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May 16, 2020

How Can Trump Still Win The Election?

Yesterday the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet lambasted Trump and called on Americans to not reelect him:

The Trump administration's further erosion of the CDC will harm global cooperation in science and public health, as it is trying to do by defunding WHO. A strong CDC is needed to respond to public health threats, both domestic and international, and to help prevent the next inevitable pandemic. Americans must put a president in the White House come January, 2021, who will understand that public health should not be guided by partisan politics.

Today the Financial Times adds to the onslaught. Its not paywalled page 1 report on Trump's reaction to the pandemic is pretty devastating and adds some juicy details:

Again and again, the story that emerged is of a president who ignored increasingly urgent intelligence warnings from January, dismisses anyone who claims to know more than him and trusts no one outside a tiny coterie, led by his daughter Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner – the property developer who Trump has empowered to sideline the best-funded disaster response bureaucracy in the world.
“Jared [Kushner] had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it,” says a Trump confidant who speaks to the president frequently. “That advice worked far more powerfully on him than what the scientists were saying. He thinks they always exaggerate.”
It was Trump who chose Robert Redfield to head the CDC in spite of widespread warnings about the former military officer’s controversial record. Redfield led the Pentagon’s response to HIV-Aids in the 1980s. It involved isolating suspected soldiers in so-called HIV Hotels. Many who tested positive were dishonourably discharged. Some committed suicide.

A devout catholic, Redfield saw Aids as the product of an immoral society. For many years, he championed a much-hyped remedy that was discredited in tests. That debacle led to his removal from the job in 1994.

“Redfield is about the worst person you could think of to be heading the CDC at this time,” says Laurie Garrett, a Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist who has reported on epidemics. “He lets his prejudices interfere with the science, which you cannot afford during a pandemic.”

One of the CDC’s constraints was to insist on developing its own test rather than import a foreign one. Dr Anthony Fauci – the infectious disease expert and now household name – is widely known to loathe Redfield, and vice versa. That meant the CDC and Fauci’s National Institutes of Health were not on the same page.

Besides the insider fighting there is the question if and how Trump might manage to win a reelection. It's all about the economy one might say but there will also be other factors. Trump will certainly follow Steve Bannon's advice and blame everything bad that has happened on China:

Economists say a V-shaped recovery is unlikely. Even then it could be two Vs stuck together – a W, in other words. The social mingling resulting from any short-term economic reopening would probably come at the price of a second contagious outburst. As long as the second V began only after November, Trump might just be re-elected.

“From Trump’s point of view, there is no choice,” says Charlie Black, a senior Republican consultant and lobbyist. “It is the economy or nothing. He can’t exactly run on his personality.” Steve Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist, had a slightly different emphasis: “Trump’s campaign will be about China, China, China,” he says. “And hopefully the fact that he rebooted the economy.”

I find it unlikely that the economy will be halfway back by November. The states are opening up too fast and without the abilities to control a further spread of the epidemic. The infection numbers in Texas and elsewhere are rising. Some states will have to shut down again when the casualties mount.

The 'blame China' strategy might work though because Trump can also use that against Biden and his family.

But will it be enough to win?

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Right now every US puppet around the world

Posted by: Francis | May 17 2020 5:23 utc | 101

tacky @ 97

Yes it makes perfect sense to try operate 9000 km from home to block trade off-shore of a nuclear power that provides key goods that sustain your own economy. After all the toy boats are at the bottom of the ocean, they would have to retreat to a shattered economy without multiple key resources, a shattered military, and civil war. It would all go swimmingly.

Posted by: sad canuck | May 17 2020 5:48 utc | 102

Posted by: milomilo | May 17 2020 3:57 utc | 98

What do you have against China, POTS?

Posted by: RST | May 17 2020 6:17 utc | 103

Blockading the South China Sea would possibly be the stupidist thing either presidential option could do. The US Navy would be absolutely drilled, it wouldn't even be close.

If USA intends to blockade China, it will have to be from the otherside of Philippines and Japan.

As far as waiting out Putin, he and his supporters have done a good job building civic virtue, especially in the younger generations. Five Eyes would push hard to get"their guy" into power, using every trick in the book, but I don't think it is possible any longer. In case of emergency, I suspect the military wouldn't hesitate to step in, unlike in the past.

Pushing a hard anti-China line won't get him reelected, the support isn't there outside his base. Trump will get reelected because Joe Biden is the opponent and continue going after China...but it is too late, USA is seriously outclassed.

