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March 15, 2020

2020 Presidential Election Thread 05

There is a debate tonight.

Matt Taibbi has some thoughts about it:

Bernie’s Last Chance
Heading into a one-on-one debate with Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders should not go gentle into that good night

Please keep anything related to the election in this thread.

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@donkey. The difference between GOP fascists and DNC fascists is what again?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 16 2020 15:08 utc | 101

see Palast' twitter about the rigged 'lection... He's deadly, and expert. The senile cat and the criminal "lady H" with the "suicide problem" may yet be anointed in a vast con? Well, yeah...given the ability and drive they have shown.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 16 2020 15:09 utc | 102

Tannenhouser @106

The GOP rapes the public dry. The DNC applies a dab of petroleum jelly first. It may be a pathetic and miserly little dab of petroleum jelly, but for those like the mule's rear and poor hysterical Circe it is the thought that counts.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 16 2020 15:14 utc | 103

@87 Kadath

At 3 mansions your comment turned into a loser, cheap shot diatribe. He has a cabin by a lake, the house in Vermont was inherited by his wife, and he has a home in Washington that is nicer than the other 2 but far from being a mansion.

@99 Tannenhouser

🖕 You wish.


If Biden becomes the nominee he will choose Kamala or Stacey as a running mate.

However, there will be a mass exodus of at least 1/4 the Left from the Dem Party, and Independents with Bernie will not support Biden. I am NEVER Biden so quit your horseshit.

Bernie will keep his word and support the nominee because he knows what Trump will unleash, and I don't give a shet...because Bernie is a good person and that will NEVER change despite your hatred.

Trump retards are now hating on Bernie because they wanted Bernie to face Trump in the general and he let them down; poor babies.

Reports here of Bernie's sudden demise are greatly exaggerated, premature and stupid. No surprise given the I.Q. of the prognosticators.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 16 2020 15:26 utc | 104

donkeytale @102: Who's got your vote then?

This is a loaded question. Let's unpack:

  • Only your vote matters

    This kind of thinking constitutes unilateral disarmament.

  • Don't waste your vote!

    You are urged to vote practically instead of strategically. That means voting for one of the two major Party candidates. Both of whom are 'owned' by the establishment. In that way, it's a rigged game.

  • Democracy Works!

    The focus on voting is meant to underscore "peaceful change" via democratic principles. But USA electoral politics is not democratic. The game is rigged by money-in-politics and Empire imperatives.

    Thus, voting is merely legitimizes a corrupt system.

The only way to effect change in the West is via direct action. Form and join Movements. Examples: Occupy Wall Street, Yellow Vests (in France).

The Establishment is entrenched and impose a harsh policy regime upon us:

  • Financialization

    Capital over people

  • Neoliberalism

    Government by and for the capitalist class

  • Empire

    Democracy suppression and mal-investment to further the goal of global domination

This 'regime' will not change until and unless people in Western countries FORCE a change.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 16 2020 15:27 utc | 105

William Gruff @108: dab of petroleum jelly


Best analogy I've seen.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 16 2020 15:30 utc | 106

@Circe. Actually its not a wish its fact. I was hoping you would be correct, as you aren't and will now start shilling for Biden you really should take your sheepdog act elsewhere.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 16 2020 15:32 utc | 107


You're a bigger fool than I thought if you think Gruff isn't with Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 16 2020 15:34 utc | 108

A month ago I could never have imagined voting for Biden -- a corrupt warhawk
showing clear signs of cognitive decline. But I think a Dem. administration would
be more competent than the current one -- not a high bar. In the present circumstances
minimal competence might save my life.

Posted by: Nick | Mar 16 2020 15:57 utc | 109

As I read this, I'm thinking it is easy, and sickeningly gratifying, to throw bombs. But it is a lot harder to suggest anything in the way of who/what one thinks might have a chance, albeit slim to vanishing, at starting the Titanic's swing to the 'right' direction. I also remember that 'the perfect is often the (deadly) enemy of the good'. Is there no imagination here? Personally, 'I think' (a phrase almost nonexistent on this website) that secession in some form or other may be the only 'solution'.

And, thank you B for the rarely-surfaced facts that we need to have, to have any hope : )

Posted by: Nancy | Mar 16 2020 15:57 utc | 110

Nick, unfortunately or maybe fortunately the realization that YOU are the only one that 'got yer 6' is liberating. wash your hands often.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 16 2020 16:08 utc | 111

Nick @114 "... a Dem. administration would be more competent than the current one..."

More competent at doing what, exactly? Bailing out banks? Killing Syrians? Starving Venezuelans? Launching biological weapons attacks against China without it being so obvious? More competent at leading the sheep to the slaughter without making them agitated?

Perhaps so, but I don't see that as an improvement over our current situation.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 16 2020 16:22 utc | 112

Down at the Dewdrop Inn Wally overheard cops drinking for free, saying: "Force does not reside at the polling station nor does force reside anywhere absent will and resolve, we alone own "force" as that's what we do - force." Later the bar girl obliged them both... They say she was 16.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 16 2020 17:03 utc | 113

Biden is every bit the liar as Trump, every bit corrupt as Trump, every bit the right-wing fascist as Trump. What Biden isn't compared to Trump is off-the-charts insane. Many 'progressives' will convince themselves that this one slice of difference is enough to vote for Biden in 'interesting times.' A madman at the helm in a crisis laden environment is not a confidence booster. Never mind the policies both support are inhumane and criminal, folks will take comfort in voting for Biden because he's not bat-shit crazy as clearly the current President is.

It makes little difference to 80% of “Americans” who live pay-check to pay-check if Trump or a Establishment Democrat sits in the Oval Office. It's probably why 50% of the people don't vote at all; because generation after generation sees that the political class in no way serves the people except through lip-service.

