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March 10, 2020

2020 Presidential Election Thread 04

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Obviously the DNC leadership is aware of the fact that a significant percentage of Bernie voters will never vote for Biden under any circumstances. Their strategy is banking on the economy tanking. DJT can easily counter this by continuously bashing them for exploiting the economy/coronavirus crisis and reminding Bernie voters how they've been cheated again.

Good luck everybody!

Posted by: Pig Benis | Mar 10 2020 17:00 utc | 1

PRIMARY POEM

I was ridin’ with my Biden
but I couldn’t see the trail
so I lit a roman candle
and let the fireballs sail

I sensed creepy crawlies
watched with insect eyes
hold me tight, Joe Biden
and we’ll make it through the night

suddenly Joe Biden
screamed a banshee shriek
then laughed maniacally
and kissed me on the cheek

pony soldier, pony soldier
don’t lie to me, he said
yankee doodles dandy
after Hunter goes to bed

somewhere behind us cameras
hungered for a taste
of this sundown’d Joe disaster
so we fled the gym, post haste

the AI isn’t ready, Joe
so you’ve got a few more gigs
we got to make Ohio
want to puff my cig?

I’m Obiden Bama, man
Jill, is that you?
Jill they’re coming after me
and I don’t know what to do

hush Joe, it’s alright
soon you’ll get to sleep
but for now we must keep ridin’
to herd your loyal sheep

Posted by: lizard | Mar 10 2020 17:13 utc | 2

Really want to know which woman the Democratic Party is going to run as VP.

Also, if the coronavirus response creates a scandal will Trump hit the ejector button on Pence?

Posted by: librul | Mar 10 2020 17:24 utc | 3

Here's what journalist Joe Bageant wrote in 2007:

Much of the ongoing battle for America's soul is about healing the souls of these Americans and rousing them from the stupefying glut of commodity and spectacle. It is about making sure that they—and we—refuse to accept torture as the act of "heroes" and babies deformed by depleted uranium as the "price of freedom." Caught up in the great self-referential hologram of imperial America, force-fed goods and hubris like fattened steers, working people like World Championship Wrestling and Confederate flags and flat-screen televisions and the idea of an American empire. ("American Empire! I like the sound of that!" they think to themselves, without even the slightest idea what it means historically.) "The people" doing our hardest work and fighting our wars are not altruistic and probably never were. They don't give a rat's bunghole about the world's poor or the planet or animals or anything else. Not really. "The people" like cheap gas. They like chasing post-Thanksgiving Day Christmas sales. And if fascism comes, they will like that too if the cost of gas isn't too high and Comcast comes through with a twenty-four-hour NFL channel.

That is the American hologram. That is the peculiar illusion we live within, the illusion that holds us together, makes us alike, yet tells each of us we are unique. And it will remain in force until the whole shiteree comes down around our heads. Working people do not deny reality. They create it from the depths of their perverse ignorance, even as the so-called left speaks in non sequiturs and wonders why it cannot gain any political traction. Meanwhile, for the people, it is football and NASCAR and a republic free from married queers and trigger locks on guns. That's what they voted for—an armed and moral republic. And that's what we get when we stand by and watch the humanity get hammered out of our fellow citizens, letting them be worked cheap and farmed like a human crop for profit.

Genuine moral values have jack to do with politics. But in an obsessively religious nation, values remain the most effective smoke screen for larceny by the rich and hatred and fear by the rest. What Christians and so many quiet, ordinary Americans were voting for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004 was fear of human beings culturally unlike themselves, particularly gays and lesbians and Muslims and other non-Christians. That's why in eleven states Republicans got constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage on the ballot. In nine of them the bill passed easily. It was always about fearing and, in the worst cases, hating "the other."

Being a southerner, I have hated in my lifetime. I can remember schoolyard discussions of supposed "nigger knifing" of white boys at night and such. And like most people over fifty, it shows in my face, because by that age we have the faces we deserve. Likewise I have seen hate in others and know it when I see it. And I am seeing more of it now than ever before in my lifetime, which is saying something considering that I grew up down here during the Jim Crow era. Fanned and nurtured by neoconservative elements, the hate is every bit equal to the kind I saw in my people during those violent years. Irrational. Deeply rooted. Based on inchoate fears.

The fear is particularly prevalent in the middle and upper-middle classes here, the very ones most openly vehement about being against using the words nigger and fuck. They are what passes for educated people in a place like Winchester. You can smell their fear. Fear of losing their advantages and money. Fear there won't be enough time to grab and stash enough geet to keep themselves and their offspring in Chardonnay and farting through silk for the next fifty years. So they keep the lie machinery and the smoke generators cranking full blast as long as possible, hoping to elect another one of their own kind to the White House—Democratic or Republican, it doesn't matter so long as they keep the scam going. The Laurita Barrs speak in knowing, authoritative tones, and the inwardly fearful house painter and single-mom forklift driver listen and nod. Why take a chance on voting for a party that would let homos be scout masters?

(Dear Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War, chapter 2)

Nothing falls from the sky. It's all a dialectic process.

Posted by: vk | Mar 10 2020 17:41 utc | 4

librul @3

What would be ideal is a women of color who is progressive but supports the military (as demonstrated by actual military service). Such a kind but tough woman would be a "cross-over" candidate that is acceptable to the establishment but that Bernie can endorse so that he can properly deliver his flock into the folds of the Democratic Party.

Deep-State has Chosen: Biden-Tulsi 2020

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 10 2020 17:42 utc | 5

@3 Really? The DNC etc dislike Gabbard as much if not more than Sanders. Anything is possible but this seems far fetched.

Posted by: Joe | Mar 10 2020 17:58 utc | 6

Exit poll discrepancies in numerous states inc Cal,Texas,Mass... exit poll discrepancies

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Mar 10 2020 18:08 utc | 7

Tdmsresearch.com sorry, not sure what I did wrong.

