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March 03, 2020

2020 Presidential Election Thread 02

This thread is exclusively for comments on the 2020 presidential election.

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@Circe

1. Stop screaming.
2. Do not use non-election threads for your election stuff.

Posted by: b | Mar 3 2020 15:01 utc | 1

Quote of the Day
or
Quote of the Millennia?

Hillary Clinton regarding the primaries:

“Let’s follow the rules”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485646-hillary-clinton-responds-to-sanders-on-delegates-lets-follow-the-rules

Posted by: librul | Mar 3 2020 15:06 utc | 2

Just want to thank Circe for not using the all caps in long strings lately - much appreciated! Also want to let Circe know I rang my relatives in Texas and convinced them with rational discussion to vote today for Bernie Sanders without fail. None of us, however, will follow his instructions to vote for the other dem if Sanders is not the nominee.

On a different political note, I miss Joe Bageant more than words can say. Bill Blum, too.

Posted by: Phryne's frock | Mar 3 2020 15:11 utc | 3

Time for hundreds of millions of dollars to show how much they’re worth. “Wallet will get it done.”

Posted by: Fly | Mar 3 2020 15:23 utc | 4

An analysis of the state of the primary as of 2 days ago:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/south-carolina-primary-what-does-mean/5705249

Of course, unforeseen events can happen, for good or bad.
I personally canvassed for Bernie in my mixed-income town in MA. Results mirrored the polls. Nearly all those under 35 intended to vote Bernie. Many older voters were on the fence, concerned about "electability". Held a sign outside the polls this morning with another Bernie supporter. No supporters of other candidates in sight.

Posted by: Tiger Lily | Mar 3 2020 15:39 utc | 5

Is there any other nation state that has 50 separate official elections, mostly run and paid for by the public, just so a private club masquerading as a political party can select its leader? To the rest of the world, this must look completely insane, but few people anywhere even seem to notice how ridiculous it all looks.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Mar 3 2020 15:49 utc | 6

" I miss Joe Bageant more than words can say. Bill Blum, too." Phryne's frock@3
Both missed, Joe Bageant is irreplaceable. It makes me laugh just to think what he would have said about Biden today. How he would have enjoyed the panic that has overtaken the corrupt pseudo democrats.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 3 2020 15:50 utc | 7

Sadly I reckon Bernie Saunders will be ousted by the powers that don’t want him to be successful in the bordello that is the Washington politik.
I find it amusing he’s labeled as a Socialist. He’s a champagne socialist at best.
I fall about laughing when he claims he’s going to tell Putin anything at all.
Should the miracle of U.S. democracy pass and he’s elected POTUS, meeting Vladimir Vladimirovich will be a rather large culture shock methinks.
Thanks for the laughs, those passed and if elected, those to come, Bernie.

Posted by: Beibdnn | Mar 3 2020 15:50 utc | 8

Very smart establishment tactic. A combo of long predicted Biden win in South Carolina with resignation of Klob and Butti and endorsement may give Biden plurality in some states. Strategy of picking a senile champion with "stellar" Obama credentials and a mine of paydirt for Republican to excavate is dubious. But the youngsters, starting from Beto and ending with Klob/Butti pair of mixed twins proved to be so-so campaigners at their best. BTW, Steyer dropped after spending 200 M+ with nary a comment. The same may happen to Little Mike. Direct reign of billionaires in USA seems to be a failing experiment (assuming that Little Mike is correct when he says that Donald "I will not show tax return to anyone" Trump is a fake billionaire), or a work still in progress.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 3 2020 15:55 utc | 9

b

1. Okay, okay, screaming wasn't my point.
So I'll whisper then. Excuse me for trying to wake somebody when they're sleeping through a once in a lifetime opportunity.

2. Great, thank u! I'm glad you got my point. I'm glad we're out of the 2nd gallery where you need the opera glasses to see, and in the orchestra seats now. Too bad though that all my great comments on Warren's betrayal of the progressive movement were the price to pay for these seats.

So before you could snatch it too, I'm transferring my last comment here. The previous one was intended just for you anyway so no loss there, right? 😇

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Now don't all gang up at once, cause of this controversial theory I'm about to express.

Could it be that Trump is slow on tackling COVID-19 because he's using it as a tool for voter suppression, seeing as it's mostly arising in Western States where the electorate is mostly Democratic and immigrant-friendly? Just a thought!

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Okay this one's a doozie! Everyone knows Judge Judy is supporting Mike Bloomberg right? So today on MSNBC she made a couple of remarkable statements.

The first is that she believes Trump will defeat Biden. And that he's not been fully vetted and was treated by Democrats with kid gloves, and so Biden's just a fantasy cause Trump will shred him. No news there...I could have told her that!

But here's the kicker: She said (and I can't believe she said it this way, that BERNIE'S A REALLY NICE GUY...tell me something I don't know, Judge! Now for the outrage of the Century: She said: So why risk it on a fantasy or SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST A REALLY NICE GUY?

WHUT? Because he IS a nice guy! How rare is that in politics?

Of course he's worth the risk, everyone knows he's the genuine deal and the genuine deal, Bernie Sanders, is the only one that can and will defeat Trump. Period close.

(I'd make a better judge.)

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2020 16:00 utc | 10

What is there to comment on? The majority right in the DNC will be pushing Biden, the left of right under Sanders will be cheated out of the nomination and Trump will rule another 4 years.
That there is a "left" in the Democrat Party is an illusion, what counts for the left there would be the equivalent of the CDU in Germany under Merkel.

Posted by: peter | Mar 3 2020 16:09 utc | 11

@Trailer

Yes. I can only imagine that people in the US people cope with this insanity because of long standing myths and traditions that they seem to be very passionate about (which can also be a very good thing, I believe).

I think we should always be careful in commenting on what happens in other countries (it would certainly make the world easier to come together and manage as a whole). But it always boggles me how the US, a country that never held a direct election for its highest office, sees itself fit to destroy entire countries and use nuclear weapons in the name of "democracy" and "freedom".

I live in Brazil. I regret to say we are a simple, very poor and uneducated people. But we dont have electoral districts, electoral colleges, jerrymandering and all of that nonsense. We have many parties, and it is their job to articulate coalitions in the local as in the national stage. It's far from what the word democracy implies (as a goal or a dream), but it was working fairly well until a US-backed judiciary-media circus illegaly removed and elected president and forbade the most popular candidate in the last election, so now we are gradualy travelling the road to a failed stated.

