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March 29, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-25

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

  • Mar 25 - Netanyahoo's Corona Coup
    Opposition leader Gantz sold out to Netanyahoo presumably in exchange for a promise that Netanyahoo would leave in 18 month. No one believes that he will keep that promise. Gantz' move has blown up his Blue and White coalition. His excuse is the corona crisis which, he says, requires unity. Israel will have quite a problem with the disease. The ultra-orthodox Haredi do not follow the stay at home orders. The Zionist do not care about Palestinians and forget that the disease will not differentiate. The Health Ministry is held by a corrupt Haredi who lacks the relevant qualifications.

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on March 29, 2020 at 14:37 UTC | Permalink

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@290 ADKC

My problem with Jimmy Dore's rant is that you can't call for a mortgage and rent strike in the middle of a pandemic, i.e. @295 Bob burger's comment.

Let's have some sense of proportion FGS! First, I agree that helping the poor and stopping labour exploitation is right, just and necessary, and I agree that if you're forced off work you should be compensated so you can eat and pay the bills until you get another job or until your job resumes, but the mortgage and rent must eventually be paid by individuals when work is resumed, because if it's not paid, landlords won't be able to pay their bills and people who sacrificed to save will lose their savings when banks go under because other people stop paying their mortgage. If income compensation/replacement was insufficient in relation to work salary then maybe that difference/margin should be compensated for rent and mortgage payments. Again, there must be a just and ethical perspective.

Sanders was right to demand more UI and income coverage, and I'm sorry, but he was right not to hold up the bill, because people needed income right away, not because the media was lambasting him for holding up the bill. It was a damned if you do; damned if you don't situation. That criticism is mean-spirited since right away Bernie has been calling for another income compensation bill.

I'm thoroughly opposed to handouts for Wall Street, but with the exception of people earning slave wages, and the very poor, I'm not for handouts to average folks either except in exceptional circumstances. Handouts should be very temporary because otherwise some people will exploit. I don't like exploitation of any kind cause then it's the worker that pays for it. There should always be balance and perspective for a just system to prevail.

I am for M4A, because like Bernie, I believe healthcare is a human right and I'm against Big Pharma and the Insurance industry exploiting that right, but again, you can't hold up urgently required immediate income replacement to get M4A and UBI when that is a year-long fight in the making. It would be an irresponsible self-defeating act.

It's what what I keep insisting, people have lost all sense of perspective.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 13:03 utc | 301

At the IVReich, better known as the EU, they want us to serve them drinks and buy machine tools, but we are not good enough to send us help (Germany and France refused to sell medical supplies to Italy and Spain), or to share expenses.

Since the introduction of the single currency, the Euro, which is the new Deutsche Mark, each year we are poorer and more dependent and more subordinate than the previous year.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 13:07 utc | 302

@298, 309

Yes, of course, I understand, I have been calling this situation chaotic, disproportionate, wasteful and lacking foresight, and even cruel. However, we must not lose sight of the truth either in trying to defend a more rational, less hysterical, proportional but always humane response to this crisis.

I wrote a more detailed comment on this perspective yesterday, which is not perfect, but I welcome other suggestions.

@297, 299

I agree that the Spanish Government should be urgently soliciting help from ALL countries without bias. They should be recruiting medical staff from less affected regions to more affected ones and even from Cuba as Spain has ties with Cuba.

I believe that since Spanish authorities ordered rapid-testing kits from China and they turned out to be defective giving unreliable results, this may have led to some mistrust and criticism directed by the media and other parties at the present government. So maybe the Spanish government is trying to play it too safe now. However, again, they should take all the help they can get and judge who is best at providing what help. Everyone, be it Russia, Cuba, Germany, and even China and the U.S. have specialized resources/product Spain desperately needs right now. It's just a question of judging who is best at providing what. Each have something they do better than the other that they can deliver. As far as PPE personal protective equipment, just about any of those can provide that especially China. Cuba and Germany medical staff, U.S., Germany and Russia testing and technology. They should all offer assistance right away.

I really, really hope the situation gets under control there! Much help is needed from everyone to help Spain turn their tragic circumstances around.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 14:08 utc | 303

My previous comment at 304 was top for Mina and 297,299 for H.Schmatz.

Mina, I don't think the analogy of PPE received from Colombia mistakenly or intentionally alleged to have been Chinese excuses the fact that Chinese bio-manufacturer Bioeasy sold defective testing kits to Spain. In the midst of the crisis Spain is suffering; it's inexcusable.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 14:20 utc | 304

@301 Mina

And just to add, I would call defective kits sent to Spain inexcusable whether they were U.S. or Russian made. I'm not biased against China, I just think integrity matters.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 14:26 utc | 305

Japan is falling down on its PR sword:

Calls grow for state of emergency as Tokyo logs record coronavirus cases

Osaka's governor claims are extremely worrying: he said Japan doesn't even know which is the route of infection, no patient zero etc. They are testing so little that they are effectively in the dark. This is next level plausible deniability: the Japanese government crippled itself so that it couldn't know how much infected exist in order to create the perfect PR narrative. So not only it doesn't know - it also doesn't want to know.

This, folks, is fascism's end game: when fantasy supplants reality.


On the South Korean front:

Korean economy teetering on edge of collapse

As I've been saying before, Jae-in Moon won the battle, but lost the war. That pattern will repeat in the European social-democracies because that's the way the system works.

And he may have not even won the battle: cases in Seul are few, but inexorably growing. They may be doing a Japan in Seul, which has half the South Korean population. Will Moon have the courage to lockdown Seul? I'm betting on "no".

P.S.: His approval rating skyrocketed to 60%, but the country is clearly in flux, so the situation can reverse as quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if his approval ratings evaporated suddenly this year or the next.


On China:

China to step up financial support for SMEs, increase effective investment

There are already western experts desperate with this. They are clamoring for China to stop doing that and to simply give the people cash, a la capitalist countries.

The problem is that China did the exact opposite of that in it worked. It isn't a question of money, but which things are done with the money. With laser-precise allocation, China invested a minimum to maximum result. This will repeat in the reactivation period.

Here's dr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn's explanation on why China successfully contained the first wave of the COVID-19:

‘Commitment, competence, and readiness’ turned the tide in China’s virus fight

Posted by: vk | Mar 31 2020 14:36 utc | 306

Coronavirus, Prodi: «Gliolandesi devono capire. Con la crisi, a chi venderanno i tulipani?»

