is categorising another human by their skin colour or shape of their eyes likely to cause negative reaction in many instances, it is also useless as it is often wrong.
Racist coppers, let alone prejudiced citizens, are frequently incorrect with the race they do dub a suspect with, because their attitudes are fear driven & they tend to quickly look away after just a glance, race is not much of a defining characteristic in the way that a particular tatt, obvious physical disability, accent or height/weight can be.

How many times do amerikan coppers just grab the nearest blackfella to the crime scene rather than following up on an accurate description?
Judging by the numbers of innocents who won the dna lottery and got sprung , I would say probably most times.

The young african-american jogger shot by a thick as pigshit retired detective and his equally moronic son a few weeks back, is a typical example of both the lack of cognitive ability and the racism of amerikan 'law enforcement'. Overweight & ignorant are the two most defining characteristics of seppo coppers, IMO.
As long as so many amerikans refuse to acknowledge police racism & the racist culture which still thrives in a lot of amerika, nothing will change.

# pakeha - Maori term for whitefella. Some pakeha claim it is derogatory but there is no evidence to support that outside of urban myth/anecdote

* falangi - pasifika esp Samoan colloquialism for white fellas

Posted by: A User | May 29 2020 4:53 utc | 145

Nemesisiscalling | May29 4:15 @143

it is a silent powderkeg ... that I am afraid my country is not up to tackling.

Well, USA power elite could tackle this "silent powderkeg" - but they haven't. And since the power elite are almost all white, you've just acknowledged that james' assessment is correct.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 29 2020 5:04 utc | 146

@143 nemesis calling.. i hear what you are saying and i can appreciate why you are saying it, but to me it is a bit like obama not wanting to have any accountability.. at what point does this approach to moving forward never happen thanks the fact people are unwilling to examine the past and see how much impact it is having on the present? so for those who want to skip addressing the racial divide, or skip any accounting of what seems institutionalized in the usa - police brutality towards blacks and latinos in a disproportionate manner. how do you move forward?? yes, it is a powder keg and many would like to keep it silent, but at what point does it get defused, if ever??

many things you are say true too - economic hardship is experienced by everyone across the board, but again i would say a disproportionate number are again blacks.. now maybe it is a cultural thing and maybe there are some other factors to it like american history which was founded on slavery... it just seems to me from what i see is it isn't going away and it is always rearing its ugly head, like a lot of other issues in the usa that seem to have set up the usa as a very tinder box type place where the slightest match can potentially set off a huge fire.. i don't know the answer on how to move forward, but i think it has to be openly acknowleged (as @ 145 a user notes) or none of it is going to change... it is just too ingrained and accepted in a way that is completely unacceptable as i see it... i view israels treatment of the palestinians the same way and of course south africa attitude of apartheid, prior to it falling apart in very much the same way... it ain't going to go away by not talking about it and facing it head on as i see it... of course this will necessitate a lot of other changes to, least of all more equality on a number of levels - and all of it seemingly far out of reach in the present.. thanks for sharing your views!

Posted by: james | May 29 2020 5:16 utc | 147

@146 jr

What do you mean "they" can tackle it?

Do you mean like Soros funding BLM and other elites pushing this racial divide?

They want us foaming at the mouth like animals and we are happy to oblige them.

Torched precinct in Minneapolis. Start the countdown to the next highly-publicized police brutality incident with a black.

Sign reads: "It has been 27 days since our last incident involving the killing of a black."

Keep it up. Back to work everybody.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 29 2020 5:18 utc | 148

by the way, the stats listed in the 2019 book by albert woodfox back up what i am saying too.. unfortunately the usa can't escape this or diffuse it in any way other then addressing it head on... why is it that none of these police are generally held responsible either? the state or gov't is always going to bat for the police in situations like this... now, maybe this time it will be different, but i very much doubt it.. until there is some accountability across the board, people will judge things based on what they see first hand, not what politicians tell them with their cheap words..