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Mar 10 2020 18:09 utc | 8

Election results from the computerized vote counts of the 2020 California Democratic Party presidential primary differed significantly from the results projected by the exit poll conducted by Edison Research and published by CNN at poll’s closing. According to the exit poll Sanders won big in CA (by 15%). The unobservable computer counts cut his lead by half (to 7.3%). In the total delegate count to date, substituting the estimated California and Texas exit poll delegate apportionments for the apportionments derived from the computer counts, results in candidate Sanders currently leading candidate Biden by 42 delegates instead of trailing by 45. The possibility exists that massive voter suppression is currently occurring during the extended unfinished count of California ballots.

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Mar 10 2020 18:18 utc | 9

@Peter Fenton

As soon as electronic voting machines were introduced, exit polls stopped being accurate. Weird, isn't it?

Posted by: information_agent | Mar 10 2020 18:20 utc | 10

... from now until Nov. 03 whether or not Biden is the Dems' stand bearer, the entire family will be news:

son, Hunter's paternity suit with a judge who will not entertain any delays.
Jan 30, 2020 Hunter had agreed to pay child support but then, only 3 days ago,

" The mother of Hunter Biden's Arkansas child is again asking a state judge to find him in contempt of court, arguing that the former vice president's son continues to defy court orders in a paternity and child support case."LINK

Baby's Mama should find the repo man armed with a court order to seize his Porsche and the Ukraine money.

bro, Frank is facing allegations of influence peddling
LINK

Jonathan Turkey, Attorney-at-law, dubs it: "If reports are accurate, influence peddling may be something of a family cottage industry."

Quite the family affair.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 10 2020 18:49 utc | 11

- Joe Biden is in the 1st stages of dementing ???

"Stop Calling It A ‘Stutter:’ Dozens of Examples Show Biden’s Dementia Symptoms".

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/06/stop-calling-it-a-stutter-dozens-of-examples-show-bidens-dementia-symptoms/

- I repeat what have said before: A LOT OF US politicians are old to very old. Trump, McConnell, Warren, Bloomberg, Biden, Sanders, Pelosi, Feinstein. These are all over 60 to 70 years old.

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 10 2020 19:13 utc | 12

Whatever happens to the Sanders movement from now on, Bernie has to shoulder some of the blame, for not explaining what Democratic Socialism is, and how it manifests itself in the real world.(mixed economies).

Biden,IMO, will be an unmitigated disaster for the Dems. in the upcoming election. Richly deserved, I should add.

Posted by: ben | Mar 10 2020 19:24 utc | 13

Which elderly politician in America will get coronavirus first? Start a pool? Q: Why is Tulsi Gabbard Still In The Race? A: To Bring The Ruckus! and just in case she is the last one alive.

Posted by: Kali | Mar 10 2020 20:29 utc | 14

Three potential women come to mind as Biden's VP pick: Warren, Obama, and even possibly Clinton.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 10 2020 20:53 utc | 15

Kali @ 14; Thanks for the link. VERY interesting read...

Posted by: ben | Mar 10 2020 21:00 utc | 16

no fun without Circe around :(

Posted by: albagen | Mar 10 2020 21:21 utc | 17

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Mar 10 2020 18:18 utc | 9

Yes, it was a real disaster in Los Angeles, brand new voting machines with touchscreens. Should be a great way to spread Coronavirus. Among other things.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 10 2020 21:24 utc | 18

@ 17 albagen.. i am sure the smiley faces and large letters and etc. etc. will be coming in here soon enough~!

Posted by: james | Mar 10 2020 21:44 utc | 19

albagen #17

no fun without Circe around :(

Yeah 😵
Did Circe withdraw to the cave? 🛸

The Venezuelans may be the first to abandon the ashes ♨️ of voting machines and bring in paper ballots counted by hand in public. Trouble is the death squad Guaido gangs will attack the counting stations.😵🧨

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2020 22:00 utc | 20

US POLITICSMarch 9, 2020
"The Grayzone and CODEPINK demand emergency OAS election observers in 2020 Democratic presidential primary"

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/09/grayzone-codepink-international-election-observers-oas-2020-democratic-primary/

Posted by: ben | Mar 10 2020 22:17 utc | 21

An excerpt from my article posted @ 21;

"In light of clear irregularities in voting results in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary and structural barriers to voter participation, The Grayzone and CODEPINK call on the Organization of American States (OAS) to provide emergency international election monitors in the primary contest."

“The OAS must send an emergency election monitoring team to the United States to ensure independent scrutiny of a presidential primary that has been marred by clear irregularities and the systematic and highly discriminatory obstruction of citizens’ right to vote,” Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal stated. "

Posted by: ben | Mar 10 2020 22:23 utc | 22

Are Saudi at economic war with US? Was US involved in some kind of coup against MBS? Otherwise why are they killing US shale oil and decided to flood US with cheap oil...

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Saudi-Arabia-Books-Supertankers-To-Flood-US-Markets-With-Oil.html

Posted by: ARN | Mar 10 2020 22:48 utc | 23


Look Like another repeat of 2016, but will it be another 8-yrs more Obama or MAGA? Regardless which candidate win, more sanctions, regimes change and deaths. That’s the hallmark of Americans’ capitalism.

I was out shopping this noon stocking up foods in this small/medium size Hispanic majority city in Ca. Central Valley no one seems aware of an impending Convid-19 strike. It's not if but when and if it strikes can the City under 200 beds’ hospital prepares for the pandemic? Can the State build two 2,600 beds hospitals in 12 days like Wuhan?

BTW I'm still waiting for more than 6-yrs for that damn stupid bullet train to reach us and that bullet train got stuck in Fresno Ca for two-yrs.

It’s not, will the god help us but will he if the gods exist?

Posted by: JC | Mar 10 2020 22:50 utc | 24

@5 jr

Yes, you have mentioned Biden picking Tulsi before.

I am sure that idea has been pursued though I would be absolutely shocked if Tulsi would consent to that.

1) Biden will lose anyway so why would she hitch herself to that wagon?

2) Biden is the embodiment of what she has been railing against for years now. To join his ticket would be a slap in the face to her loyal fans.

