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April 12, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-29

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

“No matter how long I live, I don’t think I will ever get over how the U.S., with all its wealth and technological capability and academic prowess, sleepwalked into the disaster that is unfolding,” says Kai Kupferschmidt, a German science writer.

I have been preaching to wear masks for reason.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb @nntaleb - 11:22 UTC · 12 Apr 2020

One comment about masks and nonlinearities that these imbeciles are not getting.
Reducing exposure to viruses by 30% thanks to an "imperfect" mask does not mean reducing risk of contracting the disease by just 30%. By convexity, it must be more than 30%, can even be 95%.

Other issues:

Use as open thread ...

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karlof1 | Apr 14 2020 23:41 utc | 400 (about rebellion)

Did anybody read the Tolstoy quote I put up?

The people sometimes, when badly led, stop paying attention and go the other's a good quote.

Affirming this natural right, as the Heroic Lincoln did, is not irresponsible, it's factual. It's happened for many thousands of years.

I shall be delighted to see our weird freak show find it's way without violence and toward the Light.

Posted by: Walter | Apr 15 2020 0:18 utc | 401

Uncle Tungsten @ 366:

The stories about Chinese companies in Australia sending masks to China that your friend refers to and which surfaced in The Sydney Morning Herald, The Guardian and other Australian news media are recent (popping up in those media in March) but the actions of the companies themselves took place in January / early February when Wuhan and Hubei province went into lockdown and the Chinese government was doing all it could to find supplies of masks and other much needed medical equipment to send there.

Yet these Australian news media outlets sat on this information for at least a month and then started blaring on about it once Canberra realised the danger was fast coming to Australian shores. This must have done deliberately to insinuate that China is stealing masks from Australia at a time when Australia needs them.

Kate McClymont, who usually investigates corruption in horse racing, other sports and local politics, wrote several of these kinds of stories for The Sydney Morning Herald.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 15 2020 0:23 utc | 402

Just in case anyone wants to read 125 pages of engineering evaluation, the final report got published. "A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7"

Talk about "bad timing" eh? CV sure made some thing go poof!


tinyurl[dot]com/qv2w28p It's in pdf.

"Contrary to the conclusions of NIST, the UAF research team finds that the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11 was not caused by fires but instead was caused by the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building."

(I'm shocked! Shocked!)

These fine fellas crossed their Rubicon longtimeago.

Posted by: Walter | Apr 15 2020 0:44 utc | 403

Walter @401--

I read your Tolstoy citation, which was quite apt. I don't know anymore about this remaining mostly bloodless as the Kleptocrats threw down the gauntlet and there's now this further information that we already assumed:

"Analysis Reveals 'Rotten, Un-American Giveaway' GOP Buried in COVID-19 Relief Package to Overwhelmingly Benefit Millionaires."

Where're the genuine Tea Party Posses now that they have very visible targets? IMO, 95% of Congress is owned by and actively abets the Kleptocrats leaving only 27 Congresscritters on the People's side.

Jen @402--

Thanks for digging op that very useful bit of info as it confirms the deliberate attempt to frame China for the attack made against it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 15 2020 0:49 utc | 404

I read the quote as well, but I didn't understand it properly until I read your post @401 and karlofs @404. I love tolstoy, he is the one who instilled in me the idea that there was something more to life than what my society had to offer.

Which eventually led to this:

"There are some cases in which a person overcome with pain, his mind exhausted, grieves, mourns, laments, beats his breast, & becomes bewildered. Or one overcome with pain, his mind exhausted, comes to search outside, 'Who knows a way or two to stop this pain?' I tell you, monks, that pain results either in bewilderment or in search." Buddha

But, I digress.

Banks seizing what is supposed to be life support from people is utterly despicable. Our "betters" have always been despicable, but never this brazen about it, at least not in my lifetime.

I agree with karlof, based on their actions, they deserve to be hung. But I prefer walters desire to see it be a bloodless coup. Sadly, I don't really see either coming to pass. The people who are capable of a violent reaction, will just change places with our current rulers, and everybody else is just too fucking stupid to even realize their is a problem. And then there is always the fact that if they cant control us, they will just slaughter us.

