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April 08, 2020

Jared Kushner's Anti-Virus Priorities

April 3: Jared Kushner Faces Backlash for Saying ‘Our Stockpile’ Is Not Meant to Be ‘States’ Stockpiles’


April 7: Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word


April 8: US Department of Defense give 1 million masks to IDF for coronavirus use


Posted by b on April 8, 2020 at 7:43 UTC | Permalink

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Of course, Israel is the Pentagons biggest ally in keeping the military budget up.

Posted by: John Sang | Apr 8 2020 8:03 utc | 1

Evidently the capitol of the US isn't Washington, its Tel Aviv

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Apr 8 2020 8:06 utc | 2

Do not forget that the US government is shot through with Fundamentalist Death Cult Christians who do not give a shit about Jewish people or Judaism, but need to see a resurgent Israel with Jerusalem as its capital in order to fulfill their Apocalyptic End Times Prophecies and kick-start Armageddon.

Sick fuckers, all of them.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Apr 8 2020 8:11 utc | 3

ralphieboy post no.3

There are plenty of Christians who do not believe in Israel and I'm one of them. Not all Christians have been hoodwinked by this Israeli crap.
Don't gather everyone into one basket to make your point. Generally, the world is way more complicated than that!

Posted by: Groover | Apr 8 2020 8:33 utc | 4

The Jpost article that b links to says that a million masks from China (donated by the US Department of Defense) arrived in Tel Aviv on Tuesday night. But Israel should have already had two million masks if this report from last weekend is correct:
The shipment will include two million masks, landing in Israel on Monday morning,

So that appears to be three million masks from China, plus those seized from American hospitals. Or are they fiddling the figures and pretending that those seized masks were legally purchased in China?

Posted by: Brendan | Apr 8 2020 8:49 utc | 5

We live in a world ruled by lunatics who call themselves "Jews" "Christians" or "Muslims" without allowing any questioning about the totally distorted history they believe in and spread to others. A good start is to look into the "Table of Nations" and in Samaritan history (check for scientific articles on Mount Gerizim).
Somehow I think that 2020 is about getting rid of these people. Private beliefs are okay as long as you accept that religions have been used as governing tools for so long that whatever they claim to be "historical" should be taken with a pinch of salt. One can find in religion a relief, a diet, maybe here and there some values, and a virtual cult of ancestors -genuine or fictive, but certainly not a history to be used within political agendas.

Posted by: Tomtom | Apr 8 2020 9:38 utc | 6

Groover | Apr 8 2020 8:33 utc | 4:

Read Ralphie's comment again. He specified "Fundamentalist Death Cult", otherwise, he would have just used the word Christian.

Posted by: Ian2 | Apr 8 2020 9:53 utc | 7

It appears that Mossad and others have recently acquired about two surgical masks per Israeli:

"5 April 2020,
(...)Last week, the Health Ministry said that security services and government ministries had managed to obtain 27 ventilators and a hoard of other medical equipment from abroad.

Hebrew media reported that the Mossad intelligence service, which has been tasked with securing medical equipment from abroad from unspecified countries amid worldwide shortages, helped obtain 25,000 N95 respiratory masks, 20,000 virus test kits, 10 million surgical masks, and 700 overalls for ambulance workers who usually carry out the initial testing for the virus.

It was the third such shipment by the Mossad over the past few weeks, aimed at addressing shortages in Israel."

Posted by: Brendan | Apr 8 2020 9:53 utc | 8

Pompeo: "America remains the world's leading light of humanitarian goodness."

Posted by: Mao | Apr 8 2020 9:58 utc | 9

This behaviour you list here b is just a small prelude to the yuuuge brawl that is emerging over vaccines for the covid-19 infection.

My old adversary from the right bank side of the tracks, Amazing Polly is also rounding up the names of the key players from the Democrat side of the machine.

If these carpetbaggers can get just $50 a shot for every COMPULSORY vaccine or antibody injection throughout the western world and restrict all personal travel to 'those with a certificate', they will make a motza. Gates learned a lot from selling small cost software bundles to every user.

To hell with Kushner and his toady military thugs, here comes the BIG surprise.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 8 2020 10:00 utc | 10

One million masks for the IDF.
Eat your heart out US Theodore Roosevelt and Guam.
US sailors right at the bottom of the Pentagon's priorities, thats for sure.
American military?.
Have one duty - die as required for Israel.
Including death by coronavirus by looks of things.....
More fool them.

Posted by: Emily | Apr 8 2020 10:12 utc | 11

Bloody hell. The Pentagon procures a million masks from China, then gives them to Israel - when US doctors are running low in almost every city - not to mention that the military itself has soaring coronavirus cases it can't handle.

You gotta know some rich Jewish corporate billionaire was behind that crap and Kushner was just the conduit to get Trump to agree to it - probably in exchange for a big donation to Trump's campaign.

If there was ever a country that deserved to be on the end of a US bombing campaign - it's Israel - a racist, fanatical. colonialist, fascist, illegal terrorist state. Zionists - the biggest scumbags on the planet. But instead the US bombs everyone else Israel doesn't like.

But cheer up. Israel is a doomed nation. There is no way they can continue their path forever, historically speaking. I suspect they won't exist within another fifty years. They'll either be annihilated by their own nuclear weapons, or transformed into a bi-national state that is no longer primarily Jewish. And I don't particularly care which.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 8 2020 10:13 utc | 12

It all makes sense once you realize Israel maintains excellent relations with China. We can't have yellow people making Sugar Daddy Sam look bad eh?

Posted by: JW | Apr 8 2020 10:17 utc | 13

Wait for the solution to coronavirus go mainstream. And who is the leading player in this - Bill Gates, who resigned from both the board positions he has been occupying - Berkshire Hathaway and Microsoft - just before the outbreak started to mainstream. He has been the one pushing for compulsory vaccination, immunity certificates etc. After resigning from the boards of those two companies, he can now focus on his health projects and also he would have gotten a chance to sell his stocks without having to report them. And of course, the barflies know that he was also involved in the simulation of a global pandemic due to a coronavirus infection, in Oct 2019.

Wait and see what this guy does. He is the spear point of the new governance and money making schemes set to flow from the cure for the virus.

Posted by: ancientarcher | Apr 8 2020 10:38 utc | 14

Is the federal gov't going to reimburse the states for the supplies they bought that the feds are simply stealing and re-routing?

Looks like the federal gov't under Trump is not only picking favorites, but making an attempt to bankrupt certain states.

