@jo6pac
Hillary? At first thought, I don’t think her ego would allow it:D I’ll go with either Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren;)

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 7 2020 15:04 utc | 3

What difference does it really make for the people will vote for the worse of the lot,they always have and they always will and then bitch because things never change but remains the same.!!

Posted by: bluedogg | Mar 7 2020 15:15 utc | 5

Trump’s political base shares some base demographic characteristics of the unfortunate souls who have perished to COVID-19.
The stronger second wave of this pandemic will crash down upon the US electorate in prime election season.
After 60 livin’ large years of American bullshit I gotta say this:
This sucker is gonna blow – please stand a safe distance away from the US this fall.

Posted by: David N Metheny | Mar 7 2020 15:18 utc | 7

The Democrat Party Primary can only be explained by – despite all the rethoric – no one expecting to beat Trump in a good economy.
Corona Virus may change all that.
The Democrats are now stuck with a guy with onset dementia and an old 1960 lefty who uses the primary for a long term project to shift mainstream discussion to the left and fund the party’s left wing base. And who owns the Corona Virus health care issue.
Sanders has a very good chance to kill Biden on his political record in the next debate and via the internet even if Biden has a mentally good night. Even if the moderators create chaos like in the last debate and the audience is told to boo Sanders.
It is a careerist nightmare – get tied to Biden in your CV when you know he won’t last long or bet on an outsider.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 7 2020 15:22 utc | 9

Bringing this up from the March 3 election thread…
c1ue @373 said “The numbers I put up are from the California Secretary of State – Bernie Sanders received more than 1 million fewer votes in 2020 03than 2016.”
What am I missing here? They are still counting ballots in California – update: LA County says about 800,000 ballots remain in Los Angeles alone—of which about 250,000 were mail ballots dropped in on Election Day—and keep in mind more could still arrive via mail until tomorrow (if postmarked by yesterday). So… a while to go. – https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1235745948984279041
and then Rosie memos @almostjingo has this update out of California – “#ElectionUpdate 228,630 mail-in ballots added to Los Angeles brining total number of uncounted votes to 3,476,611” – https://twitter.com/almostjingo/status/1236052674845364224
These #’s are as of last night. This is just LA. I’m thinking it’s a bit premature to suggest ‘Sanders received more than 1 million fewer votes…’ simply b/c he’s picking up, as is Biden, more and more votes.

Posted by: h | Mar 7 2020 15:44 utc | 11

@ somebody | Mar 7 2020 15:22 utc | 9 > “no one expecting to beat Trump in a good economy. Corona Virus may change all that.”
Indeed, it may change a great deal and number. That may also provide a plausible excuse to cancel the ritual, “postpone for the duration” – and consider too that, if indeed CV is a weapon (no matter how crude and sloppy the “collateral damage”) is a weapon directed at Ru Chin Iran – directed by “A” – then it would be logically congruent if they do plan to cancel, and also to attack Ru Chin Iran by additional means simultaneously.
One might imagine there’s a vast propaganda campaign to blame CV on China, then a big FF in the Strait, then a bigger FF in Chicago…all ahone atwoa three – Lawrence Welk, snare drums please..
………
About the Changes (a few anyway) see>
Max and Stacy address some prospects for CV today at keiser-report/482491

Posted by: Walter | Mar 7 2020 15:58 utc | 13

What in the world? Only the headline was hyperlinked NOT the text! Hope this doesn’t mess up the thread. Damn!

Posted by: h | Mar 7 2020 16:06 utc | 15

The DNC anointing Biden is a loyalty test on the order of 1984’s “2+2=5.” But hey, the GOP’s assertion that Trump is “making America Great Again” is, similarly, asking its believers to assert that 2+2=6. Whichever party wins the election, America is determined to go to hell and take the whole world with it.
Glad to note that I’m not the only one thinking that Biden is likely to turn out to be a bait and switch candidate. How soon do we find out he’s in adult diapers?

Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Mar 7 2020 16:23 utc | 17

As I noted on the previous thread, the DNC/Oligarchs’decision to go all in on Biden was a desperate move, forced on them by their reading of the polling trends.
Biden-even with the MSM looking the other way and pretending ignorance-is not viable as a candidate. Least of all as a candidate of the Black Misleadership class-he has a record going back throughout his career of crass racism and sponsorship of mass incarceration. And it will be impossible to hide this from the voters.
Sanders is in Frederick the Great’s position-during the Seven Year/French and Indian War- totally surrounded he has all his enemies just where he wants them. There are no further surprises to spring, no Warren like candidates preaching a moderate version of his platform, no ID champions, no men married to one another, no women with track records of keeping innocent people in jail, no more cards to play. No more Bernie boycotting in the media.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 7 2020 16:45 utc | 19

jo6pac @ 2
Biden is elected and hillabillie is his VP. Biden leaves the office of potus do brain damage and hillabillie becomes potus. Then she goes starting more wars.
There is a rumor that Stacie Abrams might be chosen. It is sort of like McCain Choosing Palin except the press will lionized Abrams and not demolish her like they did with Palin.
Abrams was invited to Bilderberg and she came back talking like she was going to run the world someday. It would be the Establishment move to guarantee Trump getting a second term.

Posted by: dltravers | Mar 7 2020 16:54 utc | 21

There were very shady things going on with vote results in most Super Tuesday states. Biden ended up with +8 points average on all states vs the exit polls. All other candidates ended the opposite, with less votes. I believe what happened is the votes that went to Buttyboy and Kloby were counted as for Biden. I know for a fact Kloby and Butty were bith still on the ballots even though they had quit. Lots of old americans possibly didnt even know they had quit. Howcome I have not heard how many votes Butty or Klobby got???
Sanders is a tool at this point to go along with the charade. The progressives need to find a new uounger stronger leader. This old coot wont take us anywhere but defeat.

Posted by: Comandante | Mar 7 2020 17:25 utc | 23

Wall Street guys and gals are pushing Biden.
And the Dems have changed the rules to disqualify Tulsi from debates. A party run by thieves.
I am watching
Trump’s corner. He is setting up for bruising campaign against Biden.
and there is this little probe by his former Senate peers: Biden will not be able to continue sidestepping questions about Hunter’s foreign business dealings.
Republicans lean into Biden probe as he surges in Democratic primary
getting a lot of air on MSM and Mitti is on board.
Senate Committee poised to issue first subpoena into Ukrainian company with ties to Biden

GOP Sen. Mitt Romney will vote in favor of a subpoena that will allow Senate Republicans to further their ongoing investigation into Burisma, a Ukrainian oil and gas firm for which former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, once served on the board of directors.
Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Ron Johnson announced his intention to force a vote on the subpoena — a first in the panel’s probe. It’s a move that comes just as Biden surges to the front of the narrowing pack of 2020 Democratic candidates.[.]

Oh and Hunter has his other troubles. That paternity suit.
CNBC reports:
Child’s mother wants the Ukraine money
Now my question is why would the Dems put up such a lame horse to lead the ticket. Papa horse does bribes and brags about it and the foal denies his offspring.
Papa horse will lose three legs in midstream. Trump won’t need to twitter away.
Thieves are not known to think of consequences.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2020 17:40 utc | 25

Bloomberg WTF
“Mike will get it done” droned into us with wall-to-wall advertising is now, er … “done”.
Why isn’t “Mike” now a poster child for Democratic false promises? (hint: $$$$$)
<> <> <> <> <> <>
Was it the shortest Presidential campaign ever? He entered the race on November 24th and left on March 4th. 3 months and 10 days.
And “Mike” was always known as “Michael Bloomberg”. The attempt to humanize this out-of-touch billionaire failed as much as his campaign did.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 7 2020 18:40 utc | 27

I’m seeing Bernie Sander’s surrogates criticizing Joe Biden BUT INSISTING THAT THE BURSIMA SCANDAL IS BOGUS! What is the deal with those lunatics? They are establishment lifers who are looking at the future jobs market, so they can’t let go of the their lifelines to that sinking ship even though it is dragging them down with it.
Trump’s impeachment had one purpose–to make criticizing Joe Biden over Burisma “off the table.” Looks like it is succeeding on the Sanders people who like morons are going along with it. From Pam Ho Impeachment For Dummies: or How progressives were conned into supporting Joe Biden for President
Also Tulsi Gabbard has of course been forced out of the debate with a new rule made specially for her, why? They fear what she will do to Biden of course. Meanwhile the media throws a funeral with endless weeping for Elizabeth Warren over SEXISM!!! Could they be more phony? Yes. And of course they will be. They hate Tulsi because of brainwashing by their own media pals, and the fact that the Clintons are still top dogs among that crowd and put out a media ban on Tulsi. They are literally the dumbest people on earth. See Gaslighting Tulsi for the deets.

