Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 16, 2020
The Recovery Will Not Be V-Shaped

During the last four weeks 22 million workers in the U.S. filed for unemployment insurance. Some 10 to 15 million additional workers were not eligible but also lost their jobs.

Michael Hudson extrapolates from there:

Ross: Ultimately, where does this end? Because if in 12 weeks time, people can’t afford to enter into the social norms, enter into the economy, live, put bread on the table, where does that logically finish?

Michael Hudson: With the American economy looking pretty much like Greece. It’ll be austerity. There will be people who don’t have jobs. They are going to be evicted from their apartments. They will have run through their savings. They will not be able to pay their credit card debt and other debts so arrears are going to rise. The banks would be squeezed, but Trump says that although we can’t save the people, we can save the banks. The Federal Reserve has enough money to keep all the banks afloat, even if they’re not getting the mortgage payments, even if they’re not able to collect on their loans. The banks can now make up for the money they’re not getting by having a huge new market: lending money to private capital and to the large companies to buy out these small businesses that are going under. It’s a bonanza.

A bonanza for the 1%.

But the oligarchs who rule the United States are probably miscalculating this crisis:

“U.S. stocks are pricing in a V-shaped economic recovery even more keenly than elsewhere in the world, so are vulnerable in the case that exits from lockdowns globally and in the U.S. prove more complicated,” said Edmund Shing, head of global equity derivative strategy at BNP Paribas SA.

The crisis will not be over before the fat lady sings. That lady has not even entered the house. A recovery will not be V-shaped. The economy will not spring back into action as soon as the lockdowns are over. It will be a long slog. The U.S. economy always depends on consumer resilience. But with more than 30 million people out of jobs there will be a huge fall of demand compared to before the pandemic.

It is also likely that there will be more than one wave of the pandemic. During summer the case numbers will probably recede but they are likely to go up again during the fall. In between the pandemic will slowly burn through more of the population but mostly out of view because of many asymptomatic cases. When it comes back it will be in a different way. During the first wave the infections started first in place A then in place B then place C all depending on traffic and contact pattern. But the second wave will likely come, as it did during the Spanish flu, as one big wall that will hit all places at the same time. That will make it more difficult to allocate resources.

Pandemics are, as Nassim Taleb and other have pointed out, fat tail events where normal statistics no longer apply. They are not symmetric Gaussian distributions curves where the way down from high case numbers has a similar shape as the way up had. The way down is actually much longer and more of a very slow decline which might even include additional eruptions.

To expect a V-shaped return to a normal economy under these circumstance is foolish.

The political consequences will be huge. A wide public demand for more social policies will come into conflict with a recalcitrant oligarchy. Can that conflict be solved within the current U.S. system?

There are a few signs for hope. The first two vaccines developed in China are now in their first phase of human testing and more are coming. Some of them may actually work. A mass producible effective vaccine would mean that the fat lady has started to sing.

There is also the curiosity that most children not only do not fall ill with the covid-19 disease but do not get infected at all. Further research into the phenomenon could point to a protection mechanism that might be exploitable for the protection of adults.

On the sad side the Economist has started to systematically cover 'excess death' from the pandemic and finds that all official death numbers are serious undercounts.

Comments

While vaccines may be problematic, a youth restoring elixir may solve the problem! This is really reassuring.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 16 2020 18:02 utc | 1

Seems like the alternatives are a muddled rearrangement similar to the post-Soviet space with consequent criminality and social collapse or a Bonapartist administrative adventure if the US military doesn’t resist demands for it to arbitrate the conflict between public and oligarchs.

Posted by: Ralph Reed | Apr 16 2020 18:09 utc | 2

It is good to see an article focusing on the effects on the economy and how that effects people, because that is the real disaster from the actions of the governments.
Also good to see a reference to the Spanish flu, where 50-100 million people died world wide. Today the number is 143 thousand, a number 3 orders of magnitudes smaller.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 16 2020 18:10 utc | 3

Canada has got UBI up and running already. Spain too
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/15/feds-expand-emergency-benefit-program/
Are you a grocery or delivery worker?
“As part of expanded relief measures, Trudeau said the federal government was working with provinces to top up the pay of essential workers who earn less than $2,500 a month.”