Posted by: james | May 29 2020 5:20 utc | 149

i think black lives matter is a good thing, just like i think the black panther movement was a good thing.. of course the cia will infiltrate these organizations and try to break them apart... the money would be better spent differently... these peopl need to be given a voice and opportunity to have dignity and respect for who they are... they need to find ways to live a dignified life in spite of the obstacles... everyone can help and i am sure you are part of the solution nemesis calling.. i will give you that! that is clear from your commentary..

Posted by: james | May 29 2020 5:24 utc | 150

james 127

No doubt our views are likely to differ based on where we came up, though my position is based not on any recent stimulus but on the world view I've built over the last thirty years. Objectively speaking the lockdown in NJ turned out to be more obnoxious than arduous, except for the obscenity of closing the parks for several weeks (they've since reopened albeit with a greater presence of uniformed nannies than usual and with some stupid capacity restrictions which serve no purpose but continued harassment; I say again than only a total idiot, or someone with an ulterior motive, ever could have thought the outdoors could represent any significant vector, no matter how closely gathered people are). From what I've heard parts of Europe and even some US states are much worse.

But unlike for almost everyone else, the Corona spectacle hasn't obscured any of my hard-earned knowledge nor changed any of my long-standing principles, any more than any previous propaganda spectacle. Therefore I've gone ahead with the same principles and the same will to resist as with any previous system assault.

You've previously objected to my discussing the bottom-up element in this, the exultant embrace of lockdownism by the masses. But how otherwise to explain why the people chose on this occasion, in response to this propaganda campaign, to stop going to clubs and dancing, or to obey when the parks are closed. (I found only one other person who said she'd be willing to participate in civil disobedience to liberate the parks.)

The people have not previously chosen any sudden sea change in behavior in response to, for example, the climate crisis, or the suffusion of the environment with industrial poisons (including the particulate air pollution which is being identified as a primary factor in C19 outbreaks), or Wall Street's deliberate destruction of the global economy in 2008. Each of those, the attitude remains Business as Usual without even a modification or pause, except perhaps over very long time arcs. So why did the masses spontaneously embrace the Corona terror campaign?

True, unlike the others the Corona bug was the occasion for an intense astroturfing media campaign, but I don't think that gives a full answer as to why not just the masses but the great majority of former anti-authoritarians, anti-imperialists, anti-globalists, anti-propagandists also chose to throw all those things overboard and embrace the propaganda.

So far as I can see the masses comprised a pressure cooker ready to blow, and the system hit on a way to blow off some of that pressure (albeit at great risk of building up far more, if the human and socioeconomic destruction wrought by the lockdowns generates its own radical blowback), directing it away from itself and in a way calculated to restore faith in itself, while affording yet another opportunity for Wall Street plunder and escalating the police state.

As for Ferguson, this piece details his record of lies and failure and being promoted for being a very useful hack. The fact that he was the first to break his own lockdown rules is typical of the elites, and proves that he himself knows lockdowns are based on nothing but lies. Same with the other elites disregarding their own lies and their own rules.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article209749.html

Neil Ferguson"Professor Neil Ferguson, high priest of liberal hospital management and inventor of the generalized containment against Covid-19. Professor Ferguson is still the European reference for epidemic modelling.
- Yet it was he who, in 2001, convinced Prime Minister Tony Blair to have 6 million cattle slaughtered to stop the foot-and-mouth epidemic (a decision that cost 10 billion pounds and is now considered an aberration).
- In 2002, he calculated that mad cow disease would kill about 50,000 British people and another 150,000 when transmitted to sheep. There were actually 177.
- In 2005, he predicted that bird flu would kill 65,000 Britons. There were a total of 457.

Posted by: Russ | May 29 2020 5:27 utc | 151

Apparently, George Floyd was passing a counterfet $20 note, whether aware of it or not, and that this was the reason for his arrest.

It is fuuny and sad that the great French filmmaker Robert Bresson had a film, his last one, called L'Argent ("Money"), based on Tolstoy's The Forged Coupon, about a garbage worker who unbeknownst to him, is passed a fake note which sets him on a tragic course ending in murder. Great film about money being the root of great evil.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 29 2020 5:34 utc | 152

@149 James

Much of what you say is true.

