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February 23, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-14

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Putin keen to cool Turkish hawk down - Pepe Escobar

An hour ago the Russian air force bombed a convoy of Jihadis and Turkish soldiers near Jabal al Zawiyah. Syrian artillery fired on another Turkish convoy. There were Turkish casualties in both incidents. Erdogan can do nothing about it except to order his troops to retreat.

Intelligence Sources: All Candidates Are Russian Agents But Pete Buttigieg - Caitlin Johnstone
National Security Experts Dismiss ‘Hysteria Over Russia’ Allegedly Supporting Bernie Sanders Law and Crime

“One of the best ways to undermine American democracy is for the media to constantly tell Americans that our democratic system is run by a foreign power, that polls [and] debate outcomes are based not on the appeal of our politicians but from the invisible hand of an enemy government,” explained Northeastern University Associate Professor and Quincy Institute Fellow Max Abrahms.

Other issues:

Long reads on the changing global role of the U.S. of A.:

America in Distress: The Challenges of Disadvantageous Change - Chas Freeman
Trump’s Vanished ‘Liberal Middles’ - Alastair Crooke

Netanyahoo asks Al Thani to finance Hamas:

Mossad Chief Visited Doha, Urged Qataris to Continue Gaza Financial Aid - Haaretz

Use as open thread ...

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#295 I hope you are right, personally my trust is shaken.

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 25 2020 4:43 utc | 301

Pft@245 - I'll only emphasize the part about how few people have been tested in the U.S. The CDC criteria, stated another way, for NO TESTING REQUIRED/NO RISK : 1) Did the person travel from China? If they didn't then, 2) Did they have contact with a lab-confirmed case of COVID-19?

If the answer to both is 'NO' then the person is not currently considered at risk, and health care providers CAN NOT send samples to the CDC for testing. Think of the implications of that. If you're in the ICU in the U.S. for flu/pneumonia and were not in contact with one of the 14 confirmed cases, then you just have the flu.

It doesn't matter if the person was flying or on any other public transportation everywhere except China or was in any public setting where they may have contracted corona virus. It doesn't matter how many bowls of bat or pangolin soup they may have enjoyed recently. It does not matter what clinical symptoms are present or if a CAT scan shows pneumonia consistent with that found in other COVID-19 cases. In the U.S., those patients are not and will not be tested by the CDC today and have not be counted as COVID-19 'cases'. Today, they can only count as regular, 'seasonal' influenza-related pneumonia cases (or deaths) regardless of what the doctors suspect.

The CDC itself has only been testing for COVID-19 since January 21, and only claims to have done 426 tests as of February 24 for the entire U.S. They claim they're not behind, so the criteria are so restrictive that only a handful of patients qualify for testing. So maybe 200 or so tests for the U.S. (14 confirmed) in addition to a couple hundred for the U.S. citizens evacuated from Wuhan and the Diamond Princess in Japan (39 confirmed).

The CDC distributed COVID-19 test kits (700-800 tests per kit) to state labs starting on Feb. 3rd, but one of the reagents was found to be flawed so the kits are unusable. The CDC intends to produce and send out a replacement - someday. So far, nothing.

Expect the count of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. to explode when state labs are finally able to test whichever patients they want vs. the CDC 'approved' high-risk cases. It will be to late and useless to do contact histories at that point. "Gosh, I had a long layover at Chicago-O'hare, but didn't get everyone's name in the terminal that day. Sorry!"

Posted by: PavewayIV | Feb 25 2020 4:43 utc | 302

I agree with your assessment of "Mayor Pete". IMO, he's only there to hopefully pull votes away from Bernie, as are most of the others.

Posted by: ben | Feb 25 2020 4:46 utc | 303

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have recently lost hundreds of millions of dollars in funding cuts, including a $750 million cut in December. On Friday, President Trump signed a bill that slashed $1.35 billion from its Prevention and Public Health Fund over the next 10 years. "


Posted by: ben | Feb 25 2020 4:54 utc | 304

james @283:

that is something i agree with ... i would be doing the same as what you are advocating..

Well, remember this!

Because when Bernie proclaims half-a-loaf as VICTORY! and dembots like Circe are overjoyed with the SAVIOR's good works then they will turn their ire toward anyone that isn't on board the Democratic train to nowhere.