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 14:36 utc | 307

Some interesting anecdotes from an article on why Germany's nCOV death rate is so extraordinarily low:
Counterpunch article on Germany's low mortality rate

Whilst the average age of Corona cases in Germany is 45 years, in Italy it is 63. On the other hand, according to Bloomberg’s Global Health Index, Italians live a much healthier life compared to Germans. And unlike Italy, Germany has only limited post-mortem testing of Corona virus cases.

Germany’s Robert Koch Institute, for example, only counted the age group over 60 for one study. Yet even in this study, the proportion in Germany is well below the Italian figures. 19% of those who were proven to be infected in Germany were over 60 and more than half were between 35 and 59.


Italy had 5,000 intensive care beds before the crisis. More have been created since. Britain had 4,100 intensive care beds. In Germany, there are about 28,000. Germany’s number is to be doubled in the near future.

The major factors are clearly
1) Average of of nCOV confirmed is a lot lower in Germany. Part of this is testing - but note that Germany is older, on average, than Italy.
2) Germany has 80M vs. Italy's 60M, but Germany has more than 5x the number of intensive care beds.
3) Germany is much later stage than Italy in the nCOV epidemiological cycle.

A last interesting note:

for decades Italian fashion companies have imported sweatshop labor from China to manufacture garments. Some of these workers have imported the Corona virus to Northern Italy.

Link embedded in the above: Guardian link on Chinese and textiles in Italy

The above link makes no attribution of coronavirus to the textile industry, but other links have said there were direct flights between Wuhan and Prato because of the textile industry. Twitter link on connections between Northern Italy and China

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 14:51 utc | 308

50% to 75% of all nCOV are asymptomatic - Italian immunologist based on study of 3000 residents of Vo' Euganeo

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 15:00 utc | 309

@Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 14:08 utc | 304

First, Germany ( along with France..) refused to help at first moment by forbidding exports of ventilators ( from which, precisely, buys most Spanish hospitals so far, may be we should be considering to whom we buy after this passes...I mean a relaible provider in times of sanitarycrisis...)and any other medical supplies.

Second, amongst the myriad of certified companies the Chinese government offered to Spain to buy its supplies from, the Spanish government ( or the person in charge of this buyout...)selected precisely one which had not certificate of quality from the Chinese government, whith which the suply of tests resulted in a scam, was delayed another week or more, with the consequent loses of lifes and health personel out of work pending from being tested...The responsible´s head for this byout should have rolled immediately. This is why I say we are being lead by who seem to be our own enemies ...

Third, whatever medical product the US could produce/have, it has never offered anything to Spain, but has accumulated for itself, along with the cargo of hundreds of thousands of Coronavirus test which were chartered to the US from Brescia ( Italy )in the height of the epidemic in that country. Thus, what we could expect from the US is that they would take advantage of their two military bases in Spanish soil to accaparate medical supplies destined to us, for themselves, as it is being witnessed.

Yes, the Spanish government should ask for help to China, Russia, and Cuba or whoever is willing to help, instead of "waiting for Godot" by asking for help to the EU and NATO, but, please, do not mention me neither Germany, Holland, or the US, unless you are trying to teas me ( have yo uread my posts today? ). Three countries whio have demonstrated which moral fiber they are made of.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 15:03 utc | 310

@Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 14:20 utc | 305

You com to prove with this comment you are a propagandist for the US here, since the Chinese Embassy made it enough clear it was the Spanish government who selected that company out of the list of certified companies the Chinese government offered to Spain to made its byouts.

We must research who the owners of that company are so that to understand why in the Earth the Spanish government responsible for this byout chose that uncertified company instead of one of the list provided by the Chinese government....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 15:10 utc | 311

Dr. John Campbell goes over a paper in the New England Journal "Epidemiology of Covid-19 in a Long-Term Care Facility in King County, Washington", showing 34% mortality in residents with median age 83.

Posted by: TJ | Mar 31 2020 15:12 utc | 312

Your theory on linking Italian textil industry to the Chinese to explain the epidemic outbreak in italy seems to be another clear intent on missinformation from the US, since Spanish zero patient was a German citizen who traveled to Canary Islands, and Madrid patient zero a citizen from Torrejón de Ardoz without any link to travel and contacts with any Chinese or Italian, but happens to lives in a city where there is a US military base, this last by pure casuality, of course...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 15:17 utc | 313

Interesting overview on how governments are using disease modeling to decide on policy Science Magazine link
Of course, the Dutch nCOV response is right between Spain and Italy so far...
Equally, this article implies that Boris Johnson's initial "let them get coronavirus to promote herd immunity" was because of Imperial college modeling, and changed as the models changed.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 15:28 utc | 314

Second Raoult study: results look good outwardly, but again the study participant population looks skewed: 80 patient Raoult hydroxychloroquinine study

In particular: 57 of the 80 participants were under 60, 36 were under 50 and 24 were under 45. The mortality for these cohorts is very low under all conditions.

Age (years) Median 52.5
Interquartile 42 62
Min - Max 20 88
[20-45[ 24 30.0%
[45-50) 12 15.0%
[50-60) 21 26.2%
[60-70) 13 16.2%
[70-80) 5 6.3%
≥80 5 6.3%

The study participants were all very healthy as well - here's a listing of pre-existing non-nCOV conditions:

Chronic conditions
Cancer 5 6.3%
Diabetes 9 11.2%
Coronary artery disease 6 7.5%
Hypertension 13 16.3%
Chronic respiratory diseases 8 10.0%
Obesity 4 5.0%
Immunosuppressive treatment 4 5.0%
Non-steroid anti-inflammatory treatment 2 2.5%

Dosage was 1-200mg hydroxycholoroquine tablet, 3x a day.

There was no control group - so we have no idea what the untreated response would be.
The population was very young and very healthy - particularly for hospital admission in the first week after showing symptoms. 43% had pneumonia.

If we look at Chinese mortality rate by cohort, the expected mortality for this group would be 2.381 - one of the 80+, one between the 60-70 and 70-80 groups, and the rest scattered in the younger groups. The study said 1 person died and 3 people are still hospitalized, so the average is likely to be met (25% to 40% of the really sick nCOV die).

The pre-existing data shows that this group was extremely healthy compared to normal hospital admissions, much less the Italy data.

I also did a sanity check: did a calculation of average age by going to the midpoint of every age group: 37 for the first, 47 for the 2nd, 65, 75 and 85. The average from this is 53.15 - visibly higher than the average shown above - meaning the average ages in the cohorts was lower than a completely even distribution. This doesn't prove cherry picking but is a data point.