I see very little good in such political movements.

They, without fail, engender resentment.

What blacks need now is to get their house in order any way they can. Asking the gov't to do this for them is a non-starter to any sane person.

Why?

The same reason we can't extract ourselves from foreign entanglements or keep the elites from looting the public coffers.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 29 2020 5:42 utc | 153

Lets comment on US matters for once:
the kids in Minneapolis did the right thing.

Posted by: Mina | May 29 2020 7:38 utc | 154

NemesisCalling | May29 2:36 @ 137
No if the cop is a suprematist(like many others) in a fake-integrated country like usa..This it's been the tip of the iceberg..Those pigs killed another innocent black and what should black people do?They show the right anger for a system that rejects them.

Posted by: LuBa | May 29 2020 8:20 utc | 155

This isn’t a black problem it’s a white problem ! To suggest otherwise is laughable.
The powers that be have been allowed to do the most evil things around the world without consequences. Even on their own citizens. The powers that be will never ever stop until ‘we’ stop them.
Society is a contract, the elite and there goon cops have broken that contract.
Where do those cops live ? It’s the only way now.
Cops need consequences + America needs consequences.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 29 2020 8:34 utc | 156

Here in the U.K. the Tory’s always create a couple of ‘terrorist’ attacks in the country /London before a general election ! They know it will win the election. The murder of George Floyed is the latest equivalent! Look at the last to run ups to Trumps election. This murder was deliberate.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 29 2020 9:07 utc | 157

re Mark2 | May 29 2020 8:34 utc | 156
"This isn’t a black problem it’s a white problem ! To suggest otherwise is laughable."

Nail meet hammer, Mark2 this is the heart of the issue. Those commenters who allude to Black Lives Matters as being a cause rather than an entirely understandable result, are either willfully or foolishly avoiding the issue.

Yes, because of police/national guard 'border' controls, it is likely the retail & service outlets used most by oppressed races that will get wrecked, but that isn't a negative - far from it. To me the alleged 'rioters' are saying "See, we are so pissed that yet again the whitefella culture has murdered an african amerikan, that we will deny ourselves access to that what most amerikans, black white or brown most desire access to consumerist garbage."

"We have selected these big chain stores as the target because we know, even if you do not, that it is the arseholes who own these purveyors of shit to the masses that are the force behind police racism, cos the greedies get, even if Jo/Joe Whitefella does not, that all of us shitkickers united to make a change is the one thing which spells the death of their arseholery."

Racism is a 100% unjustifiable evil. This isn't about being PC or 'woke', IMO many of those who insinuate that is are agents of the elites.

When I was a youngfella and first became active in opposing the status quo, my loathing of racism was my initial motivation. It took me a time to understand that racism is a tool used by the elites to drive division. It must be opposed wherever it is, not because all racists are arseholes, but because most extreme racists are dupes of the greedy, condescending & otherwise useless fucks who control far too much of what all of us need to do.

I have no hatred for a redneck dingbat, but I would butcher without a moment's hesitation, any opportunist & greed driven mouse-hill of excrement who filled his/her redneck mind with such facile nonsense as a world where race determines character.

Posted by: A User | May 29 2020 9:10 utc | 158

NemesisCalling #153

What blacks need now is to get their house in order any way they can. Asking the gov't to do this for them is a non-starter to any sane person.

Nina Turner has been leading the way on this as Campaign Chair of the Sanders presidential run. Unfortunately the white boss just betrayed the entire movement.

Nina Turner remains hard at it, definitely has the house in order and clearly intends to take it all the way.

But let's be clear who needs to get their house in order: its the private finance oligarchs that are the problem and their power drunk enforcers. These people are the promoters of racist violence, racist poverty, racist disadvantage and it THEY who's house needs to be put in order.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 29 2020 9:24 utc | 159

Thanks A User @ 158
Yes to all of that.
‘B’ how about a post on this one please ?
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I’m told the national gaurd have moved in now, complete with armoured trucks. Time to lay low in that city, and protest in another city or two to night.
Keep two steps ahead of them. They will have trained and equipped for this, for several years.