Frankly, imo, there isn't time to build third parties, or movements to effect the fundamental changes needed in the short-term to avert total collapse of the system, and social chaos. We see how close 'we' are to social chaos now based upon an inability to manage a novel virus epidemic. This is a tip of the iceberg to the corruption/dysfunction of the USA that has sacrificed people for profit.

Sometime before the election, imo, Trump will move to consolidate his tenure under 'emergency powers' and suspend our moribund democracy all together, and then folks will have a real choice: surrender or fight.

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 16 2020 17:05 utc | 114

#LyingBiden trending.

Krystal Ball says it all.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 16 2020 17:12 utc | 115

Posted by: Circe | Mar 16 2020 15:26 utc | 109

Trump retards are now hating on Bernie because they wanted Bernie to face Trump in the general and he let them down; poor babies.

I nominate that for the most extreme example of projection ever in the history of MoA.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 16 2020 17:31 utc | 116

psychoh @ 74; Thanks for the fish cartoon. LOL!

Sanders, like everyone else, can back whomever they like, but as an ardent Sanders supporter, there's no way in hell I'll EVER back Biden, who's part of the problem, not the solution.

I believe in the "Susan Sarandon" philosophy. If the public isn't aware enough to see through the elites propganda, they deserve whatever they get. An then, if enough pain comes through their "choices", maybe, they'll pay more attention to the reality's around them.

To coin an old saying; " people get the kind of Gov. they deserve"...

P.S.- It takes sheep to be herded by a sheep dog.

Posted by: ben | Mar 16 2020 18:15 utc | 117

I would wager $10 on the following outrageous proposition. The next POTUS will be Tulsi Gabbard.

Laugh if you wish, and it is surely a 1:1,000,000 bet at this point, but she is not dropping out, appeals to both left and right, and has the support of the military (which part is unclear).

Wonder if las vegas will take my $10 :)

Posted by: sad canuck | Mar 16 2020 19:36 utc | 118

Bernie was burned by the DNC establishment in 2016. Dr. Jill Stein warmed him it would happen again in 2020 and she had invited him to join and lead the Greens. But he didn't listen to her, or as she put it "Bernie Sanders is hobbled by the system he embraces".

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Dr. Jill Stein on U.S. Election, Bernie Sanders' setbacks, Coronavirus, Assange & Manning

Posted by: Carciofi | Mar 16 2020 19:56 utc | 119

Regarding the Taibbi pro-Sanders article in Rolling Stone:

His article is just opinion, and ridiculous opinion at that. The author and other Sanders fans can't seem to grasp that their candidate and his policies are not that popular. He didn't win a single county in Michigan, Missouri or Mississippi. It looks like another wipe-out is coming on March 17 in four new primaries: Florida, Illinois, Ohio and Arizona.

Writing in the Washington Post, columnist Michael Harriot puts this into perspective. He mocks the pro-Sanders claims that a "Democratic establishment" propelled via some kind of improper means the then-under-funded underdog Biden to his overwhelming victory in South Carolina.

"When the left bashes the party, it’s attacking a loose mechanism of community problem solvers," Harriot, black native of South Carolina, wrote in "For black voters, the ‘Democratic establishment’ meets in our living rooms." He describes the Democratic Party's local leaders and volunteers as heavily overlapping those from civil rights, church and other local institutions that brought them a better life in the face of Republican opposition. He argues further that Southern African-Americans, like many other voters, would like more, of course, but are frightened of Trump and his minions -- and ready to take what they regard as the necessary precaution of supporting the most viable Democrat, Biden because of the awful, life-threatening threat of more Trump. Details:

I suggest reading Harriot to understand what's going on, at least in terms of the cause of the recent Biden victories. In contrast, Taibbi functions as the herald of a movement that seems at this point to be more rhetoric than reality.

Posted by: Andrew Kreig | Mar 16 2020 20:04 utc | 120

sad canuck @123

Maybe Biden will get the covid and die and so Tulsi gets the nomination by default because she is the last candidate in the race still alive. Of course, a Tulsi win vs Trump is almost as certain as a Sanders victory over Trump, so then you'd win that bet.

Hey, it could happen!

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 16 2020 20:33 utc | 121

Andrew Kreig @125

You are wrong, of course. When Biden gets beaten by Trump this November please refrain from screeching about "Russian interference!" and... what... misandry? Bernie Bros being prejudiced against child-gropers with dementia? Whatever, please choke back the impulse to manufacture more retarded excuses for being on the loser team.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 16 2020 20:44 utc | 122

@ One assumes quite a bit when one says "When Biden gets beaten by Trump this November". One assumes that the election takes place, one assumes that both old guys, the fat clown and the senile stooge remain on the twig, so to say. And yeah, one also assumes Clown is re-anointed.

Right now Wally tends to agree with the idea that the fratboys down at the shop did "it". It's typical of them. And yes, mad, barking mad, born of the desperation of their class.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 16 2020 21:45 utc | 123

Carciofi | Mar 16 2020 19:56 utc | 124:

Bernie was burned by the DNC establishment in 2016.

That was the naive assumption in 2016.

Why are you repeating such nonsense when you already recognize that:

"Bernie Sanders is hobbled by the system he embraces".

Clearly Bernie is not what he seems. He's more interested in strengthening the establishment than in tearing it down via a democratic-socialist "revolution".

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The lack of curiosity as to WHY Bernie acts as the sheepdog and plays his deluded followers for fools is also notable.

In America, we are mentally not allowed to connect Bernie to Zionism and Empire. American media have declared such thought crime: "antisemetism". So Americans just can't even formulate the thought that Bernie would betray his fake "Movement" - there's NO REASON WHY he would do so.


The truth - which is hidden (in plain sight) from USA and other Western populations - is that running the Empire is a trillion dollar business. And the mafia that control these rackets (illegal drugs; arms manufacturing; lobbyists; international businesses like energy, drugs, and financial services, etc.) don't want anything to interrupt their control and profits.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 16 2020 21:53 utc | 124

Posted by: ben | Mar 16 2020 18:15 utc | 122

If the public isn't aware enough to see through the elites propganda, they deserve whatever they get.

