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March 20, 2020

2020 Presidential Election Thread 06

Please keep anything related to the election in this thread.

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2020 Presidential (S)election Thread 06

Slight edit for you, may as well just admit it. Having private corporations in charge of vote counting has been confirmed as the leading cause of plutocracy.

Posted by: dave | Mar 20 2020 13:29 utc | 1

Tulsi's endorsement of Biden suggests that she's as keen to see the Dems eviscerated as I am.

Hell hath no fury...?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 20 2020 13:42 utc | 2

tulsi is pro aipac, anti BDS,signed a legally binding document to be blue no matter who, and just endorsed a neoliberal war monger who launched 6 of the 8 regime change wars we are currently waging to be our next president. THIS IS WHAT CONTROLLED OPPOSITION GATE KEEPING SHILLS DO. SHES NIKKI HALEY IN A PROGRESSIVE CLOWNSUIT.

Posted by: karafspolo | Mar 20 2020 13:46 utc | 3

Waiting for what Jimmie Dore has to say about Tulsi's capitulation to the party establishment.

As for Sanders, he never had any skin in his non-campaign. Fooled a lot of people.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/sanders-capitulates-biden/5706808

Sander wasn’t in the 2016 and 2020 races to change things, only to give the appearance of seeking radical change, what a grassroots revolution alone could possibly achieve.

Posted by: Carciofi | Mar 20 2020 14:22 utc | 4

Carciofi

Jimmie Dore seems to defend her,
https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1240886913105420288

Apparently he is as fake as Tulsi.

Posted by: Zanon | Mar 20 2020 14:40 utc | 5

It did surprise and disappoint me to hear of Tulsi's endorsement. Probably we'll be hearing the same from Bernie soon. I understand the skepticism stated by many here as to her campaign, but there is a chance she is playing a long game (or even short game} in the face of current realities (and many of us will feel those efforts also are misguided). Long game is she is young and would hope to position for 2024; short game (which seems unlikely) would be garnering a Cabinet or VP spot. One of Bernie's many tactical errors (unless his real goal was to be sheepdog which he de facto will probably be soon), was to not gain solidarity with Tulsi in fighting the smears and silencing.

As to a Biden VP pick, my estimates(%): Klobuchar 35, Warren 30, Harris 15, Abrams 10, Gabbard 5

I tend to agree with Kim Iverson's latest analysis, will only vote Dem if Gabbard is VP, and definitely not for Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob8jWZaf3XY

Posted by: Kabobyak | Mar 20 2020 14:42 utc | 6

Kabobyak @6: will only vote Dem if Gabbard is VP

Exactly what I've been warning about for months.

A set-up whereby Bernie's flock delivered via Tulsi as VP (with Bernie's blessing).

Deep-State has chosen: Biden Tulsi 2020 (written on October 19, 2019)

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 20 2020 14:49 utc | 7

No one should vote Dem or Republican. It is a vote for the status quo for either. Vote anyone but Democrat or Republican. At least demonstrate that you are not a tool of the "Establishment".

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Mar 20 2020 14:49 utc | 8

"If voting made a difference, it would be illegal." Mark Twain

Posted by: Tonymike | Mar 20 2020 15:15 utc | 9

@ Jackrabbit #7

I gotta admit I thought you were nuts with the Biden-Tulsi prediction, and came close to attacking you as such (especially after the thrashing I got re Max B!) It doesn't seem so far fetched now, and even getting the Biden part right went against the grain in Oct when many thought he was down and out. I'm still unsure as to Tulsi's motives. If Biden became Pres, chances are more than minimal that VP would take over sometime during his term.

Thanks for your comments, always thought-provoking.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Mar 20 2020 15:23 utc | 10

Lots of people are behaving as if they hadn't heard which "Party" Gabbard and Sanders were running for. They are working for the Single Party; which wing of it is irrelevant, just as irrelevant as any nuances among its different people. I just don't get why the word "any" should be unclear -- to anyone.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Mar 20 2020 15:30 utc | 11

jackrabbit.. you are looking pretty prescient on this.. i can't believe tulsi is this cheap, but she is in politics after all where one's values and words mean dick all it seems..

Posted by: james | Mar 20 2020 15:51 utc | 12

interesting comment off a poster at sst.. if this is correct, why do these candidates have to endorse someone, no matter who??

"I saw this morning that Tulsi's brother posted on facebook that Bernie declined her offer of endorsement...

