emissions down.will have to stay that. Johnny,s in the basement cooking up the medicine.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6717761/pollution-decline-coronavirus/

Posted by: mcohen | Mar 27 2020 18:31 utc | 3

@ 3 mcohen.. the link you share highlights what @ 227 john was saying in the previous thread…prioritize the economy or the environment? can’t have both..

Posted by: james | Mar 27 2020 18:37 utc | 5

james, here’s one from yesterday:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/

Posted by: bevin | Mar 27 2020 18:43 utc | 7

The Hill Rising interviewed Tara Reade who worked for Biden in the early 90s and says he sexually assaulted her. Ryan Grimm and Katie Halpern are also giving her airtime and press so I think this has legs.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising

Posted by: migueljose | Mar 27 2020 18:50 utc | 9

Whelp the politicians let us down everywhere, but in America its a bigger joke. 1200 dollars will do what? That is peanuts and will do nothing. Tulsi has been pushing UBI for months but of course she is kryptonite to the media because the neocons have declared her so. That is why we got this from Jacob Wohl after Tulsi declared her candidacy last year:
“Everyone in the pro-Israel lobby (myself included) is already talking about how to make sure that Tulsi Gabbard’s campaign is over before it even gets off the ground — If you’re going to bet on a Dem candidate, look elsewhere.”
Tulsi Gabbard: The End Times
The result of that move by the neocons is that we are now stuck with Biden because Tulsi was excluded from the debates and would have done what Bernie was unable to do.

Posted by: Kali | Mar 27 2020 18:54 utc | 11

b –
You should take your draft for today’s post that didn’t pan out to the Federal Reserve to see if they’d be willing to buy it from you.

Posted by: David G | Mar 27 2020 19:15 utc | 13

You bet they are going to fnid a way to bail these mega-super spreaders too
from the cnn live “Cruise line operators Carnival, Royal Caribbean and Norwegian have been hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic. But the three companies aren’t getting any help from Washington, D.C., as of now.
Shares of all three stocks plunged between 12% and 20% Friday after the Senate and House passed a more than $2 trillion coronavirus aid package that did not include any money for them.
The reason? The cruise lines all have headquarters in Miami, but none of them is legally based in the United States — which allows them to pay fewer taxes. Carnival is incorporated in Panama, while Royal Caribbean is headquartered in Liberia. Norwegian is incorporated in Bermuda.
Republican US Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri noted that fact in a tweet earlier this week, urging them to move to America in order to qualify for aid.
President Trump said in a news briefing Thursday that “it’s very hard to make a loan to a company when they’re based in a different country.” But he also noted the cruise companies employ thousands in the United States and that “we’re going to try and work something out.”
Carnival CEO Arnold Donald said in an interview on the “Axios on HBO” show that the company is not looking for a government bailout. But Donald acknowledged that “capital markets are constrained right now.” (HBO is a part of WarnerMedia, the AT&T-owned parent company of CNN.)”

Posted by: Mina | Mar 27 2020 19:40 utc | 15

Russia Insider has an article “Socialism for the Rich: Government Is Bailing Out Investors & Managers, Not You” which I find interesting – a few extracts:
“Third, as we have been warning since 2006, companies need buffers to face uncertainty –not debt (an inverse buffer), but buffers. Mother nature gave us two kidneys when we only need about a portion of a single one. Why? Because of contingency. We do not need to predict specific adverse events to know that a buffer is a must. Which brings us to the buyback problem. Why should we spend taxpayer money to bailout companies who spent their cash (and often even borrowed to generate that cash) to buy their own stock (so the CEO gets optionality), instead of building a rainy day buffer? Such bailouts punish those who acted conservatively and harms them in the long run, favoring the fool and the rent-seeker.
Furthermore, some people claim that the pandemic is a “Black Swan”, hence something unexpected so not planning for it is excusable. The book they commonly cite is The Black Swan (by one of us). Had they read that book, they would have known that such a global pandemic is explicitly presented there as a white swan: something that would eventually take place with great certainty. Such acute pandemic is unavoidable, the result of the structure of the modern world; and its economic consequences would be compounded because of the increased connectivity and overoptimization. As a matter of fact, the government of Singapore, whom we advised in the past, was prepared for such an eventuality with a precise plan since as early as 2010. – Nassim Taleb and Mark Spitznagel

Posted by: spudski | Mar 27 2020 19:50 utc | 17

It scares me that there are people who fail to understand that the economy exists to benefit people: we were not created to serve the needs of the market.
The fact that such arguments are being broached seriously is a truly shocking revelation about our system of government and our economic system.