I don't see her going along with Grabby-joe. I would he shocked.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Mar 10 2020 23:00 utc | 25

ARN #23

Saudis no longer need the USA. Heaps of weapons and plenty of customers and the UKUSAI has eliminated the competition.

Look at Yemen, the Saudis have no consideration of consequences to people or other states. GREED is the creed.

They only fear Yemeni drone and rocket attacks on their oil network.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2020 23:13 utc | 26

Here is a tour-de-force about the "how" of the rigged polls. Clever little things that they are. This complements the superb analysis against the raw Exit polls done by tdmsresearch.com -

https://allimap.com/2020/03/10/rigging-2-0-how-the-books-were-cooked/

The books were cooked because Yes, They Can. And we are screwed!

Also, where's Circe?

Posted by: Merlin2 | Mar 10 2020 23:26 utc | 27

@uncle tungsten #26

So they are not affraid of making lots of American unemployed? Make US suffer economic and US are OK with that? As Trump said they will fall in two weeks without our support. So why?

Posted by: ARN | Mar 10 2020 23:26 utc | 28

Oh and I must add that the idea of Tulsi teaming with Biden is pure absurdity.

I am more inclined to believe the post (death to Sanders) convention scenario will be Biden nominated, then withdraw for 'family and health reasons' and the presentation of a 'dream team' of oligarch ferrets on a leash.

Pres nominee being a white male and the vp a darker shade female (not Tulsi). Perhaps a dream team only 'just good enough' for Sanders to support.

This is entirely bound by a caveat that coronavirus doesn't
a) overwhelm USA and create mayhem
b) cause the convention to cancel 'for health and quarantine' necessities
c) severely disrupt large public gatherings and
d) destroy shared use of voting via touch screens or keyboards.

It would be ironic if coronavirus rendered voting machines obsolete. The evil ones will provide and app of course for those with disposable income to waste on these devices.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2020 23:28 utc | 29

March 10, 2020: Primary Voting Day. Having discarded paper ballot for technology American...Voters face delays, untested new procedures in Michigan, Missouri, Washington, Mississippi, Idaho, and North Dakota

As primary voters streamed to the polls in six US states, they encountered system failures, missing ballots, disqualifying technicalities, and other unexpected roadblocks. One mayor was even turned away from his polling station.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 10 2020 23:31 utc | 30

Nemesiscalling @25:

1) Biden will lose anyway so why would she hitch herself to that wagon?

You seem to think that the Democrats really want to win. LOL.

=
2) Biden is the embodiment of what she has been railing against ...

Which makes it all the more strange that she never went after him on the debate stage. Instead she went after his opponents like Kamala Harris.

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Some of you seem to think that any set-up would be obvious. LOL.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 10 2020 23:43 utc | 31

Mark this prediction carefully, for it shall come to pass:

Hilary Rodham Clinton will be the Democratic candidate in the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

Posted by: JasonT | Mar 10 2020 23:45 utc | 32

ARN #28

So they are not afraid of making lots of American unemployed? Make US suffer economic and US are OK with that? As Trump said they will fall in two weeks without our support. So why?

Unemployed? why should the Saudis care? MAGA man has to deliver the jobs not Saudis.

oil? see this remembering that China lockdown has radically diminished imports from its USA obligation. There are many alternative sweet crude suppliers selling at the low price so who will purchase USA high price if they are not blackmailed into it?

Econom? USA is a free country with heroes in Wall Street running the finest economy money can buy. You can't turn around and say the smallest most inhumane country on earth that practices blood sacrifices every day has them by the shorts. That simply won't wash. The titans of Wall Street are the managers of the USA economy. 🤑


Saudi fall? Trump bluster NOT facts is behind the remark that Saudis will fall in two weeks..... Trump is the Chief of lying buffoons, the boss of 'we lie, we cheat, we steal'. What's the clown in chief gonna do? invade Saudi Arabia and steal its oil too. He could do that but you just might find such a ploy will take a lot longer than two weeks and cost a lot of ships, planes and US lives from all parts of the middle East. Plus it will not win him the election.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2020 23:49 utc | 33

Merlin2 @27: ... where's Circe?

ben @22 has already informed us that he's busy trying to get election monitors:

“The Grayzone and CODEPINK call on the Organization of American States (OAS) to provide emergency international election monitors ...” Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal stated."

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 10 2020 23:49 utc | 34

There is nothing subtle about paring down the number of polling stations in populous areas, or having malfunctioning voting machines, or the surprise of buggered up voter lists, scrambled with typos, that keep people from getting hold of a ballot.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 10 2020 23:59 utc | 35

As much as I'm sure election interference is a factor, I think the biggest story of the primary is the credulity and submissiveness of the average Democratic voter. Republican voters gave the middle finger to their establishment and hoisted Trump into the presidency.

Democrats were stampeded into the arms of a demented old segregationist by a pork-fattened Uncle Tom (Clyburn) and the pansies at MSNBC and the Washington Post. It's a true sight to behold---Super Tuesday may have been a self inflicted deathblow for the old jackasses; I will watch the party die with glee.

Posted by: Morbidist | Mar 11 2020 0:34 utc | 36

A lawmaker who says Brazil is not doing enough to fight rampant political corruption put forward a bill on Tuesday that would punish any politician convicted of graft with amputation of both hands.


Time for Joe to throw his hand in. Maybe HRC could lead the way. Trump stumping his speeches around for re-election.

Brazil thought of this first !! not Saudi Arabia. I am stunned.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 11 2020 1:47 utc | 37

Remember I said a few weeks ago there was something fishy going on with Andrew Yang?

After dropping out, first thing he does: joins CNN. Then, he no longer has nice things to say about Bernie. Then he leaves a cryptic message on his twitter that he will make an announcement in early March, yada-yada.

Well tonight the Yang aka Benedict Arnold predictably went all in with the dark side: ANDREW YANG JUST ENDORSED JOE BIDEN.