Posted by: Joseph Chaisson | 20 March 2020 at 11:25 AM"

Posted by: james | Mar 20 2020 15:55 utc | 13

again, Biden will choose Michelle. See prev thread #211 for why.

Sing with me: "'M, I, C'...see you soon!". Why? Because We Love You.

Posted by: Imagine | Mar 20 2020 16:15 utc | 14

@james 13

"I saw this morning that Tulsi's brother posted on facebook that Bernie declined her offer of endorsement...

Biden got the highest bid.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 20 2020 16:15 utc | 15

@Tonymike 9 It was Emma Goldman, not Mark Twain.... I have seen your quote a couple of days in a row......here is the fact of the matter https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman

Posted by: Omega | Mar 20 2020 16:55 utc | 16

Jimmy Dore clip with Dylan Ratigan stating that Trump may run on Universal Basic Income and Medicare for all at around 10 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Un6ytSCVLU

Posted by: Joe | Mar 20 2020 16:59 utc | 17

Tulsi's brother seems to be as ignorant as Tulsi,
He claim Tulsi fought the establishment...and then support her when she goes to support the biggest establishent candidate in th race, Mr Biden.
https://nationalfile.com/report-bernie-refused-tulsis-endorsement-brother-claims-he-treated-her-like-shit/

Posted by: Zanon | Mar 20 2020 17:04 utc | 18

@Omega 15
I stand corrected in the fact he really said: (But see my note at the end)
Mark Twain > Quotes > Quotable Quote
Mark Twain
“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”

― Mark Twain


Emma Goldman, not so much.
From your noted wikiquote:

In the "Disputed" section of the wiki post, to which they note "there is no evidence that she made such a statement."
If voting changed anything, it would be made illegal.
Although often attributed to Goldman, there is no evidence that she made such a statement. The earliest known example of this quote is from a 1976 newspaper opinion piece by Robert S. Borden, in "Voting is Dishonest and Fraudulent", The Sun {Lowell, Massachusetts} (24 September 1976), p. 7: "If voting could change anything, it would be made illegal". According to Snopes.com, this and similar statements are also incorrectly attributed to American humorist Mark Twain or American peace activist Philip Berrigan.
Variants:
If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.
If voting changed anything it would be illegal.
If voting made a difference it would be illegal.
If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. The earliest known example of this quote is from a 1976 newspaper opinion piece by Robert S. Borden, in "Voting is Dishonest and Fraudulent", The Sun {Lowell, Massachusetts} (24 September 1976), p.

But it even appears that he did not say it either. I shall remove the attribution but still like the intent of the statement. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I learn something new every day.

Posted by: Tonymike | Mar 20 2020 17:21 utc | 19

I'm disappointed in CongressMember Gabbard, since I expected her to Run as an Independent to get the Independent/Populist/Non-Empire Votes in NOV2020.

According to Jimmy Does, she backed up Sanders on many occasions; but Senator Sanders brushed her off. Upon hearing that Sanders was about to quit and endorse Biden, she decided to drop out and endorse Biden.

There are good chances for Gabbard in a Biden Administration:

VP is going to be held by a Woman who will become POTUS shortly after Biden Retires Due to Dementia.
The Red Queen, Chelsea, Gabbard are lead choices.

Gabbard also looks good as a Sec_State, Sec_Defense, or Director_VA.

Posted by: IronForge | Mar 20 2020 19:38 utc | 20

@james | Mar 20 2020 15:55 utc | 13

... why do these candidates have to endorse someone, no matter who??
I don't think they have to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Elizabeth Warren still hasn't endorsed anyone yet, has she?

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Mar 20 2020 19:50 utc | 21

TonyMike 19............There is the other Emma Goldman quote......In America, voting is the opiate of the masses. I like the disputed section in the wiki and included it. I personally wish Twain had said it as he said so many things like it. It's like the one about "old age is for pussies" either Liz Taylor or Paul Newman. Keep on keepin' on bro.

Posted by: Omega | Mar 20 2020 20:04 utc | 22

@ 21 seamus.. thanks.. i don't understand why she did.. it seems to defy what she stands for by supporting biden... pam hos article is a joke..

Posted by: james | Mar 20 2020 20:09 utc | 23

As I fell asleep last night I was thinking of scrawling all over my ballot the names "Ralph Nader" and "Jill Stein". What a dream ticket that would be! That was my dairyfarmer uncle's name for me -- Dreamer. I never grew up, I guess. Too late now.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 20 2020 20:15 utc | 24

First, Tulsi was under no obligation to endorse right away even if she signed a contract agreeing to support the Nominee, besides, there is no nominee yet. Warren has not endorsed yet, and Bernie is still in the race.

