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March 24, 2020
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chu teh #99
YES I noticed that too. Still looking for some post mortem data(looking at YOU USA)from August on for all those deaths from severe pneumonia. Some serious science by credible people is needed to inform us barflies. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 24 2020 23:54 utc | 101 WTF?
https://twitter.com/berlinConfid/status/1242413373830115329 Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 24 2020 23:57 utc | 102 Dear Moa, Posted by: Jen | Mar 24 2020 23:57 utc | 103 Again I ask, Posted by: arby | Mar 25 2020 0:00 utc | 104 arby @114– @perimetr (94) “ LOL, do you work for the Fed or Goldman Sachs?” Posted by: Rob | Mar 25 2020 0:19 utc | 106 Arby @ 114: Posted by: Jen | Mar 25 2020 0:27 utc | 107 @ Posted by: ADKC | Mar 24 2020 17:21 utc | 22 Posted by: evilempire | Mar 25 2020 0:29 utc | 108 karlof1 110 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 0:40 utc | 109 @ 113 jen… in bc in the 90’s when the tranfer of hk into chinas control was coming – 1997, the cost was 1/4 mil to come to bc canada… it seemed like a lot at the time, but it wasn’t really.. the requirement was for them to start a business and employee others.. it’s more complicated then that, but talking with a full on racist isn’t going to get you very far here as you and others are hopefully noting in the comments returned… Posted by: james | Mar 25 2020 0:58 utc | 110 Moa @ 120: Posted by: Jen | Mar 25 2020 1:27 utc | 111 That response from Jen to Moa was about the coolest cut down I’ve read in quite a while:) Posted by: SharonM | Mar 25 2020 1:33 utc | 112 What is always missed this business of Chinese buying property it the fact that it is our governments selling our countries is the problem. Blaming Chinese – fine stop them and somebody else will be buying our countries. The problem is the fact that our countries are for sale, not people buying. they could be honest, they could be crooked or just plain old sharks, but they are not the problem. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 1:52 utc | 113 Robert Parry was an old school investigative journalist.
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 2:07 utc | 114 In the context of US’ Financial Crisis and Wars, China’s Economic Success and Resiliance and EU’s All-Domain Dilemmas: Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Mar 25 2020 2:14 utc | 115 Re Rob @116 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 25 2020 2:22 utc | 116 Currency Bombers Fill the Sky No limit to the number of fiat dollars to be created, in order to monetize the debt and manipulate all markets. Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 25 2020 2:38 utc | 117 Trump believes the Easter Bunny is going to make Coronavirus disappear and the churches will be filled on Easter Sunday and the economy will boomerang, and it’s all gonna be beautiful! Posted by: Circe | Mar 25 2020 2:51 utc | 118 SharonM @ 123: Posted by: Jen | Mar 25 2020 2:51 utc | 119 @ Rob and Perimetr about money Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2020 2:56 utc | 120 Re: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2020 2:56 utc | 132 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 25 2020 3:01 utc | 121 Hi, Jen:) Posted by: SharonM | Mar 25 2020 3:06 utc | 122 Below is a repeat of a comment I pulled together about Stephen Zarlenga’s The Lost Science of Money which provides some needed context refresh for our current societal kabuki with money at the core. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2020 3:07 utc | 123 Report shows up to 88% of Italy’s alleged Covid19 deaths could be misattributed Posted by: Allen | Mar 25 2020 3:07 utc | 124 @125 yes but ‘your’ countries are not really ‘your’ countries. They are built on land taken from indigenous people so technically they belong to anyone. That is the thinking now anyway. So any government that tried to stop the sale would be called reactionary or racist. Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2020 3:09 utc | 125 Thank you psycholhistorian for your last post, very informative and interesting. Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 25 2020 3:14 utc | 126 Dude, you still with us? How did the reaction recommendations go over? I would guess quite well, considering India’s announcement. What was Germany planning to do? France? Belgium? Holland? Spain? Britain? Ireland? Scotland? I vote for socialism. by: psychohistorian @ 135 <= In today's Internet connected world, I vote for direct democracy, the right of self determination, and currency independent of attachment to the economic system or the nation state system.. for that reason I offer the $milimoon see 105. its fixed in size. operates independent of politics and is not subject to manipulation by government or those who control the government. Posted by: snake | Mar 25 2020 3:26 utc | 128 @ Perimetr who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2020 3:30 utc | 129 Below is a ZH link that shows the US hiring the fox to guard the chicken house Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2020 3:33 utc | 130 On March 21 both myself and Imagine predicted the number of new cases in the US for March 25 at 50 k and 55k +/- 5. End of today (March 24) we have an official number of 54.8. We used slightly different approaches but both relied on the assumption that the increase was log linear. We were both pretty close but the rates (i.e. an exponent in the equations were just a little low). What this implies is that the value of the exponent is increasing slightly. A log linear increase in the number of cases is what terrifies epidemeoligist. If the exponent in those equations is slightly increasing then it is even more terrifying. Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 25 2020 3:42 utc | 131 @King Lear @Moa Posted by: joeystalin | Mar 25 2020 3:56 utc | 132 psychohistorian #142
