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April 3, 2020
The Science Says #MaskUp – A Look At Two New Virus Studies

There are a few new studies about the novel coronavirus epidemic that are of interest for everyone.

From Science comes a study with new epidemic data that evaluates a smartphone based system that could alarm those who have come near a person which later developed Covid-19 symptoms. Such a system is used in South Korea.

Quantifying SARS-CoV-2 transmission suggests epidemic control with digital contact tracing

The new epidemic data in the study is of interest.

It says that the basic reproduction number R0 or R naught for the novel coronavirus is 2.0. Under normal circumstance a new carrier of the virus is likely to infect two other people. This is a higher value than for the seasonal flu but a bit lower than previously thought.

But what makes the novel coronavirus really different is that it starts to spread before the spreading person has developed symptoms.

The virus starts to replicate in significant numbers (billions per mililiter) on day 2 after the infection. The virus first replicates in the upper throat and the infected person starts to spread it to others simply by breathing, talking or coughing. Only on day 5 the infected person starts to develop first symptoms. The virus migrates into the lower lung and replicates there. The virus load in the upper throat will then start to decline. The immune system intervenes and defeats the virus but also causes additional lung damage which can kill people who have already other preexisting conditions. (Interestingly smokers seem not to develop a cytokine storms during a Covid infection and are thereby less prone to end up in the ICU.) On day 10 only few viruses will be found in the upper throat and the person will generally no longer be infectious.

The typical hospitalization point in China was only on day 9 to 12 after the onset of symptoms. At that point a test by swabs is nearly useless as the infected person will normally no longer have significant numbers of the virus in the upper throat. Reports of "defective tests from China" were likely caused by a lack of knowledge about this phenomenon. The diagnosis in these later cases should be done by a CT scan which will show the lung damage.

We do know since late January that people can transmit the virus even when they have not yet developed symptoms. An open question was how many of new infections happen during this phase.

The new Science study investigated how many infections were created by each of four infection phases or types:

  • pre-symptomatic – new infections come from an infected person who has not yet developed symptoms but will do so later
  • symptomatic – new infections come from an infected person who has already developed symptoms
  • environmental – new infections comes from some environmental contact with the virus
  • asymptomatic – new infections come from a person that will never develop any symptoms.

The study says that R0 for pre-symptomatic infections is 0.9 or 46% of all new infections. Infections from a symptomatic persons happen with an R0 of 0.8 which is equal to 40% of all new infections. Environmental infections have an R0 of 0.2 or 10% of all new infections. Infections from asymptomatic cases have an R0 of 0.1 or 4% of all new infections.

More new infections are created during the three pre-symptomatic days the virus carrier runs around then during the symptomatic one.

Washing ones hands helps but environmental infections happen only in 10% of all new infections. The pre-symptomatic carriers are, without knowing it, the biggest spreader of the disease. Millions of the many billions of viruses that get created in their throat can attach to tiny water droplets or aerosols while a person breathes, speaks or coughs.

Such spreading can be prevented when everyone wears a mask. A different new study shows that masks are very effective. Published in Nature the study is titled:

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks.

The graphic (here cut off for only corona viruses) shows how masks can keep away your droplets from the people you meet and talk to.


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If the carrier of a virus wears a mask the spreading of viruses due to speaking, coughing or even breathing goes basically down to zero.

But a mask does not only protect the carrier of the viruses. While homemade or even professional surgical mask do not protect the wearer from all particles they do protect one much better from them than when one wears no mask at all.

A person rarely gets infected by just one virus particle. They come in millions attached to tiny droplets. We do not know yet how the dose of the novel coronavirus that infects a person affects the intensity of the disease. But we do know from other viruses that the dose matters. People who catch a higher dose of viruses will usually have a more intense disease. A mask can lower the virus load the wearer may receive.

One can improvise a mask from simple household objects. One can sew a mask like a surgeon does in this video. This is my preferred model which is officially recommended by German fire departments. (The pdf is in German but the pictures tell the story). This is the mask I made by following those instructions.


