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April 29, 2020
Open Thread 2020-34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrsbE1icpzA Posted by: JW | Apr 29 2020 16:48 utc | 1 US real GDP plunges at a 4.8% annualised rate in the first quarter of 2020
@vk #2 Posted by: c1ue | Apr 29 2020 17:44 utc | 3 @ Posted by: c1ue | Apr 29 2020 17:44 utc | 3 2019 The year of social uprising Posted by: Lozion | Apr 29 2020 20:58 utc | 5 @Lozion (5) Posted by: bjd | Apr 29 2020 21:42 utc | 6 How Turkey sees COVID-19 as a foreign policy opportunity … in Libya Posted by: Virgile | Apr 29 2020 22:49 utc | 7 Yeah so much uprising that everyone …well just failed to show up…in the USA that is! Posted by: Chevrus | Apr 29 2020 22:50 utc | 8 Trivia time. Hail Putin, and Petrol prices in Oz… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 30 2020 3:23 utc | 9 Chevrus @8 I think you need to describe the term uprising.. ? Posted by: snake | Apr 30 2020 4:01 utc | 10 its impossible to take you seriously with this B, and all your other reporting on the virus. I remember your early posts dismissing the virus as less bad than flu?! Now you sit at home cutting up hoover bags whilst clinging to hope that your smoking will help you. i can see why you would be worried now haha. They say that when a good scientist is presented with facts that go against their thinking, they change their mind.. in your case B i think you changed your underwear. Posted by: jack lockwood | Apr 30 2020 7:01 utc | 11 Watch Putin: ‘Unacceptable for the US to Extend Its Jurisdiction Beyond Its Borders’ Posted by: Mao | Apr 30 2020 7:36 utc | 12 Syria received eight million barrels of oil (four tankers) from Iran this month. Could it be that Egypt stomped on the Suez canal authority to allow the tankers to pass through to Syria? Posted by: Krollchem | Apr 30 2020 7:54 utc | 13 karlof1 #26 on the ‘other’ thread
I am past the covid fear thread so I respond here if you don’t mind and anyway Justin Amash is bad news from a different virus. Amash reads like a reactionary turd that doesn’t like to obey the conservative ‘system’. That does NOT imply that he has one progressive or even libertarian (whatever that means) bone in his body. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 30 2020 9:14 utc | 15 Jack Lockwood @ 11 Posted by: Montreal | Apr 30 2020 10:23 utc | 16 A flaky source but nevertheless a source, WaPo and LA Times headline to-day that the clown of orange has been shown internal polling indicating that the clown will lose to the pervert. Posted by: Walter | Apr 30 2020 12:03 utc | 17 Redacted FBI document hints at Israeli efforts to help Trump in 2016 campaign Posted by: Yul | Apr 30 2020 12:40 utc | 18 Per a footnote in this affidavit recently made public in the Roger Stone case, investigators believed “PM” referred to the prime minister of Israel. Posted by: Yul | Apr 30 2020 12:43 utc | 19 I see PressTV says on Twitter> “Press TV Posted by: Walter | Apr 30 2020 15:35 utc | 20 uncle tungsten @15– the quid pro quo and how not to lose friends:
Those were very strong words to an ally: were are defending your industry while you’re destroying ours” Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 30 2020 17:42 utc | 22 Likklemore @22– The U.S. dollar demise:
Notice the man said a new hard currency“ not Fiat. You claim to have the world’s largest, over 8,000 tonnes. Show me your gold in Fort Knox and West Point. Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 30 2020 18:24 utc | 24 @ karlof1 posted 23
See why the SGE is calling for a bypass of the USD? No longer backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government. Backed by trillions of debt. It won’t end well. Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 30 2020 19:29 utc | 25 Likklemore @24– Likklemore @25– Posted by: snake | Apr 30 2020 4:01 utc | 10 Posted by: Lohmann | Apr 30 2020 19:50 utc | 28 Interesting development in Germany, which points at who will align with whom in the current change of paradigm….
