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March 07, 2020

2020 Presidential Election Thread 03

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Posted by b on March 7, 2020 at 14:26 UTC | Permalink

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There's only two ways to look at this, in my view:

1.) Bernie is sincerely a threat to the establishment

2.) Bernie is not a threat at all, and is in collusion with the establishment

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 7 2020 14:39 utc | 1

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 7 2020 14:39 utc | 1

I'll go with #1

Biden is elected and hillabillie is his VP. Biden leaves the office of potus do brain damage and hillabillie becomes potus. Then she goes starting more wars.

Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 7 2020 14:58 utc | 2


Hillary? At first thought, I don't think her ego would allow it:D I'll go with either Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren;)

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 7 2020 15:04 utc | 3

Why not Barack Obama or Michelle Obama? Nothing would prevent Barack from running for Veep, or Michelle as a proxy for Barack. Biden out via 25th Amendment and Obamas in.

Posted by: FrederickJohn | Mar 7 2020 15:08 utc | 4

What difference does it really make for the people will vote for the worse of the lot,they always have and they always will and then bitch because things never change but remains the same.!!

Posted by: bluedogg | Mar 7 2020 15:15 utc | 5

There always is the option of Circe prez & veep at the same time.

Posted by: albagen | Mar 7 2020 15:18 utc | 6

Trump's political base shares some base demographic characteristics of the unfortunate souls who have perished to COVID-19.

The stronger second wave of this pandemic will crash down upon the US electorate in prime election season.

After 60 livin' large years of American bullshit I gotta say this:
This sucker is gonna blow - please stand a safe distance away from the US this fall.

Posted by: David N Metheny | Mar 7 2020 15:18 utc | 7

I'd vote if I could, if that's the price to pay to see who he/she/it is

Posted by: albagen | Mar 7 2020 15:20 utc | 8

The Democrat Party Primary can only be explained by - despite all the rethoric - no one expecting to beat Trump in a good economy.
Corona Virus may change all that.

The Democrats are now stuck with a guy with onset dementia and an old 1960 lefty who uses the primary for a long term project to shift mainstream discussion to the left and fund the party's left wing base. And who owns the Corona Virus health care issue.

Sanders has a very good chance to kill Biden on his political record in the next debate and via the internet even if Biden has a mentally good night. Even if the moderators create chaos like in the last debate and the audience is told to boo Sanders.

It is a careerist nightmare - get tied to Biden in your CV when you know he won't last long or bet on an outsider.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 7 2020 15:22 utc | 9

SharonM @1

1) Threat: Bernie's socialist ideals are paramount in his mind.

2) Not-a-threat: Bernie's Zionism is paramount in his mind.

When it really matters, the establishment (with virtually unlimited resources) will ALWAYS set up controlled opposition.

Only genuine independent Movements can restore democracy, bring peace, and save the environment.

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"Establishment" = Deep State controlled duopoly & media = EMPIRE-FIRST = pro-Israel = Zionist

Zionism = "settler Movement" = neo-colonial supremacism = litmus test for Empire Club


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 7 2020 15:38 utc | 10

Bringing this up from the March 3 election thread...

c1ue @373 said "The numbers I put up are from the California Secretary of State - Bernie Sanders received more than 1 million fewer votes in 2020 03than 2016."

What am I missing here? They are still counting ballots in California - update: LA County says about 800,000 ballots remain in Los Angeles alone—of which about 250,000 were mail ballots dropped in on Election Day—and keep in mind more could still arrive via mail until tomorrow (if postmarked by yesterday). So... a while to go. -

and then Rosie memos @almostjingo has this update out of California - "#ElectionUpdate 228,630 mail-in ballots added to Los Angeles brining total number of uncounted votes to 3,476,611" -

These #'s are as of last night. This is just LA. I'm thinking it's a bit premature to suggest 'Sanders received more than 1 million fewer votes...' simply b/c he's picking up, as is Biden, more and more votes.

Posted by: h | Mar 7 2020 15:44 utc | 11

jo6pac @2 - thinking along the same lines. Just posted this thought on March 3 election thread -

I can't help but wonder what the DNC rules are as it relates to a nominee who becomes impaired during an election? Something tells me that the nomination would automatically default to his/her VP.

If so, then the set-up may very well be to prop Biden up all the way to the nomination, win it then default awhile later, which leaves the VP to accept the nomination who would then select the running mate.

If so, then the word 'rigging' hardly captures their intent. More like 'stealing' or something along those lines.

As many are suggesting rightly, there is no way Biden could ever debate Trump live on TV. His onset of dementia would become crystal clear to the electorate and that would do even more serious damage to an already tattered party. So, whatever the play is at hand regarding the propping up of Biden has everything to do with who is selected by the establishment to run as his VP. This is where the game at hand is being played out.

Posted by: h | Mar 7 2020 15:48 utc | 12

@ somebody | Mar 7 2020 15:22 utc | 9 > "no one expecting to beat Trump in a good economy. Corona Virus may change all that."

Indeed, it may change a great deal and number. That may also provide a plausible excuse to cancel the ritual, "postpone for the duration" - and consider too that, if indeed CV is a weapon (no matter how crude and sloppy the "collateral damage") is a weapon directed at Ru Chin Iran - directed by "A" - then it would be logically congruent if they do plan to cancel, and also to attack Ru Chin Iran by additional means simultaneously.

One might imagine there's a vast propaganda campaign to blame CV on China, then a big FF in the Strait, then a bigger FF in Chicago...all ahone atwoa three - Lawrence Welk, snare drums please..


About the Changes (a few anyway) see>

Max and Stacy address some prospects for CV today at keiser-report/482491

Posted by: Walter | Mar 7 2020 15:58 utc | 13

What in the world? Only the headline was hyperlinked NOT the text! Hope this doesn't mess up the thread. Damn!

Posted by: h | Mar 7 2020 16:06 utc | 15

Suppose they " have to cancel the convention " and suppose (RIP) the mildly "socialist" (he'd be at home in the CDU of Germany) Comrade Sanders was to - purely coincidentally - catch the CV and pass, fall off the twig.

Wally thinks Lady O'Bummer is the secret plan for VP to replace Byedom when he's el presidente (briefly). Yes, it's insane. These are insane plans? Well, yeah.

Keiser Report E1511 deals with questions about the effects of CV on supply and the secondary effects ... and the CV may turn out pretty Xucked.

Also at the MoA CV thread... Dr. George W Oprisko | Mar 7 2020 15:56 utc | 140 says stuff . I cannot judge the value, but>

" Large numbers of staff were infected. Many, including the opthamologist, died. Later it was learned the virus behaves like Dengue. That is, often the initial infection is mild and the patient recovers, but without significant immunity. Second or third infections often cause a cytokine storm in the patient, which kills him quickly."


Posted by: Walter | Mar 7 2020 16:15 utc | 16

The DNC anointing Biden is a loyalty test on the order of 1984's "2+2=5." But hey, the GOP's assertion that Trump is "making America Great Again" is, similarly, asking its believers to assert that 2+2=6. Whichever party wins the election, America is determined to go to hell and take the whole world with it.

Glad to note that I'm not the only one thinking that Biden is likely to turn out to be a bait and switch candidate. How soon do we find out he's in adult diapers?

Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Mar 7 2020 16:23 utc | 17

Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Mar 7 2020 16:23 utc | 17

The dementia discussion is mainstream now


In fact, a kind of ghoulish gallows humor about the issue is widespread in political circles in both parties, in part because people simply don’t see much alternative. My colleague Marc Caputo said on Twitter that a Democratic operative with presidential campaign experience described the likely 2020 race like this: “the nice old guy with Alzheimer’s against the mean old man with dementia.”