Posted by: Jason | May 17 2020 6:36 utc | 104

I am going to go out on a limb here.

Acutely aware as I am of the forces at play that will stop at nothing to shape a narrative, I will base my prediction on data from the 3 cruise ships and the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier.

Infections will run at about 30% of the general population

Fatalities will be under 0.3% of the total population.

Fatalities will be hyped and exaggerated through distortions and omissions and only few will be able to see clearly through the fog.

But the data we have available says we are being railroaded.

The virus is already out into the population. It has been spreading since way before anyone realised this is a new virus and well before anyone thought of doing anything about it.

Since the virus is already out, sheltering in place does nothing to stop it doing what it does.

Too, mandating a complete shuttering of the economy till a vaccine is found is not a viable path either. We have been working on a Corona virus vaccine for several decades and, to date, we have nothing to show for it, not even at veterinary level.

For someone to say that a vaccine is 18 months away is, to say the least, suspicious.

I note too that the one thing we should be doing, we are not.

Even in Sweden where, like in NY and in Bergamo, the majority of fatalities have occurred in nursing homes, we are still doing nothing to protect and isolate this segment that are both victims and vectors.

Yes, nursing homes are vectors because we have not isolated the facility nor, indeed, have we isolated the people working in these facilities.

Here I remind you too that nursing homes are routinely fined, when they are not closed down, for poor hygiene. So parking Covid19 patients in these venues was always going to make a bad situation worse.

Opening the economy is the only reasonable solution to maintain a modicum of viability for those institutions and individuals that can salvage what can be salvaged from this debacle.

Let me remind you here too that the fiscal shortfall we have caused makes a bad situation untenable.

If the overarching rationale for shuttering the economy was to flatten the curve of infections to save the healthcare system, I can assure you that the elimination of, what was already declining, fiscal revenue, will completely devastate the healthcare system thereby rendering the flattening of the curve ultimately futile.

Posted by: guidoamm | May 17 2020 6:54 utc | 105

To blame China risks fighting the corporate sector that wants Chine for two reasons (a) to make use of the China's low labour (also energy) costs and (b) to sell to China whose consumer market is more than double that of the Republic and the EU put together, the Chinese people haven't yet acquired as many consumer goods from cars to mobile selfie sticks as have their Western counterparts, there's big money to be made there.

Hectoring China will not go down well with the corporates, they are by far more formidable opponent that the Dems, the MSM, the Clinton woman or anyone else, they create wealth, employ people. You cut China Walmart goes belly up, Apple loses its fat margins, the US is deprived of its antibiotics (the cheap stuff that no domestic US drug company want to make, no money in it.

Posted by: Baron | May 17 2020 7:03 utc | 106

Posted by: guidoamm | May 17 2020 6:54 utc | 109 Since the virus is already out, sheltering in place does nothing to stop it doing what it does.

Same old story...

What part of testing, tracing and isolating don't you people understand? Is English not your language? Is the equivalent phrase not translatable into your language?

"Too, mandating a complete shuttering of the economy till a vaccine is found is not a viable path either."

No one is recommending that. Straw argument. The recommendation is to hold the lockdown until the *testing, tracing and isolating* mechanisms - which the US *never bothered to put in place* - can be ramped up. What part of *that* don't you people comprehend?

"Even in Sweden where, like in NY and in Bergamo, the majority of fatalities have occurred in nursing homes, we are still doing nothing to protect and isolate this segment that are both victims and vectors. "

Once again... What part of *millions* of people with co-morbidites who are *all* at risk from this virus don't you people comprehend? It's not *all* elderly people with heart disease?

Sigh...same old shit...different name on the post... You might as well be fairleft... Maybe you *are* fairleft...not that it matters. The same stupid arguments put forth by the same crowd of hypocritical clowns whose only concern is their agenda.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 17 2020 7:13 utc | 107

Just watched this...

System Update with Glenn Greenwald - Is China a Competitor, an Adversary or an Enemy?

Glenn talks to Singaporean diplomat and scholar Kishore Mahbubani, author of ‘Has China Won? The Chinese Challenge to American Primacy’ and to scholar and economic researcher Matt Stoller, author of ‘Goliath - The 100-Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy’.

I'll just say that I think Mahbubani made a good case, and Stoller wasn't even close - his arguments were pretty weak and lacking evidence. I could see that Greenwald thought so, too. Of course, maybe Greenwald set it up that way, but I'm inclined to give Glenn the benefit of the doubt.