Have they arested those cops yet ? No !, thought not.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 29 2020 9:32 utc | 160

Russ Bangs @ 122

...So yes, I'd say "lockdownism" is not only a thing, but an extremely potent psychological virus. What else can explain such phenomena as choosing on principle to believe on faith "health authorities" which in every other context you recognize and denounce as malign, deceptive, and stupid?

yeah, and what better exemplifies malign intent than the ubiquitous C95 sucking humanness from a faceless crowd? i mean, aside from the creepy aesthetics, any responsible care-giver would alert the public to the dangers of rebreathing excess carbon dioxide...its inhibiting effects on blood oxygenation that's critical for a healthy immune system. and as the psychological virus spreads, the depravity is further exemplified by a new shunning...cutting wide arcs around people and backing off a few steps when they get too close.

more debilitating steps towards a collective, flaccid capitulation.

Posted by: john | May 29 2020 9:56 utc | 161

john 161

Self-evidently, breathing through a mask is more difficult and less effective than natural breathing. It hinders physical and mental function.

Ironically, the mask artificially produces the symptoms of respiratory disease.

Or maybe that's not so ironic; maybe it's objectively part of the Covid Death Cult. In the same way one pantomimes being buried by burying oneself alive ("sheltering in place") or being a ghost among the living ("social distance" with masks), so one who is physically healthy but mentally deranged uses the mask to simulate respiratory illness.

Posted by: Russ | May 29 2020 10:17 utc | 162

Maybe >>
China
Syria
Venezuela
Russia
Should fund the protesters in Minneapolis.
Perhaps freeze American assets relocating them to said USA protesters.
Trump speaks of shooting looters whilst looting the rest of the world.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 29 2020 12:11 utc | 163

James @ 150

To your point about Black Panthers and CIA - Those of us with long memories recall Richard Aoki, the ‘Japanese Black Panther’, one of the three founding members. Aoki admits he was always CIA and just laughs when asked if the others were. The romanticization of the Panthers by the left has always been pure comedy. And comedy scripted in advance.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 29 2020 12:18 utc | 164

Officer Chauvin knew George Floyd. They worked together for years. It was a personal beef and pure premeditated murder. In all probability the other officers on scene knew that Chauvin was carrying out a personal agenda. Gang killing.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 29 2020 12:22 utc | 165

The murder of George Floyd in Mineapolis has all the sign of being a ritual murder by the KKK. The man is way to immutable over Floyd´s neck for a total 8 minutes, he does not consider for a minute to test the state of the man under his knees, the intention to kill is obvious, and his tranquility while doing this in the very eyes of witnesses points at the assurance of going scot free by whomever ordered doing this.
Notice that the black man had a death almost equivalent to being hanged, a slow motion asfixia, which was the old way used by the KKK....

There is no way the policeman could not be aware of the damage inflicted to the man under his knees, as every policeman in the world receives a basic course in first aid.

It would be necessary by the Floyd family and its lawyers to investigate the personal background and connections of this policeman, as probably connections with white supremacist groups would be found.

In the big picture, this assassination with alevosy, comes very timely along with intends by other far-right formations of US funding and inspiration, as happens with Vox in Spain, to create mayhem and divide in the first weeks of easing of lockdown. Mayhem that goes against any intent of recovering by any EU plan, chaos instigated mainly by a class of rentiers who see that the general robery of all these decades comes to an end.

That Trump alluded to the "extrem left-wing" major of Mineápolis, for being incapable of controlling the situation so that he would need to send in the National Guard, points at politcal gain from this mayhem against the democrats.
To this add that some commenter at SST run to point out the policeman implied, and some other policemen implied in other cases of murdering of black people, who had been pardoned by Amy Klobuchar in the past.....Seems all the way some had these arguments prepared beforehand...Klobuchar should be investigated if that is true, but that this is denoiunced now, by far-right leaning commentariat, smells of rat all the way...since to this date they lived very comfortale with this situation, in case it is true....and have had all these years to denounce it...and he did not do it, not even at SST....