I wonder what he got for that instant switch in values? Lemme just say that I never trusted Andrew Yang, I just kept seeing too much opportunism and not enough integrity.

Oh, and regarding the tabulation of the results. We got a problem Houston...I mean Iowa, no Dallas, uh, Cali...?

Democracy, my ass!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 2:15 utc | 38

Headlines are currently saying that Biden has taken Michigan and thus will get the nomination.

Headlines...with a grain of salt.

Hope it is true, though. I want the Democratic Party to self-destruct.

(Green Voter)

Posted by: librul | Mar 11 2020 2:20 utc | 39

For you, Bernie, the election is over. Now what?

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 11 2020 2:49 utc | 40

@39 circe

Yes, Yang has proven himself a self-serving fraud with that news.

I had my doubt when during a debate that left Tulsi Gabbard out, he noted that he was "sad and disappointed to be the only person of color on the stage" that night.

Kamala Harris and Corey Booker had just dropped out. He said he missed them on the stage. Yuck! But Gabbard was still in the race but Yang did not mention her neither did he mention her notable exclusion.

At that moment, Yang hitched his wagon to those twerps and their people and absolutely shafted Gabbard and her message.

This was back on Dec. 19 I believe.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Mar 11 2020 2:56 utc | 41

My apologies if this link to Whitney Webb's twitter post has already been posted.
Probably worth a look:
https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1237553051432435714

Of course, with Biden being the nominee instead of Sanders, maybe further shenanigans won't be needed...

Posted by: Rick Happ | Mar 11 2020 3:11 utc | 42

Petition up on Moveon.org.

TO: The DNC
Open Letter to the DNC: You Cheat, We Bust

Here's the text.

letter to DNC

Long lines and problems being reported from Missouri, North Dakota and Michigan

Here's Bernie's tweet on the voting issues.:

bernie sanders

Also, a data research company TDMS is reporting exit poll to results discrepancies penalizing Sanders in multiple states.

Check it out on their twitter account.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tdmsresearch

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 3:27 utc | 43

I have shut off CNN and MSNBC ALL NIGHT. I have not viewed even 5 minutes of their puke-inducing spin brainwash. Reality Check: Biden is NOT the choice for Millions of sane and aware people. Biden has 40+ years of sleazebag decisions.

Last I heard Bernie Sanders is still in the race and he should stay in the race until the convention. Whatever happens; Biden, the DNC and their whole stinking racket can go to hell!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 4:09 utc | 44

I tuned into the Fake Media just to see what they're up to and predictably they're trying hard to put lipstick on a pig and shamelessly PANDERING to what just yesterday they still called Bernie bros. Good luck with that after you completely erased Bernie for months up to Nevada and then went on a smear and slime organized tear against him for over a month.

Oh yeah, and watch Warren slither out from under her rock and pretend she's the progressive mama bear offering hugs and kisses for her progressive reject cubby babies she threw under the bus to now cajole them into the fixed Biden fold.

If they try to push Bernie out at ANY time before the convention; get ready for Trump Part II: Unleashed!

Deny once, shame on you, deny twice...think again.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 4:45 utc | 45

FWIW (For what is worse?), I've seen a few links posted tonight on naked capitalism saying that Jim Clyburn was on NPR this past evening suggesting that the DNC should shut down the debates. . . .

https://twitter.com/MilesParks/status/1237536966050115585

@MilesParks
Rep. Clyburn on NPR just now: "I think when the night is over, Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination... If the night ends the way it has begun" it's time to "shut this primary down," meaning the DNC should "step in" and cancel future debates.

8:32 PM · Mar 10, 2020·Twitter Web App

Posted by: jalp | Mar 11 2020 4:58 utc | 46

RIP Bernie boy, just end it already. Cant fight the big boys.

Biden is demented according to some. Be interesting to see who is running mate is. Maybe Hillary? Then Biden drops due to his dementia and its Hillary vs Trump. Trump falls out of favor due to corona virus handling, so if elections are held Hillary wins. Or Trump pulls a coup and cancels elections and declares himself King, wearing the corona virus crown.

Another possible scenario, is Trump gets stricken with corona virus and steps down, and Pence takes over. Trump seems to have let Pence out of closet on covid.

Should be interesting to see how this fake wrestling match ends. For us little people it just means we get scrood a different way if someone other than Trump gets in. No winners for us.

Posted by: Pft | Mar 11 2020 5:15 utc | 47

As I said after Super Tuesday, Bernie is done. He may even drop out tomorrow. You could imagine that kingmaker Obama is calling him with treats to offer.

Obama ran the show. He’s the boss of the Democratic Party. Who do you think he’s gonna pick for VP. Could it be “tough on crime” Kamala? His guys are going to run the campaign and he’s gonna be the shadow president if the Dems win in November.

Posted by: ab initio | Mar 11 2020 5:27 utc | 48

Good piece by Johnstone on how electoralism never had a chance to accomplish any of the necessary transformations, and how the only possible good of the Sanders campaign would be if it could render this fact undeniable and drive people to break out of the system's fake-political strait jacket, especially the Democratic Party.

I think she's far too optimistic that this actually will be the effect. Those still capable of supporting the Democratic Party in any form whatsoever, including "progressives" wanting to "take it over", are morbid, terminal cases.

(And how pathetic to want to "take over" a party that openly despises you, to have such deeply felt unrequited love for a party which hates you. Get it through your thick skulls: THEY DON'T LIKE YOU AND DON'T WANT TO BE WITH YOU. The fact that not just the Dem establishment but the majority of Dembots have closed ranks around a senile meatloaf is the most clear-cut case of rejection I've ever seen.)

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/03/11/keep-up-the-fight-electoral-politics-was-never-meant-to-be-the-solution/

Posted by: Russ | Mar 11 2020 5:29 utc | 49

1. It's long been a truism for many including myself that barring some wild card, Trump likely will win in 2020. Although a for-real Sanders could have beaten Trump, we knew the DNC would steal the nomination from him. Sanders now will roll over as in 2016. He'll shill for the DNC nominee, as he unilaterally, unconditionally promised from the start.