Posted by: ralphieboy. | Mar 27 2020 20:02 utc | 19

An insight to Chinese scholars in US of A and Canada..Hosted by Tian Wei CGTN. There are many ten of thousands facing racialism and causing parents sleepless night. I too faced the same problems when my daughter enrolled in a university of California. Look at Them, these are the creams of China’s future, they may be the decider China’s fates. BTW, Xi Jinping daughter enrolls in Harvard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIOPX8iy_p8&list=PLt-M8o1W_GdQ3OMoqak-V6k1ED3eOjEEy&index=2&t=0s
“For many Chinese students studying overseas, being away and on their own is tough enough, but dealing with a pandemic just makes it tougher. Chinese students in American universities share their experiences on efforts to contain COVID-19, on and off campus. How are they dealing with uncertainties over the pandemic? The answers might be found on The Front Line – World Insight, a special program on COVID-19, hosted by Tian Wei. “

Posted by: JC | Mar 27 2020 20:05 utc | 21

@ #4, the Examiner article has been scrubbed. The establishment is in a full court press to nominate Biden, from corporate media whitewashing sexual assault and dementia to hacked primaries where the vote count widely disagrees with exit polls.
We have the very best government that money can buy.

Posted by: Noah Way | Mar 27 2020 20:11 utc | 23

JC
The trial is to compare four different drugs to see which is the best. Many different drugs have been tried around the world and have helped. This trial looks to be about which is best.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 27 2020 20:19 utc | 25

Will the “death of the shallow narcissism” in the West come for people from the obligation they finally have to spend time with their kids? Interesting times…

Posted by: Mina | Mar 27 2020 20:30 utc | 27

Posted by: Per/Norway | Mar 27 2020 19:23 utc | 14
Thanks, Norway.. personally dun believe “chloroquine”, but my brother from Australia bragged. In his email last week here…
“Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/australian-infectious-disease-expert-we-may-have-a-cure-for-coronavirus/
BTW, kept myself updates on Coronavirus. WHO briefing every: Monday-Wednesday-Friday. One of my daughters moved to Finland she MSc Computer science. Chinese is not stoopid, they were and are forced to move where they are welcome and contributing to society. Socialism with Chinese Characteristic… will prevail

Posted by: JC | Mar 27 2020 20:37 utc | 29

@22 ben
Tulsi was required by the DNC rules to support the victor and sheepdog Bernie refused her support. What other approach do you suggest she have taken? The lady is not perfect but her hit/miss percentage was way better than anyone else running.
Perfect may be the enemy of good as the old saying goes, but it is also the go-to standard for people attempting to discredit legitimate opposition and discourage the masses. Everyone is bad so just vote for uncle Joe, or even better, donʻt vote at all.

Posted by: sad canuck | Mar 27 2020 20:42 utc | 31

Finally!
World Health Organisation warns countries not to treat Covid-19 patients with unproven medicine amid scramble for a cure

History of medicine abounds with ‘examples of drugs that worked on paper or in a test tube but were actually harmful’, WHO chief says

Posted by: vk | Mar 27 2020 20:45 utc | 33

@31 sad canuck
What other approach do you suggest she have taken?
How about this, genius?: Don’t endorse anyyyone!!!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 27 2020 20:50 utc | 35

@74Tom74
In denial Boris Johnson needed to be hit with Coronavirus to learn: Hell yeah! Covid-19 is real.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 27 2020 20:54 utc | 37

james
thanks for the interest in my ‘degrowth’ post. alas, i think folks would rather talk about the election, or perhaps Biden’s sexual proclivities.