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1255841910616395779 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 30 2020 20:24 utc | 29 Gee, we all forgot that today marks the 45th anniversary of the Fall of Saigon, which makes a convenient starting point for today’s economic freefall by printing evermore money to pay for the interest on all that money that was just printed a second ago–the most massive Ponzi Scheme of all time run by the Outlaw US Empire’s Central Bank–The Fed. karlof1 @ 27 Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 30 2020 20:50 utc | 31 People might be tempted to think that the US$ strengthening is a good thing, but practically free oil should be a good thing too, right? In fact, though, the empire’s vassals buying up dollars is more of an indication of the global scope of the crisis of capitalism. As the fleet of Saudi tankers on its way to the Gulf of Mexico and the flotilla of full tankers parked off the coast of California lock oil prices at the bottom in the US, the strengthening dollar locks out any hope of real economic development in the US. Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 30 2020 21:06 utc | 32 William Gruff @32– karlof1 | Apr 30 2020 20:30 utc | 30 (Saigon, Vietnam) Posted by: Walter | Apr 30 2020 21:55 utc | 34 karlof1 #21
Agreed that the media will mute him but Jesse has already made it clear that he will campaign with rallies just as he did when elected Governor. And he has a clear field as Sanders exit blunder will leave the field to him (and Trump). Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 30 2020 21:58 utc | 35 Has someone any idea why Mark Sleboda has decided to make his Twitter private? Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 30 2020 22:02 utc | 36 Walter #34– H.Schmatz @36– Walter #34
Fine words Walter, I can see it now choppers on the roof of the Great Mosque to carry the MBS and family to freedom in USA. They could be housed in a penthouse overlooking the sacred shrine where the Twin Towers once stood. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 30 2020 22:10 utc | 39 uncle tungsten | Apr 30 2020 21:58 utc | 35 (Ventura) Posted by: Walter | Apr 30 2020 22:13 utc | 40 Walter #40 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 30 2020 23:23 utc | 41 As this is the current open thread, I will propose some discussion on a previous Michael Hudson interview -just reposted at nakedcapitalism.com. I know it has been linked to here as it comes right after Sanders had dropped out, and mostly is analyzing the multitrillion dollar giveaway just enacted by Congress. What interested me was the following exerpt: Posted by: juliania | Apr 30 2020 23:42 utc | 42 juliania #42
Thank you for that post and I fully appreciate Hudson’s critique of the narrowminded ‘science’ ? of economic theory. There has been a relentless undermining of many profession that demonstrated that life is more complex and hence so too is economics than ‘taught’ ? at reverential institutions. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 30 2020 23:57 utc | 43 The Russian Observer https://patrickarmstrong.ca/is always interesting. Here he cites Jon Hellevig on the strength of Russia’s economy (the one that is tiny and relies totally on oil exports and etc etc etc…) Posted by: bevin | May 1 2020 0:18 utc | 44 uncle tungsten | Apr 30 2020 23:23 utc | 41 Posted by: Walter | May 1 2020 0:40 utc | 45 At the risk of interrupting what seems like a very civilized discussion, of the kind one remembers of old at MoA — Posted by: Grieved | May 1 2020 2:36 utc | 46 Strongly recommend watching this documentary: Stymied in Seeking Benefits, Millions of Unemployed Go Uncounted
To be honest, the “gig economy” consensus (austerity) had already obliterated the line that separated employment from unemployment. Let’s say a random person, working intermittently, finds a 4-hour gig at a given day in a grocery store and then goes one month without any other gig (because he/she is “on demand”) – is he/she employed (“on wait”) or unemployed (because that was de facto a one of gig)? Where do you draw the line? Saudi Aramco has purchased Port Arthur refinery in Texas. This purchase allows the Saudi regime to control the largest refinery in the US and use vertical integration to push its oil products onto the US market. Posted by: Krollchem | May 1 2020 4:05 utc | 49 Walter #45 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2020 8:47 utc | 50 Grieved #46 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2020 8:56 utc | 51 The Internationale was undiscoverable using QWANT. So binned that search engine for good. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2020 10:24 utc | 52 @Posted by: Grieved | May 1 2020 2:36 utc | 46 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 10:33 utc | 53 In the International Labor Day a message of support for those who are being targeted first.. Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 10:49 utc | 54 H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 10:49 utc | 54 First establish curfew, then kick down doors…when do we get yellow stars? Posted by: Walter | May 1 2020 11:09 utc | 55 They say Pete Seeger (that subversive commie!) suborned Billy and is ultimately responsible for Billy’s obviously subversive and seditious Lyrics. Posted by: Walter | May 1 2020 11:40 utc | 56 ‘The Simpsons’ is not the only series that predicts the future. ‘Yes, Minister’ already anticipated Brexit 40 years ago. You can’t tell more in less time. Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 12:09 utc | 57
Northern Europe causes millionaire tax losses to southern countries. Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 13:37 utc | 58 @Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 13:37 utc | 58 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 13:41 utc | 59 The reality of the EU, we are not represented there, and so it goes for us…
The Hanseatic League Reich… Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 1 2020 13:48 utc | 60 Interesting to see the rumors about Kim Jong Un’s health in the western media pop up as well-made black propaganda inside North Korea itself now. Posted by: OHH | May 1 2020 17:46 utc | 61 The whiff on the winds of Tolstoy’s crowd… Posted by: Walter | May 1 2020 20:04 utc | 62 On the lighter side of current events: Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 2 2020 2:00 utc | 63 The Mafia, ALWAYS, with the far-right and the deep state, where they intertwin, drug trafficking, capitals´ flight and money laundering, human trafficking, arms trafficking, the MIC, international banking and tax havens, fake journalism, and so on…Those who fight all that as principle of life need to be wiped out…