Posted by: somebody | Mar 7 2020 16:35 utc | 18

As I noted on the previous thread, the DNC/Oligarchs'decision to go all in on Biden was a desperate move, forced on them by their reading of the polling trends.
Biden-even with the MSM looking the other way and pretending ignorance-is not viable as a candidate. Least of all as a candidate of the Black Misleadership class-he has a record going back throughout his career of crass racism and sponsorship of mass incarceration. And it will be impossible to hide this from the voters.
Sanders is in Frederick the Great's position-during the Seven Year/French and Indian War- totally surrounded he has all his enemies just where he wants them. There are no further surprises to spring, no Warren like candidates preaching a moderate version of his platform, no ID champions, no men married to one another, no women with track records of keeping innocent people in jail, no more cards to play. No more Bernie boycotting in the media.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 7 2020 16:45 utc | 19

Many of my hs classmates (1970) are Trumpians. They believe there is no current public health crisis. Trump is endangering his own voters. Perhaps it won't matter who the Dems run. The dead don't vote but their families will.

Posted by: mobor | Mar 7 2020 16:49 utc | 20

jo6pac @ 2

Biden is elected and hillabillie is his VP. Biden leaves the office of potus do brain damage and hillabillie becomes potus. Then she goes starting more wars.

There is a rumor that Stacie Abrams might be chosen. It is sort of like McCain Choosing Palin except the press will lionized Abrams and not demolish her like they did with Palin.

Abrams was invited to Bilderberg and she came back talking like she was going to run the world someday. It would be the Establishment move to guarantee Trump getting a second term.

Posted by: dltravers | Mar 7 2020 16:54 utc | 21

I'm getting huge flak for publicly stating that I will never vote for a dementia-addled warmonger for President. It just goes to show how crazy US voters have become that supposedly "progressive" folks hysterically demand such a vote, in the form of any blue will do.

More flak than stating any opposition to zionist imperialism in the form of Bernie. As a Vietnam vet, it's clearly apparent that US voters frankly care nothing about foreign civilian casualties, nor the innumerable modes of mayhem imparted by the US including (but not limited to) overt war, economic and political sanctions, covert operations, election interference, etc. Hell, US voters barely care about US military casualties.

But what goes around comes around, and all that overseas misery is now finding its way home, and in nearly all the same forms: militarized police, election interference, economic sanctions in the form of income inequality, declining health, increasing slavery (the growth of US prison population), destruction of the biosphere, etc.

I've found the perfect choice for US President in 2020: Mickey Mouse

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 7 2020 17:04 utc | 22

There were very shady things going on with vote results in most Super Tuesday states. Biden ended up with +8 points average on all states vs the exit polls. All other candidates ended the opposite, with less votes. I believe what happened is the votes that went to Buttyboy and Kloby were counted as for Biden. I know for a fact Kloby and Butty were bith still on the ballots even though they had quit. Lots of old americans possibly didnt even know they had quit. Howcome I have not heard how many votes Butty or Klobby got???

Sanders is a tool at this point to go along with the charade. The progressives need to find a new uounger stronger leader. This old coot wont take us anywhere but defeat.

Posted by: Comandante | Mar 7 2020 17:25 utc | 23

One more thing Warren is either going to endorse Biden hours prior to a big election (Michigan for example) or if not needed she will endorse Biden at the convention. She will be treated as the true leader. of the Progressives and Sanders and his followers will be treated like illegal immigrants and told to shut up or GTFO.

Posted by: Comandante | Mar 7 2020 17:29 utc | 24

Wall Street guys and gals are pushing Biden.

And the Dems have changed the rules to disqualify Tulsi from debates. A party run by thieves.

I am watching
Trump's corner. He is setting up for bruising campaign against Biden.

and there is this little probe by his former Senate peers: Biden will not be able to continue sidestepping questions about Hunter's foreign business dealings.

Republicans lean into Biden probe as he surges in Democratic primary

getting a lot of air on MSM and Mitti is on board.
Senate Committee poised to issue first subpoena into Ukrainian company with ties to Biden

GOP Sen. Mitt Romney will vote in favor of a subpoena that will allow Senate Republicans to further their ongoing investigation into Burisma, a Ukrainian oil and gas firm for which former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, once served on the board of directors.

Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Ron Johnson announced his intention to force a vote on the subpoena -- a first in the panel’s probe. It's a move that comes just as Biden surges to the front of the narrowing pack of 2020 Democratic candidates.[.]

Oh and Hunter has his other troubles. That paternity suit.

CNBC reports:
Child's mother wants the Ukraine money

Now my question is why would the Dems put up such a lame horse to lead the ticket. Papa horse does bribes and brags about it and the foal denies his offspring.

Papa horse will lose three legs in midstream. Trump won't need to twitter away.

Thieves are not known to think of consequences.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2020 17:40 utc | 25

@Jackrabbit is 100% right and i fucking hate it. the ticket will be a dual controlled opposition gatekeeping treasonous whorejob by a sanders/tulsi ticket vs trump who might bring in tucker carlson to counter their strength. zionald j drumph might still beat them.

Posted by: poshpotdllr | Mar 7 2020 17:43 utc | 26

Bloomberg WTF

"Mike will get it done" droned into us with wall-to-wall advertising is now, er ... "done".

Why isn't "Mike" now a poster child for Democratic false promises? (hint: $$$$$)

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Was it the shortest Presidential campaign ever? He entered the race on November 24th and left on March 4th. 3 months and 10 days.

And "Mike" was always known as "Michael Bloomberg". The attempt to humanize this out-of-touch billionaire failed as much as his campaign did.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 7 2020 18:40 utc | 27

Likklemore | Mar 7 2020 17:40 utc | 25

"Now my question is why would the Dems put up such a lame horse to lead the ticket. Papa horse does bribes and brags about it and the foal denies his offspring. "

Texas Bentley has posted a unified theory about the global matter - which includes the idea that there may be big surprises. fort-russ dot com

I'd say that Texas thinks they know it doesn't matter...that's why the dead-eye dimwitted horse. They're building up to a flat out war and it's well underway and ongoing, rising, passing the skirmishing phase, and gunna hairlip us all.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 7 2020 18:51 utc | 28

I'm seeing Bernie Sander's surrogates criticizing Joe Biden BUT INSISTING THAT THE BURSIMA SCANDAL IS BOGUS! What is the deal with those lunatics? They are establishment lifers who are looking at the future jobs market, so they can't let go of the their lifelines to that sinking ship even though it is dragging them down with it.

Trump's impeachment had one purpose--to make criticizing Joe Biden over Burisma "off the table." Looks like it is succeeding on the Sanders people who like morons are going along with it. From Pam Ho Impeachment For Dummies: or How progressives were conned into supporting Joe Biden for President

Also Tulsi Gabbard has of course been forced out of the debate with a new rule made specially for her, why? They fear what she will do to Biden of course. Meanwhile the media throws a funeral with endless weeping for Elizabeth Warren over SEXISM!!! Could they be more phony? Yes. And of course they will be. They hate Tulsi because of brainwashing by their own media pals, and the fact that the Clintons are still top dogs among that crowd and put out a media ban on Tulsi. They are literally the dumbest people on earth. See Gaslighting Tulsi for the deets.

Posted by: Kali | Mar 7 2020 19:02 utc | 29

@h #11
Thanks for pointing out that there are uncounted ballots.
I did the following to investigate this:

I looked at 2016 detailed turnout numbers Official CA Statement of Vote 2016, then compared existing turnout status on the 2020 CA Secretary of State page (93.8% counted by external sources) to 2016 turnout numbers. The 2020 page says 100% votes counted but apparently isn't correct.

