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May 03, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-35

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

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Other issues:

Meta:

Since this blog did not join other sites in explaining the Coronavirus pandemic as a manufactured crisis it has been inundated with trollish comments. While some came from the usual subjects (donkeytale/disabuser, information agent/troothsayer) most were by first time commentators who posted scientifically false claims about the virus or insulted regular commentators and me.

During the last weeks I had to block 39 accounts for spreading 'corona nonsense', 57 for 'insults' and 20 for nonsensical 'one-liner' comments. Additional comments were deleted for posting links to bullshit from Veterans Today, Zero Hedge or Youtube quacks who peddled nonsense.

That may well be seen as 'censorship' but I see it as a matter of hygiene. The comments are supposed to be a place for discussing reality and not for peddling fringe therapies that may well kill people or for screaming at each other.

North Korea:

The country is famous for resurrecting its dead people. Kim Yong Un is just the latest of a long list of folks that 'western media' declared dead based on CIA rumors only to then reappeared.

Syria/Iraq:

April 27 - US occupation transport another patch of Daesh terrorists from Hasaka to Iraq - SANA
May 2 - Isis mounts deadly assault on Iraqi militia members near Samarra - Guardian
May 3 - Iranian proxies in Iraq blame US for ISIS attacks - Jerusalem Post

Venezuela:

The CIA wants you to know that it had absolutely nothing to do with the Venezuelan version of the Bay of Pigs disaster.
Ex-Green Beret led failed attempt to oust Venezuela’s Maduro - AP

Election:

FBI documents hint Israeli collusion with Trump 2016 campaign - Israel-Palestine-News

Culture:

Virtual visits to Russian museums, concerts, ballets etc.
Best (Russian) cultural experiences without leaving the house

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on May 3, 2020 at 13:13 UTC | Permalink

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Many thanks for your input, Paora @ 95. I was particularly taken by the free exchange of ideas at the essay's commentary section, though not having been aware of all that you mention. I even had to go to my computer to find out what exactly MMP is, "Mixed Member Proportional" a very interesting double vote between party and local representative. It seems to me that in the Parliamentary system the need for coalitions is a good thing, with party representatives filling in the extra positions in proportion to how that vote falls. That is quite a lot for voters to think about! I'm of course looking at it from the outside, but I was impressed that a good dialogue with courtesy but vibrancy was being maintained in the comments. I did send the link to relatives in New Zealand.

It will be interesting to watch what happens.

Posted by: juliania | May 4 2020 2:18 utc | 101

Lizard @ 103:

Thanks for the compliment - I'm very chuffed!

Posted by: Jen | May 4 2020 2:20 utc | 102

Likklemore at 25:

South Korea scientists conclude people cannot be infected twice

"Researchers at the South Korean centre for disease control and prevention (CDC) now say it is impossible for the COVID-19 virus to reactivate in human bodies. ...

"South Korea's CDC has found that the test results for the suspected relapsed patients were false positives, and warned the test it used was not able to distinguish between live traces of the virus and the harmless dead samples which remain after patients have recovered."

Preliminary results had misled the WHO, which announced PREMATURELY that you can be infected twice. The correction hasn't been trumpeted by the WHO or 98% of the media. Par for the course in this scamdemic (c).

Posted by: fairleft | May 4 2020 2:36 utc | 103

Concerning lockdown and a set of preventive measures that do not include the lockdown, I am inclined to the latter. Belarus is similar to Russia in many aspects, starting from the population that in majority speaks Russian. They use roughly same testing method, and I suspect similar medical practices. Unlike Russia where the authorities spent years accumulating large reserve funds, Belarus lacks such funds. They spent a better part of January trying to get a better deal on oil supplies from Russia, and finally settled on new conditions for loans on nuclear power station (after they made a deal with RosAtom, Hungarians got a better deal). Thus Belorus, while similar to Russia in many aspects, could not afford to stop economic activities.

The end result is so far the same as in Russia, or minutely "worse", but Russia has big regional variations.

However, testing, tracking, quarantines for infected and travelers seem to be necessary.


One should bear in mind that a collapse economy presents many health risks. Big or rich countries can apply Keynesian schemes to recover from a collapse, but others would get hyperinflation trying something like that.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 4 2020 3:19 utc | 104

Pft | May 4 2020 1:52 utc | 105

It's the strongest indication of b's bias that he has always ignored the strong association of age and co-morbidity with Covid-19 mortality rates. Here's what he doesn't want to admit: Based on the available data, for below 50s without certain co-morbidities Covid-19 is about as dangerous as the flu. That admission leads to the further admission that he was wrong and the lockdown is nuts.

"Increased age was a strong predictor of in-hospital mortality after adjusting for comorbidity: (reference age<50yrs) 50-69yrs Hazard ratio (HR) 4.02 (Confidence interval (CI) 2.88, 5.63, p<0.001), 70-79yrs HR 9.59 (CI 6.89, 13.34, p<0.001), >=80yrs HR 13.59 (CI 9.79, 18.85, p<0.001).... Comorbidities reported at admission were also associated with increased hospital mortality."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076042v1.full.pdf

Posted by: fairleft | May 4 2020 3:29 utc | 105

Mµ #88

Comments ?

Great post Mu, made the day. George Carlin is given a good clip there at around 49:00 ish. That is a mighty strong movie. The dialog around the nazi dagger was astounding.

I am reminded of the fact that Les Wexner and Ghislane Maxwell are still roaming around, free as birds and no one will lay a finger on them. Truly evil.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 3:33 utc | 106

@Lou Kingston 109

when only one out of a hundred commenters are mouthing off a-la flat earther it's often just amusement for us, easily handled by the forum's regular health system. when that number goes up substantially it's becomes an epidemic and the supression strategy is rightly called for. I for one applaud b's proactivity and being generous with his time to care. do you want a lock down instead?

on comparing death numbers vs past years:
too early to call. yes on some countries the deaths to date is higher but what's not to say some are just brought forward? stfu and let the numbers tell the story. the answer will only come in time. again its not a race and there's no prize on backing the right horse the earliest. we're all guessing and that's that.

on immunity:
285/285 is a damn impressive batting average any way you look at it. there are enough recovered patients everywhere i would expect there will be more similar studies published.

on intelligence dossiers:
bring it on, if there's something to table then let's see it. all cock tease otherwise. citing multiple agencies is just simple psyops like it's somehow more certain, it's all apparatus of the same administration. the apparatus that can only maintain its relevance and funding by pointing fingers at others. its "highly likely" the only intelligence they are referring to is the lack of such their population seem to possess by eating it up (from a source). WMD much?

on meat processing plants:
aren't they meant to be all garbed up with masks on? what are they doing during lunch breaks? is there a cluster within these processors or it's just a reflection of wider community spread?

on lung damage:
done crackpots are saying even mild cases have lasting lung damage. puullease.... mild cases need no substantial supportive care and mainly just rest. stop spreading bs and gtfo.

on masks and community hygiene:
Hong Kong is a city with a 7.5mil people in highly density living, there's social distancing but no lockdown. 4 deaths on a touch over 1000 cases most of which are imported from the west after the lull at 3xx cases. masks and community hygiene works. you don't need n95/p2. only 1 in a hundred people I see wears one. but it only works when everybody is also doing the same.

Posted by: A.L. | May 4 2020 4:09 utc | 107

tagesspiegel (de) mooted, I think most remarkably, "Die USA sind auf dem Weg zu einem „failed state“ Die politische Klasse korrupt, die Wirtschaft herzlos, die Öffentlichkeit gespalten: In den USA hat der Populismus gewonnen. Ein Komment

Yes, it may be as they say, but if so, it is all the more astonishing that they speak of it...


"On the path to becoming a failed state."

Oh dear!

In fact, it may be that the failure was long ago, but now they have noticed the smell.

Posted by: Walter | May 4 2020 4:10 utc | 108

fairleft's repeated messages, simplified:

I care so so much (so much!) about the working class so I implore you all to accept the health risks from this new virus that showed up 4 months ago. And also please ignore that the people that matter are too cheap to do what's right and that Big Pharma will make a bundle from your suffering.

Oh and one more thing: it's all b's fault.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 4 2020 4:17 utc | 109

arby #50

Thank you for the Vitchek link. A global champion.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 4:34 utc | 110

It's amazing to see people act like it being deadly mainly for the elderly is just no big deal. Are we supposed to put the elderly in the equivalent of leper colonies, away from the more vitally aged demographics? Are we supposed to tell them, "sorry, but if yearly GDP growth isn't a positive number, the money will feel sad, so you've got to take one for the team"? And that's aside the fact that people who already have it shitty, like those suffering from chronic illnesses, are also very likely to pass away due to covid-19 and its complications regardless of their age cohort. What kind of monster puts 2% annual GDP growth before the lives of hundreds of thousands who are faced with premature death? There are ways to mitigate and reverse the damage to individuals that comes with an economic downturn - economic downturns are, after all, purely social creations, and can be alleviated with purely social interventions. You can always make work for people out of work. You can not undo death from disease.