Posted by: john | Mar 27 2020 20:57 utc | 39

sc @ 31; See post@ 35.. As for me, I was a Tulsi supporter, not just rhetorically, but with real $. The Biden endorsement DIDN’T need to happen.
For me, case closed…

Posted by: ben | Mar 27 2020 21:04 utc | 41

P.S.–I also supported B. Sanders financially…

Posted by: ben | Mar 27 2020 21:07 utc | 43

ben | Mar 27 2020 21:04 utc | 41
Indeed. n speaks to integrity.
A child appears before US Congress n talks of 1st-person witness to babies being thrown out of incubators.
A live demonstration of the power of coaching to produce pseudo-credibility.
Ronald Reagan was “only” rated a B-grade actor in Hollywood. Yet demonstrated over n over the skills of acting. He knew how to be president. I recall just before the 1900 election, he appeared solo on TV, seated behind an empty table. Then greeted his audience, gently reached into his pocket and placed some coins on the table, the gave a speech about money, which grabbed and held total attention.

Posted by: chu teh | Mar 27 2020 21:26 utc | 45

Handbook put out by Chinese doctors.
alibabacloud.com/universal-service/pdf_reader

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 27 2020 21:35 utc | 47

sad canuck | Mar 27 2020 20:42 utc | 31:

Tulsi was required by the DNC rules to support the victor and sheepdog Bernie refused her support.

False on both counts.
1) There is no “victor” yet.
2) AFAIK Bernie hasn’t refused her support – that ‘news’ came from Tulsi’s brother and I think he withdrew that or deleted the tweet.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 27 2020 21:40 utc | 49

B;what can you say about Maduro?

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 27 2020 21:48 utc | 51

This is the antiviral treatment recommended in the hand I linked above.

Antiviral Treatment
At FAHZU, lopinavir/ritonavir (2 capsules, po q12h) combined with arbidol (200 mg po q12h) were applied as the basic regimen. From the treatment experience of 49 patients in our hospital, the average time to achieve negative viral nucleic acid test for the first time was 12 days (95% CI: 8-15 days). The duration of negative nucleic acid test result (negative for more than 2 times consecutively with interval ≥ 24h) was 13.5 days (95% CI: 9.5 – 17.5 days).If the basic regimen is not effective, chloroquine phosphate can be used on adults between 18-65 years old (weight ≥ 50 kg: 500 mg bid; weight ≤50 kg: 500 mg bid for first two days, 500 mg qd for following five days).Interferon nebulization is recommended in Protocols for Diagnosis and Treatment of COVID-19. We recommend that it should be performed in negative-pressure wards rather than general wards due to the possibility of aerosol transmission.Darunavir/cobicistat has some degree of antiviral activity in viral suppression test in vitro, based on the treatment experience of AIDS patients, and the adverse events are relatively mild. For patients who are intolerant to lopinavir/ritonavir, darunavir/ cobici-stat (1 tablet qd) or favipiravir (starting dose of 1600 mg followed by 600 mg tid) is an alternative option after the ethical review. Simultaneous use of three or more antiviral drugs is not recommended.
Course of Treatment
The treatment course of chloroquine phosphate should be no more than 7 days. The treatment course of other regimens has not been determined and are usually around 2 weeks. Antiviral drugs should be stopped if nucleic acid test results from sputum specimens remain negative for more than 3 times

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 27 2020 22:02 utc | 53

Will Corona Change Our Lives Forever? | Russell Brand
Next Up: Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Posted by: TJ | Mar 27 2020 22:12 utc | 55

Posted by: Jagsfan | Mar 27 2020 22:14 utc | 56
Even IF I see a ventilator those Parasites have no credibility with me.
Fake Puppet Show !!!!

Posted by: Tom_LX | Mar 27 2020 22:21 utc | 57

Ok. Is Phase 2 starting soon?
– US has 2 aircraft carriers in the middle east
– operating with B-52 bombers
– deployed along patriot air and defence missile systems
– emptied its embassies in Iraq and Lebanon
– semi-mobilized its reserves
– Entire world in state of martial law
All this for COVID19?
https://twitter.com/souria4syrians/status/1243666202733535232?s=21

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 27 2020 22:36 utc | 59

Pepe Escobar was on the Moderate Rebel today talking about Covid-19 and how it fits into the hybrid warfare tactics of the Rogue State. In addition, Pepe gives some insights into Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and the OBOR in general. Quite long discussion but overall not in vain.