I then substituted the 2016 turnout percentage into each county in the 2020 voter counts, then removed the negative numbers (i.e. turnout in 2020 higher than 2016). The result is 1061015 - roughly 1 million ballots if turnout in each county ends up exactly the same as 2016. This is consistent with both what you posted and the huge turnout gap I noted previously in 2020 vs. 2016.

Incidentally, actual turnout for 2016 averaged 34.49%. Democrats were 44.82% of registered voters - so I am fairly sure uncounted raw ballots don't directly apply as new Democrat votes in the primary. The composition of mail-in votes vs. results thus far is also not clear - is it skewed older/can't get to the polls or skewed younger/working and can't go vote? Republican vs. Democrat vs. other? Time will tell.

Looking at LA county in particular - the delta between 2016 turnout and present turnout is 26% (2020) vs. 32.68% (2016) which yields 370525.
This is lower than what the link you provided says, but there is a large discrepancy between votes sent in vs. eligible voters. For LA county, 21% of votes cast are disqualified for whatever reason. Overall, almost 28% of votes cast are disqualified (not eligible).

In any case, if we then take the roughly 1M delta in turnout vs 2016 (35%) and proportion it according to vote thus far - Bernie is still going to be far, far short of 2016 performance (2381722 votes for Sanders in 2016).

The vote count has already ticked up from my previous post - CA SOS is now saying Sanders = 1246498 vs. Biden 974877 (previously 1059055 for Sanders), but it seems highly unlikely that 1 million more Sanders votes are going to turn up.

I had noted that turnout was only 3.1M in 2020 vs. 5.1M in 2016; the "uncounted" will make up a significant part of that gap, depending on what actual turnout ends up being.

Some other interesting notes: The turnout for those counties that exceeded 2016 turnout has averaged 4.1% higher turnout. If I use 39.1% turnout for 2020 for those counties that are under-reporting (instead of the 35% I used previously), then there might be 1.85M more votes - but of course, 44.82% are Democrat so it means maybe 260K more Sanders votes. Again looking at LA county - if actual 2020 turnout is 36.78% vs. 2016's 32.68% - that yields 592K. Not inconsistent with 800K ballots = 640K eligible = 287K Democrat ballots?

Uncounted ballots at 2016 turnout: 1M
Uncounted ballots at 2020 projected turnout (+4.1%): 1.8M
Likely Democrat ballots 2020 projected turnout (+4.1%): 580K
Possible Sanders additional votes: 180K
Possible final Sanders vote count in 2020: 1.83M (vs. 2020 2.38M)

In any case, I appreciate the feedback and data provided. It resolves at least some of the puzzle why the turnout in 2020 (in my previous posts) was so much lower than 2016.

It still seems highly unlikely that Sanders will match or exceed the number of CA Democrat primary votes in 2016, than he received in 2020.

It also provides some evidence that turnout may have been higher, as Circe's news source speculated, but likely still won't make a difference.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2020 19:05 utc | 30

@Likklemore #25
You said:

Now my question is why would the Dems put up such a lame horse to lead the ticket. Papa horse does bribes and brags about it and the foal denies his offspring.

I can think of several reasons:
1) Polls says Biden can beat Trump
2) Biden is many things: potentially demented, a tool of the credit card companies, etc but he is also significantly more likeable than HRC.
3) Biden is clearly South whereas HRC was not. HRC was born in Chicago and served as a New York Senator, despite the Bill Clinton Arkansas connection.

I think Trump will eat Biden alive, but a Democrat reprise of 2016 shouldn't surprise anyone here.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2020 19:12 utc | 31

I think Democrats are betting in a recession after April. Don't underestimate the power of the Dem in the Fed and CIA. If cleverly used it is enough to destroy Trump.

Posted by: Nick | Mar 7 2020 19:20 utc | 32

If the establishment and their supporters from the Middle East oil kingdoms, Pakistan, Turkey, Israel, The UK, Ukraine, and so on have their way, then they will continue to force THEIR choices on the rest of us. What can we do to fight back? Where are the big money people with real values instead of the sell-outs to Wall St. or some oil company? There has to be some of them, you guys and gals need to do the right thing and save the world by supporting the one true leader the world needs right now, before things turn from bad to much much worse. War is on the horizon, a big one.

Q: Why is Tulsi Gabbard Still In The Race? A: To Bring The Ruckus!

Posted by: Kali | Mar 7 2020 19:26 utc | 33

There is also a third option I believe:
Bernie is not a real theat to the establishment but they don't like him/ don't trust him/don't trust what people he might have arround him/don't want to give an inch/ why take any chances?

Posted by: Nukelouke | Mar 7 2020 19:26 utc | 34

The coronavirus just got real last night in the City of San Francisco. The mayor issued an edict early yesterday evening closing down the War Memorial Opera House and Davies Symphony Hall for two weeks starting today in an effort to combat the virus. That will in one stroke blot out 12% of the ballet season, plus whatever symphonies and operas are scheduled. And if they're willing to shut these venues down for two weeks, they might just as easily shut them down for longer. I can see how easily performing companies of all types could get pushed right to the edge of bankruptcy and beyond.

Posted by: Pat K California | Mar 7 2020 19:58 utc | 35

Bernie Sanders rally Grant Park Chicago live!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 7 2020 20:11 utc | 36

likklemore 25

Oy veh!

First I heard of this paternity suit.

So a deadbeat dad and serial polygamist joins the pussy-grabbing, brain-dead hair-fondling circus.

My personal view of these shenanigans is inchoate, and irrelevant.

But it does seem like a measure of *something* that the PTB allow the Biden Boys into the arena at all. Biden pere has so much baggage already. Now Biden fils comes along to make everything about this family look . . . very screwed up (euphemism alert). I feel sorry for Jill Biden. She looks like a decent human being.

I cannot see a majority of American voters participating in an obvious nudge-nudge scenario where they vote for dementiatic Biden, knowing that he is incompetent and they are really voting for the VP proxy such as Hillary. Or Michelle Obama. Or even Elizabeth Warren.

And, IMHO, any one of these women, going along with such a bait-and-switch, would be so obviously in on the con and thus a priori worse than Trump---would American voters really let themselves be played for such marks?

And would Trump let such a con play out without calling it out?

If he really wanted to fake out establishment Dems, Trump would make Bernie or Tulsi his VP! Ha ha ha!

This idea really tickles me!

Posted by: Really?? | Mar 7 2020 20:37 utc | 37

DEMs have a new platform. It used to be 'anybody but Trump', now it’s 'anybody but Bernie’.

Posted by: Noah Way | Mar 7 2020 20:53 utc | 38

@ JR 27

I read Mike spent over $400 million on his run for prez ticket, for how many delegates !!!?. He could have given $ 1 million to each American with change to spare.

@ Really 37

Biden pere has over 40 years of baggage. Sordid. Joe is alleged to have been porking for decades..

And I did not mention Frank, Joe's brother. It's been a family affair.


When it comes to paying up, Hunter learned from Uncle Frank.

For joe and jane mainstreet, let's open with the credit card companies.

Orange King will not need to tweet.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2020 21:17 utc | 39

The shenanigans have begun. 5 hr. waiting lines to vote in Calif, unheard of.
Voter suppression in this yrs. primaries is off the charts. Just think Iowa apps.

I still believe that Bernie will NOT be the Dem. nominee. The DNC and their minions will see to it.

A brokered convention will lead to a second vote, which will free the super delegates to support Biden, and then DJT will annihilate him in the ensuing debates.