Posted by: Kali | Mar 7 2020 19:02 utc | 29

@Likklemore #25
You said:

Now my question is why would the Dems put up such a lame horse to lead the ticket. Papa horse does bribes and brags about it and the foal denies his offspring.

I can think of several reasons:
1) Polls says Biden can beat Trump
2) Biden is many things: potentially demented, a tool of the credit card companies, etc but he is also significantly more likeable than HRC.
3) Biden is clearly South whereas HRC was not. HRC was born in Chicago and served as a New York Senator, despite the Bill Clinton Arkansas connection.
I think Trump will eat Biden alive, but a Democrat reprise of 2016 shouldn’t surprise anyone here.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2020 19:12 utc | 31

If the establishment and their supporters from the Middle East oil kingdoms, Pakistan, Turkey, Israel, The UK, Ukraine, and so on have their way, then they will continue to force THEIR choices on the rest of us. What can we do to fight back? Where are the big money people with real values instead of the sell-outs to Wall St. or some oil company? There has to be some of them, you guys and gals need to do the right thing and save the world by supporting the one true leader the world needs right now, before things turn from bad to much much worse. War is on the horizon, a big one.
Q: Why is Tulsi Gabbard Still In The Race? A: To Bring The Ruckus!

Posted by: Kali | Mar 7 2020 19:26 utc | 33

The coronavirus just got real last night in the City of San Francisco. The mayor issued an edict early yesterday evening closing down the War Memorial Opera House and Davies Symphony Hall for two weeks starting today in an effort to combat the virus. That will in one stroke blot out 12% of the ballet season, plus whatever symphonies and operas are scheduled. And if they’re willing to shut these venues down for two weeks, they might just as easily shut them down for longer. I can see how easily performing companies of all types could get pushed right to the edge of bankruptcy and beyond.

Posted by: Pat K California | Mar 7 2020 19:58 utc | 35

likklemore 25
Oy veh!
First I heard of this paternity suit.
So a deadbeat dad and serial polygamist joins the pussy-grabbing, brain-dead hair-fondling circus.
My personal view of these shenanigans is inchoate, and irrelevant.
But it does seem like a measure of *something* that the PTB allow the Biden Boys into the arena at all. Biden pere has so much baggage already. Now Biden fils comes along to make everything about this family look . . . very screwed up (euphemism alert). I feel sorry for Jill Biden. She looks like a decent human being.
I cannot see a majority of American voters participating in an obvious nudge-nudge scenario where they vote for dementiatic Biden, knowing that he is incompetent and they are really voting for the VP proxy such as Hillary. Or Michelle Obama. Or even Elizabeth Warren.
And, IMHO, any one of these women, going along with such a bait-and-switch, would be so obviously in on the con and thus a priori worse than Trump—would American voters really let themselves be played for such marks?
And would Trump let such a con play out without calling it out?
If he really wanted to fake out establishment Dems, Trump would make Bernie or Tulsi his VP! Ha ha ha!
This idea really tickles me!

Posted by: Really?? | Mar 7 2020 20:37 utc | 37

@ JR 27
I read Mike spent over $400 million on his run for prez ticket, for how many delegates !!!?. He could have given $ 1 million to each American with change to spare.
@ Really 37
Biden pere has over 40 years of baggage. Sordid. Joe is alleged to have been porking for decades..
And I did not mention Frank, Joe’s brother. It’s been a family affair.
And,
When it comes to paying up, Hunter learned from Uncle Frank.
For joe and jane mainstreet, let’s open with the credit card companies.
Orange King will not need to tweet.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2020 21:17 utc | 39

P.S.- The largest unnamed political party in the U$A, the unofficial party of $, which transcends both the Dem. and Repub. parties., will, and has ALWAYS, decided EVERY election in the USA for decades.
2020 will NOT be an exception.

Posted by: ben | Mar 7 2020 21:50 utc | 41

@ 44; Bernie’s downfall, IMO, is telling the truth to the American public, which, IMO, hasn’t enough common sense to ” pound sand into a rat hole”..
Every 1st world nation, including the U$A, runs on a “mixed economy”, including ALL the nations most of us are taught to think of as Socialist nations.
Even China and Cuba are experimenting with mixed economies.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/cuba-economic-reforms-market-852/
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/important-facts-related-to-the-economy-of-venezuela.html
https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2015/02/09/the-long-march-to-the-mixed-economy-in-china/
Leading the American people to an informed position is almost impossible.