Posted by: Vato | Mar 27 2020 22:59 utc | 61

@ Posted by: occupatio | Mar 27 2020 22:09 utc | 54
They are mainly using Johns Hopkins University (A HREF=”https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html”>click here) as the source. They are very different than the WHO’s, which still puts USA deaths at the 65,000 range (history shows, however, that the WHO is just lazy in updating their website).
According to their own website, they use as sources “WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, state and national government health departments, and local media reports”. That may be the reason they are ahead of the WHO in with the American numbers.
Cause of death is always determined by the doctor who called it. It’s useless to try to search for the absolute truth in these cases, as we’re in the mid of a pandemic. My guess is, if you’re in a ventilator and dies of respiratory failure, the doctor will not have any other reason to not call that a COVID-19 death (unless, of course, the patient was in the hospital before the pandemic happened). Occam’s Razor apply here: it’s unlikely on a cosmic scale that humanity was struck with two pandemics at the same time (the case being theorized by some being that there’s a strong pneumonia happening at the same time as the COVID-19 in Europe).
It’s not weird for a doctor to list cause of death the disease which dealt the final blow. That’s why flu and pneumonia kill so many people yearly: they are, at least in the First World, the disease which serve as the “nail in the coffin” for a person already in terminal stage (very old or in coma for a long period). In modern medicine, the orientation is to avoid the use non-scientific terms such as “natural causes” in order to determine cause of death, since it hinder progress of the area. So, even a 120 years old that dies from a flu is still not considered as dying of old age, but from a flu (cardiorespiratory failure or something like that).

Posted by: vk | Mar 27 2020 23:11 utc | 63

Jimmy Dore tweeted:
“The largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world to the 1%, the Democratic Party is no better than Donald Trump, they R using ur own money to steal from you & they’re calling it a bailout. It’s a colossal unconscionable screwing up America.
And it passed 96-0.”
Jimmy Dore is right about the bailout, it’s just about carpetbagging and everyone (including Sanders, Warren & Gabbard) are enabling this.
I don’t know how Americans can do anything but you need to stop this before it’s too late.

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 27 2020 23:50 utc | 65

Posted by: Ian2 | Mar 27 2020 23:29 utc | 64
Nope last heard she’s still in Harvard, maybe graduated?? However, there’s another Harvard Graduate, Dr. Keyu Jin is a tenured professor of economics, LSE, her father Jin Liqun President of Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).
The Remaking of Global Finance.mp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxX-396GLak
Professor Jin Keyu brings Chinese voice to world economic discussion.mp4
Watch very politely disagreements between Keyu and Mnuchin before section: 50:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xDCEi-CnlU

Posted by: JC | Mar 28 2020 0:19 utc | 67

As reported by Ivan Katchanovski on Facebook:
The Prosecutor General Office of Ukraine reportedly plans to arrest two prominent recent members of the parliament and far right activists on charges of their involvement in the Maidan massacre.
The Ukrainian media reports citing anonymous sources in the Prosecutor General Office of Ukraine that they plan to charge Volodymyr Parasiuk with the massacre of the Berkut policemen on February 20, 2014, and Tetiana Chornovol with a deadly arson of the Party of Regions office that resulted in killing of a computer admin there on February 18, 2014.
My studies concerning the Maidan massacre and the far right in Ukraine found that the Parasiuk-led company of Maidan snipers was involved in the Maidan massacre and that Chornovol and far right Maidan activists were involved in this deadly arson attack that involved the far right.
Both of them were hailed by the Ukrainian and even some Western media and politicians as Maidan and national heroes, while their involvement in the Maidan massacre and the far right background were deliberately ignored or denied. Parasiuk was affiliated with the far right Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists and Svoboda before the Maidan and was a company commander in the Right Sector-led Dnipro paramilitary battalion after the Maidan. Chornovol was an activist of the far right UNA-UNSO before the Maidan and in the Fatherland/Peoples Front during and after the Maidan. The Ukrainian media reports that Parasiuk has already disappeared.