That is too good. Reminds me of the snake eating its tail. Those are ASSETS ?? try TRASH! The King Fed is naked, the robes are woven air, the people admire the robes and the pickpockets circulate in the crowd. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2020 4:10 utc | 133 Jen #122 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2020 4:19 utc | 134 Circe @130 Posted by: ted01 | Mar 25 2020 4:37 utc | 135 Posted by: Jen | Mar 25 2020 1:27 utc | 122 Posted by: JC | Mar 25 2020 5:02 utc | 136 ted01@147 Posted by: krollchem | Mar 25 2020 5:12 utc | 137 psychohistorian @ 135
Here are the allowed four paras from the main article:
One comment: Posted by: john brewster | Mar 25 2020 5:17 utc | 138 Posted by: vk | Mar 24 2020 22:17 utc | 93 Posted by: JC | Mar 25 2020 5:21 utc | 139 dh 137 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 5:22 utc | 140 Data – reliable data, almost totally absent whether by design or incompetence. Posted by: ted01 | Mar 25 2020 5:24 utc | 141 dh Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 5:29 utc | 142 The sinophobia manifesting its racist eurocentric neocolonial bullshit attitude appearing here is foreign. This blog is leftist. Jen, thank you for that brutal takedown Posted by: Abu Aisha | Mar 25 2020 5:35 utc | 143 Circe @ 130 Posted by: dltravers | Mar 25 2020 5:38 utc | 144 krollchem @ 149 Posted by: ted01 | Mar 25 2020 5:41 utc | 145 Jen 122 thank you. Jc 151 China means business. As does Russia. Luckily we have also Laos Vietnam Cuba and Venezuela, as well as a few carribean islands. It’s butt just the east that’s red. It’s a shame my country, Uruguay, has left the fold. Posted by: Abu Aisha | Mar 25 2020 5:54 utc | 146 Ay admin how can I edit? Posted by: Abu Aisha | Mar 25 2020 5:56 utc | 147 Interesting comments regarding money (fiat). But, there is one glaring omission; debt; both individual and government. Posted by: V | Mar 25 2020 6:02 utc | 148 And Nicaragua. There’s still real socialism alive and happening, existing and pulling people our of poverty. the average English reader does not understand this, not even the brits with their nhs.Today’s Syria a bastion. It is not only the east that’s red. Posted by: Abu Aisha | Mar 25 2020 6:08 utc | 149 V 160 there’s an article at global research about the debt jubilee. Our argument in Latin America is that we already payed it. Posted by: Abu Aisha | Mar 25 2020 6:13 utc | 150 Stimulus bill details agreed upon between Senate leaders and White House. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489382-senate-white-house-reach-deal-on-massive-stimulus-package Posted by: norecovery | Mar 25 2020 6:42 utc | 151 V 160 there’s an article at global research about the debt jubilee. Our argument in Latin America is that we already payed it. Posted by: V | Mar 25 2020 7:00 utc | 152 OH I’m reposting this from the last thread. Not because I’m a vain prich – which some may claim, but because I’m finding the endless ‘white noise’ about what really happened or is happening, a worthless distraction. Posted by: A User | Mar 25 2020 8:08 utc | 153 @154. So says the white colonist. I think you will find the race card trumps everything now. Canada still can’t settle native land claims. Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2020 9:05 utc | 154 M of A really warmed my heart reading thru the comments. I want to contribute by saying: Posted by: chu teh | Mar 25 2020 9:16 utc | 155 dh Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 9:19 utc | 156 @ karlof1 | Mar 24 2020 23:53 utc | 110 Posted by: Hmpf | Mar 25 2020 9:28 utc | 157 A User @ 165 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 25 2020 9:45 utc | 158 @168 I thought you were saying old english land title had the last word. Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2020 9:52 utc | 159 Posted by: Hmpf | Mar 25 2020 9:28 utc | 169 Posted by: V | Mar 25 2020 9:54 utc | 160 @ V | Mar 25 2020 9:54 utc | 172 Posted by: Hmpf | Mar 25 2020 9:58 utc | 161 On Tuesday, France became the fifth country to suffer more than 1,000 deaths since the outbreak began. And Jerome Salomon, the country’s top health official, has warned that the number could be even higher – the 1,100 confirmed total only counts people who died in hospitals. Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2020 10:17 utc | 162 dh Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 10:26 utc | 163 The President of Germany’s Robert Koch Institute, the national agency for disease control and prevention, has warned that the coronavirus epidemic is just starting in the country. Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2020 10:36 utc | 164 Posted by: Hmpf | Mar 24 2020 20:09 utc | 59 Posted by: Rancid | Mar 25 2020 10:39 utc | 165 https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/asia/testing-coronavirus-science-intl-hnk/index.html Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2020 10:41 utc | 166 Levity for trying times part three- Posted by: TJ | Mar 25 2020 10:45 utc | 167 @Hmph #169 and @V #172 Posted by: dennis | Mar 25 2020 11:21 utc | 168 Abu Aisha @161– Posted by: arby | Mar 25 2020 11:38 utc | 169 Remember: If temperature tests were not made in the EU, US, or Australia throughout January and February, it is only because it costs money to hire people. This money was meant distributed to the owners of the shares, not to the small people. Posted by: Mina | Mar 25 2020 11:43 utc | 170 More cracks in the foundation showing up– Posted by: arby | Mar 25 2020 11:45 utc | 171 dennis | Mar 25 2020 11:21 utc | 180 Posted by: V | Mar 25 2020 11:51 utc | 172 @ dennis | Mar 25 2020 11:21 utc | 180 Posted by: Hmpf | Mar 25 2020 12:12 utc | 173 The empire is not sleeping during Cov19 Posted by: arby | Mar 25 2020 12:36 utc | 175 @175 I agree we cant change history. My impression of Canada is some activists want ‘justice’ but I cant figure what that means exactly. Compensation? Trudeau apologizes every chance he gets. Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2020 12:45 utc | 176 Thanks b for continued high quality and hope you can give updates on other “don’t look here now” topics like Idlib, Yemen, Nicaragua, etc. Posted by: Екатери́на | Mar 25 2020 13:07 utc | 177 Hopefully the janitor will be by soon to clean the thread up, but in the meantime please do not feed the obvious trolls Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 25 2020 13:41 utc | 178 @ Moa | Mar 25 2020 13:13 utc | 190 Posted by: jared | Mar 25 2020 14:02 utc | 179 @ Garrett | Mar 24 2020 16:41 utc | 15 Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 25 2020 14:34 utc | 180 V / Humph 184 & 185 Posted by: dennis | Mar 25 2020 14:43 utc | 181 The J. Fox Trump Town/Rose Hall Reality Show, brought us two distinct messages: Posted by: 433 | Mar 25 2020 14:54 utc | 182 Tokyo governor urges people to stay indoors over weekend as virus cases spike
Why, all of a sudden, has Tokyo’s governor been suggesting tough anti-pandemic measures? Wasn’t the situation perfectly under control? Wasn’t Japan a model country, to be emulated instead of “draconic, authoritarian” China? “quebec is going to “lock down” for 3 weeks. seems a bit much but then the french are a bunch of drama queens.” — pair #5 Posted by: Made in Québec | Mar 25 2020 15:35 utc | 184 @ vk Posted by: Lurk | Mar 25 2020 15:36 utc | 185 king lear;donkeytale?another pig in the poke.zionist.uh. Posted by: dahoit | Mar 25 2020 15:37 utc | 186 @vk #196 Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 25 2020 15:50 utc | 187 I’d look more at Amy Chua’s background: Harvard University. Posted by: c1ue | Mar 25 2020 16:07 utc | 188 Came across this comment in Off-Guardian article titled: “Italy: Only 12% of “Covid19 deaths” list Covid19 as cause.” Posted by: Allen | Mar 25 2020 16:08 utc | 189 @ lurk… welcome back and glad you are doing well again…. Posted by: james | Mar 25 2020 16:19 utc | 190 An interesting review of Thomas Piketty’s latest book about the ideology of neo-liberalism Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2020 16:26 utc | 191 @ Posted by: Allen | Mar 25 2020 16:08 utc | 202 Peter AU 1 @119– The wife’s son by first marriage went to ER yesterday and was diagnosed with COVID. No test to confirm this as hospital has no tests and does not expect to see any tests. This in Chicago. This explains why the confirmed cases number for Cook County is relatively static past few days. He was told to go home and rest, come back when he can’t breathe. And sent home via train and bus without even giving him a mask. Examining physician wore a mask and gloves, no other PPE. Most staff wore nothing. Of course this is America so a coughing hacking patient who presents at ER gets to wait an hour and a half sitting on a bench in a roomful of other coughers and hackers. If he did not have the virus when he walked in he did before he left. No advice at all about how to manage before he returns to be admitted. Posted by: oldhipie | Mar 25 2020 17:29 utc | 194 Some better news from here in the UK, the government asked for 250,000 volunteers to help delivering supplies, driving patients home from hospital and making phone calls to check in with vulnerable people who are isolating at home. Less than 24 hours later over 405,000 have signed up. Posted by: TJ | Mar 25 2020 17:46 utc | 195 oldhipie @207– China’s People’s Daily goes off denouncing the Outlaw US Empire as “the creator of human right disasters” wherein we learn, james Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2020 18:17 utc | 198 LIVE NOW! Virtual Press Conference – COVID-19 — 25 MARCH 2020 Posted by: JC | Mar 25 2020 18:22 utc | 199 |
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