Posted by: teri | Apr 8 2020 11:25 utc | 15

Trump Derangement Syndrome turns 'resistance' bots into Jim Crow era states rights advocates when that aids 'orange man bad', then into reactionary advocates of militarized federal power when that's expedient, and allows them to to believe nobody notices the contradictions. What a stupid, corrupt, useless 'opposition'.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 8 2020 12:31 utc | 16

The U.S. government’s efforts to clean up Cold War-era waste from nuclear research and bomb making at federal sites around the country has lumbered along for decades, often at a pace that watchdogs and other critics say threatens public health and the environment.

Now, fallout from the global coronavirus pandemic is resulting in more challenges as the nation’s only underground repository for nuclear waste finished ramping down operations Wednesday to keep workers safe.

Over more than 20 years, tons of waste have been stashed deep in the salt caverns that make up the southern New Mexico site. Until recently, several shipments a week of special boxes and barrels packed with lab coats, rubber gloves, tools and debris contaminated with plutonium and other radioactive elements were being trucked to the remote facility from South Carolina, Idaho and other spots.

That’s all but grinding to a halt.

Shipments to the desert outpost will be limited for the foreseeable future while work at the country’s national laboratories and defense sites shift to only those operations considered “mission critical.”

Officials at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant warned state regulators in a letter Tuesday that more time would be needed for inspections and audits and that work would be curtailed or shifts would be staggered to ensure workers keep their distance from one another.

Posted by: Mao | Apr 8 2020 12:41 utc | 17

25,000 N95 respiratory masks,..
That Mossad is boasting about acquiring 25,000 N-95 masks tells you all you need to know about Mossad. They're a piss awful organization, no self-respecting spy organization would get out of bed in the morning for anything less than 1,000,000 n-95 masks.

BTW, the Al Quds Post (aka Jerusalem Post to Zionists) has changed the headline on that article to "Israel brings 1 million masks from China for IDF soldiers" Looks like the "New York Purchasing and Logistics Division" is part of the Israeli Ministry Of War All The Time. So the original was a nice story but fake news. Since there was no correction attached to the new version, it could be that Washington/Tel Aviv reckoned that this was a step to far even for Trump and the new version is the fake news.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 8 2020 12:41 utc | 18

Some f#@$ing friends we've got there, right?

Posted by: Joshua | Apr 8 2020 12:43 utc | 19

- This news simply confirms again that the US, under Trump, has become more corrupt. But this is a development that already started years, decades ago before Trump became president.

Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 8 2020 12:45 utc | 20

- In chinese the character for "Crisis" also means "Opportunity".

Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 8 2020 12:53 utc | 21

Willy2 @20

I think the possibility should be considered that Trump just made preexisting corruption more visible rather than adding significantly to it. There are elaborate protocols and circuitous speech that professional politicians learn to use to obfuscate the corruption and make their own participation in that corruption seem not only acceptable but necessary or even in the public interest. Trump is either ignorant of these protocols or he just doesn't care.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 8 2020 13:00 utc | 22

This is not surprising at all. Israel's economy is completely dependent on American constant aid:

All is not what it seems: Israeli economy's relative success based on massive direct aid from the US and donations from the Jewish diaspora

Even with all this help (of which most go to the military sector), the Isreali economy can barely keep itself afloat:

[...] inequality of income and wealth is huge in Israel, the second worst in the 36 nation OECD group. The relative poverty rate for Haredim and Arabs (25% of the population) is near 50%, and even for other Israelis, it is higher than the OECD average. The gap in median wage levels from skilled to unskilled; from Haredim/Arabs to others is huge - and yet the former will constitute 50% of the population by 2060.

And this mask fiasco is the lesser problem for the American working class right now. A significant portion of its people is going hungry. That magic USD 1,200 check is not coming soon:

"the checks are not in the mail."

And the problem isn't just in the USA. The periphery of Western Civilization is also going to suffer:

Germany and France: the sharpest contractions in national output for 75 years.

Germany’s economy will shrink almost 10 per cent in the three months to June, according to the country’s top economic research institutes, the sharpest decline since quarterly national accounts began in 1970 and double the size of the biggest drop in the 2008 financial crisis.

The shutdown of vast swaths of economic activity to contain the spread of the pandemic is knocking 1.5 percentage points off French growth for every two weeks that it continues, the Banque de France warned on Wednesday.

After more than three weeks in lockdown, French economic output is expected to have fallen by the sharpest rate since the second world war, the central bank said, forecasting that gross domestic product contracted 6 per cent in the first three months of the year.

Posted by: vk | Apr 8 2020 13:26 utc | 23

Oops, wrong config on my last post. Here's the link to "the checks are not in the mail."

Posted by: vk | Apr 8 2020 13:28 utc | 24

On the subject of who does our government serve:

Fauci had previously supported the use of Hydroquinone for similar virus. What changed?

However, to the matter of Israel and the virus:
I thought they were having strangely little impact from virus.

Anyway, this is all very revealing.

You know how people always question:
Why did that woman remain in that abusive relationship?

Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2020 13:41 utc | 25

This seems as good a place as any to compile a list of grievences. In the USA politicians get to sign a pledge of allegiance to isreal as they accept the dirty money. What's count of dual citizens in congress? When the going gets tough, US cargo planes crank up the deliveries of ordinance buffet style: all the ammo you care to shoot. Add to that the newly installed tripwire force of USA soldiers, specially imported so they can fight to the last American for greater yinon whatever the fhaak. Oh and what about those theoretical nukes? What might they be cooking up in Dimona? Now I dont wanna beat the pony black and blue, but Urban Moving Systems was just the tip of the iceberg.....5 dancing isrealis?

So a few masks? Since their most useful purpose is preventing exhaled contagions just make your own. According to certain religious text, their lives are far more valuable so the goyim can spare a million+ masks for sure! At this rate the host will be dry much sooner than expected.

Posted by: Chevrus | Apr 8 2020 13:48 utc | 26

The world is in lockdown for a month, but Gaza has been in isolation on lockdown for 13 years with a humanitarian blockade on top of that all comprising collective punishment which is a crime against humanity.

Check out the Gaza lockdown meme.

dear world

And while you're at it check out the trailers at Mondoweiss for 5 eye-opening films on Palestine that Weiss suggests you should watch while social distancing.

5 movies on Palestine

Palestinians have been walled in and blockaded into lockdown and forced to submit to a parasitic scourge that has been decimating them for decades.

And for anyone who thought Gantz was somehow for change, let me wise you up; Gantz is joining with NuttYahoo to support the Annexation of the West Bank.

After over a year of back and forth, and multiple stalemates, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Kahol Lavan Chairman Benny Gantz have finally come to an agreement, paving the way for the establishment of a Likud-Kahol Lavan unity government. Their first order of business? Annexing the West Bank.

Coronavirus gift gantz netanyahu annexation

Threat of dying from Coronavirus? Who cares.
Why don't we all just lay down and die as a species for letting all this happen in perpetuity with our eyes wide open?