Posted by: 1union | Mar 28 2020 0:40 utc | 69

karlof1 @62
The reason for the persistence of the Depression was the persistence with which liberals insisted that the policies which had left to the crisis should be used to solve it.
People forget that the New Deal had a very mixed history- as soon as counter cyclical methods looked as if they were succeeding they were dropped in favour of the austerity and economic equivalent of herd immunity which the ruling class favoured.
They also tend to forget that the real creator of the New Deal was not FDR but John Q Worker it was working class militancy that forced FDR and Congress to take the steps that they did.
The reactionaries-who still rule and have done so since 1946- knew what they were doing when they forced Taft Hartley through. And Truman was right on when he called it a Slave Labour Act.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 28 2020 0:49 utc | 71

@ vk, 63
Thanks for your reply. First off, I should say that I initially had the misconception that the ‘immediate cause of death’ meant the mechanism of death. But the CDC handbook on death certification clarifies this point: “The cause does not mean the mechanism of death or terminal event (for example, cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest).”
So, COVID could indeed be listed as the ‘immediate cause’ on the death certificate, in which case it would also be listed as the ‘underlying cause.’ Accordingly, contrary to my initial hunch, I don’t see much room for ‘massaging’ the data when compiling death counts. It mostly comes out in the wash, it seems.

Posted by: occupatio | Mar 28 2020 1:05 utc | 73

Isn’t pandemic stuff meant to be in other thread? The famous types – pols n royalty who have the bug won’t all be so smug in 5 or 6 days. The initial stage is the same for everyone but as the complaint progresses a % will get extremely ill, no matter how many $$$s they have or servants they own.
Big ears 80 plus ‘household’ will do him no good as none of his 83 servants can breathe for him, plus a household that size will leak to fuck if Big Ears gets preferential treatment for ventilators etc. A couple of the fishwraps who loathe him and want the next king to be his son will be offering big wedges to any valet or footman with a story about charlie getting a ventilator. Boris will have the same problem.
A firing squad would feel more cathartic but we beggars can’t be choosers, so I for one will take death by disease as being sufficiently karmic reward for those humans who claim to be better by birth.

Posted by: A User | Mar 28 2020 1:32 utc | 75

vk #50

The CCP has already banned flights to the Mainland by foreign nationals.

Thank you. How to shut down USA meddling and fomenting colour revolutions etc. NEVER let their diplomats return either due to your pandemic, the risk of them bringing their pandemic, your concern for their safety etc etc. Make all the USUKI citizens and diplomats be incarcerated for a fortnight in isolation with all the others, a bit like a village of plague carriers. Require them to carry a trackable mobile device that cant be turned off, report daily to a special pandemic service station to ensure follow up health check.
End of the colour revolutions.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 28 2020 1:47 utc | 77

Grieved @78:
Sorry, I have better things to do than worry about the eructations of some semiliterate Zionist who can’t sing.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 28 2020 2:09 utc | 79

FYI: OPCW scandal drags on:
OPCW Scandal Reaches New Height of Farce With Latest Whistleblower Allegations Over Smeared Douma Officers

The latest OPCW official to step forward and support the findings of the two initial inspectors, whose scandal was revealed in a series of leaked emails in May 2019, has spoken of the culture of intimidation within the organisation …

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 28 2020 2:21 utc | 81

The latest article by Larry Romanoff (who has been one of the leading writers on Covid-19) effectively concludes that the facts indicate that Covid-19 is a bioweapon and that there are multiple strains and multiple targets and suggests that the US is the source. Extracts:
“There appears to have been two major ‘waves’ of global infection, the first around the end of January, the second a month later.”
“the first wave – 22 countries had their first confirmed infections in travelers from China but, soon after this, in the second wave, 34 countries obtained their first confirmed infection in travelers from Italy, and another 16 from Iran.”
“However, so-called “first infection” in these countries, from Chinese citizens or other travelers, proved in all but perhaps two cases to be irrelevant because these first external infections proved to have no links to the subsequent local outbreaks, and because the virus strain in many of those explosive local eruptions did not exist in China but only in the US.”
“Italy, like almost all other countries, did not obtain its infection from China and indeed could not have done.”
“A natural virus hasn’t the ability to simultaneously infect 85 different countries on all continents of the world, with outbreaks in multiple locations in each country.”
“More peculiar is that these countries were by no means all infected with the same variety of the virus, which means the simultaneous infections in these 85 countries were not from the same source.”
“Even more peculiar is that most countries, at least the major ones, reported simultaneous outbreaks in multiple locations, and to date while some nations have been able to identify one or more of their ‘patients zero’, I am aware of no country that was able to definitively identify all their several ‘patients zero’. Considering the above information in light of the known basic facts of virus transmission, intuition suggests at least the possibility of there having been many people carrying a pail of live viruses.”
“It is interesting to note that high fatality rates are entirely within Italy, Iran, and China. For approximate figures, China’s fatality rate is between 3% and 4%, that of Iran at about 7% and Italy the highest at around 9%.”
“Even more interesting is that if these countries did pass their strain of the virus to other nations, those strains abandoned their lethality when they left home. Of the 34 countries supposedly infected by Italy, for example, all exhibit very low mortality, the same being true of Chinese or Iranian infections. The natural conclusion is that these viruses prefer their ‘home populations’ and pose at best a minor threat to others.”
COVID-19: Two Major ‘Waves’ of Global Infection, Towards Global Contamination?