I'm not sure I'd go quite that far yet, given the poor educational system and indoctrination of the populace, but each time they shoot themselves in the foot via the ballot box I feel a little bit less sorry for them.

Are there National Darwin Awards?

Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 16 2020 22:10 utc | 125

Bernie Sanders digital rally featuring Neil Young. LIVE.

I really hope the tide turns cause I'm really going to miss this.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 0:08 utc | 126

Uhh, it started an hour ago so it might not be live but you can watch it again.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 0:19 utc | 127

William Gruff@127

Thank you very much for your insights! I can tell that you are a very stable genius, of course.

I'm sure also that you predicted the 40+ Democratic House sweep in the 2018 U.S. elections and the massive Super Tuesday results, where Biden won, for example, 53 % of Virginia's vote compared to 23 % for Sanders in an open primary contest with three other candidates still running. Enthusiasm for the vote was so small, of course, that a mere 1.3 million voted compared to 780,000 in 2016.

My own support was for Tulsi as a well-spoken anti-war candidate but her performance during the course of the campaign, including failure to run for re-election in a district where she became so unpopular as to be unelectable, creates the possibility that her end-game may be to become a highly paid Fox "news" propagandist and/or Third Party candidate in the fall who is paid off to help the war-monger Trump, in effect.

Again, thank you, of course, for setting me straight with your perfect insights.

Posted by: Andrew Kreig | Mar 17 2020 0:21 utc | 128

Circe @ 120; Thanks for the Ball expose on Biden. Should be required viewing by all who give a f***.

Clearly, Joe Biden is a MFing liar. Case closed. And yes, although I'm a Bernie supporter, he deserves whatever he gets for not calling Biden out on his blatant lies.

He had the chance, and blew it.

Posted by: ben | Mar 17 2020 0:47 utc | 129

Joe Biden held a digital town hall and Murphy's Law prevailed. What a hot mess!

Go to it and put your dislike on it.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 1:06 utc | 130

Look at you guys, divided and bickering about who is the worse fool to rule over you, moving right into the trap set for you, the Left Hand Vs the Right Hand, while the Hidden Hand steals your pockets..
Shame really. Ya'll should get together and go hang em from lamp post, their greatest fear but nah better wait for the next election cycle and watch some Netflix..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 17 2020 2:49 utc | 131

Sanders should have invited Gabbard into the Debate...

Posted by: IronForge | Mar 17 2020 3:08 utc | 132

B, I've read you for a long time. I appreciate what you do. Those of us who have actually lived and worked in those third world countries you guys hypothesize about. Sorry, we do laugh. I don't have any theories to put forth. But I do think this is blowback^3...

Posted by: C G | Mar 17 2020 3:21 utc | 133

Sadly, IronForge (@138), The Bernie lacks the courage or loyalty to do the moral, courageous thing.

Posted by: SR | Mar 17 2020 3:31 utc | 134

Well, I guess it's time to finish off my Bombay hand sanitizer, stirred not shaken, and try again to explain why Bernie must drop out and endorse Tulsi.
1: Bernie’s toast, burnt! The math simply does not give him any viable path forward. Tulsi has virtually the same policies domestically and adds a foreign policy and anti-militarism dimension that Bernie embarrassingly lacks.
2: With Bernie's endorsement and his pledged delegates Tulsi might actually have a shot at winning the primaries. She has a much broader appeal than has Bernie. She is not self stigmatized with a bogus socialist identity. Bernie might think that TG would be unacceptable to his base because of the diligent slander and innuendo dished out by his own campaign through Mockingbird outlets like the New Yorker, the Jacobin and the Intercept. This campaign however only reached the few gullible wannabe revolutionaries who read that crap. The great majority of Bernie followers would enthusiastically switch their support to Tulsi when faced with the alternatives. Biden-Obama, Obama-Buttgeig or Clinton-Schiff .
3: Unless he throws a, just in time, Hail Tulsi pass Bernie will go down in history as a minor footnote, an unwitting dupe of the ruling Kakistocracy That is unless he goes down as a witting dupe.
It's time for Tulsi!
Hey Bernie, throw the Hail Tulsi pass!

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 17 2020 3:38 utc | 135

P.S. Forgot to mention: Tulsi has charisma, and the presidential campaign is a charisma contest. Trump has it too. Tulsi has much much more!

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 17 2020 3:45 utc | 136

NOBTS #140

YES YES YES go for Tulsi Gabbard.bye Bernie.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 17 2020 5:16 utc | 137

@83 willie

Thank you for your vert interesting comment to me, willie:)
..and you mentioning De Gaulle makes me want to watch Day of the Jackal again

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 17 2020 5:23 utc | 138

There's a NeverBiden petition online.

any blue won't do

So I went to Neoliberal site Dailykos and they're trashing Krystal Ball and Sanders supporters over there.

They really want loser Joe who's gonna lose to Trump to win.

Here's the thing: the Democratic Party has now become a marriage made in hell between Neoliberal Sanders haters and Republican Never Trumpers. Mostly white suburban Republican women for Biden and Never Trump Republicans like Jim Comey, Bill Kristol, Max Boot and unknown others are switching party and/or voting as Republicans in the open primaries and together with older blacks are pushing Biden over the top.

So now the Democratic Party has become a right wing Neoliberal Party that will lose to Trump, because who in their right mind, who's fighting for Progressive causes forever will join up with that other shet? So now there's a high probability the majority of Progressive Sanders' supporters will be a no-show for Biden.

Warren is also very much to blame. She is all too aware that Joe is winning with Republican votes and STILL she threw Sanders and the progressive movement under the bus. What she did will be recorded in infamy forever.

Guess the Democratic establishment and the media, of course, who did a number on Sanders to satisfy Republicans turned Democrat all want Trump to get a 2nd term and boy will Trump gloat when he replaces RBG with another frat boy like Kavanaugh! And that'll be the tip of the iceberg that will crush Biden's ship of fools.