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It is made of a folded sheet cut from a triangular arm-sling out of an old first-aid kit. A HEPA microfilter (as used in vacuum cleaners) is in between the folded sheet. A piece cut from a clean bag for vacuum cleaners will do as well. Do not use a sheet or insert that is too tight to breathe through. If one does that the air will come in from the sides of the mask and the total protection effect will be less. It can be arduous to breathe through such a mask. If you have breathing problems leave the insert out. The sheets alone are already good protection. There is a piece of wire from a big paper clip fixed inside the middle of the upper seam to fit the mask tightly around the upper nose. The lower part goes under the chin. I shaved my beard to make it a tighter fit. As I had no sewing equipment I used a stapler to fix the seams and the ribbons.

The HEPA filter catches particles down to 0.3 micrometer. Viruses are some 125 nanometer in diameter so they are smaller and could slip through. But the viruses are attached to some droplet that are bigger. HEPA filter are essentially labyrinths of small fiber and the viruses would have to bounce multiple times to get through. Finally the dose also matters.

To clean the mask of potential viruses I put it into the oven for 30 minutes at 70C (158F).

The science says that masks work. Everyone should use one. #MaskUp!


Here some additional links which might be of interest.

So far, to the frustration of both the White House and the intelligence community, the agencies have been unable to glean more accurate numbers through their collection efforts.

That's because the Chinese numbers are as correct as they can get.


Previous Moon of Alabama posts on the issue:

Comments

@CarlD 102
I am not a biologoist etc, but I would be concerned that 70C and 100% humidity, would eventually breed certain kinds of bacteria.
maybe 70C but very dry, like a laundry dryer, might be a better?

Posted by: ptb | Apr 4 2020 0:15 utc | 101

SF Bay Area Covid update for 3 April
The last census lists a population of over 7 million people in nine counties and 101 cities.
Alameda county (not including Berkeley)
Positive Cases: 416 +43
Deaths: 12 +3
Berkeley
Cases 27 +4
Deaths Zero
Contra Costa County
Dashboard
307 Cases + 31
Deaths 5 +2
Total tested 4493 +410
Hospitalized 32 +1
San Francisco County
Positive cases 497 +47
Deaths 7 No change
San Mateo County
Dashboard
Positive cases 486 +33
Deaths 13 +3
Santa Clara County
Public health Dashboard
1094 Cases +75
Deaths 38 +2
Sonoma County
Dashboard
Active Cases 79 No change
Hospitalized 19 +4
Recovered 20 +5
Deaths 1
Tests 1920 +5
Solono county
confirmed cases 73 +12
Deaths 1
Active cases 33 +10
total hospitalizations 22 No Change
Marin County
Surveillance
Confirmed cases 131 +13
Deaths 6 No change
persons tested at County site 774
Hospitalizations 16 No change
Santa Cruz County
Dashboard
Total cases 59 +2
Tests 794 Negative
Hospitalized 9
deaths 1
Napa County
Active case 20 +2
Deaths 2 +1
The state is reporting 65% of tests are unprocessed due to lab constraints. The backlog of 59,000 pending tests is growing. Waits are as long as 12 days. More than 90,000 tests have been administered statewide.
Another nursing home was hit with 27 out of 47 patients coming down with the virus. The state has acquired almost 7000 hotel rooms for the homeless. There are 901 patients with the virus statewide in ICU.
38 million N95 masks have been distributed to hospital and medical staff statewide. More than 74,000 people have applied to the state’s program to enlist more health workers.