Posted by: ben | Mar 7 2020 22:05 utc | 43

@ donkeytale 42
Re-read. I wrote “I read”
however, since you suggested I check my math.
What is the current population of U.S.A?
At this writing (LIVE) less than four hundred million -> 330, 394, 959.
Here.
No need for a calculator,
CBSnews: 2020 Daily Trail Markers: Where Mike Bloomberg spent $570 million during his campaign

He skipped the first four primary states but then put more than $570 million into advertising across the country according to ad tracking by Kantar/Campaign Media analysis group. At the time of his departure from the race the morning after Super Tuesday, he had amassed just 31 pledged delegates, meaning in total he had spent about $18 million per delegate earned according to CBS News political unit associate producer Sarah Ewall-Wice.
At the same time, only about $237 million of that total ad spending has been on ads targeting Super Tuesday state voters who headed to the polls March 3. The vast bulk of it had been spent in states that had not even voted by the time of his exit, including in Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois and Ohio.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2020 22:31 utc | 45

Here’s one I’d never ever even contemplate but has actually happened: Tucker Carlson Interviews Roger Waters about Assange. For 7min, Roger tells the tale to an incredulous Tucker Carlson & FOX aired clips of the Collateral Murder Tape during the show. Watch and share globally!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2020 22:48 utc | 47

Warren has now pulled back the curtain to show everyone that she is part of the Clinton machine to make sure Bernie does not win. She is on the news saying she is very mad at Bernies people attacking her online – since we can trust who everyone represents online – so now she will not back Bernies agenda that she had first tried to borrow to win the election. Warren now surely is going to support the person who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, plus work with the Republicans to continue Trumps agenda ( though on foreign policy even more hawkish) – because his people online are so nice.

Posted by: SteveR | Mar 7 2020 23:50 utc | 49

Circe @ 48 said;”Bernie is the only genuine candidate who can defeat Trump.”
I believe that statement also. The party of organised big $ believes it also, that’s why they’re united against him. Unfortunately, they’ll get their wishes, and send a lesser candidate against DJT..
Even if he didn’t defeat DJT, he’d still be the only genuine candidate. The rest are pretenders.

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 0:25 utc | 51

Gotta’ give Tulsi G. her dues. She’s a real candidate also. If you’ll notice, the party of $ ganged up on her also.
Is there doubt in any one’s mind about how corrupt and “fixed” the system of “voting” is, in the U$A?

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 0:51 utc | 53

@Merlin2 #58
Vote rigging is always possible, but exit polls are unreliable.
They weren’t reliable in 2016 – why should they be reliable in 2020?
Any poll has the fundamental problem of incompleteness – many people won’t want to take the exit poll; the exit polls can never fully cover all polling places, so there is great risk of over-focus in unrepresentative areas and then there’s the fact that people often don’t tell the truth of what they did.
The real problem Sanders has faced so far is that the huge field diluted his voting base. In 2016, Hilary ensured there would be no opponents of note – only Sanders ignored her diktat. As I’ve noted before, it is very possible that some significant number of people who voted for Sanders in 2016, voted in protest against HRC.
His performance in 2020 so far is showing that his base is nowhere near as strong as anyone thought. He has consistently done well with the 18-29, but he’s done correspondingly worse everywhere else except possibly Latinos.
Maybe this trend turns around – but he is performing worse from an absolute voter standpoint than 2016. That’s not promising – unless the people who voted for Warren, Bloomberg, Butti and/or Klobo go against their candidate’s endorsement to vote Sanders.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 1:28 utc | 55

I really hope you tuned in to the town hall I posted because Dr. Cornel West was absolutely brilliant. Wow! Is Dr. West enlightened or what?!
The live chat shot up 1,500 people just while he was speaking. The man is a moral genius! He’s an authentic, masterful speaker. Obama can only dream of being as great as he is. The Nobel Prize went to the wrong person.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 2:11 utc | 57