They all stink and deserve to sink!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 13:57 utc | 139

So let me recapitulate for those still rushing into the Biden Titanic.:


Sorry, but this truth deserves to be plastered on fcuking BILLBOARDS! Well at least this time the DNC is betraying Progressives in plain daylight!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 14:13 utc | 140

There's still a chance to STOP BIDEN if everyone shares the truth everywhere: the DNC put the finger on the scale for Joe Biden to derail Bernie Sanders, because JOE BIDEN IS THE PREFERRED CANDIDATE OF NEVER TRUMP REPUBLICANS WHO ARE VOTING IN THE PRIMARIES PUSHING HIM OVER THE TOP, AND WHO WILL VOTE BIDEN IN NOVEMBER.

This means that the DNC is sacrificing Progressives and years of Progressive struggle to bring a certain percentage of Republicans into the Party because Joe Biden is the favorite of these Republicans. Joe Biden is their favorite because he's been catering to these types of Republicans in the Senate for years!

It all makes sense now. The DNC is after Republican voters! The DNC is deliberately steering the Democratic Party to the Right.

Now, how does steering to the right square with Progressive values? It doesn't. Progressives have been betrayed over and over again even with Obama, but especially by Hillary.

This move derailing the Sanders campaign to bring Republicans into the party is the last attempted stake through the Progressive heart.

I see this as the end of the Democratic Party. Joe Biden claimed he wants to restore the soul of America, when really he's selling out the soul of the Democratic Party. Progressives are the soul of the party.

For what? The Presidency? For nothing! Joe Biden will lose to Trump. Game over.


Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 14:54 utc | 141

Do you stalk ex-boyfriends the same way you and your fellow Bernbots stalk the Democratic Party, as much as it's proven over and over again it hates you and wants nothing to do with you?

Posted by: Russ | Mar 17 2020 15:16 utc | 142

There is actually a bipartisan committee to help Joe Biden: Bipartisan Committee to Elect Joe Biden.

biden republicans

No wonder Biden at one point actually stated he would consider choosing a Republican running mate!

I wonder if these Never Trump Republicans are financing some of the SuperPacs supporting Joe Biden and trashing Sanders?
Maybe they were also financing Warren's PERSIST SuperPac? George Conway started a NeverTrump SuperPac to defeat Trump in November. No doubt there must be one or more Republican-financed SuperPacs supporting Biden. Someone should delve into this.

This plot is getting clearer by the minute.

Biden IS Republican Bait!

The Democratic Party is risking alienating Progressives because they're counting on Republicans and some right wing Independents to fill the void in November. They're literally throwing their fortunes behind Never Trump right-wing voters and kicking Progressives to the curb!

A pox on them.

(Russ, you just made yourself very transparent, so gtf out of the way of the TRUTH.)

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 15:46 utc | 143

Just in case anyone failed to notice, President Dizzy the Orange declared a national emergency on Friday the Thirteenth. If you are aware of the COG powers and latitude presidents have been handed since the Age of Reagan; then you probably understand what kind of Pandora's box the president is clutching at this very moment...

I agree Circe. There is only Bernie Sanders to defeat Trump in a fair election. Biden was copied and pasted into the running after being discarded and dismissed in the early going. A freakish, completely depraved Theory Of Triangulation can find no more perfect pseudo-republican than Senile Old Joe. Placeholder extraordinaire for the one-percent.

Malleable but finally less than marketable, old trademark Joe, old rerun Joe the liar: a calliope of cheap rhetoric, tooting along and flubbing the occasional note, or two,...or three.

Bernie has the compassion other candidates don't seem to possess. If the Democrats spit out a fait accompli, this time around, it's curtains for democracy. Solamente Bernie 2020.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 17 2020 17:18 utc | 144

@149 Copeland

Exactly. Because the Republican Party has been hijacked by Trump and is now the Trump Party, the Democratic Party is fixing the primaries, by putting the thumb on the scale for pseudo-Republican Biden to become the Nominee so that the 10% NeverTrump Republicans feel at home in the Democratic Party, therefore, pulling the party to the right. This is dishonesty in plain sight.

These NeverTrump Republicans have repeatedly stated Biden was the candidate they most favored to switch over and the Democratic Party is accommodating them. This might partially explain the large discrepancy between the polls and Super Tuesday results, because in fact NeverTrump Republicans and those Independents who are Conservative and also NeverTrump stepped in to vote for Biden on Super Tuesday.

When their other favored candidates failed to gain traction, the Democratic Party stepped in to prop up the REPUBLICAN CHOICE.

Biden is Republican bait. 🤬👎

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 18:07 utc | 145



michigan republicans with joe biden

biden and never Trump

never Trump republicans strategize before Super Tuesday



Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 18:34 utc | 146

Here's a NeverTrump Republican basically admitting he voted for Biden in Virginia to stop Bernie from becoming the Nominee!


Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 20:08 utc | 147

@Circe - stop the fucking SCREAMING or I will ban you from this site.

Posted by: b | Mar 17 2020 20:14 utc | 148



Why is the type so small you can hardly see it and needs a magnifying glass?

Maybe if the thread were normal type, I would have reverted to this typing.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 17 2020 20:23 utc | 149

The Bernie faithful cannot accomplish anything by renting and screaming and tearing their hair out. Bernie needs to talk to them calmly and explain that all the dissing of Tulsi Gabbard by his campaign for the past many months was just motivated by the belief that only Bernie himself could pull off “The Revolution” and fear that votes for Tulsi might dilute Bernie's strength. The People's acceptance of that notion led many Tulsi supporters to sacrifice their real preference for the sake of "the revolution.” Now it's time for Bernie's voters to reciprocate. Bernie must have the courage to admit that Tulsi has always been his most loyal comrade and is now the only one who can carry on with any chance of success. That chance can only be real with Bernie's endorsement and wholehearted support. If he's unable to do that, then all this talk about revolution was and is a sham.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 17 2020 23:14 utc | 150

The football analogy:
Final three seconds of the fourth quarter: Our team “The Revolution,” down by 5, is on the 50 yard line. Our quarterback, Bernie has just been sacked twice by the “DNC Hawks” defense so it's fourth and 17! Bernie has a star receiver, Tulsi, deep in Hawks territory. And our home crowd is chanting “Run Bernie Run! What will Bernie do?