To call to re-open things this early is to put the interests of capital before the interests of living human beings, and that is profoundly anti-human. Those anxious about Bill Gates should look at the toll their desired course of action is going to have, and demonstrably does have. Most of them are in denial about the seriousness of what's facing us. Many just have a plain old petit-bourgeois consciousness, and let their capital and petty investments do their thinking for them, which of course always comes out in favor of the capital and investments no matter how many human lives are on the other side of the balance. Working people, however, have no interest whatsoever in working under hazardous conditions. What's missing is the conscious self-organization of the working class to assert this interest, and this is not helped by the existence of conspiracy theorists who sell a commodified image of "anti-establishment" politics to their audiences, who trickle onto comment sections like these.

Posted by: fnord | May 4 2020 4:38 utc | 111

arby #50

The take away quote from Wang Yi:

China’s National People’s Congress has never introduced any bill on the internal affairs of the United States. However, the US Congress has reviewed and adopted one bill after another that blatantly interferes in China’s internal affairs. China has never sent its military vessels and aircraft to the neighborhood of the United States to flex muscles, yet the US naval ships and airplanes have been flexing muscles at China’s doorsteps. China has never sanctioned any US businesses. On the contrary, we welcome US businesses to invest in China, and we have provided them with a sound business environment. However, the United States has tried every opportunity and means to suppress Chinese companies. It has introduced unilateral sanctions against Chinese companies by exercising long-arm jurisdiction, and tried to limit China’s development rights. So talking about threat, it is not that China is threatening the US, but the US is threatening China.

That is the fundamental bottom line in our real world. Enough of USA imperialism.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 4:58 utc | 112

James @ 92:

If the current lockdown in some European countries kills off Coldplay and U2, because they need to play live to support their lifestyles and (in U2's case) "activism", then that's one good consequence for which I'd be grateful.

I pity some genres of music where group playing is essential eg symphonic / orchestral music and chamber music, jazz and some forms of metal, although in the case of the last, musicians can be surprisingly resilient and inventive: solo metal projects where one person plays all the instruments in his (sometimes her) own studio (often a bedroom or a garage) are popular throughout the world.

Posted by: Jen | May 4 2020 5:00 utc | 113

Jackrabbit | May 4 2020 4:17 utc | 116

No, I just want b to recognize the statistical fact that the virus is similar to the flu for healthy under-50s, and the policy implications: the benefit of lockdowns or semi-lockdowns, especially for the 'can't work at home' folks, goes down near zero as the infection mortality rate goes down. The cost of lockdowns is very very high for most of the working poor and other common folk.

I'm pretty sure everyone here loves the working class.

Posted by: fairleft | May 4 2020 5:07 utc | 114

from Arby:

b has obviously been stuffed in the proverbial suitcase and some dipshit at some intelligence shop is running this blog and is probably blown away by how gullible the majority of the posters here actually are.

From Lou Kingston:

Arby, you're a fucking retard.

Posted by: Lou Kingston | May 4 2020 2:51 utc | 109

Who cares, we are here chatting away at the bar, trading beers or arak the odd bout of arm wrestling and fantastic links to mind food.

This thread has been littered with GREAT GEMS.

Trading conspiracy theories and facts is the stuff of MoA. see outofshadows dot org for therapy.

So thanks b and if you can poke a straw out from the suitcase I will give you a bottle of arak or tequila to sip on.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 5:08 utc | 115

PS I found b here

Note: the CIA left the key in the lock. He looks thirsty.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 5:16 utc | 116

Posted by: fnord | May 4 2020 4:38 utc | 118

Your comment reads like a synthetic distillation of the concern-trolling version of the pro-government campaign of lies. Bill Gates' malign record around the globe starting but unfortunately not ending with Microsoft itself is self-evident, and today he openly expresses his global totalitarian vision.

Of course your Coronavirus is a pure product of your beloved globalization, and the media campaign of mass psychological terrorism dovetails with your pandemic as the system's ultimate attempt to continue to force this Mammon-based globalization system upon all the world's people, permanently ending all protest movements against it, permanently ending all real politics and democracy as such.

It's amazing to see people act like it being deadly mainly for the elderly is just no big deal.

We're the ones who always have advocated shielding the elderly. You advocate the lockdown system which has done nothing to shield them, which on the contrary has, systematically and apparently deliberately, opened a sluice gate for the virus into every hospital and nursing home.

Nowhere in the West, nor most other places affected, have lockdowns protected the vulnerable. Everywhere they go hand in hand with the vulnerable being decimated in any institution where your society decided to cram them in the first place (a whole other realm of your system's malignity).

So it's clear that it's you police-state lockdownists that are happy to sacrifice the aged and vulnerable. And how else could you have had it, if you wanted this terror campaign and the lockdown of the population in the first place? You certainly can't get your heavily manipulated mortality numbers anywhere else.

Are we supposed to put the elderly in the equivalent of leper colonies, away from the more vitally aged demographics? Are we supposed to tell them, "sorry, but if yearly GDP growth isn't a positive number, the money will feel sad, so you've got to take one for the team"?

Oh no, we're supposed to force all of humanity into one big leper colony and destroy the lives of the vitally aged demographics. It's all of humanity who wasn't already at death's door to whom the likes of you are saying, "sorry, but since anti-globalist, and even anti-capitalist ideas and protest action are getting out of hand, you've got to take one for the team."

As for the rest of your concern-trolling and crocodile tears, it's becoming more evident by the day that the lockdowns themselves are going to end up causing more death and suffering than the virus. Abolishing cancer screenings, regular appointments and check-ups, terrorizing people suffering heart trouble and stroke symptoms into not seeking medical care, these "measures" have done nothing to protect the vulnerable, but they certainly will kill (I'd say murder) vast numbers.

Then there's increased mental illness, despair, suicide, domestic violence, child abuse, and the overall destruction of all human well-being, sociability, and trust.

All these are what the elites, their "scientific" hacks, and all the authoritarian-follower bootlicks want to see.

And to say again, and it should be said again and again and again, your lockdowns have protected NO ONE, but already have greatly harmed vast numbers, in every human way imaginable. That's because the entire terror and lockdown campaign is radically anti-human and dedicated to destroying whatever part of humanity hadn't already been destroyed by the Mammon-based sociopathic civilization itself.

Posted by: Russ | May 4 2020 5:41 utc | 117

Well,
if Covid comes and gets me, I want these guys to bring me to my hole in the ground.
Dancing Pallbearers

Posted by: lex talionis | May 4 2020 6:04 utc | 118

I wonder what this will do to the housing market over the next few years?

Posted by: Haasaan | May 4 2020 6:33 utc | 119

Russ #124

Thank you Russ, maybe Je Suis Leper can be the anthem. I am happy to do precautionary principle and all that jazz but I fear there is an immense hidden toll here and we are being gamed. Note most capitalist governments are locking down the populace and passing legislation to enforce police statism and capitalist bailouts for the rich. The people just supine in their acceptance.

Now the capitalist governments are chanting WAR with China. Wake the F UP.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 7:04 utc | 120

Jen #107

Thanks for the compliment - I'm very chuffed!

Link kaput, can you try that again. I don't want to miss a fine retort.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 7:09 utc | 121

Uncle Tungsten @ 128:

It wasn't anything special, just one of those "aw shucks" embarrassed emoji faces.

Posted by: Jen | May 4 2020 7:18 utc | 122

Haasaan #126

I wonder what this will do to the housing market over the next few years?

With all those trillions that the banks just received from the Fed, they will buy up all those default mortgages and then pass them on as a bundled debt obligation to the venture capitalists who will then evict the mortgaged families through a new company called Covid Vacant Possessions (listed on the NYSE) will be staffed from the ranks of desperate workers to throw people out.

The new listed company shares will be invested in by all those desperate pension funds etc.

The houses will remain vacant so that the rentier class is saved from dropping rents in tough times.

Such is capitalism.

Such is the markets compassion.

See how the free market works for us all.

A rising market lifts all ships and a falling one leaves the rich high and dry.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 7:19 utc | 123

Uncle Tungsten @ 123:

Oh my, the CIA left B to read a stack of Terry Pratchett novels in Russian-language translation. They must have thought they were full of more nasty schemes to hack into the DNC's email servers and insert more disinformation material.

Posted by: Jen | May 4 2020 7:22 utc | 124

It was jolly decent, and honest, of Pepe to point the finger of blame for the World's ills at the White Supremacist (fake) Christians. And all without mentioning GREED and/or INSANITY - very diplomatic. Perhaps next time he's marking their scorecard he'll find the time & space to point out that Jews invented Jesus and Christianity for the squabbling farm animals. They also wrote the Holy Bible, with Jews in starring roles and handed down the Ten Commandments, liberally sprinkled with blokey misogyny and rabid endorsement of servitude and slave ownership.