It’s kind of touching to see so many amerikans believe Biden’s dementia will be an issue when in fact as far as the DNC hacks are concerned it is a bonus, and if they could engineer it, they would make sure the VP prospect is similarly afflicted.
In the unlikely event that Biden beats Trump he will be far from the first senile prez being worked by ‘executive staff’ like a marionette. The world had to suffer two terms of Reagan, who admittedly seemed to hang on to his basic acting skills until quite far into his second term. Reagan could be fed any line & even if he had zero comprehension of its meaning, deliver it in a timbre rich voice.
Biden has always sounded like a whiny little prick, so maybe the DNC will line up Jack Nicholson, he’s a longstanding dem with a mind of puddled mush nowadays, however, as long as there is a teleprompter Jack could deliver meaningfully all day long.
Just cos Hollywood is now beyond Jack it doesn’t mean the whitehouse is.
Bring on the farce – the terrifying thing is that while the rest of the world is alternating between guffaws & horror, ‘the folk of amerika’ will still be seriously intoning how they live in the world’s only democracy.
All the self described ‘critical thinkers’ lapping up this pap as if it were caviar shows that they may as well give us all some entertainment cos nothing is gonna halt the imperial juggernaut from the usual rapes, murders & thefts.

Posted by: A User | Mar 8 2020 2:24 utc | 59

circe – you voting for cornell west now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12t9Bn_sHf0

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2020 2:32 utc | 61

Anybody but Trump? Anybody thinking that please think again. Yes, it is possible to get somebody in the White House more dangerous than Trump. Biden; he in all likelihood still has interests in the Ukraine, and with a another oligarchy in power over there at the moment, what is to say he will not invoke another “regime change”. Thus as to possible war with Russia? Well, remember he is in bed with Clinton and gang; and we all know about Hillary starting seven wars under the Obama administration, and openly pandering to take on Russia in a thermo-nuclear war. So, to the anybody but Trump crowd, do please think again. Although Trump is a serious danger to this planet, things can get worse.

Posted by: Robert Shule | Mar 8 2020 2:46 utc | 63

re James’
joe biden isn’t going to win the 2020 presidency.. you can take that to the bank!”
I’m gonna hold you to that because if there is a crash esp a covid crash, even whiny Joe will piss all over agent orange -you can take that to wherever. An NPC prez just what we always wanted.

Posted by: A user | Mar 8 2020 2:48 utc | 65

debs – please hold me to it, lol… he ain’t gonna win, even if he gets the nomination..

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2020 3:12 utc | 67

What is revealed at Bernie’s Flint, Michigan town hall is the best of what remains of this country’s civic life. It is especially in Cornel West’s speech, at the end, that one can see the moral imprint and the transformation that is possible. I don’t want to nod my head grimly in the presence of that kind of splendor. A person’s soul has to be deadened to want to just write off our future. If you resign to what you see as the fatality of this moment, then surely you have left yourself no way out.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 8 2020 3:19 utc | 69

h #12

As many are suggesting rightly, there is no way Biden could ever debate Trump live on TV. His onset of dementia would become crystal clear to the electorate and that would do even more serious damage to an already tattered party. So, whatever the play is at hand regarding the propping up of Biden has everything to do with who is selected by the establishment to run as his VP. This is where the game at hand is being played out.

In regards to the late steal theory: Well there is always Debbie, so slimy that nothing sticks and all the messy Awan spy/blackmail stuff just slid away and Trump covered for her. I’m still thinking Biden/hillabilly team (I like that descriptor).
Who is the next reactionary possible? Chuck now there is a man’s man. Hasn’t put a step wrong except in his mouth.
Schiff would be a stupid loser but if he has the muscle to push those previous two aside then he could get there. I figure the DNC know how bad he is, but then Biden?
Imagine Warren? I cant but…. it is the DNC.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2020 3:30 utc | 71

Circe @ 80; I have basically the same take on Chris Hedges, but, he is a brilliant writer, and has been everywhere and has a good take on the empire and it’s minions.
In his early days, he put his life on the line many times covering the empire’s wars around the globe.

Posted by: ben | Mar 8 2020 4:15 utc | 73

1. It’s long been a truism for many including myself that barring some wild card, Trump likely will win in 2020. Although a for-real Sanders could beat Trump, we assume the DNC will steal the nomination from him and he will roll over as in 2016. Sanders will shill for the DNC nominee, as he unilaterally, unconditionally promised from the start.
2. The Corona pandemic may become this wild card, and Trump looks incapable of dealing with it even on a demagogic level. This opens up the possibility that even a DNC candidate fake-talking a good game could beat him. The DNC would rather Trump win than Sanders, but would rather their own corporate candidate win over Trump.
3. In that case, are they really going to throw away such an opportunity by nominating someone who’s literally in a state of dementia? That would exceed even my expectations of how stupid the Democrats are.
4. Like I said earlier, they’re true believers in Hillary being the chosen one. Only that could have given such fuel to the Russiagate Derangement, something so counter-factual and stupid that no rational or normally irrational state of mind could have clung to it with such demented tenacity for so long and at such opportunity cost.
5. Therefore, barring some new wild card specific to the Democrat circus, I expect the broken convention will anoint Hillary.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 8 2020 6:12 utc | 75