2. The Corona pandemic may become this wild card, and Trump looks incapable of dealing with it even on a demagogic level. This opens up the possibility that even a DNC candidate fake-talking a good game could beat him. The DNC would rather Trump win than Sanders, but would rather their own corporate candidate win over Trump.

3. In that case, are they really going to throw away such an opportunity by nominating someone who's literally in a state of dementia? That would exceed even my expectations of how stupid the Democrats are.

4. The Dembots and much of the leadership are true believers in Hillary being the chosen one. Only that could have given such fuel to the Russiagate Derangement, something so counter-factual and stupid that no rational or normally irrational state of mind could have clung to it with such demented tenacity for so long and at such opportunity cost.

5. Therefore, barring some new wild card specific to the Democrat circus, I expect the broken convention will anoint Hillary.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 11 2020 5:32 utc | 50

#DemExit #BidenWillLose #FucktheDNC all trending.

Who would have thought that the 60s boomers would become corporatist whores and screw the under 30 younger generation at this critical moment in history?

UGH. Damn hypocrites!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 6:38 utc | 51

Boomers vote. Under 30 tweet and post on blogs.

Bernie lost big among older blacks. Ponder why he didn’t connect with them?

Posted by: ab initio | Mar 11 2020 7:17 utc | 52

The Democratic leadership knows Biden is showing symptoms of dementia or Alzheimer's. Still, they want him to be the nominee, but watch who is picked to be his running mate. The war-pig, Hillary, isn't dead yet, after all. One could substitute Kamala Harris or someone else of that neocon ilk just as well. The point is that I suspect that if they were to get Biden in, they would then quickly take him out (using the 25th, and saying so very sadly that he is impaired, and they so much regret having to take this step, blah, blah, blah) leaving their real choice, his VP, in power. Not that they care if Trump is re-elected in the long run. After all, he is doing a bang-up job of getting everything they want done any way - tax breaks for the rich, corporate handouts galore, cuts to social programs, more money for the MIC, ruining the environment to benefit big oil/gas/resource extractors, and providing a fall guy when they have to pretend to care about any of this stuff.

Posted by: teri | Mar 11 2020 9:28 utc | 53

60 years after Martin Luther King, it's ironic that the black movement has now degenerated to the fifth wheel of the DNC establishment. They gave the Deep South to Biden.

Posted by: vk | Mar 11 2020 11:27 utc | 54

DNC is awfully corrupt they didnt learn last time when they rigged it for Hillary, now they try to rig it against Sanders and they will likely succeed. Biden will lose againt Trump I assume Sanders also would do that but with a smaller margin.

Posted by: Zanon | Mar 11 2020 11:33 utc | 55

>> Bernie lost big among older blacks.

...and older whites.

>> Ponder why he didn’t connect with them?

Because many old people actually consume content CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WAPO, etc and because those oligarch shills have been discounting, criticizing, and lying about class issues and Bernie for years.

Posted by: oglalla | Mar 11 2020 12:11 utc | 56

Some years ago I was the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit against a board of elections which was trying to railroad a touch screen voting machine system into the local elections which had up until then been using paper ballots. This was in one town in one state. The legal costs were funded by a large number of residents who felt there was a lot of back door scheming to keep an illegal commissioner in place by massaging the vote. We "won" our law suit. However, the judge ordered that both systems be used. (I've always wondered why) Surprise surprise. The touch screens failed in every way that other commentators have noted, including flipping votes.

There was a free-er press in those days and the news was reported, but nothing came of it. The DIM party did not pursue the issue. The ReThugs, who included the crooked commissioner, naturally were silent. This was the primary election for the year that BushBoy was "re=elected" with the aid of some pretty fishy touch screen vote vote flipping in Ohio. There is a journalist called Greg Palast who has documented all this if you care to look.

So, for me personally - well Lots of harrassment. Lurid phone calls. Things that go bump in the night. I took instruction from a Tupac line "picture me rolling" and did.

My point: Our little struggle in one little town in one state was a tiny temporary victory - but just like a pebble thrown into a cesspool the rings dissipate and it's all back to business as usual. The only way to fix murkan corruption IMHO is public campaign financing and term limits.

As for Bernie's "loss" if it looks rotten and smells rotten, it probably is rotten.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Mar 11 2020 12:51 utc | 57

to vk: Many don't seem to realize that the Democratic party was the party of the confederacy. Ironic. How the wheel turns.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Mar 11 2020 12:53 utc | 58

to circe... this is the logical and inevitable outcome of the yuppie trash movement which co-opted the 60s boomers. Sad.
Glad to see you back - I think - in all lower case. Appreciated. Peace.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Mar 11 2020 12:58 utc | 59

Has Circe finally killed itself yet?

Or will it vote Biden to beat fascist racist Orange Hitler Napoleon Stalin now?

Posted by: Smith | Mar 11 2020 13:06 utc | 60

>> Has Circe finally killed itself yet?

Hey, hey, hey...don’t be mean. We don’t have to be mean.

Circe already has to reckon with the bad news. Let’s not “pile on”.

Posted by: oglalla | Mar 11 2020 13:34 utc | 61

>Who would have thought that the 60s boomers would become
>corporatist whores and screw the under 30 younger generation
>at this critical moment in history?
>Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 6:38 utc | 52

Jerry Rubin became a stockbroker and capitalist and denounced his previous work in 1980. That's when I knew the 1960s, the counterculture, and all that was dead. So the critical moment was 40 years ago, at the beginning of the Reagan Counterrevolution.