Posted by: David F | Apr 15 2020 2:02 utc | 405

ciue @ 378:
"@fairleft #310
A study of 1000 people means nothing without details like the average age of the study participant. If the average age is 40, it wouldn't surprise me to see a low mortality rate."

this may be the study of Dr. Hendrik Streeck. If not, check out Dr. Sreeck's recent work and recent statements regarding work that he has undertaken to fill in the gaps left by studies NOT done by the Robert Koch Institut. See also his discussions at German sites (asterisk inserted to break links).*

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 15 2020 2:06 utc | 406

@ 402 Jen - You are one of the few commenters aside from B, psychohistorian and Karlof1 who I feel have no agenda aside from the truth on MoA, this gift to the world.
Anytime I see a new post from you, I immediately read it.
Thank you. As well as everyone else here. I vacillate between extreme fear, suicidal thoughts and fatalist resignation in the face of this corona thing.
I find cold comfort in thinking that at least it's not like the siege of Moscow or Leningrad.

Somehow Moon of Alabama and all of everyone here's effort to sort out this mess makes me feel slightly better.

And since this post is sort of fresh (time wise) I sadly agree with you David F @ 405

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 15 2020 4:20 utc | 407

karlof1 | Apr 14 2020 23:41 utc | 400
re Barbeque

The Carib Indians, and the kindred tribes on the Brazilian coast, had a peculiar way of curing meat for preservation. They used to build a wooden grille or grating, raised upon poles some two or three feet high, above their camp fires. This grating was called by the Indians barbecue. The meat to be preserved, were it ox, fish, wild boar, or human being, was then laid upon the grille. The fire underneath the grille was kept low, and fed with green sticks, and with the offal, hide, and bones of the slaughtered animal. This process was called boucanning, from an Indian word "boucan," which seems to have signified "dried meat" and "camp-fire." Buccaneer, in its original sense, meant one who practised the boucan.

From bestest documented accounts of Carib piracy incl Drake et al.

see p 112 for barbeque" derivation

P.S. The Hakluyts ca 1600 had Drake's docs on his gold etc captures

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 15 2020 5:07 utc | 408

lex talionis

Hang in there, man. If your situation can be changed, then why worry about it? If your situation cannot be changed, then why worry about it?

That Buddha quote (@405) is supposed to be inspirational. The average person when experiencing pain or dissatisfaction, becomes bewildered and grieves, mourns, laments, etc., and compounds his suffering. The wise instead seek for a way to end that pain or dissatisfaction, seek for a way to end that suffering. In this case the teachings of the Buddha are a means to that end.

Posted by: David F | Apr 15 2020 5:10 utc | 409

Thank you, David. I need to live up to my nom de guerre and cease to cherish the illusion of ego. Thank you.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 15 2020 5:21 utc | 410

Lex Talionis @ 407:

Thanks Lex for your kind compliment. Though I must confess, my point of view with regard to some of the aspects of COVID-19, the way deaths are being reported in different parts of the world and the possible massaging of mortality statistics, leans more towards the views expressed by Off-Guardian and the commenters there so I am not completely objective.

While it is true that mass quarantines and lockdowns worked in the past - where I live (Sydney), lockdowns and mass quarantines were used as recently as 100 years ago (Spanish flu epidemic) and roughly 20 - 25 years before that (global bubonic plague pandemic reached Sydney in mid-1890s) - we did not have the benefit then of proper public sanitation or the knowledge and tools of modern medical technologies and molecular genetics in particular to stop these pandemics. With the knowledge and tools we have now, plus more besides in the way of mass media technologies and targeting groups most at risk from infection and illness, we should be able to do better than use mass lockdowns right across entire nations. They could turn out to be an example of using a sledgehammer where perhaps a nutcracker should have been used instead.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 15 2020 5:55 utc | 411

@413 Jen - I fully agree. The sledgehammer it for the working class. The nutcracker is reserved for the oligarchs.