Net net: this latest study is interesting but again, highly inconclusive except that the side effect rate was low for this reported group.

Possible adverse events
Nausea or vomiting 2 2.5%
Diarrhoea 4 5.0%
Blurred vision* 1 1.2%

The lack of a control group is particularly damning.
This study at least documented a number of pneumonia cases: 43% had pneumonia.
But again, we don't know what the performance without hydroxychloroquine would be - either for pre-pneumonia stages or post-pneumonia stages.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 15:59 utc | 315

Circe @302

I take Jimmy Dore's "rant" as more a cry of despair and his proposed action more of frustrated desperation - but I wouldn't dismiss his feeling on the issue (I think he's getting it right).

I hope that Sanders continues his campaign because he should continue to advocate for M4A until' the very end but I don't think he wants to win (however, I have no problem forcing a win into his reluctant hands), but...

For me, Sanders and the progressives all died when they didn't make a stand over the Stimulus bill. They needed to get real protections for ordinary Americans and they didn't even try. It will be far harder to rectify these issues after this is all over (they won't be rectified). Bizarrely, they placed everything in Trump's hands (the person they said was a liar and could never be trusted).

This election is not really about whether Sanders will win and then betray the people who voted for him (that, unfortunately, was always a likely outcome regardless of who won the election). This election is about the death of the change agenda - ending regime-change wars, foreign intervention; this election has already ended those as issues - Medicare4All is being buried way down deep - getting rid of the swamp, elections that can deal with the concerns of the people, introducing steps like the "New Deal" is just not going to happen; your horizons are being bashed into a more compliant aspect ("look down, citizen") - it ended the hope that Sanders represented in 2016, and it also ended the future ("The Squad" have well and truly had their balls chopped off for everyone to see).

I do respect your enthusiasm for Sanders, hope he gets the Democratic nomination (unfortunately he won't) and would urge Americans to vote for Sanders (but they won't get the opportunity). And you should continue with your enthusiasm for Sanders until' its all over. But, I fear you are going to be faced with some unpleasant choices in November (if, indeed, there actually is an election).

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 31 2020 16:00 utc | 316

@H.Schmatz #314
1) It isn't my theory. I posted links
2) The notion that patient 0 is all that matters is ludicrous. The scale and speed of infection clearly points to multiple carriers spreading the disease.
Even Singapore - with its very few nCOV infections - showed multiple inbound nCOV carriers.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 16:01 utc | 317

Posted by: vk | Mar 31 2020 14:36 utc | 307

vk, like to "kiss" you. NO, NO I'm not gay but a 1000% square. You are so correct, China did exactly the opposite, that's why they are "almost" out of the wood unless they screws up and coronavirus return for a rerun.

China need to watch out for the evil empire, You cannot and must never trust US of A and the 5eyes.

Dr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn can be view here CGTN with weekly updates - Closer to China with Dr. RL Kuhn:

Posted by: JC | Mar 31 2020 16:06 utc | 318


Thank you for correcting me as to the fact that the Chinese company Spain purchased kits from was not certified by the Chinese government. I remember reading that somewhere in passing and it totally slipped my mind. I agree that the Spanish government used poor judgment. Almost all governments are failing in this crisis in one way or another.

I know that Germany took some Spanish patients, but I wasn't aware to what point Germany is selfish in this and failing to help Spain. Not surprised however that France is not helping. It's true that U.S. is selfish as well when it comes to sharing, and what exists of U.S. humanitarianism has strings attached. Yesterday Trump showed off the latest rapid testing kit, which would be helpful for Spain. Of course, I imagine Trump being Trump, he'll try to get the best price from Spain.

I totally understand your frustration and anger and appreciate your input.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 16:10 utc | 319

@Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 16:10 utc | 320

Yesterday Trump showed off the latest rapid testing kit, which would be helpful for Spain. Of course, I imagine Trump being Trump, he'll try to get the best price from Spain.

And, why in the Earth could they have developed so fast the rapid tests when they were denying the pandemic and qualifying it as a hoax even almost a week ago?

Could those not be those hundreds of thousands kits requisitioned in Brecia? It would be good that they would try to resell them to us...which, on the other side, would not surpirse me in the least...

With respect to frustration and anger, se me nota, no?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 16:17 utc | 320

Economic fallout for tourism industry: Up to $450 billion in losses out of $1.5 trillion industry: Wolf Street link

The World Tourism Organization (UNWTO), in its updated assessment of the potential impact of COVID-19 — based on the optimistic assumption that the tourism industry will experience a swift recovery over the next 3-4 months — projects that for the whole year 2020, tourist arrivals will have fallen 20-30% from 2019, and international tourism revenues will have plunged by $300 billion to 450 billion, almost one third of the $1.5 trillion generated in 2019.

Taking into account past market trends, this would mean that between five and seven years’ worth of accumulated industry growth will have been wiped out in one fell swoop.

By contrast, the global financial crisis of 2008-09 resulted in a 5.4% fall in international tourism revenues, while the September 11 attacks in 2001 and the SARS outbreak of 2002-3 led to declines of just 2% and 0.4%. These were just momentary blips for an industry that has experienced two decades of almost uninterrupted growth, resulting in a three-fold surge in international tourism receipts, from $496 billion in 2000 to $1.5 trillion in 2019. Even during the worst year, 2009, the 5.4% fall in tourism receipts was cancelled out by a 5.7% resurgence in 2010.

The fallout for gig workers is also extreme:
Uber rides down as much as 70% in hardest hit cities like Seattle

anecdote: not seeing delivery drivers means not tipping Felix Salmon Twitter link

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 16:24 utc | 321

@Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 16:01 utc | 318

The searching for patient zero is a basic in epidemiology, strangely a willing disposable nuisance for the US in this pandemic, even when it is its John Hopskins Hospital who keeps the accounts...what for, one wonders, if they are the first ones who do not follow the most basics in epidemiological research...

The multiple carriers at multiple locations points at the need to search for multiple patient zero, but not exclude the oblied searching for them. Something the WHO is not insisting enough on.

As, to my view, this is not a natural outbreak, I fear we will be left without that important part of the research to understand this pandemic. Who is promoting no research of patient zero? Find that and you will be on the clue of the origins of this pandemic

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 16:28 utc | 322

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 16:17 utc | 321

I hope China will be the first, second, and even third to come out with one or more vaccines, they have more than a dozen labs or companies working on the vaccine. I believe last week they already start vaccine trials:

China developing 9 potential vaccines in global race for coronavirus cures: Chinese volunteers recount their experiences

Coronavirus vaccine trials: Chinese volunteers recount their experiences

Posted by: JC | Mar 31 2020 16:29 utc | 323

@ Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 15:59 utc | 316

Dr. Raoult's studies are useless because none of them have control groups.