https://twitter.com/MarcMNavarro1/status/1256325711163346945 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 2 2020 12:55 utc | 64 Having some problems with posting here, as if you were under DDOs attack…Abyway, trying again…
https://twitter.com/elajedrecista_/status/1256507863494729728 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 2 2020 13:55 utc | 65 consortiumnews discussion audio/video with Wolff and Jill Stein and so on. Superb ‘Pandemic America’—With Guests Jill Stein & Richard Wolff” Posted by: Walter | May 2 2020 14:24 utc | 66 This is a shout out to b about system issues that he reported Posted by: psychohistorian | May 2 2020 14:50 utc | 67 Schmatz Posted by: Mina | May 2 2020 15:38 utc | 68 @Posted by: Mina | May 2 2020 15:38 utc | 68 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 2 2020 17:15 utc | 69 @Posted by: Mina | May 2 2020 15:38 utc | 68 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 2 2020 17:22 utc | 70 @Posted by: Mina | May 2 2020 15:38 utc | 68 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 2 2020 17:33 utc | 71 Schmatz, let’s keep hope. One of the most interesting elements in this crisis is that other elephant in the room: mass tourism. Not sustainable to any, but the 1% making billions from it while the 99% get seasonal jobs, and even seasonal accomodations in the most touristic places… Posted by: Mina | May 2 2020 17:52 utc | 72 Today, already yesterday here, it was the anniversay of the Odessa Massacre… Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 2 2020 23:19 utc | 73 Premonitory words, today of more actuality than ever, by Erich Honecker from “Jail Notes” 1992…
Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 0:08 utc | 74 H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 0:08 utc | 74 Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 0:18 utc | 75 To show you, Mina, that I am not exagerating, and that this people has lost contact with reality…
https://twitter.com/ciudadfutura/status/1256661832137310209 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 0:28 utc | 76 From Italian Youth Communist Front, on the Odessa Massacre…
https://twitter.com/fgc_nazionale/status/1256528735509057536 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 0:45 utc | 77 @Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 0:18 utc | 75
Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 0:54 utc | 78 @Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 0:18 utc | 75 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 0:59 utc | 79 @Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 1:17 utc | 80 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 1:29 utc | 81 H.Schmaltz – thank you for reminding us all of the crimes of May 2, 2014 in Odessa. I recall someone saying Parubiy and Chernoval have arrest warents out for them. Perhaps there is some hope. Posted by: lex talionis | May 3 2020 1:52 utc | 82 OK So prolly no one will see this, but if you are going lockdown-stircrazy, Right here is a magnet link to the excellent 20 episode production of “The Unknown War”. Posted by: A User | May 3 2020 5:52 utc | 83 A User – I am super interested to see “The Unkown War.” I have never heard of it! I am a film editor have had the good fortune have worked on a few projects about the Soviet Union. Posted by: lex talionis | May 3 2020 7:02 utc | 84 @lex talionis | May 3 2020 7:02 utc | 84 Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2020 7:32 utc | 85 Walter #62 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 3 2020 7:42 utc | 86 Jon_in_AU #63
I’d settle for Gina Reinhart to kick her arse all the way from Adelaide to Coober Pedy. Failing that Jared Kushner. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 3 2020 7:47 utc | 87 fyi all. Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 10:38 utc | 88 The Soviets did the Sherlock Holmes as film…12 hours of it. Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 10:54 utc | 89 re lex talionis | May 3 2020 7:02 utc | 84 Posted by: A User | May 3 2020 10:58 utc | 90 @Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 10:54 utc | 89 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 14:04 utc | 91 @Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 10:38 utc | 88 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 14:19 utc | 92 H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 14:19 utc | 92 Wary is good. I’m not Lang. Just a bored retired guy who enjoyed working in the skilled trades, and has a highly variegated history. If you look further into the past you’ll see more of Wally and the posts. I even came out of character for an explanation time…I had not interned to frighten anybody. A life-long past-time has been writing stories…a trait curated by my Quaker grandparents…I tell the truth as I see it, informed. Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 14:39 utc | 93 @Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 14:39 utc | 93 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 18:07 utc | 94 I was searching for the German complete book, 200+ pages, and discovered that it’s in print at amazon, in German. I despise Amazon too. Nevertheless, as the sky, it’s there. Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 18:54 utc | 95 @Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 18:54 utc | 95
P.S: with that of “skilled trade” what are you referring, being a spook? It is said they never retire, at least in the US… Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 21:13 utc | 96 H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 21:13 utc | 96 Thanks old man. Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 22:00 utc | 97 @Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 21:13 utc | 96 Posted by: H.Schmatz | May 3 2020 22:09 utc | 98 Kool. That’s a tough read for me old man, but I’ slug along. Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 22:15 utc | 99 Yeah. I got it…binary weapon in organo-phosphorous + “x” agent. Posted by: Walter | May 3 2020 22:32 utc | 100 |
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