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 28 2020 2:29 utc | 83

@ 78 grieved.. thank you… here are the full lyrics for anyone interested in art…https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics
@ 79 corvo… that’s a really sad comment on you… not everything boils down to race and hatred fortunately…

Posted by: james | Mar 28 2020 2:53 utc | 85

Point of no return for the USA. Bye bye, nice to know you, will miss the women, won’t miss the terrorism and gangsterism. Go f*ck yourself

Posted by: Jezabeel | Mar 28 2020 3:34 utc | 87

mcohen #88

environment comes before everything otherwise life will cease to exist on earth.surely that is not hard to understand.

YES YES perfectly understandable for most human forms yet there are some that are in absolute denial. See the link in my #84 above.
There is no way of converting the blind so stay with the green. Enjoy your next walk in the forest, I will.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 28 2020 3:45 utc | 89

I always enjoy reading Godfree Roberts essay in UNZ,
“Last Man Standing”
“China Wins Big With Covid-19. What Were We Thinking?”
https://www.unz.com/article/last-man-standing/ Godfree

Posted by: JC | Mar 28 2020 3:53 utc | 91

VK & his obsession with all things anti-chloroquine
MOA open thread 2020-23 VK @3
“…Arizona man dies thanks to cloroquine:
I hope that man isn’t an MoA reader, because, if he was, then the “miracle drugers” here have just killed a person…”
Arizona man drinks fish tank cleaner (chloroquine phosphate) – after this embarrassing piece of gross stupidity by VK, he has continued to double down every day since.
Not sure what his problem is – maybe he can let us know.

Posted by: ted01 | Mar 28 2020 4:00 utc | 93

Some facts about Bob Dylan:
1. Bob Dylan stole the arrangements of other Greenwich Village folk musicians and used them for the entirety of his first album – Bob Dylan never credited those musicians and just stole their work and passed it off as his own.
2. Bob Dylan’s entire “hobo” persona was stolen from Woody Guthrie – Dylan just appropriated Guthrie’s credibility. Dylan never knew what it was like to go hungry and need a job or a place to live and only understands such things as abstractions.
3. Dylan stole the leftwing pose from the parents of Suze Rotolo (his girlfriend) – these were not ideas that Dylan had true authentic feelings about – he absorbed and stole and used them for commercial purposes. In the decades since, Dylan has demonstrated time and time again that his concern about ordinary people and workers stops with the $12 they hand over for one of his albums.
4. Bob Dylan was not in any way involved in the anti-Viet Nam war movement – Joan Baez was, Bob Dylan had absolutely no involvement (this point so contradicts with what Dylan fans believe that they just will not accept it or even research it).
5. Pete Seeger lauded Bob Dylan and passed on the mantle as the future of “folk protest singers and the protector of “songs of the people” but when Seeger was unfairly attacked about his concerns that the words could not be heard (the words, the meaning of the song, is the most important thing for Seeger) Dylan just abandoned him and left him to face the wrath of Dylan’s fans – Dylan’s career was all that mattered.
6. Throughout his career, Dylan has used other musicians and stolen their ideas (or tried to – compare Dylan’s woeful “Canadee-I-O” [a worthless piece of work scrubbed clean from YouTube so that Dylan doesn’t lose a penny in royalties] with the version he tried to steal/copy, that of Nic Jones. Did Bob Dylan help Nic Jones when he was injured in a car crash? Did he f**k!
7. This song of Dylan’s about JFK is woeful and reveals nothing that Americans don’t already suspect and is well within what is “safe” – Dylan might have made a better song by bringing in the killings of Robert Kennedy, the suspicious and aggressive cancer that took Jacqueline Kenedy in 1994 at the relatively young age of 64 (who was healthy and active), which seems to have been a prerequisite for dealing with John-John who was killed in 1999 (I do not believe that Jacqueline would have been silent of she was still alive).
8. The release of this song is just a distraction. Let’s get the dead-end controversy about JFK going again just when there are more important current issues that need to be addressed. Dylan reveals himself to be an establishment stooge.
9. The truth of Dylan’s shallowness and lack of connection is revealed by Joan Baez in her masterpiece song, Diamonds and Rust.

