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March 10, 2020

2020 Presidential Election Thread 04

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WAKE UP BERNIE! There IS a movement and it has been yours to lead for a while, but it is not yours to surrender again to the Dame Named Clinton! It isn’t your movement Bernie, it’s the Labor Movement, the Civil Rights Movement, the Antiwar Movement and Occupy Wall Street. Your leadership has been utterly vanquished by the above mentioned DNC and you might think that it’s your prerogative call for retreat and another four years of organizing and rebuilding, but you do not have that right! There is another valiant leader ready and able to continue, and she is still in the fight. Tulsi has stood with you all the way and has suffered every calumny fired against you and much much more, including, sadly from your own lieutenants. There’s no need for retreat and rebuilding, the Movement is there now; it is strong and it needs to be led! You may not ask this Movement to stand by and wait for said DNC to inform you of to whom she wishes to entrust its destruction. WAKE UP!

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 11:28 utc | 101

Obviously DNC electoral shenanigans played a major role in Bernie's astonishing -- and surprising -- defeats earlier this week, but I'd like to suggest another reason, namely coronavirus.

This may seem counterintuitive, because wouldn't people flock to the candidate promoting real healthcare in a time of pandemic crisis?

Not in the USA, which is at its heart (I use that term sarcastically) a libertarian dog-eat-dog society. The majority wants affordable quality healthcare, but doesn't want to pay for anyone else's healthcare. There's also the reasonable suspicion that paying our depraved and corroded government for any service is money wasted. It was Margaret Thatcher who said there is no such thing as society; Ronald Reagan, if he'd been sentient enough, could've said it first, and now that Reaganism has infected both parties beyond cure, we are seeing the results. Bernie represents, however inconsistently and poorly, an attitude toward government that recognizes its duty to nurture society -- and Americans never had any use for society (or civilization, for that matter).

In the USA, the reaction to societal collapse is not solidarity and communitarianism; it is further societal collapse.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 12 2020 14:27 utc | 102

NOBTS @102:

We really should consider the possibility that for Bernie, it really is, ultimately, about Bernie.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 12 2020 14:29 utc | 103

psychohistorian @83:

(quoting Hedges)
"The Democrats and their liberal apologists adopt tolerant positions on issues regarding race, religion, immigration, women’s rights and sexual identity and pretend this is politics."

It's worse than that, because Dims gave up long ago on seriously promoting rights wrt any of those issues. It's all empty talk meant to fool people into thinking that Dims care. The best the Dims do is get out of the way when enough people -- especially moneyed donors -- push them; that's the only explanation for the progress made in gay/lesbian (but sadly, not transsexual) rights during the Obama Administration.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 12 2020 14:35 utc | 104

Russ @96:

I haven't seen him explicitly attack her, but he happily joins his Dem colleagues in pretending she doesn't exist.

Just another of many clues to how the election is rigged for this go-around.

Also notable: how the media play along.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2020 14:54 utc | 105

If only this site allowed editing of already-posted comments. At the beginning of 103 I wrote:

"Obviously DNC electoral shenanigans played a major role in Bernie's astonishing -- and surprising -- defeats earlier this week, but I'd like to suggest another reason, namely coronavirus."

I meant to say suspicioius instead of "surprising."

Posted by: corvo | Mar 12 2020 14:58 utc | 106


Role of a Wall Street Law Firm in the Joe Biden Resurgence Raises Alarms for Progressives

" The name of the giant Wall Street law firm – Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP – emerges as a common denominator.

Paul Weiss has not only been a major donor to the Biden campaign but it was simultaneously a major donor to the campaigns of the four presidential candidates who dropped out of the race and then endorsed Biden at critical moments in his miraculous resuscitation. (As the Center for Responsive Politics notes on its website, the law firm itself is prohibited from making donations under federal law. The money came from the law firm’s partners, employees, their immediate family members or its PAC.)"

Pam Marten's "Wall Street On Parade," is responsible for serious reporting, something rare in the USA.

This is like handing the "peasants" a $50 bill to vote the "correct" way...


Posted by: donten | Mar 12 2020 15:18 utc | 107

@ twitter dot com/_whitneywebb and at mintpressnews we see plans suggesting the "election" and the virus epidemic interact...