Anyways... I do wish all the light and the hope in the world to the american electorate today. We sure need it everywhere in the globe.

Posted by: Dr. Pork | Mar 3 2020 16:21 utc | 12

I got 10 cents on Bernie beating Biden by 8% or more, by vote count across all states voting today. (36-28 or thereabouts).
5 cents on Warren above the 15% threshold in most states / cong. districts.
5 cents on Bloomberg below the 15% threshold in most states / cong. districts.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 3 2020 16:31 utc | 13

Sorry I forgot to modify caps before transferring my previous post here. But you have to admit Bernie Sanders is a really nice guy who just wants to do good by the world, and is that passionate about justice. It's too bad we have to billboard the message so people aren't distracted by all the fear-mongering propaganda, and even cynical racist bullshet. And it's too bad there's so much nefarious subterfuge going on that you, correction, I just want to scream and rage at everything...like the guy in Network, what's his name, Beale? Never mind, just imagine I'm him and Bernie who peole think looks too angry sometimes is also him.

Too many people have been suffering in agony and misery for too long not to scream, and be angry, justifiably, righteously screaming: I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more! Scream G-damnit! SCREAM. Today is Super Tuesday...scream all the way to the polls, damnit!

https://youtu.be/licwOgzBqo0

Are you the guy who's closing the window and cynically shaking his head at the end of the scene?

I understand about the CAPS, but understand me and this moment and how critical it is and how justified I am to have screamed it out for as long as I could.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2020 16:32 utc | 14

Here on the edge of a Minnesota city, in what could be described as Hillary/Donald territory, turnout is light. However, an n=1 is not a good sample size. That being said, I wonder if Kolbocop shot Biden in the foot, as the Dena have been using female identity politics for motivation. The other report is that she realized she was going to lose her home state. My thought is that she was following DNC dictates. Biden, however, is known not to be a friend of women.

Part of me says, " Go Bernie", while the more rational side says this:


https://michael-hudson.com/2020/02/in-a-struggle-between-oligarchy-and-democracy-something-must-give/

Posted by: Michael | Mar 3 2020 17:08 utc | 15

Vote for Nobody for POTUS 2020!
http://nobodyforpresident.org/index2020.html

Vote early, vote often for Nobody for all orifices, Federal, State, and Local!!

Blessings,

Alan

Posted by: Alan Donelson | Mar 3 2020 17:10 utc | 16

I am stunned that Biden is still in the race - he has been uninspiring, at best.
Makes me wonder who they really plan to give it to.

It would be nice to see Bernie take it.
But then Hillary will send one of here lackeys to Corona him.

Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2020 17:17 utc | 17

Walls are closing in on Joe Biden - and Western media doesn't report this:
This has happened: Because of Joe Biden's quid-pro-quo demand to former Ukrainian president Poroshenko ('no billions of Dollars from the US, if Shokin was not fired!') Ukrainian state prosecutor and "IG" Shokin was then fired.
But some months ago there had now also been a poison-attack on Shokin. And now Shokin goes after Joe Biden - and he must, if he wants to survive!: See "JOE BIDEN, UKRAINE AND VIKTOR SHOKIN MERCURY POISONING" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QhT5eTdxo

Posted by: Joerg | Mar 3 2020 17:25 utc | 18

The key is if Bernie will exceed his 2016 performance *and* achieve a majority of delegates. If not, brokered convention = DNCC pick for Democrat candidate for President = Trump 2024.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2020 17:34 utc | 19

@Posted by: Phryne's frock | Mar 3 2020 15:11 utc | 3

On a different political note, I miss Joe Bageant more than words can say.

That makes two of us, brother! Incidentally, if there's anyone still here who's not familiar with Bageant, visit his archive at CounterPunch.

@Posted by: Dr. Pork | Mar 3 2020 16:21 utc | 12

I live in Brazil. I regret to say we are a simple, very poor and uneducated people. But we dont have electoral districts, electoral colleges, jerrymandering and all of that nonsense. We have many parties, and it is their job to articulate coalitions in the local as in the national stage. It's far from what the word democracy implies (as a goal or a dream), but it was working fairly well until a US-backed judiciary-media circus illegaly removed and elected president and forbade the most popular candidate in the last election, so now we are gradualy travelling the road to a failed stated.

Well, if your political system cannot guard itself against foreign intrusion and manipulation, I would personally consider that to be a serious--perhaps fatal--flaw.

Furthermore, as an American, I can tell that up until a few short generations ago, our system worked well enough, too, despite it's shortcomings. I used to believe that our current problems were owing to a lack of parliamentary democracy (i.e., the fact that we can only have two parties), but seeing that the exact same thing that happened to us has now happened to all of Europe as well, I no longer believe that arcane voting procedures are the real cause of our problems.

It seems that only a handful of countries in the world have successfully been able to resist being taken over by the oligarchy that now runs the West, and few of them are all that democratic: Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea, Cuba. (Then again, our own countries aren't in any real sense 'democratic' either, so I guess that shouldn't be a factor in my analysis.)

And before you get upset with me, please realize that I, too, was sympathetic to Lula.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Mar 3 2020 17:53 utc | 20

@3 Phryne's frockJoe Bageant more than words can say. Bill Blum, too. We have Caitlin Johnstone, Aaron Mate, Scott Horton! A lot of great people out there.

Posted by: goldhoarder | Mar 3 2020 17:55 utc | 21

I am gobsmacked by the cowardly withdrawal of Klobochar and Buttigieg on the eve of Super Tuesday, something unprecedented. It is so cynical, it proves how mercenary they really are, and that their campaigns were shams. It also shows who is totally on the dog chain to the DNC. Establishment lackeys!

Posted by: Roy G | Mar 3 2020 18:00 utc | 22

People are asking "Why is Tulsi Gabbard Still In The Race?" There are a few reasons, all good ones, and they are explained in this new article from Pam Ho Q: Why is Tulsi Gabbard Still In The Race? A: To Bring The Ruckus!