Posted by: dltravers | Apr 4 2020 0:19 utc | 102

Posted by: Likklemore | 94
It doesn’t seem to matter how much the US hoses the EU they’ll still fall in lockstep when Trump says “jump”.
Russian declaration aimed at stopping sanctions amid coronavirus crisis REJECTED at UN General Assembly

Posted by: Tobi | Apr 4 2020 0:26 utc | 103

None of this is settled science. While scientists point to the possibility of such transmission for all respiratory viruses, none have bothered to quantify this. The presence of viral RNA on a small droplet may not be sufficient to cause infection
This sheds more light
https://www.nap.edu/read/25769/chapter/1
Its also been documented that mask and other protective gear can collect the virus and the virus might go airborne upon the gear being removed
One also should consider hair as virus collector, which then goes airborne in a breeze or during brushing. Of course, no evidence like with droplets from breathing if viral quantity is sufficient to cause infection
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.08.982637v1
People dont seem to understand virus can also infect via your eyes so you need goggles too. While I think masks are a good idea (unless they are being reused or worn for long periods) , thats mainly to keep those with symptoms from releasing too much virus by coughing or sneezing (or spittle when the talk).

Posted by: Pft | Apr 4 2020 0:34 utc | 104

It gets worse: there’s now evidence that this virus can be transmitted AFTER symptoms have resolved. See: https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.202003-0524LE

Posted by: Stephen Morrell | Apr 4 2020 0:55 utc | 105

US numbers – confirmed cases and deaths looking good. Venezuela and Iran may be safe for awhile if US is tied up in its domestic corona virus problems.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 4 2020 1:09 utc | 106

Either the virus is mutating, or the previous data was incomplete (or both):
Coronavirus: ‘More and more’ young people experiencing severe disease, WHO warns
Dr. Kerkhove also called everybody to simmer down on the propaganda warfare over the national death rates:

However Dr Van Kerkhove also urged caution in comparing death rates around the world, saying that ”we have some time to go before we can really understand what mortality looks like across different countries”.

Posted by: vk | Apr 4 2020 1:19 utc | 107

I realise few will since amerikans are 100% exceptionalist right up to their last breath but please read the best article by far on masks & respirators cleaning issues esp such ones as ‘steam’ cleaning are on this link I posted earlier.
It is written by Dr John Campbell who has been writing on this virus for several months. My brother the retired journo recommended him to me in early February, so naturally I have been assiduous in ignoring the bloke for that reason, combined with the fact Campbell is an englander, but he has put together an excellent piece on masks & respirators, one which uses y’know those pesky fact things to support his statements about assorted items efficacy, longevity and ability to be cleaned. With respirators 95% & above he recommends having several and rotating them so that they cop 4-5 days down time which should be enough time for the virus to kark it of its own accord.
I don’t believe for a moment that will stop the continual spouting of uninformed claptrap, but I tried.

Posted by: A User | Apr 4 2020 1:22 utc | 108

@ 39 / 42 anon.. thanks for that.. interesting speculation on the connection to the blood… i guess we’ll have to wait and see.. someone much earlier mentioned certain blood types seem more predisposed to this then others… none of this has been confirmed as far as i know…
@ 68 jen… thanks for going over the fine points regarding the question on smokers.. cheers..
@ 77 uncle tungsten… thanks for the link.. i am going to read it right now… cheers…
@ 107 dltravers… thanks for these daily updates on the california san fran area changes.. would you like to comment more generally on it all? thanks..
@ 112 peter au… sad, but probably true.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Apr 4 2020 1:29 utc | 109

uncle t… it was a short article!!! in fact john helmer has been covering this ground for a number of years.. it looks like yasha levine just jumped in much more recently.. he is not really adding anything that john helmer hasn’t already covered, but yasha might be bringing it to a wider audience which would be good… the national papers will not touch this with a 100 foot pole! anyway.. thanks for this and i do hope more canucks are made aware of it then the odd few which would include me.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Apr 4 2020 1:34 utc | 110

Where is the Smokers reference?