In my view, what Stoller offered was evidence that US corporate oligarchs are the problem, not so much the Chinese government. Undoubtedly the Chinese government is oppressive and probably imagines - like most "Great Powers", as Glenn kept saying - that they can export that oppression abroad one way or the other. But they're likely to discover they can't, just like everyone else who has tried to "rule the world." Might work for a while, but it invariably comes crashing down.

As Dorian Gray said in the movie, "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen": "I have lived long enough to known that empires crumble. There are no exceptions."

In my view, we have a lot more to worry about from US government oppression than Chinese oppression - especially inside the US. I highly doubt that China can export its repression to Russia, India, and many other countries even if they succeed in making a lot of countries economically dependent on them. Stoller makes the same sort of error the Russiagate clowns do when they imagine that Russia would even bother to try to "influence" the US elections in competition with the level of influence of the US political factions themselves. It's one thing to try to "influence" some Third World country, quite another to influence a competing "Great Power." The best one is likely to be able to do is trick them into making more mistakes than they are already making - which, for "Great Powers", usually isn't that hard.

Stoller also compares the reaction of China to the reaction of Muslim extremists to US behavior, claiming that China is not reacting to US behavior but initiating hostile behavior on its own, despite the fact that China has benefited from the export of US manufacturing to China. I guess he missed the Cold War - not to mention the "Yellow Peril" going all the way back to the early 20th Century and before. The US has been massively hostile to China for many, many years - with Nixon's opening up diplomacy the sole exception.

I read a text last year on the influence of anarchism in China from the days of Taoism up through the '90's, not to mention a long-time interest in Asian martial arts. So perhaps I have a more nuanced view of the Chinese government than Stoller is capable of mustering. I simply don't see any significant threat from China - unless the idiots in the US government start a which case I'll be heading for some bunker somewhere because San Francisco will be doomed.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 17 2020 7:41 utc | 108

"32 laguerre.. if pat langs site commentary is any example of fly over country, i would say trump is going to do fine.. these freaks love rolling in their own shit..

Posted by: james | May 16 2020 20:49 utc | 35"

Lang is a lifetime inside the beltway bureaucrat/elitist whose self-identity as a deplorable is laughable.

Posted by: sleepy | May 17 2020 8:07 utc | 109

China is ready to take a series of countermeasures against a US plan to block shipments of semiconductors to Chinese telecom firm Huawei, including putting US companies on an "unreliable entity list," launching investigations and imposing restrictions on US companies such as Apple, and halting purchase of Boeing airplanes, a source close to the Chinese government told the Global Times.

The potential move, the second time within two days that China has released message of hitting back against the US, also the very first time government source noted to target specific US companies, is a result of Washington's recent malicious attacks on China, which ignited a tsunami of anger among Chinese officials and in the business circle. China is mulling punitive countermeasures against US individuals and entities over COVID-19 lawsuits due to the abuse of litigation by the US side, sources close to the matter told the Global Times previously.

Posted by: Mao | May 17 2020 8:07 utc | 110

In the NOW

We were so busy running around destroying nations in the name of nation building, we didn't notice we were becoming a third-world country.

Posted by: Mao | May 17 2020 8:38 utc | 111

In a time of great confusion where so many possible scenarios of what we are seeing take place regarding the coronavirus outbreak, the origins of the virus and the severity of the pandemic, one is reminded of the quote from former CIA Director William Casey…

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

Posted by: Mao | May 17 2020 8:42 utc | 112

It won't make any difference which one of these turds wins. Americans should be protesting about ballot access laws if they want an election that matters.

Posted by: Johny Conspiranoid | May 17 2020 8:55 utc | 113

Only just in the recent past, we have been railroaded on any number of issues starting with the Pentagon accounting to Afghanistan, Iraq, Enron, Fannie Mae, TARP, Libya, Sirya, Russia, Ukraine and innumerable other occasions.

How about the award of a Nobel for peace pre-dating doing something for peace?

Institutions that are supposed to be impartial guardians of morality and justice keep getting busted doing anything but. From UNICEF and UNRWA to the West's appointment of Saudi Arabia to chair the panel that appoints human rights abuse investigators.

From a coopted press to the OPCW or the White Helmets to the UN appointing Mugabe as International Tourism Ambassador and UNICEF suppressing their own findings in Yemen because Saudi threatened to pull funding.

Russia interference in the elections, Ukraine, Skripal, Epstein or the Pentagon unable to account for US$23Trillion (with a T).