I see celebrities like Bruce Willis and family celebrating their lockdown in green striped pajamas while people die and I want to puke at how the entitled turn everything into a frivolous exercise to entertain themselves amounting to a pile of Look at me; I'm so original--nothing.

Useless human race.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2020 14:09 utc | 27

"US Department of Defense give 1 million masks to IDF for coronavirus use"


Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Apr 8 2020 14:18 utc | 28

In Vanuatu, an island in the Pacific, there used to be a "Cargo cult" (dating from WWII). The Locals had seen the Americans troops stationed there getting massive supplies, with no effort. The "cargo" arrived by air. So they set up "airfields" - flat areas outlined by stones with model "airplanes" on them, to entice real aircraft to land and give them the goodies they saw being given to others.
There must have been a Cargo cult spin off in Israel as finally "Cargo i come" (it has arrived. whoopee).

PS. I don't know whether they were only dressed in assgrass and walked on fire as the Vanuatuans did ?
PPS. The french aircraft Carrier "Charles de Gaulle" has also now got coronacases, like the US carriers. Maybe the Navies of the world are running Cruise lines on the side?

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 8 2020 14:20 utc | 29

Get everyone you know to read "Against Our Better Judgment" by Alison Weir. Absolutely the best short, supereasy read to open eyes of those who are unaware that they are unaware, I promise. If you can afford to, buy copies to give away.

Posted by: Phryne's frock | Apr 8 2020 14:23 utc | 30

Very brief, "b", but one of your best posts. This is an unmitigated outrage. The arrogance of the ruling class knows no bounds, and they are acting with impunity. Seems the ruling class doesn't even care anymore how widely known it is that the US has little sovereignty.

Posted by: red1chief | Apr 8 2020 14:34 utc | 31

a good amount of us figured out a long time ago that the capital of the USA moved to Tel Aviv a long time ago unfortunately. They run our government

Posted by: DannyC | Apr 8 2020 14:36 utc | 32

"It's going to be a long time going"
(Crosby, Stills, &Nash).

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Apr 8 2020 14:38 utc | 33

Is Trump charging for the masks or are they an added bonus to the 4 billion Israel already gets annually?

In 2018 Trump cut all aid to UNRWA destined for Palestine.

Screw Trump. Palestinians have started producing their own masks; up to 50,000 per day as well as protective gowns.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2020 14:41 utc | 34

@jared #26
I don't consider anything coming out of ZH to be credible until verified.
Fauci has been very consistent: he is cautious about whether hydroxychloroquinine is a efficacious treatment for nCOV/COVID-19.
Note there are multiple levels of potential use:
1) The drug doesn't hurt/kill you. At normal levels, HCH passes this test but the levels it has been used at to treat nCOV - they're much higher than existing anti-malaria/malaria preventative/rheumatoid arthritis use.
At these higher levels, it isn't clear how safe HCH is - particularly for really old people who are the primary nCOV at risk group.
2) Does the drug decrease negative outcomes? i.e. maybe it doesn't cure (which it shouldn't) but it makes it less likely that nCOV infected get pneumonia or worse. This would be fantastic but it is 100% unproven.
3) Does the drug cure? By itself or with other things like the antibiotic azithromycin? There have been studies saying yes - but I look at a couple - and they're frankly poor studies. To me, it is very unclear.

Hydroxychloroquinine/chloroquinine phosphate shows promise as a way to treat nCOV in its early stages, but this is so far completely unverified. Nor do we know what the optimal dosage might be to balance between known risks and side effects induced by HCH use vs. optimal nCOV impact.

I've gotten a prescription sufficient for a couple of courses, but am not taking it as a preventative (nor is there any proof it actually works this way).

Lots of people taking HCH as a preventative when it doesn't work or as treatment when dosages/outcomes aren't known *will* increase the likelihood that nCOV will evolve resistance against it, so it isn't like side effects are the only bad outcome to uninformed use.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 14:44 utc | 35

My daughter who is a hospital worker showed me her mask, made by her sister. And b has posted previously directions for making masks. The advantage is you can throw them in the washing machine to clean, or even hand wash as they are small items. The masks in question here,surgical ones, being only meant to protect the patient from the practitioner, seem somewhat flawed in any case. Better to make better ones; let the Israelis have those not so good ones. A great gift from a family member to their hardworking sibling.

There ought to be an industrial production plant producing the cloth masks with disposable inserts - how about taking over a diaper factory - a lot of folk still use the cloth ones - have such been totally outsourced? (I'd make 'em deluxe, organic cotton only! But for us home bodies, an old sheet well washed, suitably patterned is better than nothing at all.)

Posted by: juliania | Apr 8 2020 15:04 utc | 36

The Trump regime's goal is only ever to enrich themselves through the Presidency. Reportedly, Kushner's National Stockpile has been, uh, stockpiling Hydroxychloroquine as the President has been snake-oiling it. As the USA is become completely privatized it is not hard to arrange government contracts to middle-man the stockpile to its needy 'customers.'

And I can't believe all the raging antisemites here. Surely the Israelis have procured all those masks to help out those poor Palestinians for whom they care so deeply.

Finally; can we see the endgame? Whip up a worse-case scenario of fear mongering that our leaders miraculously save us from, yet institute a 'new normal' ripped from the pages of Orwell to protect us from the 'next time' which they promise is a matter of when not if.

Posted by: gottlieb | Apr 8 2020 15:04 utc | 37

Just heard on the radio (Democracy Now) that Ecuador is having a terrible time with this Covid and is completely unprepared. Dead laying in streets wrapped in tarps and plastic.
Once again thanks to a US installed Government in a coup. BTW, this "government" just gave former president an 8 year prison sentence in absentia.
Nice, some woman holding a huge bible in the air and declaring herself president. Disgusting the depths.

Posted by: arby | Apr 8 2020 15:34 utc | 39

@38 - Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine are not sufficient by themselves for treating COVID-19. CQ and HCQ create a pathway for zinc ions to get inside the cells to disrupt the coronavirus replication. It's the zinc that actually is the medicine. See this study for details -

Posted by: Don Wills | Apr 8 2020 15:37 utc | 40

It appears that numbers have changed. My response was to c1ue a few comments back.

Posted by: Don Wills | Apr 8 2020 15:39 utc | 41

@Don Wills #41
The study you point at is in-vitro only - i.e. the same as HCH studies showing inhibition in vitro.
There is no mention whatsoever about Zinc being how HCH works in the study you note, nor anywhere else that I've seen.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 15:51 utc | 42

Just spotted this

"Anyone on Department of Defense property, installations or facilities must wear a cloth face covering when they cannot maintain 6 feet of social distance in public area or work centers, according to a new directive released Sunday afternoon.

