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March 14, 2020

Iraq's Resistance Reveals How U.S. Troops Will Be Removed From Its Country

Yesterday the U.S. attacked five sites in Iraq and killed 3 Iraqi soldiers of the 19th Division, two policeman and a civilian. The strikes came after some 10+ rockets, fired by unknown people, had hit the joint base Camp Tali and had killed 2 U.S. and one British soldiers.

Today the U.S. received the revenge for its strikes.

The U.S. Central Command had argued that the "defensive precision strike" against the five sites created deterrence i.e. they would prevent other attacks:

We believe that this is going to have an effect on deterring -- on deterring future strikes of this nature. We've seen in the past what happens when you don't respond. Now people know that we're not going to -- we're not going to tolerate these direct attacks on American or coalition service members, and we're willing and able to respond.

Even hawkish analysts find that the argument is nonsense.

The U.S. claims that the group Kataib Hezbollah, part of the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) and under command of the Iraqi government, fired the missiles. But the positions the U.S. hit were not Kataib Hezbollah positions. U.S. intelligence in Iraq is not up to date with regards to where Kataib Hezbollah units or those of the other 20+ PMU groups are stationed.

TØM CΛT - 12:05 UTC · Mar 14, 2020

After asking a military source in 19th Commando Division about the Al-Atheer facility and presence of "Iranian missiles", the response I got was that KH withdrew from the site 7+ days ago and the unit took their place.
So yeah, the Mussayib site was under Iraq Army.

British forces were supposed to join yesterday's U.S. strike but the Wall Street Journal reports that the Brits were called back by their government because the attribution of the original rockets strike to Kataib Hezbollah was shady and because there was no legal justification for the strikes.

The Iraqi government announced that it would protest at the United Nation about the U.S. breach of its sovereignty. Ayatollah Sistani condemned the U.S. attack and even the Iraq Joint Operational Command, which includes coordinating U.S. officers, protested against the strikes.

The Iraqi parliament and government have told the U.S. to leave Iraq. The Trump administration is not willing to do that. In consequence more U.S. soldiers will have to die in Iraq.

That the "deterrence" strikes did not deter anything was proven today when another rocket salvo was fired at Camp Taji in broad daylight:

A hail of rockets landed on a military base housing U.S. and other coalition troops north of Baghdad Saturday morning, wounding three coalition soldiers and two Iraqi soldiers.

The same base, Camp Taji, was the target of a rocket attack on Wednesday which killed three servicemen, including two Americans and one British.

The U.S. in Iraq is not fighting some "Iran backed" groups but is an occupation force and therefore a legitimate target for Iraqi government forces:

“We can’t forget that the PMF is a recognized entity within the Iraqi security forces; they aren’t isolated from the security forces and often are co-located on the same bases or use the same facilities,” said Sajad Jiyad, a researcher and former managing director of the Bayan Center, a Baghdad-based think tank.

“Now the (Iran-backed) groups who supported the initial strike in Taji, who were the most outspoken, feel obliged, authorized, maybe even legitimized to respond, ostensibly to protect Iraqi sovereignty but really to keep the pressure up on Americans,” he added.

“There are no red lines anymore," Jiyad said.

(I bet $10 that the "(Iran backed)" in that quote is not from Sajad Jiyad but was added by the NBC/AP writer or editor. Sajad Jihad often stresses that these groups do have motive and means to act on their own.)

(Added: Sajad Jihad has now confirmed to me that the politicizing words in the parenthesis are not from him but were added by the NBC/AP writers.)

The Iraqi police found the launch site from where today's rocket volley was fired. Its pictures tell a lot about how this fight will go on until the U.S. occupation forces leave Iraq.


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This is a fixed camouflaged position under a roof. It was probably built months if not years ago. The launcher cases were dug into the ground of some shed. They were already adjusted to the planned strike direction. To launch the rockets one had simply to clear the top of camouflage, pull up the rocket launcher from the front and set the height adjusting stick up. One man could do that within a few minutes. The electrical launch command would then come from remote by a wire or cellphone.

The setup of the position reminds one of similar positions the Lebanese Hizbullah has built in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. The people who set up this launch position in Iraq seem to have received some training from experienced staff.

If there is one well prepared positions aimed at Camp Taji how many others are there? Ten? One hundred? Or even a thousand? How many exist around other sites in Iraq where U.S. troops are stationed?

Previous strikes had come from mobile platforms. That the resistance in Iraq now revealed one of its fixed camouflaged launch sites is intentional. It is a warning to the U.S. to ponder about the above questions and potential consequences.

These secret launch sites are a real deterrence. In 2006 Israel attacked Hizbullah in Lebanon with the intention to disarm the group. But Hizbullah's defenses were stubborn and hundreds of rockets were fired each day against Israeli positions. Israeli bombers then tried to find the launch sites but those where hidden and not detectable from the air. In the end it was Israel which had to file for peace. Since then its forces have not dared to again enter Lebanon.

The U.S. in Iraq has no way to protect its troops from such unpredictable rocket volleys. It has no way deter or even win against the forces that are now working to evict it from Iraq as well as other places in the Middle East.

It should finally recognize that and leave.

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It would all seem silly and idiotic, if real people did not have to die and be maimed. There are only a few US soldiers in Iraq. If a sizable part of the population decides they are occupiers to be resisted, then the US has to leave. Or, send in a million soldiers to police every village, and pay off as many Iraqi's as possible to collaborate. It is not going to happen.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Mar 14 2020 16:57 utc | 1

As a former detective, you look for the criminal who had the motive (steal Iraqi oil, stay illegally in the country as a spoil to Iran and Syria, etc) the means to accomplish the task (ask your allies ISIS, isrehell, or the cia to fire the rockets) and the opportunity to do so (see the previous list of suspects). All of this points to the anglo zionist as the culprit. If you think along those lines, you will find who is most likely to have committed the crime. The only way to kick the US out is to raise the body count to an unacceptable number. Just remember that the US military killed 3 million Vietnamese and still lament the fact that 58,000 american soldiers died. The US will do it again if given the opportunity.
PS:If you think China had anything to do with Covid 19, you are wrong. WHo had the motive, means, and opportunity? The americans to stop China from being the largest superpower. They will do anything short of a hot war with China to stop them as the US collapses into the dustbin of history. Cheers!!

Posted by: Tonymike | Mar 14 2020 17:17 utc | 2

Thanks b, for the more in-depth coverage.

Imho, it's a drip, drip and waterboarding message; the attacks on US - Coalition forces will continue until a light bulb (if there is one) will switch on in Trumps's head. Or if Kelly-Anne whispers, he will u-turn just as with the COVID-19. First COVID-19 was "a hoax" and then 'OMG, markets crashed, it's real'?