An interesting side note here is that on September 10th, 2001, Rumsfeld mentioned that, at the time, the Pentagon was unable to account for US$3Trillion (with a T). That's when, unlike today, a Trillion was a Trillion.

Should I mention CO2 or the rise of the oceans?

Once again, we are being railroaded.

Is Covid19 real?

Yes it is.

Is the situation as dire as the same people that perpetrated all the other scams want us to believe?

The evidence says it is not.

Certainly not to the extent that we should, once again, burn the village in order to save it.

Posted by: guidoamm | May 17 2020 9:03 utc | 114

I love all the people who constantly whine about getting the government out of our lives. Then something like Covid comes along and these same clowns start screaming where's the government. If one had been paying attention, it's obvious most here weren't, for every medical expert calling for lockdown plenty more were saying otherwise and it's just the flu. The finger pointers want to blame Trump for mismanagement yet why were hospitals so ill equipped? Maybe it's because they were all in hock from buying up each other and building monuments to themselves, and paying themselves handsomely in the process, as they overbuilt and overspent on expensive architecture in their hospitals and clinics. The states weren't prepared either and they passed the buck. Our system of overeducated but incompetent and overpaid MBA's sent our manufacturing to China not Trump. The Aussies exposed that once the pandemic started in China their agents went around the world buying every piece of PPE and masks that they could get their hands on while Chinese government begged for other countries to donate it to them. Italy GAVE China a bunch which China later SOLD back to them, still had the Made in Italy tags on them, when Italy got hit and was desperate for supplies. The Democrats said Trump was over reacting when he closed the borders, and other stuff the Trump haters don't want to hear, and told people to party who now say Trump was late reacting while the whole time offering only criticism and zero offers to help. It's just easier to blame Trump and parrot the Trump haters instead of doing the real research. Like printing trash from FT because it fits your agenda.

One of the great informed commenters was paveway iv. He quit commenting on ZH because the comments really went downhill with huge amounts of ignorance on display. He came over this site but hasn't been seen for quite awhile. After reading such a huge amount of appalling ignorant conspiracy laden bunk posted here for quite awhile I can see why he's gone from Moon.

Posted by: snedly arkus | May 17 2020 9:11 utc | 115

Let us not forget the mainstream media for 3 years breathlessly extoled that Trump was Putin's puppet. After years with a staff chock full of Democrat loyalists and Hillary lovers Mueller came up empty. His testimony to Congress was a huge blow to Russiagate as he admitted there was nothing there but it was spun into Mueller the hero who unmasked Trump. The ignorant lapped it up. Those that were convicted were just casualties of the witch hunt and had nothing to do with Trump and Russia. Or recently AG Barr was interviewed and asked about dropping the charges against Flynn. ABC showed the entire clip but NBC, and picked up by other outlets, cut the clip only playing enough to fit their agenda and making Barr, the Justice Dept, the government, and by inference Trump look bad. This is far from the first time it's been done. Point is you know you have been lied to by these outlets time after time yet from the majority of comments here you are still stupid enough to believe what they feed you and like good sheep being led to slaughter.

Posted by: snedly arkus | May 17 2020 9:36 utc | 116

41,Tsar Nicolas,47 frankie p.

We should ask ourselves once and for all,why we are willing to hand over so easily the sovereignty of our bodies to authoritarians that happen to be doctors.Healing is an art,not a science.It has like economy and theology very small base to maintain itself.It depends largely on the personality of the medic.I say fuck off doctors with all the fearmongering useless information that you bombard us with for some forty years now (since they started openheart operations on every sunday evening television),I'll call you when I think it is necessary and I'll just ignore you until that moment comes....

Posted by: willie | May 17 2020 9:50 utc | 117

re Helena Cobban | May 16 2020 19:53 utc | 18

Sorry Ms Cobban, but there will be an election in November, have no doubt of that. However like every other amerikan election I have had the displeasure of witnessing (ie since 1968 - prior to that I was too young, though reading history since has indicated I didn't miss a thing), the 'will of the people' will not decide the result.

Maybe 2020 will be an even worse farce than usual, it is impossible to tell yet. History suggests that creepy Joe, a born loser if there ever was one, will be outta contention (in media-land though, as per instruction, well subscribed 'news' outlets will beat it up alleging it to be a close race) long before November.
He (Biden) brings absolutely nothing positive to the table. A proven crook, sexual violator and racist, he fails to challenge any of trump's biggest liabilities. Those liabilities are the ones the media has deemed most important, then persuaded Jo/Joe Citizens that is the case, so one must conclude he has been set up to lose as anyone with half a brain would have arseholed Biden after Iowa.