Example: Bernie saves the Party from the clutches of billionaire Bloomberg and wrangles Tulsi as VP.
Why is that so bad? Because:
  1. There's no guaranty that any of the reforms sought by Bernie's followers will get enacted if the Democrats actually won the Presidency;
  2. A ticket headed by an establishment Democrat is probably a loser against a popular "populist" President (recall 2008's McCain-Palin);
  3. There's STILL no independent Movement to hold the establishment accountable, the lesser-evil shell game will have won - again.

So prepare to be called a racist, Zio-fascist Trump supporter who is personally responsible for the end of civilization.

That's how the Democracy Works! & Lesser-Evil scam operates. They will try to force you to comply with their divide and conquer agenda or demonize you.

And that's why it's important that people voice their concerns about Bernie BEFORE he betrays his deluded followers. Because the dembot enforcers will happily add "conspiracy theorist" to the list of personal faults of any critic - unless it's clear that people had reason to suspect Bernie BEFORE the betrayal (and they do).

So vote strategically - but prepare for the betrayal that Bernie is already telegraphing.

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Some may ask: Why would Bernie betray his own Movement?


  • it's NOT a Movement, it's a quixotic insurgency to take over the Democratic Party that many true progressives see as doomed to fail;
  • US elite ideology (Zionism, neoconservatism, neoliberalism) is inherently anti-democratic and allows - nay, promotes - fooling the people;
  • faux populism is an establishment device to con a dumbed-down, propagandized public.
  • Faux populists Obama and Trump have betrayed their followers too.
  • Bernie already betrayed his followers in 2016 when he wouldn't make character an issue in the race (instead, he gave Hillary a pass, saying: "Enough with your damn emails!").

    One could actually argue that Trump is President because of Bernie.

  • Bernie supports the Empire and is friendly with establishment types that run the Empire like:
    - Hillary, who he called a "friend of 25 years";

    - Schumer who refused to allow Party funding for Democrat that wanted to run against Bernie in Vermont;

    - Obama who campaigned for Bernie.

  • Bernie is a Zionist (as is EVERYONE on the debate stage). Many have noted that his criticisms of Israel lack substance. And some would go further and say that Bernie's comments wrt Israel are disingenuous.

    Bernie's attachment to Israel and American Jews that support Israel is illustrated by his having spent a year (or more) in Israel when he was young and his Civil Rights activism. Although Bernie is lauded for his Civil Rights protesting as a youth, he was actually one of MANY Jews that fought for civil rights because at that time, all American Jews knew that those who most hated blacks also hated Jews. Sanders activism was for the Jewish community much more than it was for the black community.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 5:01 utc | 305


Youtube: CBS news "Iowa caucus goer tries to change vote after learning Pete Buttikieg is gay"

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 25 2020 5:05 utc | 306


Grabbing one of your tin foil hats, I suspect those in five eyes countries who take their annual flue shots, which is the same group that would be in danger from coronavirus, will have no problems eating bat and anteater soup.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2020 5:15 utc | 307

Then there is this;

An excerpt;
Sens. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Kamala Harris of California, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas won't be in attendance for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's three-day conference in Washington, D.C. that runs from Sunday to Tuesday."

Posted by: ben | Feb 25 2020 5:58 utc | 308

thanks jackrabbit.. it is fairly clearly laid out then... we'll see how it unfolds here forward...

Posted by: james | Feb 25 2020 6:55 utc | 309

Honest question,
What does a true believer like Circe do after Bernie fails?
Do the Bro’s hunker down and grind away at some more Movement?
Cuz it’s not looking good, electoral college wise. Never mind just winning the Dem nom.
Who carries the torch? Or is the plan to just Bern it down?

Circe, will you carry on? Cuz you seem to be blowing your wad hard, and it’s only February.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Feb 25 2020 7:57 utc | 310

Quite a contrast between the air defence crews who volunteered to man their posts at Shayrat airbase when it was evacuated prior to the Trump strike, to the yanks cowering in their bunkers who had their exceptional brains scrambled in the Iran strike on al Assad.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 25 2020 8:48 utc | 311

A small nugget from South Front:

Former head of the U.S. Special Operations Command retired Navy admiral William McRaven has decried the dismissal of Joe Maguire because Maguire was “only doing his job.” He wrote an op-ed which might be regarded to a certain extent as special pleading on behalf of a former fellow Seal: “As Americans, we should be frightened — deeply afraid for the future of the nation. When good men and women can’t speak the truth, when facts are inconvenient, when integrity and character no longer matter, when presidential ego and self-preservation are more important than national security — then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil.”