Nothing can distract from the great depression ahead. Likely he'll do, as HK did, give each citizen $10,000 but there is nothing to buy. Forward buying, in the pandemic panic, most shelves are bare due the announced lockdowns and quarantines.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2020 17:22 utc | 3

The occupation of Iraq and the occupation of Syria will be ended with rockets and missiles blasting the foundations of security from under the US troops.

This is the advanced equivalent of the General Giap's artillery and the Viet Cong sappers that blasted the US troops out of VietNam.

The American Command are very slow learners. The American Public is years ahead of the Pentagon and Think Tanks who conceived these wars of chaos and corruptly socked away Trillions of tax dollars in MIC contracts and "disappearances" of the dollars amidst the fog of war and a subservient embedded media.

More blood will flow from the arteries and veins of Americans. But at some point, maybe sooner than we would imagine, Trump will have to end the carnage that the Iraqis and Syrians will inflict on his soldiers and contractors.

This is just the opening salvo.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Mar 14 2020 17:36 utc | 4

Here is one incentive to bring the troops home:

Trump Speaks in Favour of Refinancing US National Debt, Slams Fed Chairman for 'Bad Decisions'

[.] Speaking at a presser on the coronavirus threat, President Donald Trump switched to the topic of the economy, saying that he would like to refinance the US national debt, which currently exceeds $23.3 trillion.

"What I would like to do is, frankly, refinance our debt. We could refinance our debt very easily at a much lower rate. We have some tremendous opportunities right now", he said.[.]

rflmao. The rate is at 1.5%? Refinance $23 trillion!!! Term: 150 years.
Trump the dumbo but he has the expertise; just declare bankruptcy and bring the troops home.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2020 17:37 utc | 5

Initially I had thought the rocket attacks on US bases were sure to be Iraq militias, but with US always striking the border posts in response it is just as likely to be the US behind the strikes on their own bases perhaps via their ISIS proxies or some other cutout.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 14 2020 17:38 utc | 6

Thanks b for updated coverage of Iraq.

I agree with Tonymike #2 that it will take lots of persistence to get empire out of Iraq and the ME.

I also agree with Tonymike that empire does not play or fight fair as evidenced by the latest coronavirus invasion.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2020 17:39 utc | 7

Looking at the figures for Egyptians in KSA alone, the numbers there must already by huge.
This means no pilgrimage this year. Low oil, no pilgrims... are they going to sell all the toys they bought on second hand markets?
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/365238/Egypt/Politics-/UPDATED--new-coronavirus-cases-detected-among-Egyp.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Mar 14 2020 17:44 utc | 8

So when do they turn off the water and power to all these bases?

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | Mar 14 2020 17:49 utc | 9

There is an interview with Abbas Al-Zaidi, member of council of one of PMU groups, he raised a question : Is Trump using a biological warfare against PMU?

The interview is in Arabic.

"Al-Zaidi emphasized that the American and Israeli drones that bombed the sites may carry Corona virus in a biological war against the PMU. Why they hovered around the border area, several times bombed a petrol station without human casualties?"

Posted by: arata | Mar 14 2020 17:55 utc | 10

I wonder whether the Coronavirus crisis ( which I discard being a random natural event ) was not launched to keep the population in shock ( and at home ), and probable strong allies of Axis of Ressitance busy fighting the virus, while the US ( and allies ) launch a war on Iran/Iraq, and possibly also on Russia ( through the cover/alibi of Defender Europe 20 maneuvers )...

Amongst the strange signs, apart from the tranquility with which US and UK have taken the pandemic, I am finding curious today´s TV pannel programmed movies...
While everybody is at home under mandatory isolation, taking into account the more than probable stupefaction of the majority in face of the fast development of events, the first channel of public Spanish TV is broadcasting "No without my daughter"...

Why today?

Recall that Trump has demanded getting as much oil as possible while it is "cheap"..."Cheap", in Trump´s verbiage could well be considered an euphemism for stolen...and armies need a lot of oil to move...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Mar 14 2020 17:56 utc | 11

@Likklemore #5

If I have long term bonds or Tbills paying high rates why would I agree to refinance at a lower rate? Worse most of the organizations buying TBills etc are getting loans at even lower rates because the USG is throwing money at the banks as fast as they can so corporations can borrow for pretty well free and make a profit buying TBills requiring the govt to borrow more. The economy in the US is completely jacked.

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | Mar 14 2020 17:58 utc | 12

Bravo - good thoughts and investigation

Posted by: Dfnslblty | Mar 14 2020 18:05 utc | 13

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-causes-us-allies-cancel-military-exercises-around-world-1491830
Defender Europe 20 has been cancelled. They have cases in each and every army in the world by now. Initially reported and then not anymore.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 14 2020 18:13 utc | 14

It looks more and more like the US exit from Iraq is going to resemble our glorious flag waving exit from Saigon on April 29, 1975. What a grand spectacle that was! Well, the US of A has it coming. There's plenty of blame to go around. The US learned nothing from that war and I seriously doubt we anything from our experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. In fact I don't think we've learned anything anywhere. The stupidity in Washington DC is truly jaw-dropping. As Lord Acton said moe than 160 years ago: "Never underestimate the influence of stupidity on history."

Posted by: GeorgeV | Mar 14 2020 18:14 utc | 15

thanks b....

the usa will not be told to do anything - especially leave someone else's home and go about it willingly.... the usa is fucked in the head...

Posted by: james | Mar 14 2020 18:15 utc | 16

If there are any remaining doubts that the US Military is cowardly, insane and Quixotic, these events in Iraq should dispel them.
Who's surprised that Pax Americana was nothing more than Pathetica Americana with delusions of grandeur?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 14 2020 18:17 utc | 17

The neocons trying to control Trump are going to have a hard time this year because of the election. Trump knows his people voted for him because of his promises to get the troops back home. Of course the neocons want to build up more and more troops in Iraq or even split Iraq into 3 different countries. The Iraqi and Iranian leaders with the Syrians to a lesser degree will try to take advantage of Trump's dilemma. The Kurds are involved also. This is all explored by Pam Ho How Much Do You Suck (To lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein)

Posted by: Kali | Mar 14 2020 18:26 utc | 18

- The US knows it "influence" is waning and tries to "carve out" a sunni "rump state" in North-West Iraq. First the US fights ISIS in that same area/region from the year 2014 onwards and now they are supposed to fight in FAVOUR of the sunnis/ISIS ?