Posted by: BostonTom | Apr 16 2020 18:21 utc | 4

Thanks b, it’s time to put on thinking cap. It’s the “new normal” that’s what one of my niece said!
Good luck everyone…..

Posted by: JC | Apr 16 2020 18:28 utc | 5

Those 1200 check that came in, my granda did not get one because my mom claims her as a dependent, also my 20 year old cousin didnt get his because his mom claim him depended on her taxes. Any excuse they can find to not give you that check they will find it, but mega corps can get trillions no problem

Posted by: Bob | Apr 16 2020 18:48 utc | 6

Is this is sign of things to come?
With assault rifles, protesters protest in #Michigan
https://twitter.com/rolandotelesur/status/1250856546894073856?s=21

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 16 2020 18:49 utc | 7

Treasury Sec Mnuchin said, in early March, that the economy is fundamentally sound.
He was wrong.
The US and other advanced economies (like Germany and Japan) were seriously slowing down.
Yes, stock markets were high, inflation was low, housing was strong and unemployment was low.
But rates of corporate profit were sinking, corporate debt was at record levels, real business investment was negligible, wages were up but still at ridiculously low historical levels, and inequality kept growing. World trade had also slowed considerably. Trump’s tax cuts for the rich were merely pocketed or used for stock buybacks. Low interest rates kept things afloat, and the Fed had already reversed course on monetary tightening.
The US was on the verge of a recession, and the pandemic was merely an extreme trigger.
Marxist economic theory says that a crisis is resolved when enough dead capital is purged, labor devalued, and profit rates restored.
That will mean a further concentration of capital at the top, and further immisseration of the working class.
The US state is so captured by capital that it won’t manage the crisis equitably.
The pool of social misery will be a source of fascist and revolutionary socialist politics.
This will create more instability.
Lastly, we can’t ignore the working out of capitalist contradictions through inter-imperialist rivalries.
In our era, that means rivalries between the US, Russia and China, with Germany and Japan included in a second tier.
Expect Trump to escalate the trade war, further restrict exports to China, block Chinese corporate requirements, and threathen China’s debt holdings as some form of “reparations.” Expect military saber rattling to increase around Taiwan in addition to shows of strength from Guam (B52 flights).
In other words, recall Bukharin’s warning that trade wars are only “partial sorties.” In the end, they will be solved by “real force…the force of arms.”
What we are witnessing is an unprecedented concentration of all contradictions of global capitalism and imperialism.

Posted by: Prof K | Apr 16 2020 18:57 utc | 8

I refuse to look at this situation as anything more than an opportunity for the wide change for the West that many here have advocated over the years.
There will always be the temptation to ask for mercy during this time and a return to NWO-globalist-consumer-driven Nightmare where populations outright ignore the horrible behavior around the globe that the elite spread and make victim-countries endure.
What y’all have been railing against for years is the terrible grip of the globalists and the absolute hilarious excuse for global government in the U.N. and similar supranational entities.
Why then, would you ask for relief, when what we will see in the next few years is the truth stripped bare and their narrative fall away? In order for this to happen, the U.S. and the West need to suffer. I don’t see what is so hard to take from this notion.
Those who genuinely care for their neighbor will again rise to the front with the chance to reaffirm what humanity needs to do to live in balance.
Of course people will die. But life is not worth living in darkness.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Apr 16 2020 19:03 utc | 9