Posted by: Zico the Musketeer | Apr 4 2020 2:17 utc | 111

” The German Robert Koch Institute now even advises against autopsies of test-positive deceased persons because the risk of droplet infection by aerosols is allegedly too high. In many cases, this means that the real cause of death can no longer be determined.
A specialist in pathology comments on this as follows: „Who might think evil of it! Up to now, it has been a matter of course for pathologists to carry out autopsies with appropriate safety precautions even in the case of infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, tuberculosis, PRION diseases, etc. It is quite remarkable that in a disease that is killing thousands of patients all over the world and bringing the economy of entire countries to a virtual standstill, only very few autopsy findings are available (six patients from China). From the point of view of both the epidemic police and the scientific community, there should be a particularly high level of public interest in autopsy findings. However, the opposite is the case. Are you afraid of finding out the true causes of death of the positively tested deceased? Could it be that the numbers of corona deaths would then melt away like snow in the spring sun?“
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
It’s like the Stockholm Syndrome. There’s a reason they call it the idiot box.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 4 2020 2:20 utc | 112

B. If your going to look for science studies about this virus, may I ask you to use your connections to find peer reviewed papers that cite studies which have, in the laboratory, isolated the ncov19 virus from a human, and using an electronic microscope, photographed the virus. I’m betting that you won’t find one. You can ask the WHO, the CDC, NIH or any other health organization, but I doubt you will get an answer.

Posted by: joetv | Apr 4 2020 2:43 utc | 113

Can’t imagine that paper from vacuum cleaner bags holds up real well when exposed to exhaled moisture.
Now, there are certainly filter “papers” made out of polyester, and those would hold up much better if exposed to moisture. Wet-Dry vacuums and Heating-Ventilation-Air Conditioning filters use such “paper”, but it’s been folded when made into those filters. One can buy rolls the the polyester filter paper from industrial supply companies, if they’re not sold out.

Posted by: Jay | Apr 4 2020 2:53 utc | 114

US numbers – confirmed cases and deaths looking good. Venezuela and Iran may be safe for awhile if US is tied up in its domestic corona virus problems.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 4 2020 1:09 utc | 112

Is this sarcasm? U.S. has 277,000 confirmed and half the States are not testing or hardly, and over 7,000 deaths; only today around 1,321 deaths.
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Trump refuses to wear a mask cause he thinks he won’t look good in a mask, but President Xi wears a mask and so does the President of Spain, Sanchez, and Macron.
I wonder why the French death rate is so high in the past 2 days: 1120 and 1355?
Another question: What’s up with Trump and the National Stockpile? Methinks he might be hoarding for the Red States that vote for him.
And then he demanded 3M stop shipping N95 respirators to Canada and Latin America, and Trudeau fired back about Canadian nurses helping out in Detroit hospitals.
3M stop exporting to Canada

Posted by: Circe | Apr 4 2020 3:06 utc | 115

“What is an unrefereed preprint?”: Before formal publication in a scholarly journal, scientific and medical articles are traditionally certified by “peer review.” In this process, the journal’s editors take advice from various experts—called “referees”—who have assessed the paper and may identify weaknesses in its assumptions, methods, and conclusions. Typically a journal will only publish an article once the editors are satisfied that the authors have addressed referees’ concerns and that the data presented support the conclusions drawn in the paper.
Because this process can be lengthy, authors use the medRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as “preprints” before certification by peer review, allowing
other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.
We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous.
This is Doctor Jargon used to tell patients “This is a ‘Conspiracy Theory’ and I won’t give you an Rx for it”. This is what was said about Dr Raoult’s Chloroquine Rx that he had been using successfully for 4 years to treat his MERS and SARS patients and what he has used successfully on his COVID-19 patients. The key is that it must be used as soon as COVID-19 is suspected with or without a + test which take 3-4 days to get back. When you get sick the virus has been in your throat for 5 days. Then it moves into your lower lungs. Before you know you have spread it to 2 other people who don’t know they have it and they have spread it to 4 other unknown persons who don’t know they have it, wash and repeat. This means there is a long string of “Unknown Unknown Unknowns ….” and you know what that means and it ain’t good.