"US seeking to carve out Sunni state as its influence in Iraq wanes"

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-seeking-carve-out-sunni-state-its-influence-iraq-wanes

- Some politicians are recognizing that the killing of Qassam Sulemani has weakened the US position in the Middle East.

"Killing Soleimani made US 'weaker' in Middle East, US senator says".

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/killing-soleimani-made-us-weaker-middle-east-us-senator-says

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 14 2020 18:32 utc | 19

We could see around 10 Dien Bien Phu battles in Iraq if the US army decide to do not leave and continue bombing the Iraq military. The result will be the same, a defeat of lègionaires and the expelling of the US forces completely from Iraq forever. After Iraq, the Syrian garrison will leave also.

The shockwaves of this will be immense in the ME, and again the US will start arming to the teeth the ISIS "freedom fighters" in Iraq, as usual, but it will change nothing

Posted by: DFC | Mar 14 2020 18:35 utc | 20

Wishing the Iraqis gods speed in driving the illegal occupiers from their land, and establishing sovereignty and the right to
decide for themselves how they want to live.

As always,thanks b....

Posted by: ben | Mar 14 2020 18:50 utc | 21

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | Mar 14 2020 17:58 utc | 12

If I have long term bonds or Tbills paying high rates why would I agree to refinance at a lower rate?

Previous was 1.75% Actual fed funds rate 1--1.25 % @ March 3. March 18th expected lower.

However, it's a small club and you ain't in it. These are TPTB .gov instruments and you do not have a say. But you can hang in there, not surrender and wait the first Meeting of Creditors" - to mount your protest.
On a Sunday evening there may be a diktat -- a few zeros added to a $1.00 bill and you now have a $billion note. /s

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2020 18:58 utc | 22

H.Schmatz 11
Yesterday, YouTube suggested a video about the movie Andromeda Strain.

Posted by: Curtis | Mar 14 2020 18:59 utc | 23

This won't be any Vietnam. Trump has been gearing up for the oil since he first took office. Armageddon may be a closer match, depending on how far the Iraqis and Iran are willing to take it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 14 2020 19:12 utc | 24

Red Ryder | Mar 14 2020 | 4 - Just wondering if, in the course of resisting an occupying force, DC "Think Tanks" would be a legitimate target for Iraqi Forces?

Posted by: Enrico Malatesta | Mar 14 2020 19:15 utc | 25

Red Ryder | Mar 14 2020 17:36 utc | 4 (Giap and DBP...you do realize, I am sure, that @ DBP Johnson was almost persuaded to use atomic munitions...but not everybody remembers. He was. Similar Truman/Korea.


Under the present intrepid and inspired leadership one might expect...ah..well...

Wally recalls that the guy who bailed out and left his crew to die (B41) used to joke with his idiot son (B43) about "fodder units"...

Wally always reckoned that Imperial expeditions of soldiers amounted to meat as bait on a hook.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 14 2020 19:33 utc | 26

Well, US is welcome in Iraq as much as Wehrmacht was in Ukraine, and current situation is just about after Stalingrad battle when only direction they went is back.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 14 2020 19:35 utc | 27

@Likklemore #5
You said:

just declare bankruptcy and bring the troops home.

Given that 2/3rds or more of the debt is owed to Americans - principally Social Security, but also pensions funds and what not - I don't think declaring bankruptcy on the US national debt is the panacea you think it is.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 14 2020 19:36 utc | 28

@BraveNewWorld #12
You said:

If I have long term bonds or Tbills paying high rates why would I agree to refinance at a lower rate?

Nobody has a better credit rating than the USG - because the USG can literally not default. There are few, if any real long term 30 year bonds from companies. And lastly, the majority of corporate debt is junk grade these days - pensions funds and what not are literally not allowed to invest in these "low grade" type of bonds.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 14 2020 19:40 utc | 30

It appears that the US is doubling down on their Iraq position. Patriot missiles and two carrier battle groups (Eisenhower and Truman) have been sent to the Gulf region.

Posted by: Ian2 | Mar 14 2020 19:44 utc | 31

arata 29
Rueters had a piece on it which I linked in the last Iraq thread. Total yank arrogance and exceptionalism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-usa-iran-retaliation-mi/iraq-condemns-u-s-air-strikes-warns-of-consequences-idUSKBN2101AD?il=0
"“These locations that we struck are clear locations of terrorist bases,” said Marine General Kenneth McKenzie, head of the U.S. military’s Central Command.

“If Iraqis were there and if Iraqi military forces were there, I would say it’s probably not a good idea to position yourself with Kataib Hezbollah in the wake of a strike that killed Americans and coalition members,” he told a Pentagon news briefing."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 14 2020 19:50 utc | 32

It should finally recognize that and leave. /Sarcasm...

Did someone really write this about US?

These losers never learn. They scorch anything that resists and leave it a pile of burning ash. Thats it. Their deterrence works for a while but their behaviour is worse than the democracy bombs that fall on you. They have never changed tactics in hundreds of years. It worked in exterminating the native americans and close to 50 mil people.. But they sure have not learnt.

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Mar 14 2020 19:54 utc | 33

...as Gulliver is lashed to the beach...

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Mar 14 2020 19:54 utc | 34

The buried rocket kits b posted pictures of in his essay - and his description of them and their history - all that must imply...?

It's terrible to contemplate, but while the builders did do a nice clean job of making the kits one cannot fail to realize that these kits are simple, and cheap...and would do as well in almost any similar circumstance, say, near Seattle... I hate to see it, but it's there, is it not?

Such an obvious fact ought to make the fatboy fascists think twice, but it won't.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 14 2020 20:25 utc | 35

Peter AU1 | Mar 14 2020 19:50 utc | 32
Thanks for your comment.
It is better to watch and listen his long 38 m long press conference in the link @29 I have given from Centom website. See his swollen eyes, drugged face. He wishes corona virus disable Iran leadership. He means bio-warfare is effective for his aim.
Trump's general has done a fantastic JOB! and Fantastic press conference.

Posted by: arata | Mar 14 2020 20:37 utc | 36

@14: "As of Thursday, a day after President Donald Trump announced a 30-day suspension of all travel from Europe, the scaled-down Defender-Europe 20 exercise remained on."

Posted by: Imagine | Mar 14 2020 21:12 utc | 37

MacKenzie needs serious help-he is demented.

He spoke at a warmongers conference at Foundation for Defense of Democracies (sic), a very rabid and demented anti-iran think tank funded by adelson, et al. It is no surprise that this "leader" is lobbying for his next position with FDD, as mcmaster has now. But what the hell, keeping the wars going is good for the career and the bank book.