Tut tut Admiral McRaven if that is the case then what do you have to say about Hillary Clinton when as Secretary of State kept her entire correspondence and top secret emails on an unsecured server in her closet at home. I bet the good Admiral didn't speak the truth (if he spoke at all) when that inconvenient fact came to light. Perhaps he doesn't see himself as one of those 'good men and women'.

When [Hillary Clinton] self preservation and ego are more important than national security... didn't hear from the good admiral in 2015 or 2016 did we.

These card carrying 'socialist' funded warmongers on the public payroll are shameless as well as stupid.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2020 9:58 utc | 312

Vintage Red #296

To reconfigure Malcolm X's famous phrase, regardless of whether the repression is done by the ballot or the bullet we may be seeing the beginnings of a socialist-curious if not yet outright socialist breakout of popular consciousness from the sway of the oligarchy.

And that would be a very long-awaited opening here in the US.

YES YES to that comment and thank you for encapsulating my view of the entire Sanders wagon train. I gather he will resist any renegade breaking away if the time comes for that, but he no longer has sufficient control.

Once you turn the lights on everyone in the room knows where the way forward lies.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 25 2020 10:07 utc | 313

PavewayIV @ 302

Yes.  A very curious way to handle a new virus threat.  As you imply, a virus with a decent RO would have a number of ways to 'leak out' and not be easily contained. A responsible public health agency would be all over it trying much harder to find index cases.

Something as serious as the 1918 pandemic would be hard to keep under wraps.

This seems much less of a serious problem than that but still the response is lame and seems aimed at keeping the focus on China.

Posted by: financial matters | Feb 25 2020 11:41 utc | 314

uncle tungsten @313

“Once you turn the lights on everyone in the room knows where the way forward lies.”

I’ve been saying for awhile now that whatever the case with Sanders himself, I hope his campaign goes as far as it possibly can, even to the Presidency, as this will force the oligarchy to expose their real control more and more.

Between the increasing strength of the global resistance countries, their own slipping technological superiority, the dollar slowly losing its global reserve currency status and China’s Belt-and-Road/New Silk Road better offer, the capitalist PTB are getting panicked, feeling increasingly cornered and short of time. They’re starting to get sloppy, throwing wild punches of all kinds, turning on their own vassals and hitherto tranquilized popular base at home.

It’s not simply that they’re too greedy to want to see an anti-austerity-candidate-dubbed-socialist become President. The last thing they want to see is the rise of a real left mass base on the home front, one that wants deep cuts in the MIC and Wall Street profits so flesh-and-blood people can have a better life and real climate action. Even if Sanders were 100% horrible on foreign and military policy the movement around him has great potential to manifest real anti-imperialism alongside real socialism. Its growth alarms the rich and they are compelled to demoralize, disperse and if they can destroy it.

Not only could this burgeoning movement be a very long-awaited opening here in the US, it could be a real game-changer globally.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2020 12:38 utc | 315

An example of rhetoric> "USA is pulling nukes out of Turkey"


But what is true is this> US moves nukes to Poland forward operating base in preparation for Barbarossa 2.0"

see Duran...


About Burnie...see the '44 convention film about Wallace... Dumping Wallace, Blocking Bernie: How the Democrats Broke With the Working Class - Kuznick RAI (YT)

Posted by: Walter | Feb 25 2020 13:15 utc | 316


Hollywood is the propaganda arm of CIA. If you fill your brain with government propaganda you will do nothing but serve the powerful.

Why would anyone with half a brain give a thought to celebrities of propaganda?