All this, imo, points at an orchestrated event, to cause the expected reaction by BLM activists, or even well payed violent shills infiltrated amongst the rightfully enraged population, to then justify that the left is not able to control chaos, so as to provoke the falling of the local leftist government.

The same aim that have the current demonstrations and provocations at parliament by the far-right in Spain, with a clear sector of law enforcement forces in their favor, to provoke the falling of the coalition of center left governement in the meiddle of the crisi provoked by the pandemic.

The gainings from the pandemic go far beyond stopping China. This is a project to achieve through the pandemic and its effects what some could not gain in the elections. It is getting increasingly clear.

Notice that Trump, as of date, has the lowest approval rates he has had during his tenure, and we are 5 months to the elections, and the worst economic and social damage is still to be seen....

Once you see your reelection in danger, setting the US on fire, especially at states and cities governed by the Democrats, could only benefit Trump and his nazis....

As I write, it is commented on Twitter that white supremacist armed militias are in the way to Mineápolis...Take your own conclusions...

This is another "Charlottesville" by Trump, his close advisors, and "his militias"....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 29 2020 12:25 utc | 166

Oldhippy @ 165
His dealings with the CIA obveously would have been made under duress (threat to his life) some of the founding members were killed in cold blood,
One is still in prison 50 years later, one female member is still evading capture in Cuba,
The truth within your comment is that — the more effective a Genuine alternative movement is the more violent your muderous psycpathic leaders in the west get.
The Black power movement were the first to open ‘before school breakfast clubs’ !
Overlooked is the huge good they did helping poor people in their community’s.
Overlooked in ‘your’ comment is any mention of what they were protesting about, and what they were protesting for.
No justice no peace ! Stands true today as it did then.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 29 2020 12:49 utc | 167

USA paid rock bands to wage propaganda warfare against Hugo Chávez:

EE.UU. financió grupos de rock para desestabilizar gobierno de Chávez

Posted by: vk | May 29 2020 13:11 utc | 168

Mark 2 @ 168

Aoki was a teenager at Berkeley High School. From a very privileged family. Not under duress.

Successful operations are the ones that elicit comments like yours 50 years later. When intel has us all in a mythological universe they can do what they want.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 29 2020 13:14 utc | 169

LOL, The EU couldn't even keep the Eurobond quote at $750 Billion Euros for a single week, their now saying their bond issuance will need to be 1.75 Trillion. Next week it will be 2 Trillion and then 3 Trillions, all paid for by the German savers - yeah, that won't happen. Merkel may want to throw every last cent of German savings into the financial blackhole that is the EU, but it will be electoral suicide to follow through on that.

Posted by: Kadath | May 29 2020 13:21 utc | 170

That's why "driving while black" is a thing.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 29 2020 3:46 utc | 142

Agreed Jackrabbit. Nowadays it is so prevalent the acronym DWB is used, being a variant of DWI, driving while intoxicated.

Af/Am population stands around 12%, and yet the portion of prison population is 25%.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 29 2020 13:37 utc | 171

@ 151 russ,

i think there are other ways to explain and describe what you refer to as "the exultant embrace of lockdownism by the masses." i wouldn't characterize it as exultant myself, but more pragmatic in the face of the unknown..so that is where my objection lies.. as for the issue of parks you regularly highlight - i don't agree with the approach new jersey has taken on that and as i said before, it is not the case here where i live here in b.c.. it never was this way in b.c. since this pandemic dynamic began...

frankly, i don't think i am embracing propaganda, but as the information has become more available i've responded to the info in my own way... so again i think you're characterization of the "great majority of former anti-authoritarians, anti-imperialists, anti-globalists, anti-propagandists also chose to throw all those things overboard and embrace the propaganda" is wrong..

as for neil fergusons record - it ain't pretty, but i won't characterize all medical professionals with the same brush.... thanks for your comments..