New plan, they tell us how it went..."
It’s Time to Cancel the U.S. Presidential Campaign
From party conventions to in-person voting, the coronavirus pandemic has made traditional election activities into deadly gambles." (foreign policy)

Of course Chin will be, is being, blamed for the "leaks" at Fort Detrick...so it's "China's evil buggering of the exceptional and essential imperial election...dadadada...

Posted by: Walter | Mar 12 2020 15:26 utc | 108

@corvo #107
It is always easier to claim "rigging" than it is to acknowledge that maybe Sanders' messaging and campaign just weren't very good.
I noted repeatedly that his focus on youth concerns: cancel student debt, medicare for all, etc are more urgent for the under 35 - and could be viewed negatively by those who are already established.
The voting patterns in every state primary so far support this: Sanders lost in every state voter demographic over 45.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 12 2020 16:05 utc | 109

NOBTS #89, c1ue #100

Gabbard may have 0+n chance of winning the nomination but Bernie's chances are 0-n! Sanders pride and loyalty to the DNC will prevent him from ever endorsing Gabbard under any circumstances. Which it too bad because Gabbard is a far braver and stronger campaigner. Sure Sanders has good ideas that resonate with a lot of people but unfortunately he's from another era when attacking the character and fitness of your political opponent was considered crude and impolite. Does Bernie not understand that nice guys finish last? Bernie seems incapable of calling it like it is about Biden's dementia shameful political record.

Posted by: Carciofi | Mar 12 2020 16:46 utc | 110

Posted by: Walter | Mar 12 2020 15:26 utc | 109

Yeh, the BS in the US of A has been spread real thick over the last 20 years.

Holding the Fort

After 18 yrs. nothings has been learned as the Ship of State is on a constant course.
Back at School

Posted by: Tom_LX | Mar 12 2020 16:59 utc | 111

@Carciofi #111
I don't get it.
I like what I've seen of Tulsi Gabbard, but she has 2 delegates.
Why would Sanders drop his own campaign and endorse Gabbard now?
Nor is it very clear that Gabbard has better support among the groups which are clearly not supporting Sanders, but there's so little data that it is possible.
Changing to a different Democrat presidential candidate at this late juncture is completely pointless.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 12 2020 17:19 utc | 112

I'm 72, and living in a senior community in So.-Cal. My most often heard comment from my peers is;" He's a communist, I could never vote for him", referring of course, to Sanders.

People above the age of 60 remember the "cold war", and a Democratic Socialist is considered to be just another Communist in the minds of a heavy percentage of seniors.

Until Sanders works on dispelling that notion, he'll never garner the lions share of their votes. And, MOST of that age group, votes in the 90% range.

Posted by: ben | Mar 12 2020 17:51 utc | 113

ben @114

Sanders should also get a large percentage of the black vote. He was active in Civil Rights before most.

But he stays silent as the Democratic Party to works it's "magic" on the Black mis-leadership class.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2020 18:02 utc | 114

Bernie Sanders publicly addressed the Coronavirus issue just a few moments ago and he was absolutely amazing in his delivery and proposals. I mean he was so Presidential and really knocked it out of the park on every detailed point!

If you do a three way split screen of Trump last night from the Oval, and Biden earlier THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT BERNIE SANDERS was way and above better on substance, delivery, demeanor and appearance.

I'm stunned and my admiration for this man just tripled. I hope people watch his speech today and see why Bernie Sanders must be the next President of the United States.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 12 2020 19:33 utc | 115

P.S.to my 114; That's assuming actual "voting" really matters, other than therapy..

Posted by: ben | Mar 12 2020 19:35 utc | 116

c1ue

The point in changing candidates is that the current one has already lost. It's a charisma contest; Tulsi has tons and Bernie has even less than Biden which is why he lost. If Tulsi hit the ground running with Bern's endorsement she'd mop the floor with Joe and then the Donald. Sure it would be a bold move; what's wrong with that?

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 19:44 utc | 117

Jimmy Dore: Bernie Declares "Biden Can Beat Trump!" WTF!?!? (vid).