Circe | Mar 8 2020 3:38 utc | 80
“Ralph Nader gave the election to George W.”
Wrong, Dembot.
1. Gore won the election, then he and his supporters 100% of their own free will handed it over to Bush, merely because a handful of dirtbags wanted to steal it. (That, of course, is proof that Gore and his voters knew deep down it made no difference which became president since both were the same.)
Just like how your Sanders won the nomination in 2016 and then 100% of his own free will handed it over to Hillary, as pre-arranged, and proceeded to shill for her.
2. For the last time, though you Dembots will never get it thru your thick skulls, people’s votes do not belong to you. You have to earn them. If the election were real, there’s no conceivable way Nader or anyone else could hand it to anybody.
Again, the fact that Dembots and other electoral fundamentalists conceive elections in terms of the votes being the “property” of the Democratic Party, or its DNC, or the government, is proof that you view the elections as purely fake circuses.
Of course the elections are fake. That’s a core part of the neoliberal formula. But by your own rhetoric, if it actually were possible to find some real solution within the framework of electoralism, this could happen only by people feeling truly free to vote for anyone they wish, and especially “alternative” candidates.
In the end the best proof that Sanders is a sheepdog is the purely existential, objective fact that he’s touting the Democratic Party as any kind of possible vehicle out of the predicament. This, of course, is impossible.

Posted by: Russ | Mar 8 2020 6:55 utc | 77

@85 Russ
Your thinking is so hopelessly twisted. Do you not understand that to most people on this planet Trump represents an existential threat?
That together with the fact that Bernie believes in a fair process is why he says he’ll support the person with the majority of pledged delegates, because A) Getting rid of Trump is an existential priority! And B) Bernie has no choice but to run with one of the two parties if he wants any chance at Executive power to make changes that give ordinary people power!
No independent has come as far as he has! Give him credit damn you! I’d like to see you get from an unknown activist, to mayor, to the House, to the Senate, to running for President and almost making it and THEN waiting 4 years, still working all that time at a grassroots level with communities and unions and running AGAIN at his age! Who has that kind of patience and commitment? NOT YOU. That’s for sure, therefore, you are in no position to judge!
You are clueless and judgmental; the worst combination!
NO 3RD PARTY WILL EVER HAVE A SLIM CHANCE OF WINNING AN ELECTION UNTIL THE RULES CHANGE AT THE TOP AND THAT’S WHY BERNIE SANDERS MUST WIN.
Nader ran ONLY to make a point at the worst possible time! Even Nader knew he couldn’t win or get beyond 5% FFS! If he thought otherwise; he’s more stupid then he sounds.
But he sure as hell knew the risk involved if he got 5%.
When I think of the millions who died because of the Iraq domino and the damage Bush did?
You’re really infuriating. I’m done with your shet.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 7:55 utc | 79

Circe #86
Of course the DNC will cheat. Likely this is Bernies last run so they can take extraordinary steps knowing / assuming he can’t do this again. Certainly if he gets shafted this time and still sheepdogs for the machine he could never be trusted again in any capacity.
The DNC is desperate to purge the social democrats as they hate their platform and just like the 1% they want it all for themselves. I am certain the DNC will pull the ceiling down just to permanently shut down these progressive voices. Remember the DNC trawls millions to pay the wages of the DNC. They look after themselves fist and run election campaigns second.
Expect duplicitous evil and malign gaming from the DNC. That does not mean all is lost as Bernie could seriously shaft Biden in the next month or so. Time will tell. But he sure better focus on whining instead of sucking up to scabs like Warren.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2020 11:44 utc | 81

89/90
I don’t think Sanders’ campaign is about winning. He has lined up some serious young talent in his campaign plus civil rights groups and he is giving them experience and access to fund raising plus a chance of getting known.
His campaign is about changing the Democratic party.
By the way, the time you could trust videos is over. This here is Joe Biden in Kansas, cut video taken out at 10 minutes’ mark in the
Trumpist version here.
There are other versions looping and slowing it down to make Biden sound senile.
He is giving feel good speeches about the old times. Another version of “Make America Great Again”.
With demographics being what they are this might just work. When you think the old times were good you are old. Human memory works that way. It means you were young then, it does not mean times were good.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 8 2020 12:05 utc | 83

US Senator Kamala Harris Says She Endorses Joe Biden for US President
Now that the situation is controlled, it’s time to put the exotic beasts of postmodernism back to their cages.