This whole thing makes me super paranoid. "My spider sense are tingling." That's what Spidey would say on the cartoons of my youth.

The powers that be will never let a crisis go to waste.

I believe so very little of this story. I haven't read what Off-Guardian had to say. I will do. Thank you.

I don't doubt that this isn't real, but I sense that there is a lot more we don't know.

And you admitting your sense of lack of objectivity shows your objectivity.

Much love to the whole MoA crew.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 15 2020 6:27 utc | 412

Jen #402

Thanks Jen, I hope Kate got her cheque from Integrity Initiative in time for her easter splurge.

On an amusing note I just caught up with my old nemesis Steve Pieczenic and he does a good one this time. I even left a comment for him to choke on. DO NOT go there if you are intolerant of loony right dummy spits and have high blood pressure. I go there for comic relief, lotsa laughter this time and I haven't had a drink yet.

On a serious note Jimmy Dore and Mark Blyth yarn it up here. Will the economy ever be normal again ?!!🔥

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2020 7:01 utc | 413

Looking at some of the shit coming out of the US with Trumps moves and propaganda against WHO and China, US is not going to go down softly. It will have to go down the same way as nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Comments at the demented colonels blog reads like a drunken redneck lynch mob. Comment sections look similar on other yank sites that are applauding Trump's moves.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2020 7:18 utc | 414

BM #332

Thank you for that response and the time to research it. I trust the participants are on a follow up process to see if they experience a second infection or rush of symptoms. My neighbour was concerned that one could get the disease more than once. He had picked that up on some media. We had a long yarn about that and the value of any vaccine in that case and lots of other related stuff.

I tested him on the 'bio lab gone wrong' theory and his view was accepting of that possibility. He is a farmer.

I have discussed with others the notion of a global tribunal to bring together the science and the likely source of the virus with some others today and their reactions ranged between positive support and absolute freak out that Australia's CSIRO may have participated in anything that led to gain of function knowledge. I expressed the same view each time that there may have been a serious breach of ethics and that accountability needed to be considered no matter who as we are witnessing a crime against humanity. Interesting the viewpoint change when I mentioned the 2010 paper from the collaboration of Australia, China, USA.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2020 7:29 utc | 415

I found this on reddit and is a comment from TiffanyGaming. it may be of interest to some here


During a major pandemic.

Want to know what Trump's doing as his pandemic response? It's a literal scam.

Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word. (1)

This is in addition to the Fed stealing supplies from shipments from states, and acts of piracy abroad. (2)

Here's how what they're doing works:

1.) Eliminate oversight of the spending of nearly a trillion dollars of tax dollars. (3)

2.) Acquire the authority to command which businesses get which contracts. (4)

3.) Have trusted people stand up companies through which the money can be funneled (3 week old company, founded through a loan approved via the Coronavirus Stimulus bill, is now the center of medical supply distribution): (5) “I don’t want to overstate, but we probably represent the largest global supply chain for Covid-19 supplies right now,” he said. “We are getting ready to fill 100 million-unit mask orders.”

4.) Have the federal government sell, at a reduced price, it’s strategic stockpile to the new companies, run by your buddies. (6)

5.) Have the states bid on the supplies, driving up the price. (7)

6.) Have the federal government spend taxpayer dollars to ship supplies purchased from China to these brand new private companies. (8)

7.) Eliminate the competition. Attack any company that doesn’t play ball. (9)

States are having to smuggle in supplies aboard sports teams jets, and escort them with state police (10). Is it really to this point that we're going to have to have states deploy the national guard to protect their shipments and supplies and treat the federal government like the enemy?

This is no different from the Somalian government stealing food sent by the United Nations and cartels selling it illegally. (11)

Except in this situation FEMA is the cartels and the banana republic is the United States.