Posted by: S | Mar 12 2020 19:52 utc | 118

None of Bernie's running mates were capable of running a campaign on his level of quality and decency and attention to the real moral obligations to serve the people of this country. The party leadership has sabotaged his campaign from behind the scenes, as they did in 2016.

All that matters to the DNC is to drag Biden's mentally diminished figure over the finish line in Milwaukee. The less chance Biden has to open his mouth between now and the opening gavel at the convention, the better it is for DNC plans to shut down debate, and bar the door to any debate about our country's crisis of democracy.

Power for its own sake at the cost of everything: if you can bear to behold this horror in the flesh, just glance at the face of James Carville, DNC gorgon, one of our rarer monsters. The determination in his face is inhuman; and like the others of his kind, he would rather see this country die of all its old sins than allow one just man to become president.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 12 2020 21:05 utc | 119

Have been looking about the web a bit today and seeing all the controlled opposition happily heading back into their comfy burrows to wait for their checks from Pierre Omidyar or the NED. Job well done little faux lefties!

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 21:11 utc | 120

Hey circe, you want to see presidential?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YiBe3X5OdY

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 21:20 utc | 121

Gee, a nuclear war might make election unnecessary, instead of postponed due to virus...

Not-so-Nuclear War
March 10, 2020

russiancouncil dot ru/en

Very jolly!

Excerpt> "...might sound like a paradox, but both superpowers are escalating the strategic nuclear risks by solving situational problems caused by the lack of political trust. One problem deals with the imaginary lack of low-intensity deterrence against Russia’s aggressive behaviour, while the other continues to safeguard the risks of a no-less-imaginary NATO intrusion amid the continuing weakening of conventional forces.

All the conditions for a self-fulfilling prophecy are met. "

Did not fatboy brag about getting deterrence in between "we're winning!" ??

Posted by: Walter | Mar 12 2020 22:07 utc | 122

iraq - usa - iran proxy war continues... usa-uk wants to strike iran in iraq - iraq says that is a no go, but the usa-uk continue... these fuckers are slow to get the message..

i don't think they want the message - get out! no.. they have wars to maintain and military arms to off load...

Posted by: james | Mar 13 2020 1:14 utc | 123

c1ue @110:

"It is always easier to claim "rigging" than it is to acknowledge that maybe Sanders' messaging and campaign just weren't very good."

Perhaps both are the case.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 13 2020 2:15 utc | 124

Things are beginning to go very wrong for Trump - he is likely to lose the next election, even against Biden.

The coronavirus pandemic looks likely to expose US lack of preparedness, lack of prompt action and lack of universal affordable healthcare.

The escalating financial crash will expose the hollowed-out nature of US institutions, the lack of a safety-net, the excess of greed and lack of future for US capitalism.

It is likely that Trump will be blamed for this, that he will be punished by the electorate and the US will have a new President come November.

If Biden becomes President then Ukraine provides the example as to how he will allow America to be treated when it is in crisis (i.e. the crisis will be used to further enrich the elite and degrade ordinary working people, just like in 2008 only much worse).

Everything that Sanders says about the problems of domestic America is the action that ordinary Americans will require if this coming crash is as severe as many believe that it will be.

Posted by: ADKC | Mar 13 2020 3:37 utc | 125

"
"Neither Biden nor Trump will obstruct the establishment, because they are at its very heart. The Republican and Democratic leaderships are there to ensure that, before a candidate gets selected to compete in the parties’ name, he or she has proven they are power-friendly. Two candidates, each vetted for obedience to power."

http://failedevolution.blogspot.com/2020/03/how-bernie-bros-were-invented-then.html

Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2020 4:21 utc | 126

Putting lipstick on a pig.

I doubt Tulsi will run as vp for Biden her lipstick is just way too red.

Now any other person who wears turd brown could do for Biden as they will have to kiss his arse every day.

I could be in breach of pc here but where Biden is concerned nothing is correct.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 13 2020 5:38 utc | 127

Corvo #125

It's called Mixed Economy stupid. And those words and a simple explanation NEVER came out of Bernie's mouth. He knew he had to counter the 'commie' red bait tag and speak clearly about

Mixed economy

like USA had only a few decades ago but he was silent and so lost the oldies to Biden. A give away!