I'm sick and tired of reading that Bernie should bail out graciously and that he's being selfish and yada-yada.

FU to all that! And I'm glad Bernie got pissed and used the F word when Manu Raju was poking and prodding to pressure him on behalf of CNN.

Judging Bernie as hurting Biden for taking his time is real rich coming from the Democratic Party infidels and media shysters who conspired to railroad his campaign when ordinary, average people were financing it! I really take exception with that level of unmitigated hypocrisy! Democrats rushed in to prop up Biden before Super Tuesday and now the pandemic rushed in to slow things down and Bernie must be slow too--to leave the race! He is being given a moment and should seize it.

Bernie must not get out of the race. Primaries are being postponed. Too bad for the DNC and good for Bernie. Bernie should take center stage with the pandemic fighting for M4A, demonstrating how necessary it is, and how under-preparedness for a pandemic is dwarfed by under-preparedness for Global Warming disaster.

Bernie must hang in for the common good and shut out the stupid noise. Bernie gets what this time is all about. Reality is proving him right and everyone else wrong. Bernie can beat Trump by a mile especially now that Trump lost his economic horn to toot. All market gains have been completely erased, employment gains will be erased and Trump will be remembered as the most incompetent President in history, and he'll deserve every minutiae of infamy for the disgrace that he's been! Karma's catching up with the braggart blowhard Chosen Ziofascist.

Bernie is taking his time because he knows that Biden is wrong on so many levels for the job. He had terrible judgment in the past and his brain function has not improved with the years. He does not have the good judgment and courage a true leader requires, especially now, to implement all that is required to confront the pressing challenges of this era.

Bernie hang in and be a voice for people affected by the pandemic and so much more.

He must not allow those who railroaded his campaign again to push him out! Let them stew and squirm in their failed presumption. Bernie is doing what he needs to do. He's dealing with a f*cking global crisis! No way should he get out, especially now.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 20 2020 20:25 utc | 25

Bernie is acting like a leader and I think people are beginning to notice. Biden has just about disappeared. Bernie is going to regain his momentum and win the nomination.

Posted by: Chas | Mar 20 2020 20:37 utc | 26

While Mainstream Democrats Fumble, Bernie Sanders Is Modeling a Serious Response to Coronavirus

And that's not all he's doing.

Bernie:

Tonight, I will be holding a virtual roundtable on the economic and health crises created by the coronavirus outbreak. Tune in at 7 p.m. ET at live.berniesanders.com

It will probably air on his YouTube channel or you can go to his twitter and link up there.

bernie sanders twitter

Posted by: Circe | Mar 20 2020 20:54 utc | 27

I dont often comment, but everyday, when i have my first coffee, MoA is ALWAYS my first port of call and i always read it thoroughly, together with comments. Its part of my breakfast ritual now.

Posted by: Hermius | Mar 20 2020 22:51 utc | 28

Here's the YouTube link for Bernie's round table. It's already live.

https://youtu.be/qBstcJ2GjGQ

Posted by: Circe | Mar 20 2020 23:03 utc | 29

Rock on Circe.
As a non-Amweican in the States, we have the same dream... Americans too, will see the light one day; we sacrifice too much on the alter of efficiency.

Posted by: Bobzibub | Mar 21 2020 0:24 utc | 30

Jimmie Dore seems to defend her,
https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1240886913105420288
Apparently he is as fake as Tulsi.
Posted by: Zanon | Mar 20 2020 14:40 utc | 5

Watch the video. Dore is crushed. I was always a fan of the "movement" that Saunders purportedly led, but I always felt that Saunders, himself, was a douche. And he is. I would have never voted for him. As far as Tulsi goes....I think she is trying to stay relevant by this move. When she realized Saunders was a true feeb, she rode the wave to stay afloat and supported Biden - not that it will actually make a difference in his chances.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Mar 21 2020 3:58 utc | 31

- "The New York Times’ Ongoing Russiagate Disinformation Campaign".

The New York Times is continueing the campaign to discredit both Trump & Sanders.