Also regarding Trump removing the watchdog overseeing the $2 trillion coronavirus bill? In 1998 the Supreme Court ruled line item vetos are unconstitutional. (12)

His excuse? The Take Care Clause. And the Take Care Clause just says the President can't make his underlings do stuff that's against the law. It underscores that the executive is under a duty to faithfully execute the laws of Congress and not disregard them. (13)

If you don't know what that's about, Trump wrote a line item veto into the stimulus bill that he was going to ignore the oversight provisions in the bill and do it himself. (14)

Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 15 2020 7:41 utc | 416

vk # 357

Long story short: spring won't save you. Don't feed yourself with false hope.

Nor will winter save you. The 'year of the rat' is also the year of plague. This is amplified by another congruence in the Chinese geomancy (if that is the correct word here)- the 'year of spring'. 2020 is such a year according to my sage Traditional Chinese Madicine practitioner and he is no slouch I can assure you.

He suggested that this virus will recur with a vengeance as the seasons roll. I am sure the Chinese government and its people are well aware of what they are in for. Others should take heed of China's actions and advice and set aside their petty animosities and ignorances. We are one world and we will benefit from preparedness for the whole year.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2020 7:59 utc | 417

Walter #381

Tolstoy has got it RIGHT. must read more of his thoughts. Many thanks Walter.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2020 8:31 utc | 418

David F, 396:
"I had tried to post a comment saying something to this effect, and telling him I thought it was irresponsible. The saker didn't post my comment, possibly for "criticizing" the author. (I am not sure, posts seems to be a crap shoot over there as to whether they will be posted or not, and of course no explanation even when you email the mod)."

Perhaps this explains it:

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 15 2020 12:47 utc | 419

David F | Apr 14 2020 21:43 utc | 396

The "roll" is by three coins with one side counted as two and the other side three, (add them up to get each "line"). or a much longer method using small sticks (which I don't use).
I meant that, yes, you do use the "same" question for one hexagram, but you can use the individual rolls as a time to "rethink","examine the foundation of the question" or "clarify it". Actually it is a bit difficult to explain in words. However, the more tortuous the question, the less clear the answer. A vague question will alway appear to give a vague answer. (since half the "reply" is found in the accurate formulation of the question in the first place).

Some of the replies - the lines and images given, cannot be simply attributed to chance, as they give you correspondences and alternatives to consider. HOW it does that I have no idea. I take it to be a very useful psychological tool which acts as a neutral foil to a train of thought. (Which I think is the way the Japanese used it) Rather like talking to someone else.

How did I get there? A rather long path. Which includes practical interest in the use of both levels of the brain (Conscious and ultrafast subconscious, = basis of surrealism), and a choice to use "hazard" in starting works of Art. A bit of religiosity, curiosity, the ability to find myself in awkward situations without really trying.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 15 2020 14:28 utc | 420

@Peter AU1 #388
Thanks for continuing to show your ignorance.
What is grown today is *after* millenia of genetic manipulation.
Trying to live on wild wheat, oats, teosinte, whatever would likely be impossible if the natural yields are reduced significantly by low CO2.
And note that I was talking about the *creation* of agriculture.

But hey, keep on chasing idiotic conspiracy theories and half baked ideas.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 15 2020 15:41 utc | 421

@David F #385
Glad to see you're keeping up with your existing level of discourse.

The beautiful thing about ignorance is that it is self fulfilling...

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 15 2020 15:42 utc | 422

@Really?? #403
Ok, found the study: source

Unfortunately, zero data shown on the sample population other than "it was representative". Nor can I find any age demographic data on the district or even the state/province.

It did say 15% of the population was either currently infected or showed antibodies - this part is a little suspicious since antibody formation takes time; it implies either a much higher infection rate or else perhaps the tests used were detecting other coronaviruses.

In any case, far from conclusive.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 15 2020 15:55 utc | 423


Look, I think you are an asshole, full stop. I have no interest in engaging with you, full stop. I dont intend on responding to you any longer, please stop responding to me.

Posted by: David F | Apr 15 2020 18:56 utc | 424

Stonebird | Apr 15 2020 14:28 utc | 420

Thanks for the response. I was curious because I have found with all the 'foreign' books I have, understanding the text is dependent on having an accurate translation, which I really am not qualified to judge on my own.