Posted by: Kali | Mar 3 2020 18:01 utc | 23

Last election I voted for American Pharoah. I felt that a horse would do a better job that’s Hillary and Trump, and I still feel that way and will vote for American Pharoah again this cycle. But if Trump dumps Sus-Pence and takes Haley as VP, I’m voting for the other guy.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Mar 3 2020 18:01 utc | 24

The thing to watch today will be the vote stealing by the Democrat oligarchy. They are the world champions at every sort of electoral malfeasance. Remember in 2016 how Bernie almost won New York until Brooklyn, his hometown, was counted and more than 20,000 voters disappeared? Then there was California where millions of votes went uncounted and Hillary was called the winner.


The Democrats are not really a political party in the sense that europeans understand the term, more like an agglomeration of electoral machines, controlled by politicians owned by vested interests, making up the rules as they go along.

With both Biden and Warren desperate for anything that can be portrayed as momentum expect the unexpected: repeats of the sort of nonsense we saw in Iowa and local precincts in which 110% of the electorate give unanimous support to the candidate most likely to take away their social security and wave 'bye-bye' as they die untreated of diseases. Or malnutrition.
A
nd the cherry on top of the electoral sundae in today's primaries will be the near unanimity with which the most glaring irregularities are ignored by the media, and anyone suggesting that 2+2= anything as predictable as 4 will be called a conspiracy theorist, working for Putin and the KGB.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 3 2020 18:04 utc | 25

My sincere wish is for americans to understand what the word Socialism really defines. I am aghast at the fact that many "educated" people here in america have absolutely no idea (done by design:mission accomplished) what the word means, but will yell about the fact that we can't have it here in america, when we absolutely have it here in the major functions of american society. Banks bailed out: socialism, MIC: socialism, large sports venues for teams: socialism, etc. Your house foreclosed upon by shady bank: naked capitalism, .0001% paid on interest savings: naked capitalism, poor wages: naked capitalism, dangerous workplace: naked capitalism, etc.
I say this to say that Bernie is not a socialist and I know that I am not saying anything new. The Joker said: "This town needs an enema!!", and it still does. Like the last election, I put my support behind large meteor, the one and only candidate that can help the human race.

Share it with your friends who use the word incorrectly:
Socialism noun

so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Posted by: Tonymike | Mar 3 2020 18:08 utc | 26

I took a walk to my local precinct in Texas, this morning, and voted for Bernie Sanders. The support thrown in for Biden by candidates Buttigieg and Klobuchar, as they withdrew from their presidential race over the weekend, makes their runs for president look very superficial and weak.

Today, Ryan Grim, D.C. bureau chief for The Intercept (interviewed on Democracy Now) correctly observes that the more educated voters that supported those two dropout candidates, were originally drawn to them after careful consideration that Biden was absolutely not up to the task of beating Trump in the General Election. And when Buttigieg and Klobuchar now tell them how wonderful Joe is, they are not so likely to be convinced.

I do feel more hopeful and am willing to believe as the reporter does, that the timing of these Biden endorsements is politically inept and feeds into Bernie's momentum. We will see.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 3 2020 18:13 utc | 27

What's the mystery? Lock Assange in solitary for months and gee golly, suddenly no one to expose how SCarolina was fixed for Joe Biden. Just like Debbie Wasserman screwed Bernie in 2016. Media "explains" it was the "black vote." You bet. Sure Joe got 51pc. I guess so.

Posted by: MentalcaseToday | Mar 3 2020 18:14 utc | 28

I've been watching the latest episodes of Homeland. The real life peace talks with the Taliban are portrayed almost in real time with the fictional events as portrayed in Homeland.The events are eerily similar. It's hard to discern if Homeland is upstream of real life or vice versa or if they're hand in glove with each other. The reason I bring this up is because another situation portrayed in Homeland is of the President choosing for the first time in history, his Vice President from the opposing party.

Posted by: Wondering | Mar 3 2020 18:18 utc | 29

@ Circe Scream G-damnit! SCREAM. Today is Super Tuesday...scream all the way to the polls, damnit! I sympathize but I don't think this is very useful. Really what has happened is power has been consolidated in the hands of the few for a very long time. They killed JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X, probably just tried to kill Shokin as mentioned above... and many others like Solemani, Arafat, Hussein, Gadaffi, etc. Politics is just a sideshow they put on to justify their rule and give themselves legitimacy. The idea that Bernie Sanders is going to take power away from them is ridiculous. It would be great if he won. It helps delegitimize their rule. Put they aren't going to let an election stop them. They are our rulers. They have spent decades consolidating power. They aren't going to give it up over a stupid election. Look at what they have done to Assange and Manning. For uncovering and reporting US crimes against humanity. The USA is evil. Probably the greatest evil and threat to humanity the world has ever known. This is really what is has come to. The only people capable of stopping it are Russians and Chinese. Nobody else has the power to stop what this country has become.

Posted by: goldhoarder | Mar 3 2020 18:19 utc | 30

@Seamus Padraig, please don't worry, of course I won't be upset. I am the one here trying to be polite when talking about a foreign country's election. On top of that, I am going counter to a strong argument that existed in the liberal left here, some years ago, that blames our political system for our predicament. But in the end it wasn't the party or the election system that failed, but the corruption in the judiciary system, now aligned with the armed forces to really go to town with public money while the rest of the country collapses. Nevertheless, I just wanted to corroborate on @TrailerTrash's comment and show that, you know, the rest of the world also has some experience in running elections, and perhaps these systems can provide interesting examples for youin the US. For example, here we have elections always on a sunday, so that it is easier for all to participate. Either way, I am still hoping for the best for you in the 2020 cycle.

Posted by: Dr. Pork | Mar 3 2020 18:21 utc | 31

Joe Bageant is irreplaceable
I agree, he was on my mind recently.
Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War is more relevant now than ever.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Mar 3 2020 18:21 utc | 32

I had intended on voting for Tulsi but after yesterday’s blatant attempt by the DNC, i voted for Sanders. Bernie is not perfect especially on foreign policy but he is a lot better than Biden. The democrats are icky, corrupt, treasonous.

Posted by: Alaric | Mar 3 2020 18:48 utc | 33

Goldhoarder @ 30
I’d just like to endorse every single line of your @30
And would add. ‘We’re not waving but drowning’
We need to consider the term ‘appropriate reaction’ to silence a victem is inappropriate!
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With coronavirus spreading like a wild fire, I fail to see how these elections can be carried out.
Are we in denial about this deadly disease ?
This is how the elite will finally gain an overt dictatorship.
There will be no presidential election.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 3 2020 18:48 utc | 34

On the "Syria - Another Short Note On The Recent Developments" post, Walter (Mar 3 2020 14:43 utc | 134) referenced a 1952 Soviet poster, "Dean Acheson as Wolf Mask". FWIW, I think a more accurate title would be "Wolf with Dean Acheson Mask".