A pulled punch

Silent on ballot rigging - a give away

A pulled punch.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 13 2020 5:58 utc | 128

Corvo #125

It's called Mixed Economy stupid. And those words and a simple explanation NEVER came out of Bernie's mouth. He knew he had to counter the 'commie' red bait tag and speak clearly about

Mixed economy

like USA had only a few decades ago but he was silent and so lost the oldies to Biden. A give away!

A pulled punch

Silent on ballot rigging - a give away

A pulled punch.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 13 2020 7:56 utc | 129

@corvo #125
It is certainly possible. However, rigging across multiple states - without one single person saying anything - is a lot less credible given the significant number of Sanders supporters - open and secret - within the Democrat party and the various state vote-counting bureaucracies.
Hopefully those who are alleging rigging are actually investigating it, as opposed to just using this as an excuse.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2020 16:25 utc | 130

Some people are just lucky. Not only do they get to piss off Joe Biden the Air Cadet but they get a gun as a prize.

Detroit Auto Worker in Biden Gun Video Gets a New ‘AR-14’

link

Posted by: Tom_LX | Mar 13 2020 17:58 utc | 131

I'm going to post what I posted on the main-page topic here as well, because people really, really need a major wake-up call.:

I was under the impression that the most advanced biological/germ agent research is developed in the Negev Desert? Anyway, how do you like your slow responder, Ziofascist Trump, now???

And the mentally declining Joe Biden will be no better only as compliant for the Ziofascist rulers to use as a sockpuppet while they continue to control the population in more ways than one.

The response to Coronavirus says FU to people. In other words the one-percent are saying that less 99% to spend on is more wealth for their global designs and security.

Iran is under severe Ziofascist sanctions with people dropping like flies there. Naturally Iranian people will point the finger at their government when in fact everyone should point the finger at the U.S. government not only cleansing its own.

And of course a virus conveniently cleanses/eliminates the immuno weakest, the ill and the elderly. You see it's a much more economical solution than Bernie Sanders universal solution: protect all humanity. How interesting and ironic that the young who support him are in fact also protecting a present and future aging population, ergo Sanders is the enemy of the ruling class and their global designs.

This may seem irrelevant, but I'm somewhat knowledgeable on film, and as a rule I don't very much like science fiction, preferring film noir as the superior genre of all time, however, someone recently suggested to me an interesting 1973 science fiction thriller loosely based on the 1966 science fiction novel Make Room! Make Room! The film in question is. Soylent Green.

The film received mixed critical reviews at the time, but one criticism stands out:

Penelope Gilliatt of The New Yorker was negative, writing, "This pompously prophetic thing of a film hasn't a brain in its beanbag. Where is democracy? Where is the popular vote? Where is women's lib? Where are the uprising poor, who would have suspected what was happening in a moment?"

[Wiki sourced]

I must repeat: Where are the uprising poor, who would have suspected what was happening in a moment? INDEED! We are in that very moment. Let's not forget the critic wrote that in 1973 and the film and novel were based on the YEAR 2022!

TG! We are still in the year 2020 and it's still not too late to put someone in power with the vision to see that what's happening here at this moment is but a PREVIEW of the worst to come.

So you all know that especially after 9/11 we moved into the deep end version of 1984 with the media being the Ministry of Propaganda and, surveillance, satellite and internet, Big Brother. So of course with the public, having already been subjected to mass brainwash and fear control, it's not so easy now to get them to SEE WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.

It appears we are now moving into the era of climate disaster and therefore the population control stage by TPTB.

Art imitates life to open our eyes and we are right in the thick of it and have an opportunity to break free or at least make a serious attempt at breaking free.

And then people try to ridicule me as an alarmist and ask me to cool my jets at this monumental crossroads.

When I write that we are at a critical moment faced with a do or die decision, I ain't doing it to appear crazy! BELIEVE ME.

So should Bernie Sanders stay in the race?

