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April 17, 2020

Ranting In A Time Of Plague

by Michael Brenner


Collective tragedy is always a learning experience. So it has been for great wars, natural disasters, economic collapses, political revolutions. The COVID-19 pandemic is such a tragedy. Although the number of casualties may pale compared to the carnage of war, there are ancillary effects that leave us shocked and sobered. Most obviously, there is sudden onset of a severe economic depression with attendant social distress whose toll we will be registering for years to come. Then, there is the exposure of how incompetent our public institutions have become – the callous inhumanity of those who rule in Washington matched only by their clownish ineptitude. It is in the realm of these latter intangibles that we should look first for morals and lessons.

Overriding all else is the spectacle of a President, duly elected by the American people, who is a malicious psychopath with not a single redeeming trait. A physical, intellectual and emotional spectre who would defy our imaginative powers were he not on display before our eyes. He has gathered around him a witch’s coven of scoundrels, crooks and crackpots as bereft of mind and ethics as he is. They also are inveterate liars; Trump himself is a congenital liar since clinical narcissism is inborn. Yet, we refer to this motley assemblage as an ‘administration’ – in our impulse to ‘normalize’ the abominable. No dry bill of particulars is necessary, nor could it do justice, to the squalid theater we see played out before us on a daily basis. This man, at this moment, is viewed favorably by 46% of the public. That reality eclipses everything else.

There is no organized opposition worthy of the name. This is the second great failure of our democracy. The Democratic Party creaks under the weight of geriatric nominal leaders – plodding along without conviction, without will, without the integrity to free itself from the monied interests and the self-serving careerists who have dragged it into the mire. Yes, they may succeed, come November, in sparing the Republic the coup de grace of four more Trumpian years. This despite their suicidal instinct in choosing Joe Biden to bear the standard – a man barely robust enough to keep the banner from dragging in the dust on his slog along the campaign trail. This bunch can’t even get themselves to a microphone for a news clip at a time of historic crisis aggravated by the atrocious sins of the existing government. Surely, a first. Worried about Covid-19 contagion? Order a box of alcohol wipes from China. Instead, Biden makes a call to Trump for what both agree was a ‘nice conversation.’ What does that get him?

Cuomo has to placate Trump with soothing words – even at the expense of lying about how much aid New York actually received from Washington – since the lives of his people are at stake. For Biden, the opposite is true; avoiding soothing words is crucial since the November election is dependent on undercutting Trump and discrediting him.

Three, the United States is a poorly governed country. Manifest ineptitude in performing collective functions is by no means limited to Washington under Trump. It has become a feature of the institutional landscape. True, the Trumpites have launched a dedicated campaign to realize the anti-government fanatics’ wet dream of disabling all public agencies.  FEMA and Homeland Security are but the most glaring example of departments stocked with hacks capable only of crippling the organizations that they are supposed to direct. They even corrupted the Center for Disease Control. Its leaders, evidently eager to curry favor with the madman in the Oval Office, gave its stamp of approval to the unproven – and dangerous drug HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE that Trump’s been promoting as the Silver Bullet to cure Covid-19. (April 4-6) Luckily, saner heads prevailed, or a conscience was pricked, and these panting spaniels withdrew the recommendation from their website.

The anti-government cabal’s techniques range from putting government agencies on starvation financial rations to infecting them with hostile personnel to leaving key executive positions unfilled (15 senior slots in the Treasury alone) to circumventing the law by dictating what they can and cannot do - with the backing of collaborators in the judiciary. (The Supreme Court majority is now prepared to go so far as to have citizens die in order to tilt an election toward a favored Republican). Let us bear in mind, though, that performance lapses are recurrent at all levels – private as well as public, and that they predate Trump. It took Barack Obama four years to get his health care website (more or less) up-and-running. In addition, his misbegotten hand-outs to the financial predators laid the basis for today’s looming meltdown. Moreover, the Obama strategy ignored the plight of states and municipalities – forcing deep cutbacks in all public services – the price for which we are paying now during the Corona virus crisis.

At local levels, just look at the condition of infrastructure, of pension funds – of public health. The extremity – and, frankly, the absurdity - of what’s happening in the health sector is highlighted by what we see elsewhere in the world. Face masks, including ones that actually provide protection, are readily available throughout East Asia – and elsewhere. A personal anecdote: relatives in Tunisia are mailing me N95 masks which they purchased in their neighborhood pharmacies. Indeed, as of April 8, Tunisia had produced by their own resources, and distributed 30 million masks to a population of 11 million. The equivalent here would be 1 billion masks! (Minus the 1 million sent express to Israel by the Pentagon as a ritual gift of fealty.) In America, we are offered instructions on how to sew a (probably useless) mask out of discarded T-shirts. MAGA!! Hospital directors fire nurses who buy their own equipment out of concern that they will be upstaged and exposed as the callous, profit obsessed bozos they are. Yet, we blind ourselves to the realities of other nations – because to do so is embarrassing, because our so-called leaders are protecting their behinds, and because we compulsively retain our dogmatic faith in American superiority.*

The readiness of executives to do anything necessary to protect against exposure of their own failures or illicit actions has become commonplace within our institutions. The current Corona crisis puts that reality into the headlines – as with the despicable act of the Pentagon in dismissing summarily Captain Brett Crozier whose petition made known that his superiors were prepared to sacrifice his crew’s lives to the imperative of hiding their own errors. Is this notion that ‘anything goes except accountability’ any different from Harvard’s studied silence about its embrace of Jeffrey Epstein or its abrupt sacking of a professor who dared reveal that the President was sweeping under the academic rug rampant sexual abuses? We all have personal experience of similar stories.

As to the Crozier scandal, let’s be clear: it is not a matter of ethics alone, but also of ability to meet critical obligations. In the event that the country found itself at war against a serious enemy, it is a dangerous liability to have in positions of command people like Secretary of Defense Mark Esper (hack lobbyist for Raytheon and the Aerospace Industries Association ), Naval Secretary Thomas Motly – who missed his calling as a political commissar in the old Red Army, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Miley and Chief of Naval Operations Mike Gilday who both are testament to the Peter Principle that determines promotion in today’s military. They would either be washed out in the wake of gross failures, or continue to be albatrosses dragging out pointless missions like the 17 bemedaled but clueless U.S. generals who have proven so useless in Afghanistan. As it is, they seem unable to keep their warships from slamming into inanimate objects in placid waters.

Here are Motly’s last remarks before riding off to join corporate boards:  “The men and women of the Department of the Navy deserve a continuity of civilian leadership befitting our great Republic, and the decisive naval force that secures our way of life… he acknowledged that he “lost situational awareness” during his address to the Roosevelt’s crew.”   “There is no excuse, but perhaps a glimpse of understanding, and hopefully empathy. I am deeply sorry for some of the words and for how they spread across the media landscape like a wildfire.”   (The New York Times – ever twisting its hat with eyes averted in the presence of intimidating Presidential authority – features a long letter from Motly justifying his actions, 4/7.  Only 3, 1 Republican, 2 Democrats, protested Crozier’s mistreatment. Among the silent chorus were the 22/23 aspirants to the Democratic nomination who bored us stiff for fifteen months with their unceasing calls for “LEADERSHIP!” ‘Profiles In Courage’ is not a best-seller at the Capitol.  Even Dr. Fauce doesn't have a copy.

Absence of accountability is incompatible with good governance. That is especially true in democracies where accountability is ultimately downwards. In a country like China, where accountability is primarily upward, the circle can be squared by the occasional resort to putting some miscreant up against the wall. We don’t have that luxury. Here, it is only the weak, the indigent and the naïve who need fear punishment – of any kind. The powerful and well-connected worry less about a last cigarette than about their first.

In compiling a list of factors that have contributed to the drastic decline in the performance of American institutions, this parochialism figures prominently among them. We put up with levels of dereliction matched in the developed world only by Britain. Think of the debate over Medicare-for-All and like proposals. As alluded to in an earlier commentary, the best national medical insurance systems (as confirmed by the WHO and other independent bodies) are in Western Europe, Canada and Japan – France topping the list. Yet, their expenditure on those systems is only 2/3 of what we pay for our own ramshackle non-system. That fact is ignored. Instead, the political class agonizes over the specious issue of whether we can afford it. Joe Biden has pledged to veto any such plan on grounds that it would cost $35 trillion – or whatever number has floated into his fog-bound mind. This lethal combination of ignorance, dogmatism and fidelity to special interests has come to be a hallmark of how we approach government and the meeting of collective needs.

A full treatment of the several intertwined, mutually reinforcing elements that have led us along the path of decline is well beyond the limits of a brief commentary. A few, though, do deserve to be mentioned for what – one hopes – might be future reference. One is the ‘privatization’ craze. It has become the preferred method for transferring public assets to private profiteers. The effects are degraded services, the loss of expertise in public bodies, the exploitation of workers and the abandonment of intelligent planning (ventilators anyone?). With the COVID-19 affair, we’ve reached the ultimate privatization: the Federal Reserve has hired BlackRock to conduct its operations on the bond market as the central component of its $4 trillion Quantitative Easing strategy (BlackRock itself being the dominant player on that market).  The same effects have been produced by the swarm of hedge funds and private equity who are parasites feeding on the prostrate host that is the real economy and its dependents. American society celebrates, and empowers, these critters. Then there are the ‘consultants’ – the locust hordes which our culture designates as vital contributors to the good works of government, of business, of universities, of charities, of sports teams, of hospitals, of failing marriages, of the US Army that puts guns in their hands. They, too, add to the toll on public competence and collective services.