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 28 2020 4:04 utc | 95

sad canuk @66
I’m with you.
Also a donating supporter of Gabbard, I was initially but briefly stunned by the endorsement, maybe because I’m not a Democrat but an independent lefty. However, what she did makes some sense if Sanders shooed off her endorsement—after all the hits she took and received and after the many things she did directly and indirectly to Sanders’s benefit.
I’m not referring only to the post attributed to her brother, which I understand was a credible but incomplete account.
The scuttlebutt among higher-level supporters in contact with staffers/surrogates in the Gabbard and Sanders campaigns is that Gabbard had every intention of endorsing Sanders, but his people (if not the man himself) told her he’d be suspending his campaign and endorsing Biden and, correspondingly, advised her that she should, too. Soon after Gabbard’s announcement, even MSM outlets were reporting that Sanders might close shop last week or this week.
Sanders has, of course, not shut things down yet. In light of him running interference this week for the Save the Suffering Billionaires Bill slammed through Congress under the pretext of delivering COVID-19 relief to workers, it raises more than a few questions.
But as you indicate, the real story of what happened between Gabbard and her former hero/mentor has yet to surface.
I do know that Gabbard shut down Jimmy Dore last week when he tried to get her to give him and his audience a peek behind the curtain. To paraphrase: her lips are sealed on the matter, and it’s really Sanders’s story to tell.
It was more negative confirmation to me that something weird, if not despicable, had occurred (and is probably still in process).
It’s easy for me and others who aren’t directly involved in the treacherous political Thunderdome that Sanders, Gabbard, et al battle within to say things like “Sellout!”, “Didn’t have to endorse,” and the like. But Gabbard (despite her maverick tendencies) and Sanders (despite his disingenuous self-branding) are committed to the Democratic Party, or at least what they think or pretend it should be.
I’ve learned following Gabbard since 2016 that she’s very careful with her words, but that the connotations she gives some of them within certain contexts often communicate something different than the generally understood superficial meaning: e.g. “present,” “center.” She said she gave her “full support” to Biden. (Side note: Sanders practically endorsed Biden a month or so ago and has acted the opposite of competitive candidate since Super Tuesday.) Like most thinking people who have an inkling about the DNC and Biden, Gabbard knows that Biden’s not calling the shots of his own campaign and that it’s a distinct possibility that he won’t be the nominee on the other side of the convention. (Sanders will not be allowed to be.) So, her stated “full support” is moot.
Tellingly, she’s not said the former VP’s name since that fateful, stunning announcement. And if Trump’s military order today is any indication, I won’t be surprised if she and other National Guard folks are called up soon to put on their uniforms and to take on the Corona Plague. Gabbard’s supporters and surrogates are at least 80% Never Biden, and they’re now turning to advocating for viable third parties, throwing their support behind Sanders, and/or returning to their previous affiliations (e.g., socialist in my and a few others’ cases, libertarian in many others’).
After Sanders formally confirms his endorsement of his Good Friend Joe and zealously campaigns for Biden or whomever the DNC appoints as the VP’s replacement, I hope that some disgruntled Sanders staffers/surrogates spill the beans on what happened between Gabbard and Sanders. Gabbard will likely keep her word, as she’s wont to do, and keep her and her people’s lips sealed.
I suspect, too, that Gabbard will come out of all this looking prescient and more respectable than her political peers and detractors—like she has so many times in the last four years.

Posted by: Near Barbarian | Mar 28 2020 4:44 utc | 97

Near Barbarian @97
No, you are entirely wrong, Gabbard has destroyed herself and undermined her message. You know it too, otherwise, you wouldn’t have posted such a tortuous justification.

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 28 2020 5:10 utc | 99