I thought maybe my copy was an incorrect translation. I agree that refining the question will improve your results.

Posted by: David F | Apr 15 2020 19:01 utc | 425

c1ue @424 applies to you as well.

Posted by: David F | Apr 15 2020 19:05 utc | 426

Stonebird #392

I became interested in the I Ching through Jung who argued that if Humans believed in it then it was worth studying. aaand the Meiji period made some lovely bronzes !!

Same experience for me and I have used it for decades now.

I recall being at a 'management development' multi-day workshop once and the facilitator took all the work from the I Ching artfully paraphrased into jargon from the Aspen Institute (or some such) and not one reference to the I Ching. I led a session on the third day and took my trusty tome along and we pondered a serious question of management using only the reading that one of the participants cast at the commencement. We worked that reading to the depths of our insight and imagination and everyone was inspired. The facilitator was pissed ! but then he was an eloquent fraud.

This is one extraordinary book that elevates the questioner well beyond 'trained' linear thought. Hard decisions / questions on which so much depends are assisted through considering a reading and mulling it over for a day or two. Great options materialise when many minds consider the issue at hand. A great gift from China's ancients.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2020 22:22 utc | 427

Really?? # 419

Thank you for promoting the Saker.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 15 2020 22:38 utc | 428

Besides the off-guarfian, I'm terribly deceived by Pepe Escobar's recent attacks against confinement in the same vein, where he's gone full psycho on the conspiracy bandwagon. He's such an excellent journalist, and here he's just losing so much credibility. Mediapart un France has attacked Dr. Raoult with vehemence, playing Macron's game. This also came out as quite odd. Strange times. Divisions. Humanity.

Posted by: Melkiades | Apr 16 2020 4:24 utc | 429

BM @350

Dugin's focus on the virus leads him to a 'hygenic dictatorship' but IMO this explanation fall short. IMO the virus just exacerbates and deepens a Cold War that is already underway.

Just as Russiagate initiated a new McCarthyism, the virus has initiated a new "Yellow Peril". In each case, hate is directed to the "bad actor" and those who don't agree are "fake news" or "Russian assets" or "China lovers" etc.

Dugin's declaration of the death of liberal democracy as a stunning event on par with the collapse of the Soviet Union is also wrong-headed. It seems clear that liberal democracy had already ended for the most part, replaced by propaganda and psyops that give the "illusion of democracy". The Soviet system could also be said to have followed a similar path: a "dead man walking" until it collapsed.

Perhaps there's hope that we can recover liberal democracy when Cold War II comes to an end. For now, elites in every major country (esp. USA, China, Russia) believe that they need a high level of control because their international adversaries are so powerful and cunning that they will exploit any weakness.

Very sad that we have come to this point. I believe that the ordinary, non-elites of the world do not want such futile and costly conflicts to continue. But reigning in the asshat warmongering parasites will be extraordinarily difficult. It starts with gaining a clear understanding of how we are manipulated and controlled.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 16 2020 5:49 utc | 430

Imho the only sure way to put an end to this pandemic. and better than waiting for a vaccine is to stop the spread. The ease and stealth of how C-19 moves from a person who is unaware of carrying the virus to a new host is the secret to its success.

The post here by B on April 3 gave a clue how this aspect of the virus could be countered. The study b referenced established that the virus first settles in the back of the throat when it first finds a new host. Here it multiplies furiously for 4 days and then migrates into the lungs and this is where it does its damage. This period is also when the new host - unaware of being a carrier - is at his infectious peak.

The virus thus gives us 4 days during which we could kill it before it tries to kill us. We have been conditioned to thoroughly wash our hands as a preventative measure -I am suggesting we gargle daily for the same reason.

The challenge is to find the liquid that will do the job. I have been using a mouthwash with a fair alcohol content (it does not tell me the %) and hope it will do some good. What isy needed is some work by someone qualified and equipped to find the answer. It is definitely worth it - to provide a cheap and easy way to stop the spread and allow a gradual return to some form of normalcy.

Posted by: augrr | Apr 16 2020 18:54 utc | 431

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