Be that as it may, while checking out that poster I discovered another poster: Candidate of the Democratic Party, Candidate of the Republican Party.

Although the 2020 pro-wrestling electoral farce is presently All Democrats All the Time, I think this visual representation of the fraudulent and corrupt US duopoly is relevant to this thread.

Posted by: Ort | Mar 3 2020 18:54 utc | 35

This election, just as all the elections that have come before it are a macabre pantomime designed to protect the imperial forces who rule Western civilization.

The real power is a syndicate of oligarchs which operates as a single unit and directs US foreign and domestic policy.

Just a quick observation of the historical record: The USA has killed many people EVERY SINGLE DAY from August 6, 1945 until this day with plenty of momentum to carry on for decades.

I often wonder how many innocent people the US slaughters just during the inaugural address of a new president.

I swear on this bible that I will continue to slaughter innocent people.

Posted by: Babyl-on | Mar 3 2020 19:05 utc | 36

Copeland 27

"The support thrown in for Biden by candidates Buttigieg and Klobuchar, as they withdrew from their presidential race over the weekend, makes their runs for president look very superficial and weak. "

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Yeah, and also reaks of a backroom deal/collusion/planning among "moderate" Democratic candidates. If not overtly, then covertly. LIke, everyone knows the goal and the means to the end. However, I bet that funders of Klob and Butt have had plenty of conversations with Dem operatives and insiders to work out the strategy to sideline Sanders on Super Tuesday (call it 4S).

But, as Trailer Trash points out, the travesty that is this process---paid for by the public purse, no less, and monitored by goodhearted Americans such as members of the League of Women Voters---becomes more glaring by the day.

Posted by: Really?? | Mar 3 2020 19:12 utc | 37

Roy G @22:

I am gobsmacked by the cowardly withdrawal of Klobochar and Buttigieg on the eve of Super Tuesday ... their campaigns were shams.

Yes, of course they were. LOL.

As I explained months ago:

Deep-State has chosen: Biden-Tulsi 2020

Just waiting for 'the other shoe to drop' (Sander's support for Tulsi as VP to "unite the Party").

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 3 2020 19:15 utc | 38

@Tonymike #26
You said:

Banks bailed out: socialism, MIC: socialism, large sports venues for teams: socialism

Maybe you're not American, but in America - all the banks, sports venues and MIC are private sector. In other words, not owned or administered collectively or even by the government.
Therefore they're not socialist under any of the 4 definitions you listed.
Instead, they're paid for collectively. Taxation without representation. Socialism for the few. etc.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2020 19:27 utc | 39

"All politicians should serve two terms. One in office and one in prison." Some old white guy.

Posted by: Shadow | Mar 3 2020 19:39 utc | 41

b.. thanks for putting up this particular thread with a focus on the 2020 gong show for the war party... you've essentially given circe her own little play room so she doesn't have to make a big mess in the other rooms! that's positive!

@25 bevin... i note you are as cynical as some of the rest of us here..

@35 ort.. that is how i see it.. one party - the war party.. doesn't matter which party wins..

Posted by: james | Mar 3 2020 19:41 utc | 42

Trump made 40 minutes telephone conversation with Taliban deputy Mullah baradar.

The President of the United States Trump  held a phone conversation with the Political Deputy of the Islamic Emirate, the respected Mullah Baradar Akhund. Details later.

Posted by: arata | Mar 3 2020 19:58 utc | 43

Oz's SBS Dateline program broadcast an Iowa SNAFU redux last night. The stated objective of Dateline's Iowa visit was to "Ask why this sleepy state is given so much political power, and whether it represents wider America?"

The Dems had better hope Iowa doesn't 'represent wider America' because a majority of the ppl at the caucus whom Dateline queried about their voting intentions said they'll vote for Trump "because he's not a politician."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 3 2020 20:23 utc | 44

I just voted in California, lots of "new tech", with touchscreens. Quite buggy. Be sure to wash your hands too. /sarc

Took about an hour and a half starting at 10:00 AM to get in, about 10-15 to get through the voting process. Bazillions of people standing in line, half the voting booths empty. The big rollout. I predict a big mess tonight, lots of mistakes, lots of voters who give up and no "verified" results any time soon ...

And all those touchscreens will be junk in five years. $$$

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 3 2020 20:31 utc | 45

Some on the ground data:
I've gotten now 2 text messages - unsolicited - from Bernie Sanders supporting saying I should go out and vote.
Given that they not only didn't have my permission to contact me but that I'm not a registered Democrat (or Republican), but also referred to the wrong person (i.e. not me) in the header - this looks like cynical database use rather than anything else.
Especially since I'm not in the Bernie profile - if it is database use, it is incompetent database use.
And note I've had my phone number for literally 22 years, so it isn't like this is a case of mistaken identity.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2020 20:32 utc | 46

These Democrat voters are dupes. Hopefully a true bill Marxist party will emerge from the ruins of the Democrat carcass.

Posted by: SheperdOfire | Mar 3 2020 20:38 utc | 47

The best voter sentiment to be wished for belongs to Republicans, in general. In particular it is Trump right now. The Democrats are wishing too hard. Pain ensues. What else is there to do but take the wise action of communal relations with your neighbors as they ride away with Trump.

Posted by: SheperdOfire | Mar 3 2020 20:50 utc | 48

Did any of them potential Biden voters ever think of why Trump got into power in the first place?
It was because of Hillary and her crime syndicate; of which Biden is a part.
In all likelihood the same thing is going to happen should Biden become the democratic party candidate.
A lot of people will vote for a real estate flim flam man before electing a crime gang as serious as the Hillary-Biden gang.
Sort of like crips versus the bloods; I think I'll take the crips......
Check of www.lescrises.fr for more on Biden in the Ukraine; how he not only got rid of the Ukraine attorney general investigating Burisma corruption, but went on to replace him with a person who was in jail serving time for corruption (yes Biden got him out of jail to serve as the Ukraine lead procecuter.)

Posted by: Robert Shule | Mar 3 2020 20:55 utc | 49

We see angry comrades. This is not a choice but our collective will. No, no, no! Stop this villainry, this is pure mind control at play. For my part, I shall await a better devil.