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 25 2020 14:07 utc | 317

As Jack Rasmus points out the Jackrabbit view is also that of the corporate Democrats- :

"..The leadership-corporate wing clearly believes they can win the November election even if they scuttle Sanders once again and prevent him from getting the nomination. One can almost hear them talking in the backrooms and cloakrooms at the primary city hotels: “We only lost in 2016 by 70 electoral votes in 3 swing states. We can take those states (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin) in 2020 even without Bernie. The minorities have nowhere else to go. The Union top leaders are with us. Middle class white women hate Trump, especially in the swing state suburbs and exurbs. We’ll put a woman or a minority on the ticket as VP. That’ll keep the youth and progressives in tow. We’ll adopt Sanders’ programs in our campaign speeches, then drop them after the election. We can win without Sanders on the ticket!”.
In other words the famous sheepdog strategy.
But Rasmus has more sense and understands that

"..they are wrong. Sanders’ voters will largely abstain. Being prevented from the nomination twice, in 2016 and now 2020, they will mostly not vote. Trump will eat Bloomberg alive in the presidential debates. And the Democrats will lose in November with Bloomberg…once again. They will prove they are strategically inept and tactically incapable once again.

"What the party’s leadership will accomplish should they scuttle Sanders in 2020, however, is to set in motion a process leading to the creation of a bona-fide third party. This time rising from a real grass roots movement base, not via some top-down declaration by left intellectuals or some ambitious politician. This time the real thing."

Jackrabbit is a constant amplifier of the right wing, anti-populist themes of the Clintonites and the DLC. The significance of the Sanders movement lies in the demographic shift of opinion in the United States as new generations for whom the American Dream is a bad joke, tens of millions who have seen every aspect of their living standards eroded in an orgy of wealth transfer from the working people to a tiny elite of financiers and their hangers-on, are refusing to play the electoral game, rejecting identity politics and demanding their share of the vast resources currently being salted away by billionaires.
As Rasmus argues these people are not going to vote for Bloomberg or any other of the pre-selected Goldman Sachs candidates, whether they are brown, female, or out of the LGBTQ subculture.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 25 2020 14:16 utc | 318

Life expectancy in England flatlines for first time in 100 years & Tory govt’s austerity is major factor – report

Way to go, England. Keep walking.


No, President Trump: You’ve Weakened America's Soft Power

The real reason liberals hate Trump: not because of his policies, but because he's eroding America's soft power (specially with its First World vassals in Western Europe). They like his hawkish foreign policies (Venezuela, Syria, Iran, China), they like his unconditional love to Israel and Saudi Arabia, they like his corporate tax cuts. They hate his tweets, they hate his mcdonalds burgers in the sacred rooms of the WH, they hate his golf tours at Mar-a-Lago, they hate his vulgarity.


Rush Limbaugh on coronavirus: ‘The common cold’ that’s being ‘weaponized’ against Trump

Don't remember this human garbage vomiting his conspiracy theories when the propaganda was directed only against China.

A lesson for the Saker, Unz et al. readers here: two wrongs don't make one right - it's still two wrongs. The same way, a conspiracy theorist is still only that - a conspiracy theorist (with a hidden political agenda that only he/she thinks is hiding from someone).

Posted by: vk | Feb 25 2020 14:23 utc | 319

Heh, heh heh, the amerikan fishwraps are starting to really get into the same nonsense that destroyed J Corbyn over Sanders.
I suspect they have left their run too late as it took two entire years of wall to wall 360°, 24/7/365 blatant slander against Mr Corbyn before the tories felt safe enough to call an election.

I saw Rahm Emmanuel on sunday morning ABC and he actually mentioned Mr Corbyn, which is something most amerikan media have avoided thus far as they seem to believe that will make their propaganda too transparent. When Rahm tossed out Mr Corbyn's name it sorta landed with a clunk - there was a silence for a few seconds, a definite no-no on that expert (ie lying journos plus equally mendacious political consultants) laden talkfest where media proprietors' weird opinions are passed off as news.

Speaking of zionists, there is thus far, considerable reluctance to play the Sanders is an anti-semite who will kill israel, as far as I can see. Getting away cleanly with calling a jew an anti-semite is a fraught business at the best of times and the lobby may not have a secret zionist planted at the heart of Sanders campaign as they did with Jon Lansman, boss of Momentum the organisation set up to get a genuine left wing leader of UK Labour. Ironically Lansman's first subversion was briefing against Mr Corbyn's meeting with Jewdas, an anti-zionist jewish organisation, who were about to make big releases that Mr Corbyn was like them a friend to jews but an opponent of the apartheid state. The dirt on Jewdas (all manufactured tossage) was released in the news cycle right before the Jewdas stuff was due to be put out. Lansman got worse and worse through 2019.