As usual, I’ll point readers to Shadowstats for its most recent reporting. An example:
“Week-Ended April 11th New Unemployment Claims Continued to Surge, Consistent With April 2020 U.3 Unemployment of Over 22%, Versus 4.4% in March (April 16th, Department of Labor – DOL).”
Note those are the doctored Department of Labor stats, not those displayed by Shadowstats, whose current graph doesn’t yet include the latest figures. It reported unemployment at 22.9% as of 3 April; so, we should expect real unemployment to be over 40% when its next graphic’s published.
I must emphasize the importance of following what’s being reported by Max and Stacy on the Keiser Report and suggest starting with the March 26 episode or earlier if possible. The meat of the program’s delivered in the first 13-15 minute segment, the second half being an interview with Max and that show’s guest, most of which I skip when watching with the wife; the program’s synopses usually provide the guest’s name. So, those 10 shows listed at the link would take @150 minutes to watch–a very short amount of time given the amount of information supplied.
The Hudson transcript b cites at the top comes from this Renegade Inc program where he’s teamed with Socialist Economist Richard Wolff that I’ve linked to in several comments. It’s under 30 minutes, too, and another excellent investment of your time. Wolff has two new items at his website, his recent RT op/ed blasting Capitalism and the video of his recent Crosstalk appearance. I also suggest following economist Steven Keen’s Twitter from where you can get to his Patreon page and such for even more info.
Yes, it’s close to a fulltime job just to keep abreast with current events let alone dig into the past, which is why news media is so important as is their failure. Most people are now at home and have the time to become informed. Let’s all continue trying to help them and ourselves.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 16 2020 19:05 utc | 10

The global elites have no one to blame but themselves for the economic catastrophe that is currently unfolding as a result of the corona virus pandemic. There will also be no where to hide and probably no where to stash their ill gotten wealth. After decades of advocating and practicing discredited economic policies that can be best described as warmed-over late 19th and early 20th century economics, (aka: austerity) the chickens, so to speak, are coming home to roost. The same will apply to the political hacks, grafters and corporate greed heads who also made this economic disaster possible. What the end result will be however, is unknown. The future can go in many ways. But as the late Robert Heilbroner wrote in his book “The Worldly Philosophers” some 70 years ago: “Economics is the only science that puts men on the barricades.”

Posted by: GeorgeV | Apr 16 2020 19:12 utc | 11

there will be no economy. feudalism. post-neo-feudalism?

Posted by: albagen | Apr 16 2020 19:18 utc | 12

Nemesiscalling @9–
Of course people will die. But life is not worth living in darkness.
Stacy invokes Dicken’s Tale of Two Cities in this Keiser Report episode that speaks to your above quote. The main point is things will worsen much more before any improvement occurs. Stacy being an optimist sees something better emerging from the wreckage, while Max remains cynical–mirroring the feelings of many here. IMO, invoking Dickens was masterful. We should be as lucky as the French to emerge at the end of the Napoleonic Era with a Republic; but, even that will take prodigious effort and struggle.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 16 2020 19:24 utc | 13

Bill Bonner, September 7, 2018:
You’ll recall that Fed policy always consists of the same three mistakes… 1) Keeping interest rates too low for too long, resulting in too much debt; 2) Raising interest rates to try to gently deflate the debt bubble; and 3) Cutting rates in a panic when stocks fall and the economy goes into recession.
Well, here comes the Big Bang: Mistake #4 – rarely seen, but always regretted.
Mistake #4 is what the feds do when their backs are to the wall… when they’ve run out of Mistakes 1 through 3.
It’s a typical political trade-off. The future is sacrificed for the present. And the welfare of the public is tossed aside to buy money, power, and influence for the elite.
Every debt expansion ends in a debt contraction. Stocks crash. Jobs are lost. The economy goes into reverse, correcting the mistakes of the previous boom.
Investors see their money entombed. Householders await foreclosures. The authorities scream: Apocalypse Now!

https://www.bonnerandpartners.com/bill-bonner-diary/americas-oil-boom-is-a-fraud/

Posted by: Mao | Apr 16 2020 19:46 utc | 14

Canada has got UBI up and running already. Spain too
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/15/feds-expand-emergency-benefit-program/
Are you a grocery or delivery worker?
“As part of expanded relief measures, Trudeau said the federal government was working with provinces to top up the pay of essential workers who earn less than $2,500 a month.”
Posted by: BostonTom | Apr 16 2020 18:21 utc | 4