Posted by: Thomas Minnehan | Mar 14 2020 21:19 utc | 38

@26 . Walter

DPH was the French battle, 1953. Eisenhower refused to do anything, much less nuke the Vietnamese to save the French, who ultimately had to surrender and leave their colony in SE Asia.

Johnson dealt with Khe Sahn. The Marines were trapped and General Giap kept moving in closer and closer his artillery.
US used bombing to hold back the NAV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eBFsCsMRoo

You might be mixing the two.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Mar 14 2020 21:21 utc | 39

Red Ryder | Mar 14 2020 21:21 utc | 38 You're quite right. I did.

Nevertheless the important idea was/is that Johnson supposedly considered rescue via n bomb came out later after KS. Yes, zero nuke 1953 at DPU, you are correct. My error. Whatever he was, Lyndon was smart. I dunno 'bout dez guyz...

The point being that such a buncha clown as these fatboys might well use such gadgets if their army is under siege in kettles all over Iraq...force a retreat like this...dangerous.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 14 2020 21:37 utc | 40

Despite Trump the Iraq policy transcends his administration and will continue in some form in the future. There will be a continued presence in some form and in some part of the country. Our beloved ally in the region demands our presence.

They smartly keep the presence small with no draft remembering that is what took them out of Nam. An angry draft worthy populace, a counter culture disillusioned with the murder of their liberal anti war leadership by the state, and ample media coverage of the war carnage.

All of that is long gone, and even with the age of internet reporting the populace has been bought off with entertainment, amazon, porn, and bullshit.

Posted by: dltravers | Mar 14 2020 21:40 utc | 41

The Vietnamese drove the U.S. out by inflicting "unacceptable" (to the American public and ultimately politicians) U.S. casualties. Hardly anybody in American gave a fuck about Vietnamese casualties.

Same shit, different day, although now I'd wager even the relatively small (but increasing) numbers of U.S. casualties in Iraq will actually influence American public opinion and worry head warmongers in charge. As back in the day, few in America give a fuck about Iraqi (or any other foreign) casualties inflicted by a rampaging U.S. empire.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2020 21:54 utc | 42

USA has failed to achieve its stated goals in Iraq and elsewhere?
USA fails to learn from decades of mistakes?
US military and US State Department are incompetent?

Or maybe their goals are not the stated goals, these are not failures, and the results were (largely) intentional.

One success perhaps has been the removal of millions of barrels of oil from the market (since at least 1990), priming the pump for US shale. And other achievements.

I suspect they're really very good at what they do, even if what they do isn't very good.

Posted by: L. Cassandro | Mar 14 2020 22:08 utc | 43

27;Well.some of the Werhmacht? will still be remembered.

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 14 2020 22:15 utc | 44

@c1ue 28 and 30

Given that 2/3rds or more of the debt is owed to Americans

suggest you whisper that to the Chinese, other sovereign holders and non-US individuals - you know those Tbills and Tbonds.

Nobody has a better credit rating than the USG - because the USG can literally not default.
Really? Why did S&P downgrade US credit rating in 2014?
and
what do you think happened on August 15 1971? that date can be categorized as recent!
LINK


[.]
While it is still popular to claim that the United States has never defaulted on its debt, this is a myth. The US has been forced to default a couple of times throughout history, the last of which being when Richard Nixon&rsquo closed the gold window. By cutting the ability of foreign governments to redeem US dollars for gold, America was allowed to pay back past debt with devalued fiat money. This form of default has long been a popular option for governments with debt obligations it can’t or won’t honor.

Of course, as Peter Klein wrote last week, even Trump’s suggestion of the US restructuring its debt isn’t the doomsday scenario CNBC talking heads have made it out to be, noting that:

[T]he idea that the US can never restructure or even repudiate the national debt — that US Treasuries must always be treated as a unique and magical "risk-free" investment — is wildly speculative at best, preposterous at worst.

Murray Rothbard himself advocated for outright repudiating the national debt, arguing:

The government is an organization, so why not liquidate the assets of that organization and pay the creditors (the government bondholders) a pro-rata share of those assets? This solution would cost the taxpayer nothing, and, once again, relieve him of $200 billion in annual interest payments. The United States government should be forced to disgorge its assets, sell them at auction, and then pay off the creditors accordingly.

Trump himself has even touched on the possibility of selling of assets held by the Federal government as a form of debt reduction.[.]

Oops then there was 1979 said caused by word-processing error
so we defaulted on some of them."

c1ue dear friend, the current level of US debt is unsustainable. Never mind the happy cheerleaders promoting mighty U.S. is the wealthiest nation on earth. Have no fear our dollar is good as gold, backed by the full faith and credit of Uncle Sam.

Here is a brief history of U.S.defaults starting with year 1790-LINK

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2020 22:42 utc | 45

Trisha
It was the the US grunts who ended the war by refusing to go on patrol and fragging those officers who forced them to go.
It was the insurrection from within which was caused by the pressure exerted by the Vietnamese that made the US withdraw.
It was only by withdrawing that the US could stop the insurrection.

Posted by: peterbro | Mar 14 2020 22:44 utc | 46

None of this is a mistake or incompetence on the part of the Pentagon. They know full well what they're doing. They're contributing to Iraq being a failed state, which increases the likelihood of terrorist such as ISIS re-emerging, which contributes to increasing the presence of US troops in Iraq, which contributes to preparations for the upcoming war with Iran (which is already decided upon to happen, only question is when and how), and at the very least enables a continued ramping up of propaganda against Iran to prepare "justifications" for the upcoming war both before and after the war.

Just like Iraq was accused of having WMDs to "justify" that war, then the justifications changed after no WMD were found to "Saddam was a bad guy", so Iran is being accused of having a nuclear weapons program, then after the war with Iran the justification will be "Iran killed US troops in Iraq." They've been pushing that narrative all during the Iraq war. This is just a continuation.

So all this is quite deliberate on the part of the neocons and the Pentagon. There are no mistakes or incompetence.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2020 22:57 utc | 47

Trisha @ 41

The Vietnamese drove the U.S. out by inflicting "unacceptable" (to the American public and ultimately politicians) U.S. casualties. Hardly anybody in American gave a fuck about Vietnamese casualties.

Having lived through that era I have to disagree in part. Almost everyone gave a fuck. Soldiers coming home could not wear their uniforms. Those that did were called baby killers. Most soldiers returning were spit upon, chased down, and attacked verbally and physically.

We are now in the "thank you for your service" era. No one gives a fuck in today's era. Oh the power of the media to twist the minds of the feebly under educated.

A people who have had their history stolen from them is a conquered people. - John Judge

Posted by: dltravers | Mar 14 2020 23:00 utc | 48

Parliamentary demand<=unanimous<=all foreign military forces out of Iraq,

did I miss something? hidden in that demand is that only military forces are to be excluded so the world's largest money laundering operation. <==remains or falls with the punches??