And it worked! 2000 years on, women are still 2nd class citizens and much cheaper to employ as servants than blokes in the not very 'Christian' West.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 4 2020 7:36 utc | 125

Jen #131

Damnation its those 🇷🇺📨⛏️

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 7:41 utc | 126

Walter #100

Boris and Natasha, Goof Gas @ YT...Perfect description, no doubt potsyilvanaia is the evil doer...

There is a chance that hashishistan is aiming too high there.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 8:17 utc | 127

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 7:04 utc | 120

I fear there is an immense hidden toll here and we are being gamed. Note most capitalist governments are locking down the populace and passing legislation to enforce police statism and capitalist bailouts for the rich. Now the capitalist governments are chanting WAR with China. Wake the F UP.

I expect that as more people do wake up, or at least become fed up enough that they become angry and start to push back against the lockdowns, the government will:

1. Try to use anti-China propaganda to redirect the anger, in addition to redirecting it against the usual domestic suspects.

2. Drum up war fever as a pressure-valve release for what surely must be a general rising social discontent, stress, fear, and every kind of pent up energy.

The people just supine in their acceptance.

Having just said the above, so far literally everyone I know personally looks supine. They've regressed to an infantile state and have zero consciousness beyond the most abject, slavish belief in the media and obedience to whatever it says.

And then there's the Little Hitlers squirming out of their slime-holes, leadership figures in various local clubs and organizations who have eagerly assumed the role of deputy propagandists and scolds. I bet they'd be orgasmic if the state gave them crackerjack-box badges.

Posted by: Russ | May 4 2020 9:42 utc | 128

Just a sample of "other" news today.

Venezuela
Venezuelan journalist, Patricia Poleo, reveals a contract signed by Guaidó with a mercenary who claims a military incursion against Venezuela . As signed with military contractor of U.S. Jordan Goudreau, Guaido would pay $ 212 million to overthrow Nicolás Maduro.
(They say one person captured was a DEA member.)

India Pakistan
Source 2nd hand; There is "war-like situation" at LoC with both India and Pakistan armies engaging in very heavy shelling throughout the night and into the morning.

Baltic
The Russian Navy's Northern Fleet is tracking the activities of a NATO battle group that crossed into the Barents Sea on Monday morning, the National Defence Operations Centre said in a statement.
The statement says that the group includes three US Naval destroyers, the Porter, the Donald Cook and the Franklin Roosevelt, as well as the Kent, a British frigate.
The USS Porter and Donald Cook destroyers are equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles and Aegis missile defence system. The ships are usually permanently deployed in Europe at the Spanish military base in Rota.

Back to "war as usual"? Have a nice day.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 4 2020 10:02 utc | 129

USA : People Need FOOD, WE’RE STARVING!

https://astutenews.com/2020/05/03/america-send-food-were-starving/

Queues up to six miles long have become common at these pop-up collection points
as far afield as San Antonio, Las Vegas, and Cleveland, where thousands of recently furloughed and unemployed people wait hours for grocery boxes.”

The scene is San Antonio, Texas. No, its not a gun show or football game, those
6000 cars are waiting in line for free food. Yes, the cars look new, How can 35
million people in a nation awash with cash, a nation with a massive and bloated
military, a government that drops bails of cash to its terrorist and druglord allies around the world, how can that nation allow its people to starve?

ALSO...

Dissident British ex-diplomat Craig Murray indicted for blog posts in Kafkaesque
case
https://www.newcoldwar.org/dissident-british-ex-diplomat-craig-murray-indicted-
for-blog-posts-in-kafkaesque-case/
Craig Murray, a former UK diplomat turned anti-war activist, has been charged with contempt of court for writing blog posts. He faces a possible two years in jail, with no jury and no freedom of speech defense permitted.

SouthFront’s YouTube channel is banned
https://www.newcoldwar.org/southfronts-youtube-channel-is-banned/
On April 30 South Front’s Facebook and YouTube channels have been deleted
without any warnings or an opportunity to file an appeal.

No, The US Isn't Going To Dump India Over Its Atrocious Treatment Of Minorities
http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1443

This stunningly detailed timeline of Trump’s failures shows America’s coronavirus
crisis was a man-made disaster Printer friendly page Print This
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_87566.shtml

Blaming The Victim Is The West's Latest Infowar Tactic Against China
http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1440

Lancet Editor Praises China, Slams Western Mishandling of COVID-19 Outbreaks
https://www.globalresearch.ca/lancet-editor-praises-china-slams-western-
mishandling-covid-19-outbreaks/5711592

Posted by: Ashino | May 4 2020 10:09 utc | 130

This is what its all about.
Reuters

Now, economic destruction and the massive U.S. coronavirus death toll are driving a government-wide push to move U.S. production and supply chain dependency away from China, even if it goes to other more friendly nations instead, current and former senior U.S. administration officials said.

“We’ve been working on [reducing the reliance of our supply chains in China] over the last few years but we are now turbo-charging that initiative,” Keith Krach, undersecretary for Economic Growth, Energy and the Environment at the U.S. State Department told Reuters.

Like Albright says "It will be worth it."
Trump says up to 100,000 Americans may die from coronavirus


Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2020 10:10 utc | 131

Following from my @128 and tying it all together, part of the purpose of the terror campaign and lockdowns is to drum up a cause for war against China which the Western world at least will pay obeisance to, and to prime the people by panicking, shell-shocking and angering them, so that all that negative energy can be directed toward war fever in a context of deepening economic depression and immiseration.

(The economic depression was imminent, the terror/lockdown campaign was launched in part to make it look like the bug caused the depression, provide the China scapegoat, and step up the process of liquidating what's left of the people's economic position and plundering what's left of their assets.)

Posted by: Russ | May 4 2020 10:22 utc | 132

@ uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 3:33 utc | 106

Great post Mu, made the day. George Carlin is given a good clip there at around 49:00 ish. That is a mighty strong movie. The dialog around the nazi dagger was astounding.

...

1)
thank you; very glad I could reciprocate,
at least a tiny contribution,
to the many of your insightful posts

2)
yes; I also vehemently appreciated George Carlin's well known maxim
"~they don't give a F about you"

3)
unfortunately, the #88 post was axed

4)
perhaps I may most humbly suggest the 1:17 video below [trust me]
regarding insane greed, in the spirit of George:


"I was wondering what I would do if I had 263 million dollars: ..."

Ball Washer


source/context:

Black on Broadway (from 42:30-to-45:30)

PS: plz, only most humbly/kindly request confirm receipt of above

à bientôt
MegaMicro

Posted by: Mµ | May 4 2020 10:30 utc | 133

Russ says:

They've regressed to an infantile state...

as things start to 'reopen' masks are ubiquitous, the vast majority of which are the cheapest kind that offer minimal protection, not to mention that many of them are worn covering only the mouth, not the nose. disposable plastic gloves are everywhere, including in the gutter, and now many previously convivial transactions are conducted from opposing sides of a sheet of plexiglas.

insignificant nuances? dunno...

the truth is everywhere at once, though largely unseen, like dust motes, only illuminated when captured in an oblique ray of sunshine, where they become magical, those ♬♪million bright ambassadors of morning♫♪ as it were...

but i digress.

Posted by: john | May 4 2020 10:37 utc | 134

@Peter AU1 | May 4 2020 10:10 utc | 131
So presumably the Tesla "gigafactory" just built in Shanghai will be closed? I don't think the left hand knows what the right hand is doing.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 4 2020 10:42 utc | 135

Thank you, fairleft. I'm staying careful but I hope you are correct. That's a comforting study and there's no harm in wanting it to be so as long as we don't take risks. We need positive information so I'm grateful to you for that.

It's very hard on closed communities of the elder folk right now, so please be kind in comments. Think of those in confinement, even in prisons. They are readers of what we write. I'm sure they would love to be kept in mind in a good way. And you will feel better as well. It's really pointless to keep arguing the issues and placing blame; this is not about who's smarter than anyone else. I'm sure there are some young folk who can't help pulling our chains, but if so, just ignore that and perhaps they will learn from the general tone. b sets a good example patiently doing his housekeeping; that cannot be easy.

It's about caring and staying safe, whoever you are, and young folk, you can also be at risk if your cumulative postings incite your aggressive feelings. This virus is a nasty one; it homes in on violent thoughts. It is far better for all you intemperate ones to stay as calm as possible. It builds on intemperance. Be calm. Thanks, you can do it.

I know the US government is setting a cruddy example but we don't have to be like them. Choose serenity. For your own sake, not only for us who post and read your posts. And whatever solutions folk can find that make a positive difference, that's what we should be looking for, not badmouthing our host here who is doing his best to keep us informed. How does that good intention harm anyone? It doesn't! And the times do call for us to listen to the angels of our better natures and not be dismissive of that or seek to rile folk up because you are right and we are wrong. We are not wrong to want you to be safe and to want to be safe ourselves. It's a scary time, of course it is. We will get through it. This is the hard part. We will get through it.