Posted by: Realist | Apr 16 2020 19:53 utc | 15

I have few to add to Posted by: Prof K | Apr 16 2020 18:57 utc | 8.
Only like to complement his comment on two very important aspects to pay attention to from now on:
1) This pandemic is different from 2008 for the fact that, while 2008 was a general crisis of capitalism that was triggered from the American financial system, the COVID-19 crisis is a general crisis of capitalism that was triggered from the “real economy”, i.e. the producitive process of capital. This makes the COVID-19 crisis a much more formidable obstacle to capitalist reproduction than the 2008 Wall Street/European Union meltdown. And it’s important to highlight 2008 also wasn’t really V-shaped: it evolved into a depression after the 2010 euphoria.
2) It’s very unlikely the USA will collapse in a single historical event. As a capitalist nation, the USA is much more decentralized, fragmented and anarchic (in production and distribution of the wealth it produces and consumes) than the USSR. The USSR was a centrally planned economy: when Gorbachev committed the mistake of demoralizing and destroying the CPSU, he automatically destroyed the USSR. That will not be the case of the USA: the fall of Washington D.C. – or even Wall Street – would not be the immediate end of the USA. The most likely scenario for an end of the USA would be for a gradual and constant degeneration of its social structure, with or without balkanization (probably with). This balkanization would be very violent, because local capitalists would assemble private armies and fight against each other for supremacy and the reunification of the USA (a la Roman Empire). It would be a Mad Max cum Yugoslavia scenario. The problem with this is: who would be in control of the American nuclear arsenal? Will the USAAF be capable of stopping with the balkanization process and thus keep the country united? Will the USA anihilate the rest of the world before it would disappear, in an act of nihilism? A lot of known unknowns – let alone unknown unknowns.

Posted by: vk | Apr 16 2020 20:06 utc | 16

Realist @15
They are capitalist, so what more can you expect? At least they are not just printing dollars and delivering them by the pallet load to the rich like they are in the US. Those dollars in Spain and Canada at least pass through the hands of working stiffs once, which is more than can be said in the US.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 16 2020 20:06 utc | 17

I agree with your analysis that economic recovery will not be V shaped
That said, before reading your posting I skimmed other sites and read that at 6 pm tonight Trump will present the other side with another 2 trillion in “infrastructure monies”.
If this social economy reset ends up being as significant as it promises to be then it will, IMO, fundamentally change the market/sales driven consumptive culture of the West. With reduced consumptive demand driving increased unemployment on one side and increasing automation of labor on the other, humanity will genocide itself not paying attention to the repercussions this reality or not.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 16 2020 20:07 utc | 18

“Dollar Demisers” will be disappointed, but then since tmany of tgem claim to know a lot of theory but seem to have absolutely zero actual experience of the practice, disappointment is something they should by used to by now.
It’s not just the “petro-Dollar” you should be looking at, it’s the “Debt-Dollar”
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No, the dollar will only strengthen post-corona, as usual: it’s a crisis, after all
by Ramin Mazaheri for the Saker Blog
“Last November, in a then-boring but now-prescient 10-part series (I socialistically re-interpreted ex-Wall Streeter Nomi Prins’ book Collusion, which chronologically detailed the QE-spreading collusion between G20 central banks since 2008), I wrote the following in Part 3: QE paid for a foreign buying spree: developing countries hurt the most:

    “Yet by flooding the world with trillions of dollars via QE the US was able to, paradoxically, maintain dollar dependence despite their crimes. The US dollar share of global reserves today is 62%, almost exactly what it was in 2008. Combined with the other source of the crisis – the euro – the two combine for 82% of global reserves. By comparison, the yuan – which so many predict is about to dethrone the dollar – is at below 2%; I wouldn’t hold my breath.”