HELL YEAH!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 13 2020 18:58 utc | 132

The Federal Reserve is pumping 1.5 TRILLION $ into the stock market to help compensate market disruptions from Coronavirus on Wall Street and Trump meanwhile thinks that the 99% most exposed to the effects of Coronavirus should EAT CAKE.

gop-rejects-economic-relief-working-people-feds-1.5-trillion-stock-market-injection

Posted by: Circe | Mar 13 2020 20:10 utc | 133

ut @ 129&130; Hell yes, worth saying twice. Such a simple solution to the "red baiting"
but, unspoken.

Makes one wonder, who the hell is advising Bernie?

Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2020 20:33 utc | 134

Title of an article from the Financial Times. I'd link the article, but can't for free.

"Become an FT subscriber to read:
"What the Nordic mixed economy can teach today’s new left"

But Bernie can't grab a clue...

Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2020 20:48 utc | 135

Here's one I can link to;

http://theconversation.com/what-the-world-can-learn-about-equality-from-the-nordic-model-99797

Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2020 20:51 utc | 136

An excerpt from my 137;

"The Nordic countries are all social-democratic countries with mixed economies. They are not socialist in the classical sense – they are driven by financial markets rather than by central plans, although the state does play a strategic role in the economy. They have systems of law that protect personal and corporate property and help to enforce contracts. They are democracies with checks, balances and countervailing powers."

Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2020 20:54 utc | 137

Circe #133

So should Bernie Sanders stay in the race?

HELL YEAH!


Well he can't be seen to back out now.
But is he in the race to look after 'his good friend Joe' or will he say something about Tulsi being censored from the debates.

As I see it Circe, Biden is no friend of Bernie Sanders, in fact I would say Biden hates his guts and every policy he stands for. Biden has few friends, maybe the $US and maybe his family. Beyond that Biden has no friends, just acquaintances.

Every time Bernie speaks he forgets to mention Mixed Economy and lets the fascists take a run.

Have you noticed that Circe?

The oldies need reassurance before they will grasp Bernies policies, but Bernie holds that policy just out of their reach every time by not explaining what he means by Mixed Economy. So simple and yet never out of Bernies mouth and he has been delivering this policy platform for decades. He has to know the fragility and the difficulty of people overcoming their 'anti commie' programming after all these years.

Bernie should announce his VP team mate too. But no, not yet, its just out of reach.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 14 2020 3:14 utc | 138

ut@139; You bet, ut, somehow, "its just out of reach."

Makes one understand Jrabbit's point of view. T. Gabbard would be a great choice for VP..

But, as you say; "Somehow, its just outta' reach."

Posted by: ben | Mar 14 2020 3:49 utc | 139

Circe #133

So should Bernie Sanders stay in the race?

HELL YEAH!


Well he can't be seen to back out now.
But is he in the race to look after 'his good friend Joe' or will he say something about Tulsi being censored from the debates.

As I see it Circe, Biden is no friend of Bernie Sanders, in fact I would say Biden hates his guts and every policy he stands for. Biden has few friends, maybe the $US and maybe his family. Beyond that Biden has no friends, just acquaintances.

Every time Bernie speaks he forgets to mention Mixed Economy and lets the fascists take a run.

Have you noticed that Circe?

The oldies need reassurance before they will grasp Bernies policies, but Bernie holds that policy just out of their reach every time by not explaining what he means by Mixed Economy. So simple and yet never out of Bernies mouth and he has been delivering this policy platform for decades. He has to know the fragility and the difficulty of people overcoming their 'anti commie' programming after all these years.

Bernie should announce his VP team mate too. But no, not yet, its just out of reach.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 14 2020 4:11 utc | 140

The DNC has played a great pawn game. pushing one then another culminating in a grand Bait and Switch Gambit sacrificing them all to push a creaky knight who can bring in the desired stalemate, a brokered convention; the game plan all along. The Bernie movement has had only one true and loyal ally on the board the whole time, and that’s Tulsi Gabbard. All the punditry is gaga over the daring play of the DNC; how about some daring play from the movement? There’s no chance that Bern might prevent the brokered convention. There’s no chance that he might gain the nomination. But Tulsi starting fresh with Bernie’s endorsement, and delegates might sweep the board the rest of the way. If there is a movement then this is its chance!
Does anyone out there understand that this is possible? Just as possible as the resurrection of Biden; it’s just strategy!