As for me, I bought a small farm in a remote area in 1980 so I'd have someplace to hunker down when the shit really hits the fan. That's where I live today, and yes, the shit is now hitting the fan in a very serious way.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Mar 11 2020 13:56 utc | 62

The best thing for Democrats is to lose in a landslide to Trump. AOC said a month or two ago that in Europe she and Biden would not be in the same political party. So true. But instead of working to build alternate political parties, many 'progressives' insist on working to build the Democrats into something which they aren't - supporters of the 99%. Sanders, of course, has already said he'll support whomever decrepit nominee spews from the Democratic Establishment to beat the existential threat of Trump. But after 4 years of wasting time chasing Russians etc., Trump has consolidated his base, in spite of his co-option by NeoCons. Democrats have no moral authority to challenge Trump. The good news is that folks tend to vote for the 'economy' and with the outside forces of virus and petro-dollar collapse, the US is heading for a big fall, sooner rather than later which will make for a close election. But nothing will change if the Dems win, but the hair of the President.

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 11 2020 14:38 utc | 63

to trailer trash. Yes - Jerry Rubin sold out, leading one to wonder how "in" he ever was. When Beamers and Burberry for children became the rage - it was all over. The assassination of John Lennnon was kind of the final slap in the face. "See that idiots. Nothing is sacred. So shut up and go have a latte."

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Mar 11 2020 14:46 utc | 64

Sleboda posted evidence of the obvious>

Mark Sleboda Retweeted
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California:
Sanders -11.1%
Biden +15.3%
Bloomberg +22.6%
Buttigieg +37.6%

Texas:
Sanders -11.8%
Biden +1%
Bloomberg +7%
Warren +10%
The UN says that exit poll discrepancies exceeding 4% is election fraud

Posted by: Walter | Mar 11 2020 15:01 utc | 65

Even a Dummycrat must be able to see that by next January's Inauguration Day the US will be in a the middle of a very bad financial crisis plus maybe much more. Do they really want to be in charge of that? We already know the response will be a total clusterfuck regardless of whose ugly mug is on a poster in every post office.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Mar 11 2020 15:05 utc | 66

For what Democrats are doing to the Left, killing their spirit, Democrats need four more years of Trump sitting on their faces, crushing them every day, destroying everything they pretend to stand for, making a mockery of them, closing up every avenue they have to enact policy, tightening every screw to lock up the judiciary and destroying them as a Party with merciless resolve and vindication.

Now the Coronavirus is being used by Dems to suppress the remaining vestiges of democracy in the primary process.

Bernie has to go to the next debate and hit Biden like a freight train. What does he have to lose? Bernie must expose Biden's withered real corrupt self to the entire nation on live T.V. He has to pound him so hard that the man everyone thinks they know turns into a dithering, discombobulated fool, unworthy of the Nomination or the Presidency!

The Democrats massively used the media and congress to prop up a loser candidate who has tons of baggage to destroy Bernie with the public and then resorted to voter suppression and results mismanagement/manipulation in multiple states.

They deserve the fate coming to them with Trump Part II - Unleashed...Fascism.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 15:09 utc | 67

Posted by: oglalla | Mar 11 2020 12:11 utc | 57

Because America works for the "Boomers" - in most cases.

When baby boomers (born between 1946 and 1964) hit a median age of 35 in 1990, they collectively owned 21% of the nation’s wealth.

The millennial generation will hit that 35 median age in four years and they are nowhere near owning that percentage.

In fact, this inter-generational wealth chart drawn by economist Gray Kimbrough using Federal Reserve data is a stark illustration of the yawning millennial wealth deficit.

As a whole, boomers have fared better financially than Gen Xers (born between 1965 and 1980) and millennials (born between 1981 and 1996) throughout every stage of their lives. Boomers currently boast more than half (57%) of the nation’s wealth, while Gen X owns just 16%, and millennials 3%.

Adults under 40 have been accumulating less and less wealth over the past 30 years, plummeting from owning 13% of the wealth in 1989 to less than 7% today.

As a rule people vote their interests as they perceive them and these interests can be very divisive. Media usually tell people what they want to hear - reinforce their world view - not the other way round. Facebook is doing this in an incredibly targeted way.

When the social welfare state was dismantled in the 1980's the argument was that a society could remain stable with a majority profiting from the dismantling. Up to then social scientists maintained that fascism or communism could only be avoided by the social welfare state. And this was basically what Roosevelt's New Deal or Keynes was about.

All in all people are realistic if equality would be a net cost or net gain to them. The US has 327 million citizens, so the wealth of one billionaire is three dollar per person. To claim that 700 billionaires could heal everybody's life is - a lie.

There is more robbery in not paying consumer prices that give producers a decent wage. And everybody looking for best price without being interested in how it is produced is complicit in this. Same with ecology - it is consumerism that kills the environment.
Saving the world is very much about lifestyle. Corona virus is doing some good here.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Mar 11 2020 12:51 utc | 58

There was obviously a lot of voter suppression going on as in making it difficult for certain types of people to vote. Paper ballots is the only legitimate voting and it is not that difficult to count them if you have enough voting places and people counting. It seems to be not a problem in Europe, if it is not fixed in the US it is intentionally not fixed.

But this cuts both ways. To do a caucus is the exclusion of a lot of people who just have not got the time or passion.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 11 2020 15:15 utc | 68

Many of the prominent actors, The Clowns and fatboys and Creepojo are presumably absolutely vulnerable to the plague of CV, if it is true that there's no secret vaccine... Assume that at least some of these actors won't be around next January.

Actually Wally sees the beginning of a failure cascade as the highly metastatic precariated global econofraud goes bust, triggered by CV.

Yeah, whoever's in the chair gets the blame. I always thought the Clown would be pharmacos...

Posted by: Walter | Mar 11 2020 15:20 utc | 69

Boomers Drop Dead!

Coronavirus timing...🤔

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 15:27 utc | 70

From this day forward: SCORCHED EARTH

ONE FOCUS: Biden takedown-show no mercy.

DESTROY BIDEN

JOE BIDEN'S CORE EXPOSED

Strategy suggestions for Sanders campaign.:

To compensate for less rallies: more debates, more social media energy and strategy linking to youtube with Bernie projecting the humanist/populist great soul he is, more America ads: Bernie is the people's president, today's FDR, more Biden is corrupt ads, more FoxNews Town Halls projecting FDR, and why Bernie is the REAL People's President.