Posted by: William H Warrick MD | Apr 4 2020 3:06 utc | 116

I don’t know if the article in Wall Street On Parade linked to below has been posted before on not. The sheer volume of comments at MoA is becoming burdensome and I now check every commenter before reading and skip quite a few.
Unmasking the Truth on Masks to Protect Against Coronavirus: Fire the Surgeon General
When you have a managed form of social organization that values profit over public good, you have the Western governments and global private finance setting human morals…..fairly low, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2020 3:18 utc | 117

I haven’t seen this specifically mentioned so I’ll offer it. My local newspaper of all things, published an editorial today calling for more people in our community to “mask up”. It included this wonderful phrase that captures the true social dynamic and the logic of the situation:
“I’ll wear a mask to protect you, and you wear a mask to protect me.”
What’s nice about this social compact is that it costs almost nothing, is in plentiful, makeshift supply (we’re including bandanas and scarves – anything), and surely must do more good than harm, no matter how real or unreal the danger is, nor how prone to mishap or not the wearing of a mask is.
Such a compact surely must be a social good. If only there had been masks in the US – or leadership willing to plunge humble and naked into the realities of the situation and learn from Asia so we could all start making our own masks – then perhaps the US would not have had to do the most stupid thing possible to its lean productive economy, namely, shutting down the entire entrepreneur class of the country and throwing their employees into hazard and poverty.
Given that there was no safety net, and never was going to be despite the talk of the first few days, it could have saved countless deaths from poverty if the people if the US had learned the new social rules, including mask and physical distance etiquette immediately, and kept many of the businesses open instead of driving them to bankruptcy.
So the US is very late to the party, and will pay the price, but now the people who survive must learn how to live in the new normal. Masking-up in public seems the least impactful of all responses.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 4 2020 3:24 utc | 118

In terms of mask construction, part of the filtration effect is electrostatic capture of drops. Wetting / moisture reduces the efficiency of this mechanism and cotton cloth absorbs water easily and are therefore not very effective. Surgical masks are made of woven polypropylene which does not wet as easily and retains more of the electrostatic filtration effect. Home made masks might be better made with man made fibres rather than cotton.
ALSO 3M sells sheets of Filtrete material which makes a good insert.

Posted by: Ian | Apr 4 2020 3:33 utc | 119

@ Grieved | Apr 4 2020 3:24 utc | 125 about the social piety of wearing masks in public
I just came from reading that Trump is refusing to wear a mask which is as clear a tell as can be that the virus came from the US and Trump has been given the vaccine.
Think about how it plays to Trump’s ego. He gets to continue to play impervious mafia don watching others suffer/die to exert perverse world power and control.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2020 3:44 utc | 120

Penelope @ 119
I browsed through the Handbook on the Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 based on the Wuhan outbreak experience. According to that handbook proper treatment of corpses involves stuffing all corpse body orifices with cotton soaked in chorine solution to prevent viral shed, indicating postmortem contamination is serious problem.

Posted by: susan | Apr 4 2020 3:59 utc | 121

James @115
You want me to comment on what i think about the posted numbers in the SF Bay Area? I am not sure what to think with all the BS floating around. It is available evidence out there as to what is happening. I think our area started to turn down today. We may see a relaxation of the distancing rules next month in this area.
A quick shutdown of the region seemed to work well. We were the first in the US

Posted by: dltravers | Apr 4 2020 4:50 utc | 122

I have found squirting salt water in the nose and mouth helps fight respiratory illnesses. It probably doesn’t help the lungs but is surprisingly effective for the throat and sinuses.

Posted by: Edward | Apr 4 2020 5:11 utc | 123

The Greasemonkey script ‘Barfly Tools’ seems to be broken, perhaps because of Firefox update. Anyone else notice it not working?