Thank you, b.

Posted by: juliania | May 4 2020 10:43 utc | 136

Good post, fnord @ 111. Thank you.

Posted by: juliania | May 4 2020 10:56 utc | 137

john 133

The most morbid covid-cases are those who wear masks outdoors with no one near or alone in their cars. These clearly have become fully demented by the terror campaign and regressed to medieval belief in the miasma, that the air itself is going to poison them. This at a time when the air is the cleanest it's been in our lives. That's their extreme aversion to purification. That's the dark age "science" the media terror campaign seeks to instill in everyone. That's the superstition which is supposed to become the basis of a totalitarian regime. I don't know for a fact, but I'd bet money there's households where the husband, wife, and kids all wear masks 24/7 against one another and sequester in separate sealed rooms.

Same for the reactionary attack on outdoor recreation, a return to medieval doctrine that preached plague victims should be sealed in stifling air-tight darkened rooms because fresh air and sunlight were poisonous. There again we see the ideology of the lockdowns: "You're safest at home...", "You're safest indoors...", "Don't breathe the air, it's poisoned..." That's the gold standard of lockdownist science and medicine. The rest of their prescriptions are on the same level.

Posted by: Russ | May 4 2020 11:01 utc | 138

I see US has a bio warfare lab in Phnom Penh. Not that far south of Yunnan province in China. Same wildlife carrying same bugs all through that area.
https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Combat-Support/Armed-Forces-Health-Surveillance-Branch/Global-Emerging-Infections-Surveillance-and-Response/GEIS-Partners
Plenty of beta type coronaviruses for the yanks to play with there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27932284

South-East Asia is a hot spot for emerging zoonotic diseases, and bats have been recognized as hosts for a large number of zoonotic viruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), responsible for acute respiratory syndrome outbreaks. Thus, it is important to expand our knowledge of the presence of viruses in bats which could represent a risk to humans. Coronaviruses (CoVs) have been reported in bat species from Thailand, China, Indonesia, Taiwan and the Philippines. However no such work was conducted in Cambodia or Lao PDR. Between 2010 and 2013, 1965 bats were therefore sampled at interfaces with human populations in these two countries. They were tested for the presence of coronavirus by consensus reverse transcription-PCR assay. A total of 93 samples (4.7%) from 17 genera of bats tested positive. Sequence analysis revealed the presence of potentially 37 and 56 coronavirus belonging to alpha-coronavirus (αCoV) and beta-CoV (βCoV), respectively. The βCoVs group is known to include some coronaviruses highly pathogenic to human, such as SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV. All coronavirus sequences generated from frugivorous bats (family Pteropodidae) (n=55) clustered with other bat βCoVs of lineage D, whereas one coronavirus from Pipistrellus coromandra fell in the lineage C of βCoVs which also includes the MERS-CoV. αCoVs were all detected in various genera of insectivorous bats and clustered with diverse bat αCoV sequences previously published. A closely related strain of PEDV, responsible for severe diarrhea in pigs (PEDV-CoV), was detected in 2 Myotis bats. We highlighted the presence and the high diversity of coronaviruses circulating in bats from Cambodia and Lao PDR. Three new bat genera and species were newly identified as host of coronaviruses, namely Macroglossus sp., Megaerops niphanae and Myotis horsfieldii.

Everything needed to create SARS-CoV-2 conveniently residing in bats in Cambodia and Laos which no doubt the US military lab in Cambodia have been tinkering with.


Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2020 11:10 utc | 139

NEW BUG, NEW OPPORTUNITY: A new bug has landed in North America and with it another opportunity to blame China for something, anything. Monday’s Weather Network in Canada featured a story (link below) about the Asian Murder Hornet, a new arrival to the Pacific Northwest that bites the heads off honeybees. Hmmm….Asia…that’s where China is, right? And this bug attacks honeybees, so vital to pollination and therefore the food chain. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots, do you? Expects the forests to fill up with political operatives seeking probative photos of the monster biting the heads off honeybees. Maybe a personal appearance by Bigfoot Pompeo, himself.

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/invasive-asian-murder-hornets-pose-serious-threat-to-honeybee-populations-united-states-canada

Posted by: piggly | May 4 2020 11:16 utc | 140

Today's clipping:

Germany Not Planning to Respond to US Sanctions on Nord Stream 2 Gas Pipeline

“The government will not initiate the discussion of retaliatory measures, diplomatic sanctions or entry bans against those responsible for the Nord Stream 2 sanctions. The government believes that such measures are not useful. Additionally, the government draws attention to the fact that countermeasures to sanctions can only be introduced in agreement with the European Union,” the cabinet document reads.

Oh, so NOW economic sanctions are not useful. Well, time to lift them against Iran, Cuba, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela and China, then?

With the COVID-19 pandemic, the European Project died. With the death of the European Project, Germany's last imperialist ambitions have also died.

This will enter History as the end of Germany was we know it. A good run: almost 200 years.

--//--

Time for ‘post-mortem’ on China's response to Covid-19 will come later, but questions need answering – UK defense chief Ben Wallace

You with which army, mr. Wallace?

There will be no "post-mortem on China".

--//--

Coronavirus: Hong Kong’s economy slumps 8.9 per cent in worst contraction on record

B..but Hong Kong was a model for fighting against the pandemic! They found the perfect combination between freedom, not hurting the economy and containing the virus! That's what Fox News, NYT, WaPo, CNN et caterva told me! That's what my petite-bourgeois feeble mind believed!

Well, there goes the petite-bourgeois' utopia.

--//--

Post-coronavirus, expect manufacturing to make a mass exodus from China

And then you woke up.

Seriously now: there will be some "excess" relocation outside China during and after the pandemic is over. But it will not be a "mass exodus" - only and extra emphasis on strengthening inventories because, let's remember, we live in the toyotist era, an era with zero stock ("just-in-time").

There already was relocation from China happening constantly this past two decades because, as the Chinese working class' wages constantly rose in real term, the cheapest products begun to emigrate to India and Vietnam. Other factories were getting out of China because of old scuffles with the CCP as they couldn't get free, unlimited access to the local consumer market (e.g. Nintendo). But these are a normal, inevitable process of the ascension of China as its people become more affluent year after year.

What we're witnessing now is the slow degeneration of the toyotist consensus, not of China.

--//--

Pandemic could make Brazil have its worst economic performance in 120 years

Brazil only has 200 years. That would be quite a record.

Brazil has just topped 100,000 cases, with more than 7,000 deaths. A 7% death rate.

Where is the "0.006%" crew when we need them to talk about percentages?

Posted by: vk | May 4 2020 12:36 utc | 141

May 04 was the day the fellas shot dead students at Kent State, perhaps past is indeed prologue.

The connections between the week just past and that week, well, it is fairly far from topic, but clearly within the genre of violence...things do grow, in time...

Some people have forgotten.

Posted by: Walter | May 4 2020 13:52 utc | 142

The following video was leaked from The Clinton Global Initiative.

Former President Clinton, Governor Cuomo, Chelsea Clinton, Governor Newsom, discuss hiring an army of unemployed people or college students to contact people who have been tested positive for COVID-19 in order to learn about where they have been, who they have engaged with, visited etc.

” This is going to require an army of folks, the capacity of consideration from individuals to allow for their privacy to be impacted by that kind of acuity of attention based upon where they’ve been and who they talked to ” Governor Newsom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ug9XHT9JQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IDURYmdGeg

https://governmentslaves.news/2020/04/30/clinton-global-initiative-readies-the-contact-tracers/

Posted by: Mao | May 4 2020 13:57 utc | 143

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/devo-jerry-casale-interview-kent-state-massacre-protest-992651/?from=timeline

Kent State, May 4, 1970

Devo bassist Jerry Casale was there, and has a very good memory for the time, the assholes and the context. America the ugly.

Posted by: fairleft | May 4 2020 14:11 utc | 144

Mao | May 4 2020 13:57 utc | 144 (interviews)

Knock knock...

Who's there?

We're unemployed questioners...where who how...

Go away.

But

Go away.

But

Go away and write me a letter...

Posted by: Walter | May 4 2020 14:30 utc | 145

fairleft @ 144-- good interview of Cassale--

take away piece--

"The day of the shooting was the beginning of my red-pill moment. Not that I hadn’t been political, but I was still was like, “OK, there are some things wrong with our country and there’s some bad apples, but it’s fixable.” I believed in the brand that was America a little too much.

Once you go down the other path, you realize this has been a history of genocide, racism, inequality, corruption, hacking away at the very tenets of democratic rule of law, power grabs, imperialism, dirty tricks, supporting dictators, CIA … you just go down the whole thing and you realize what a fucking Disneyland load of shit you were sold."