Posted by: snake | Mar 14 2020 23:22 utc | 49

Richard Steven Hack 46

Afghanistan was invaded because the US decided the wanted Bin Laden - Afghanistan protecting al Qaeda ect.
Trump admin pushing the theme that Iran is behind all the islamic terror - state sponsor of terrorism ect so that will be the meme for the attack.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 14 2020 23:41 utc | 50

@
dltravers | Mar 14 2020 23:00 utc | 47 (spit)

I do not recall any abuse toward the guys repatriating. My recollection is that we at home were sympathetic... I realize that my point of view does not seem to accord with the canon. Perhaps I was naive. Or maybe itz ma kurptquakerblud...did you actually see "spit" etc yourself?

I agree with above, the mutiny and the domestic did the job - but at such a cost! Martin, Bobby, Malcolm, and all the rest...

I saw a North Vietnam Flag in 1969 Los Angeles - roped as polit-decor over the entrance to the house of a superior court judge for a party...

His daughter was a babe! (and Wally didn't, but he woudda)

Posted by: Walter | Mar 14 2020 23:49 utc | 51

peterbro @ 45
Insurrection was certainly a factor, but not decisive. By the 1970s (my era) commanders were explicitly ordered to reduce U.S. casualties on combat ops while transitioning to Nixon's "Vietnamization" and "Peace With Honor" - even to the ridiculous point of rationing ammunition to my unit! Yes there were "insurrections" among REMFs, but out in the field such behavior was rare.

dltravers @ 47
When I got home (1974) nobody made much of a fuss about my service. Not that I wore my uniform anywhere. There was a rabid minority who spit on soldiers, etc., but the general tone I experienced was glad you're home safe and that the war is winding down. Very little about how awful for the Vietnamese ...

The NVA knew that it was increasing U.S. troop casualties that would ultimately decide things no matter how many Vietnamese were casualties. They took it on the chin in the '68 Tet offensive, although I doubt they anticipated how hard that would be. Nonetheless, they knew they would take heavy casualties.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 15 2020 0:17 utc | 53

Question to b or anyone else who knows: when has the iraqi parliament or the iraqi government ever told the US to leave?

After Suleimani there was a resolution by the parliament, yes, but it was a non-binding resolution. That means it has no force, no standing, no meaning whatsoever. It's what a parliament does when it wants to be seen doing something without actually doing it. Posturing for the plebs on the street.
Same for the government: when has it ever actually formally handed a note or notified the US government it is not welcome anymore. Not some useless public posturing in the media but actually internationally legally binding official note? If you know of such an occasion please provide a source.

For this reason I don't think the US is an illegally occopying force in Iraq. Throwing the US out will not happen and can not happen either. The iraqi politician need the US to keep their money train running and if the US army would be thrown out, then Iraq would be put under sanctions. The country would not survive that. It would simply implode. All the current politicians of Iraq are there on the suffering of the US only.

Posted by: Question to b | Mar 15 2020 0:29 utc | 54

@43

Parallel is IMO very interesting, Wehrmacht occupying Ukraine and US occupying Iraq. In both cases there was minority that welcomed occupier with open arms, wanting to oppress majority of own country folks due to earlier grievances. In both cases, invader didn't want to bother with using that minority to own goals, as they saw them all as inferior race. And invader was in both cases more interested in conquering more powerful neighbor to the east.

Irony is that, if Nazi Germany/US didn't look at Ukraine/Iraq people as inferior race they could use them for own goal to fight Russia/Iran. But, dumb as they are, they stuck all those Ukrainians into camps(lot of them sympathizers to Germany/rabidly against Russia)/ disbanding ex. Saddam's army and made kernel of future anti US force into region, not to mention Kurdish question.


Posted by: Abe | Mar 15 2020 0:39 utc | 55

53 Snake put up a link back up the thread.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/14/620858/Iraq-military-demands-foreign-forces-swiftly-withdraw-following-US-air-raids
"Iraqi lawmakers unanimously approved a bill on January 5, demanding the withdrawal of all foreign military forces..."

"Later on January 9, former Iraqi prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi called on the United States to dispatch a delegation to Baghdad tasked with formulating a mechanism for the move.

According to a statement released by his office at the time, Abdul-Mahdi “requested that delegates be sent to Iraq to set the mechanisms to implement the parliament's decision for the secure withdrawal of (foreign) forces from Iraq” in a phone call with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo."

US in response moved to a few bases they intended to occupy and give the two finger salute to Iraq. Trump threatened sanctions and theft of Iraq's oil money which is in the US. Pentagon now moving patriots in.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2020 0:39 utc | 56

@ 53 question - well that's bullshit.. pull your head out of the usa msm... i suppose you think the usa was in vietnam legally as well? fucking usa and its sense of legality is such an embarrassment to the world, it is beyond belief and there is nothing legal about many of its acts on the world stage..

Posted by: james | Mar 15 2020 0:49 utc | 57

@Trisha | Mar 15 2020 0:17 utc | 52

Stop w/that bullshit propagenda... there was never anyone spit on... that old trope is worn out.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 15 2020 0:56 utc | 58

George W. Bush had the 1918 Flu victims dug up in the Arctic. They were then transferred to University of Washington in Seattle. The idea was to make the virus George W. Bushmore virulent.

Does anyone wonder if the Corona virus could be connected?

The US is illegally occuping Iraq and Syria, does anyone note this, outside of MoA readers and the like?

Posted by: F.R. | Mar 15 2020 1:09 utc | 59

Free Syrian Army Deserter Reveals How the U.S. Sent Fighters to Idlib to Carry Out Sabotage and Intimidate the Population
https://syria360.wordpress.com/2020/03/14/free-syrian-army-deserter-reveals-how-the-u-s-sent-fighters-to-idlib-to-carry-out-sabotage-and-intimidate-the-population/

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 15 2020 1:17 utc | 60

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 14 2020 23:41 utc | 49
Peter,
Richard Steven Hack 46, our out work computer operator out of San fran has been predicting war on Iran for nearly a decade on other sites – (by ‘the end of’ such year style) by the end of 2020, I would imagine, would be his next guess.

What one such person has to describe is the day after the first bullet flies.
If the empire had 8 hour notice and still had over a hundred “head injuries”, with soldiers cowering in bunkers, instead of being OUT defending their bases, how will they react when she-ite (sometime sunni) hit the fan real time?

Also, how will ships, bases, defend when the barrage of rockets are giving people “head injuries?” How will they defend against rockets that were, let me see if I can find a metaphor, oh, parked between two cars, or, threaded the needle? Can anyone say terminal guidance?