But corona is different, right? Two percent and 62% will suddenly change places, right?
No, more QE is more of the same thing, and this is a “thing” which has worked exactly as designed; it is also a “thing” which is never broached in the Mainstream Media: “A way to create debt traps which increase Western control over their neo-imperial subjects. … Neoliberal-capitalism financial policies must be viewed as a neo-imperial tool, of course.”
People are acting as if Western neoliberalism hasn’t worked, LOL? It has worked spectacularly well… but only for their 1% and not for “the nation”, exactly as designed.
Many fine semi-dissident commentators apparently do not follow high finance, nor can they interpret their actions, even though high finance is the West’s vanguard party (thus the theme of my recent series – “bankocracy”); they often incorrectly focus on an easier-to-grasp storyline of nationalist competition, which (like racism, sexism or tribalism) simply cannot ultimately take precedence over class warfare.
I’m not being dogmatic – this simply provides the fullest explanation of economic events. Reject what socialists could call the “conspiracy” of the 1% via class warfare? Then you likely move on to absurd, unprovable “conspiracy theories” involving secret cults, elaborate handshakes, ritual sacrifice, etc.
This is the bottom line which (whom I will call) “dollar-demisers” simply do not understand: For better or for worse (certainly worse), the US and their greenback are still the gold standard when it comes to 1%er perceptions of a safe harbour in a crisis.
This will hold true in 2020 just as it did in 2008.
Many semi-dissident analysts unwittingly take a rather Trotskyist view that capitalism will eventually implode under the weight of its own contradictions. It won’t – some rats always find a way to survive a sinking ship, eh? Thus, open socialist combat is the only way to defeat modern Western capitalism, and also to satisfyingly explain what is going on in the Western Great Recession/Depression 2.
So maybe the yuan will become the dominant currency… but not in two months, nor two years – maybe two decades? That’s a big “maybe”. In my lifetime, I think.…
Until then, please believe me: Western globalisation/neoliberalism has a LOT of ammo, clout, clients, banks, real money, real gold, fake money and paper gold to keep their mighty dollar on top. Socialism teaches us: it is NOT just Americans who will deploy these weapons.”

Posted by: Realist | Apr 16 2020 20:08 utc | 19

The recovery will NOT be, but Trump will distract all Americans by screaming against China and how China is responsible for everything. Expect Americans to fall in line and the anti Russia hysteria to now turn into super anti China hysteria. Expect attacks against Asians in USA
And all because the Chinese were greedy bastards eager to make money and they quickly forgot history and how the Ango Saxon treated them just merely 150 years ago.
As somebody who grew up in Communist Eastern Europe it the 70s, I vividly remember how we were warned how the Americans will try to hurt us by spreading bio weapons. This was grilled into us over and over. The Communists knew. China better gt prepared, the West will try to rip them a brand new assholes. And they got nobody to blame but themselves!

Posted by: Hoyeru | Apr 16 2020 20:13 utc | 20

“In the Canadian context UBI appears to be nothing more the government subsidising corporations.”
What the government is doing is ensuring that individuals do not starve and that demand for basic goods does not disappear.
In a society riven by class struggle the next question to arise will be who pays for this? If the burden falls entirely on the backs of the taxpayers, most likely in the form of a funded debt requiring eternal service, then this will indeed be nothing more than a subsidy of the corporations and the class which owns them. A subsidy motivated in part by a fear of the consequences of depriving millions of people of their incomes.
On the other hand, if the benefit is paid for by restoring corporate taxes and income taxes to the levels that they were at as recently as 1970, or even, in keeping with wartime analogies, with the levels they were at in 1946 or 1950, then all will be to the good. Not least because, once the wealthy are taxed properly they will start to question the vast sums Canada spends on ‘Defence”, subsidies to Ukrainian fascists and adventures with the Lone Ranger of Washington DC, in Latin America.
The point is that what happens next is up, to a great extent, to us. Already hopeful signs in the shape of a spontaneous rash of strikes, and swings in public opinion behind social programmes, are to be seen: the green shoots in humanity’s Spring.
And Ralph Reed@2 may be forced to reconsider his pessimism: there is an alternative in the form of democracy. Those old enough to recall Occupy will remember how suddenly it happened and how quickly it spread.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 16 2020 20:13 utc | 21