Posted by: arby | May 4 2020 15:20 utc | 146

Knock knock
Who’s there ?
I’m from the govenment, open the door.
We’re selve isolating, we don’t want to catch the virus!
But the govenment wants you to catch the virus !
We may die !
Yes ! herd immunity!
But that’s no good if we’re dead F-off retard!

Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2020 15:21 utc | 147

@ piggly | May 4 2020 11:16 utc | 140

Yep. Timing on the "Chinese Murdering Wasp" media stories sure is convenient.

In actual fact the Japanese giant hornet subspecies, Vespa mandarinia japonica, aka "great sparrow bee" is reportedly even larger, more aggressive and has a worse sting.

But native Japanese honeybees know how to deal with giant hornets when they attack their hive. Jap bees will form a ball around invading hornets and beat their wing muscles continuously so as to raise the temperature in the center >44 degrees C. --> Heat is enough to kill the giant hornet invader.

Fun fact: In rural Japan, giant hornet pest exterminators locate the nest by capturing one of the hornets alive, tying a little flag or banner to it, and then letting it go and watching it fly home to it (usually well concealed) nest.

The exterminators then break up the nest (after dark when it is colder and giant hornets are sluggish, or using some non-persistent treatments to kill the adult hornets), and they then take and sell the giant hornet larva, which are considered a rich delicacy, eaten raw mostly, tasting a bit like soft boiled egg, according to one person who has eaten them.


Posted by: gm | May 4 2020 15:28 utc | 148

"(The economic depression was imminent, the terror/lockdown campaign was launched in part to make it look like the bug caused the depression, provide the China scapegoat, and step up the process of liquidating what's left of the people's economic position and plundering what's left of their assets.)
Russ@ 132

No Russ. That is not true.
" the terror/lockdown campaign was launched.." in response to public demand in most NATO countries. This very rational public demand was based upon a popular assessment that, as China and Korea showed, the outbreak could be contained and millions of lives saved.
This was a point of view which clashed with what the governments, eg those of Johnson in the UK and Trump in the USA, wanted. Their aim was to make the population 'take it on the chin' keep the capitalist economy going at full pelt and, when all was over and millions of poor, minority and elderly people had been killed by the pandemic, to cash in the benefits accruing from the 'natural cull'. Not to mention the benefit to society of achieving 'herd immunity' at the paltry cost of a small percentage of the population dying.

The key to understanding how little governments want the so called 'lockdowns' is to look at what they are doing to push people back to work. To pay attention to the appalling treatment being forced on meat packing plant workers-check this link https://thetyee.ca/News/2020/05/02/Alberta-Meat-Plant-Workers-Speak/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=040520.
And to recognise the obvious howling significance of the reality that those campaignuing against the 'lockdowns' are not only right wing ideologues but are subsidised and organised by the most reactionary forces on the political spectrum.
And then, if the message still has sunk in that those calling for a return to the status quo ante are not friends of freedom, and have not the tiniest interest in protecting anyone, except their fellow capitalists, from the state, look at who, internationally is pushing back against 'lockdowns'. Bolsonaro for example, who is actually cal;ling for a military dictatorship too, Trump, who you might have heard of, urging the 'militias' to march against state capitols and, in the UK, the Tories.

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2020 15:45 utc | 149

"You-Mark2@147- have already shown yourself to be a complete retard a thousand times over during this plandemic, so having your substandard genes removed from the gene pool would only make our species stronger." chipdik@148
Mark2 is correct.
And prescient too in that he understands that those pushing against the quarantine measures, where they are not consciously acting for the capitalist class, are the sort of fascists that we get when greens shrivel up and become browns-swastikas and all.

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2020 15:52 utc | 150

Thanks Bevin
—————————-
Regarding the Kent Ohio police shooting—
Good program here —
BBC radio
Well worth the time to listen !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000htp7

Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2020 15:56 utc | 151

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/after-retesting-samples-french-hospital-discovers-covid-19-case-from-december
France had cases already by the end of December

Posted by: Mina | May 4 2020 16:09 utc | 152

@ 113 jen... i am okay with these dinosaur bands not fairing as well in this.. as you say - their posh lifestyles could use an adjustment! i wish people would seek out more alternative music sources and go with groups that aren't as well known.. that would hurt ticketmaster and live nation too and i would be really fine with that!!

@ 11 fnord... thanks for your post! it's refreshing.... i think one of the special features of moon of alabama is the fact people from all around the world post here...unfortunately this is lost on some people, in particular those who seem to primarily live in the usa and think the world revolves around them.. they will take your comments as an affront to their special status... in fact, i feel sorry for the usa as it continues to sink on so many levels, not the least how it is again the little people getting screwed.... there gov't and ideology don't have a social bone in there consciousness and when they do - as exampled by sanders - it is kicked out of them.. they have to abort it as the war against communism is still going strong, along with the war on drugs and the war on terror.. and lets face it.. the usa is constantly at war with the world, if not with itself.. covid 19 has again brought this to light...

in a world which requires greater consensus and working with other nations, the usa is incapable of this basic need.. it is all about individual rights.. the individual right to screw over as many others as possible for what??? fortunately there are many good people in the usa, but they are definitely losing out to the scoundrels which are in all the leadiing positions of power...

@ i see this conflict in terms of covid as a perfect example of just how myopic or not people in the world are... typically it is the american cowboys who can't see straight and want to lash out at anyone who would show a shred of humanity here... throw in a good dose of conspiracy theory and you have your typical gringo who will lash out at anyone or anything that gets in their way...

Posted by: james | May 4 2020 16:20 utc | 153

bevin | May 4 2020 15:45 utc | 150

" the terror/lockdown campaign was launched.." in response to public demand in most NATO countries.

Insofar as that's been a factor, where would the public get the idea to demand such things? Only from the media's terrorist campaign.

Here in NJ, supposedly one of the worst "hotspots", I never saw any bottom-up clamoring for lockdown measures. The media and state government started shrieking "Stampede!", and everyone stampeded.

The rest of what you say there about Trump looks to me like the standard internecine squabbles among the elite factions that support or despise Trump, even though they really have no substantive differences. Neither Trump nor Johnson is exactly celebrated for a coherent, detailed Here I Stand position on anything, while the media always is happy to tweak Trump over anything no matter what it is. That's the main reason the squabbles continue even though Trump never does anything corporate America, and therefore its mass media, doesn't want.

And to recognise the obvious howling significance of the reality that those campaignuing against the 'lockdowns' are not only right wing ideologues but are subsidised and organised by the most reactionary forces on the political spectrum.

As far as public opposition to the police state lockdown coming almost only from MAGA types, this is yet another example of the complete abdication and worthlessness of "the left" which leaves a vacuum that's filled by right-populism.

Just like with Brexit, just like with the American opportunity for a populist movement truly against Wall Street, corporate rule, the Pentagon, the police state.

As we saw with Brexit, erstwhile "anti-globalists" ran home to globalist mama the moment the chips were down. These days we've see the vastly more profound phenomenon of almost all self-alleged "anti-authoritarians" running home to police state mama.

When everyone who ever claimed to hold human principles and who filled most of the ideological leadership space among the "alternative" set then not only abdicates but flips 180 degrees to embrace the very system they'd always claimed to oppose, that can do nothing but throw the whole space wide open to fascism.

And if the people do embrace classical fascism, a major cause will be this revelation of the complete fraudulence of all who ever claimed to fight for an alternative.

As for astroturfing, the mass psychological terror campaign of governments and media (with the ancillary anti-China warmongering among the West), is by orders of magnitude the biggest astroturf ever, the first truly globally-coordinated astroturf.

Posted by: Russ | May 4 2020 16:25 utc | 154

I just discovered that the BBC has a separate page for the Covid/Live reporting for Africa... i.e. Africa is not part of the "world" live reporting!?
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-47639452
Disgusting...

Posted by: Mina | May 4 2020 16:33 utc | 155

Posted by: Russ | May 4 2020 5:41 utc | 117

That's because the entire terror and lockdown campaign is radically anti-human and dedicated to destroying whatever part of humanity hadn't already been destroyed by the Mammon-based sociopathic civilization itself.

Well then go ahead and fight for your right to party.
You know very well who imposed lockdown in your state. Your state government. Fight them tyrants, is't that the point of your sacred 2nd amendment? Follow the example of your founding fathers, and those fine gents in Michigan also.
And if you get covid in the process of your just and noble struggle, even better. It will make both you and your herd stronger.

Posted by: hopehely | May 4 2020 16:34 utc | 156


Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 5:16 utc | 116

"PS I found b here"

You naughty boy, you trick me...

Posted by: JC | May 4 2020 16:39 utc | 157


WHO LIVE Media briefing on COVID-19 4th May 2020


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCn0Gp_9aQ

Posted by: JC | May 4 2020 17:05 utc | 158

The second to last link you posted on what Mueller uncovered and hid from public view deserved a thread of its own with this title: No stupid, there was no Russia collusion; there was Israeli aka Zionist collusion because Trump was the Chosen of Zionists from the start.