Another anecdote: the city of Austin, Texas has hired a consulting firm to advise them on designs for a reconfiguration of the street that runs in front of the University of Texas. Should the sidewalks be 8’ wide or 10’ wide? Curbed or uncurbed? With bicycle racks or without? These matters evidently are beyond the competence of the city government, and of the University’s 3,000 strong expert faculty.

‘My Kingdom for a tape measure!’ How about a 69-cent face mask?

*Consider this. During WW II, the Kaiser shipyard in Richmond, CA – along with its 17 counterparts - were able to construct 2,710 Liberty ships between 1941 and 1945 (an average of three ships every two days), In other words, it took each yard just twelve days to put a ship in the water.  That was the work of Rosie the Riveter and her colleagues. Today, we struggle to produce a few thousand $1 face masks - much less reliable COVID-19 test kits. Of course, back then the country was led by responsible adults – not the bunch of clods and delinquents we’re stuck with nowadays.


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There is actual community evidence even in the US that suggests the virus can be stopped. Although the article is from BBC, to me it has the ring of truth. On another thread I posted an article reporting that hundreds of workers at a meat packing plant had become ill. This article details how the company ignored workers' pleas for personal protection equipment (PPE). Yes PPE would've increased expenses and probably slowed production a bit. But now they are closed and plant income is zero. That's hardly profitable.

Coronavirus at Smithfield pork plant: The untold story of America's biggest outbreak

At a JBS Plant in Worthington, Minnesota, 30 minutes away from Sioux Falls, union representatives said their company provided workers with "gloves, surgical masks, face shields, overcoats"... They have not had a case yet.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Apr 17 2020 20:41 utc | 101

CitizenX | Apr 17 2020 20:07 utc | 92

"All Amurikans (and the "West" in general) are fully complicit in the horrible crimes that have been waged vs. the rest of the world. His glowing embellishment of the U$$A building weapons of war for WW2 should wake you the fuck up to this assclown."

You make it sound like the average american is capable of exerting some kind of control over anything the government does. We are not capable of such influence. Voting doesn't make a difference, and protesting will be ignored, unless it is starting to change opinions, then it will get you beaten, shot or imprisoned.

There is a majority of the population that loves war, and cheers for it. There is a large part of the population that does not like it and opposes it. I am under no illusion that if america ever gets the ass kicking it deserves that there will be any way to distinguish between the two groups, as those that oppose war will suffer right along with the rest.

Are you not capable of making that distinction?

As I stated up-thread, I dont think it was a "glowing embellishment for more war", more a comparison to say "look we used to be competent and capable of doing things, now not so much." I wish he could have found a different example to make the same point.

Posted by: David F | Apr 17 2020 20:41 utc | 102

CitizenX | Apr 17 2020 20:07 utc | 92

Also, that Harold Pinter speech is awesome. I have a copy and read it from time to time.

Posted by: David F | Apr 17 2020 20:43 utc | 103

Not sure if this data has been presented already...

"Universal Screening for SARS-CoV-2 in Women Admitted for Delivery"

"Between March 22 and April 4, 2020, a total of 215 pregnant women delivered infants at the New York–Presbyterian Allen Hospital and Columbia University Irving Medical Center . All the women were screened on admission for symptoms of Covid-19. "

-All 215 pregnant women were tested for covid-19 upon admission

- Of this group, 33 women (15.4%) were covid-19 positive.

- Of the 33 covid-19 positives, 29 (87.9%) were ASYMPTOMATIC.

So this is essentially a random sampling of a population subset in NYC area at end of March time point finding 15% of people were covid+, and most of the Covid positive people were asymptomatic.

So the question on mind is: If 13-14% of New Yorkers walking around at end of March were asymptomatic covid positives, what is the percentage NOW?

Posted by: gm | Apr 17 2020 20:43 utc | 104

Joost @ 96,

Thanks a lot for this link. An open treatment data registry is the best solution while waiting for randomized trials, decisions about early or late treatment, etc. Very encouraging data coming from a couple hundred early-treated patients in Turkey, too (personal communication from several colleagues, pre-print will follow.)

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Apr 17 2020 20:49 utc | 105

@ 34 hophely... yeah, i am not sure either!

@ 36 lizard... thanks! good stuff!

@ 89 grieved.... b didn't write the article... Michael Brenner did... i tend to agree with red ryders comment @ 40...

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2020 20:51 utc | 106

Gain of Function Virus Tinkering, ongoing for past 18 years, funded by the usual suspects (CIA< USAID< DOD). Scared the hell out of scientists when they made super potent Frankenstein viruses. Ended big money funding October 2015, Took a look at it again, Reinstated Funding January 2017.

So they knew how dangerous it could be (would be) as a Potential Pathogenic (Pandemic), but decided! that NO (zero) preparations were necessary in the event that such a Pandemic occurred. No masks, No effective medical countermeasures, ie: drugs, hospitals, ventilators. Just let her rip.

And they don't know nothing about it. With all the surveillance, the data mining, they just can't figure out who dunnit.

Posted by: Kristan hinton | Apr 17 2020 20:58 utc | 107

vk @98 "The job-creation machine must be turned on now"

Agreed, but you cannot force capitalist markets. China will have to consider some new monster public infrastructure project that builds a cascade of demand through a number of industries... something on par with their high speed rail build-out. I have a suggestion that would synergize with their efforts to advance their technical abilities in a large number of fields, employ thousands upon thousands of engineers from a variety of disciplines, and help drive a major, epoch-defining leap in humanity's industrial capabilities, but due to its very epochal nature it would be seen as too fantastical by many. Because of that I won't really spell out what the suggestion is. I'll just say that the Chinese are seriously considering it, that it will leapfrog Elon Musk's efforts, and it will get ahead of a proposal Trump made recently for America to pursue. This project would employ the millions that China needs to keep busy, and in some rather inspiring work at that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 17 2020 20:58 utc | 108

The crashes of capitalism!

1637, 1797,1819, `37, `57,`84, 1901, `07, 1929, `37, `73, 1987 92, 97,
2000, 2008/9 2020

All had various triggers but systemic failure of a system designed for a small group over a larger group.

What made it worse is 4+ decades of neoliberalism. You need to address the problem not continually describe its consequences.

Posted by: michael lacey | Apr 17 2020 21:05 utc | 109

VK @ 82:

I Googled "nursing homes" and "Italy" out of curiosity after seeing your comment - I smelt something odd there - and the first things I see are headlines of articles of police and military in both Italy and Spain finding scores of dead people in nursing homes hit by the COVID-19 virus. One March 2020 article referred to an outbreak in a Madrid nursing home resulting in 17 deaths at least.

Italy and Spain have experienced tremendous economic change since the 1960s at least, and this itself would have led to huge internal migrations separating and breaking up extended families. Mass housing favouring small nuclear families and the development of the social welfare state to take over the functions of extended families were two responses to the effects of industrialisation in these nations. But perhaps because of the influence of conservative forces allied to the Roman Catholic Church in Italy and Spain, along with post-2008 GFC austerity programs, the social welfare state seems to have fallen short of caring for its most vulnerable citizens.

Incidentally Italy and Spain have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world, and this phenomenon is in part due to the State's poor record in giving economic equality to women (in the form of maternity leave and benefits, and other incentives to women and families to raise children and care for elderly relatives). Much of the reluctance on the part of governments in Italy, Spain and Japan as well to look after the economic interests of families is due to the influence of political parties with extreme socially conservative / free market economic policies that have dominated politics in these countries for decades since 1945.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 17 2020 21:06 utc | 110


There are errors made by spellcheck and errors made by non-native speakers. Then there are errors made by bots.
“Nursery homes”? Repeatedly? Willing suspension of disbelief is not helping me here

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 17 2020 21:13 utc | 111

File this under: How low can America go?

The self-appointed Leader of the Free World is not content with pirating other countries' COVID-19 face masks and medical equipment; cutting funding to the WHO; diverting blame from its failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic by smearing China about this disease; or taking advantage of the COVID-19 pandemic to ramp up its siege warfare against Iran, Venezuela, or Nicaragua.

Now, America is actively spreading the virus to Latin America through their deportations of immigrants to that region.

Trump Accused of 'Actively and Knowingly' Spreading Coronavirus to Central America Through Deportations

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 17 2020 21:21 utc | 112

vk is in brazil i think... good question though oldhippie...

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2020 21:22 utc | 113

I prefer articles by b :-)

Posted by: Deltaeus | Apr 17 2020 21:27 utc | 114

The person who presides over Congress was not "duly elected by the American people", nor is he "our" President. As everyone here knows, he was elected by the Electoral College. We the people do not have a President. The Constitution describes his duties. None of them include him or her being our parent. I don't know about you, but I don't need a daddy in the White House. If they happen to be clinically insane I do not care one whit. That would be a problem for Congress to deal with. The only real problem here is that our government has thrown out it's Constitutional mandate and now rules us with an iron fist, 18 enumerated powers be damned and the citizenry going along with it. The band plays while the ship sinks and everyone comments on the weather.