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 17 2020 23:42 utc | 151

sanders cuts biden lead to single digits

Bernie cannot quit while he's rising in national polls.
In the past week Bernie narrowed the margins again. Why is that? Because Biden is being vetted by the alternate media and Sanders for the first time.

Bernie should request a postponement of the remaining primaries because it's unsafe to be in voting lineups with the threat of Coronavirus transmission. It's irresponsible to hold primaries now. Then he should keep tearing away at Biden's lies and keep exposing him for who he is, and the fact that the DNC chose him to bring in Never Trump Republicans, and how this strategy will pull the Party further to the right and backfire in the general election.

If the remaining primaries are postponed Bernie will have time to make this case.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 18 2020 1:41 utc | 152

Circe @157:

Bernie had a chance to make his case in the last debate. He failed to do so.

Everyone @everywhere:

We must consider the likelihood that Bernie's campaign -- from the point of view of the Berniebros as well as that of Bernie himself -- was all about Bernie, and only coincidentally about issues. It's a personality cult masquerading as a social agenda, and thus hardly a movement with traction.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 18 2020 4:19 utc | 153

Clearly, Joe Biden is a lying misogynistic dementia-addled corporate tool of a warmonger. So is Bernie lying when he implies Joe is some sort of decent person on his level, when he says "my good friend Joe"? If he is not lying, then what does that say about Bernie's (lack of) character judgement?

Was Bernie lying when he endorsed and then aggressively campaigned for that disgusting pathological warmonger Hillary Clinton of "we came, we saw, he died ... ha ha ha" infamy?

Was Bernie lying when he said (in 1989) “We need a new, progressive political movement in this country because the Democrats and Republicans are not only incapable of solving any of the major problems facing this country, they are not even prepared to discuss them.”, or is he lying today when he sheepdogs folks into supporting the corrupt corporate-controlled Democrat faction of the war party?

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 18 2020 5:18 utc | 154

Bernie must not quit the race. He must continue to the end no matter how much he's trolled by Biden supporters on his twitter and how much noise the lamestream media make. Biden's speech tonight was terrible. Bernie got 10 times more viewers online for his.

Biden will implode before the end of the primaries, so Bernie must keep on collecting delegates and doing what he's doing online to energize voters for the following primaries.

Primaries will be cancelled so he's going to have lots of time to work on getting out the vote through social media.

Never Surrender Bernie.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 18 2020 6:19 utc | 155

Correction: I meant to say that primaries will be suspended temporarily because of Covid-19.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 18 2020 6:22 utc | 156

One of the reasons Biden will implode is because most people do not love Biden, many don't even like him. They're only voting for him because they stupidly believe he can beat Trump. If he puts people to sleep already, imagine months from now? He's not going to make it; he's not inspiring. The only emotions pushing Biden over the top are fear and desperation. There's no enduring substance there.

In contrast, Bernie is loved by his supporters who affectionately call him Tio Bernie, America's Dad, King and post all kinds of memes to show their affection for him. Everyone feels his honesty and compassion, and he has policies that meet the challenges in people's lives and the future. In the end, this is a much more meaningful reason for his candidacy to prevail than fear, desperation and zero inspiration or devotion.

Hang in and never surrender Bernie.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 18 2020 6:47 utc | 157

Circe #162

Never surrender Bernie?

But he has surrendered and needlessly so. He just surrendered his entire movement to the disgusting maw of the DNC. His debate performance was limp and he failed utterly to lead his movement. He cannot redeem himself if he leaves them in limbo. Bernie is a very savvy politician and he surely comprehends the disgust that arises from betrayal and abandonment.

A warrior is needed to lead now and Bernie should take a walk.

Biden is an incompetent turd and there is no merit in being associated with him.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 18 2020 11:28 utc | 158


If the font is too small on your screen, enlarge it. With my poor eyes that's what I do. It is a simple process. Using technology sometimes means you must be smarter than the buttons on a mouse. Not always, but sometimes, as when the on screen fonts are too small for you to read.

Posted by: Lefty665 | Mar 18 2020 14:46 utc | 159

> There's no enduring substance there.

Yes, that well describes the entire electoral circus, not just Biden. National elections don't matter. Look at Israel, where they have an election every four months with the same non-result each time. The lack of an official government hasn't slowed down the killing in Gaza one bit.

If Uncle Sam cancels his big November election and nothing changes, would US peons even notice that the mask of "democracy" had been peeled off? The useless primary voting has been delayed/called off already, and the response has been, "where is my toilet paper?"

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Mar 18 2020 14:59 utc | 160

Trisha @159:

Excellent comment! Just don't expect a meaningful response, if you get one at all, from the Bernie fans here.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 18 2020 16:03 utc | 161

I still don't think they're really crazy enough to go with Biden-for-Brains when thanks to the several wild cards of pandemics and economic fragility and oil, this election has become winnable even by a DNC candidate.

I still expect they'll anoint Hillary at the convention and launch a furious propaganda campaign depicting Her as some kind of savior.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 18 2020 17:24 utc | 162

"Bernie had a chance to make his case in the last debate. He failed to do so.

Bernie did have a few moments in the last debate when he tried his best, it appeared, to push back on some of Biden's lies. But Bernie's problem is much bigger than something that can be fixed by scoring points in a debate. When you're running to be the presidential candidate for the Democratic party and you're campaigning on mega changes the party establishment wants no part of, then that's a big problem. Long ago Bernie figured it would be easier to facilitate those changes from within the Democratic party than running as a third party option. Methinks Bernie wanted his cake and eat it too.