Posted by: vk | Mar 8 2020 14:47 utc | 85

Posted by: vk | Mar 8 2020 14:47 utc | 93
Jesse Jackson has just endorsed Sanders. It is a memory game.
Careerists bet on Biden.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 8 2020 15:01 utc | 87

c1ue – thanks for your response regarding ballot counting in California. FWIW, that state’s voting system has all kinds of twists and turns designed into it making it that much more difficult for the average joe to track the results. It’s a perplexing voting system.
Erelis @56 wrote “Donna Brazile wrote about replacing Hillary 2016 with Biden if Hillary was physically unable to continue. See seemed to imply that she would go around the rules. So if Biden gets the nomination, the VP choice may not be the one to get the nod. Or Biden would be replaced before he chose a VP.”
It’s the corporate rules governing the nomination that are worth a query. Like you said, Brazile ‘implied’ she’d work around the rules to insert Biden if Hillary’s health declined further in 2016. Of course, that suggests that like a CEO of a corporation, as the DNC is, the brand must be protected at all costs. It’s what corporate leadership is hired to do.
So fast forward to 2020 and we have two fellas vying for the corporate nomination – one fella who declares that he is not a democrat but is running for the party’s nomination anyway v another fella who has spent his entire adulthood serving the corporate interest of his party – An admitted infiltrator v a senile party loyalist. Yep, that’s a winning ticket…NOT.
What’s a CEO to do to protect the corporate brand? First, you maneuver the infiltrator out of play, which is what we are all bearing witness to today. Infiltrators are not rewarded w/nominations. It’s not how it works. Second, you back the senile candidate b/c he’s been a party loyalist for decades who has some awareness that his candidacy is in fact to be used as a ‘placeholder’ while the decks are cleared for the party nominee(s) the establishment has chosen.
This is where those dem corporate rules come into play. And Brazile’s suggestion she’d work around the ‘rules’ re Hillary in 2016 means one of two things – 1. the rules can be broken w/little blowback and/or 2. the rules committee included language about replacement of a nominee and likely the process for which to remove them.
Btw, Amy Klobuchar suggested she was joining ‘Biden’s ticket’ over the weekend – “Klobuchar ‘ticket’ slip-up at Biden event in Michigan sparks speculation she’ll be his VP pick” – I’d make the headline a hot link but b/c I screwed up above I’m not taking a chance.

Posted by: h | Mar 8 2020 16:38 utc | 89

Bernie Sanders rally Grand Rapids, MI. with Rev. Jesse Jackson live.
https://youtu.be/CV1L3tMNjhI

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 17:09 utc | 91

@Russ #83
Regarding your nCOV theory:
If we’re talking realpolitik – the reality is the nCOV isn’t going to be a factor before November 2020. The number of infections will increase, but it won’t get that bad before spring rolls in and warm weather moderates the outcome.
So I wouldn’t expect nCOV pandemic to be an issue.
Economically, it actually gives Trump a perfectly legitimate excuse: fear! panic! China!
b’s take on the “red graph” is legit, but the start time is more likely after the election. I also have a lot of questions over whether any US response could be on par with China/Singapore.
Even disregarding the fundamental problems with US health care in general, the whole federal/state/private sector dichotomies are a real problem. The primary linkages are federal funds, but the federal government doesn’t have the information nor the people on the ground to even conduct basic connectivity research and quarantines above a fairly small number of investigative targets.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 18:33 utc | 93

California vote tracking:
While the incoming mail ballots still are favoring Sanders, the margin is lower than the votes already counted.
The delta today vs. the previous post (#30)
Sanders: 1330700 (vs. 1246498) = +84202
Biden: 1043145 (vs. 974877) = +68268
Ratio from #30: 1.2786
Ratio of delta from #30: 1.2334 – so Biden is making up a little ground.
Other items of note: NYT commentary on upcoming Michigan primary
NYT source