Defense Secretary Mark Esper had said the guidance was coming in an appearance on ABC's "This Week" Sunday morning. "

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 8 2020 15:54 utc | 43

This is just ripped from a ZH article that in turn refers to an ABC article on it but their link doesn't work for me, hence the ZH link. This is the heart of it, if true it is pretty damming on all our Governments, probably especially the Five Eyes. They really did know what the Chinese were being hit with last year in early Jan at the latest. Trump really is talking out of his arse.

A November intelligence report by the National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) outlined concerns over what is now known as the COVID-19 pandemic - warning that it could be a "cataclysmic event," according to ABC News, citing two officials familiar with the document's contents. "It was then briefed multiple times to" the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff and the White House."

"The timeline of the intel side of this may be further back than we’re discussing," said one of ABC's sources. "But this was definitely being briefed beginning at the end of November as something the military needed to take a posture on."

The report was the result of analysis of wire and computer intercepts, coupled with satellite images. It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia -- forces that depend on the NCMI’s work. And it paints a picture of an American government that could have ramped up mitigation and containment efforts far earlier to prepare for a crisis poised to come home. -ABC News

And right as House Democrats hit peak TDS in December - approving impeachment articles against Trump over his request that Ukraine investigate what appeared to be textbook corruption by Joe Biden and his son Hunter, US intelligence gave repeated briefings to officials across the federal government, along with the the National Security Council at the White House - where whistleblower Eric Ciaramella worked. Perhaps if the NSC and the Democrats hadn't been distracted with a partisan boondoggle to remove Trump, measures could have been taken earlier to better prepare America from the emerging threat.

All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President’s Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations. -ABC News

Recall that House Democrats finally delivered formal articles of impeachment against Trump to the Senate on January 15, right after the coronavirus made it to Trump's daily briefing.

According to the report, the NCMI intelligence was made widely available to government officials authorized to access intelligence community alerts - while other bulletins concerning the virus began circulating through confidential channels around Thanksgiving which suggested that Beijing knew the coronavirus was out of control as the CCP were engaged in a cover-up of its severity.

"It would be a significant alarm that would have been set off by this," NCMI report, said former Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary and senior CIA official Mick Mulroy - an ABC News contributor. "And it would have been something that would be followed up by literally every intelligence-collection agency."

"Medical intelligence takes into account all source information -- imagery intelligence, human intelligence, signals intelligence," he added. "Then there’s analysis by people who know those specific areas. So for something like this to have come out, it has been reviewed by experts in the field. They’re taking together what those pieces of information mean and then looking at the potential for an international health crisis."

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 8 2020 16:05 utc | 44

The title of the NIH study I refered to is

"Zn(2+) Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity in Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture"

which by itself refutes c1ue's argument that the study is in vitro only. FYI, CQ and HCQ are zinc ionophores.

I recommend readers please do you own research to prove to yourselves that zinc is a key ingredient in a treatment (not a cure, a treatment) for COVID-19.

Most people have some amount zinc ions running around in their body. My doctor recommends that if I get COVID-19 I should take HCQ and also supplement my intake of zinc up to 50mg per day (about 2 1/2 times the amount in a typical multi-vitamin). (FWIW, zinc sulphate was still available last week on Amazon.)

Posted by: Don Wills | Apr 8 2020 16:18 utc | 45

Article linked says FED (FEMA etc) are re-routing orders based on evaluated need.
The articles complains (understandably) that this is frustrating to purchasers awaiting supplies.

Article is surprisingly balanced.

Raises the question: How much of what we see on the internet as corona virus news is distorted for effect. And how much harm is this causing.

Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2020 16:26 utc | 46

JohninMK @ 45

The existence of the National Center for Medical Intelligence report is most likely pure bullshit. If case 1 was identified on December 1st, there'd be no SIGINT in November to support it since it hadn't appeared in November. This is probably somebody making up stuff to support the China-is-fully-responsible push by Trump to cover up his own failures and incompetence

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 8 2020 16:31 utc | 47

Willy2 | Apr 8 2020 12:45 utc | 20

危机 = Crisis, weiji
机会 = opportunity, jihui
危 = critical, wei, (1st tone)
机 = machine, ji, (1st tone)
机 = meeting, hui, (2nd tone)

Posted by: foolisholdman | Apr 8 2020 16:49 utc | 48

@Don Wills
You do understand that cell culture *is* in-vitro, right?

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 16:50 utc | 49

Willy2 | Apr 8 2020 12:45 utc | 20

危机 = Crisis, weiji
机会 = opportunity, jihui
危 = critical, wei, (1st tone)
机 = machine, ji, (1st tone)
会 = meeting, hui, (2nd tone)
Posted by: foolisholdman | Apr 8 2020 16:49 utc | 49
Apologies for typo in previous post

Posted by: foolisholdman | Apr 8 2020 16:51 utc | 50

@45 Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 8 2020 16:05 utc | 45

If I comprehend, the issue was that they knew there was a problem in November rather than December.
Not sure the point really, we are awash in examples of U.S. government incompetence - look up incompetence on Wikipedia has Pompous' photo (OK but it should).

- the government is slow to respond
- the government is bad at planning
- the government is around 1 million people all pulling in different directions
- it is only when problem is obvious and damaging that the government gets somewhat focused
- the virus is invisible
- the extent of damage was uncertain

I think at this point it has their attention.

Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2020 16:58 utc | 51

Hello all. Long time reader, first time commenter. I've always been impressed with the thoughtful, articulate information I have read here. Thank you all for that. With all the rumors, disinfo, and speculation swirling around I have a few questions I am hoping some of the informed commenters can help me with. Since we are dealing with a virus, my understanding is they mutate. Therefore it is impossible to create a vaccine for a virus. Am I incorrect? I also have read there is no test available for C19 specifically. Just a general test for corona viruses in general. Is that true? Lastly, I have read upwards of 80% of people tested have no symptoms. Does this mean immune? And as for my view? I see corporate owned government and corporate owned media both whipping up hysteria. My first thought is...what are they up to now? Thanks in advance for any answers and best wishes and health to all at the bar.

Posted by: Scott from Chitown | Apr 8 2020 17:11 utc | 52

All those masks for the Israelis - really shows where US priorities lie, and who is really in charge of the USA.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 8 2020 17:51 utc | 53

This is pretty outrageous. I am having a hard time getting to upset about it, it is real work to maintain outrage all the time, especially when one is completely without options to do anything about it.

Interesting post at cluborlov today, I would recommend reading it. We are a service economy, and without people having disposable income, that economy wont exist. It would seem a chain of events has begun, not sure how to stop it.