Realist @15
They are capitalist, so what more can you expect? At least they are not just printing dollars and delivering them by the pallet load to the rich like they are in the US. Those dollars in Spain and Canada at least pass through the hands of working stiffs once, which is more than can be said in the US.
Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 16 2020 20:06 utc | 17
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This looks more like corporatism, not capitalism.
Mussolini defined Fascism thusly:

    “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power”

Posted by: Realist | Apr 16 2020 20:15 utc | 22

Magnier provides a different take on my Nurturing vs Parasitic Nation concept:
“#Coronavirus is changing the World. Superpower countries r not defined by the number of nuclear bombs they have but by:
“- Investment on health care, virus reaserch program, Number of Hospitals, ventilators & masks factories
“- The support to other countries at a time of Pandemic.”
IMO, the ease in predicting which nations would do best and fare worst prior to the pandemic was simple. The most unlawful, immoral nations would fare worst with the most lawful moral nations faring best, and that’s pretty much what’s occurred, with the worst now trying to convince the world black is white–again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 16 2020 20:16 utc | 23

I keep reading/hearing the “leadership” repeating the mantra…lifting restrictions depends….until a vaccine …likely in 18 months and
at b;
“There are a few signs for hope. The first two vaccines developed in China are now in their first phase of human testing and more are coming. Some of them may actually work. A mass producible effective vaccine would mean that the fat lady has started to sing.”
Don’t think so – too many strains. Billy G and Dr. Fauci are in tears. It will be sometime before the fat lady clears her throat for the first note: Albeit this study is yet to be peer-reviewed:-
Mutation strain from India could kill current research efforts for coronavirus vaccine: report

[.]Collaborators from Murdoch University in Australia along with research authors Wei-Lung of the National Changhua University of Education in Taiwan said the strain in India was the first report of a significant mutation of the series.
“The observation of this study raised the alarm that Sars-CoV-2 mutation that varied epitope (something that an antibody attaches itself to) profile could arise at any time. This means current vaccine development against Sars-CoV-2 is at great risk of becoming futile.”[.]

And for the meme on the vulnerable seniors. Hmmm, Canada at 29,929; in the heaviest hit Canadian province – Quebec – 69% of the 15,857 confirmed COVID-19 cases (April 16, 2020) are in the 0-59 years group. The separatists are pleading with the Federal government to send in military doctors. Discovering that Federalism works. Bien.
The recovery from the Great Depression 2.0 rides a timeline into 2025. It won’t be a V or an L.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 16 2020 20:18 utc | 24

I love that I’m retired, on a fixed income, with no dependents (not even a dog or a goldfish), living within my means (although I wish those means were far higher than they are) – and I’m getting $1,200 of free money from the government (plus an extra $100+ in food stamps.)
There was a piece of fiction in Playboy many years ago about people on unemployment. A couple guys were in the Unemployment office. One of them was an anarchist. The other asked: “What kind of anarchist takes money from the government?” The anarchist replies, “A smart one! Did you think anarchism was mental illness?”
As long as the government sends my Social Security checks, and the operation that supports my housing continues to function (that could get iffy in a Depression, but we’ll see), I can ride this period of economic problems out in relatively stable condition.
You know what they say about various catastrophes? “Only people in outlying regions survived.” Well, they were living in outlying regions because no one wanted them in the more populous areas. That’s me. I survive – like a cockroach – while the rest of you suffer.
In any event, if I can just last long enough to complete my planned course of study in computer hacking, subsequently money will be no problem – only it will be someone’s else’s money. Preferably Bill Gate’s money, since I hate the Windows operating system… thank God for Linux…and especially Kali Linux, the tool of choice for Mr. Robot…