Posted by: SheperdOfire | Mar 3 2020 21:01 utc | 50

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 3 2020 20:31 utc | 45

I voted yesterday. drop mail-in vote in City Hall. Party preference Green party, should had changed to Democratic and vote for Tulsi Gabbard.

Lesson learn never never trust any political parties especial the freaking Democratic or Republican My mind has not change - Americans love to kills regardless which political parties.

RT or Sputnik reported - CA Secretary of State Alex Padilla is a diehard Democrat. In my city about 82% Hispanic and they are diehard Hillary Clinton supporters and everything FREE.

I will not lie, my banker a Hispanic and proud his mother is illegal and there is nothing anyone can do about it!!

Posted by: JC | Mar 3 2020 21:01 utc | 51

For everyone puzzling over Warren's actions and intentions, this should help -- a lot.

Woke Wonk Elizabeth Warren’s Foreign Policy Team is Stacked With Pro-War Swamp Creatures
Alexander Rubinstein and Max Blumenthal – 2-26-20

"With her new list of foreign policy advisors, Warren unveiled a cast of pro-war think tankers, Cold Warriors and corporate careerists united in support of the Beltway consensus. So much for 'big, structural change'.”

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/26/elizabeth-warren-foreign-policy-team-pro-war-regime-change/


Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 3 2020 21:09 utc | 52

Okay, I'm loving this reply to Elizabeth Warren!

Lizzie's Alter-ego

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@42 james aka the MOA which way is the thread popular opinion blowing today?, weathervane is jealous 'cause I have moxie, sass and a mind of my own ergo scored this front-line platform for this berning topic, and he's just doing what he does best: echos from a mechanical crow. So sad.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2020 21:30 utc | 53

Ian56:

Creepy Joe Biden wants to get elected so he can feel up the interns, inappropriately touch more women and smell their daughters' hair.

Who the hell is voting for this pervert?

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Posted by: Mao | Mar 3 2020 21:43 utc | 54

Steve Guest:

This is a direct quote from Joe Biden:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created by the you know, you know the thing."

[VIDEO]

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1234579299652554753

Posted by: Mao | Mar 3 2020 21:53 utc | 55

Ian56:

Joe Biden is a crook and a con man.

He has been lying his whole life.

Claimed in his 1988 Campaign to have got 3 degrees at college and finished in top half of his class.

Actually only got 1 degree & finished 76th out of 85 in his class.

[VIDEO]

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1234914227963518977

Posted by: Mao | Mar 3 2020 22:01 utc | 56

Yet another circus. The proles get to scream and holler, and when all is done, the oligarchy gets the policies it wants, the public be damned. Our sham 'democracy' is a con to privatize power and socialize responsibility.

Although it is shocking to see such a disgusting piece of human garbage like Joe Biden get substantial numbers of people to vote for him. Biden has never missed a chance to stab the working class in the back in service to his wealthy patrons. The issue is not (for me) his creepiness (I wouldn't much mind if he was on my side), nor even his Alzheimer's, but his established track record of betrayal and corruption. From wiping out the ability of regular folks to declare bankruptcy (something supported by our founding fathers who were NOT socialists), to shipping our industrial base to communist China (which in less enlightened days would have been termed treason), to spending tens of trillions of dollars bailing out and subsiding the big banks (that's not a misprint), to supporting "surprise medical billing," to opening the borders to massive third-world immigration so that wages can be driven down and reset and profits up (As 2015 Bernie Sanders pointed out), Backstabbing Joe Biden is neoliberal scum pure and simple. It's astonishing that so many people will just blindly accept what they are told, that Biden is. "moderate." Biden is so far to the right, he makes Nixon look like Trotsky. Heck, he makes Calvin Coolidge look like Trotsky.

Posted by: TG | Mar 3 2020 22:02 utc | 57

NBC News:

JUST IN: State Dept., DOJ, FBI and others issue joint statement ahead of #SuperTuesday:

Americans "must remain aware that foreign actors continue to try to influence public sentiment and shape voter perceptions."

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Posted by: Mao | Mar 3 2020 22:20 utc | 58

Walter voted and they use paper ballots here, four nice ladies at the parish hall down the way...nobody but the five of us. No wait. No line. Parked by the door. No funny business, jokes about the propaganda...I asked if there we any Russians around and they all laughed at the joke... Nice quiet beach community...evidently the propaganda campaign is seen as a lie - as it's become a joke. Gee, and after all that work, shucks.

Yeah, Bernie.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 3 2020 22:22 utc | 59

Kali #23

People are asking "Why is Tulsi Gabbard Still In The Race?" There are a few reasons, all good ones, and they are explained in this new article from Pam Ho Q: Why is Tulsi Gabbard Still In The Race? A: To Bring The Ruckus!

Thank you... I always enjoy a shout out for TULSI GABBARD and who better than Pam Ho. That was a mighty good read and great videos linked in.

Go Tulsi Go.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 3 2020 22:32 utc | 60

Bemildred #45


Took about an hour and a half starting at 10:00 AM to get in, about 10-15 to get through the voting process. Bazillions of people standing in line,

In my share of the planet there is virtually no messing with the enrolment, voting starts two weeks before the big day, lots of polling places all over the place, if I do go on the big day I maybe have to wait 15 minutes in a queue and process short and sweet.

All paper ballots, HAND COUNTED, know the results by midnight except for really close seats.

Open the pod bay doors Hal, its time to turn off the machine.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 3 2020 22:46 utc | 61

A quick look at the latest RCP poll results and what they project for a 5 Democrat primaries: Real Clear Politics poll source

California: Sanders 35 vs. Biden 23, Warren 16, Bloomberg 15
Texas: Sanders 29.5 vs. Biden 28, Bloomberg 18, Warren 14.5
North Carolina: Biden 36.7 vs. Sanders 23.3, Bloomberg 14.3, Warren 10.7
Virginia: Biden 42 vs. Sanders 24.5, Warren 15, Bloomberg 14
Maine: Sanders 38.5 vs. Biden 24.5, Warren 18, Bloomberg 14

These 5 states represent 1035 of the total 1357 delegates for Super Tuesday, broken down as:
California: 416, 79
Texas: 228, 34
North Carolina: 110, 12
Virginia: 99, 25
Maine: 24, 8
The second number are the PLEO delegates - these are DNC operatives and Senate and/or House of Representative delegates. I don't think they vote according to the representation, but I'll leave them out.