Yesterday an analogy, or maybe it is a simile, difficult to properly distinguish between those two things. The US is like a medieval warrior in plate mail armor, weary and worn out, kept moving by inertia only, still capable of immense destruction. But now that she has fallen down, I don't think she has the strength to stand up again. Time will tell.

I noticed this morning that all the grass turned green, literally overnight! Yesterday, patches of green here and there, then a little rain and warm weather, and Bam! I am going to have to mow the grass this weekend. I am finally going to be able to plant outside all my flowers I brought into the house to overwinter. Gonna start planning my garden for this year as well. I think the good weather is here to stay.

ps I quit reading zero hedge a long time ago, a cesspool smells better. I literally would not believe anything I read there.

Posted by: David F | Apr 8 2020 17:52 utc | 54

Addressing Scott's questions though not all - perhaps others can fill in.
I don't think anyone has produced a vaccine for the common cold, a virus-based illness not so different from Covid-19. I don't know if this is because it is impossible or because the common cold is usually too minor to bother about, despite the fact that for elderly or immune-compromised individuals it can be fatal. I think effective treatments may be found and may even already exist but it is possible that a vaccine may not be developed.
I am not sure they have a specific test for Covid-19 - merely for corona viruses, many of which produce colds and are much less virulent than Covid-19.
It appears you can be an asymptomatic transmitter of Covid-19. This explains lockdowns. Supposedly if you catch it you become immune, but it is far from clear, and even if you do it may not last - immunity from flu for example only lasts for a few weeks after you recover from it and there are many strains of flu.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 8 2020 18:03 utc | 55

There isn't an effective vaccine for the common cold because it is literally changing all the time. There are multiple different viruses in question, each of which mutates fairly frequently.
The people who make the vaccines make an educated guess every year as to which becomes the "winner" in the annual winter flu season, but even when they guess right, all the vaccine does is reduce mortality and duration of illness.
If we could get an nCOV vaccine that reduced mortality and duration of illness, that would be a big win.
New York just passed both Italy and Spain today in mortality per 10M: 3224 vs. 2908 and 3161 mortality per 10M.
New Jersey and Louisiana are both in the 1000 handle per 10M as well.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 18:51 utc | 56


"Nice, some woman holding a huge bible in the air and declaring herself president. Disgusting the depths."

What is really sick is that this comment refers to the other US/Musk coup the lithium mining coup in Bolivia!

The US policy in South Amarica is to rape countries for resources for the rich elite and protect the Columbian drug trade to ensure the US masses get enough drugs to keep them addled.

Posted by: Krollchem | Apr 8 2020 19:00 utc | 57

Thank you Waldorf and c1ue for your replies. You both confirmed my understanding of viruses mutating so vaccines are a chimera. I see no matter how fast a vaccine is produced by the time it's used the virus has mutated so the vaccine is useless. Or I suppose we rely on a "best guess" vaccine. How does one guess how a virus randomly mutates? Do we honestly trust Bill Gates and his dreams for us? Do you want to be injected with a "best guess"? Do we know what is actually being injected? Didn't Smiling Bill refuse to have his own kids vaccinated? Personally, I for one prefer to politely decline his needle. I'm 60. And I learned long ago to never trust advice given to you by someone with an agenda who stands to profit by your taking his advice. And this whole C19 thingee is rife with those kinds of people.From Fausti to Blix to Gates and all the rest. Folks...I fear we are being played for chumps. They drum up hysteria and loot trillions while we go in search of toilet paper. God help us.

Posted by: Scott from Chitown | Apr 8 2020 19:29 utc | 58


Posted by: Keith McClary | Apr 8 2020 20:06 utc | 59

Dreaded uptick worldwide of dead spiritual leaders

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 8 2020 20:11 utc | 60

The great white hope and his front goy family making america great. Most neo-confederates in bible thumping states could care less. This is what grifters mean by winning. Of course, It's all China's. fault How Chump is making money touting hydroxychloroquine.

Posted by: Sol Invictus | Apr 8 2020 20:34 utc | 61

Scott fm Chitown @ 53:

The term "virus" is a generic term to describe a virtual universe of micro-organisms that have one thing in common: they are much smaller than bacteria. This means that some groups of viruses are as different from one another as plants, animals and fungi are different from one another. Some viruses may have DNA and other viruses don't and must rely on the DNA of their host organism to replicate themselves.

If all viruses mutated in the way common cold and influenza viruses do, we would not have vaccines for diseases like smallpox and measles and these diseases would be claiming thousands if not millions of lives throughout the world in the way malaria and dengue fever still do in the tropics. Some viruses mutate so slowly that vaccines against them can indeed confer virtual life-long immunity.

If 80% of people tested for COVID-19 have negative results, that means they have not come in contact with it. The test is to find if their blood contains antibodies to the virus, indicating exposure to it.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 8 2020 20:40 utc | 62

CCD DSU numbers for April 8, 2020

New York has blown past Spain and Italy for nCOV mortality per 10M population: 3224 vs. 3163 vs. 2906

Belgium and France continue to expand: 1965 and 1669

Netherlands and UK are also increasing: 1322 and 1084

US and Germany as well: 436 and 268. US numbers without New York: 260

New York continues to worsen - well past Italy and Spain although the overall rate seems to be "flattening" finally:
NY vs. Italy and Spain

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 20:40 utc | 63

@ Krollchem | Apr 8 2020 19:00 utc | 58

"The US policy in South Amarica is to rape countries for resources for the rich elite and protect the Columbian drug trade to ensure the US masses get enough drugs to keep them addled."

The main reason that the US wants to control the drug production and trade in Colombia is to make sure that when they launder all that cash, that they do it through Wall Street equity houses, and not somewhere else, in some other country.

A United Nations report issued several years ago stated unequivocally that Wall Street would collapse if it weren't for all those billions in drug money flowing through.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Apr 8 2020 20:43 utc | 64

@ JohninMK 44

That story about US intelligence knowing about COVID in November is bogus. The purpose of the story is to say that China knew about it in November -- and that US intelligence discovered their knowing about it.

The claim is patently false because the first time that China, through lab testing, actually discovered that there was a novel coronavirus was December 31st. US intelligence cannot hack information from China that never existed. (Unless they planted the virus in the first place.)

This story being propagated is to lay another fake foundation to say there was a Chinese 'cover up.' Don't fall for this nonsense.

Posted by: occupatio | Apr 8 2020 20:50 utc | 65

@Scott from Chitown #59
The answer isn't black or white.
Normal flu/seasonal cold mutate around 6-8 times per month - that I've read. nCOV appears to mutate a lot less than that - and the NextStrain folks are saying there is no measurable difference between the different strains in terms of transmissibility or deadliness - at least so far.

So it seems if a vaccine can be developed, it probably will work better than the annual flu shots.