So I laid all this out over a year ago. I even wrote that Mueller discovered that Israel had meddled in the 2016 Election and would fail to advance that discovery further and would bury the findings. Fact is that the reason Russia was the scapegoat is because the Russian/Israeli dual citizenship oligarchs were involved mostly for Israel's benefit and all had close ties with Netanyahu.

And Putin doesn't help his cause by appearing in Israel and ingratiating himself with the Russian squatter set and wacko Natanyahoo.

Posted by: Circe | May 4 2020 17:08 utc | 159

Meanwhile at the pointy end of the stick, in New York City "roid rage" police use new diktats as excuse to enforce social control:

NYPD officer brandishes taser, tackles and strikes bystander during social-distancing bust

People like to make fun of yahoo rednecks brandishing rifles in the Michigan state capitol, but I couldn't find any videos of them being tasered and roughed up by the cops. Smug US liberals might want to think on why there is a Second Amendment on this anniversary of college kids being gunned down in Ohio. Not to mention just eleven days later the cops killed two students and wounded a dozen more at Jackson State College. And of course, police are still killing three civilians a day. Every day. For years.

The Black Panthers tried to use the 2nd Amendment for self-defense from the cops. They weren't able to make it work, and the cops assassinated those who insisted on their rights. I assume that today all the various little militias and paramilitaries are thoroughly infiltrated by cops, making them very dangerous tools of the police, and of little use for actually protecting anybody or their rights.

Police have shown over and over that they won't hesitate to kill people one at a time, but they think twice when confronting larger, sort-of organized groups, like the 2014 "Bundy Standoff" or the 1993 "Waco Siege". I think they are well aware that there are more guns than people in Uncle Sam Land.

Dear Leaders have about a month before the weather gets really ugly in Eastern urban ghettos. That's not much time to get things stabilized, even if they were competent enough to do it. A civil war in the middle of an epidemic is rather frightening to think about.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | May 4 2020 18:01 utc | 160

So I learned today at MoA that I am a fascist. Next time a cop is beating me should I tell him that? It seems that few if any here have ever had direct experience with representatives of a fascist state.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 4 2020 18:13 utc | 161

Yet another Manic Monday … Yes, it's an oldie. Today, Global Times continued to launch broadsides at Outlaw US Empire propaganda and its propaganda-based polices. At the top is an editorial, "Pompeo's anti-China bluff strategy reveals all-or-nothing mentality to fool US voters", a version of which was above the fold of my local newspaper this morning which generated this response: "Crap, just what I want to see, more lies by Pompeo!" Not one item in the meager main section about Oregon--almost total propaganda from AP, Reuters, NY Times. At least the USA Today insert being provided mon-fri had some genuine news and a debunking of misleading FB post that borders on criminal.

Then the second hit was directed at what I was pissed off about above, "US politicians’ letter on China’s alleged ‘press controls’ typical of Washington’s double standard." And the article didn't need to mention whistleblower treatment or Assange to makes its point.

Two Hudson related items are now available. He responded to a few emailed questions by The Saker here regarding when the next part of the calamity will break. These bits caught my eye:

"The point of no return would arrive when the Federal Reserve and government stop bailing out the bankers and the stock and bond markets and let real 'free market' asset prices collapse to reflect the 'real' economy’s shrinkage. There would be a sell-off without the Fed’s promise to be the buyer of last resort....

"I think that the Fed will let the large insiders sell out (and even make a fortune on selling stocks and bonds short) before they pull the plug. The key is that the collapse of the economy must be managed as a financial gain-seeking opportunity for the big banks and financial speculators." [My Emphasis]

The bolded text is the event to watch for, but you'll note he doesn't provide any set time, as he also adds that it could be set-off by a major default like AiG's in 2008.

The second Hudson item is the provision of a transcript for a video interview made early last month. The photo he used to head the entry is very worthy of copying for later--often--use.

And finally we have an item related to the discussion my wife and I had this morning as we went over our Governor's Friday talk and the new guidelines issued as a result, "'Kind of Like Large Scale Negligent Homicide': As Trump Urges Reopenings, CDC Report Warns of Surge in Covid-19 Deaths: Internal CDC document projects U.S. coronavirus deaths could reach 3,000 per day by June 1—nearly double the current daily death toll." As I've mentioned before, my wife works in our County's Health & Human Services Department and is very closely involved with everything related to managing the pandemic, so I've been privy to some of the inside aspects of this event unseen by the public and omitted by news. We've been very fortunate that out of a population of @60K to have only 5 fatalities attributed to COVID-19, with only 2 currently active cases. Our concern is our local economy is very heavily dependent on tourism, and that with reopening will come a spike in new cases. We supposedly have enough testing capacity but not enough trained people yet to do contact and tracing. Both are required by the Governor along with hospital space for reopening. In other words, the shelter in place order conflated as "lockdown" worked. But until a verified deterrent's freely available, people need to remain mindful and cautious. Oregon as a whole was very lucky because of numerous factors, and we hope to remain that way. Both state and local governments have acted very well, and most Oregonians have behaved responsibly.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2020 18:15 utc | 162

lol - oldhippie... i missed where someone was saying that... it doesn't sound right though... do you think the usa is a fascist state? i am curious..

Posted by: james | May 4 2020 18:22 utc | 163

Oldhippie @ 162
Your not a fascist I can tell’m a mile off, but you may possibly have been deceived by them ! No shame in that. We live with chaos now. The majority of the public are victems of deception, look at Syria.
We like order in our life, but after this virus (metaphorical nucular explosion) there is no order, sorry but good luck.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2020 18:41 utc | 164

"As far as public opposition to the police state lockdown coming almost only from MAGA types..."

Just curious, but what are the "MAGA types" doing, if anything, that the capitalists fear so much that they would wreck their own sources of real wealth and incur the huge expenses of a police state for? Heck, the "MAGA types" absolutely love capitalism and would never do anything to put a crimp in capitalist's wealth acquisition.

Put another way, what do the capitalists get out of a police state? What do they get out of impoverished consumers? What would motivate them to do those things? Certainly not profits, so I suppose the MAGA crowd thinks these people are doing the police state thing just for fun.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 4 2020 18:47 utc | 165

James

Of course it is a fascist state. I joined up w/SDS ($3) at age 14 and have never escaped that mistake. Even back in 1966 the overwhelming majority of members were agents and the left has always been thus. So I ended up in prison, not because I was training with weapons or building bombs but because I wouldn’t.

Government programs are eternal. Files are never closed. What I am is a cash cow for bureaucrats. Still supervised by COINTELPRO and corollaries. In prison they tried to recruit me for FBI. When I got out all my friends were informed that I had been recruited,. Think for a moment of being newly released and finding that no one will speak to you or even look at you. At university every professor knew that I was in play, some of them told me all about their interviews with the spooks and other profs were spooks themselves. And it never ends. Never had normal employment, never left alone. Yes, it is fascism here. One would have to be very obtuse to conclude otherwise.

Bevin is the most direct about calling his perceived enemies fascists, others are surely chiming in. The left loves to play this game. Starting with Herr Marx, the ultimate purveyor of divisive tactics. As long as we squabble amongst ourselves we are no threat. The government could at this point quit all of their underhanded interference and the leftists would take care of factional disorder all by themselves.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 4 2020 19:06 utc | 166

>do you think the usa is a fascist state? i am curious..
>Posted by: james | May 4 2020 18:22 utc | 163

Well let's see what that fascist philosopher Benito Mussolini had to say about it:

Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.

I think Uncle Sam has that one covered quite well, for the last hundred years at least.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | May 4 2020 19:08 utc | 167

>The government could at this point quit all of their underhanded
>interference and the leftists would take care of factional
>disorder all by themselves.
>Posted by: oldhippie | May 4 2020 19:06 utc | 166

Indeed. Too many people playing the "I'M the biggest victim" game, all pushing and shoving for more status, just like the asshats at the top of the hierarchy. All the various tiny sectarian groups bad mouthing everybody else is a very bad look, while Uncle Sam's goons look on with delight.

Your personal story is chilling. I wonder how many people in the US and elsewhere understand just how ugly Uncle Sam and his goons really are. I hope people will take your words to heart.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | May 4 2020 19:24 utc | 168

@fairleft
And the rest of "it's just a flu gang".

I agree that lockdown is dumb idea. It is.
However it is the only dumb idea you would have left when you discovered a new highly contagious disease which are largely undetectable by common means and are of family of diseases that is responsible to previous outbreaks themselves that are known to be fatal and have no known effective treatment SARS and MERS.

Are common flu medication and treatment have positive effect to COVID19 patients ?
No. There's an evidence that some common flu medicine could even worsened them.