Do not surrender. The cause is too worthy.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 16:59 utc | 71

BERNIE LIVE FROM VERMONT!

https://live.berniesanders.com/

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 17:02 utc | 72

"My good friend Joe Biden ... can beat Trump" - a definitive case of political suicide.

Internment in the grave of "I endorse Joe Biden for President" to occur shortly.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 11 2020 18:05 utc | 73

Circee @ 68 said;"The Democrats massively used the media and congress to prop up a loser candidate who has tons of baggage to destroy Bernie with the public and then resorted to voter suppression and results mismanagement/manipulation in multiple states."

Yep! Bernie's got Sunday night to show the public what a machine politician Biden really is, and he better not blow it. Heard his speech today, and if he asks Biden the questions he says he'll ask, it should be very interesting.

Biden's only real attack against Bernie will be the S-word, Socialist. If Bernie refuses to
explain via the mixed economy route, he's missing a great chance to do so.

By explaining that virtually every country we now call Socialist, are, in reality, MIXED ECONOMYS, just like the USA.

Explaining that reality would nullify Biden's attack, and at the same time enlighten some dumb ass American voters, who continue to equate Socialism with Communism.

Posted by: ben | Mar 11 2020 18:06 utc | 74

Andrew Yang aka Benedict Arnold praised Bernie on his twitter while twisting the knife in his back. Andrew Yang endorsed Biden, but he always said he would not endorse someone who did not guarantee UBI. So much for his word. Instead he's getting an expanded UBI for himself from CNN!

YANG YUK!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 20:13 utc | 75

Trump Approval Ratings Crash Amid Coronavirus Panic

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 11 2020 20:37 utc | 76

MSNBC AND CNN, BIDEN IS GOD MOUTHPIECES, CAN CRASH ALONG WITH THE STOCK MARKET! A coronavirus pox on you! ANTI-SANDERS HATEFUL PROPAGANDA TRASH SPIN MACHINES SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS.

Then, they call FOX the state run news channel. 2 big, black pots calling the kettle black, you suck!

I'm going to start my own community boycott of the brainwash news.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 11 2020 21:03 utc | 77

If Bernie is real; ie. not sheep-dogging for Hillary again, he can prove it by dropping out immediately and throwing his delegates to Tulsi so she can debate Joe Biden on Sunday; then watch the fur fly. ....last chance for the left.
Seriously, the only positive play left for Bernie, (if positive change is his intent )would be to immediately drop out and throw a "Hail Tulsi Pass" downfield ahead of the Sunday debate

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 11 2020 21:04 utc | 78

Chris Hedges latest;

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-one-choice-election

Posted by: ben | Mar 11 2020 21:46 utc | 80

Keep Up The Fight: Electoral Politics Was Never Meant To Be The Solution

Social-democrats have a decision to make: revolution (socialism) or neoliberalism/austerity (barbarism)?

Posted by: vk | Mar 11 2020 23:27 utc | 81

@ Ben in comment #81 with Chris Hedges link...thanks

Below is the quote from that link that MoA folks have read before but many still don't believe

"
There are no substantial political differences between the Democrats and Republicans. We have only the illusion of participatory democracy. The Democrats and their liberal apologists adopt tolerant positions on issues regarding race, religion, immigration, women’s rights and sexual identity and pretend this is politics. The right wing uses those on the margins of society as scapegoats. The culture wars mask the reality. Both parties are full partners in the reconfiguration of American society into a form of neofeudalism. It only depends on how you want it dressed up.
"

As I keep writing, we live in a top/bottom world and references to left /right are obfuscation.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 11 2020 23:30 utc | 82

Posted by: ben | Mar 11 2020 21:46 utc | 81

Lots of solutions are very simple and don't require ideology.

It is absolutely mad that US pharmaceutical companies are able to sell drugs in Canada cheaper than they do in the US. And no - it is not free market. You need a lot of regulation for something like this being viable in the times of mail order.

Doctors in the US have a mean salary of $313,000/year if you believe the internet. If you believe the Internet ratio per 1000 patients is 2.3. This ratio is much higher in most developed countries.

So how about a market solution like training more doctors to lower their wages, or importing Cuban doctors to staff public health centers? Cuban life expectancy IS higher than US life expectancy. So their doctors must be doing something right. Or forcing physicians to treat patients pro bono as a condition for practising and giving credit cards for people who cannot pay for insurance.

It can be explained by monopoly and lobbyism, only, not by free market. Or indifference.

Public insurance in Germany was introduced by reactionaries in the 19th century who wanted to take the power from the Social Democratic Party which had insured their membership. It is common sense, not ideological.

If the ideology is to punish poor people for being poor, oh well ....

Ecology - that is something everybody can enforce by refusing to consume. Comsumers buying or not have most of the power.

Like having paper ballots and being able to count them ...

Posted by: somebody | Mar 12 2020 0:19 utc | 83

@ lizard 2

By the way, I enjoyed your poem. :-)

Posted by: oglalla | Mar 12 2020 0:25 utc | 84

@81 ben

While I agree with everything Hedges wrote there except how judgmental he is in regards to Bernie's ability to exercise more independent power in Congress and to understand how difficult it is for Bernie to have achieved already what no one has achieved, i.e. giving Progressives a formidable presence and voice in the political sphere that cannot be ignored, I ask myself when is Hedges going to STFU and organize and lead his own massive movement he keeps writing about to confront corporate tyranny by taking to the streets and tear the house down as he writes? Did he do anything meaningful, besides talk and write, to help the Occupy Wall Street Movement grow any power or help lead it to tear the house down?

He can write and give speeches at conferences ad nauseam, but that's all he ever amounts to and so is he the right person to judge Bernie who has actually taken action to lead an insurgent movement.
Is Hedges even fit to tie Bernie's shoelaces?