Posted by: occupatio | Apr 4 2020 5:35 utc | 124

Studies by citizen journalists. Very funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pIMD1enwd4

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 4 2020 5:47 utc | 125

Richard Steven Hack@69
Tomas Pueyo the author of the report you cited endorses this model
for the progression of the pandemic:
https://covidactnow.org/
It appears that the Trump administration is seriously underestimatingthe consequences of the COVID-19 epidemic.
Trump and even the Democratic leaning mainstream media are citing
the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) model at the University of Washington
for projected hospital use and the death rates from each mitigation approach.
This model projects that 93,765 US residents will die of COVID19 by August 4, 2020 (death rate of 0.025%).
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections.
The IHME model is politically acceptable as it pushes public panic into the future.
The model uses a curve fit and disease progression curve from China.
Unfortunately, there is no way the US public would comply with this strict stay-at-home policy.
As such, the upper limit of 2.2 million dead is a underestimate and the ultimate number of deaths may be in the range of 6-8 million.
The Space Coast Research Institute of Economic Reasoning projects that up to 33 million may die.
http://scrier.org/today/
The limiting factor to the number of dead in the US is the percent of the population
who exhibit co-morbidities that correlate with age.
This limits total deaths to about 12 million assuming a 70% infection rate.

Posted by: Krollchem | Apr 4 2020 6:11 utc | 126

Circe 122
Reason for the jump in numbers is French have started adding those that die of the virus in nursing homes. Before it was only those that die of the virus in a hospital.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 4 2020 6:24 utc | 127

So the expert advice that we heard for so long – wash your hands but don’t bother with any kind of masking was not very helpful

Posted by: Patrick Armstrong | Apr 4 2020 7:20 utc | 128

Basically,in Turkey I am under “house arrest” and social distance when out, wearing a mask in markets, if not on the nearly empty streets. I wash my hands regularly, and only venture out two or three times a week for food. Of course Istanbul doesn’t seem to have problems of mass hoarding and panic, as does the US cities and country. There are stocked shelves in the market, and half the people tend to wear masks outside. Most shopkeepers that are open wear masks and latex gloves. In fact, the only shortage at the markets are cheap latex gloves, however, you can get the better quality more expensive ones at pharmacies. Masks are also fairly plentiful. I haven’t been to a hospital, so I can’t say if they are overwhelmed. I haven’t noticed anything like that on the news.
The US reports on MoA and other sites are hard for me to imagine here: the sheer irrational panic, the shortages of masks, toilet paper?? What the heck is going on there? Is it incompetence or calculation, maybe a little of both.
I worry as well about the calls from some on MoA to block dissenting voices. This even from such long respected members. We still need debate and discussion, and skepticism. This is also why we must worry about some of our governments’ large corporate institutions reactions and question them and their motives. Their politco-economic decisions will cost us more in lives and a suppresion of freedoms than anything we do to counteract the virus individually.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Apr 4 2020 7:34 utc | 129

137, I should have added “Their politco-economic decisions will cost us more in lives and a suppresion of freedoms than anything we do to counteract the virus individually or even that the virus can actually do. As far as I know there are not any corona virus vaccines for the six other corona viruses, so we should not assume an effective one will be developed, eventually, we may just have to live with our own developed immunity to the virus and the bacteria that work with it. It may just evolve into a fifth human corona virus.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Apr 4 2020 7:41 utc | 130

Circe is asking why the figures are so bad in France. My answer:
-doctors in France are on the average BAD, as in REALLY BAD. They are inoculated with odd ideas such as “your diet does not play
a role in your health”; “vitamins are a Big Pharma scam”; “sport does not make a difference, it can even be dangerous
for your health”.
-it seems from the stories everywhere in care homes that people with a lower immunity get hit badly
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52147861
and I wonder how French doctors are so unanimously bad that we haven’t seen yet a petition to ask the gov to let people go out
and practice some sport (more than 1 hour per day and within 1 km from their home)
They already start to find corpses at home. These people have been told (and are still told on gov media) that only paracetamol
is the cure when they start having symptoms. No mention of vitamin c of vitamin d anywhere.
Only a collectivist answer should be given/should have been given, that includes delivering fruits and vegetables to every household
that include a person at risk or has a low income. This could have been simply organized by city councils but the French gov
made sure these were plugged off.
The current lockdown is a joke that only profits the GAFA, Cambridge analytics and their likes, in collaboration with Macron etc.
What we have now is people working in care homes, supermarkets, hospitals or the police with no equipment (they fine people and tell
them that for their protection they should not get out… but do that without masks for themselves!) who go back home and do spread the
virus. Then the people newly infected directly within their house arrest go out and spread it while touching products in supermarkets
or working in care or at a police station…
At this stage I wonder if they should not rather all go on strike.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 4 2020 7:55 utc | 131