•“The New York Times’ Insidious Ongoing Disinformation Campaign on Russia & Elections” (Consortium News)
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/17/the-new-york-times-insidious-ongoing-disinformation-campaign-on-russia-elections/

•“The Plot to Subvert an Election: Unraveling the Russia Story So Far” (The New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/20/us/politics/russia-interference-election-trump-clinton.html

•“Same Goal, Different Playbook: Why Russia Would Support Trump and Sanders” (The New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/russia-election-meddling-trump-sanders.html

•“Pompeo and Netanyahu paved a path to war with Iran, and they’re pushing Trump again” (The Grayzone)
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/20/pompeo-netanyahu-war-iran-trump/

Source:
https://libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/3-20-20-gareth-porter-on-the-new-york-times-ongoing-russiagate-disinformation-campaign/

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 21 2020 8:24 utc | 32

- "17 minutes of Joe Biden's melting brain".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDrSvNyqEY

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 21 2020 8:54 utc | 33

For those people angry at Gabbard: you seem to forget that she was a part of the DNCC structure - in fact was vice chair of the DNCC from 2013 to 2016.
It isn't a cognitive leap to say that she disliked the games played against Sanders within the DNCC (i.e. the super delegate lockdown), which is why she temporarily left the fold. The fact that Sanders has lost without the superdelegate lockdown excuse can be considered a legitimate reason to go back into the DNCC fold.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 21 2020 14:29 utc | 34

All attention seems to be focused on the coronavirus, but what happens in the background, namely in Syria?

Posted by: Srclient | Mar 21 2020 14:36 utc | 35

Graham Elwood is not pleased with her decision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLQDxWZ8wek

Posted by: johnt | Mar 21 2020 14:51 utc | 36

Like 2016 Trump is now running way left of the Dems(Universal basic income during coronavirus, free health care services, "backing off on Iraq based Iran militias",preserving jobs over efficiency, getting out of Afghanistan, miracle cures). 2016:(get out of mideast, medicare for all, not touch social security).

Trump delivered none of it in 2016 and may deliver none of it (think Puerto Rico hurricane yr long power outage) but the Dems (DementiaJoe Biden/Schumer/Pelosi) are way to the right: More war, complex means test barriers to a few payouts, no med services, no free education, no housing,no jobs, no coronavirus policy. And they delivered nothing under Obama for eight years but more war.

Same right wing populist game plan against the same neo-libs. And no one hears from the Dems now. All Trump, all media channels.

There will be no "Tulsi" VP and no progressives invited to DementiaJoe's campaign.

Posted by: Johnny Law | Mar 21 2020 15:13 utc | 37

RE Tulsi Gabbard . . .

First, I’m an avid, grateful reader of MoA, one of the best but under-appreciated indie publications.

Second, I’ve tried to steer clear of voicing political opinions or speculation since 2017, but what’s happened with Gabbard spurs me to break self-imposed silence.

As a socialist since 1989, there’ve been only four times when I stepped out of my lane: going Green in 2000 for Nader, voting for Obama in 2008 (which I instantly regretted), registering Dem in 2016 to support Sanders in the primaries (whom I didn’t vote for because he’d pretty much given in/up by the time of my state’s primaries), and registering Dem again this year for Gabbard. Needless to say, I’ve already submitted my request to have my voter registration returned to “No Party” and vote for whichever socialist crops up on my ballot.

But despite being hurt, I don’t regret having supported Gabbard. And I’m not going to join in the anti-Gabbard dog pile.

I’ve been hearing fellow leftists across the board talk fervently about organizing and building viable third party alternatives and being anti-war for my entire adult life. But when push comes to shove, many are just talk or, understandably, get burned out.

In Gabbard, we had a next-generation mainstream social democrat who became more anti-interventionist and anti-war by the day. Far from perfect or ideal. But she was taking on the very things leftists rail about—all the while taking inordinate flak from leftists, “progressives,” liberals, centrists, neolibs, and neocons.

Not only that, her political hero and mentor abandoned her (again) and allowed his surrogates to join in on sliming her, all the while expecting her to take all the big hits from the Dem right/establishment and to deliver the big punches to Sanders’s competitors—i.e., a surrogate without benefits. And it seemed Gabbard was fully prepared to do it until she fully realized that after Iowa, and after Sanders practically endorsed Biden weeks ago, that Sanders was never really in this to win it—that this was 2016 on steroids and meth—that Sanders truly was a sheepdog extraordinaire, controlled opposition of the highest order of magnitude.

Gabbard and her supporters have and still are going through hell. All the slander. All the erasure. All the treachery. All the sacrifices. All for what?