Anyway the Sanders slander is starting to get a head of steam eg The NYT has an article, allegedly a conversation between two hacks, Gail Collins and Bret Stephens about who they would vote for between Trump & Sanders - favourite part is this:

" I keep saying the answer is neither. It’s like asking me to choose between a slow-growing malignant cancer (Trump) and a sudden brain hemorrhage (Sanders). I know you think it’s an epic dodge, as do many of our readers. But when a democratic system offers you awful choices you have a right, like Herman Melville’s Bartleby the Scrivener, to say: “I would prefer not to” — and go vote libertarian."
I love that, it's a real insight into these drongos - not vote Green or the 2020 Alfred E Neuman equivalent, but vote libertarian.

Anyway may as well laugh because considering that the way 'democracy' works in amerika, it doesn't matter a damn who wins prez 2020, because the empire party, in conjunction with the boss civil servants all of whom at the top appear to believe manifest destiny is still a thing, will make sure the curruption, violence and robbery will continue unabated.

It was gonna be a tough row for Corbyn to hoe, but the warping of the amerikan system is far more profound that what has happened in england.

Yeah the wishful thinkers deny this of course to which I say wait about 10 months and you'll see. Of course most of the 2020 suckers will go on to be 2024 suckers, as can already be ascertained from the fools who convinced themselves that oblmblam's "HOPE" was gonna carry the day - prolly the same credulous types who wore saxaphone lapel badges in 1992 and denied reality as cigar Bill smashed social security and pushed through NAFTA.

Every possible opion on the wondroudness of Bernie Sanders has been posted to these threads sufficient to bore the last elephant in the room, so how's about MoA moves on to stuff that will have an actual effect upon us all.

Posted by: A User | Feb 25 2020 14:32 utc | 320

Circe @297:

What's wrong with the picture is that anyone gives a tinker's damn about people whose only claim to fame is their ability to throw a ball or "sing" through a voice modulator.

Posted by: corvo | Feb 25 2020 14:48 utc | 321

If anyone needs a refresher on the roots of the War on Syria, here’s a great 2016 article by Stephen Gowans: The Revolutionary Distemper in Syria That Wasn’t. Consider sharing it with people you know who are on the fence regarding the whole “evil Assad” thing.

Posted by: S | Feb 25 2020 14:48 utc | 322

I invite you to take a look at the live reports of the violence in Delhi by Modi's Hindutva mobs supported by police under Modi's control, against Muslims and Muslim localities, where there had been some peaceful protests against the new Modi anti-Muslim legislation. This is going on side-by-side with Modi's festivities for Trump.


I wish someone would ask Bernie Sanders if he would support a Security Council move under Responsibility to Protect to get India in line with its universal responsibilities. This is full-blown fascism exploding. It's not like Qaddhafi supposedly feeding Viagra to get his soldiers to rape the women of his enemies.

Posted by: sarz | Feb 25 2020 14:52 utc | 323

The argument that Sanders is a "Zionist" can only be supported depending on your definition of what "Zionism" is. At a meta-conspiracy level "Zionision" is either a British plot or an American plot or a Jewish plot to takeover/control the whole of the Middle East (or bring on the "end-times"). However "Zionism" could also be an allegation thrown at those who support Israel's right to exist and, strictly speaking, this would be "Zionist" because the establishment of a Jewish state in the Middle East was part of the original "Zionist" plan. However, there is a world of difference between these two positions and Sanders would be in the "Israel's right to exist" category.

Sanders' attendance at a kibbutz in the early 1960s is neither here nor there because it was so long ago and because it was quite a popular thing for Americans (both Jewish and non-Jewish) to do at the time. What would matter is what Sanders got out of it and whether it still has an influence. By all accounts, Sanders only went to the kibbutz once and stayed for only a few months. The kibbutz was run by the Hashomer Hatzair youth movement which is described as a "Socialist Zionism Jewish Youth Movement".