I forgot to add: you can ask anyone who has been to a practice or a hospital (and is able to compare with
examples outside France) about the hygiene there. It is abysmal.
Wearing protective equipments on top of your shoes or hair in certain places is unheard of except in the operating room
and even that is not entirely obeyed (even worse now with phones).
I speak from what I saw and luckily I have not been in hospital often.
In Eastern Europe however, I remember that even a simple visit at a specialist would require you wash your hands with
antibacterial solution and leave your shoes for some paper ones.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 4 2020 8:01 utc | 132

there are scientists who think one thing. others the opposite. some are silenced, others promoted. sir b, why are you hiding this?
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10-more-experts-criticising-the-coronavirus-panic/
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

Posted by: VenomBag | Apr 4 2020 8:21 utc | 133

Thanks very much b for this super-informative article on how masks protect you 🙂 🙂 🙂

Posted by: deschutes | Apr 4 2020 8:29 utc | 134

The value of the tracking apps is not that you find out in real time that you are near an infected person.
Just like with NSA datagathering the main value is backtracing after you find out someone has been infected so that you can contact those most likely to have been infected as well.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 4 2020 8:40 utc | 135

The info provided by snakebird about women wearing abaya is very interesting. Since the figures in Italy and China
have been around 70% men and 30% women dying from CV/with CV I am curious to know if the figures will be different in
the Gulf or Iran/Iraq.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/366565/World/Region/Iraq-suspends,-fines-Reuters-news-agency-over-viru.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Apr 4 2020 8:58 utc | 136

It is not yet clear for me how symptomatic and presymptomatic transmission have to mean the transmission is directly through the air from person to person. If you think of all the paths of transmission having dilution-over-time factors then ‘environmental’ only means not nearby in time and space. and symptomatic means nearby, whether it is through air or intermediate objects. So I would not dismiss hand hygiene in favor of masks right away.
Also WHO emphasizes its concern with bad usage of masks. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks . Their advice is outdated since they ignore presymptomatic transmission but still we should be aware that in realistic conditions masks get used for long periods(a workday) and get reused. The experiments were with clean fresh masks. In Belgium the policy is in line with WHO and it is additionally motivated by concerns that a rush for ‘officially approved’ masks leads to a shortage for those who need it most. These concerns are valid. So I would be in favour of advice taking the form of ‘create yourself a dozen masks’.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 4 2020 10:06 utc | 137

If this model is right (Campbell on a study saying that maybe 50% already caught it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1aoULlMpn0
it means that when Europe, UK, US were not conducting any tests in January and February, the virus was being transmitted
through their mass transportations, mainly trains, metro, buses, etc, and planes with a peak during the various February
holidays. The toll in care homes is the result of many asymptomatics (workers and families) spreading the virus, which
indeed is particularly lethal to a weak organism (cf. BoJo did not need to take a leave and most politicians who advocate
the use of masks and self-isolation do not apply the rules to themselves).