Posted by: Jimbobla | Apr 17 2020 21:29 utc | 115

gm #106

Thank you. An interesting statistic. How reliable was the test? As good as flipping a coin or better than that?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 17 2020 21:34 utc | 116

Remain calm, Bernie Sanders good friend creepy Joe Biden will set things right again. Come on Bernie, tell us once again how 'solid' your good friend is. We are all waiting to hear you endorse his good pick for vice president. That should be a blast.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 17 2020 21:42 utc | 117

@Posted by: vk | Apr 17 2020 16:12 utc | 33

Wondering whether you could link the testimony deleted by b by posting an hyperlink? Or the kink to the site where it could be read?

Suddenly found myself most interested...all the more witnessing the current anti-communist crusade unleashed by the "good Colonel" exemplary Christian, no doubt..

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 17 2020 21:44 utc | 118

gm @ 9

This tells me Trump was (kept?) in the dark about true depth of pandemic risk brewing.

Then it's clearly his fault for surrounding himself with a bunch of arseholes.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 17 2020 21:47 utc | 119

Does anyone know where Nancy Pelosi lives? Is there any talk of forming a line of cars outside her house, everybody holding up signs "My kids are hungry give them your ice cream!"

(just saw on my rarely-scanned fb page her actually proudly showing off her big stash of very expensive consumables and james cordon fawning over her, every bit as bizarro as trump and minions)

Once again, The poor should immediately apologize to the rich, take all the wealth off them that was not self-earned but merely drifted to them via myriad legal thefts that exist in our economic dystems un-countered, and then promise never again to allow heaps of wealth to be piled on any human being. Because piling heaps of unearned wealth on people is a very cruel thing to do to them: it allows them to succumb to their own worst instincts (like james cordon and nancy did in that gobsmacking "interview"), it makes them targets of the poor and all the other rich, they are forced to waste their lives eroding their overfortunes trying to defend their overfortunes, it deprives them of the greatest joy in life, fraternity and camaraderie being part of the human herd, wealth makes soft and lazy and far-to-fall.

GK Chesterton said “The modern English oligarchy does not rest on the cruelty of the rich to the poor - it rests on the unfailing kindness of the poor to the rich.”

He was wrong about that. It IS NOT a kindness to ANYONE to be putting people in positions of economic inferiority and superiority. It is artificially and unnecessarily contrived poison - but people swallow it every day, every hour, every minute.

Posted by: Phyryne's frock | Apr 17 2020 21:48 utc | 120

Kristan Hinton #109

And the Australian CSIRO and Minesoya university USA and Wuhan university with their papee dated 2010. They reported gain of function mechanism.

Maybe that team worked at Fort Detrick too but they and all science collaboraters have some explaining to do.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 17 2020 21:49 utc | 121

@ Ghost Ship | Apr 17 2020 21:47 utc | 123

Have to agree with you on that point; his batting average at picking good people is rather low---but at least he has also been pretty good at firing them too...eventually.

Posted by: gm | Apr 17 2020 22:05 utc | 122


Phyryne's frock

It seems there is a mistake in your spelling of the name of the most famous hetairie of ancient Greece.

it is Phryne and not Phyryne

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 17 2020 22:06 utc | 123

@gm #106
It was posted before.
The problem with this data is that the hospital itself could easily be the nCOV vector.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 17 2020 22:16 utc | 124

@ Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 17 2020 21:44 utc | 122

The book is called (in American English) "The Battle for Stalingrad". It is, in practice, Marshall Vassily Ivanovich Chuikov's personal testimony (with post-war conclusions) of the Battle of Stalingrad. He was commander of the 62nd Army - the one who fought directly againt the 6th Army, inside the city itself.

You can find the English version in the internet. It is from 1968.

The British English version is titled "The Beginning of the Road" and was first published in 1963.

The original, in Russian, is from 1959.

The pages I quoted (from the American version) is the subchapter titled "The Binding Force", pages 291-306. But, evidently, I recommend to read the book in full, as it is a primary source for one of the most important moments of one of the most important wars in History.

Overall, I think Chuikov's version is precise and honest. The only weird thing to me was his complete omission of Stalin (he even avoided Stalin's name when it was unavoidable, calling him simply "supreme commander") and he mentions everytime he saw Krushchev in action - sometimes, apparently, superflously (WWII history is not my field of expertise, so I may be wrong on this one). Looks like they reflect the "destalinization" camapaign initiated by Krushchev after he took de facto power in 1953.

Although, it is important to highlight, Krushchev seemed to be really popular among the WWII-Post-war military: he was only able to neutralize the stalinist forces after 1953 because he had ample support from the new generation of Red Army officers - including Zhukov. It is not farfetched to speculate he really impressed during the war - even though as a commissar.

Posted by: vk | Apr 17 2020 22:29 utc | 125

A quick update on nCOV mortality:
New York has almost reached 8000 nCOV deaths per 10M: 7972.
New York normal average monthly mortality is 6500...
New Jersey: 4273
Lombardy and Emilia Romagni: 11757, 6510
It seems like New York and New Jersey are going to take a serious shot at exceeding Lombardy and Emilia Romagni...

Belgium has passed Italy and Spain: 4529 to 3741 and 4229

France, UK and Netherlands show that none of the Western European countries are succeeding particularly well with nCOV control: 2868, 2226, 2035 - except Germany at 537

US mortality is now at 1116; with New York removed, it falls to 683.

And again, normal annual flu mortality is around 1000 to 2000 per 10M - to put the above numbers in context.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 17 2020 22:32 utc | 126

@c1ue | Apr 17 2020 22:16 utc | 128

Thanks. Vaguely remembered it but could not find when scanning back thru last few recent topics. Does MoA have a ' by poster' search function?

Data was taken from two different NYC hospitals. Paper says women were tested on admission. One would HOPE that the staffs were being regularly tested/cleared for covid by this point. Further, most uncomplicated maternity stays last only 1-2 days. Are you saying you think they could a)catch covid from staff and b) give + rtPCR result in such a short time period?

Posted by: gm | Apr 17 2020 22:38 utc | 127

Heh, COVID-19 already(!) in a movie.

When it all started a couple of months ago, I knew that this would appear in Western cinema, but I did not think that this would happen so soon.
So far this is a 'harmless comedy'. Wait a little, and you will see how Hollywood will make film(s) where the viewer will be presented as a "fact" a bizarre theory of China's "guilt" in a pandemic. And I will not be surprised if such films "deservedly" receive prestigious film awards. After all, to reinforce their crazy policies, the obscurantists did not hesitate to hand Oscar(!) to the notorious accomplices of terrorists called White Helmets.

The brainwashing machine works without interruption.

Posted by: alaff | Apr 17 2020 22:46 utc | 128

A few weeks back Spain and I think another country complained masks and I think test kits were not up to scratch. from what i could make of it, they had bought the wrong tests. It was trumpeted in the MSM propaganda so China instituted quality control on it medical exports. Yanks now saying China needs to lift export red tape so the can get their supplies faster.

Trump still likes his tariffs though.

The severity of the pandemic in the United States heightens the country's pressing demand for personal protective equipment, of which China used to be a key supplier. But since 2018, the U.S. administration has levied additional tariffs on Chinese imports of medical supplies.

The Trump administration has removed some tariffs on Chinese imports temporarily. But according to the Peterson Institute of International Economics (PIIE), a U.S. think tank, 1.1 billion dollars of imports which could potentially treat coronavirus patients remain subject to 25 percent tariffs, and 3.3 billion U.S. dollars in imports of other critical health-care products still face 7.5 percent tariffs.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2020 22:52 utc | 129

To me, Donald Trump is the American Gorbatchov. The man who wants to reform the system to keep it running. What you've seen is a willingness to question the status quo. And the corona virus is America's Tchernobyl, where everyone sees what used to be mighty, but now is weak.

Posted by: passerby | Apr 17 2020 23:01 utc | 130

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 17 2020 20:58 utc | 110

".....China will have to consider some new monster public infrastructure project that builds a cascade of demand through a number of industries... something on par with their high speed rail build-out. I have a suggestion that would synergize with their efforts to advance their technical abilities in a large number of fields, employ thousands upon thousands of engineers from a variety of disciplines,.."

They (China) have - CGTN, XinHua and other medias Province, Cities and Municipal increases hiring by 20% recent graduates and minorities included. They also started major infrastructure too

Search full interview CGTN Tian Wei Frontline (this only snippet) "COVID-19 Frontline Ep.32_ How is China dealing with inbound travelers.mp4". Frontline, some recent returned mainlanders decided not go back to old jobs in States but look for new pasture at home.

Excellent SCMP video Eugene Tang business editor "Huawei founder on cybersecurity and maintaining key component supply chains under US sanctions" BTW, if you speak Putonghua/Mandarin listen to Ren ZhengFei (Eng Sub title)

Never mind the coronavirus, Trump’s America is still going full throttle in its attacks on Huawei
Leonard K. Cheng is president and chair professor of economics of Lingnan University, Hong Kong.

Posted by: JC | Apr 17 2020 23:09 utc | 131

Posted by: passerby | Apr 17 2020 23:01 utc | 134

"To me, Donald Trump is the American Gorbatchov. The man who wants to reform the system"

Bull Shit you can't compare a Russian Statesman to an idiot or murderer

Posted by: JC | Apr 17 2020 23:13 utc | 132

uncle tungsten
I suspect the civilian side only works on proof of concept. From that point it moves to the US military offshore labs and nothing more is heard until an outbreak in Wuhan or wherever.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2020 23:15 utc | 133

More on America's economic hybrid war on China--utilizing COVID-19 as a propaganda pretext:

The Too “Savvy” Coronavirus

The US Is Preparing to Default on Debts Owed to China

Information For Thought

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 17 2020 23:17 utc | 134

So “clods and delinquents” running the country, public agencies starved of funds. Better leadership, more money, bigger and better government is the solution. Thats the rant?