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 14 2020 5:55 utc | 141

Tulsi being presidential: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg6BQFdnA_U

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 14 2020 6:08 utc | 142

See, where there is no voter suppression Bernie wins 2 to 1 in line with the polling. Bernie just won the Northern Mariana Islands, getting 4 delegates to Biden's 2. 😁

Hey! Somethin's something.

Only 155 delegate separation or less cause Washington State still has not finished counting.

You know what? Bernie needs to deliver a sucker punch in the debate! If ever there was a time to sell the public on the benefits of M4A, it's NOW!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 14 2020 14:54 utc | 143

Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2020 20:54 utc | 138

Color me cynical.

From your link
"Yet the Nordic countries are small and more ethnically and culturally homogeneous than most developed countries. These special conditions have facilitated high levels of nationwide trust and cooperation – and consequently a willingness to pay higher-than-average levels of tax.

As a result, Nordic policies and institutions cannot be easily exported to other countries. Large developed countries, such as the US, UK, France and Germany, are more diverse in terms of cultures and ethnicities. Exporting the Nordic model would create major challenges of assimilation, integration, trust-enhancement, consensus-building and institution-formation. Nonetheless, it is still important to learn from it and to experiment."

Or if you prefer Hannah Arendt

See, this is not a nation-state. America is not a nation-state, and Europeans have a hell of a time to understand this simple fact which, after all, they could know theoretically. It is…this country is united neither by heritage, nor by memory, nor by soil, nor by language, nor by origin from the same…by nat…there are no natives here. The natives were the Indians. Everything else are citizens, and these citizens are united only by one thing–and that is a lot. That is, you become a citizen of the United States by simple consent to the Constitution.

Actually, British, German and French models up to the 1980's and still today, are not that different. Their economy is mixed. As is the US economy, just the degree and the direction state intervention takes are different.

Sanders has a lot of nation building and class fight left to do.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 14 2020 16:50 utc | 144

And still a Mixed Economy, no matter the tax rates. Those tax rates to be determined by "we the people". At least in a functioning democracy, which we haven't got.

It's the explanation that's needed, and I'm baffled why Sanders excepts the "Communist"label that DJT and others continually pin him with.

Posted by: ben | Mar 14 2020 19:48 utc | 145

Circe #144

You know what? Bernie needs to deliver a sucker punch in the debate! If ever there was a time to sell the public on the benefits of M4A, it's NOW!

Sure that a good thing for Bernie to land a sucker punch. Not just M4A, that's just one step. There is Mixed Economy.

He needs to say right to Biden's face:- "Its the MIXED ECONOMY stupid! You know: the economy before Reagan that made America productive and when we had real science in the EPA and Health and FAA and Educators in Public Schools. The MIXED ECONOMY that taxed fairly across the board to pay for the things that MADE AMERICA GREAT. Not a socialism but a simple, fair, mixed economy."

But he wont say that.

I saw him tell Biden the questions he will ask so Biden can prepare his answers and they were the wrong questions from someone seeking to really win.

I have not seen Bernie give the simple reassurances to bring back an economy only 50 years old that worked for the middle class then that are the fearful retired class now. The words of reassurance and victory. He knows that fact. He is a seasoned politician who knows in his bones what people need to hear to elect him. He just needs to do it!

But he wont say that. (as it is clear now) because he appears to have given up to the fix. Biden will possibly go down AFTER the convention or just before. A new bright young thing will be propped into place and so on...

There will be a sucker punch alright.

I trust you and all the Bernie passionates can stand the blow circe. But more importantly I hope that there is a sane and committed Tulsi who will run against these Dem turds an go independent.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 15 2020 5:39 utc | 146

ut @ 47; Should be Sanders/Gabbard, but it won't be.

Go here to hear Gabbard's solution for the carona problem. Scroll down, you'll see it.
https://jimmydorecomedy.com/

Posted by: ben | Mar 15 2020 5:58 utc | 147

Woops, make that 147.

Posted by: ben | Mar 15 2020 6:00 utc | 148

ben #148

Should be Sanders/Gabbard, but it won't be.