Iran has patiently been routing the empire out of SE Asia.
Will US risk the entire planet achieve its goal, as this can only end in use of nukes?
What’s that afghan saying? “They’ve got the watches, we’ve got the time. “
As Zarif said, US better start packing up.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 15 2020 1:36 utc | 61

F.R.@58:

Everyone knows what the US is doing in Syria is illegal. IIRC, there was a hot mic moment between John Kerry and some other diplomat.

Posted by: Ian2 | Mar 15 2020 1:42 utc | 62

Uncle $cam @ 57
You're right, spitting on return Vets is a propaganda trope. Doesn't change my reflection on my experience coming home nor general American popular indifference to Vietnamese casualties.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 15 2020 1:59 utc | 63

@55 Peter AU1
Again. This was the non-binding resolution.Nothing actual with power behind it. Also as in your article, the iraqi prime minister.
"requested that delegates be sent to Iraq to set the mechanisms to implement the parliament's decision for the secure withdrawal"

He requests, pretty please won't you please do what I say. He doesn't throw them out, he begs them to come so they can, maybe, in a few years, maybe not leave. If they so please.

There is no force, law or anything behind this. This is all posturing to make sure it doesn't accomplish anything. And nowhere has the prime minister ever uttered "the request for US military aid is null and void. Either you leave in 90 days from now or you are forcefully expelled." There is nothing official, only press releases for the media. Press releases however have no force of law, no internationally recognized treaty power. Nothing.

Posted by: Question to b | Mar 15 2020 2:11 utc | 64

....just a stupid comment
That still means some
Thing:
Because of quarentining, the rate of influensa death should fall.
Imaginke if the post cv 19 culture decides social distancing should continue....

Posted by: James joseph | Mar 15 2020 2:13 utc | 65

@ 63 question.. you like this usa style bullshit that buys politicians in iraq and when that doesn't work, they go on to the next attempt at installing a politician willing to agree to their bullshite? interesting bullshit concept of democracy if you ask me... everything has a price tag and honour is something you can pick up at the grocery store... right..

Posted by: james | Mar 15 2020 2:25 utc | 66

you probably think usas war on iraq in 2003 was legal as well... fucked up...

Posted by: james | Mar 15 2020 2:26 utc | 67

just start with the first lie and go from their... usa / uk lied the world into going to war on iraq... and from their the lies just keep on getting stacked.. if you can't acknowledge the first lie, you probably are incapable of recognizing all the other lies that have been thrown on the same bullshit pile... one big pile of lies and bullshite - a specialty of the exceptional country..

Posted by: james | Mar 15 2020 2:36 utc | 68

63
US has been officially asked to leave by the prime minister of Iraq following a resolution. US president in person responded with threats.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2020 2:40 utc | 69

Question to b @53: ... it was a non-binding resolution.

It's "non-binding" on USA only because the Prime Minister conducts foreign policy and there's no current written basing agreement between Iraq and USA that can be terminated. The resolution demands that the Prime Minister arrange for the departure of US troops.

The resolution is binding on the Prime Minister because it was a valid vote in accordance with Iraqi Parliamentary procedure.

USA refused to discuss leaving Iraq and claimed that the Parliamentary vote was "non-binding" because it was unrepresentative (USA got their Sunni and Kurd sympathizers to boycott the vote). But Parliament still had a quorum, so the vote is legal and binding.

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Is it enforceable?

USA/NATO are very unlikely to leaving willingly. We are seeing the start of a civil war in Iraq because most Sunnis and Kurds support USA/NATO remaining while Shia want USA/NATO to leave.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 15 2020 2:43 utc | 70

63
you wouldn't happen to be that red and purple faced marine with the matching red stilettos that's been hanging around the butt end of the last few threads. Changed his username as often as sexual orientation but I think he started off as comrade P.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2020 2:45 utc | 71

I was in the U. S. Army from 1966 to 1969. Spent the majority of my time (2yr.) on Okinawa & RVN. When I came home in early 1969, in uniform, NO ONE I encountered ever had a cross word, nor spit on me. Maybe it happened to someone, but, IMO, it was very rare, if in fact it ever happened.

Posted by: ben | Mar 15 2020 3:40 utc | 72

@ben 71

I wish you a long life, a time will come every one include you will spit on the uniform that is a the worst disaster to the earth.

Posted by: Arata | Mar 15 2020 4:49 utc | 73

@ 72; I do now Arata. When we're young, we're easily fooled into believing lies. Thank the fates for maturity, although some never gain wisdom through maturity. My eyes were opened before I left the service when I joined the VVAW (viet nam veterans against the war).

Posted by: ben | Mar 15 2020 5:38 utc | 74

It's gonna be okay... W eare saved!

While the sheep fight over toilet paper and hand sanitizer, the tax payers hand over 1.5 trillion to wall street.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 15 2020 0:13 utc | 51

To a layman me, what Fed is doing is both simple and puzzling. Fed is supposed to sell something that to me sounds like Tbilisi municipal bonds (Tbilisi is the capital city of Georgia in Caucasus region). But apparently, not enough buyers, so Fed will sell those Tbilisi bonds to itself. But that would not look too well for some reason, so Fed will "lend money" to the buyers. Effectively, this is Fed buying, "buyers" just providing their names and getting the spread. So it looks like a pretty expensive piece of lipstick.

Thinking about it, Fed should use corona viruses, lend them money, viruses would buy T-bills, they would pocket the spread, so human would be affected by viruses only financially.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 15 2020 5:49 utc | 75

@Abe 54

Parallel is IMO very interesting, Wehrmacht occupying Ukraine and US occupying Iraq. In both cases there was minority that welcomed occupier with open arms, wanting to oppress majority of own country folks due to earlier grievances.

You are talking nonsense. The Shia of Iraq, who make up the majority of the population, as a whole didn’t “welcome the occupier with open arms” but most were happy to see Saddam go and for a while tolerated the occupier’s presence. Some of the Shia leadership and the ulema collaborated with the “coalition” but a majority wanted the US to get out of Iraq ASAP after Saddam fell. When this didn’t happen a resistance was organized, the most well known being Moqtada al Sadr’s Mehdi Army.

The sectarian division and animosity happened as a result of three things. Firstly, the “coalition” disbanded not just the Iraqi military but the entire Baathist government and civil service. Overnight everyone from garbage collectors to high-ranking Baathist officials were kicked to the unemployment curb. They then flew in a bunch of corrupt and thieving Iraqi expats (most of them Shi’ites) to run the colonial government. Because Saddam was Sunni, the “coalition” openly, at least initially, favored the Shia. This created a lot of tension between the two sects as the Sunni felt like they were collectively punished for Saddam’s abuses.