I might as well be reading the NYT or some other MSM outlet (or alt news equivalent). I hope it was a good carrot and not the stick responsible for this.

Posted by: Pft | Apr 17 2020 23:27 utc | 135

JC @135: "Never mind the coronavirus, Trump’s America is still going full throttle in its attacks on Huawei"

What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger.

America's attacks cannot kill Huawei. Those attacks are just forcing them to innovate. Since Huawei already has a habit of innovation, this just pushes them to innovate faster.

Thanks for the links. My skill with Putonghua is embarrassingly limited, but I will work my way through them.

Thank you!

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 17 2020 23:32 utc | 136

1: Don, I didn't stop reading cuz it was a solid rant. But the characterization of Trump was a poor start, both because it's wrong and because his character is an irrelevant side issue. In any case, Trump's need to win, his need for the approval of 'his people', is why the economy had record low unemployment during his first three years in office, so that's one sometimes redeeming feature. The Wall Street elite, represented by the Fed, has wanted its overdue recession to cut pressure for pay rises. But the Donald threatened and browbeat them. Not a smart guy, but he watches interest rates like a hawk and he knew exactly what the Fed was trying to do.

10: TG, excellent distinction. We're in a time of extraction, not building. How empires end.

28: Russ, your comment gets to the heart of the Cocid-19 matter. We have to get on with life, especially now that it's clear the virus is not as deadly as initially thought. More deadly is the class-based appalling mess that is the US health care system. And the clueless lack of protection and care provided the elderly in at least the US and UK, from what I've read.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 17 2020 23:33 utc | 137

Very good read. Thank you.

Posted by: Hermius | Apr 17 2020 23:35 utc | 138

Posted by: David F | Apr 17 2020 19:13 utc | 77 You can't even have an intelligent conversation with about half of the population of the us.

Actually, the figure is 98%...and possibly higher, but I can't be sure since I try to avoid people 100% of the time.

Brenner's piece, while edifying in its invective, tells me nothing new. He's right about Trump - I mentioned in an earlier thread that we're being led by the "Toddler-In-Chief", the perfect example of "rich white trash". He's also right about Biden.

Meanwhile, while Trump wants to open the economy up this summer, we have Newsweek citing experts saying this is seriously problematic...

Donald Trump Says America Will Open Up But Scientists Predict We'll Be Back in Lockdown Again. Here's Why

The spectre of "serial lockdowns" is quite real. Apparently Singapore had control of the virus without a full lockdown, but has now lost it and is requiring businesses to close. As the article logically asks, if small Singapore can't control it, what chance does the US have? More importantly, Americans aren't going to tolerate being jerked around - locked down for weeks, then released, then locked down again for more weeks. But that's how it could go if the US medical system loses control of the virus - as is quite likely.

That the government thinks this situation could become much worse - while they are touting that everything is under control - is indicated by these articles:

Exclusive: Inside The Military's Top Secret Plans If Coronavirus Cripples the Government

Exclusive: As Washington DC Faces Coronavirus Spike, Secret Military Task Force Prepares to Secure the Capital

The government is expecting a New York level of virus impact in Washington, D.C. and the surrounding area. Why? Because Washington, D.C. has a black population that is over 47% of the entire population. And based on what we've seen in Chicago and other cities with a high percentage of blacks in terms of virus deaths, and what I've seen here in San Francisco, which is that a huge percentage of blacks either can't or won't follow social distancing or mask wearing guidelines, they are going to get hit hard by the virus.

San Francisco's death toll, by the way, jumped by 3 yesterday to 20; it had been siting on 17 for two days or so. Still low, but I still suspect there is some sort of under-counting going on. Certainly the case counting seems to be haphazard, with low numbers reported one day and double that reported the next.

I ordered another 5 masks from LA Police Gear which should arrive Monday. With the 5 I have, that gives me a rotation of 10 masks. The 10 I ordered from China will arrive "someday", as will my hand sanitizer and food service gloves. These LAPG masks are bloody expensive - $7 each. I notice that they don't fit my face perfectly - probably because they're sized for Chinese faces, not Western faces.

Technically these masks shouldn't be able to stop virus particles, except when they are specifically encapsulated in droplets, but I read an article last night that cited a study that showed that even though they shouldn't be able to stop them, in reality they do stop a very high percentage of particles smaller than the 2.5 micron particles they're designed for. Good to know.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 17 2020 23:36 utc | 139


Thanks for the Hydroxychlorquine hazard links. This toxic chlorinated organic is being misused by too high a dose and too late in the COVID-19 progression. Besides, its primary function is to lower the cell pH and transport zinc into the cell to block the virus replicase enzyme. Quercetin and its derivatives serve the same function as a zinc ionophore and are not toxic. Their anti-viral properties have been proven in other studies.

Those who claim that the virus is just thinning the herd of the weak have a point in that those with metabolic syndrome from the standard american diet (SAD) are at risk. The biochemistry is very complex and beyond the training of any one doctor or biochemist. The dramatic trend toward obesity and other metabolic dis-eases leads to a negative feedback loop where they exercise less. In contrast, exercise improves cellular elimination of waste products and also increases superoxide dismutase that reduces oxidative stress.

Overall, those with various levels of metabolic syndrome will continue to suffer and die in great numbers under the virus induced stress until their diet and lifestyle improves. This will require radical changes in the food and drugs addiction pushers such as big agriculture, big pharma and the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics that lead to addictions.

As for the dis-ease within capitalism exposed by the COVID-19 outbreak, Charles Hugh Smith has provided advice in his book "Pathfinding our Destiny" on the problems and potential solutions. I do not hold out much hope as "insiders" will block change and adaptation preferring collapse to loss of power.

I expect multiple outbreaks to continue to hammer society due to a lack of following simple system theory.

Posted by: krollchem | Apr 17 2020 23:37 utc | 140

@ 138 ak74... thanks for the reminder to read smoothies comments... that is an interesting quote from russian news if i do say so myself! - "The United States Are Preparing To Declare Default On Debt To China"... that would fit with the ''rant'' going on over at pat langs.. there are rants, and then there are rants... the rant of a lunatic is much more entertaining so long as these people aren't in any position of power... i have asked smoothie for his take on pl as he posts at pls place from time to time...

Posted by: james | Apr 17 2020 23:41 utc | 141

@1 Don Wills: "I stopped reading at "who is a malicious psychopath with not a single redeeming trait"."

So what took you so long, Don?

The title tells you that the article is a rant. It doesn't pretend to be otherwise.

So read it if you want to read a good rant (and I'll admit, it is a good rant).
If not then don't read it, there are plenty of other articles to read at this site.

Honestly, some people are just too precious.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 17 2020 23:51 utc | 142

And here we go...

Alameda County Sheriff @ACSOSheriffs
#pressrelease: Face Covering Order update from Alameda County Health Officer

San Francisco Mayor Orders Workers, Residents to Wear Face Masks Outside Their Homes
Restaurants are required to turn away customers who don’t have face coverings on

Several other Bay Area counties have done the same.

"According to Breed’s office, 'the order does carry the force of law, and noncompliance is a misdemeanor punishable by fine, imprisonment, or both.'” I can't wait to see how the black population is going to receive *this* enforcement. Not to mention the homeless. So either the enforcement is BS, or they're going to have to issue citations to literally thousands of people on a daily basis. It's unenforceable.

"was enacted, they say, to help 'prepare for future lifting of shelter-in-place.'" Yeah, right... I call BS. They *know* this is going to get worse, despite all the "we're flattening the curve" nonsense they keep repeating.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 17 2020 23:52 utc | 143

And now we have this...

In South Korea, A Growing Number Of COVID-19 Patients Test Positive After Recovery

They're not sure whether these are "reactivations", or merely dead virus being detected, but some of the reactives have developed symptoms, albeit mild ones. So far, this is so few numbers that it's probably irrelevant overall.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 17 2020 23:56 utc | 144

Here's how one black person views the masking orders.

Masking While Black Could Be More Dangerous Than the Alternative

He's got a point about racial profiling. But as I mention above, wait until some municipality tries actually enforcing the mask order on a lot of black people who *won't* follow the law. And a lot won't.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2020 0:03 utc | 145

As b has written, deaths caused at least partly by Covid-19 seem to have been under-reported. But b has not focused on the phenomenon, that vastly more people seem to 'have' the virus than officials stats show. If true, this has a huge downward effect on the infection fatality rate, which should have big implications on how societies should best deal with the virus. The latest example seems to expand those with the Covid-19 antibody in an area of California by 48 to 81 times:

Coronavirus infections could be much more widespread than believed, California study suggests

"The preliminary study, conducted by researchers at Stanford University, estimates that between 2.5% and 4.2% of Santa Clara County residents had antibodies to the new coronavirus in their blood by early April. Antibodies are an indication that a person's immune system has responded to a past infection.

"Though the county had reported roughly 1,000 cases in early April, the Stanford researchers estimate the actual number was between 48,000 and 81,000."