Posted by: Mina | Apr 4 2020 10:14 utc | 138

Posted by: Krollchem | Apr 4 2020 6:11 utc | 134 The limiting factor to the number of dead in the US is the percent of the population who exhibit co-morbidities that correlate with age. This limits total deaths to about 12 million assuming a 70% infection rate.
You may be right. I’m not an expert in even basic statistics, and I have no idea if any of these models is correct or if even any of their assumptions and datasets they’re working with is correct. But it is the reasoning that Pueyo uses that makes sense to me: Bite the bullet now or the bullet bites you, both in terms of lines *and* economic impact.
As I’ve said before, though, the bottom line is: it’s going to be a crapshoot as to who gets it, who doesn’t, how many get it, what the overall death percentage will be for any given age group (although it is absolutely clear that people over 60 are the most vulnerable), and what the overall economic impact will be. I found his latest article on the latter interesting, in that if the US bites the bullet, the economy will rebound within a couple years. Of course, as he notes, compared with the 1918 flu, the economy today isn’t the same as it was then. So again…a crapshoot…

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 4 2020 10:14 utc | 139

San Francisco County: Positive cases 497 +47 Deaths 7 No change
I’m still not understanding this. Santa Clara and many counties around San Francisco have been hit significantly harder than San Francisco. I realize that we went into lockdown on March 16, when there were very few cases. But the other counties followed very quickly. But it strikes me that something is wrong. Granted San Francisco is actually a “small” county of only eight hundred thousand people. But I’m suspicious of why we’ve only had 7 deaths, when other counties are reporting considerably more – except for those countries with even smaller populations like Marin. Santa Clara has only 127,000 people and it’s getting hammered with cases and deaths at twice the rate of San Francisco.
Contra Costa County health officials on Friday confirmed an outbreak of COVID-19 at a facility that houses seniors. At least 27 people have tested positive. Man, I’d hate to be living there at my age.
My building is full of seniors and immune-compromised drunks and druggies (Tenderloin Housing Clinic property.) I fear the virus will rip through my building and that half the occupants will be on ventilators or dead by late May. A *lot* of these people are *not* following distance guidelines or staying in their rooms like I am.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 4 2020 10:33 utc | 140

“The state has acquired almost 7000 hotel rooms for the homeless.”
Heh, that takes care of less than *half* the estimated 17,000 homeless in San Francisco alone. And I damn sure wouldn’t want to live in any of those buildings. The one I’m in is bad enough.
As far as I can tell San Francisco has *still* done *nothing* about getting the homeless into some sort of mass temporary housing (with distance provisions) with food and medical and virus testing. This should have been done as soon as the lockdown order was issued almost three weeks ago.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 4 2020 10:39 utc | 141

The original target of the empire’s bio attack, China, drops to sixth place in the infection rankings. Meanwhile the Operation Mockingbird mass media spew jingoistic garbage literally claiming that the pandemic is a Chinese plot to take over the world.
Western tools of empire project their evil deeds and intentions onto others. It is sub-sentient and reflexive behavior. They cannot help themselves.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 4 2020 11:25 utc | 142

Some promising good news from Oz labs.
“Coronavirus: Anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin kills COVID-19 in lab within 48 hours”
“An anti-parasitic drug available throughout the world has been found to kill COVID-19 in the lab within 48 hours.
A Monash University-led study has shown a single dose of the drug Ivermectin could stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture.
“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA (effectively removed all genetic material of the virus) by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr Kylie Wagstaff said on Friday.
While it’s not known how Ivermectin works on the virus, the drug likely stops the virus dampening the host cells’ ability to clear it.
The next step is for scientists to determine the correct human dosage, to make sure the level used in vitro is safe for humans.” …
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/anti-parasitic-drug-kills-covid-19-in-lab-c-955457

Posted by: imo | Apr 4 2020 11:39 utc | 143

@phychohistorian117. Thanks for the link. I for one knew the fix was in. Don’t wear masks they say, they won’t help. Then… don’t wear masks you don’t know how to use them properly… then don’t use masks there aren’t enough for healthcare.
As I am not to keen on believing impossible things they lost me at “they won’t help’.
Its almost like they wanted transmission to snowball, or is that an ‘impossible’ thing.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 4 2020 11:53 utc | 144

janet thornhill #142

MoA has sold out
What a crock of shit this is

This story is right on taget> Letter to Trump.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 4 2020 11:58 utc | 145