Thanks ben but I am totally inclined to a Gabard/Sanders hierarchy.
Time for someone who speaks with clarity on a broad range of critical policy issues to take the lead. I do believe that Tulsi speaks right into where USians are listening and would generate the voter enthusiasm needed for change.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 15 2020 7:15 utc | 149

NOBTS #121

Have been looking about the web a bit today and seeing all the controlled opposition happily heading back into their comfy burrows to wait for their checks from Pierre Omidyar or the NED. Job well done little faux lefties!

Information Clearing House or Information Cleansing House??

Posted at Information Clearing House
Editor Tom Feeley
The Trump Presidency is over
This was an article written by a notorious Bush white house writer Peter Wehner.!
It basically says Trump is unfit to be President of USA. Bla blab bla

I wrote:

“The failure started a LONG TIME ago. Obama agreed to the neo liberal economic gutting of the USA. Before that Bush and Bush and Clinton and Reagan and so on, This destruction of trust in government professional service since Reagan has rat f'kd the USA, destroyed trust with science and careers in the public sector. The private sector just rakes cash, it never invests in science outside of immediate cash.

Every repugnant and democrazi presidency and congress has failed the USA people for fifty years and more. They are disgusting saboteurs of the public service in the country. They are scum. They believe in Make America Grovel Again. And they did it.”

It did not get posted and hours later is still unposted !! Other posts appeared in the following hours.

Another blogger wrote: What on earth is this article doing on a supposedly left wing news outlet like ICH? ICH is becoming like a lefty Reader's Digest: essentially white bread with a few wholegrains sprinkled in!

And another wrote - Tom! While the title is catchy, why waste ink on a war criminal oh-so -analytical jerk like this writer? One who could by association just as guilty as bush, cheney, powers, all his gang of murderers?

I just sent $10. while ago.

Hmmm plenty of other posters got through but not my criticism of the Dems and the system. Perhaps I am too blunt for their sensitive readers.

So do I conclude that Information Cleansing House is controlled opposition, a safe site, a limited hangout and a paid mouthpiece? Sad.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 15 2020 9:35 utc | 150

So Bernie held a fireside chat yesterday beside his wood stove cause Bernie may have a cabin by the lake, a home in Washington and his wife a home in Vermont, but he put some wood in the dusty, old wood stove like country folk and spoke on serious issues until the embers glowed. What a simple, good-hearted man he is! He is exactly what all people need as President of the U.S.A.; a People's President.


His fireside chat received 1.1 million views so far. Anyone can link to it on his twitter or website.

Bernie Sanders Fireside Chat

I listened to the whole thing cause I can't get enough of his humanity at this time.

And just to let you know, Bernie is STILL in the race, he's holding an online rally tomorrow and he's encouraging everyone to go vote on Tuesday, wash their hands and keep hope alive.

Everything he's doing and saying makes it clear that this race is not over, that there is still a chance, that we all need someone with his policies who is all for people, their well-being and the planet. He is trying to save people from being swayed into a terrible mistake, as Biden is not a good candidate for this time, and will lose to Trump.

The future holds more and worst existential threats and only a President who truly cares about protecting people and implements universal healthcare and the Green New Deal will be able to meet those serious challenges head on with preparedness.

This is not a time for a corporate shill like Biden with a multitude of fatal flaws!

Bernie is the only one who has what people need most at this time and he will defeat Trump, no doubt about it.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 15 2020 16:01 utc | 151

@ben #138
You quoted

The Nordic countries are all social-democratic countries with mixed economies. They are not socialist in the classical sense – they are driven by financial markets rather than by central plans, although the state does play a strategic role in the economy. They have systems of law that protect personal and corporate property and help to enforce contracts. They are democracies with checks, balances and countervailing powers.

With the exception of Norway - if the Nordic countries were moved to South Africa, South America or Southeast Asia - they wouldn't be anything like they are now. All of them enjoy tremendous benefits exporting timber, paper, electricity etc to Western Europe - something they would not be able to do as well if they were not right beside the EU. They also enjoy great benefits in reaping food trade back.
So it isn't so much their economic models as their location and demographics: they're all small population/low density/high area nations. They're Canada to the Europe as US.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 15 2020 16:13 utc | 152

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