I don't blame him for that: in a pandemic, nobody cares about control groups. However, it doesn't change the fact that his finding have zero scientific values.


This is very relevant:

Why Asia’s New Coronavirus Controls Should Worry the World

It's easy to explain why those listed countries/provinces are going to react badly to the second wave of COVID-19: it is coming from the West.

The first wave came from China. Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan have one thing in common that binds them: they hate China with a passion of one million suns. That means they already had the infrastructure and planning capacity to block flux of people from China (Mainland). When the fist wave came, it was very easy for them to isolate themselves from the Mainland for the simple reason they were already prepared to do so, albeit for other reasons (military).

But they are not prepared to protect themselves from people from the West. On the contrary: Western people can go to those places and do whatever they please. They are treated like gods. They will continue to travel, by plane, to those locations, and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it.

Singapore doesn't hate China, but it is a city-state that depends on constant openess to the entire world to survive. Being an island at the western coast of Malaysia helped it to isolate itself more or less well from China, but its GDP plummeted -10% this quarter, and now it is reopening itself again to international flights. Most of those flights will bring infected westerners.

Posted by: vk | Mar 31 2020 16:32 utc | 324

Worst-hit German district to become coronavirus ‘laboratory’

Oh man, if that headline had "Chinese" instead of "German", imagine the shitstorm that would come from the Western MSM...

Posted by: vk | Mar 31 2020 16:36 utc | 325

@H.Schmatz #323
With every post, you manage to decrease my respect for your opinions.
This latest one is no exception. This is actually impressive, in a way.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 16:37 utc | 326

@vk #325
Untrue - the first Raoult trial had a control group. It was just that the control group was totally different than the HCH+azithromycin group, and thus not very validating at all.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 16:39 utc | 327

The impression I get from Pompeo and his ilk is that the main thing is having someone to threaten and abuse to show "leadership" and "manhood", at least one shitty little country we can still throw up against the wall -- bemildred at 23.

Yes - like the teen bully on the block who has only 3 vague buddies left who moreover want to exploit him, appropriate what is left of his shredded status … These idiots are out of touch with reality.

lizard, +++ poems

It is unlikely this Coivid event is "planned" as there is no possible way to account for the myriad contingencies involved in a widespread pandemic and economic crash. -- jayc at 28

I agree. Imho it is obvious that for ex. Bojo, Macron and Trump were taken flat-footed (surprised - what is the correct eng. expression?) The results will be horrible for the whole Corp. - lackey Gvmt - neo-lib - MSM - Globalist class - although some still seem to think that money, hidey-holes, top status and sneering at deplorables!, and some form of biz as usual will mean no change for them.

However, the never let a good crisis go to waste principle is applied, mostly in this instance by augmenting state-authoritarian-enforcement (corp) control, in a kind of knee-jerk reactive move - it looks very much like panicked defense, last-ditch type, not clever, innovative, not well thought out (US particularly, but France and UK similar..others), big problem: the Natives are getting restless, images of pitchforks arise. The fin. crash (debt) can be blamed on COV - probably not good enough.

Circe point 1 at 46 (+ other points), yes, absolutely. In France the treatment in the past 10 years or so of Med. personnel has been scandalous. What has not been reported in the Intl MSM (afaik) is that for the past year and a half (about) med. perso. in F have been doing rolling strikes, stand downs, halts, demos, etc. etc., ..I could go on and on..

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 31 2020 16:49 utc | 328

@Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 16:37 utc | 327

Same here with respect to respect..In my case already aware of your usual US propaganda stance at every topic previous to this one.

Directly proportional to the impression that I am right.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 17:01 utc | 329

Heard about a WaPo article that says the source of the virus may have been the US. Anyone heard about this or have a link?

Posted by: liveload | Mar 31 2020 17:04 utc | 330

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 17:01

Re: all your whinging about poor little Spain

The Spanish have behaved idiotically throughout this crisis.

They had plenty of forewarning, just like the rest of Europe.

The were allowing planeloads of tourists to travel to Spain as late as last week or 10 days ago, thus ensuring widespread infection. They did this simply for the extra revenues.

Your constant childish whinging about Spain being "abandoned" to its fate, is tiresome. They behaved like idiots and are now suffering the consequences.

They have no one to blame but themselves for the current predicament they find themselves in

Posted by: Realist | Mar 31 2020 17:09 utc | 331

Here we have a nice recollection of criminality and fraud that forms the basis for the Casino Capitalism that has wrecked havoc: "For 40 years I watched ‘rampant fraud’ on Wall Street destroy capitalism, Covid-19 nailed its coffin shut." I cited this writer a few days ago saying the current economic system isn't Capitalism at all. Here's his two sentence indictment of the Federal Reserve:

"The Federal Reserve Bank is not part of the federal government and is not actually a bank. It’s owned by the big member banks and acts to protect banking interests – it seems they enable fraud and cover it up." [My Emphasis]

Ah, but it must have political enablers to accomplish its cover up. Take note of the year 1982, which is when the deregulation frenzy began--and deregulation I action means enabling fraud and gross criminality. Note what was running the Executive during those years--the not really former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, GHW Bush, which is to say the CIA was in charge with the demented Ronald Reagan merely a figurehead.

But the author's best and most important recollection's from 2008:

"And then came the Global Financial Crisis of 2008 (GFC). I still recall seeing a video of ex-Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan on stage with then-Fed Chairman Bernanke. Greenspan, commenting on the Lehman Brothers collapse, lamented that 'if you have adequate capital, you do not have defaults of senior debt and you do not have contagion.'

"Greenspan, aka 'The Maestro,' continued as Bernanke twitched, looking increasingly uncomfortable: 'I think there was rampant fraud in a lot of what was going on in these markets. We need to get far higher levels of enforcement of existing fraud statutes… things were being done that were certainly illegal and clearly criminal in certain cases, by which I mean fraud. Fraud is a fact. Fraud creates very considerable instability in competitive markets. If you cannot trust your counterparties, it won’t work, and indeed, we saw that it didn’t.'