If we take the poll results and multiply straight across to the first column delegate numbers above, here are the totals:
Sanders: 272
Biden: 248
Warren: 131
Bloomberg: 136
(with 158 PLEO not counted).
This hardly looks like a crushing Sanders victory.
The breakdown in Sanders/Biden/Warren/Bloomberg order:
California: 146/96/67/62
Texas: 67/64/33/41
North Carolina: 26/40/12/16
Virginia: 24/42/15/14
Maine: 9/6/4/3

The likelihood of a brokered convention from the above is 100%.
Even without a brokered convention - a Warren or Bloomberg throw-in with Biden means Biden likely out-delegates Sanders.

If the PLEOs go mostly Biden, that also means Biden wins.

A look at Bernie's performance from these same primaries from 2016 (vs. 2020 in parentheses):
California: 221 (146)
Texas: 75 (67)
North Carolina: 47,2 (26)
Virginia: 33 (24)
Maine: 17,1 (9)

As you can see, if the RCP polls hold true, then Sanders will have done worse in every single one of these 5 states vs. 2016 in absolute delegate count.

The dilution of the field works.

I've noted this before - and unless Sanders blows out multiples of these races, the DNCC is going to have Biden as its candidate just as HRC was the DNCC candidate in 2016.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2020 22:51 utc | 62

Stop calling it USA. It is USO (United States of Oligarchs).

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Mar 3 2020 22:54 utc | 63

@56
https://joebiden.info/
Search for Creepy Joe, lots of videos of Joe with hands on in the White House.
Was a montage saw months ago with all his videos on single page. Anyone have it?

Posted by: Joe | Mar 3 2020 23:02 utc | 64

@c1ue 61....

I lost trust in most of these polls in 2016. Furthermore I don't agree with your methodology there since it has a huge margin of error, the polls are unreliable and it's too early to tell anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Wiggles | Mar 3 2020 23:08 utc | 65

The real fight of the establishment is to beat Bernie that is the real battle and any strategy centers around that!! The Establishment of the DNC would prefer a senile, corrupt candidate like Biden or an ex Republican Oligarch like Bloomberg not much different from Trump or even support Trump over Bernie!

Posted by: michael lacey | Mar 3 2020 23:09 utc | 66

Walter @58:

Doesn't matter if you used paper ballots if those ballots are counted by machine.

Posted by: corvo | Mar 3 2020 23:20 utc | 67

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 3 2020 22:46 utc | 60

Lot's of early voting here too, and lots of places to vote. That is not the problem. They are really trying hard to get people to accept the "new tech". The problem IS the "new tech". Thousands of hours are going to be wasted while people stand around hoping to vote. Some will give up, they have to work, they have to sleep. The problem is how long it takes for people to understand what they are supposed to do to vote. It has many steps, it is not well thougnt out. It has touchscreens, just don't touch your face ...

Hand marked paper ballots, hand counted in public. Yeah. Now why do our "leaders" not want that? Because it hard to rig. They learned their lesson in 2000.

This "new tech" mainly looks like grift to me, somebody made a lot of money on it, it's a crappy solution for voting.

I live in the city these days, we used to mark up punchcards here,

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 3 2020 23:24 utc | 68

Re: Mao | Mar 3 2020 22:20 utc | 54

Biden:"We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created by the you know, you know the thing."

Thanks very much for this, LOL

and you mention @57 State Dept, DOJ, FBI and others issue joint statement ahead of #SuperTuesday: Americans "must remain aware that foreign actors continue to try to influence public sentiment and shape voter perceptions."

Out here we consider the State Dept, the DOJ, and FBI to be foreign actors. They sure as hell don't do much of anything we approve of.

Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 3 2020 23:34 utc | 69

corvo | Mar 3 2020 23:20 utc | 66 You're right about that, except they County promised to count the paper...100% audit. They're fed up with the machines here, and the "Russia did.whatever is understood cynically a pure bs, a joke. Mind you, the same people tend to believe in the "Rapture". But it was nice to see that their country-bred ability to spot a con still adides, even alongside of nutty-chister magic.

Posted by: Walter | Mar 3 2020 23:39 utc | 70

It would be sad to call this a circus, because even circus performers have talent.

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Mar 3 2020 23:42 utc | 71

@Mr. Wiggles #64
The polls were wrong with Trump - were they wrong with Sanders in 2016?
I certainly don't recall so.
There is a big difference between red state deplorables and under-25 cell phone/social media Gen Z.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2020 23:55 utc | 72

@61 c1ue

So I'm assuming you used the latest polls, but what you didn't factor in is that some states had their EARLY VOTING BEFORE Joe Biden won in South Carolina.

See, Bernie's been to this rodeo already and he worked those early vote states while Loser Joe was still charming snakes in South Carolina. So ironic that Biden only won in Trump and Lindsey Graham country and now he's getting the endorsement push cause he can't hold his own elsewhere. Endorsements cloud and bias everyone's judgment from reality that points to Biden losing in the general.

▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎

James Comey voted in Virginia for Loser Joe Biden. The former FBI chief doesn't know yet that Loser Aipac-grovelling Joe would lose to Ziofascist Aipac-chosen Trump.

The cable punditry are blathering that Bernie can't get a bounce today because Cali might not come in til tomorrow morning. Really? But-but what about a shellacking? Will a shellacking be held up until tomorrow too?

Okay, remember I said to watch out for Andrew Yang, that he tweeted there's an announcement coming in early March. Well so far I haven't seen him seated at the CNN punditry table. Maybe they'll seat him later, who knows? But if they don't, I sure would like to know which direction he's flying in tonight. I know it won't be to Florida, where Bloomberg will speak. But will it be Northeast or Southwest?

Wouldn't it be really great to see Joe Biden get a shellacking in the State he'll be speaking from tonight, in California?

And Joe just got the kiss of death endorsement from none other than Debbie Wasserman Schultz. That's 2 for 2, COMEY and Wasserman-Schultz ending in a predictable strikeout.


@30 goldhoarder

I sympathize but I don't think this is very useful. Really what has happened is power has been consolidated in the hands of the few for a very long time. They killed JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X, probably just tried to kill Shokin as mentioned above... and many others like Solemani, Arafat, Hussein, Gadaffi, etc. Politics is just a sideshow they put on to justify their rule and give themselves legitimacy.