Do they behave/interact within the body the same way with flu ?
Again no. There's even some evidence that they can weaken multiple organs in addition to pneumonia.

Do they have similar profile with flu ?
No they do not make someone sick within days they have incubation period minimum averaging within 2 weeks before patients showing symptoms. In addition the patient could be an active carrier before they even feel any kind of sickness.

Lockdown is dumb. I wholly agree to be against prolonged lockdown and any intrusive enforcement measures in their support but i had to say they're necessary to be done periodically to keep your healthcare systemt and population from sudden massive outbreak you had no longer control of. The measure is to flatten the infection and hospitalizations curve and i dare say it did help or protect someone.

Posted by: Lucci | May 4 2020 19:31 utc | 169

Matt Taibbi
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/temporary-coronavirus-censorship

Posted by: Joe | May 4 2020 20:00 utc | 170

As ISIS return in force to Iraq...New Gladio network in the making?
This is why nobody has touched these guys so far...

BREAKING: Arrested in Barcelona Alexander Zolotukhin, leader of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi group "Right Sector", who was trying to settle in Spain to coordinate terrorist acts in Europe

https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1256657476281401344

This is why we do not want Zozulia playing in Spain, since those who burned alive comrades in Odessa there were also Football hooligans...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 4 2020 20:14 utc | 171

@166 old hippie... thanks.. i always appreciate you viewpoint and you bring up an especially good one on the nature of the left shooting themselves in the foot in it all if we weren't in a fascist state already - as@ 1676/168 trailer trash notes... your life story is challenging and i believe all that you say.. for some strange reason i have been fascinated by the lives of prisoners from reading jarvis jay masters two books - finding freedom and that bird has my wings.. it shows how a person can be completely beaten down and still not break down... his tale is quite shocking... i am not sure if they ever let him out of prison for a killing he never committed according to him.. but regardless he is able to rise above it.. the books are inspirational if you are into this... essentially he is an innocent man on death row... the usa system sure seems fucked, and canada isn't far behind in some regards.. the usa presents a good lesson for us in fact and i hope our politicians instead of being beholden to the usa, can find a way to continue to make a different system then the one the usa finds itself in... we seem very much run by the corporations here in canada as well... anyway - thanks for your comments.. you make a really good point regarding the left... i would be curious if bevin had a response to this too..

Posted by: james | May 4 2020 20:16 utc | 172

House arrest policies were sold as a way to protect vulnerable people in care homes, but as actually implemented, the policy is a complete failure as care home residents die by the dozen. The policy has also pushed the teetering economy off the cliff, so it is a double failure.

Dear leaders keep pushing the house arrest end date further and further into the future and insist that the virus can not be eradicated, but only slowed down a bit. Is my 85 year old mother supposed to stay locked alone in her house for the rest of her life? No one will answer that question.

It is complete incompetence every step of the way. I guess USians have well earned it. I'm not sure I want to live long enough to see how this ends. Will we come to the point where the survivors envy the dead? Probably not for quite a while yet, but prospects are rather grim.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | May 4 2020 20:24 utc | 173

Mu #133

"I would give her health insurance" I laughed my head off at that cute line.

Great links. He is good but George Carlin was visceral genius.

Thank you for those links. May your day be gentle and full of laughs.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 21:22 utc | 174

Funny how the US keeps fucking up in Venezuela. Abrams lost his mojo it seems..
See thread here:

https://twitter.com/venanalysis/status/1257417513262071808?s=21


Posted by: Lozion | May 4 2020 21:38 utc | 175

Norwegian #135

So presumably the Tesla "gigafactory" just built in Shanghai will be closed? I don't think the left hand knows what the right hand is doing.

Instead of a bail out for Elon Musk I would prefer to see a bail up. Strap the stupid prick to one of his rockets and send the little 'Rocket Man' into his blue sky corporate future. (Must look up that song as I recall it vaguely relevant). Will we finally see the end of this narcissist? unlikely.

I had the delight recently of discussing home battery install as part of a solar package and the poor merchant was absolutely welded on to Tesla battery packs. He almost went cross eyed when I asked about the Chinese brand and Chinese solar panels. Sad victim of the 'hate China' syndrome in the bunya nut republic.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 22:04 utc | 176

#FuriaBolivariana

The golpistas spilling the beans live...A "former" Green Beret and Trump´s security involved...

https://twitter.com/dcabellor/status/1257412588046032898

It seesm that for the so muhc the CIA denies any link with this people it will not wash...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 4 2020 22:12 utc | 177

@Passer by #68
Whatever the mask blocks - will be on the mask.
If you wear the mask for an extended period - at some point you have to touch the mask to eat/drink. You also have to touch the mask to take it off/put it on (if reused)/clean it.

Are people trained and disciplined enough to both not touch their faces and follow careful procedures taking masks off/putting them on, decontaminating masks, decon of objects brought in from outside etc?

I think not.

Furthermore, the vast majority of masks I am seeing on the street are either the surgery strap-ons or cloth masks. If they're one time use, that's one thing. If they're being reused as the state of many of them appear to be, then it is no better having the "mask" than not.

Posted by: c1ue | May 4 2020 22:41 utc | 178

@uncle tungsten #74
The health professionals have an entire system to handle issuing, using and disposing/cleaning masks.
Regular people do not.
Your comment only betrays ignorance.

Posted by: c1ue | May 4 2020 22:42 utc | 179

@james #87
I would really doubt ticketmaster, etc are going to die because of nCOV musicus interruptus. They don't really have a high maintenance cost.

As for musicians doing their best to survive: I wish them well, but the economics of online discovery are against them.

One of the primary benefits of live music venues is the opportunity to get exposed to new fans. Live venue attendees also have a very different spend profile than passive online listeners.

The fundamental problem is that I do not see live venues returning to anything like pre-nCOV status at least until a vaccine is developed, approved, distributed and likely legally mandated. The vaccine approval and testing is going to take a year or more. The rest of it? Another 6 to 18 months.

Restaurants, bars and retail are toast as well, so being a waiter, bartender/waitress or retail warm body isn't even an option for the aspiring musician to survive.

Posted by: c1ue | May 4 2020 22:48 utc | 180

Joe #170

Matt Taibbi
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/temporary-coronavirus-censorship

FABULOUS. Matt is such a good journalist that he deserves a Pulitzer Prize for what he does. Katie Halper and his joint effort 'Useful Idiots' is often a good rant too.

A great quote from Taibbi:

Instead of asking calmly if hydroxychloroquine works, or if the less restrictive Swedish crisis response has merit, or questioning why certain statistical assumptions about the seriousness of the crisis might have been off, we’re denouncing the questions themselves as infamous. Or we’re politicizing the framing of stories in a way that signals to readers what their take should be before they even digest the material. “Conservative Americans see coronavirus hope in Progressive Sweden,” reads a Politico headline, as if only conservatives should feel optimism in the possibility that a non-lockdown approach might have merit! Are we rooting for such an approach to not work?

These are the questions a rational mind should pose, regardless of profession.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 22:48 utc | 181

@fairleft #105
You are wrong and continue to be wrong.
New York data shows a very clear number of under 65 and even under 50 mortalities for nCOV.
It is absolutely *not* just like a regular flu: Younger adults getting seriously sick

New York age breakdown of nCOV mortality

The mortality in New York for people in the 18-44 age range is 0.72%.
This is 3 to 7 times worse than overall flu mortality (which also largely kills older people) and 50x+ multiple over the mortality for the same age range for regular flu (which is 0.01%).

Your disinformation is literally deadly.

Posted by: c1ue | May 4 2020 22:54 utc | 182

@fairleft #105
Oh, and your study? You are clearly a moron because that study you post shows a significant number of people under 50 who are either hospitalized or died from nCOV.

There is an error in the summary graph which shows 0% for under 50 when multiple other data in the same paper clearly shows different.
This is what happens when you read studies in order to confirm an agenda.

Posted by: c1ue | May 4 2020 22:59 utc | 183

c1ue #179
Your comment only betrays ignorance.

I am pleased to betray ignorance any day - with facts and truth.

There are many ways to maintain personal hygiene best practice like hand washing and sanitiser. Like placing masks in bright sunlight for a day or two after the occasional going out. Older people are still mighty intelligent and can manage very well. Given a simple advice about increasing hygiene practices and personal mask safety they will minimise contact with sufficient viral load to perhaps avoid full blown infection.

I have no need to fear being in public as I like many others am awake in the sense that Ouspensky and Gurdjieff spoke of. Certainly many more would wear masks and develop safe practice after week or so if given supply and clear direction. Imagine the benefit for all those people if they could minimise the cost and personal impact by avoiding colds and flu. Make masks easy and normal is my motto.

I notice there is growing evidence (even from the US military !) that flu shots predispose covid infection intensity. Perhaps both can be avoided for many many people by simply wearing masks, adopting heightened personal hygiene and using the sun to cleanse clothing and masks.