"Bernanke seemed shocked at how easily Greenspan admitted Wall Street’s rampant fraud. Illegal and criminal activities played a major role in the GFC for which no bankers were jailed and no banks closed down. They paid tax-deductible fines that were insignificant relative to the gains made." [Emphasis Original]

Since I began writing at MoA, all the evidence I've seen verifies psychohistorian's hypothesis that private financial control must be destroyed and public control reinstated--globally. This also relates to political control, for the Money Power has it precisely because it controls the purse strings. So when it becomes time to deploy the Pitchforks, they need to be sent to two locations in NYC--Wall Street generally, and the NY Fed building in particular.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 31 2020 17:19 utc | 332

Posted by: liveload | Mar 31 2020 17:04 utc | 331

"Heard about a WaPo article that says the source of the virus may have been the US. Anyone heard about this or have a link?"

Don't have the link the original source from the US but watch this excellent rebutted Wuhan virus

Posted by: JC | Mar 31 2020 17:24 utc | 333

People’s Skepticism About Covid-19 Is The Fault Of The Lying Mass Media

Caitlin Johnstone, Mar 31 2020

Coronavirus disinformation is the hot topic of the day, with pressure mounting on social media platforms to censor incorrect information about the virus and mainstream news outlets blaring dire warnings every day about the threat posed by the circulation of false claims about the pandemic. The WaPo editorial board warns:

As fast as the coronavirus has raced around the globe, it has been outpaced by a blinding avalanche of social media sorcery and propaganda related to the pathogen, much of it apparently originating in Russia. As always when it comes to its relations with the West, Moscow’s main currency is disinformation, and it spends lavishly.

This would be the same WaPo which falsely assured us that the Bush administration had provided “irrefutable” proof that the government of Iraq had WMDs. The same WaPo which falsely assured us that Russian hackers had penetrated the Pindo electricity grid to cut off heat during the winter, and who circulated a McCarthyite blacklist of alternative media outlets designated “Russian propaganda” compiled by a group of anonymous internet trolls. The same WaPo whose sole owner is a literal CIA contractor yet never discloses this brazen conflict of interest when reporting on the Pindo ‘intelligence community’ as per standard journalistic protocol.

If outlets like the WaPo had done a better job of consolidating their reputation as a reliable news source instead of constantly deceiving their readers about very important matters, people would believe them instead of believing a “blinding avalanche of social media sorcery,” and web wizardry and internet incantations and electronic enchantments and net necromancy.

We’re seeing these urgent warnings about coronavirus disinformation and misinformation from mainstream outlets who’ve sold the public lies about war after war, election after election, status quo-supporting narrative after status quo-supporting narrative. “Here’s How to Fight Coronavirus Misinformation” reads a headline by the Atlantic, whose editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg once assured us that “the coming invasion of Iraq will be remembered as an act of profound morality,” and whose star writer is David “Axis of Evil” Frum. The NYT warns:

    China and Russia have seized on the coronavirus outbreak to wage disinformation campaigns that seek to undermine Pindostan and its handling of the crisis, rather than addressing public criticism of their own struggles with the pandemic.

This would be the same NYT which played a leading role in the disinformation campaign to build support for the Iraq invasion, and which aggressively pushed crazy-making Russia hysteria, befor eventually retracting its bogus “17 intelligence agencies” claim. So it is understandable that people are suspicious and looking to alternate sources for answers.

The outlets which are warning them about the dangers of this virus and defending massive, unprecedented changes which have an immense impact on the lives of ordinary people have an extensive and well-documented history of lying about very important things. People are aware of this, in their own ways and to varying degrees, and it doesn’t help that all the usual suspects are behaving in a way that feels uncomfortably familiar. The Bulwark, whose founder Bill Kristol was also the founder of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) argues:

    This pandemic will be more consequential than 9/11. It probably already is. People just don’t realize it, because they still think and still feel that once this is all over we’ll go back to the way things used to be. We won’t

Posted by: Realist | Mar 31 2020 17:24 utc | 334

Lots of good revealing news today! Lawsuit Discovery will hopefully destroy Monsanto/Bayer and BASF for their poisoning of farms, crops and people:

"'The documents are the worst that I've ever seen for any case that I've worked on,' said lawyer Angie Splittgerber, a former tobacco industry defense attorney who works with Randles. 'So many of them put things in writing that were just horrifying.'" [Emphasis Original]

The monetary damages didn't get into 10 figure territory or higher where they ought to be, IMO. This is only one of many similar lawsuits, but IMO the people needing to be charged with these crimes are not being arrested or facing the judgement they so richly deserve--Life in prison without any parole option!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 31 2020 17:33 utc | 335

To get a taste of how the people at the top of the Fiscal chain of command feel about things like inequality fraud and poverty the short video above is worth viewing

Three Treasury Secretaries Laughing It Up Over Income Inequality

"Former Treasury Secretaries on the Global Economy" April 27, 2015

Former Treasury Secretaries Timothy Geithner, Henry Paulson, and Robert Rubin talked about about global economic trends, public finance and capital markets. Sheryl Sandberg, chief operating officer of Facebook, moderated.

The Global Economy: A Conversation with Timothy Geithner, Henry Paulson and Robert Rubin” was a luncheon program of the 18th annual Milken Institute Global Conference held April 26-29, 2015, at the Beverly Hilton.

Robert Rubin
Former Treasury Secretary
Clinton Administration, 1995-1999

Henry Paulson
Former Treasury Secretary
Bush Administration, 2006-2009

Timothy Geithner
Former Treasury Secretary
Oabma Administration, 2009-2013

Sheryl Sandberg
Former Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary
Larry Summer, Clinton Administration, 1996-2001
Facebook Chief Operating Officer

Posted by: Realist | Mar 31 2020 17:35 utc | 336

OMG! Governor Andrew Cuomo in his briefing today made the case for public M4A on so many levels without referring at all to M4A!

Every single day Gov. Cuomo is making the case for public M4A in some way, but today he made the case on MULTIPLE levels.

The pandemic is proving the necessity on one system for all, instead of what the Governor today referred to as a "BALKANIZED" Hospital System. Still he failed to go as far as stating that M4A is essential! When is he going to admit the truth?

Even the Affordable Care Act is BALKANIZED with multiple insurance companies involved.

Therefore, logically, (illogically) the red tape is insurmountable for hospital cooperation in a crisis and on the level of who gets what care at which cost, and add to that the disproportionate price of medication. It's crazy.

Bernie's team needs to monitor Cuomo's briefings and use them to make the case for M4A.


332 Realist

The Spanish have behaved idiotically throughout this crisis...bla-bla.