Haaretz, in a 2016 article, refers to an article found in their archive from 1990, written by former intelligence correspondent and analyst Yossi Melman:

"Sanders...told Melman that in 1963 he spent several months in Kibbutz Sha'ar Ha'amakim, in northern Israel, as a guest of the Hashomer Hatzair youth movement.

In the interview, published under the title "The First Socialist" during his first campaign to the senate, Sanders said he grew up "in a Jewish environment in Brooklyn, New York, in which the Holocaust and Israel were always important." The article says that after spending time on the kibbutz, he seems to have lost his connection to Israel, Zionism and Judaism, but fails to offer any further details..."

Hashomer Hatzair was based in Eastern Europe and, after the war, the movement was involved in organizing illegal immigration of Jewish refugees to Palestine. It is a secular (non-religious) Jewish organisation and seems to have produced a fair smattering of Trotskyites including Tony Cliff.

Today Hashomer Hatzair supports the Israeli–Palestinian peace process (not sure of position on Trump's "Deal") and withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza. The argument could be made that the organisation is just controlled opposition.

As regards Sanders position on the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):

“The Israeli people have the right to live in peace and security. So do the Palestinian people. I remain concerned about the platform AIPAC provides for leaders who express bigotry and oppose basic Palestinian rights...For that reason I will not attend their conference.” The statement seems to be a reference to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whom Sanders has referred to as a “racist” in the past.

To which AIPAC replied:

“Senator Sanders has never attended our conference and that is evident from his outrageous comment...By engaging in such an odious attack on this mainstream, bipartisan American political event, Senator Sanders is insulting his very own colleagues and the millions of Americans who stand with Israel. Truly shameful.”

Source:- Sanders Claims AIPAC Gives ‘A Platform to Bigotry’(National Review Artilcle)

Sanders is going to face accusations of being "Zionist" on the one hand and "anti-semitic" on the other. Those putting these allegations will adopt positions of righteous justification when the truth is that these are just politically motivated slurs that trap Americans into the politics of personality. What matters about Sanders is his platform.


The thing that worries me most about Sanders is his increasingly forceful statements against Russia but I already knew that 2020 was at risk of becoming a war election (as opposed to the previous 4 elections being about change) when Gabbard failed to get any traction and when I heard all those Bernie supporters cheering Sanders anti-Russia statements at a rally many months ago. At the end of the day, it is up to Americans what they want: "Change" or "War".

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 15:07 utc | 324

- Why Is the head of the Mossad urging Qatar to continue the support for Gaza ?

- Do the israelis know what we don't know ? Does Israel fear that Gaza is going to explode once more ? Explode in the face of the israelis ? More unrest in Gaza means that the israeli government has to "respond" with military force again and that will put the israeli government in a "bad light" once more, Especially in the Us and Europe.

- Based on Alistair Crooke's article it's clear we should prepare for more "unrest" in the Middle East. But I am NOT that convinced that more unrest is going to benefit Israel all the time.

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 25 2020 15:11 utc | 325

Sanders does seem to have our wingpawns upset today.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Feb 25 2020 15:20 utc | 326

karlof1 @213 "the wealthiest country in the world"... as you said, depends on how you define wealth. Take out the billionaires in any country-- U.S. in this case since we know that billionaires cheat and steal and hurt to get their loot-- and then measure wealth. I agree with your pointing out Sanders' overgeneralized and not very accurate portrayal of the wealth of the U.S. but I wouldn't use wikipedia's tables which are IMF,World Bank and CIA to indicate wealth.
Bottom line, Sanders is coming out with some very good structural proposals but we need to keep pushing on his foreign policy comments which sometimes are horrible. Gabbard could be a big plus for him if they combine their campaigns. I don't buy the "Gabbard is toxic" line.

Posted by: michael egan | Feb 25 2020 15:34 utc | 327

SharonM at 129 questioned uncle tungsten at 122:

So you agree that Bernie is "no threat at all" to the establishment, yet you think the establishment "will even kill" to stop him and his supporters who you refer to as the "left"?? You lost me there.

If I may give my answer, uncle t offers his at 162.

From the long and dispassionate view, Sanders as President or VP or Speaker of the House, etc. is no threat. Getting some of the reforms he proposes thru Congress, + the Upper House, applied in particular States, etc. will be horribly difficult or even impossible.