Posted by: Carciofi | Mar 18 2020 17:35 utc | 163

Circe @96

Of course Biden is not a choice, duh. 96 was not cheering for him, in fact the diametrical opposite, can you read? But then, it looks like you of all people have learned nothing at all. Even if you weren't around 4 years ago, when you were relaxing on a faraway planet with no news from Earth, we know you've been here this year -- and again you fail to even look with your own eyes and hear with your own ears. Your Bernie is a goddamn warmonger whose only job is to bring back the disgruntled voters and ex-voters back to mama, i.e. whoever the Owners of the Country (and of Biden) want: the Clinton Harpy or Biden or an armadillo from the woods dressed in a suit and tie.

It's all exclusively about not leaving any room outside the Single Party rule, and your relentless, Propaganda-Abteilung style loudspeaker messages that never address any objections are part of it.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Mar 18 2020 17:36 utc | 164

@164Lefty 665

This is a site, not a sight issue. Yesterday the thread was miniscule like what happens when people don't use HTML tags for their links. Today the issue here appears to be resolved. Thanks.

@167 meltdown

Just don't hold your breath. That'll be more serious.


Whatever Bernie decides, he is a good and decent human being, and that I will always respect since it's more uncommon than the norm in this world.

Biden can go to hell, and I could give a damn for the damage he'll enable giving Trump a second term.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 18 2020 17:55 utc | 165

Circe | Mar 18 2020 17:55 utc | 171

Whatever Bernie decides, he is a good and decent human being...

Biden can go to hell..

I don't understand. Bernie keeps saying how Biden is a "good friend", not something anyone who really had friends and enemies ever would do.

(The deliberate degradation of both of those concepts is, of course, part of the system's campaign to eradicate all notions of true friendship.)

How could a good and decent human being call Biden a friend? Just as, for example, how could a good and decent human being join in the disappearing of Tulsi Gabbard, especially after she had made sacrifices for Sanders?

I admit, your religions of electoralism and especially Democratianity are inscrutable to me. Please elucidate the mysteries of the cult for me, so I can understand these evocations of decency and humanity?

Because so far I can make zero sense of it.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 18 2020 18:09 utc | 166

Trisha @159: Bernie lying

Yeah, we're told that we should trust Bernie because he's the real deal. But he's clearly not sincere.

Those of us who've warned about Bernie (repeatedly) know what to expect from the duopoly Parties. They play on your hopes and fears to benefit the people that matter.

Only genuine, independent Movements will change anything. Those looking for easy solutions like an establishment-sanctioned SAVIOR! are fooling themselves.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 18 2020 18:27 utc | 167

There are some things of such low purpose not worth acknowledging.


Some of the media fell over themselves today falsely claiming that Bernie is over, that he dropped out and even that his campaign is dead. All totally untrue.

These reports of Bernie's demise are again exaggerated and premature. The campaign has reported that Bernie is not dropping out of the race and the next primary is in three weeks so he has time to plan his next move.

I love the ambiguity here because it drives the DNC and Biden's supporters nuts.

This is great news because giving Biden time to self-destruct is the wisest option.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 18 2020 18:38 utc | 168

Bernie Sanders appears as the last just man in this contest for president. He talks about the issues; and he rallies people to recognize the defining struggles we face. Bernie brings people together around the issues that matter. His campaign for president focuses on the work we can do together. Unlike Biden and Trump, he doesn't revere himself; his campaign is not self-referential and is never egotistical. Bernie's campaign does not resemble theirs in any sense.

Those who complain that Bernie is unwilling to make this personal with Biden are incapable of seeing why he is admired in the first place, or why he has inspired a younger generation to get behind his campaign.

Bernie Sanders is not a savior, but rather a teacher; and what people seem to take from his campaign is an example of what a real democracy would look like. The responsibility must be ours, if we want to lift this country up and make it better.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 18 2020 19:52 utc | 169

Here's a “Bernie the revolutionary" analogy:
Suppose Fidel had been captured by Batista. He managed to get one message out from his dank dungeon:
“Che Guevara, who's that? Never heard of him!”

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 18 2020 23:53 utc | 170

Copeland @ 171: "Bernie Sanders is not a savior, but rather a teacher"

A teacher of what, exactly? Here we are, in the middle of a deadly pandemic, and he totally missed a teaching moment regarding the Democrat primaries held yesterday, as in "It is not safe to gather in groups for any reason, including to vote."

In fact, as of today, Bernie's "CORONAVIRUS: WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW" "plan" makes no mention of delaying primaries or putting resources into voting by mail, which is much less dangerous than congregating in groups at polling stations.

Bernie's also taught us not to trust his judgement of character by his numerous references to that misogynistic dementia-addled lying corporate tool warmonger Joe Biden as "my good friend", and his endorsement and aggressive campaigning for that psychopathic warmonger Hillary Clinton of "we came, we saw, he died ... ha ha ha" infamy.

What Bernie is teaching us (again) is that he is unprepared for leadership.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 19 2020 3:02 utc | 171

Jackrabbit @ 169 "Only genuine, independent Movements will change anything"

I'm hopping alongside you on this.

Curious to see what Bernie's "movement" plans to do when he surrenders (again): "I endorse my good friend Joe Biden for President." Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I'm a Bernie bro ...

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 19 2020 3:08 utc | 172

Here's what I think Bernie should do. Bernie if you're reading, this is good advice.

The next 3 primaries are very favorable to Bernie: Alaska, Hawaii and Wisconsin. They could represent a resurgence for him if he reworks his message around the Coronavirus and the hard times that will follow.

Bernie has been rising in the national polls since Coronavirus has started to spread. There's a reason for this and it revolves around the relevancy of his platform.

It would be a big mistake for him to surrender now.

Bernie initiated a Fireside Chat that had an amazing viewership. I think this is a time when people are looking for just that: hope and a compassionate leader who is determined to fight for their well-being and lead them out of this crisis.