It is hard to say why Mr. Sanders has faltered among these voters, given the consistency of his message and his improved name recognition. One possibility is that many of his 2016 supporters were casting protest votes against Hillary Clinton. Another possibility is that many former supporters of Mr. Sanders ultimately backed the president and are now lost to the Democrats.
Whatever the cause, Mr. Sanders has often made up for losses in white, working-class areas this year with gains among Latino voters and white voters who live in left-liberal areas. In a sense, he has traded strength in states like Maine and Minnesota for strength in California. This is a bad trade in Michigan, where Latino voters make up only a sliver of the Democratic electorate. It may be an even worse trade in Michigan than it was in Minnesota or Maine, since there are relatively few overwhelmingly Democratic left-liberal enclaves akin to Minneapolis or Portland, Maine. Only Ann Arbor and Lansing fall into a similar category.

Or in other words, Sanders’ platform may have shot its wad in California – alienated the Midwest in favor of the ultra-liberals.
Time will tell.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2020 18:53 utc | 95

Let me tell you just how phony Biden’s campaign is compared to Bernie Sanders. When you go to Bog4President.org on Biden’s section, you have to go through pages and pages of elite corporatist establishment political endorsements to get to a small section on Biden’s Events! And Biden himself holds ONLY one event per day in one state where he speaks 1/3 of the time Bernie Sanders speaks and delivers an INCOHERENT MESSAGE to a few hundred attendees! Yesterday in Missouri he had his largest crowd yet, only a few thousand, maybe 3,000 and he spoke for 7 MINUTES.
In stark contrast, you find Bernie’s weekly endorsements on the same page as his events. Bernie holds 2 to 3 events in one day sometimes in 2 different states. Check especially before Super Tuesday. It was a gruelling schedule!
Yesterday Bernie was in Chicago Il, spoke to 15,000 people and then held a large town hall for thousands in FLINT Michigan. Today Bernie did interviews on 4 networks, held a rally already in Grand Rapids and will be at another rally tonight in Ann Arbor with AOC! These are the primaries and his crowds already range from 8,000 to 17,000! Bernie is a dynamic beast next to Biden.
AND JOE BIDEN IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN FOR INTERVIEWS OR IN MICHIGAN SO FAR. HE’LL BE AT ONE EVENT ONLY IN MICHIGAN TODAY. JOE BIDEN ISN’T EVEN GOING TO FLINT, MI., THE POOREST MOST DEVASTATED CITY IN MICHIGAN, BECAUSE HE DOESN’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE POOR!
JOE BIDEN CARES SQUAT ABOUT MICHIGAN. His support for trade deals decimated the Rust Belt, that’s only one reason he’s hardly showing his face in Michigan! Amy Klobuchar had to step in to hold a couple of very small events for him.
Joe Biden is only a figurehead, propped up by the elites, all those pages of filler endorsements are meant to FOOL EVERYONE and keep people from discerning he’s a hot mess and witnessing the utter weakness of his candidacy.
Joe Biden doesn’t have the stamina or coherence to run a successful campaign especially in the general election! His handlers are hiding him from sight as much as possible for that reason.
TRUMP WILL BEAT JOE BIDEN’S ASS. Joe Biden is an incoherent mess without a clear policy platform beholden to the rich and party elites. He is unfit to be the Nominee.
A vote for Joe Biden will be A VOTE FOR TRUMP.
God help us all!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 19:03 utc | 97

Today Jesse Jackson endorsed Bernie Sanders.
The Jackson video in this tweet is must see. I’ve been to Trump sites to see what they’re up to and if people especially young people under 29, and black people (most young people and Latinos get what’s at stake, that’s why they’re backing the only winner Bernie); if these two groups don’t seriously heed the advice in this video, Incoherent Joe will be crowned the Nominee, and Trump is going to win, cause people in his twittersphere are BADASS CRAZY AND REVVING ENGINES ALREADY.
Margin of despair
It’s not the margin of despair; it’s the margin of complacency, apathy and cynicism.
Who wants and needs it more and is willing to fight the hardest no matter what comes; taking nothing ever for granted will win the Nomination and the General. That passion is with Bernie and everyone must follow his lead to a fault to win the whole damn thing!
Elizabeth Warren was on SNL joking about her holding position at this time WHEN EVERYTHING IS AT STAKE.
This is a DO or die moment for the Progressive Movement.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2020 20:15 utc | 99