So Bernie got out of his car today in Vermont to go and vote and he had security detail. One guy looked to be 6ft6 and about 250 pounds!

He's not taking any chances.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2020 23:57 utc | 73

Have a bad cold thats knocked my IQ down 20 points, hopefully temporary. So decided to check in on election news as its all I can handle now beyond binge watching Survivors from 1975 BBC series and Flitch. Lol

Kind of looks like between Biden and Sanders. Neither are electable though. I doubt trumps sweating either one.

I’d kind of like to see Bernie as the nominee even if it means nothing. Who could he pick as running mate that makes him more electable though?. Sarah Palin maybe if he can get her to support Medicare for all (or at least pay it lip service). Going to have to be someone that some of the right and center could latch on too, with the right hoping he has another heart attack so Sarah can take over.

Posted by: Pft | Mar 3 2020 23:59 utc | 74

c1ue #71....

Yeah many polls indeed were wrong on Sanders in 2016. But it didn't matter anyway since even the states where he had the most votes gave their delegates to Hillary at the convention. That had been planned from the get-go like it is this time.

Here is one example.

Posted by: Mr. Wiggles | Mar 4 2020 0:04 utc | 75

@73Pft

Are you sure it's not Coronavirus? Take two and call me in the morning. And don't worry we'll manage real well without your 👎 sarcasm.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 0:04 utc | 76

Biden is doing better than I thought. Almost all U.S. voters are right wingers--people who only care about you if you're dead or you haven't been born yet.

Posted by: SharonM | Mar 4 2020 0:16 utc | 77

So Bernie wins Vermont and Biden projected to win in CIA Headquarters, Virginia with the help of older black brainwashed uncle toms with 0% precincts reporting. 😏🙄

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 0:21 utc | 78

Warren speaking in Michigan. I had to mute the sound of her stabbing the Progressive Movement in the back! She's got an EGO as inflated as Trump's. What a loser she is. She'll NEVER live this betrayal down.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 0:33 utc | 79

Andrew Yang is now seated at the CNN punditry table. So no Veep announcement regarding him.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 0:38 utc | 80

Tonymike | Mar 3 2020 18:08 utc | 26

re ... Your house foreclosed upon by shady bank: naked capitalism, .0001% paid on interest savings: naked capitalism, poor wages: naked capitalism, dangerous workplace: naked capitalism, etc. ...

"naked capitalism" is not a clear description. Consider using "predatory capitalism", which clearly describes what it is.

Here's the Wiki dictionary definition:

Predatory--

1. relating to or denoting an animal or animals preying naturally on others.
synonyms: predacious, carnivorous, hunting, raptorial, ravening;
Example: "predatory birds".

2. seeking to exploit or oppress others.
synonyms: exploitative, wolfish, rapacious, greedy, acquisitive, avaricious
Example: "I could see a predatory gleam in his eyes"

Note where the word comes from:
The Latin "praedator", in English meaning "plunderer".

And "plunderer" helps the reader understand and perhaps recognize what is happening.

Every plunderer understands.

Posted by: chu teh | Mar 4 2020 0:50 utc | 81

So 1.3 million EARLY votes were returned before Loser Biden won in SC. Half a million early votes returned in Texas. Hundreds of thousands of early votes returned in all the other states.

So did the lamestream media factor in the early votes when they projected loser Biden will win Comey, CIA state Virginia and in North Carolina?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 0:53 utc | 82

So. We have an old Jewish pseudo socialist, an old white wasp and a wrinkled up old fake Indian in the running. So much for the diversity that the demonrats crave. You all are so naive to think that Burnie will effect any real change. Get real, the powers that be won't allow anyone that but ks the system. Sorry Circe, but your dreams won't come true. No matter who is in the Whore House. A sea change won't happen at the ballot box.

Posted by: Shadow | Mar 4 2020 0:54 utc | 83

Sorry, BUCKS the system.

Posted by: Shadow | Mar 4 2020 0:55 utc | 84

Link for live stream of Bernie rally in Vermont. 0f course Bernie won't speak right away. Band playing for now.

https://youtu.be/RgsadiM7NRE

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 1:09 utc | 85

Actual Real Election Hacking (Hint:It ain't the Russians (and never was)).

Posted by: Noodly Appendage | Mar 4 2020 1:30 utc | 86

I don't like any of these clowns, but Biden and Warren are the ones psychotic enough to get us in an apocalyptic nuclear war. Incidentally, a Biden/Warren ticket is probably what the DNC will select. They are more dangerous than Trump IMO.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Mar 4 2020 1:31 utc | 87

It's time for another episode of the Greatest Reality TV show in the entire world: the American Presidential Campaign Circus!

Cue "Send in the Clowns":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L6KGuTr9TI

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 4 2020 1:41 utc | 88

The message from Bernie and other campaign staff is that many, many polls are still open so many people still have time to vote! Don't listen to early returns, don't listen to projections, and pundit spin, many states to come, just stay in line and vote!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 1:44 utc | 89

I bet the majority of those voting for Biden believe Corona beer spreads COVID.

Or maybe voters look for the first name on the Ballet. If alphabetically listed Biden is first.

Have to have IQ tests to license people to vote I think. Obviously, that could get abused. And come on, Saturday elections, or is religion an obstacle to that.

I wonder if turnout suffered over corona fears, probably not yet but thats something to watch out for in later primaries

Posted by: Pft | Mar 4 2020 1:48 utc | 90

Biden seems to be doing better than expected, if these trends continue a brokered convention seems a certainly (where a dagger with Bernie's name on it is waiting). Although I would prefer a showdown between Sanders and Trump, I would like to see Trump rip apart Joe "cognitive decline" Biden in a debate. Currently, all of the other Democratic candidates are restraining themselves in pointing out how incomprehensible Biden becomes when he talks, but Trump will NOT hold back he'll rip him apart and then give him a new nickname, maybe "Slow Joe", or "Brainless Joe" heck, I wouldn't bet against Trump just calling out Biden on stage during the debates and say that he's got Alzheimer's and is mentally unfit for office.

Posted by: Kadath | Mar 4 2020 1:54 utc | 91

Michael @ 15; Thanks for the Hudson link, god read: An excerpt;

"The Democrats’ Vocabulary of Deception:
How I would explain Bernie’s Program
Every economy is a mixed economy. But to hear Michael Bloomberg and his fellow rivals to Bernie Sanders explain the coming presidential election, one would think that an economy must be either capitalist or, as Bloomberg put it, Communist. There is no middle ground, no recognition that capitalist economies have a government sector, which typically is called the “socialist” sector – Social Security, Medicare, public schooling, roads, anti-monopoly regulation, and public infrastructure. These are a valid alternative to privatized monopolies extracting economic rent."