That is not ignorance, it is progress toward a better society by increasing people's personal power and capacity to live well.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 23:08 utc | 184

To do its best to keep from freaking out Wall Street, the US Labor Department won't release its latest labor/job data until Friday, likely after the Bell. Comments like highest rise ever reported and unprecedented are floating everywhere. My own prediction based on a total work force of 271 million and 130 million unemployed is 48%, although IMO the unemployed number is closer to being 150 million or 55%.

Now I'll see if the Cloud eats this comment too.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2020 23:10 utc | 185

Lebanon has just gone bankrupt

It will go to the IMF to be rescued.

This would represent one more country being reabsorbed by the American sphere of influence.

If Turkey follows, this may be an indicative of a new, dangerous phase of American dominance, where it will have to induce bankruptcies to other countries if it wants to regain/retain them on its side. It will be a deleterious dominance, in opposition to the "virtuous" one from the miracle of 1945-1975.

A similar pattern is observable in the EU, which is, for all intents and purposes, a German mini-empire. Ireland, Portugal and Spain were able to be rescued in the first time because they are small and there was still funds in the coffers of Brussels. When Greece fell, they let it go because the hole was too deep - to the point it would hurt the German unions' funds in the Deutsche. Italy is definitely too big for Germany to rescue, and it will be interesting to see what will happen when Italy inevitably collapses.

We can, in this regard, treat this recent crisis of American hegemony as not an American crisis per se, but as a capitalist crisis, what the American socialists led by AOC call "Late Capitalism".

Posted by: vk | May 4 2020 23:23 utc | 186

More from Taibbi that barflies might ponder:

“the general average of intelligence, of knowledge, of competence, of integrity, of self-respect, of honor is so low that any man who knows his trade, does not fear ghosts, has read fifty good books, and practices the common decencies stands out as brilliantly as a wart on a bald head.”

We have a lot of dumb people in this country[read planet]. But the difference between the stupidities cherished by the Idiocracy set ingesting fish cleaner, and the ones pushed in places like the Atlantic, is that the jackasses among the “expert” class compound their wrongness by being so sure of themselves that they force others to go along. In other words, to combat “ignorance,” the scolders create a new and more virulent species of it: exclusive ignorance, forced ignorance, ignorance with staying power.

The people who want to add a censorship regime to a health crisis are more dangerous and more stupid by leaps and bounds than a president who tells people to inject disinfectant. It’s astonishing that they don’t see this.

[read planet] is my addition.

By the way before I get jumped on: This is not a dig at b and his 'sanitising' approach to this blog. I am happy to state my case based on evidence and citing sources (always hopefully credible) but I am equally comfortable reconsidering my propositions and surmises in light of evidence. Like most barflies I arrived here after cruising through some ghastly blogs (in retrospect). I don't do naked cap any more and don't start me on ZH or SST blechhh. viva la difference!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 23:24 utc | 187

Russian pipe-laying vessel "Akademik Cherskiy" which has been the subject of press speculation regarding completion of the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea, has now arrived in Kaliningrad from the Far East!

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:899194/mmsi:273399760/imo:8770261/vessel:AKADEMIK_CHERSKIY

Posted by: carl | May 4 2020 23:45 utc | 188

vk #185

We can, in this regard, treat this recent crisis of American hegemony as not an American crisis per se, but as a capitalist crisis, what the American socialists led by AOC call "Late Capitalism".


AOC !!?? leading American Socialists. ! She is not a socialist evidenced by her appalling support for the trillion dollar 'bailout' bill that forgot about the people.

You seek an AMERICAN socialist? Try Nicolas Maduro, Michelle Bachelet, Evo Morales

You seek USA socialist? Try Howie Hawkins, Jamie Keesling, Pat Noble, Claudia Miller, Nicholas Partyka.

Maybe Jesse Ventura (yet to be sure of that).

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2020 23:52 utc | 189

Food for thought from Maximilian Forte of Zero Anthropology

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 5 2020 0:18 utc | 190

Lucci | May 4 2020 19:31 utc | 169

Trump Derangement Syndrome': reducing what someone says:
"Based on the available data, for below 50s without certain co-morbidities Covid-19 is about as dangerous as the flu."

Down to some insult you heard on CNN/MSNBC:

"it's just a flu gang"

Go to the end of this (I can't replicate the charts), the largest study of hospitalized Covid-19 patients, and look at the charts of who has died. Pretty much no one under 45 has died, and that doesn't even take into account co-morbidities: 'Features of 16,749 hospitalised UK patients with COVID-19 using the ISARIC WHO Clinical Characterisation Protocol'
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076042v1

A comment on the study:
"The picture that emerges from this study is remarkably consistent with earlier analyses. Age is the biggest risk factor by far. For patients over 70 or 80, the risk of death is roughly a thousand percent higher than for patients under fifty."
https://conscienhealth.org/2020/05/discrimination-denial-obesity-and-covid-19/

Posted by: fairleft | May 5 2020 0:49 utc | 191

c1ue | May 4 2020 22:54 utc | 182 & 183

See comment 190. And I'm not talking about under-65s! The NYC data is not broken down into healthy under-50s vs unhealthy under-50s. Why didn't you notice that? Bias? The US has huge numbers of obese under-50s and under-50s with heart problems. We also have disastrous and minimal health care for poor people of all ages.

Posted by: fairleft | May 5 2020 0:56 utc | 192

@ 180 c1ue... i mostly agree the situation for live performance is very challenged presently, and i am dreaming if i think the biggest leech on musicians - ticketmaster-live nation - are going to disappear any time soon.. but i can dream! i see eventbrite is cutting in on their leeching... i guess eventbrite will get bought out by ticketmaster eventually... these companies absolutely hate competition... i hate them too, lol...

Posted by: james | May 5 2020 1:46 utc | 193

04 May is not only anaversary of kent start murders, but also Comrade Tito (Josip Broz )

see> adeyinkamakinde[dot]blogspot[dot]com/

Brother Makinde is a QC in the Big City, and sehr kool.

Posted by: Walter | May 5 2020 2:26 utc | 194

@192 james have you read this? An eye opener..

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/music-crisis-concerts-tours-980968/


Posted by: Lozion | May 5 2020 2:30 utc | 195

@ lozion.. .thanks... someone had linked to it a few days ago but i didn't read it.. i just read it... it basically covers it.. us canuck musicians who pay income tax qualify for the cerb funds which for such a low end musician like i - it works fine.. i miss playing music though! i can play the drums and piano on my own here, but it is not the same as playing with others....

best quote from the article as i read it - "Micah Nelson, an avant-garde musician and son of Willie Nelson, has turned to Isaac Newton for inspiration. “During the plague in Isaac Newton’s time, he had just completed study at Oxford,” Nelson says. “He was slotted to join faculty. The epidemic caused the university to shut down for two years. He went to a private cabin and created the foundation of what would evolve into quantum physics. Who knows what people will create when they are faced with four walls and the sudden contrast to an assumed freedom? When the beast gives chase, even the most numb of minds remember that they are alive.”

Posted by: james | May 5 2020 3:44 utc | 196

@fairleft #191

"Based on the available data, for below 50s without certain co-morbidities Covid-19 is about as dangerous as the flu."

Did it or didn't it had killed patients aged below 50 ?
Did this data you cite happen within time period of quarantines or not ?
You would have the same problem with those people that believed somehow China is 'deliberately spreading the disease' based on the initial response they made speaking on the premise as if China (and the rest of the other government) had known all along everything about the virus instead of advancing it's studies and data on them during the course of the epidemic and the worst of it.

You can label me Trump deranged sycho all you want (never i mentioned Trump anywhere in my comment by the way) but my take on your thinking wasn't really wrong but for the sake of having an argument for your cases how about you try catching the disease yourself and describe in details how it go through your body and what medical treatment you'd have to receive (if any). Maybe you can convince someone else better with your documented experience.

Posted by: Lucci | May 5 2020 4:45 utc | 197

c1ue May 4 2020 22:54 @182

"...Your disinformation is literally deadly."

As of 4/5/2020 Covid-19 deaths Australia :-

Age:-
0-39 :0
40-49 :1
50-59 :2
60-69 :11
70-79 :30
80-89 :32
90+ :21
Covid-19 deaths by age

"...This is what happens when you read studies in order to confirm an agenda."


Posted by: ted01 | May 5 2020 4:59 utc | 198

c1ue

Some Covid-19 Links (29/4/2020)
c1ue Apr 29 2020 20:31 utc @41
"...Who is starving now (more so than pre-nCOV)?"

Just in case you missed it -
From Ashino @130
https://astutenews.com/2020/05/03/america-send-food-were-starving/

Posted by: ted01 | May 5 2020 5:13 utc | 199

I was struck by the retired senior French officers: "we've got to get closer to Moscow.." Instead, try, we've got to get further away from Washington.

Posted by: Jeff | May 5 2020 5:22 utc | 200

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