Since we know Biden to be such a slimy self-serving piece of excrement that even if measured against a more objective, more relevant set of criteria, Joe would still be far short of orange arsehole his nomination must be a planned fail. They may all be greedy, but bot all of them are as stupid as a rock.

It is now the time for naifs to wail, "Why, why, why"?
Creepy Joe is incapable of stringing two or more words together into a coherent sentence when it matters - that is why. One can only assume that trump's wily decision to cease punishing known democrat fortune 500 backers has paid off.

The Clinton & Biden backers aren'y holding back, they will still tip cash into the dem portion of the Empire War Party, despite having maneuvered a scummy lowlife incapable of winning a bar raffle into the dem nomination. That is part of the 'loser tax' any underwriter of an unsuccessful candidate is forced to pay. keep movin' nothing to see here.

The Dem party owners know that when orange moron has to finally pull the pin, that it will then be a dem's turn, if they continue to keep the band of dem grifters alive, they will eventually garner a great return - quarterly stats be buggered. Until then they must toss wedges to both gangs.

Posted by: A User | May 17 2020 9:55 utc | 118

China started the epidemic. Covered it up. China didnt tell the world about the severity. Banned travel from Hubei province to the rest of China but ALLOWED TRAVEL FROM WUHAN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD to spread the seed. China cut flight from China in 1/31 while the WHO was still denying human to human spread. On Feb 29, Fauci said that Americans had nothing to worry about at that time. And on and on.. And yet you blame Trump. Has TDS driven you that fucking insane?

Posted by: WJ | May 17 2020 12:21 utc | 119

It is possible that both die of Covid-19 and Killary becomes president..Or Dementia Biden survive and beat Trump because at this point even a corpse can beat Teeeeerump..

Posted by: Nick | May 17 2020 12:22 utc | 120


I expect that if China had not allowed US citizens to leave Wuhan you would be screaming in all caps that China had kidnapped US citizens.

Posted by: jinn | May 17 2020 12:29 utc | 121

"China started the epidemic. Covered it up. China didnt tell the world about the severity. Banned travel from Hubei province to the rest of China but ALLOWED TRAVEL FROM WUHAN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD to spread the seed. China cut flight from China in 1/31 while the WHO was still denying human to human spread. On Feb 29, Fauci said that Americans had nothing to worry about at that time. And on and on.. And yet you blame Trump. Has TDS driven you that fucking insane?

Posted by: WJ | May 17 2020 12:21 utc | 121"

Covered it up? Perhaps but western '5-eyes' intelligence was well aware of the coming danger. Covered up? The Chinese were building 1000 bed ICU hospitals while the west looked on agape, agog, watching time lapsed video. The writing was on the wall, many many others heard and saw this train coming. BY the time it hit Italy as hard as it did it was too late. Western leaders Johnson, Trudeau, Trump chose to ignore what was unfolding right before us and follow untested and unproven science.

Posted by: Gravatomic | May 17 2020 12:37 utc | 122

interesting article and comments too.

From my vantage point, it sure looks hard to tell anything at the moment.

For Trump winning:
* conflict with China (a potentially decisive political boost IMO, and a bad idea)
* vindication on Russiagate/Obamagate
* the ongoing implosion of Biden's image
* Democrats refusing to campaign on health care
* the possibility that swing states escape the virus relatively unscathed, again vindicating Trump. (ny/nj etc doesn't figure into the electoral college strategy)
* the possibility that in-person organizing remains shut down into the fall (however this would contradict the previous point)

For Biden winning
* in actual reality Trump has no business being an elected leader, he's just there because he wasn't Clinton. Biden isn't Clinton too.
* the Trump administration dropped the ball on virus. there is ample evidence already and more will come in the election. If states like PA continue with many more virus cases, I think it would cost Trump many votes.
* the Trump admin. has little control over the country as evidenced by states taking visible action while the feds are visibly useless
* the real world economy is going to get hit with massive unemployment. this able would be decisive, usually

Posted by: ptb | May 17 2020 13:49 utc | 123

People who were once called patriotic are now smeared as FAR RIGHT, this constant vilification makes people with conservative values now feel like rebels and as the angry victims, just like the LGBT and other pseudo - minorities

Angry victims who now with a bad economy are becoming desperate and with plenty of time on their hands are able to become active just like the other side who has been constantly doing the massive finger poking.