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 18 2020 0:17 utc | 146

One of my life's particularly hideous bugbears is talkback radio. If ever I need a cab and hear talkback in it I ask the driver to change stations immediately. One never gleans useful information on talkback all one gets is filtered to favour one side, unfiltered blather & nonsense. This thread shows MoA has plummeted to the same depths. The stupidly subjective ignorant responses to the original rant which still decry the first rant for 'partisanship' because Orangemoron copped a serve, completely ignore that the rant also stamped on oblamblam biden & a host of other dem shitbags.
Like talkback people are not responding to the original content, they are in fact responding to a previous comment as moronic as their own.

There is nothing here but 150 posts of toxic bullshit and worst of all 99% of it comes from one nation, the fucked up, destructive psychopathic amerika where the level of indoctrination precludes clear thinking. amerikan posts as per usual have the sheer unmitigated gall to call out posts from non-amerikans.

An error was made a couple of years back when some decided that perhaps the right, particularly that which articulated an anti-war, anti-corporate view had something to offer. They offer nothing other than the stupidities of the bunny and the impetuous ignorance based anger of a don willis.
I understand b wanting to make this site 'popular' but the price, consolidated, never-ending nonsense, is simply too high. The OP was anodyne, 100% solution free & the responses entirely predictable. IOW a waste of time & energy from beginning to end.
the thread chocka with mountains of bullshit, most of which is driven by personal feuds that no one other than the two or three participants whose sense of self worth appears driven by how they imagine they appear to other readers of the thread, when in fact few others give a damn about anything outside of their own concerns. Like I said talkback radio.

Posted by: A User | Apr 18 2020 0:32 utc | 147

A couple of articles in TASS.

China’s Ambassador to Russia Zhang Hanhui

'Ambassador says coronavirus imported to China, points to genetic sequence as proof'
"Five reputable scientific organizations, including the Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden and the Central Botanical Garden of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, have collected data on 93 genome specimens of COVID-19, published in a global database covering 12 countries on four continents," the diplomat specified. "The research revealed that the earliest ‘ancestor’ of the virus is mv1, which evolved into haplotypes H13 and H38, and they, in turn, led to emergence of the second-generation haplotype — H3, which evolved into H1."...

...The previous gene sequences, H13 and H38, were never discovered in Wuhan.
"This suggests that the H1 specimen was brought to the seafood market by some infected person, which sparked the epidemic. The gene sequence cannot lie," Zhang Hanhui asserted.

Maria Zakharova

"We cannot rule out that the Americans use such reference laboratories in third countries to develop and modify various pathogenic agents, including in military purposes," she commented.

The diplomat recalled that the Richard Lugar Center for Public Health Research in Tbilisi, a Georgia-based US biological laboratory, is an official part of the US military system of global infectious diseases control. "Moreover, according to recent reports, top-ranking Pentagon officials have recently visited it to offer the Georgian authorities to expand the range of research," she noted.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2020 0:50 utc | 148

I, too, kind of stopped reading at "time of tragedy" and "malicious psychopath."

Tragedy? Who sez?
Who is instructing the populace that covid = time of tragedy?
How about ongoing oppression and genocide of Palestinians?
Homelessness outrage in the USA?
GEnocide in Yemen?
Thousands who die of cancer/influenza/ etc. every year, every day?

Basically the election of Donald Trump is the reason for this "tragedy."
Who, whether you like it or not, was elected by a majority of American voters. So I guess by extension that is the "tragedy."

This "rant" basically looks like more partisan propaganda riding on the covid coattails telling people how to think and *feel* about the current covid situation and to lay it all at the doorstep of Donald Trump. It is a "tragedy," so don't ask questions about, say, the stats, the origin of the virus, etc.

I, too, am disgusted by the harsh/stupid actions Trump has taken vis-a-vis any number of international players. Agaion, this does not amount to "tragedy" any more than other stupid/harsh actions/sanctions Trump has taken. Or any other pols. Obama. Clinton. Ad nauseam. Brenner is just noticing this now?

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 18 2020 0:58 utc | 149

I have been coming here for years, though posting very rarely, and I am only doing so now to add my voice to the many above who have noted a dramatic drop in the quality of content and discussion. When this site focused on conflict in the Middle East and other strategic issues it was an excellent (but naturally imperfect) resource for finding alternative views and key pieces of information overlooked or wilfully obscured by the mainstream media. At times it would go off on less insightful tangents (like Boeing airlines) but they were few and far between. However, since the Covid-19 outbreak the tone of the site has become everything it used to oppose: emotional, narrow-minded and intolerant. Such reactions are, perhaps, understandable in the climate of unease and, in some cases, hysteria, that is pervasive in Western society at the moment. Nonetheless, it is sad to see such a decline in what used to be a thoroughly reliable source of even-handed commentary. Hopefully, it is a situation that can be rectified.

Posted by: Glagaire | Apr 18 2020 1:14 utc | 150

vk @ 82 and elsewhere:

It's "nurSING homes," not "nursery homes."

Nurseries are for infants and young children.
And trees.

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 18 2020 1:24 utc | 151

Ok I'm weighing in on this: I'm a retired teacher/counselor, came of age in the late 60s and 70s, lived communaly for 10 years, studied hindu meditation, went to India, Mexico, yada yada.
At first I was nodding my head with the ranter, agreeing with his framing and description of how bad Trump is but after a bit I felt strung out and basically like he was just wearing me out along with himself in his primal screaming/hissy fit. Remember gestalt anyone? It feels good to let loose... then what?
Finger pointing gets you a little bit high, makes you feel superior, but you need another dose of it to stay out of your depression. It's also safe if the object-- Trump in this case-- is not engaged in your rant and capable of coming back at you. So you get a false sense of power.
All of my/our time spent on this and other blogs is only helpful if i/we take the information and figure out how to operationalize it... do something! Talk to neighbors, family, build something, take risks, get criticized.
Look for role models who are not whiners: Viktor Frankel, Howard Zinn, Arundhati Roy, Kathy Kelly, Gabor Mate, I think b fits into this category although I don't know that much about him.
A rant is a cheap high unless it is accompanied by some introspection and proposed action. "Know yourself".

Posted by: migueljose | Apr 18 2020 1:37 utc | 152

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 18 2020 1:24 utc | 157

It's "nurSING homes," not "nursery homes."

The alternative name is long term care homes.
Or seniors care centres.

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 18 2020 1:37 utc | 153

Today, we struggle to produce a few thousand $1 face masks - much less reliable COVID-19 test kits.
from the last point in the lead story...

How crazy is that? These face masks are constructed by programmable machines with a minimum of human support needs. Machines that pump out thousands a day and are capable of running continuously until feedstock needs replenishing for short spells.

Wages are extremely poor in the USA and yet that hapless nation does not even have the wit to maintain self sufficiency of basic goods in the age of automation.

Greed has destroyed the USA and its citizens are clearly sick of it so now it descends into racist and medical ignorance to distract its angry citizens.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 18 2020 2:00 utc | 154

Posted by: David F | Apr 17 2020 20:43 utc | 105

Are you not capable of making that distinction?

Also, that Harold Pinter speech is awesome. I have a copy and read it from time to time.


We are all complicit in our Govts crimes against humanity. Whether we are aware of/ or blissfully ignorant- condemn or condone these crimes WE are all complicit as Citizens.

The previous 2 U$$A Presidents have admitted to the world that We Torture?
Blink blink. Anything? We all have a choice to ignore or speak out- but we are all in it.
A Nation of lying cowards.

Pinter spelled it out. MLK Vietnam speech. Eisenhower, JFK, Malcom etc.
A few more months on this trajectory and we may all be murdering each other rather than being murdered and silenced by our own Govt.

"Century of the Self" documentary is an excellent example of the propagandizing of a Nation into apathy and selfishness.

Posted by: CitizenX | Apr 18 2020 2:08 utc | 155

Posted by: Charles Burgess | Apr 17 2020 19:45 utc | 84


I'm with you, Charles!
Why did b publish this here?
I'm sure b can write his own rants, but do we need rants to take up valuable column inches, and cognitive real estate?

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 18 2020 2:25 utc | 156


There are errors made by spellcheck and errors made by non-native speakers. Then there are errors made by bots.
“Nursery homes”? Repeatedly? Willing suspension of disbelief is not helping me here

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 17 2020 21:13 utc | 113

Bots, ha ha. Maybe that is the explanation for the mechanical nature of many of vk's posts. Like, out of a Far Side wikipedia.
First time I saw "nursery homes" I thought it was a strange error for someone so loquacious and academically stentorious. This time I thought: What? Still making this same dumb mistake? Odd . . .

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 18 2020 2:33 utc | 157

Where is this rant originally published?

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 18 2020 2:35 utc | 158

Anachronis @162, I agree that Mr. Trump has a very weak ego. I see him as a giant coward, a trait that has been reported by those who've known him a long time. As you say, his weak ego doesn't mean he's less of a problem for Americans than other presidents have been. Pres. Trump is the opposite of Candidate Trump, almost immediately began bombing Syria and supporting terrorists. He's just another neocon sell-out with a twist, the twist being his daughter is Soros in a dress. The War Industry runs the US, no matter who's president. They let Trump sound like a bully because they know he has no power. As someone said, "Tweet. Cave. Repeat."

Posted by: chili palmer | Apr 18 2020 3:04 utc | 159

"Biden’s campaign on Friday released a spate of ads blaming Trump for being too trusting of President Xi Jinping as the coronavirus spread"

How do you like Biden attacking Trump? Who's more tougher? Well, regardless who win China bashing continue...