Bernie is not Trump. He's not a blowhard like Trump, but he needs to inspire more confidence. He needs to remind people that although the Coronavirus will lead to recession and maybe depression, this is the perfect time to invest in people, education and the environment to lift them out of this crisis and the despair in so many who were not favored by Trump's policies. He needs to evoke FDR and how he tackled Hard Times by investing in the poor, the unemployed, workers and farmers and even the young and how it was a successful strategy that got the country out of the Great Depression.

If Bernie had used the FDR analogy to explain his policy platform it would ease people's minds that his ideas are not radical at all, that FDR had a similar bold and risky vision that worked in the worst of times, and will work in what will soon be hard times again.

If Bernie had crafted his campaign around a message of investing in the well-being of everyone when a nation needs it most as FDR did that message would be resonating so loudly and clearly at this time when healthcare is a burning priority and when depression looms on the horizon, that people would be comforted in knowing that if it worked with FDR then Bernie is on the right track and as in past hard times Bernie's platform is exactly tuned in to what's required and not Biden's watered-down half measures that offer little to no protection at all for average people but same ol' protection for Wall Street.

If Bernie starts drawing a parallel between FDR's New Deal and his policies of M4A, free education and the Green New Deal and presents them as building on that New Deal, and as the required remedy now that Hard Times are once again descending on the U.S. then he will have landslide victories to follow.

Bernie has the right policy platform for what is unfolding, and he must seize the time he will be in Vermont to rework his message and improve his salespitch.

(And next time, he should use a comfortable chair for his chat next to his wood burning stove, fireplace or bookcase, not the uncomfortable rustic chairs he used last time.)

Posted by: Circe | Mar 19 2020 3:22 utc | 173

Interesting how the left was so easily duped about Tulsi. The controlled opposition mocking bird press, The New Yorker, Jacobin and Intercept hit pieces on Tulsi were bullshit, about as credible a Russiagate, yet the commentariat has internalized
the memes----Stealth Republican--Al Sisa Lover--Hindu Nazi, etc.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 19 2020 3:27 utc | 174

Sisi,of course. Tulsi is still a candidate. They say Bernie is thinking of dropping out. What then? He throws his delegates to Biden, game over? Is this "revolution" so fucking clueless they'd let him do that? There needs to be a lot of pressure on ol' Bern right now and the left punditry is already waxing poetic about 2024! Yeesh! Somebody needs to tell him to back Tulsi; it's the honorable thing to do.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 19 2020 5:42 utc | 175

Thanks Uncle Tungsten, if only there were a couple of more like you at the bar.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 19 2020 5:47 utc | 176

Ha ha ha ha ha ha .... It never changes.

"Tulsi Gabbard Suspends Campaign, Endorses Joe Biden"

Posted by: Tom_LX | Mar 19 2020 15:10 utc | 177


Well at least now the Tulsitards will STFU. But probably not as they'll expect her 7th level chess machinations to allow her to end war as Secretary of Defense. (eye roll)

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 19 2020 15:50 utc | 178

Tulsi Gabbard ends presidential campaign, backs Joe Biden

LOL. Joe Biden is at the center of the 'regime change' wars that was Tulsi's signature issue.

Fake left candidates have no principles.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19 2020 16:00 utc | 179

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19 2020 16:00 utc | 181

She's a CFR puppy to make the Patriots feel warm. When they erased her name from their web site it was clear that they had something to hide.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Mar 19 2020 16:16 utc | 180

Money Can't Buy You Love but it will buy Trump 4 more years !!!!

The White House wants to give you $1,000. Here's how it could work

Posted by: Tom_LX | Mar 19 2020 16:26 utc | 181

I thought Tulsi Gabbard said there was rot in the Democratic party? Her support for Biden is the biggest betrayal in american politics this century. Bernie and Tulsi sure did put an end to the Democratic party.

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 19 2020 17:11 utc | 182

There is no political solution
To our troubled evolution
Have no faith in constitution
There is no bloody revolution

We are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world ...

Our so called leaders speak
With words they try to jail you
They subjugate the meek
But it's the rhetoric of failure

We are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world ...

Where does the answer lie?
Living from day to day
If it's something we can't buy
There must be another way

We are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world

Are spirits in the material world...

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 19 2020 17:20 utc | 183

Trisha @185: Where does the answer lie?

The answer lies in valuing our humanity.

Those who wish to control us, don't.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19 2020 17:40 utc | 184

So, what now, Gabbardistas?

Tulsi Gabbard Suspends Her Presidential Campaign, Endorses Joe Biden

Not so funny to bash Bernie Sanders now, is it?

Posted by: vk | Mar 19 2020 17:42 utc | 185

Well, the Rabbit wins this one. Circe, isn't it time you went Green. The Democrats are just the Republicans in sheep's clothing. They all belong to the corporatista party.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Mar 19 2020 17:52 utc | 186

Losers lose and some mothers weep 
For shallow youths that took the leap
Their faith abused by a fascist creep
Who says it's only safe to sleep
In a nation of bloodthirsty sheep.

Towns and counties try to keep
On going but the going's steep
Their leadership's all sold out cheap
And real trouble runs real deep
In a nation of bloodthirsty sheep

Forspacious pockets line majestically
From shining fee to shining fee
And in the fruited plain it's plain to see
They're giving death not liberty

So shall we go without a peep 
And pile upon the smoldering heap
Where amber waves of toxins seep
Where what we've sowed is what we'll reap?

Or will Rupert guarantee a sweep.
Will Condi climb on Cheney's bleep
To paste more ribbons on every Jeep
And all the little Hummer's go Beep! Beep!
In a nation of blood thirsty sheep?