The second part is that the vaccine doesn't need to "prevent" in order to be beneficial.

German and French studies are saying that it takes about 1 week after symptoms show, for antibodies to start showing up in the bloodstream - and no more than 2 weeks. This is a measure of the existing immune system response to nCOV.

If this is true, then a vaccine which shortens the response time would almost certainly make nCOV infection much less dangerous. Right now, it seems very possible that someone who gets nCOV, has a slow response and got a large viral load up front is very possibly going to have a very severe nCOV problem before his/her immune system kicks in.

A vaccine which cuts this response time in half would then be a big deal even if it doesn't "immunize" against nCOV. It would mean there is no more need to lockdowns etc if vaccinated people don't die 0.1% to 10% of the time.

The problem is a vaccine has to be tested and manufactured. Creating a vaccine is very well understood - you can take an existing nCOV virus and irradiate it to make it unviable. This works by scrambling the underlying RNA genetic code without damaging the virus' outside protein coat too much. There is an inherent problem in obtaining enough nCOV virus in quantity, but the process is very well understood. This method isn't great for mass vaccination, however, because of the supply issue. Improper weakening of the virus means some of the people vaccinated using this type of vaccine will get the disease. The Salk polio vaccines, for example, are weakend virus.

Most modern vaccines create a protein subset of the virus in question - just enough to stimulate the immune system to recognize and react but simple enough that it can be manufactured in huge quantities easily. Testing that this protein shell a) works and b) doesn't cause other problems is what takes a long time.

There are other methods which don't translate into mass medical practice either. You can take blood from someone who has recovered from nCOV, filter out the cells, etc so you wind up just with the plasma (and antibodies) and transfuse. This will work as well - but again, doesn't scale at all.

Another method is a similar virus that isn't dangerous. Cowpox, for example, isn't dangerous to people but primes the human immune system against smallpox. Before cowpox was discovered and commercialized, doctors used to give "weakened" smallpox to people. It would kill 2% to 5% of the subjects but the rest would be immune.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 20:57 utc | 66

Note above the "weakened" smallpox was in no way weak. It was the real deal, just in a small enough viral load that it was less likely to kill.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 20:59 utc | 67

"On March 17, Kristian Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute in California and his team showed that the new coronavirus strain, SARS-CoV-2, had a mutation in its genes known as a polybasic cleavage site that was unseen in any coronaviruses found in bats or pangolins and that there is a likelihood that the virus came to humans many years ago, and indeed not necessarily in Wuhan."

A lot of anecdotal evidence that people in general were experiencing very severe colds over past years. Personally, I had very bad experiences in early 2017 and late 2018, which involved tremendous mucous generation unlike anything I had experienced before.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 8 2020 21:04 utc | 68

c1ue #36

Has it ever ocurred to you that the Chinese and Cuban doctors know very well how effective HCH is?
Your blanket dismissal of any knowledge is tragically ill informed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 8 2020 21:21 utc | 69

Don Wills #46

Are you well paid for these bezos advertisements.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 8 2020 21:26 utc | 70

It is time for "Jack Reacher" to get into action to clear up the mess in District of Criminals.

Captain Brett Crozier is a top navy man. Caring for ship and crew. Not in war, which is true, his crew has to be saved.
And being the right Captain with the right naval attituteds: save your crew who is under Coronavirus attack.
He did!

Well done, Captain Crozier! I would volunteer to sail only with a ship under your command. Very trustworthy and professional
You should be recommended for The Medal of Honor.

Posted by: Blackeyes | Apr 8 2020 22:09 utc | 71

With all the endless hand-wringing regarding ventilators, this article deserves much more attention:

With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19

Even as hospitals and governors raise the alarm about a shortage of ventilators, some critical care physicians are questioning the widespread use of the breathing machines for Covid-19 patients, saying that large numbers of patients could instead be treated with less intensive respiratory support.

If the iconoclasts are right, putting coronavirus patients on ventilators could be of little benefit to many and even harmful to some.

What’s driving this reassessment is a baffling observation about Covid-19: Many patients have blood oxygen levels so low they should be dead. But they’re not gasping for air, their hearts aren’t racing, and their brains show no signs of blinking off from lack of oxygen.

The more I read about ventilators, the more sure I am that I do not want one if I get sick from the evil virus.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Apr 8 2020 22:20 utc | 72

Jen and c1ue. Thank you both for your detailed and informed replies. I think I have a better grasp now. But Jen, when I mentioned up to 80% of people tested I worded my thought very poorly. I apologize. What I meant to say was up tp 80% tested positive but were asymptomatic. Would this be because the test shows positive for any coronavirus, including a simple cold? Or does it perhaps indicate immunity to some extent. Or maybe a healthy person with strong immune system is at little risk. I ask because I'm always right now I have lots of time on my hands. I detest TV so I read, research and ponder. I've been like that my whole life. It's just all the extra time I have now. I don't mean to be a pest about things, but my wife of 38 years will disagree and claim I can be a royal pain until I figure out what I'm looking into. Thanks again to both of you. I've read comments here for years. Never opened my mouth. Now I'm glad I did.

Posted by: Scott from Chitown | Apr 8 2020 22:40 utc | 73

thanks b... it seems like non elected people like jared kushner and others high up in positions of power are in servitude to israel.. is this because jared is practicing judaism? or is it straight out zionism? i can't really tell the difference here, but note how an unelected person is in a position of power in a supposedly democratic country.... of course people with financial power be they bill gates, or whoever, seem to have undue influence in the halls of power in the usa... funny how it always works out so well for israel - another bastion of so called democracy! i better add snark to all of this if it isn't already obvious..

@ 74 scott from chitown... quote " Would this be because the test shows positive for any coronavirus, including a simple cold? Or does it perhaps indicate immunity to some extent." good questions... i believe there was a video from a doctor a week or two ago here at moa that seemed to suggest something like yes to your first question.. i am not sure how effective the testing is... its an open question...

Posted by: james | Apr 8 2020 22:56 utc | 76

@uncle tungsten #71
You said

Has it ever ocurred to you that the Chinese and Cuban doctors know very well how effective HCH is?
Your blanket dismissal of any knowledge is tragically ill informed

So you're trying to tell me that Cuban and Chinese doctors know exactly how HCH will affect the nCOV virus?
If so, that's 100% bullshit. Nobody knows yet.
Maybe you're trying to tell me that Chinese doctors know all about HCH because it is a common drug in China?
No, China isn't a major malarial region. There is one that's very slightly so, but there aren't a lot of people living in that region, relatively speaking.
And Cuba? They don't have malaria at all.
If you argued Zimbabwean or Nigerian doctors, ok.
So sorry, fail.
Or are you going to now argue that Chinese doctors use a lot of HCH for rheumatoid arthritis treatment?