Still can't figure out why Biden NEVER brings DJT's kids into the debate, when being assaulted over his son Hunter. It's crook vs. crook after all....

Posted by: ben | Mar 7 2020 21:41 utc | 40

P.S.- The largest unnamed political party in the U$A, the unofficial party of $, which transcends both the Dem. and Repub. parties., will, and has ALWAYS, decided EVERY election in the USA for decades.

2020 will NOT be an exception.

Posted by: ben | Mar 7 2020 21:50 utc | 41

I still think they're planning to use the broken convention to anoint Hillary's return of the living dead.

1. Whatever the Demovile establishment says in public, in their private counsels do they really want to nominate a meatloaf?

2. Hillary's too much of an egomaniac to play second fiddle to this clown, especially since she knows him best as Obama's VP, someone she certainly looked down upon as sec of state.

3. The corporate Dem faithful as well as a large number of the weathervaning "progressives" really believe that the stars decreed Hillary is supposed to be president, and that only some cosmic glitch thwarted that in 2016. They certainly believe the heavens can be set right in 2020.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 7 2020 21:53 utc | 42

@ 44; Bernie's downfall, IMO, is telling the truth to the American public, which, IMO, hasn't enough common sense to " pound sand into a rat hole"..

Every 1st world nation, including the U$A, runs on a "mixed economy", including ALL the nations most of us are taught to think of as Socialist nations.

Even China and Cuba are experimenting with mixed economies.

Leading the American people to an informed position is almost impossible.

Posted by: ben | Mar 7 2020 22:05 utc | 43

I'm worried because Hillary is everywhere lately on every cable soapbox, and she never misses an opportunity to take a cheap shot at Bernie.

Now you know the whispers about Biden's decline in mental acuity and questions about his ability to take on Trump and the rigors of campaigning are growing louder. Here's yet another article.:


My worry is that the DNC will try to pull a fast one and replace him with someone who didn't campaign and didn't earn those delegates. Not that Biden earned them either since Congress endorsing him in a group at once can influence sheep to move in a desired direction.

Oh what a tangled web they weave when first they practice to deceive!

Bernie is the only genuine candidate who can defeat Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 7 2020 22:19 utc | 44

@ donkeytale 42

Re-read. I wrote "I read"

however, since you suggested I check my math.
What is the current population of U.S.A?

At this writing (LIVE) less than four hundred million -> 330, 394, 959.


No need for a calculator,

CBSnews: 2020 Daily Trail Markers: Where Mike Bloomberg spent $570 million during his campaign

He skipped the first four primary states but then put more than $570 million into advertising across the country according to ad tracking by Kantar/Campaign Media analysis group. At the time of his departure from the race the morning after Super Tuesday, he had amassed just 31 pledged delegates, meaning in total he had spent about $18 million per delegate earned according to CBS News political unit associate producer Sarah Ewall-Wice.

At the same time, only about $237 million of that total ad spending has been on ads targeting Super Tuesday state voters who headed to the polls March 3. The vast bulk of it had been spent in states that had not even voted by the time of his exit, including in Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois and Ohio.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2020 22:31 utc | 45

I dont watch the news and haven't followed the campaign much except to glance at headlines and scroll the comments for amusement. An article on ZH about Bidens dementia and stuttering had me curious enough to look at some youtube. Having a mother with advanced dementia whose earliest symptoms were stuttering and loss for words I think its very possible Biden is suffering from progressive aphasia from dementia. Probably has significant memory issues too.

Anyways, will be interesting to see who he choses as running mate. Thats the guy or gal the DNC is really pushing for, but it seems foolish to expect Americans are so dumb to vote for a demented President, or is the dumb virus more serious than I thought

Posted by: Pft | Mar 7 2020 22:40 utc | 46

Here's one I'd never ever even contemplate but has actually happened: Tucker Carlson Interviews Roger Waters about Assange. For 7min, Roger tells the tale to an incredulous Tucker Carlson & FOX aired clips of the Collateral Murder Tape during the show. Watch and share globally!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2020 22:48 utc | 47

@h @12 Donna Brazile wrote about replacing Hillary 2016 with Biden if Hillary was physically unable to continue. See seemed to imply that she would go around the rules. So if Biden gets the nomination, the VP choice may not be the one to get the nod. Or Biden would be replaced before he chose a VP.

I can't see the major establishment figures allowing a demented Biden leaving the convention as the nominee. Or maybe plan is to replace him if he physically bows out afterward.

This of course may open the doors to the worst political nightmare possible. The re-emergence of Hillary Clinton. After all, the Russians installed Trump she deserves another chance.

Posted by: Erelis | Mar 7 2020 22:55 utc | 48

Warren has now pulled back the curtain to show everyone that she is part of the Clinton machine to make sure Bernie does not win. She is on the news saying she is very mad at Bernies people attacking her online - since we can trust who everyone represents online - so now she will not back Bernies agenda that she had first tried to borrow to win the election. Warren now surely is going to support the person who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, plus work with the Republicans to continue Trumps agenda ( though on foreign policy even more hawkish) - because his people online are so nice.

Posted by: SteveR | Mar 7 2020 23:50 utc | 49

In case people are interested in how the election fraud is being done: this is a very interesting analysis of one state's Exit polls vs actual votes. Results are available for 3 states now and Ted is working on the rest.

What he did - which was very smart - is capture the Exit Polls as soon as posted. That because 2-3 hours later the company adjusts them to match the computerized results. Clever, eh?

The company does this per instructions, something instituted after the 2016 analysis all but proved fraud (see greg palast, among several others).

So that's how SC was rigged to show much greater win for Biden than in actuality, and that's ahow a whole bunch of states were on Super-Tuesday (MA, MN, Al, Tx, for sure. Co, TN, ME may be. Analysis still in progress).

i am about to conduct a guessing game on how they'll do MI, where Biden is the projected front runner by +6 over Sanders (but very few polls done there). My guess is that by the time all is said and done and Warren withdrawal accounted for, it'll be Biden at + 12-15%. OTOH, if we advertise that everyone is watching and taking screenshots of exit polls, why there may be a little "hitch" in those polls which may, for some reason, not show up.

I'd also keep an eye for Mississippi for a gigantic blow-out there.

@Circe - keep Tweeting with #wheresbiden - we totally want to see more of him! like now! please Joe come out and play....

Posted by: Merlin2 | Mar 8 2020 0:09 utc | 50

Circe @ 48 said;"Bernie is the only genuine candidate who can defeat Trump."

I believe that statement also. The party of organised big $ believes it also, that's why they're united against him. Unfortunately, they'll get their wishes, and send a lesser candidate against DJT..

Even if he didn't defeat DJT, he'd still be the only genuine candidate. The rest are pretenders.

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 0:25 utc | 51

I'm loving Bernie Sanders Town Hall in Flint, Michigan. LIVE.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 0:44 utc | 52

Gotta' give Tulsi G. her dues. She's a real candidate also. If you'll notice, the party of $ ganged up on her also.

Is there doubt in any one's mind about how corrupt and "fixed" the system of "voting" is, in the U$A?

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 0:51 utc | 53

@Pat K California #35
Given the average age of attendees for events at those venues is probably over 60 - seems like a smart move.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 1:12 utc | 54

@Merlin2 #58
Vote rigging is always possible, but exit polls are unreliable.
They weren't reliable in 2016 - why should they be reliable in 2020?

Any poll has the fundamental problem of incompleteness - many people won't want to take the exit poll; the exit polls can never fully cover all polling places, so there is great risk of over-focus in unrepresentative areas and then there's the fact that people often don't tell the truth of what they did.