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 16 2020 20:19 utc | 25

thanks b…covid has landed a head blow on capitalism… it’s not yet down for the count, but maybe when it returns in the fall…i kinda doubt it here as it’s right in time for circle the wagons jamboree! wall st and the fed are working hard to keep up appearances..
nice plug for nassim taleb.. he might sell a few more books as a consequence.. the last one – skin in the game – was an enjoyable read.. i think i have read 5 or 6 of his books now..
@ 4 bostontom.. it is “Workers who earn $1,000 or less a month will be able to access the CERB”. this was to cover those still working. many of us not working get covered whether we qualify for ei or not – self employed people qualify.. it is pretty hard not to quallify and it is monthy, for how long – i have no idea..
@ 15 realist… as @ 17 william gruff notes – at least it is going into our hands before it gets recycled back.. the same can’t be said for in the usa where you know boeing will be getting bailed out while the little people continue to get screwed… that is a fairly severe bit of into b shares at the top – “Some 10 to 15 million additional workers ( in the usa) were not eligible but also lost their jobs.” how is that going to work out? more tents in cities? the picture ain’t pretty here the usa will indeed be doing as boris said – ‘taking it on the chin’… at some point something has to give.. maybe @nemesis calling is correct.. we are finally at this point where the shit is hitting the fan.. i don’t expect capitalism to take it lying down.. they will have to continue to circle the wagons and indeed based on all past parallels – they will.. i agree with your last line @19..

Posted by: james | Apr 16 2020 20:23 utc | 26

foreclosures are lining up. People who have lost their good jobs are not paying rents for the better places, they moving to subsidized housing units, just walking off to government subsidized housing, leaving the small fry housing and third class rental space with nothing, but taxes, repairs and insurance to pay and not one think dime of income. next come the fire sales, and to add to the difficulty the stay at home has shown many smaller businesses physical office space is unnecessary.. so millions of square feet of office space is going to go dark.. its going to be Houston, 1980s all over the world Free rent for the first two of the next five years.
Oil prices and energy costs need to go to bottom.. $0.20 a gallon for gas is going to be difficult to pay. One way to get them down is to cut the military budget to the bone, but that will put millions of enlistees out of work. All prices are going to go down, way down. no matter how much pumping the crooks at the Fed do. Millions of people will no longer have cars.. People living in the country are going to grow their own or move to town, bicycles are coming more and more common.. there is no hobo train, few long distance buses, so transportation between places will be even slower than in 1930s.

Posted by: snake | Apr 16 2020 20:23 utc | 27

In a society riven by class struggle the next question to arise will be who pays for this? If the burden falls entirely on the backs of the taxpayers
Posted by: bevin | Apr 16 2020 20:13 utc | 22
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Its Canada under Justin Trudeau and Ukrainian-Nazi spawned Christina Freedland. What happens next, who pays, is pretty easy to predict.

Posted by: Realist | Apr 16 2020 20:24 utc | 28

Among the 21 million laid off so far, are millions of workers who never lost a job before. And next week will be worse. The deeper the cutbacks, the more experienced and valuable the employees let go.
The reaction with these millions of people is not to consume, to save every dime, to alter their lifestyle. This will keep the US in recession for years longer.
When you have lost your income, your savings go, your pension money goes, you begin to sell things, dime on the dollar if you are lucky. And you learn to not shop, not buy, to do without.
This is a traumatic moment in the US psyche and consumerism will be set back enormously.
All predictions of recovery are ludicrous.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Apr 16 2020 20:25 utc | 29

30 million jobless claims is no big deal to the federal government or Wall Street.
Average income in the United States is $63,000.
+30 million new joblessness.
30 million X 63,000 = $1.89 trillion dollars
Let’s round that up to $2 trillion dollars.
We already had $2 trillion+ Overnight REPO Operations since last September…for the banks hoarding money.
We already had $2 trillion+ QE4 or whatever number it is in December or January.
The CARES Act is priced in at just over $2.4 trillion and probably more like $4.5-to-6 trillion dollars.
Face it because with that scale the Federal Government could have sent $60,000 to $100,000 to every household, prisoner and homeless person in America and I guarantee the economy would still be humming. And most importantly, the rich people never would have been seen a decline in their net worth because working people pay their bills on time

Posted by: Rich | Apr 16 2020 20:28 utc | 30