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 22:58 utc | 77

@Scott from Chitown #74
First of all, there are multiple data points concerning the ratio of symptomatic to asymptomatic nCOV infections.
The Diamond Princess is the first: every passenger was tested for nCOV and 45% showed nCOV infection but had no symptoms. The group has been followed for a long time, so the results seem pretty robust.
The other is a single Italian town where every person was supposedly tested. That one is a lot less robust because it is shorter term, also it isn't clear if they looked at the people who died or not (as opposed to all the living people), were moved to hospitals elsewhere (the town doesn't have a hospital. Where did all the really sick people go?).
As for why asymptomatic: again, research will tell. But the French and German detailed studies show that different people have different immune system responses to an initial nCOV infection. Someone whose immune system responds quickly and strongly - may never get to the symptomatic stage (fever, aches and pains, respiratory tract mucus and other symptoms etc).
But then again, maybe someone - even with a strong immune system - gets a double shot of nCOV virus via a coughed or sneezed droplet.
Maybe there are secondary factors: more men in China died than women - the only difference seems to be smoking (60% of Chinese men smoke, 3% of Chinese women do) but the male/female skew held up in Italy where smoking is much more democratic.
Short answer: we don't know yet why significant numbers of people don't become symptomatic even after catching nCOV. It does seem likely that pulmonary condition matters; the fact that people under 19 basically don't get anything from nCOV is pretty significant.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 8 2020 23:07 utc | 78

Posted by: jayc | Apr 8 2020 21:04 utc | 69 Personally, I had very bad experiences in early 2017 and late 2018, which involved tremendous mucous generation unlike anything I had experienced before.

I would say that's probably not this virus.

I had a similar experience but way back in 2006. I was ill for *six weeks*, literally vomiting up mucous all day and night every little while. Could not get any sleep until I literally *had* to sleep - and the instant I woke up, after sleeping maybe an hour, the mucous would flood my throat and I'd have to get up and throw it up. I had so much mucous I could barely breath. I went to San Francisco General and they told me as long as I could wheeze, I wouldn't die. That wasn't comforting. My throat ached for two months after it went away from all the hacking up of mucous. The only thing that helped - slightly - was steaming with a small steamer appliance I bought. I also took an over the counter pill that supposedly was to make dealing with mucous easier - I think it just tries to make it more runny, which really doesn't help much.

It concerns me because I don't know if that 2006 experience damaged my lungs, which might make getting the current virus even more dangerous for me. I've never had my lungs examined since that experience.

So that sort of "ordinary" virus does happen. It might have been some other coronavirus strain - but not the current one.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 8 2020 23:14 utc | 79

Why can't it just be the US and Israel getting this coronavirus?
They deserve it.

Posted by: Jimsy | Apr 8 2020 23:26 utc | 80

Scott fm Chitown @ 74:

OK, if 80% of people who test positive for the COVID-19 virus show no symptoms, that may be because the initial test they had didn't distinguish between the COVID-19 virus and any other coronaviruses. So (in Australia anyway) they need to have a second test done that specifically looks for COVID-19 viral genetic material. If the second test confirms that they do have that coronavirus and not any other coronaviruses, and they still have no symptoms, they may be in a pre-symptomatic stage of the disease (that is, they will have symptoms later) so they may not necessarily be "immune".

Because this COVID-19 virus is still new (hence the description "novel"), we don't as yet know if it might behave like herpes viruses which cause initial reactions (like cold sores or chicken pox) and then lie dormant in the body until a later time when the immune system weakens and then there is another outbreak of cold sores or (in the case of the herpes virus that causes chicken pox) shingles.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 8 2020 23:33 utc | 81

Thank you all for your replies. Yes James, I saw the video. I've also read on Jon Rappaport's blog where he went in depth about the common test used. He compiled an interesting case of fraud pure and simple. Perhaps he's wrong. I don't know. He also asserts there is no test for C19 in and by itself. Jen indicated in Australia they use a second test for C19 alone after an initial positive. If there is such a test why isn't it being utilized? Why use a PCB that simply is unreliable? Why not simply test for C19? I've learned a lot today. That's good. But me being me...every answer causes another question. I have a restless mind plus I'm a little bored. Not a great mix.

Posted by: Scott from Chitown | Apr 9 2020 0:10 utc | 82

jayc @69:

A lot of anecdotal evidence that people in general were experiencing very severe colds over past years.

I also had a severe cold/flu in fall 2017 and fall 2018. Really knocked me out for over a week. And it didn't feel like previous experiences with flu.

I didn't get flu shots those years but I made of point of getting one in 2019 and 2020.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 9 2020 0:29 utc | 83

ut at @71

What are you talking about? CQ, HCQ and zinc sulphate are cheap, off-patent and universally available. You can buy zinc sulphate at any pharmacy or nutrition store -- IF THEY HAVE ANY IN STOCK. My suggestion about Amazon was based my own experience. Besides, why would I go to one or more stores looking to buy zinc WHICH MIGHT CAUSE ME TO GET THE DISEASE from some millenial cashier?

Posted by: Don Wills | Apr 9 2020 0:30 utc | 84

Don Wills @41 @46

I get zinc from sunflower seeds.

Twice-a-day (morning and evening) I have:

  • 1 large glass of tonic water with orange juice;
  • 1 brazil nut (selenium)
  • a handful of sunflower seeds
  • 1 1000mg Vitamin-D

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When one has the virus, this is the theraputic dosing I've found online:

PLAQUENIL (hydroxychloroquine) – 200mg tablet

ZITHROMAX (azithromycin) – 500mg NS 250 mL

VITAMIN-C (ascorbic acid) 1,000mg D5W 100mL IV

ZINCATE (zinc sulfate) 220mg capsule


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 9 2020 0:45 utc | 85

And as an aside. I must admit to a certain amount of C19 fatigue. I'd much prefer to talk kids, grandkids sports, hunting, geo-politics, history...sheeesh, anything. But C19 seems to be the one track everyone is on. That being said, a few observations here in the Windy City. Noone I know is sick. No one. Other than most everyone being home and bored, things are pretty normal. People are out walking, biking spending time together in smaller groups. Cops seem to live and let live. Stores are stocked. No shortages that I've seen. Our favorite Chinese take out is closed. That sucks. Other than that? Nothing. A daughter is in front line health care and she says things are very slow. I'm just waiting to get back to work and resume doing a job I think is fun and fulfilling. Probably very similar to everyone else.