The real problem Sanders has faced so far is that the huge field diluted his voting base. In 2016, Hilary ensured there would be no opponents of note - only Sanders ignored her diktat. As I've noted before, it is very possible that some significant number of people who voted for Sanders in 2016, voted in protest against HRC.

His performance in 2020 so far is showing that his base is nowhere near as strong as anyone thought. He has consistently done well with the 18-29, but he's done correspondingly worse everywhere else except possibly Latinos.

Maybe this trend turns around - but he is performing worse from an absolute voter standpoint than 2016. That's not promising - unless the people who voted for Warren, Bloomberg, Butti and/or Klobo go against their candidate's endorsement to vote Sanders.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 1:28 utc | 55

@Jackrabbit and Nukelouke

Thank you for your comments to me. I do lean towards your view in ways, Jackrabbit, about the zionism. And I agree with you, Nukelouke about a third way of looking at it:)

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 8 2020 2:02 utc | 56

I really hope you tuned in to the town hall I posted because Dr. Cornel West was absolutely brilliant. Wow! Is Dr. West enlightened or what?!

The live chat shot up 1,500 people just while he was speaking. The man is a moral genius! He's an authentic, masterful speaker. Obama can only dream of being as great as he is. The Nobel Prize went to the wrong person.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 2:11 utc | 57

@ 63 opined;"The real problem Sanders has faced so far is that the huge field diluted his voting base."

IMO, totally by design. There's an old saying in politics; "In politics, nothing is accidental".

As in 2016, the $ party's fingerprints are all over 2020's irregularities in "voting".

Unregulated $ in politics is a cancer on any "democracy", fake or real..

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 2:23 utc | 58

It's kind of touching to see so many amerikans believe Biden's dementia will be an issue when in fact as far as the DNC hacks are concerned it is a bonus, and if they could engineer it, they would make sure the VP prospect is similarly afflicted.

In the unlikely event that Biden beats Trump he will be far from the first senile prez being worked by 'executive staff' like a marionette. The world had to suffer two terms of Reagan, who admittedly seemed to hang on to his basic acting skills until quite far into his second term. Reagan could be fed any line & even if he had zero comprehension of its meaning, deliver it in a timbre rich voice.
Biden has always sounded like a whiny little prick, so maybe the DNC will line up Jack Nicholson, he's a longstanding dem with a mind of puddled mush nowadays, however, as long as there is a teleprompter Jack could deliver meaningfully all day long.
Just cos Hollywood is now beyond Jack it doesn't mean the whitehouse is.

Bring on the farce - the terrifying thing is that while the rest of the world is alternating between guffaws & horror, 'the folk of amerika' will still be seriously intoning how they live in the world's only democracy.

All the self described 'critical thinkers' lapping up this pap as if it were caviar shows that they may as well give us all some entertainment cos nothing is gonna halt the imperial juggernaut from the usual rapes, murders & thefts.

Posted by: A User | Mar 8 2020 2:24 utc | 59

joe biden isn't going to win the 2020 presidency.. you can take that to the bank!

i guess that is obvious to most except the dem party insiders... on the other hand, maybe they have been paid off to ensure trump wins a 2nd term...

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2020 2:31 utc | 60

circe - you voting for cornell west now?

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2020 2:32 utc | 61

This guy can give anyone interested, A to Z on voter suppression, here in the U$A;

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 2:36 utc | 62

Anybody but Trump? Anybody thinking that please think again. Yes, it is possible to get somebody in the White House more dangerous than Trump. Biden; he in all likelihood still has interests in the Ukraine, and with a another oligarchy in power over there at the moment, what is to say he will not invoke another "regime change". Thus as to possible war with Russia? Well, remember he is in bed with Clinton and gang; and we all know about Hillary starting seven wars under the Obama administration, and openly pandering to take on Russia in a thermo-nuclear war. So, to the anybody but Trump crowd, do please think again. Although Trump is a serious danger to this planet, things can get worse.

Posted by: Robert Shule | Mar 8 2020 2:46 utc | 63

Chris Hedges take on 2020;

" Rules of the Game
Mr. Fish / Truthdig
The quadrennial political game of least worst, or how to scare the public to vote for presidential candidates who serve corporate power, comes this season with a new twist. Donald Trump, if he faces Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, Amy Klobuchar or Michael Bloomberg, will continue to be an amalgamation of Adolf Hitler, Al Capone and the Antichrist. But should Bernie Sanders manage to evade the snares, traps and minefields laid for him by the Democratic Party elites, should he miraculously become the party’s nominee, the game of least worst will radically change. All the terrifying demons that inhabit Trump will be instantly exorcised. But unlike in the biblical story of Jesus driving the demons into a herd of swine, they will be driven into the senator from Vermont. Trump will become the establishment’s reluctant least worse option. Sanders will become a leper. The Democratic and Republican party elites, joining forces as they did in the 1972 presidential election, will do to Sanders what they did to George McGovern, who lost in 49 of the 50 states."

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 2:47 utc | 64

re James'
joe biden isn't going to win the 2020 presidency.. you can take that to the bank!"

I'm gonna hold you to that because if there is a crash esp a covid crash, even whiny Joe will piss all over agent orange -you can take that to wherever. An NPC prez just what we always wanted.

Posted by: A user | Mar 8 2020 2:48 utc | 65

Krystal and Saagar lay it out solid...... here. Over to you Bernie Sanders the next month is entirely yours to make or break. Speak up about what you and your amazing team and supporters actually believe in and will do and ignore the losers you just overtook including Biden!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2020 3:03 utc | 66

debs - please hold me to it, lol... he ain't gonna win, even if he gets the nomination..

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2020 3:12 utc | 67

and he will probably get the nomination too.. dems are too crooked to figure out how ordinary people see this..

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2020 3:14 utc | 68

What is revealed at Bernie's Flint, Michigan town hall is the best of what remains of this country's civic life. It is especially in Cornel West's speech, at the end, that one can see the moral imprint and the transformation that is possible. I don't want to nod my head grimly in the presence of that kind of splendor. A person's soul has to be deadened to want to just write off our future. If you resign to what you see as the fatality of this moment, then surely you have left yourself no way out.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 8 2020 3:19 utc | 69

The wheels are coming off the NO MALARKEY bus.

Biden Teleprompter

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 3:23 utc | 70

h #12

As many are suggesting rightly, there is no way Biden could ever debate Trump live on TV. His onset of dementia would become crystal clear to the electorate and that would do even more serious damage to an already tattered party. So, whatever the play is at hand regarding the propping up of Biden has everything to do with who is selected by the establishment to run as his VP. This is where the game at hand is being played out.

In regards to the late steal theory: Well there is always Debbie, so slimy that nothing sticks and all the messy Awan spy/blackmail stuff just slid away and Trump covered for her. I'm still thinking Biden/hillabilly team (I like that descriptor).

Who is the next reactionary possible? Chuck now there is a man's man. Hasn't put a step wrong except in his mouth.

Schiff would be a stupid loser but if he has the muscle to push those previous two aside then he could get there. I figure the DNC know how bad he is, but then Biden?

Imagine Warren? I cant but.... it is the DNC.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2020 3:30 utc | 71

@72 ben

I like a lot of his writing, but when it comes to politics Chris Hedges is all hat and no saddle. I think the only time he didn't bitch about a candidate was when Ralph Nader gave the election to George W.

Biden is going to lose to Trump, cause it's obvious he can't handle even this campaign, therefore, there's only one candidate left, Bernie Sanders, and I think he's going to defeat Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 3:38 utc | 72

Circe @ 80; I have basically the same take on Chris Hedges, but, he is a brilliant writer, and has been everywhere and has a good take on the empire and it's minions.