Look, regardless of what country you or anyone else is from, as far as citizens of this planet, we are in this virus boat TOGETHER, and imo every country has made mistakes, granted some more than others, therefore everyone should abide by the adage: people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Your condescension towards the plight Spain is in is overkill.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 17:54 utc | 337


Of course citizens should hold their respective governments to task and the selfishness of other countries to task, but to beat a nation when it's in such a dire situation is trumpish behavior.


Floating U.S. Navy Coronavirus Petri Dish?

The captain of a U.S. aircraft carrier stricken by the coronavirus is pleading with Navy officials for help to stem the spread of the disease aboard the ship, which is now docked in Guam.

In a memo obtained and published Tuesday by the San Francisco Chronicle, Capt. Brett Crozier, commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, warned of dire consequences if the majority of the crew is not taken off the ship and isolated.

"This will require a political solution, but it is the right thing to do," Crozier wrote about finding individualized lodging for crew members. "We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset - our sailors."


Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 18:17 utc | 338

@338 Circe

Over here in the UK it was amusing, if only for a moment, watching today's daily briefing by the government when they talked about "united national effort" and the "National Health Service" when over decades the politicians have divided the NHS. They created an "internal market", "Trusts" and "Public-private partnerships" and all the other management speak gobbledygook to make them and their financial backers money and to lesson the efficiency and effectiveness of the NHS, and now, when the chips are down all that nonsense goes *poof* in a puff of smoke.

Posted by: TJ | Mar 31 2020 18:19 utc | 339

Some have heard about the infected Outlaw US Empire's aircraft carrier. Here's a thread about its dire situation:

"Captain of Theodore Roosevelt pens a four-page letter pleading for resources, says the situation is rapidly spinning out of control as nearly 200 sailors test positive."

Apparently, the ship's captain felt it necessary to leak the letter he sent to his superiors in order to pressure them into acting.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 31 2020 18:22 utc | 340

@341 karlof1

Hopefully those that tend to the nuclear power plant won't all be ill at the same time, no one needs a floating Chernobyl disaster.

Posted by: TJ | Mar 31 2020 18:31 utc | 341

@Posted by: Realist | Mar 31 2020 17:09 utc | 332

It seems that the same that happens with laughter, the one who whines the last, whines better...Beware...

Guns and ammo may prove unproductive...mister brave....

From my part, you can go to the same place the Dutch representative to the EU can...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 18:47 utc | 342

Your condescension towards the plight Spain is in is overkill.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 17:54 utc | 338

The Spanish are like that toilet-licker guy who caught the virus.

Except he's not whining about how he's been abandoned

Posted by: Realist | Mar 31 2020 19:00 utc | 343

Beware of falling in love with Andrew Cuomo.


"...summarily disbanded the corruption commission he’d ran on creating when it began to investigate his allies."

"...made a host of videotaped promises in exchange for the Working Families Party’s endorsement only to turn around and break them all."

"...secretly worked for years to ensure Republican control of the State Senate, protecting himself from the flak that would come with having to veto progressive legislation."

" insisting on taking an ax to the state Medicaid budget even at the cost of $6.7 billion in emergency federal aid — and lying about it."

Even in a Pandemic, Andrew Cuomo Is Not Your Friend

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 31 2020 19:00 utc | 344

The Netherlands seeks ICU beds in neighboring countries 2 days after criticizing the lack of foresight in southern Europe.

Source below in the comments..

And that even when The Netherlands makes its money, apart from the very respectable way of selling tulips, by the not so of attracting the money of European biggest corporations ( including Spanish giant Inditex...)to their tax haven whose existence is allowed by the economic architecture the EU is based on, to beneffit great capital and corporations by avoiding taxes, with which, for example, one of the richest men in the world, Amancio Ortega, who, at the beginning of the problems in Spain donated the ridiculous ammount of 300.000 masks ( and for that was painted by the MSM on the same hands of greatest banks and corporations as a Spanish hero..) manages, through financial engineering, to pay less taxes than the average worker in Spain, by having the HQ of his giant multinational company in The Netherlands, under the alleged propietry of four people...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 19:03 utc | 345

No wonder the fascist tendencies of the IV Reich are in the rise, since along with ruining some countries to pillage them after all this passes, they are getting rid of the generation who had the memories of the last war against fascism...Two birds with the same shot...The countries expected to get ruined are those who had the most powerful communist parties ( and thus population...) before NATO´s Gladio Operation was unleashed and got with killing their main leaders, when not discreditting and disbanding what was a promising movement in Europe to prevent what we are witnessing right now...

Shshshsss! Shut up fascists!

Silence. A hero is dead. Rafael Gómez, the last survivor of the 9th Company of the Leclerc Division, "La Nueve", the Spanish who were the vanguard of the Paris Liberation. He was born in 1921 in Adra, Almería, and held the Legion of Honor of the French Republic.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 31 2020 19:21 utc | 347

Your reading comprehension is equal to the quality of your posts: abysmal.
The people who have been around MoA know full well what my views are - they are anything but pro-US.
But by all means, feel free to continue to spout nonsense.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 31 2020 19:27 utc | 349

@345 ADKC

Yes, I know, but I like that Cuomo's getting a reality check with this pandemic.


It's what I wrote yesterday. Our dumb leaders are ignoring the 3 elephants in the room whose combined weight is cracking the foundation of our economy: Climate Change, an Aging Population and Debt.

So instead of putting the emphasize on Healthcare and Climate Change and managing and controlling debt, we have government throwing money at corporations and the war industry.

Cuomo referred to New York's "balkanized" hospital system that is failing, partly because of bureaucratic differences, to respond to the needs of the Coronavirus crisis cohesively and efficiently in terms of patient distribution, supply distribution, and personnel distribution across the fragmented system.

When you factor into this the insurers and big pharma it's beyond balkanized; it's like a tower of Babel of miscommunication at a time of crisis.

Although public healthcare would be better to protect and cover all citizens being cheaper and more centralized what this crisis is exposing in Western countries is that healthcare and healthcare workers are neglected all around, because few leaders are understanding that the immediate challenges of aging demographics and the health problems and disasters that climate change will create require a more efficient and better-funded healthcare system to care for the growing vulnerable in society and also effectively respond to the injuries and health challenges climate change will present in future.

Everyone is being caught with their pants down in this crisis, because as far as I'm witnessing, no one, even on the public side is funding healthcare as it should be funded and healthcare workers have been under-appreciated, especially on the lower tiers, so in a pressure situation they suffer and patients suffer as well; everyone suffers the consequence of this failure to recognize the healthcare arena as the top priority.