Brokered convention, second ballot vote. Super delegates select Biden. That's my prediction.

Jrabbit may get it's Biden/Gabbard prediction. That would be trippy!!

Posted by: ben | Mar 4 2020 1:56 utc | 92

Liz, the delusional backstabber, is so far not viable in any state, that means 0 delegates so far, and is LOSING in Massachusettsm her own state, and even if she is over 15% and gets delegates there she cannot get the Nomination at a brokered convention after losing her own state!

Was it worth it Liz to come out empty-handed and deny the Progressive Movement led by Bernie Sanders a geater delegate lead??? She's a disgrace!

🤬🤬🤬🖕

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 2:00 utc | 93

Correction of typo on Massachusetts.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 2:03 utc | 94

Who ever does win the 2020 farce will be 100% free of influence interference by any Jo/Joe Voter, most amerikans appear to understand that fact, except for a minority made chiefly of wishful thinkers unable to accept no one in DC gives flying fuck about any of them apart from whether mug enough to be coerced into 'donating'.

Whenever I end up at a political blog or website, there always appears to be more types whining for money for a candidate, than begging for a vote.
That is probably why they still bother with the primary farce it gives them an excuse to demand money with menaces (send $100 to Bloggs J. or else the other side will get more then you'll lose your job/ get stuck in a war/not get stuck in a war etc.) Since whatever isn't spent ends up in the candidate's pocket, it is easy to see that a lot of the donations are never intended to be wasted on TV commercials no one wants to watch.
Yet some mugs still fall for it.
I would never vote for the dems for the same reason as I never vote Labour or Labor, apart from their atrocious neolib policies, the way they act as though any leftie who doesn't vote for that mob of lying toads is a traitor, as they are the one true party of the left, is more than sufficient never to tick their box even in the once in a blue moon situation where they are indeed the 'least worst'.

Incidently todays NYT which features an article about Biden, Sanders & Warren's position on housing.

Warren's responses


Renter tax credit: No

National rent control: No

Just-cause requirement for evictions: Yes

Ban on source-of-income discrimination: Yes

Make Section 8 an entitlement: No

Federal down payment assistance: Yes

Mortgage interest tax deduction: Yes

Tax incentives for developers in distressed neighborhoods: Yes

Repealing the Faircloth Amendment: Yes

Ban shelter discrimination against transgender people: Yes


I haven't included the others because Warren's position says it all - if that is what the dem left supports it doesn't matter a jot what the whitehouse occupant thinks.
She may claim to be a leftie but Warren's positions on the accommodation crisis are little different than D Trump's except when she adopts a typical neolib position on banning shelter discrimination against transgender people. Warren backs that because it wouldn't cost richfellas a cent but would make many homeless shelters buried under even more bureaucracy and possibly unworkable. Needless to say she is big on subsidising landlords to keep buying up residential homes & jacking up rents. She is opposed to federal rent controls, an essential since state governments have passed legislation prohibiting local government from introducing rent control.

Given that Warren is allegedly a senior member of the left faction of the dems, it shows that even if a genuine leftie did get the prez gig, it wouldn't matter because he/she could never get anything useful for Jo/Joe Citizen through the legislature.

Yet still naifs imagine this nonsense is worth haranguing others over.

Posted by: A User | Mar 4 2020 2:15 utc | 95

In 1-1/2 hrs CA polling stations will close, who will win the grand prize, Sanders or Biden?

Not much difference t me both are equally corrupt and war mongers, that's my views

Posted by: JC | Mar 4 2020 2:36 utc | 96

JC @95:

. . . which is why I voted for Tulsi. Not that I believe my vote counts for anything -- the chances that my vote would sway an election are winning-the-Powerball chances. It's just centuries of brainwashing, from everyone's elementary school American History classes onward, that blind us to the fact.

But precisely because my vote doesn't count for anything, why not vote -- if I vote at all -- according to the dictates of my conscience?

Posted by: corvo | Mar 4 2020 2:40 utc | 97

@90Kadath

The Superdelegate vote is on the 2nd ballot at the Convention, but the 1st fix came in with James Clyburn's endorsement and after S.C. with a bunch of other super-delegate endorsements. This skews and biases the electorate and creates a false impression of electability.

Tulsi will NEVER join a war hawk Biden ticket. The Rabbit has wacky theories.

Joe Biden will drop like a lead balloon if he's chosen to be the Nominee cause young people will run out the door from that moment on and there will be no energy or enthusiasm on his side even if Buttigieg or Stacey or Yang join his team. You can't prop him up. It won't work. It won't feel authentic.

Trump will destroy him. The thought of 4 more years of Ziofascist Trump...there will be more deaths from opioids and suicides than at any other time in history.

Not to mention we're headed for war and climate disaster.

Bernie just won Colorado. Bernie must trounce in California. If only Liz the snake weren't on the ballot, he would. He'll win California. Question is: by how much?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 2:47 utc | 98

If Warren wasn't taking a percentage in Colorado, it would be a blowout for Bernie.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2020 2:49 utc | 99

@94

Warren is a Reagan Republican. She was a Republican until she was 47 years old, which means she lived through the Reagan years thinking 'this is fine'. She only switched in the middle of the 1990s when the GOP had gone so far off the deep end that Clinton's center-right New Democrats better represented her Reaganite views. She claims it was because of abuse by banks, which doesn't make sense, since by that point it was the Democrats leading the charge on bank deregulation.

She isn't a leftist, by any definition. She built a reputation because of the very narrow range of finance issues she's actually good on (the CFPB is the cornerstone of her entire progressive reputation).

And in this election she hasn't been a candidate of the left. She's run on the veneer that she is, but like a snake she's been shedding that pretense over time, backing away from any and every progressive policy position. Her base is white suburbanite professionals, especially women who want to see one of their own be president.

The Warren-Sanders divide perfectly illustrates everything Marx ever wrote about the dangers of Liberals. They aren't the Left's friend. When the revolution comes, they'll be the first to be shot.

Posted by: Benjamin | Mar 4 2020 3:04 utc | 100

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