@ 153 nemesis calling.... woodfox in the book solitary attributes much of his faith and the development of his ideals striving for integrity in his actions to the black panther party and it's ideology... it seems these movements can be helpful to some for different reasons in the same way that they can be subverted by organizations like the cia for all the wrong reasons as well.. as to 'black lives matter', i don't know much about it... it is interesting in the article up today b references some provocateur who appears to be another potential cia, or insider stirring up the shit... how much of the state is behind the madness? i don't know, but i think organizations do serve a purpose that is helpful to some..

@156 mark2... i agree with marks statement below...
"This isn’t a black problem it’s a white problem ! To suggest otherwise is laughable."

@ 165 oldhippie..maybe i am romanticizing thanks reading albert woodfox's book called 'solitary'... i have much admiration for this guy who lived thru over 40 years of solitary confinement for a conviction he was framed for when he wasn't the guilty party and for in spite of the fact they tried the whole time to break him - they usually succeed - he was able to hold to the values he associated with the black panther party from the inside of prison and not be treated like shit, or let his fellow prisoners be treated like shit on a regular basis... so, yes - maybe i am romanticizing like you say... i never had to live his life and his word is only one persons word on how he was influenced by the black panther organization...

Posted by: james | May 29 2020 16:56 utc | 172

@ 138 grieved... i meant to thank you for that link that never came thru @ 121 karlof1s post... thanks both of you for your thoughtfulness.. i started watching last night...

Posted by: james | May 29 2020 17:17 utc | 173

. . . john | May 29 2020 9:56 utc | 161

". . .any responsible care-giver would alert the public to the dangers of rebreathing excess carbon dioxide . . ."

Of course. That's why surgeons, nurses, emergency room technicians, etc would never, never, ever put on a mask. You will never see a surgeon operating on a patient with -- of all things -- one of those silly masks interfering with his breathing, causing him to pass out from excess carbon dioxide, possibly even attracting aliens from the planet looney-tunes to take him up to their mothership and probe him repeatedly while his patient expires.

Happens all the time.

Posted by: AntiSpin | May 29 2020 20:50 utc | 174

james 172

i think there are other ways to explain and describe what you refer to as "the exultant embrace of lockdownism by the masses." i wouldn't characterize it as exultant myself, but more pragmatic in the face of the unknown

Although at the outset I would have agreed government would try to do this power-grab, because such a program needs the voluntary active cooperation of the masses I would've thought that although there wouldn't be active resistance, the slob inertia would render it ineffective. I was wrong. From what I've seen the great majority of people are not just obeying, and not even grudgingly obeying, but look willing and often eager. Many seem to view it as an adventure, even a pleasant one given the virtual-sleepover tone of lots of the online interaction (perhaps lots of people prefer seeing their "friends" only thru the likes of Zoom rather than in person). And all too many appoint themselves junior propagandists and take it upon themselves to propagate the party line, and often to denounce critics and dissenters. No doubt they dream of receiving crackerjack-box badges as "Covid Warriors".

This causes me to rethink my discounting the potential for classical fascism in the US. It requires cultural homogeneity and disciplined action. The new lockdown culture which has wiped almost all slates clean and obliterated all prior politics seems to represent such a homogeneity, and the masses have indeed been bizarrely disciplined so far in executing their own self-imprisonment and economic self-liquidation. And it all came out of nowhere, in response to what was never anything but a media scare campaign.

Posted by: Russ | May 30 2020 5:15 utc | 175

Just as luck would have it, the Turkish offensive last October enabled 13 djihadist women who were til then in Kurdish prisons to espace. One of them is the widow of one of the Paris attackers. French Le Parisien has traced some of their facilitators who managed to send them money and helped them move around.
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/yamna-sarah-nathalie-sur-les-traces-des-13-djihadistes-francaises-evadees-31-05-2020-8327031.php

Posted by: Mina | May 31 2020 12:39 utc | 176

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