Posted by: JC | Apr 18 2020 3:21 utc | 160

There is a lot to hate Trump for but too many take the word of the Trump hating mainstream media, along with the Democrats, that distorts what he does. The standard operating procedure is to call everything he says lies even if they aren't. The TDS people believe it without checking just as every time Obama opened his mouth it was a lie. Russiagate with endless "exposes" of Trump being in Putin's pocket that all turned out to be fabrications and lies. No president has been harder on Russia than Trump, check out the facts they are there to see, but that doesn't get the headlines. Trump wanted to extend wait times for Muslims entering the US from 7 countries hostile to the US and it was spun into Trump hates Muslims. Some "friend" comes out with a "locker room" tape over 10 years old and Trump is painted as a woman hater even though those comments were typical banter by both sexes, they won't admit it in public, when viewing the opposite sex in a group of their peers. Trump stealing medical supplies destined for France and Germany turned out to be lies. Same with the "breaking news" the Intel community warned Trump of a disease breakout in China last November which was debunked by the intel community itself. Then there's the big one where, as some commenters still believe, Trump called the virus a hoax. Trump called the Democratic response to his virus efforts a hoax as is plain to see when they watch the tapes but that didn't stop the media from claiming he called the virus a hoax. With Trump's ratings going up the Democrats are going full stop to try censorship by not covering his Corona press conferences "because they are all lies." As usual they make the charge but offer no proof as they don't have to as the Trump haters will believe anything negative about Trump. While Trump was doing lots of things like stopping flights from China and Europe to combat the virus Nancy, Cuomo, deBlasio and his NY City health department were urging people to ignore the advice and go out and gather and party as Trump was "overreacting". Now that they can't ignore the problem any longer they bash Trump as "being behind the curve." They also want Trump to stop calling it a Chinese disease, with many outlets confirming it is, because it is "racist' but the reality is they want him to stop so they can label it Trump's disease as many outlets have.

As far as Trump is doing a dangerous thing and opening up the country he's not the only one. Calls from all over the country getting louder everyday from politicians, media, and employers, to open up. As many have said the cure may worse than the disease if we stay locked up.

The Liberty ship thing is totally misrepresented. These were cheap ships with cheap old propulsion that made them very slow. They were also built prefab in many different places, unlike the at the time built from the keel up at the ship yard, and assembled at the shipyard. More a tribute to Kaiser and his changing the way ships were built not Rosie the riveter.

Posted by: snedly arkus | Apr 18 2020 3:22 utc | 161

About matters b and most here are expert or very knowledgeable about, we aggressively reject the mainstream media/academia narrative, because it so obviously conflicts with facts on the ground. In matters outside our expertise, we naturally tend to read more narrowly, usually the mainstream (and Trump Derangement Syndrome damaged) narrative, which we unthinkingly start to accept.

The latter is especially the case in science-based crises, which the Coronavirus crisis is purported to be. But really it is a controversy over statistics and statistical analysis - classification, infection and re-infection rates, the infection mortality rates of various classifications of people, and the economic and human life impact of economic shutdowns, partial shutdowns and cautious re-openings - and then the best policy options based on those statistics.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 18 2020 3:32 utc | 162

Posted by: A User | Apr 18 2020 0:32 utc | 151
and your rant really improved the quality of the thread! yoru rant always do, especially the swear words, without which you seem to be unable to express yourself.

BTW, who are you to inform Americans that they have no rights at this site vis-a-vis non-Americans?

Oh, because Trump is American? You think I or any other American commenting here had anything to do with that?

Posted by: Really?? | Apr 18 2020 3:38 utc | 163

As far as Trump stomping on the media it's about time. We don't have journalists we have people that want to shape and make the news to highlight themselves. They can't get to the point but pontificate on whatever bunk is on their mind to call attention to themselves. Like the woman "reporter" who was all over Trump the other day, mid April, about what were you doing during in February when the epidemic was getting going. The info was right there in her papers archives but she only brought it up to call attention to herself on national TV and hope Trump would stumble and make her look like a genius. Trump was having none of it and rightly so. Wasting his, his staffs, and the countries time. Russiagate with the Washington Post, New York Times, Time magazine filling up pages for months of revelations that turned out to be fiction or distortions. Now they are back to Russia is hacking the US and Trump is doing their bidding.

I followed the Libya war where Obama and Hillary sent their attack dogs to turn prosperous Libya into a failed state now full of racism and jihadists. Where women held high positions in the military and government. Qadaffi was rightly to be awarded by the UN for his work on women's rights but never got it because of the fake "responsibility to protect" which was a complete lie to justify to the public regime change. Now Libyan women are back to second class status. Large numbers of articles written by western media detailing the heroic efforts of the rebels always with the disclaimer at the end "cannot be verified." Yet every press release by the Qaddafi government was usually prefaced in the media as by the "lying running dog Qaddafi government" said today. Turns out Qaddafi was far far more truthful than the "heroic" rebels many of whom were Al Qaeda.

Posted by: snedly arkus | Apr 18 2020 3:51 utc | 164

This interview by WebMD with a doctor at Maimonides in New York is important and should be viewed by everyone. What he is saying is that this virus causes a *new* disease that is *not* conventional ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) and (probably) should not be treated by the same protocols developed for treating ARDS.

Do COVID-19 Vent Protocols Need a Second Look?

The bottom line is that the doctors currently treating you for this virus (probably) *do not know* how to treat this virus! They are feeling their way through this thing. As the doctor in the video above suggests, the medical profession needs to examine the *possibility* that COVID-19 is a *new* disease and that previous protocols may not apply.

For patients on ventilators, the bottom line is that upwards of 50 percent - to seventy percent, according to this doctor - will not come out alive, based on current protocols.

This Webinar - which I believed was referenced here in an earlier thread by someone - is along the same lines (Warning: More technical than the above because it is a Webinar for doctors - but still valuable to watch):

Webinar on Avoiding Intubation and Initial Ventilation in COVID19

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2020 3:54 utc | 165

Noirette --@49--noted the lameness of Brenner's opening paragraph, and the lack of precision in his first sentence. As a composition, it gets off to a bad start; and I agree with her that "it draws attention away from larger issues " and gets drawn into "trivial personalia" . A binding theme is unclear. Brenner's article is more rhetoric than rant, and the anecdote thrown in at the end is anticlimactic. I don't get why so many folks are hyperventilating over this article. After all, it doesn't capture the indignation, or the tight organization, of a proper rant. Brenner just comes off as a rattled government functionary having a panic attack.

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 18 2020 3:56 utc | 166

CitizenX | Apr 18 2020 2:08 utc | 161

We are going to have to disagree on this. The word you used was 'complicit', I am anything but complicit. I refuse to take any responsibility for things I have no power to do anything about.

"Pinter spelled it out. MLK Vietnam speech. Eisenhower, JFK, Malcom etc."

What did any of those people accomplish? Two of them were asassinated (remember what I said in the previous post about "being beaten, shot, or imprisoned"?) What did assange and the wiki-leaks guy (I can't remember his name right now) or chelsea manning get for their troubles? Assange will be dead soon enough, wiki guy is banished and will be dead when they get a good chance, and manning has spent untold amounts of time in prison.

And further, if sacrificing my life would make a difference, I think I might be willing to do that, but it won't so I would be effectively just throwing my life away. Why would a person do that for no good reason?

This is nothing new either. This is humanities perpetual problem. Read tolstoy, dostoyevsky, chekov, twain, menken, mlk, aristotle, etc. I could go on all day with examples, and yet at the end of the day, here we are, same boat.

If there was something that could be done to change things, I would be on board 100%. There was a time in my life when I was a very enthusiastic idealist, and thought that all that was really needed was to educate people, the world beat that out of me eventually.

I hesitate to mention this because a couple of days ago this instigated a nasty conversation, but until we get the sociopaths out of positions of power, this will be man's condition.

I am a kind and caring person, I am not going to hurt a man or his family or community to get the change that I feel is needed. The people that we are opposed to will do all of that and more, and they won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

Put the blame where it belongs, with the people who are responsible for the shitty things our government does.

Posted by: David F | Apr 18 2020 4:05 utc | 167

Anyone considered the possibility that b posted this as a commentary on the ranting going on here? If so, he's spot on. Just a thought.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2020 4:30 utc | 168

"Nonetheless, it is sad to see such a decline in what used to be a thoroughly reliable source of even-handed commentary. Hopefully, it is a situation that can be rectified."

Posted by: Glagaire | Apr 18 2020 1:14 utc | 156

Don't give up on this site, it's a very unusual time period, and people need to vent. Still in all, there is STILL much relevancy to be gleaned here, especially the therapy in venting. Read more links, some are very useful.

Posted by: ben | Apr 18 2020 4:41 utc | 169

This video explains much about the inter-action of SARS-Covid2 virus and... spike/ACEnzyme2 binding to AT2 lung cells, furin, membrane porosity via viroporons E and ORf3a, macrophages, cell-free heme, porphyrins, sabotage of ferrous/hemoglobin oxygen transport, ferritin hypoxia, ascorbate/DHA recycling, Nitric Oxide, Oxidative Bursts, etc.

I cannot judge its degree of truth and errors and omissions, but I could follow its detailed view of how the disease can be understood and handled. For that it was very helpful.

You might scan thru the introduction of the presenter and get right into her 1-hour , very tight review .