Secondly, when al-Qaeda hijacked the Sunni resistance they started blowing up Shia mosques and aggressively flaming sectarian tension. (Interestingly enough bin Laden told the AQIQ leader Abu Musab al Zarkawi to stop slaughtering Shi’ites but he was ignored. AQIQ later became ISIS). This began a tit for tat sectarian slaughter that drove a huge wedge between the two communities.

Lastly, the “coalition” wanted to keep Iraq weak so they took a leaf from the French colonial playbook in Lebanon and deliberately structured the Iraqi government along sectarian lines (Sunni, Kurds, Shia) thus baking in sectarian squabbling and keeping the government unstable.

Posted by: Daniel | Mar 15 2020 6:45 utc | 76

Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2020 2:45 utc | 70 (Comrade P)

Wally gave "Paul B" that nick-name, I believe. I used to tease the x-jarheads when I worked (not very hard) for the army...they change colors. "Comrade P" was going on about bravery and hoo-ha stuff...

"Comrade" (thanks to Mark Sleboda's twitter) is the gender-neutral pronoun, isn't it? Just in case there's doubt about the the guy wearing "a dress" (a disguise).

I assume everybody knows about the jarhead and the Leprechaun and what happened in the head, it's an old joke. Probably the Romans had a version...

..................

Forcing a retreat is a very dangerous enterprise...it's important to insure that the enemy has the option of leaving. That's a political agenda, not a military one alone.

Wally doubts that the political ground exists for the US to leave Iraq. And he is watching the domestic US scene for indications that the retreat may become politically possible. Nothing so far....

It actually looks more like the US designs to expand the war to direct fire on Iran as well as Iraqi forces, what with 2 carriers on station and those nifty-keen "mininukes" on SLBM in submarine.

SLBM would probably pass though AD...that's probably the only reason to mount 'em... The Iranian underground centrifuges ad so forth.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 15 2020 7:16 utc | 77

@70 Peter AU1
You have disqualified yourself in this discussion with the ad hominem. You have no arguments so you use insults. Go and die in a ditch.
No, I am no marine or whatever. I'm a european, actually I'm from the same place b is.
Next time look at how jackrabbit answers which is an actual answer with reasoned arguments and everything.

@69 so even if it is a real law: does Iraq have some public organ where laws have to be published, signed by the president, etc. where one can actually look it up. At least that's the way it has to be in most of Europe and the US to be binding. Tho that would probably be in arabic which we westerners can't read :(

Anyways: even if it's legal and enforceable, the prime minister isn't actually doing anything since he and many others depend on the USA. No occupation, no more money train. Worse: sanctions. The Iraq would not survive sanctions for amonth, it would crumble and change to the infamous map from the Pentagon after 9/11, where there was Kurdistan, arab Sunnistan, etc. on today's area of Iraq.

So right now the US can easily ignore it all since it's a inner-iraqi conflict between legislative and executive government. Nothing to do with US forces: they have to resolve their conflict and until the Prime minister actually takes steps, like real diplomatic notes with ultimatum, isolation of US bases, formal eviction of diplomats and embassy closing etc. they can simply ignore it all. They have international law on their side the way they behave now. One might not like it but that's how it is.
It's not like Syria where the US is clearly illegally.

Posted by: Question to b | Mar 15 2020 7:29 utc | 78

#GeorgeV

Ours was not a "flag waving exit" from Nam. The bulk of our forces were orderly withdrawn much earlier after a military victory over the North. We wiped out the VC in Tet of '68.

The leftist Democrats in Congress were more than happy to throw our victory away in order to milk Watergate for every partisan, treasonous advantage over Nixon they could. The NVA were cowed by Nixon and his fall brought about great suffering and death in Vietnam and Cambodia.

Read Frank Snepp's book before you write such nonsense again.

Moreover it is not a question of the US learning nothing from its Vietnam experience. The problem is that the US is controlled by Jewish wealth and we therefore fight to achieve Israel's objective of creating chaos everywhere in its vicinity. The US has zero interests to protect in Iraq and Syria.

Posted by: Col. Bunny | Mar 15 2020 7:39 utc | 79

Isn't it about time all countries across the planet told the americans to get out of their countries - that would show 'em!!

Posted by: bob | Mar 15 2020 7:53 utc | 80

"We wiped out the VC in Tet of '68."

That's to say murdered most VC and a lot of other people. The marine I heard that from (enlisted 2 tours) actually did wind up wearing a dress, for a while - too much meth and libido changes. He was a gun nut as well.

I think he's a guy again, but it's been a very long time. He might be gone.

........

Kissinger quoth something about a decent interval between leaving and the rape of the first virgin...yes, mostly an orderly retreat, except for the race riots at the mess hall.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 15 2020 7:56 utc | 81

"The Iraqi police found the launch site from where today's rocket volley was fired."

Looking at the photo above of the site used for that attack I wonder why there is no sign of black scorching normally caused by the back blast of the rocket exhaust. I very much doubt that this attack was initiated from the site at the photo. That site is far too clean and there is no discoloration of the launch tubes.

Posted by: JR | Mar 15 2020 8:23 utc | 82

JR 82

Does look to be a bit of blackening around the mouth of the launch tubes but no cratering of the loose soil behind the launchers. Not initiator or trigger wiring there either.

These look to be lager than 107mm rockets when they are setting them up, but it shows the back blast on launch.
https://youtu.be/CeJ5lPJ1tDQ?t=533

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2020 8:51 utc | 83

Wally picked a good enough nickname for it. Easier than trying to keep up with the constant name changes. Comrade P it is.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2020 8:59 utc | 84

Posted by: Daniel | Mar 15 2020 6:45 utc | 76

Nonsense is your reply, read again. I didn't write "majority:, you did. You also even quoted my part where I wrote "minority".

Posted by: Abe | Mar 15 2020 9:06 utc | 85

The bulk of our forces were orderly withdrawn much earlier after a military victory over the North. We wiped out the VC in Tet of '68.

The leftist Democrats in Congress were more than happy to throw our victory away in order to milk Watergate for every partisan

Posted by: Col. Bunny | Mar 15 2020 7:39 utc | 79

C'mon Bunny another version of the "Stab in the Back" à la Ludendorff and the Nazis used to "explain" the defeat of Germany in 1918? Yeah, I know, that is the way warmonger institutions, as the US Army and Marines, prepared for the next round of war crimes.