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 19 2020 18:18 utc | 187

I guess Tulsi decided to cash that check the DNC offered, too bad that the ink in that check was written in her supporters' tears. It's not the worst political betrayal ever, but it is the worst political betrayal in the last 20 years and her supporters will remember it when she goes out to stump for Biden. So whatever legitimacy they hoped to buy with her endorsement has been evaporated but in a larger sense, I don't think the DNC establishment really cares, if Tulsi destroys her reputation endorsing Biden in 2020, it just means she's less of a threat in 2024/2028. Tulsi had her moment, and she just spoiled it forever, but at least she got that check!

Posted by: Kadath | Mar 19 2020 19:14 utc | 188

Kadath @190: It's not the worst political betrayal ever ...

I think that assessment is a little premature. The election isn't over. Tulsi may still play a part. Biden still has to pick a VP.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19 2020 19:19 utc | 189

Pat Lang @SST:

I’m truly surprised she endorsed Joe over Bernie. It’s a long shot, but here’s a woman for Biden to pick as his running mate. I think he’d be a genius to do so.

<> <> <> <> <> <>

Deep-State has chosen: Biden-Tulsi 2020


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19 2020 21:00 utc | 190

vk @187:

Just because Tulsi is a fraud doesn't mean that Bernie isn't.

I can now go back to the Greens and the various Socialist parties with good conscience. :-)

Posted by: corvo | Mar 19 2020 22:22 utc | 191

Jackrabbit: I still think it unlikely Biden would pick Tulsi. Not impossible, but unlikely. For one thing, the Dim Party brass hates her. For another, they don't feel any need for her. What's she going to do, deliver all of those Electoral College votes from Hawaii and American Samoa? Kambamba, Klobberchair, or that woman in Georgia who couldn't even win a ticket to Washington -- all much more likely.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 19 2020 22:26 utc | 192

Kadath @190:

I hope Tulsi was smart enough to wait to see if the check cleared. If I know Tom Perez and his gang, they stopped payment on it before the ink was dry.

So maybe I should hope Tulsi wasn't smart enough to wait to see if the check cleared!

Posted by: corvo | Mar 19 2020 22:28 utc | 193

Tulsi should not have endorsed Biden until Bernie announces whether he's staying in the race. I'm pretty shocked and disappointed she rushed to endorse Biden. She could have waited!

FGS! Biden promoted the invasion of Iraq! What was she thinking?!?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 19 2020 22:33 utc | 194

b @150:

I admit I'm a newcomer, and I appreciate both your site and your work. That much said, patience isn't always a virtue.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 19 2020 22:34 utc | 195

the fact tulsi came out and supported biden seems to really cheapen tulsi as i see it... oh well..

Posted by: james | Mar 19 2020 22:54 utc | 196

Soooo Sanders is the last one to give in to the evil empire. That speaks well for him IMO. We'll see how long he stays in to keep his message alive, and in the conversation. The carona virus SNAFU may actually help his message resonate. At any rate, I think as far as his run for the nomination is concerned, he's toast.( no duh)

Now we'll all wait to see what gal Biden picks, to further the empire's quest at global domination. No matter who wins the upcoming "election", the empire wins in the end.

Bend over, and lube up workers....

Posted by: ben | Mar 19 2020 23:47 utc | 197

Whether or not Biden picks Gabbard as VP running mate, Jackrabbit's early identification of "Biden & Gabbard" as potential running mates is very impressive.

There is a lot of nonsense spoken about Gabbard but she has one real area of concern that damages her credibility in foreign relations (her field of interest) and that is her association with Hindu nationalism. It is not that she has sympathy with India/Hinduism/Modi, or that Gabbard receives (I believe) significant funding from Hindu interests (I believe American Hindu's are wealthy) - she is, after all, Hindu herself - but that she has allowed this to compromise her (as I suspected it would). She proved this in recent months when Muslims in India were lynched by Hindus (with state involvement) during Trump's visit. Many would have noticed that Trump didn't say anything but fewer would have noticed that Gabbard also said nothing. I would argue in failing to do so Gabbard indicated that she was just like all the rest.

In endorsing Biden, Gabbard is also supporting the US regime-change deep state that arranged to shoot-down MH-17.

(The evidence indicates that MH-17 was intentionally directed into the area where it was shot down and also that it was a jet that took MH-17 down - this plan would have originated from US/NATO. I know that many posters will be convinced that it was a buk - from the government side, rather than the rebel side - and that this indicates an unintentional takedown of MH17, but this is just not the case - MH17 was taken out by a jet [the rebels had no jets] and it was intentional. This is why the investigation of MH17 is so obviously fixed.)

Because this is her area of expertise, Gabbard would be very aware of this. Therefore, Gabbard, in endorsing Biden (a Ukraine regime change carpet-bagger), loses all credibility as an advocate for ending regime change wars.

A Biden/Gabbard ticket represents an unpleasant soup of US deep state, Hindu/Indian nationalist, pro-Israeli interests, anti-Russia interests, regime change carpet-baggers, murderers and Epstein/paedophile clients and cover-up artists. Which, of course, is exactly where Trump stands.

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 20 2020 0:15 utc | 198

ADKC said;"Because this is her area of expertise, Gabbard would be very aware of this. Therefore, Gabbard, in endorsing Biden (a Ukraine regime change carpet-bagger), loses all credibility as an advocate for ending regime change wars."

"A Biden/Gabbard ticket represents an unpleasant soup of US deep state, Hindu/Indian nationalist, pro-Israeli interests, anti-Russia interests, regime change carpet-baggers, murderers and Epstein/paedophile clients and cover-up artists. Which, of course, is exactly where Trump stands."


Posted by: ben | Mar 20 2020 0:39 utc | 199

Hawaii is one of the next primaries to come up in early April. Bernie had a great chance of sweeping that state, but now that Tulsi endorsed Biden she basically screwed Bernie's chance to win another state.

She should have waited for Bernie to drop out! Even Warren hasn't endorsed yet, although not dropping out before Super Tuesday hurt Bernie in a big way. What a stupid, nonsensical move on Tulsi's part. Ugh.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 20 2020 0:53 utc | 200

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