In his early days, he put his life on the line many times covering the empire's wars around the globe.

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 4:15 utc | 73

So the DNC got James Clyburn to prop up Biden with Black support which gave him a big boost. In Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada he was on his own 'cause the media were focused on Buttigieg. I insisted then that Buttigieg would not make it past New Hampshire, and I was right. So anyway Joe was on his own then and he failed miserably with voters in the first three states who got to see what we're all seeing now, that Joe Biden has a problem that makes him a terrible communicator! And it's not merely a stutter. He is not the Obama era Joe.

So here's how I see this hoax played out. Joe's in South Carolina alone on one side of the street peddling the Obama era, and it's kind of working, but not enough to make him break away from Sanders. So Jim Clyburn, an icon in the black community, steps in to stand on that side beside Biden while Sanders is on the other side trying to get Black people to see that social justice is the only way to start eliminating racism and racial inequality. In other words, he's not peddling Obama, a mirage of black justice, he's offering the REAL DEAL. Listen to Cornel West on Obama!

So then the Clyburn stunt works in S.C. He reinforces the Obama era mirage. So Biden gets a windfall of black support and a bunch of Congress members rush to Biden's side of the street just to make sure he secures and inflates that momentum.

So I'm warning now: It's ARTIFICIAL hype. Don't stay there; there's a sink hole there and everyone's going down with Joe! Joe is being propped up; he can't handle this campaign, he's having difficulty communicating a coherent message and Trump is already taking him down from a distance in his spare time with one hand tied behind his back.

So, there's only one solution here. Everyone's got to rush back to Bernie's side, because he's the only VIABLE candidate left, and his message is clear, honest and consistent!

And the DNC can't do a damn thing about it, cause if people are starting to wise up that Joe can't defeat Trump, they're gonna panic and support the only candidate who can defeat Trump; Bernie Sanders. So Bernie will end up with a greater and greater majority and then the DNC is done!

People are not THAT stupid that they don't already see that Joe Biden cannot defeat Trump with an incoherent message. Quit with the Obama train sentimental journey. You can't go back! Besides, Obama didn't deliver on racial equality; instead he got embroiled in war with Hillary's influence. This is a different and dangerous time. Get serious. There's one candidate left, Bernie Sanders, and he will defeat Trump.

This requires COMPLETELY ignoring the media and the establishment, who have narrow selfish interests. It requires a leap of faith and no fear. This is a correction. What should have been allowed to happen in 2016, will happen in 2020. Bernie Sanders will be the Nominee and he WILL defeat Trump. Trump is going down!

@81 ben

I know, Hedges is intelligent, but trust me, if Bernie makes it, because people wake up and start running away from Biden and the DNC have no choice but to give Sanders the nomination, EVEN CHRIS HEDGES AND RALPH NADER WILL GET INTO THE TRENCHES TO HELP BERNIE TAKE DOWN TRUMP. Count on it.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 5:49 utc | 74

1. It's long been a truism for many including myself that barring some wild card, Trump likely will win in 2020. Although a for-real Sanders could beat Trump, we assume the DNC will steal the nomination from him and he will roll over as in 2016. Sanders will shill for the DNC nominee, as he unilaterally, unconditionally promised from the start.

2. The Corona pandemic may become this wild card, and Trump looks incapable of dealing with it even on a demagogic level. This opens up the possibility that even a DNC candidate fake-talking a good game could beat him. The DNC would rather Trump win than Sanders, but would rather their own corporate candidate win over Trump.

3. In that case, are they really going to throw away such an opportunity by nominating someone who's literally in a state of dementia? That would exceed even my expectations of how stupid the Democrats are.

4. Like I said earlier, they're true believers in Hillary being the chosen one. Only that could have given such fuel to the Russiagate Derangement, something so counter-factual and stupid that no rational or normally irrational state of mind could have clung to it with such demented tenacity for so long and at such opportunity cost.

5. Therefore, barring some new wild card specific to the Democrat circus, I expect the broken convention will anoint Hillary.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 8 2020 6:12 utc | 75

Never let reality get in the way of wishful thinking.
The house shrieker's ludicrous claim that it was honest Ralph Nader who cost the man who claimed to have invented the 'net the 2000 election, not the dem's party's acquiescence to outright theft, says it all eh Chad?
Next thing when Biden is fixed into the dem nomination, the shrieks will be that it isn't true that the dem hacks would rather lose with Biden than win with Sanders, when blind Freddie can see it is.
I hafta to say that I reckon as zionistic as trump is, he's prolly far short of Biden on that score, since orangeade's sole interest in Occupied Palestine is making bucks outta joint nutyahoo/kushner property developments & war is considered a price depressant in the stolen real estate game.

On the other hand Biden will unhesitatingly support anything the zionists demand (war with Iran? No worries digger. etc) and worst at all if the dems continue to hold congress is that altho we've yet to see it this term, it isn't unheard of for a dem congress to decline support for a rethug prez's plan.
If Biden did somehow jag the prez job something which could occur when orange screws up the covid response the dems will be far more certain to back a dem prez who demands a war than a rethug.

As noxious as Trump is which is poisonous to the max, Biden as prez would start more wars than Trump as prez, that is what concerns most of us humans.

If amerikans are so stupid as to elect a pol who doesn't care a fuck about amerikans, that is their fault & they can wear the result. In that case the world prefers the prez less likely to wage war on them, which is absolutely understandable.

Posted by: A User | Mar 8 2020 6:33 utc | 76

Circe | Mar 8 2020 3:38 utc | 80

"Ralph Nader gave the election to George W."

Wrong, Dembot.

1. Gore won the election, then he and his supporters 100% of their own free will handed it over to Bush, merely because a handful of dirtbags wanted to steal it. (That, of course, is proof that Gore and his voters knew deep down it made no difference which became president since both were the same.)

Just like how your Sanders won the nomination in 2016 and then 100% of his own free will handed it over to Hillary, as pre-arranged, and proceeded to shill for her.

2. For the last time, though you Dembots will never get it thru your thick skulls, people's votes do not belong to you. You have to earn them. If the election were real, there's no conceivable way Nader or anyone else could hand it to anybody.

Again, the fact that Dembots and other electoral fundamentalists conceive elections in terms of the votes being the "property" of the Democratic Party, or its DNC, or the government, is proof that you view the elections as purely fake circuses.

Of course the elections are fake. That's a core part of the neoliberal formula. But by your own rhetoric, if it actually were possible to find some real solution within the framework of electoralism, this could happen only by people feeling truly free to vote for anyone they wish, and especially "alternative" candidates.

In the end the best proof that Sanders is a sheepdog is the purely existential, objective fact that he's touting the Democratic Party as any kind of possible vehicle out of the predicament. This, of course, is impossible.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 8 2020 6:55 utc | 77

@83 Russ

I expect the broken convention will anoint Hillary.

Not if people start to see that the DNC is intentionally propping up a candidate they know will lose to Trump, because of some kind of disability that makes him incoherent and forgetful. They have a real problem on their hands right now. They're not going to be able to hide this anymore.

Biden has an incoherence problem, the reason for which can be assumed and is yet not known, but that DISQUALIFIES him as a candidate and in any race or any democracy the remaining candidate can finish the race alone and is the winner, i.e. the Nominee!
To bad the DNC rigged the race by propping up Biden. They fixed it with the wrong horse and now it's going to blow up in their face and they can do squat about it!

They cannot declare someone who did not run the race, and ESPECIALLY Hillary who is so divisive and disliked by many, or someone who finished with a handful of delegates and is already out, the Nominee. THAT'S STEALING. THAT'S NOT DEMOCRACY.