Posted by: chuteh | Apr 18 2020 5:30 utc | 170

I forgot to add:

As she talks with slides, I recommend making a screen-copy of each slide. Then you have her entire in-sequence explanation of the SARS_Covid2 disease for reference later. No need to take notes.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 18 2020 5:38 utc | 171

A rant it certainly is.

Whilst most of the text is basically true, it never at any point rises above the level of a rant. And whilst I agree that Trump is a malicious and incompetent psychopath and pathological liar, I disagree that he has no redeeming features.

His first and most precious redeeming feature is his crude, brazenly outspoken directness, which aggrevates and strains psychopathic relations with close mafia colleagues (i.e. "allies"), opens the eyes of potential doubters, and stirs to a fever the passions of the US's many opponents and victims.

His second most important redeeming feature is his incompetence and his proclivity to surround himself by retarded idiots blinded by their hippocracy, bigotry and hubris.

Together, these two valuable redeeming features serve to accelerate the high speed train leading to the inevitably and amply deserved collapse of Empire.

In his maliciousness, his incompetence, his psychopathic behaviour, his pathological lying, his brutal scheming, his avidly undertaken crimes against humanity, and his gross inhumanity he differs not one single iota from all other US presidents in living memory if not beyond. All that differentiates him from those other presidents are his redeeming features. We would do well to bear that in mind when judging him. That is in sharp contrast to the slimy suave lies and crafty covering up of Obomber, from whom he differs in no other respect.

It is very unfortunate about the Covid-19 outbreak, but that too may have a potential redeeming feature - maybe, just maybe, we will be able to see the collapse of Empire without war. Or even if there is a war initiated by these crazed psychopaths, in their drunken Covid-19 laden stupors, maybe the US military will simply fizzle out like a damp firework under their weight of gross incompetence, ineptitude and Covid-19 enstranglement.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you a toast: to the collapse of Empire, may it be speedy and thorough, like a high speed train crashing headling into a cliff, and may it be without war!

There, a rant in reply to a rant! Alas, MoA is not at its finest hour.

Posted by: BM | Apr 18 2020 6:13 utc | 172

David F | Apr 18 2020 4:05 utc | 175

...MLK Vietnam speech. Eisenhower, JFK, Malcom etc."

What did any of those people accomplish?...

MLK and Malccolm X both, laid out for-the-record their personal views and cognitions to arrive by the time of their deaths, to a mature and masterful awareness of very vital and sensitive subjects involving all of us. Those 2 had such a marvelous and helpful effect on millions of their countrymen who were the better for it and will always thank MLK and Malcolm.

Brings to mind Twain's Huck Finn and the runaway slave going down the Mississippi sharing a raft. Huck Finn was able to work out in his own mind a workable understanding of slaves and slavery and human beings and how to evaluate and nullify so much mental garbage that had been stuffed into him...until he was able to think for himself and see clearly.

JFK? His murder taught millions that their betters, the VeryBestPeople, were mostly flat-out. in-your-face-liars and frauds as government officials who viewed the common folk as fools to be fooled and suckers to be sucked dry.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 18 2020 6:18 utc | 173

> Those three countries had one cultural aspect in common: they had the tradition of housing the elderly in their children's homes
Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2020 20:39 utc | 102

The best and safest place for the elderly would be in the extended family home - wearing a face mask - under the care of loving relatives who give careful consideration to their needs, rather than being half-deserted in uncaring nursing homes. In they ought to be given good ventilation and adequate space, in the vicinity of grandchildren but not too close. Maybe (but by no means certain), limited but non-overwhelming contact with youngsters - who have had low-level contact with the virus at school - might help them cope gradually with a low-level viral load so that the elderly too have a better chance of developing immunity. Most certainly the extended family environment would be massively better for their immune condition in general.

As adjunct, the argument holds less well for those living in very cramped and unsanitory conditions especially ghettos.

Posted by: BM | Apr 18 2020 6:46 utc | 174

chu teh | Apr 18 2020 6:18 utc | 181

I agree that they were great thinkers, but nothing changed as a result of what they said or did.

Being a martyr doesn't have any value in and of itself. A moral victory, without any resultant change doesn't have any value in and of itself.

Had people risen up and held the people who murdered them responsible, had there been some fundamental change as a result of their words, deeds, and ultimate deaths, then I would agree it was worth it.

I would guess their loved one's would have rather had them keep living rather than making an ultimately useless sacrifice.

Posted by: David F | Apr 18 2020 7:01 utc | 175

Ooops: 1957, not 1976!

Posted by: JoveBove/區司 | Apr 18 2020 7:02 utc | 176

@ John 94

Thanks for the good words. I'm glad you're going about your normal, perfectly safe and beneficial outdoor routine. If only everyone who had such a routine would insist on sticking to it, we could begin to counteract this wave of totalitarian insanity and evil.

@ Fairleft

Thanks for the sane remarks and evidence.

Posted by: Russ | Apr 18 2020 7:11 utc | 177

Posted by: Charles Burgess | Apr 17 2020 19:45 utc | 84

Well..what ruined your "country" are a lot of things..Your fake american dream is just something that only you fellow yankees should start to understand that your life standard was high fellow americans..and then when have you been great?when you killed millions in your fucking wars?..the "country" that spitted at their soldiers should make a deep interior reflection..isolate yourselves beacuse the world has enough of your dirty scars and stripes!

Posted by: LuBa | Apr 18 2020 7:44 utc | 178

A rare disappointment, MoA. A ranter who still believes Trump was "duly elected", when he was not. He was "selected" by the Electoral College after Hillary won the popular vote. He rightly criticizes the Sec Navy but can't spell his name - it's Modly. He accepts blithely the fascist government that's relentlessly pillaging the country, yet bemoans only its inept thugs but not its rotten structure. His ranting is tiresome, futile, useless. I suggest he returns to his day job and leaves writing to writers.

Posted by: Jack_Garbo | Apr 18 2020 7:46 utc | 179

Senegal president is praising chloroquine in interviews. They use it there from the verh first symptoms. They closed schools and borders at 20 positive cases, all imported probably. That helped. 342 cases and 2 dead.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 18 2020 7:49 utc | 180

@ krollchem | Apr 17 2020 23:37 utc | 144
Sorry, though I appreciated your comments in general, the text you linked to contains nonsense:
"Well, this is a news dating back a few days ago, a Canadian team of the Clinical Research Institute of Montreal states that quercetin, an antioxidant present naturally in several foods, may act as a vaccine and a cure against novel coronavirus. © Read more at:"

Quercetine as a vaccine?
Where do you propose to get that quercetine and how to solve the problem of the unsufficient bioavailability of this compound? It is hardly water-soluble and the chemically altered (in the liver) compound that is water-solublehas no impact.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 18 2020 8:00 utc | 181

Much appreciate your work b. Keep it up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2020 8:14 utc | 182

Quote @Big_Sense | Apr 18 2020 3:26 utc | 169

A young doctor in an intensive care unit (ICU) in New York made an important observation.

He experienced several patients, that did not show any typical symptoms of pneumonia but nevertheless they were extremely breathless (dyspnoeic) and cyanotic (blue skin). "They were no Covid-19 patients, they looked like passengers of an airplane at high altitude loosing pressure."

Quote @Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2020 3:54 utc | 173
This interview by WebMD with a doctor at Maimonides in New York is important and should be viewed by everyone. What he is saying is that this virus causes a *new* disease that is *not* conventional ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) and (probably) should not be treated by the same protocols developed for treating ARDS.

I think both of this ties in with this interesting new theory.
Long story short: Molecular modelling suggests that some proteïne the virus host cell produces strongly binds to hemoglobin and prevents it from binding oxygen.

Posted by: Joost | Apr 18 2020 8:19 utc | 183

Trump is just the figurehead and the fall guy for a corruption of money in the current US system. Whoever gets elected will be just as bad. In a way the naivety of Trump brings the whole corrupt system better into focus so the US public can see.

Until reform of politics limiting political funding to a small amount (as in many countries in Europe) and reducing the power of lobbyists and for politician to be denied cashing in after the period in power via directorships etc.

They say people get the politicians they deserve and Trump is just the sort of leader you get given the corrupt current political system the US has. -)

Posted by: J | Apr 18 2020 8:23 utc | 184

Joost 193

The Chinese doctors noted hypoxemia in the very first batch of patients from Wuhan.
From the paper you link to.

The attack will cause less and less hemoglobin that can carry oxygen and carbon dioxide. The lung cells have extremely intense poisoning and inflammatory due to the inability to exchange carbon dioxide and oxygen frequently, which eventually results in ground-glass-like lung images. The mechanism also interfered with the normal heme anabolic pathway of the human body, is expected to result in human disease. According to the validation analysis of these finds, chloroquine could prevent orf1ab, ORF3a, and ORF10 to attack the heme to form the porphyrin, and inhibit the binding of ORF8 and surface glycoproteins to porphyrins to a certain extent, effectively relieve the symptoms of respiratory distress. Since the ability of chloroquine to inhibit structural proteins is not particularly obvious, the therapeutic effect on different people may be different. Favipiravir could inhibit the envelope protein and ORF7a protein bind to porphyrin, prevent the virus from entering host cells, and catching free porphyrins.

I believe China is using both Chloroquine phosphate and Favipiravir along with several other drugs.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2020 8:45 utc | 185

Any rant? Any international condemnations?