I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of Hedges do-nothing judgmental pontificating from the safe sidelines while Bernie is on the frontline receiving end of everyone's cheap shots! He's no better than the lame brain media and it shows he worked for the New York Times!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 12 2020 0:31 utc | 85

The DNC wants Bernie to stay in, guaranteeing a brokered convention. That's been the plan all along. They have no intention of running Biden, they'll make their choice at the convention; either Hillary or an Obama/Clinton compromise, Mayor Pete?
The only positive play left for Bernie, (if positive change is his intent )would be to immediately drop out and throw a "Hail Tulsi Pass" downfield ahead of the Sunday debate.
It's (past) time for the Bernie torch to be passed to a new generation;( and gender and ethnicity.)
There's really nothing to lose. At the very least Bernie will ensure that he's remembered as a courageous revolutionary, and maybe even as a daring tactician.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 2:14 utc | 86

@ 87 nobts.. interesting conjecture... does bernie have much of a positive relationship with tulsi? i am curious as i don't know and haven't followed their relationship closely...

Posted by: james | Mar 12 2020 2:41 utc | 87

Sorry posted this at the other page by mistake:

Time for a gambit from the "movement". The DNC has played a great pawn game. pushing one then another culminating in a grand Bait and Switch Gambit sacrificing them all to push a creaky knight who can bring in the desired stalemate, a brokered convention; the game plan all along. The Bernie movement has had only one true and loyal ally on the board the whole time, and that’s Tulsi Gabbard. All the punditry is gaga over the daring play of the DNC; how about some daring play from the movement? There’s no chance that Bern might prevent the brokered convention. There’s no chance that he might gain the nomination. But Tulsi starting fresh with Bernie’s endorsement, and delegates might sweep the board the rest of the way. If there is a movement then this is its chance!
Does anyone out there understand that this is possible? Just as possible as the resurrection of Biden; it’s just strategy! Might seem little daring but otherwise it’s all over. If anyone gets it please help…. it might not be too late.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 3:53 utc | 88

Karlof1? b?
Is there or is there not a movement? Can't you see the possibility of strategic play, even or especially, at this late date? The DNC had about 18 willing sacrificial pawns. The "movement" has one, and that's Bernie. If he can't take a dive for everything he and Tulsi have stood for, then there's no "movement".

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 3:57 utc | 89

Hi James, In '16 Tulsi resigned as vice chair of the DNC in protest over the mistreatment of Bernie, she has been his most loyal ally on almost every issue, though she's much better on foreign affairs and endless war.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 4:00 utc | 90

P.S. James, Some Bernie supporters have impugned Tulsi's integrity in the past through controlled opposition Omidyar/NED outlets such as The Jacobin and the Intercept. Though some of this innuendo has seeped into general awareness it was mainly targeted at boutique socialist dupes and probably wouldn't interfere with a quick switch of the movement standard from Bern to Tulsi.

Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 4:07 utc | 91

thanks nobts.. i appreciate the overview here..

Posted by: james | Mar 12 2020 4:23 utc | 92

Frustrated Bernie bros (and sisters) have taken to throwing gasoline on generation war, blaming boomers for handing them a shitty world. Openly threatening boomers, hoping they'll catch coronavirus and die, etc., pretty ugly. Kinda reminds me of rabid Trumptards.

But owners have always easily wielded divide and conquer strategies over weak minds. The fact is a shitty world was handed to boomers, and to the generation before them, going back thousands of years.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 12 2020 5:05 utc | 93

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 12 2020 5:05 utc | 94

So you pass a shitty world on? Boomers had it real good in the welfare state, just to switch to neoliberalism once they had finished their education, got a good secure job and considered their taxes and the price for services and consumer goods too high.

Labels are stupid, not every boomer did well, but they had a functioning welfare state when growing up plus decent labor laws once they got a job.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 12 2020 5:30 utc | 94

Posted by: james | Mar 12 2020 2:41 utc | 88

"does bernie have much of a positive relationship with tulsi? i am curious as i don't know and haven't followed their relationship closely..."

I haven't seen him explicitly attack her, but he happily joins his Dem colleagues in pretending she doesn't exist.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 12 2020 6:44 utc | 95

Karlof1, b, James et al. Just mailed this to Tulsi Gabbard:
Dear Tulsi, Our valiant brother Bernie has fallen on the field of battle! The movement to which you and he and millions more are committed is in total disarray! The sad truth is that he has no path that does not play into the wicked designs of the DNC, he’s gone as fur he can go! It is absolutely essential that you pick up the banner and carry the movement forward! If there is truly a movement it must not die with the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. Hard as it might seem, you must publicly ask him for his endorsement. For the movement! Otherwise there will be no movement, only defeat.
Your faithful servant, Peter Kraemer


Posted by: NOBTS | Mar 12 2020 7:09 utc | 96

Posted by: Russ | Mar 12 2020 6:44 utc | 96

As far as I can see Tulsi Gabbard is non interventionist in a Trumpian way. I am pretty sure that this is not what Sanders' foreign policy is about.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 12 2020 7:32 utc | 97

Krystal Ball is onto it.
The Left doesn't owe Joe Biden their vote). Right on.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 12 2020 9:12 utc | 98

@NOBTS #89
You really need to stop being delusional: Gabbard has zero chance, period. She's positioning for the future and more power to her.
Sanders isn't done, but he's almost done. He lost every single state this past Tuesday, including true blue Washington State. There was no "Michigan surprise" in 2020.
Sanders has clearly alienated both moderates and the older voters - who turn out more - as well as blue collar middle class.
The only question now is whether the blue collar middle class are voting for Biden or Trump.
I've said, from the start, that Trump was odds-on to get re-elected; I still see no reason to change that view.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 12 2020 9:38 utc | 99

California Democrat primary update:
Bernie inched up from 34% to 34.2%, but Biden went from 27% to 27.6%
It seems clear that the mail-ins are significantly more Biden since Biden went from 22.82% to 27.6% so far, while Sanders went from 32.x% to 34.2%.

March 10 primaries: sweep for Biden. Southern states: he crushed Sanders. No Michigan surprise this year, and Biden even won in Washington state.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 12 2020 9:43 utc | 100

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