People will not accept such a manoeuvre as legitimate. Bernie can legitimately finish the race and get the required delegates to get the nomination.

The DNC is screwed. They'll have to resign themselves to the reality that Bernie Sanders is the legitimate Nominee. Period.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 7:13 utc | 78

@85 Russ

Your thinking is so hopelessly twisted. Do you not understand that to most people on this planet Trump represents an existential threat?

That together with the fact that Bernie believes in a fair process is why he says he'll support the person with the majority of pledged delegates, because A) Getting rid of Trump is an existential priority! And B) Bernie has no choice but to run with one of the two parties if he wants any chance at Executive power to make changes that give ordinary people power!

No independent has come as far as he has! Give him credit damn you! I'd like to see you get from an unknown activist, to mayor, to the House, to the Senate, to running for President and almost making it and THEN waiting 4 years, still working all that time at a grassroots level with communities and unions and running AGAIN at his age! Who has that kind of patience and commitment? NOT YOU. That's for sure, therefore, you are in no position to judge!

You are clueless and judgmental; the worst combination!


Nader ran ONLY to make a point at the worst possible time! Even Nader knew he couldn't win or get beyond 5% FFS! If he thought otherwise; he's more stupid then he sounds.
But he sure as hell knew the risk involved if he got 5%.

When I think of the millions who died because of the Iraq domino and the damage Bush did?

You're really infuriating. I'm done with your shet.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 7:55 utc | 79


Your thinking is so hopelessly twisted. Do you not understand that to most people on this planet Trump represents an existential threat?

In your hopelessly twisted "thinking" you do not understand that the US, regardless of who's president, represents an existential threat to ALL people on this planet. But of course a Dembot like you, being indelibly faithful to the US ecocidal imperial economy (if you weren't religiously faithful to it you could never be a Dembot), refuses to understand such a fact. Or more accurately, you don't care about it.

They cannot declare someone who did not run the race

Sure they can.

People will not accept such a manoeuvre as legitimate.

Regular rightist Dembots certainly will. If it's Hillary they'll go into raptures.

And I predict a large majority of Bernbots will accept it too. Once the Sanders farce is over, many of us here fully expect you to go back to your usual program of Trump-Derangement 24/7 including shrieking support for whatever the DNC coughs up. You'll support the Alzheimer meatloaf if you have to.

In all this I merely describe the proven behavior of morbid electoralists, and especially the lowest dregs, incorrigible Dembots.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 8 2020 8:45 utc | 80

Circe #86

Of course the DNC will cheat. Likely this is Bernies last run so they can take extraordinary steps knowing / assuming he can't do this again. Certainly if he gets shafted this time and still sheepdogs for the machine he could never be trusted again in any capacity.

The DNC is desperate to purge the social democrats as they hate their platform and just like the 1% they want it all for themselves. I am certain the DNC will pull the ceiling down just to permanently shut down these progressive voices. Remember the DNC trawls millions to pay the wages of the DNC. They look after themselves fist and run election campaigns second.

Expect duplicitous evil and malign gaming from the DNC. That does not mean all is lost as Bernie could seriously shaft Biden in the next month or so. Time will tell. But he sure better focus on whining instead of sucking up to scabs like Warren.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2020 11:44 utc | 81

He sure better focus on winning... that is. :)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2020 11:45 utc | 82


I don't think Sanders' campaign is about winning. He has lined up some serious young talent in his campaign plus civil rights groups and he is giving them experience and access to fund raising plus a chance of getting known.

His campaign is about changing the Democratic party.

By the way, the time you could trust videos is over. This here is Joe Biden in Kansas, cut video taken out at 10 minutes' mark in the

Trumpist version here.

There are other versions looping and slowing it down to make Biden sound senile.

He is giving feel good speeches about the old times. Another version of "Make America Great Again".

With demographics being what they are this might just work. When you think the old times were good you are old. Human memory works that way. It means you were young then, it does not mean times were good.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 8 2020 12:05 utc | 83

The USA is fucked any way you slice it. We've had a do-nothing government for 30+ years, except when it comes to global murder, and the concentration of wealth to the 1%.

Bernie Sanders is not an existential threat to the status quo of War and Wall Street, but an existential threat to the Democratic Party Apparatchik who make a living as American Exceptionalist apologists, and defenders of for-profit Empire. This Democratic Establishment Cabal loves Trump! Fear and loathing of Trump is the only money-making machine they've got, if you don't count Big Health, Big Oil, Big Money etc. etc.

Biden won't be the nominee, nor Bernie. Biden is the horse that limps to the finish line, dies of a stroke and hustled off to the glue factory (do they still do that?).

Bad news for Democrats is they have no candidates but centrists who still blame Putin for Trump, and who will lose in a landslide to an insane piece of shit with an IQ of clay. Damn Russians!

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 8 2020 13:57 utc | 84

US Senator Kamala Harris Says She Endorses Joe Biden for US President

Now that the situation is controlled, it's time to put the exotic beasts of postmodernism back to their cages.

Posted by: vk | Mar 8 2020 14:47 utc | 85

In post 91, 'somebody' wrote the Bernie's "campaign is about changing the Democratic party." But the opposite seems far more likely: The Bernie's trying to save party's decaying corpse with happy words while the people he calls Great Friends routinely slander him while kicking him in the gonads.

Meanwhile The Bernie's acolytes smear natural allies like Nader to camouflage his Great Friends' duplicity and cowardice. Was Nader a Kremlin bot? What about Pat Buchanan? The Dems knew exactly how 2000 was stolen before the election and still did nothing to stop it! Kind of like Bernie in 2016.

Malcolm had it right when he said "A Democrat is nothing but a Dixiecrat." In months, Circe will pimp Biden to us without missing a beat.

Posted by: SR | Mar 8 2020 14:49 utc | 86

Posted by: vk | Mar 8 2020 14:47 utc | 93

Jesse Jackson has just endorsed Sanders. It is a memory game.

Careerists bet on Biden.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 8 2020 15:01 utc | 87

vk @93

During her campaign, Kamala Harris was critical of Biden's Civil Rights record.

Now she endorses BIDEN despite Bernie's good record on Civil Rights. LOL.

Bernie will, of course, say nothing


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 8 2020 15:41 utc | 88

c1ue - thanks for your response regarding ballot counting in California. FWIW, that state's voting system has all kinds of twists and turns designed into it making it that much more difficult for the average joe to track the results. It's a perplexing voting system.

Erelis @56 wrote "Donna Brazile wrote about replacing Hillary 2016 with Biden if Hillary was physically unable to continue. See seemed to imply that she would go around the rules. So if Biden gets the nomination, the VP choice may not be the one to get the nod. Or Biden would be replaced before he chose a VP."

It's the corporate rules governing the nomination that are worth a query. Like you said, Brazile 'implied' she'd work around the rules to insert Biden if Hillary's health declined further in 2016. Of course, that suggests that like a CEO of a corporation, as the DNC is, the brand must be protected at all costs. It's what corporate leadership is hired to do.

So fast forward to 2020 and we have two fellas vying for the corporate nomination - one fella who declares that he is not a democrat but is running for the party's nomination anyway v another fella who has spent his entire adulthood serving the corporate interest of his party - An admitted infiltrator v a senile party loyalist. Yep, that's a winning ticket...NOT.

What's a CEO to do to protect the corporate brand? First, you maneuver the infiltrator out of play, which is what we are all bearing witness to today. Infiltrators are not rewarded w/nominations. It's not how it works. Second, you back the senile candidate b/c he's been a party loyalist for decades who has some awareness that his candidacy is in fact to be used as a 'placeholder' while the decks are cleared for the party nominee(s) the establishment has chosen.