Posted by: Scott from Chitown | Apr 9 2020 0:50 utc | 86

Scott from Chitown

For patients in China to be declared cured, they had to pass two consecutive PCR tests taken a few days apart.
Diagnosing a disease usually involves a number of criteria rather than a simple test. People who test positive but show no or develop no symptoms - possibly a few false positives in that group unless they are tested a number of times.
Another thing in what I read from China was that if a person showed a number of, or grouping of symptoms associated with covid-19 but showed negative on a PCR test, they were still treated as though they had the infection.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2020 0:56 utc | 87

Jackrabbit is 100% spot on with regard to what to take if you get the disease.

Posted by: Don Wills | Apr 9 2020 3:04 utc | 88

Peter AU1 #72 on the open thread

New York, the hardest-hit state in America, on Wednesday reported its highest number of coronavirus-related deaths in a single day with even veteran doctors and nurses expressing shock at the speed with which patients were declining and dying....

...Patients “look fine, feel fine, then you turn around and they’re unresponsive,”...

...So far New York City’s announced death toll has reflected only laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 diagnoses. More than 200 people are dying at home in the city daily during the pandemic, authorities said.

That same story on the speed at which coronovirus patients can take a turn for the worse and then die comes from every center that has been flooded with patients.

I am saddened to think of the vulgar and agonising death that that faces all those at home.

They are likely there because they a/ know their fate, b/ refuse to bankrupt their families because of a hopeless medical system in the USA (and no doubt elsewhere in the world), c/ lack financial means to respond in any way, d/are surrounded by family equally suffering and disempowered to assist.

This is a disgusting homicidal circumstance, like war - it gives visceral meaning to the term 'callous disregard'.

It is a crime against humanity and is galling to hear of it in the richest country on earth.

Assisted death is illegal and yet many sufferers must yearn for an overdose of opioid or heroin.

This is truly sad for our fellow beings.

FU Bernie, I condemn the man most capable to have led the way to a dignified humanitarian response, who instead chose to walk away in humanities hour of high promise, high need and abysmal despair.

Bernie you put party before people in the time of their greatest need.

Bernie you raised their hope, you owed them your allegiance as they gave their allegiance to you.

Bernie, You turned your back.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 9 2020 5:17 utc | 89

scott from chitown @ 83

The antigen tests are specific to a few, usually three, sequence sites of the novel virus. Different labs around the world have engineered tests which target perhaps the same and/or different RNA-sequence sites of the Sars-CoV-2 virus, so the tests detect the presence of only this specific novel virus when they are working properly and administered correctly. Scammer drive-through test sites don’t detect anything other than your credit card.

Scientists have been saying this novel virus appears to be a relatively slow mutator. So unlike the common cold and influenza perhaps there is a better probability for a vaccine that is effective for a longer period of time than a flu vaccine.

Posted by: susan | Apr 9 2020 5:32 utc | 90

Trailer Trash @ 73

My understanding is that currently the UK has a 50% mortality rate of Covid sufferers who've been put on ventilators. They started using CPAP masks several weeks ago according to Dr. John D. Campbell UK. Much less invasive.

Interesting link you share — it mentions acute symptoms are more like altitude sickness, with low 02 but CO2 still being cleared

Posted by: susan | Apr 9 2020 5:35 utc | 91

uncle tungsten

I look at what the US does in the world, its current actions against Venezuela, Iran, what it is doing in Iraq and Syria, its accusations against China - all this is bipartisan, senators congress both sides of the duopoly and the white house all pretty much in unison on these issues. A lot of the elected officials that are behind this crap hold their positions for life voted back in term after term. US is very much a dog eat dog survival of the fittest type world. Winners take everything and the losers are just useless eaters.

Will this cause US people to take to the streets like they did in Vietnam era and call for change.
I don't think so. Blame is being put on China and the majority of peasants will join the lynch mob against China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2020 5:38 utc | 92

Pompazz said at a recent corona task force update, "This is a live exercise" and Trump, standing off to his side, muttered off-mike, "Wish you’d told me about it."

I tried to buy N95 masks in mid January and there were only a few available. I bought one packet of three, leaving two packets remaining. Usually the building supply stores have a huge supply. Was that part of the live exercise?

Posted by: susan | Apr 9 2020 5:53 utc | 93

Peter AU1 #93

Will this cause US people to take to the streets like they did in Vietnam era and call for change.
I don't think so. Blame is being put on China and the majority of peasants will join the lynch mob against China.

I do reckon they will take to the streets. I wont bet they will swallow the China diatribe but the press will report it and the permanent state barrackers will have fresh printed placards blaming China. Then the thugs will be paid to snipe chinaman from rooftops etc (Las Vegas trial run).

Trump will get more and more desperate and he is backed by hardass union busters who have never stopped at anything. Good effective organisers will be assassinated or set up like Joe Hill was.

The USA is the land of perfected mob control either to suppress or to subvert. It wont be nice if it happens on the streets in the traditional manner.

Perhaps it will be effective if it happens in virtual space with occasional flash events. Lots of smart tactics and methodologies were developed in the brief OCCUPY events so I anticipate there will be scaled up repetitions that are designed to never present a target.

People can start by writing the names of their dead friends on billboards like bugaup did once. See www dot bugaup dot org

Maybe even 'Fort Detrick killed my dad' etc.... T shirt, sticker on a parking meter, sticker on a train seat.

Remember: the state kills first then kills again if any questions are asked.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 9 2020 7:27 utc | 94

did president Jared send those masks to israel?

Posted by: brian | Apr 9 2020 8:43 utc | 95

Peter AU1 @ 88

A relative and her husband returned to China recently from UK expecting to go to hotel for 14 days quarantine. Instead another passenger developed symptom on flight so all passengers isolated for testing. Relative and husband tested positive but were asymptomatic (except she lost sense of taste & smell). Now in isolation hospital for minimum of 14 days until given all clear, then they'll spend another minimum of 14 days in quarantine in hotel until cleared again. How many western countries are doing/planning to do this?

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 9 2020 8:47 utc | 96

uncle tungsten | Apr 9 2020 7:27 utc | 95:

Thanks for the laughs @ But I doubt those tactics would work today as most people are now staring down on their iPhones.

Posted by: Ian2 | Apr 9 2020 9:19 utc | 97

Peter AU1 on open thread

How's your head after all that bashing on the brick wall :)) Feeding trolls on the wrong thread is a bad look and they always bite your hand time and again. 😵🦞

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 9 2020 9:57 utc | 98

uncle tungsten

Head's fine. I'm a bit slow at recognising brick walls at times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2020 10:12 utc | 99

From Ireland's Health Minister, Simon Harris:

“In relation to the roadmap, there is going to be a point in this country where we will have to live alongside the virus, for want of a better phrase, where sadly people will still get sick and sadly some people will still die, but it is at a rate that is sustainable for our doctors to manage,” according to Harris.

Taken from:

Posted by: jared | Apr 9 2020 11:29 utc | 100

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