Hopefully, this pandemic will help to bring more awareness to this neglected essential service, which as Sanders rightly spells it out, is a human right that should be accessible to everyone equally.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 31 2020 19:36 utc | 350

ADKC @345:

Of course you realize you're responding to a compulsive hero worshiper for whom the actual records of the presumptive heroes are, more often than not, a nuisance.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 31 2020 20:02 utc | 351

Meanwhile, the Syrian conflict continues unabated:

Syrian Air Defense Forces Respond To Israeli Airstrikes. Over 10 Missiles Launched

'Target of opportunity' attack as Syria assembles forces for a renewed attack on Idlib?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 31 2020 21:32 utc | 352

ADKC @345: Andrew Cuomo is not your friend.

Yeah, he's got a tarnished record alright.

But I it's difficult to find ANY established politician that is 'your friend'. Though they put on a good show sometimes. And that fools most people.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 31 2020 21:37 utc | 353

Canadian oil gives US 'energy independence'.
TC Energy has said that the $8 billion pipeline would create thousands of jobs on both sides of the border and be a boon to long-term US energy independence.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 31 2020 23:03 utc | 354

karlof1 @272

Serious thanks for relaying Pepe's words from Assbook. He doesn't post everything to and I cannot go to Assbook, so I would miss good stuff like what you posted if not for your collecting and curating efforts.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 31 2020 23:45 utc | 355

William Gruff @356--

You're very welcome! He gets so much more info that he can't publish it's quite damning actually, not him but the system, so he does self-censor quite a lot. That why he uses art as metaphor for what he can't convey. Dylan's sorta monstrous but his lyrics are deemed okay so Pepe hijacks them to get his deeper point across.

Sometimes you just need to continue to listen to what seems the same old lecture when suddenly new information gets injected that wasn't presented before. That's what I just experienced with Hudson's latest interview, which is also why I continue to explore his website for it contains information that's not in his books yet is vital to his overall thesis, which is to say it's vital to mine/ours too. Hudson's yet to express an opinion about the pandemic, but I'm thinking he doesn't need to since I believe he sees it's being used as a pretext to replay what happened in 2007-9--bubble popping-->upward wealth transfer-->reinflation of bubble-->keeping most of the fraud covered up. Sure, the Fracking Ponzi dies, but it already served its purpose. Yes, that's the first time I've expressed that opinion here. During the Great Depression, the very wealthy kept their wealth and were able to regain control thanks to the War and the fading of FDR's powers/prowess from late 1943 until his death--the FDR of 1940 wouldn't have thrown Wallace under the bus as he did in 1944. The Current Oligarchy's bet is they'll be able to ride-out the huge tsunami of a financial crash their actions are unleashing just as they've done before. Did they design the pandemic as cover or is it just fortuitous? If we survive the virus, we'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2020 1:10 utc | 356

To each his own but I'm not going along with the enthusiastic amounts of self-medication on here. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The antiviral effect of Chloroquine variants in hospital context looks important and convincing but that is not the same as preventive self medication and the chemical stress this puts on your body. Stress which may pose doctors for problems at a later stage. There may be a preventive function to Chloroquine but this is speculative.
There is one relevant supplement we've been taking at home: zinc. Many people have zinc deficiency and we don't take it up very well, just like iron. Now if the chloroquine+zinc function is indeed a major factor then it will be able to do its work better if we aren't deficient on zinc. I read about the combination with Arithromicyn. But in the guide you can download from alibaba ( , date of last update unknown) , its combination with Chloroquine is prohibited. That means the amount of effort getting this right in a given context is high and I won't be a good judge in a short term. In such a case authoritative experts are a better guide.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 1 2020 9:08 utc | 357


From the Chinese handbook.

lopinavir/ritonavir (2 capsules, po q12h) combined with arbidol (200 mg po q12h) were applied as the basic regimen.

If the basic regimen is not effective, chloroquine phosphate can be used on adults between 18-65 years old (weight ≥ 50 kg: 500 mg bid; weight ≤50 kg: 500 mg bid for first two days, 500 mg qd for following five days)

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2020 9:28 utc | 358

Peter AU1: yes, that is the usage in hospital context. Why do you mention that? I'm arguing about people extending its usage outside of hospital context without being ill.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 1 2020 9:39 utc | 359

I don't see any of this... "the enthusiastic amounts of self-medication on here."

"I read about the combination with Arithromicyn. But in the guide you can download from alibaba ( , date of last update unknown) , its combination with Chloroquine is prohibited."

I may have misunderstood what you meant by this. As far as I know chloroqine is never used combined with another drug to treat corona virus.
Hydroxychloroqine I think is used in combination with other antivirals.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2020 9:56 utc | 360

karlof1 @ 341 says:

Some have heard about the infected Outlaw US Empire's aircraft carrier

i don't want to sound insensitive, but there's nothing in that twitter thread that reflects a 'dire' situation except the captain's 'leaked' letter. it's mostly just the usual gratuitous anti-Trump dreck.

one of the few things we know about this virus is that it's mostly dangerous for older folks with pre-existing conditions. yes, of course there are exceptions, there are ALWAYS exceptions.

Adm. John Aquilino, the commander of U.S. Pacific Fleet, says that none of the sailors infected on the Roosevelt are in critical condition or on ventilators.

well, after all, the average age of a sailor on an aircraft carrier is 24.

Posted by: john | Apr 1 2020 9:58 utc | 361

@Peter AU1: I only notice now, I mistyped: was talking about Azithromycin.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 1 2020 10:24 utc | 362

karlof1 @ 333

"""The Federal Reserve Bank is not part of the federal government and is not actually a bank. It’s owned by the big member banks and acts to protect banking interests – it seems they enable fraud and cover it up." [My Emphasis]

Ah, but it must have political enablers to accomplish its cover up""

Quite right.

The Fed is a creature (created by) Congress and will print (make available) money for whatever Congress wants it to.  Obviously we're seeing that Congress is not interested in Mainstreet, college debt, pension security, medicare for all, etc.

Posted by: financial matters | Apr 1 2020 11:28 utc | 363

financial matters @364

If what you say were true then nobody would complain about nationalizing the Fed as that would just be an empty formality.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2020 11:34 utc | 364

WG @ 365

I think then Congress would lose some deniability. Right now the system is confusing and it can seem that they are not at the root.

In reality the Fed and the Treasury work very closely on a day to day basis.