This is where those dem corporate rules come into play. And Brazile's suggestion she'd work around the 'rules' re Hillary in 2016 means one of two things - 1. the rules can be broken w/little blowback and/or 2. the rules committee included language about replacement of a nominee and likely the process for which to remove them.

Btw, Amy Klobuchar suggested she was joining 'Biden's ticket' over the weekend - "Klobuchar 'ticket' slip-up at Biden event in Michigan sparks speculation she'll be his VP pick" - I'd make the headline a hot link but b/c I screwed up above I'm not taking a chance.

Posted by: h | Mar 8 2020 16:38 utc | 89

@ donkeytale it was on a Twitter feed: the bad math I swallowed whole. glancing, instead of critically calculating. Too rushed. My apologies. It's $1.73

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 8 2020 16:56 utc | 90

Bernie Sanders rally Grand Rapids, MI. with Rev. Jesse Jackson live.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 17:09 utc | 91

A Chris Hedges quote:

We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health,
lawyers destroy justice,
universities destroy knowledge,
governments destroy freedom,
the press destroys information,
religion destroys morals,
and our banks destroy the economy.

I think he has his finger on the pulse of the nation...

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Mar 8 2020 17:38 utc | 92

@Russ #83
Regarding your nCOV theory:

If we're talking realpolitik - the reality is the nCOV isn't going to be a factor before November 2020. The number of infections will increase, but it won't get that bad before spring rolls in and warm weather moderates the outcome.
So I wouldn't expect nCOV pandemic to be an issue.

Economically, it actually gives Trump a perfectly legitimate excuse: fear! panic! China!

b's take on the "red graph" is legit, but the start time is more likely after the election. I also have a lot of questions over whether any US response could be on par with China/Singapore.
Even disregarding the fundamental problems with US health care in general, the whole federal/state/private sector dichotomies are a real problem. The primary linkages are federal funds, but the federal government doesn't have the information nor the people on the ground to even conduct basic connectivity research and quarantines above a fairly small number of investigative targets.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 18:33 utc | 93

Posted by: SR | Mar 8 2020 14:49 utc | 94

Sure, delegitimizing state institutions and doubting elections is the classical regime change technique the US use abroad.

I don't think they are prepared to do this to their own country.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 8 2020 18:43 utc | 94

California vote tracking:
While the incoming mail ballots still are favoring Sanders, the margin is lower than the votes already counted.
The delta today vs. the previous post (#30)
Sanders: 1330700 (vs. 1246498) = +84202
Biden: 1043145 (vs. 974877) = +68268

Ratio from #30: 1.2786
Ratio of delta from #30: 1.2334 - so Biden is making up a little ground.

Other items of note: NYT commentary on upcoming Michigan primary
NYT source

It is hard to say why Mr. Sanders has faltered among these voters, given the consistency of his message and his improved name recognition. One possibility is that many of his 2016 supporters were casting protest votes against Hillary Clinton. Another possibility is that many former supporters of Mr. Sanders ultimately backed the president and are now lost to the Democrats.

Whatever the cause, Mr. Sanders has often made up for losses in white, working-class areas this year with gains among Latino voters and white voters who live in left-liberal areas. In a sense, he has traded strength in states like Maine and Minnesota for strength in California. This is a bad trade in Michigan, where Latino voters make up only a sliver of the Democratic electorate. It may be an even worse trade in Michigan than it was in Minnesota or Maine, since there are relatively few overwhelmingly Democratic left-liberal enclaves akin to Minneapolis or Portland, Maine. Only Ann Arbor and Lansing fall into a similar category.

Or in other words, Sanders' platform may have shot its wad in California - alienated the Midwest in favor of the ultra-liberals.

Time will tell.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 18:53 utc | 95

@somebody #102
You said:

I don't think they are prepared to do this to their own country.

So what do you call Russiagate?

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 18:53 utc | 96

Let me tell you just how phony Biden's campaign is compared to Bernie Sanders. When you go to on Biden's section, you have to go through pages and pages of elite corporatist establishment political endorsements to get to a small section on Biden's Events! And Biden himself holds ONLY one event per day in one state where he speaks 1/3 of the time Bernie Sanders speaks and delivers an INCOHERENT MESSAGE to a few hundred attendees! Yesterday in Missouri he had his largest crowd yet, only a few thousand, maybe 3,000 and he spoke for 7 MINUTES.

In stark contrast, you find Bernie's weekly endorsements on the same page as his events. Bernie holds 2 to 3 events in one day sometimes in 2 different states. Check especially before Super Tuesday. It was a gruelling schedule!

Yesterday Bernie was in Chicago Il, spoke to 15,000 people and then held a large town hall for thousands in FLINT Michigan. Today Bernie did interviews on 4 networks, held a rally already in Grand Rapids and will be at another rally tonight in Ann Arbor with AOC! These are the primaries and his crowds already range from 8,000 to 17,000! Bernie is a dynamic beast next to Biden.


JOE BIDEN CARES SQUAT ABOUT MICHIGAN. His support for trade deals decimated the Rust Belt, that's only one reason he's hardly showing his face in Michigan! Amy Klobuchar had to step in to hold a couple of very small events for him.

Joe Biden is only a figurehead, propped up by the elites, all those pages of filler endorsements are meant to FOOL EVERYONE and keep people from discerning he's a hot mess and witnessing the utter weakness of his candidacy.

Joe Biden doesn't have the stamina or coherence to run a successful campaign especially in the general election! His handlers are hiding him from sight as much as possible for that reason.

TRUMP WILL BEAT JOE BIDEN'S ASS. Joe Biden is an incoherent mess without a clear policy platform beholden to the rich and party elites. He is unfit to be the Nominee.

A vote for Joe Biden will be A VOTE FOR TRUMP.

God help us all!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 19:03 utc | 97

"o maybe the DNC will line up Jack Nicholson, "

Actually, Jack Nicolson does not have a very pleasant voice. IIRC he has kind of a twang.

Voice-wise, I go for Peter Coyote.

But Peter would not "lip-synch" for Biden.

Posted by: Really?? | Mar 8 2020 20:14 utc | 98

Today Jesse Jackson endorsed Bernie Sanders.

The Jackson video in this tweet is must see. I've been to Trump sites to see what they're up to and if people especially young people under 29, and black people (most young people and Latinos get what's at stake, that's why they're backing the only winner Bernie); if these two groups don't seriously heed the advice in this video, Incoherent Joe will be crowned the Nominee, and Trump is going to win, cause people in his twittersphere are BADASS CRAZY AND REVVING ENGINES ALREADY.

Margin of despair

It's not the margin of despair; it's the margin of complacency, apathy and cynicism.

Who wants and needs it more and is willing to fight the hardest no matter what comes; taking nothing ever for granted will win the Nomination and the General. That passion is with Bernie and everyone must follow his lead to a fault to win the whole damn thing!

Elizabeth Warren was on SNL joking about her holding position at this time WHEN EVERYTHING IS AT STAKE.

This is a DO or die moment for the Progressive Movement.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 20:15 utc | 99

@donkeytale #106
Interesting - it is less clear to me the "faith" of the Democrat/African American constituencies as opposed to the blue collar deplorables being the primary issue, but I can agree with what you say in general.

The real question is: If Sanders loses - either the nomination or Presidential election, what happens in 2024?
Sanders is already pretty old - I don't see him carrying the torch again at 83.

Maybe that is what Gabbard is shooting for.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 22:15 utc | 100

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