So due to this simple calculus Trump has a great chance of winning.

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | May 17 2020 15:00 utc | 124

Look, stop fretting all you Trump bootlickers and whitewashers. We've all since discovered that Israel, via subterfuge with the help of several Zionist billionaires helped elect the Chosen Orange One and you know they'll pull a kosher rabbit out of a hat again, but in case their plans, by some miracle go awry, Ziofascist Trump can always in a landslide replace Netanyahoo whose popularity waned somewhat in Israel.

Posted by: Circe | May 17 2020 15:04 utc | 125

@guidoamm, May 17 6:54

I note too that the one thing we should be doing, we are not.

Even in Sweden where, like in NY and in Bergamo, the majority of fatalities have occurred in nursing homes, we are still doing nothing to protect and isolate this segment that are both victims and vectors.

Yes, nursing homes are vectors because we have not isolated the facility nor, indeed, have we isolated the people working in these facilities.

That is something which is puzzling me. Real quarantine measures would have meant that residents and carers were isolated and so protected. Why put the whole of society into house arrest but not protect the elderly and the sick who are vulnerable to the virus? This may not have been the goal but what it looks like is state sponsored euthanasia.

Posted by: cirsium | May 17 2020 15:32 utc | 126

Posted by: Mao | May 17 2020 8:38 utc | 111

In the NOW

Thank you, thank you Mao, you're in good company, When I first came to RT, one of the key RT anchor news reader was Thabang Motsei from S Africa she had since passed away, Martin Abby left so has Tim Kirby, Marina Portnaya and she Gayane Chichakyan was an excellent questioner in John Kerry’s States Department News briefing and finally never missed any Anissa Naouai and Rania Khalek shows... Oh I hates Thom Hartmann he's awful, diehard NeoLiberal Obama shithead finally quit.

Anissa Naouai - Why are so many kids poor in the world's most powerful nations?

"We were so busy running around destroying nations in the name of nation building, we didn't notice we were becoming a third-world country."

Posted by: JC | May 18 2020 7:31 utc | 127

Posted by: restless94110 | May 18 2020 15:41 utc | 128

There is no "Wuhan virus", but there are SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 viruses. You should take Trump sound advice and introduce by any means disinfectants such as Lysol into your body to clear any "Wuhan virus" that might have got into your body... Trump repeatedly boasted he's the smartest and surrendered by extremely smart people... and you're one of them

Oh BTW I'm a Chinese. a real Chinese and am proud to be one.

PS: restless94110 post was removed just before I completed my draft replied..

Posted by: JC | May 18 2020 16:21 utc | 128

- The longer the Democrats haven't got their act together the more likely it will be that Trump will be re-elected.

- "Dollar collapse" had a very interesting article on how the Democrats 'are losing it" (with 2 videos).

The Democrats are entering into a "Civil War" ???????

Posted by: Willy2 | May 18 2020 16:23 utc | 129

Posted by: Anon | May 19 2020 10:50 utc | 130

Disgusting is your nickname(Qanon follower of pizza gate and adrenochrome scum aka spyop for dummies?) disgusting is the usa corporation and all the circus that dumbs yankes fuel everyday supporting ziontrump or the demented joe..disgusting is the history of a country born upon the ashes of native people..disgusting is the american life standard compared to what usa produce..and what you find disgusting is the left wing.

Posted by: LuBa | May 19 2020 15:38 utc | 130

This analysis is flawed.
As I have pointed out repeatedly, the economic damage is primarily caused by the lockdowns.
The lockdowns are mandated by state governments, not Trump. Trump has never ordered a lockdown, nor could he, just as he has no power to lift them.
And while it is absolutely true that economic damage would have occurred anyway, the reality is that it is the PMCs in the upper echelons of society and government which are most in favor of the lockdowns even as the blue collar hourly are the worst affected.
Trump will have sent these blue collar a $1200 check with his signature on it; the CARES act has provided extra cash to some businesses and all of the unemployed.
Yes, these don’t make anyone whole. But it is both immensely more than what Obama did post GFC and is something even as Trump calls for reopening in the face of blue state/urban/PMC opposition (right or wrong).

Just as the red shirt works ( and Trump has been beating up on China since well before nCOV), so does “Its not my fault, it’s theirs (points elsewhere)

Posted by: c1ue | May 20 2020 16:01 utc | 131

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