Sure, I’m pissed off about the “support Biden” thing. But she’s not asking me or anybody else to support that ghoul, and I seriously doubt she expects her supporters to do so. I also seriously doubt she’ll actively campaign for Biden, as Sanders most certainly will (has been doing so already if we’re being honest).

Gabbard’s fighting for her political survival, which was already on life support after 2016, in a “one fraternity with two chapters” political system that she knows is broken and corrupt but is, arguably (and sadly), an indestructible hegemony.

Having listened to her and followed her for awhile, I also sense that what she did earlier this week was a thinly veiled “F YOU!” to the Dems and their lapdog Sanders. Plus there was a hint of “You’re not getting rid of me so easily.”

I do think that if New Corona 19 hadn’t hit, Gabbard would’ve gone the distance and would’ve brought some ruckus to the convention. I believe her when she says she wants to focus on dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic and getting economic relief to everyday Americans.

So, yeah, I still stand with Tulsi even though, from here on out, I’ll have to return to doing so on a parallel path.

I apologize for the length of this.

Stay safe and healthy.

Back to quarantine.

Posted by: Near Barbarian | Mar 21 2020 18:09 utc | 38

I still wonder why any American continues to vote for the Corporate/Financial Duopoly, and expect any significant difference in policy to occur afterwards. Isn't it time for Americans to finally develop a brain, a heart, and some courage and vote for anyone but the party branches of the Corporate/Financial Duopoly. Send them a message!

Doing the same thing over and over again is insane.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Mar 21 2020 18:42 utc | 39

In politics one must dance with the devils. Gabbard is just dancing to the realities on the ground.

Posted by: robert | Mar 22 2020 4:54 utc | 40

Posted by: Near Barbarian | Mar 21 2020 18:09 utc | 38
(Gabbard)

She's a Major in the National Guard and was a Committee Chair in the DNC which suggests that her interest in Leadership is motivated more by optimism and ambition than by idle curiosity. One of the essential tasks of a leader is to figure out a way to overcome setbacks as and when they appear. She doesn't look or talk like a quitter, so she probably isn't. She's had plenty of time to figure out what went wrong with her campaign and why. Being Leadership material, she'll have some kind of plan for what to do next. Imo.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 22 2020 6:04 utc | 41

Posted by: Tom_LX | Mar 22 2020 8:14 utc | 42

Let's hope the military will be incapacitated first. Either that or that the US military is not fascist.

Sanders campaign has gone fully digital.

New App:

1. add all of your friends
2. if your friends are undecided .... if they are strong supporters ....

I live in a country where lots of people experienced one or two surveillance states (though memory of the first one is dying)
If it comes to military dictatorship they will know whom to round up just using the app.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 22 2020 9:16 utc | 42

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 22 2020 6:04 utc | 41

I agree.

Additionally, Gabbard’s shown time and again she has a better read on situations than others, likely because of info she’s privy to and because of her experience as an erstwhile insider. That talent/tendency has sometimes come at a great price to her in our woefully immature, reactionary, and ADHD-ridden political environment. It is, nevertheless, a hallmark of a good leader.

Her interview with Jimmy Dore yesterday disappointed many. Although wanting more background about her decision myself, I wasn’t surprised by how she answered Dore’s questions. She was obviously tired but was as disciplined as always. To your point, I saw a Major who was standing by a decision she’s not happy with, but to borrow robert’s words in the post before yours, she was/is “dancing to the realities on the ground.”

Last spitball: I suspect that Gabbard’s anticipating the Democratic Party’s imminent collapse, at least as it currently stands, and has plans to step into the rubble and be instrumental in its reconstruction/reformation.

Thanks for the reply.

Posted by: Near Barbarian | Mar 22 2020 14:00 utc | 43

Message from Bernie.:

TONIGHT: join our livestream on the response to the coronavirus outbreak with @AOC, @IlhanMN, and @RashidaTlaib, featuring musical guests including @grandson.

Tune in at 7 pm ET at live.berniesanders.com

Posted by: Circe | Mar 22 2020 21:59 utc | 44

Bernie and the Squad NOW.

https://youtu.be/d-30JR5Cojc

Posted by: Circe | Mar 22 2020 23:07 utc | 45

Bernie Sanders wins Democrats abroad by wide margin.

Bernie Sanders Democrats Abroad

Posted by: Circe | Mar 24 2020 0:08 utc | 46

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