Posted by: Mina | Apr 18 2020 8:46 utc | 186

America is getting dumber more and more. The posts of some Americans here are another confirmation of this. Machael Brenner's article is just a litmus test for identifying Americans who are unwilling or unable to see beyond their nose ... sorry ... their pocket. Such an America cannot have a bright future.

b, thank you for your job!

Posted by: Francis | Apr 18 2020 9:20 utc | 187

Everybody should be allowed a damn good rant from time to time. It clears the mind. It doesn't need to be agreed democratically.
I just had a good rant about the ants in my kitchen. I have put down ant killer. How many berflies will respond that I am cruel and destroying the environment!!

Posted by: Old Engineer | Apr 18 2020 9:20 utc | 188

The main question with Covid 19 now is whether the virus is going to kill more people than the lockdowns. Neil Clark considers this concerning Britain:

The Big COVID-19 Question: At What Point Does a 'Lockdown' Cost More Lives Than It Saves?

"Consider the ONS death statistics for England and Wales for the week ending 3rd April.

With an increase of over 6,000, the total of 16,387 was the highest level of deaths in one week since weekly statistics began in 2005. Out of those 6,082 excess deaths, just over half of them (3,475) mentioned COVID-19. But 2,607 didn’t. Now it could be that a percentage of these were undiagnosed COVID-19 deaths. But all of them? It is likely that non-COVID deaths are running higher than normal too."

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Apr 18 2020 9:25 utc | 189

Try link again

The Big COVID-19 Question: At What Point Does a 'Lockdown' Cost More Lives Than It Saves? → The Big COVID-19 Question: At What Point Does a 'Lockdown' Cost More Lives Than It Saves?

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Apr 18 2020 9:27 utc | 190


- deleted a number of comments that insulted the author of the rant or this blogger.
- deleted a number of links/comments related to quack therapies that are know to be dangerous.
- deleted a number of comments that pointed to fake 'science' which had already been debunked.

- wondering why there were so many first time commentators that fell into the above categories. Who has send them here?

Posted by: b | Apr 18 2020 9:51 utc | 191

David F | Apr 18 2020 7:01 utc | 183

...but nothing changed as a result of what they said or did....

True, dat. I think it was Chou EnLai, when asked about the results of the French Revolution, replied "It's too early to tell".

The fact of CRSPR and PCR tech and internet global dissemination of [some] vital data, along with plenty of chaos, there might be a straw that incites just enuf blowback that the military roboticness seizes up. and their viewpoint shifts just a little bit more about which side they belong on. I recently heard a kingpin I haven't heard since Big Blue came down...

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 18 2020 9:52 utc | 192

My post with the latest researches update by D Raoult as been censored. He is, wether you like it or not, one of the top virologist in the world. His voice should be allowed to be heard. This is very disapointing.

Posted by: alain | Apr 18 2020 10:01 utc | 193

193 "Who has send them here?"

Quite an operation going on for China dunnit. This is China's MH17 and plenty of planning has gone into it. ZH has taken on the job of being the bellingcat of of coronavirus. ZH links through to some blog called "Harvard to the Big House" Some well educated crim with mind problems behind that blog.
Writing propaganda scientific report and attributing it to Chinese scientists.
But overall, a major operation to convince readers of so called alternative news that China is responsible for coronavirus.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2020 10:13 utc | 194

Michael Brenner, the author of this propaganda piece, is hopelessly compromised. From his background:

"Recipient of grants from the Ford Foundation, Carnegie Endowment For International Peace, United States Information Service, European Union Commission, NATO, and the Exxon Education Foundation."

If b. wants to become an aggregator he could have chosen this, much more relevant, article (which accurately describes the massive transfer of wealth that is taking place in the US and gives a chilling glimpse of the future facing ordinary Americans) from Eric Zuess, instead:

Why at Least America Will Be in Another Great Depression

Posted by: ADKC | Apr 18 2020 10:21 utc | 195

Found some interesting Trivia looking up Australia's bio warfare against rabits.

Genetic immunity.

In 1950, the SLS strain of myxoma virus from the South American tapeti (Sylvilagus brasiliensis) was released in Australia as a biological control agent against feral rabbits. The virus was at first highly lethal, with an estimated case fatality rate of close to 99.8%. Within a few years, however, this strain was replaced by less virulent ones, which permitted longer survival of infected rabbits and enhanced disease transmission. The virus created strong selection pressure for the evolution of rabbits resistant to myxomatosis. As rabbits became more resistant the viral strains responded by becoming less virulent.

Calicivirus "RHD primarily infects only adult rabbits. In fact, research has shown that rabbits younger than 8 weeks of age are resistant to the virus."

In 1991 a strain of the virus, Czech CAPM 351RHDV, was imported to Australia[19] under strict quarantine conditions to research the safety and usefulness of the virus if it was used as a biological control agent against Australia and New Zealand's rabbit pest problem. Testing of the virus was undertaken on Wardang Island in Spencer Gulf off the coast of the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. In 1995 the virus escaped quarantine and subsequently killed 10 million rabbits within 8 weeks of its release.[20]

In March 2017 a new Korean strain known as RHDV1 K5 was successfully released in a deliberate manner after almost a decade of research. This strain was chosen in part because it functions better in cool, wet regions where the previous Calicivirus was less effective.[21]

New Zealand

An unsuccessful attempt was made by New Zealand officials to control the spread of the disease. It was, however, being intentionally spread, and several farmers (notably in the Mackenzie Basin area) admitted to processing rabbits that had died from the disease in kitchen blenders for further spreading.

Had the disease been introduced at a better time, there would have been a more effective control of the population. However, it was released after breeding had commenced for the season, and rabbits under 2 weeks old at the time of the introduction were resistant to the disease. These young rabbits were therefore able to survive and breed rabbit numbers back up. Ten years on, rabbit populations (in the Mackenzie Basin in particular) are beginning to reach near pre-plague proportions once again though they have not yet returned to pre RCD levels.[22][23]

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2020 10:47 utc | 196

I thought the article a fair enough rant firing off in all directions. The utter corruption in government, corporate and regulators is well documented for those that choose to look. Except one of course, we can absolutely trust Big Pharma, look how well the Anthrax and SARS vaccines worked out, the CDC and the FDA are above reproach.

Personally I like Bill Gates program, OK so there were many deaths and complications from his vaccines in Africa and India, but I'm convinced he's got it right this time.
This new method of digitally ensuring everyone on the planet gets vaccinated for every disease known to man is our only salvation from this deadly pandemic that is a threat to life on this planet. So only another 17 months of lock down to go.

Posted by: Rancid | Apr 18 2020 10:52 utc | 197

The possible dubious or compromising background of the author of the rant some hold here, does not disqualify its accuracy.

Fortunately, human beings, except inborn psychopaths, can change, and most change, even against their natural tendencies, when leaned out the precipice, a path of conversion way more effective that that of Damascus...This conversions do not need to be willingly, or even well intentioned, most of the times they happen in verge of losing it as to save some pennies...I for one would wish to witness, through a little hole, Pat Lang´s conversion, or not, in the hour of reckoning...Both possibilities would be worth witnessing since he shows so inhuman and greedy as always in time of crisis, and at the same time pretending being so exemplary Christian...

We most have witnessed how much he changed one Jeffrey Sachs, intellectual author of the controled implossion and plundering of the USSR, through these last years. Of course, that does not decreases his blame with resepct the damage done. One must be always subject to justice for crimes against humanity ( as the willing demolition of the USSR is, in spite of no tribunal cathegorizing it...) crimes which should never prescribe...

BTW, that in the current run up by the US to sue China for its own Coronavirus loses, especially economic ( which US would have had anyway, with or without Coronavirus, simply this offers the US a good alibi for its own default prognosiced already years ago by some...) other countreis suffering US inflicted damage through these years should take note and sue the US, starting with Vietnam, Philipines, Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Angola, Venezuela, Russia, Afghanistan, Lybia, Irak, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Cambodia, Indonesia, Spain, Yemen, Ukraine, Haití, and the whole EU for GLADIO and ISIS terrorits operations...

Not to mention, damage inflicted on especially the EU by mismanagement and misinformation on the 2008 crisis ponzi scheme, which clearly started in the US as patient zero ( as most probably is that case of this Coronacrisis too...) and which was exported to the rest of the world, and the whole petrodolar system´s scam...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 18 2020 10:53 utc | 198

Peter AU1 @196

In parallel, there appears to be an attempt at entrapment where it is suggested there is a share of the blame (between US and China) and the US has had similar 'accidents' so it is safe for China to 'fess up. (I would imagine that if China were to 'come clean' then the US part of this story would become 'allegations').

Michael Pillsbury, a longtime China expert (Chinaphobe) from the Hudson Institute, gives his authority to the following scenario:- The US and China were jointly funding experiments on providing a gain of function to Coronavirus but one of the experiments, unintentionally, escaped from the lab, US had an accident is 2004, China had an accident on 2019, etc.

Americans' Views on China Will Change

I cannot imagine that Pillsbury would be revealing such a "truth" unless it was false or a political trap.

However, if what Pillsbury describes is true then the people's of US and China should burn their leaders at the stake. I think it is another dose of BS.

Posted by: ADKC | Apr 18 2020 10:56 utc | 199

@Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 18 2020 10:53 utc | 200

simply this offers the US a good alibi for its own default prognosiced already years ago by some...

Daniel Estulin in 2017....

Daniel Estulin: "We are on the verge of a world economic collapse and the dismantling of the capitalist system"

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 18 2020 11:04 utc | 200

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