Last time I see how the VietNam War ended I saw some NV T-54 tanks breaking the walls of the US embassy in Ho Chi Minh City and the yanks scaping from the roof in crowded helicos in a nice "orderly retreat".

The NVA + VC achieve every and all of their political and military objectives and US Army none (if they had any, apart from mass-napalm the country)

Posted by: DFC | Mar 15 2020 9:21 utc | 86

Thanks b. This demonstrates how NATO will be forced to leave Iraq and Syria. hit and run attacks which cannot be defended against. It is game over

Posted by: James | Mar 15 2020 9:30 utc | 87

It was all entirely predictable (and predicted). It was a classical Trumpian lash-out at any suitable target in revenge. But when you bomb your supposed allies and their armed forces, you shouldn't expect things to go well. Whether Iraq can force the US out, of course remains doubtful, but you can only expect popular resistance attacks (without government approval) on US bases to increase, and I'm sure militia leaders will be only too ready to pass the necessary weaponry under the table, even if they're not participating themselves.

Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 15 2020 9:39 utc | 88

Posted by: Col. Bunny | Mar 15 2020 7:39 utc | 79

We know usa works for zionism..even the stones know it but the greedy yankees want cheaper oil and many many gadgets to be deployed you know..brothers of illegal occupations and wars will never be two different things.Get a reason for it.

Posted by: LuBa | Mar 15 2020 9:58 utc | 89

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/14/620858/Iraq-military-demands-foreign-forces-swiftly-withdraw-following-US-air-raids

Parliamentary demand<=unanimous<=all foreign military forces out of Iraq, <=did I miss something? hidden in that demand is that only it only covers military forces so everyone else, include the world's largest money laundering operation will remain. by: snake see @ 49

USA/NATO are very unlikely to leaving willingly. We are seeing the start of a civil war in Iraq because most Sunnis and Kurds support USA/NATO remaining while Shia want USA/NATO to leave. !! by: Jackrabbit @ 70

The civil war Jackrabbit projects will try to form NE Syria and NW Iraq into a new different nation separate from Syria and Iraq<=new nation name= Gateway from hell to hell? Its purpose to keep Iran from having land access to Syria..and to give Turkey military access to NW Iraq. The big question in this is will Russia or China get involved.. I think Putin will not allow Gateway to happen.. and every day I see the Chinese with more control in Iraq. If the western powers cannot make or keep Gateway it will lose its managerial control over access.


Posted by: snake | Mar 15 2020 10:21 utc | 90

We are seeing the start of a civil war in Iraq because most Sunnis and Kurds support USA/NATO remaining while Shia want USA/NATO to leave.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 15 2020 2:43 utc | 70

No, that's inaccurate, and simplistic. Very doubtful the Sunnis are pro-American. You've probably forgotten that US troops ground bloodily through Sunni communities, first in Falluja, and then again during the Surge, on the Euphrates. Trumpians imagine that it'll be easy to set up a Sunni state - that's just unicorn territory though. Whatever the sufferings of Sunnis (and they are real), they'll be cool, like 0°C, on supporting the US plans. The Kurds are out of it, they've got their own KRG territory, and they've withdrawn from other interventions in Baghdad affairs. I really don't know why I have to repeat this stuff, it's the same as was predicted here on MoA weeks ago, only more so now that the predicted model of attacks on US bases turned out to be right.

Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 15 2020 11:32 utc | 91

Many Americans regard themselves as exceptional, remember Obama saying he felt American exceptionalism in every fibre of his body, this hubris manifests itself in thinking you have the best military and hardware etc, John Wayne was an exceptional actor that's true, but he did not defeat the Vietnamese as depicted in the film 'The Green Berets'. The Iraqis like the Vietnamese are going to have to suffer a lot in the coming struggle, unfortunately there is no other way, unless they are willing to be US slaves.

Posted by: Harry law | Mar 15 2020 12:21 utc | 92

The American insanity that I often speak about is perfectly exemplified by the insistence that the Iraqi request that America get its military out requires some specific forms be completed and a 250 word essay written on why they want Americans to leave before it counts. To say that Americans are the most boorish guests in human history is a dramatic understatement.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 15 2020 13:02 utc | 93

@ Question to b | Mar 15 2020 0:29 utc | 54

Yes you are correct:
- Resolution requesting US to leave was non-binding
- If the US if forced to leave, they will sanction Iraq

So I take your point that US is an imperial distructive force.

Posted by: jared | Mar 15 2020 13:45 utc | 94

Laguerre @91:

No, that's inaccurate, and simplistic. Very doubtful the Sunnis are pro-American.

It's more complicated than I wrote. I thought about writing more but didn't have time.

USA's fight with Iran has made it favor Sunnis:

US seeking to carve out Sunni state as its influence in Iraq wanes.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 15 2020 14:23 utc | 95

Thanks for the update, B.
Can't wait for your upcoming Corona virus piece! I hope soon?
Anyway, the only way this ends is the fall of US empire
My question is, what would it take to kill off the US MIC permanently? Not in the literal sense but a financial one.

Posted by: Annie | Mar 15 2020 14:31 utc | 96


William, the US explained to the Iraqis why it is going to ignore their invitation to leave. The US stated that it is not even going to consider the matter because, "The US is a force for good." Yes, you read that correctly. Those are the words used in the US response. The evidence of the "good" the US has done to their country is apparent to all Iraqi citizens. The US is so damned "good" it can do whatever it wants. And if the bloody ingrates should decide to kick up a fuss, Trump reminded them that they can expect to have their oil money confiscated and be sanctioned more severely than Iran. Boorish house guests indeed.

Posted by: David | Mar 15 2020 14:48 utc | 97

@296 Annie

I've been hearing about the fall and/or bankruptcy of the US empire for 12 years(maybe others have been hearing about it longer than that). Since, in my view, the US empire's economy is backed by its military, I presume that hundreds of millions of people(and billions of animals) would die first before the fall of the US empire.

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 15 2020 15:04 utc | 98

Posted by: LuBa | Mar 15 2020 9:58 utc | 89

There are dozens of stories regarding the destruction of the fracking industry in the US because of 'cheap oil' ... so I don't think you can list that as a reason. Stolen oil might be better, but the amounts ... don't amount to much.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Mar 15 2020 15:14 utc | 99

I believe if the FACT that ISRAEL DID 9/11 is completely exposed to the world, the US would have to withdraw from the Middle East completely.........SO HELP EXPOSE IT

ISRAEL & THE US GOVERNMENT DID 9/11 >>>>>> FACT
methodical deception (dot) com / the-artists

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/11/27/breakthrough-video-case-for-war-with-israel-over-9-11/

Posted by: Truth Exposed | Mar 15 2020 15:22 utc | 100

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