Posted by: financial matters | Apr 1 2020 11:39 utc | 365

financial matters @366

It isn't Congress that leads the opposition to nationalizing the Fed but rather capitalist mass media. Congress just does what the capitalist elites who own them tell them to do.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 1 2020 11:50 utc | 366

Manolis Glezos, who pulled down the swastika flag planted on the Acropolis by the occupying Germans in Athens in 1941, died on March 30. He was 97.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 1 2020 12:10 utc | 367

WG @ 367

Yes, that trio, capitalist elite, capitalist mass media and Congress definitely have an agenda. And it's not for the public purpose.

Posted by: financial matters | Apr 1 2020 12:13 utc | 368

re the Fed vs the Treasury:

if you think, as i do, that the Fed'd days are numbered(they've pretty much shot their wad, no?),

this could be, and I stress could, ultimately, very good news.

Posted by: john | Apr 1 2020 12:44 utc | 369


that is

Posted by: john | Apr 1 2020 13:02 utc | 370

Well,I think this would be the opportune moment for other countries in the world to put sanctions on The USA,for food and medical supplies.The average american citizen would finally see why they are so much hated throughout the world.I suspect even Bernie to understand.
By the way,in France,the assembly has voted unanimously to warrant a 300 billion aid to banks and companies,even those that declare their benefits outside France.And nothing for the citoyen français,of course.As you would expect the french pendant to Sanders,the fake left Melenchon voted it,as well as the communist party and what is left of the left.People who still think voting,and left policies mean something should have their heads examined.For decades it is the oligarchie thar controls the whole political spectrum,it is so logic.

Posted by: willie | Apr 1 2020 13:15 utc | 371

Pepe Escobar deserves the hat tip for pointing me to this excellent article that draws more of the curtain back to expose the wizard: "Meet the Economist Behind the One Percent’s Stealth Takeover of America." Yes, it was published almost two years ago and in an online journal for a thinktank I'd never heard of, Institute for New Economic Thinking: "Economics must serve humanity" is the motto on its home page.

The article takes much from a not so new book, published in 2017, Democracy in Chains: The Deep History of the Radical Right's Stealth Plan for America, which was a finalist for the National Book Award in Nonfiction. The review notes at the link are impressive, leading me to ask how it happened that myself and others never heard of it.

From skimming the article and the book's Introduction (the open preview at the link is quite long), I can see I'm going to be busy as there's more at the think tank's website that deserves exploring. The virus and its crisis will eventually die down but the philosophy we see being employed by the Current Oligarchy and its political stooges will continue, so it behooves us to learn more about it so it can be uprooted and burnt at the stake. There's no doubt in my mind that the engineers of the current political-economy within the Outlaw US Empire are those very American Fascists and their kin Henry Wallace warned the nation about in 1944. It's the Class War and More, and the Enemy's Within, not in Russia or China.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2020 17:43 utc | 372

373 Cont'd--

Video interview between Democracy in Chains author and Ralph Nader lasts 1.25hrs.

Enter the title into the search box of your favorite engine and you'll get links to many more interviews with the author and print reviews from all over the political spectrum. Yes, the author clearly shook the cage with her work.

And it's very interesting what you discover when reading archives. This is from 20 years ago and discusses the Rape of Russia as reported in a controversial National Interest article. Hudson's segment's interesting, while that of Steven Rosefielde is even moreso for this revelation:

"The failed putsch in August 1991, and Gorbachev’s refusal to allow the military to arrest and execute Yeltsin later that fall when Russia, Belarus and Ukraine seceded from the Soviet Union, enabled the radicals to triumph, as their predecessors had during War Communism and the Stalin era." [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 1 2020 18:56 utc | 373

The Nation has some interesting stuff,about Cuomo.

I understand that he brought down health care in his state during the last ten years,just like the French governments did over the same period,treating health care like a surplus to be sanitized financially.Must be that neoliberal stuff that they take.

And then there is this:

About the Pentagon warning for shortage of equipment what's verily needed now.There is a link to the Pentagon document.

Oh,it occurs to me that once I pledged not to post any links for fear of disrupting something.Forgot all about it.Must be this virus you hear so much about,could be an early Aloys Alzheimer as well,but it seems the other ills and sicknesses have lost interest or became less deadly.So I renew my promise.

Posted by: willie | Apr 1 2020 21:13 utc | 374

The point where herbal medicine met science.

"In their publication in 1820 the latter two scientists called upon colleagues to test, in practice, the therapeutic properties of this pure quinine [3]. Since Pelletier and Caventou described very precisely their isolation procedure, physicians and apothecaries everywhere found themselves in a position to isolate for themselves a supply of quinine, starting with cinchona bark. This pure and precisely dispensable substance was indeed found to be highly effective, and it quickly displaced pulverized bark as a remedial agent. Because of the high demand for pure quinine, the first quinine factories were soon established, representing in effect the advent of the modern pharmaceutical industry."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2020 23:58 utc | 375

Apologies to all. I didn't preview the link.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2020 23:59 utc | 376

The joys of healthy herbal medicine.

"Quinine, Quinidine and other compounds found in cinchona bark can be hazardous to your health. The quantity of quinine and other cinchona alkaloids allowed in food and drink is regulated in many countries."

From wikipedia...
Quinidine is occasionally used as a class I antiarrhythmic agent to prevent ventricular arrhythmias, particularly in Brugada Syndrome, although its safety in this indication is uncertain.[1][3]

It reduces the recurrence of atrial fibrillation after patients undergo cardioversion, but it has proarrhythmic effects and trials suggest that it may lead to an overall increased mortality in these patients.[4]

Quinidine is also used to treat short QT syndrome.[5]

Eli Lilly has discontinued manufacture of parenteral quinidine gluconate in the US, and its future availability in many countries is uncertain.[6]

Other uses
According to a recent meta-analysis, there is only one small study that has shown that a combination of dextromethorphan and quinidine alleviates symptoms of easy laughing and crying (pseudobulbar affect) in patients with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and multiple sclerosis.[7][8]

Although intravenous quinidine is sometimes used to treat Plasmodium falciparum malaria, the future availability of this agent is uncertain.[9]

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 2 2020 0:09 utc | 377

Here are the WHO recommendations for masks
Clear restraint in when to use masks and a lot of emphasis on mask as source of contamination.
They don't mention asymptomatic(presymptomatic) transmission. They don't recommend to avoid using voiceless consonants in speech either :) It's not just about coughing and sneezing.
In random sloppy use I think there will be a clear effect to decrease the size of droplets being emitted, and a clear decrease in the amount of particles. But there could be an increase in smaller droplets.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 3 2020 8:53 utc | 378

Home is a tent

Posted by: joubert | Apr 6 2020 1:03 utc | 379

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