The CEO of USA-inc has a lot of power, but not much of it to effect consequent change, and none, or almost, to hand for radical change at home (foreign policy = other topic.)

The window is terribly narrow. As has been demonstrated by Trump, but was hidden by the consensual con-man Obama, not that it makes Trump better, times / styles change…

Sanders could not, (ex. of my own wacky proposals) nationalise the banking system and the stock market, reduce some of the powers of the Federation to return them to States, cancel student debt entirely, create a two-tier med. system (not Medicare for all, a bad model, and even that won’t be achievable..) etc. Sanders as President would face obstructions and barricading, denigrating, just like Trump, and wouldn’t get much, if anything, done.

This is not contradictory with Sanders representing a threat.

That is why there is so much talk about a 'Movement' - which represents a sorta vague hmm getting close to the idea that some Pol or Person or Idol could actually create a ‘leftist’ (for lack of a better term, i.e. opposed to the oligarchs, Mafia finance, murderous corporations) movement that might have some courage and thus one day some impact.

The best way of stopping a ‘movement’ of ‘Bernie Bros’ (not that imho that would ever happen) is to keep Sanders in the ‘System’, and thus his supporters demands limited (be reasonable!..), and their disappointment writ large when a ‘majority’ of US citizens show (manipulated, miscounted, etc.) that Sanders just can't 'make it'...

The tension thus plays out.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 25 2020 15:35 utc | 328

@ S | Feb 25 2020 14:48 utc | 322

"If anyone needs a refresher on the roots of the War on Syria"

Uhh, no. You link to the forest when you should be looking be looking at the trees


Posted by: b4real | Feb 25 2020 15:38 utc | 329

One more channel carrying the Delhi carnage while Trump is being feted in a state dinner.

Posted by: sarz | Feb 25 2020 15:43 utc | 330

Sanders must come prepared for WAR at tonight's debate because every candidate even Warren is heading into tonight's debate to take down Sanders.

They are using 40-year old comments Bernie made on Castro's literacy program for the poor. Bernie already replied that China lifted millions out of poverty, is that a bad thing, too? He's trying to say, that if you want diplomacy to happen you don't enter into it with only bad things to say about another country!

No doubt, they will attack Bernie from all sides tonight. It will be brutal.

Bernie must come armed with dirt of his own on Biden and Bloomberg to throw and their records practically speak for themselves!

The three Neo B's and the W and even Steyer who at yesterday's town hall surprisingly has gone to the dark side, are going to gang up on Sanders trying tar and feather him, and destroy his platform, and he's going to have to stand tall and come prepared to defend it and himself and dish dirt right back!

The following hours after and days to come the media will nit pick every faux pas he makes and inflate it 100 times.

Anderson Cooper always digs for meaningless dirt cause he wants to help his gay brother, weasel Pete who can't make it in this race without the backing of 40 billionaires keeping his campaign alive and relying on media hucksters to throw dirt at Bernie who has a MASSIVE MOVEMENT behind him that now includes latinos who trust him and affectionately call him TIO BERNIE and millions of young kids who have nicknamed him America's Dad.

No other candidate has the kind of enthusiasm and numbers Bernie is generating, because he is GENUINE, and the others are not. Bush Republican BLOOMBERG has thrown away half a billion trying to buy what comes naturally to Bernie. Half a billion could have put a lot of roofs over 500,000 homeless people!

Bloomberg is a Ziofascist who could care less about Black people, latinos and the poor from U.S. to Palestine. His fascist policies against black people and latinos and his excuses justifying the shelling of children in schools and the destruction of hospitals in Gaza disqualify him as a human being, or a leader for the future!

Biden is using Black people as a fire wall, but he approved of segragationist policy in the past and policies that put blacks and latinos into the prison system. He undermined Anita Hill's testimony and therefore helped put a Conservative judge, Thomas, on the Court! And he tried to mess with Social Security.

The neolib, elitist Buttigieg gentrified an entire town he was mayor of and marginalized and ignored the needs of the black community in South Bend. How could he possibly care about black communities on a federal level or handle that responsibility when HE FAILED MISERABLY on a smaller scale as mayor of a small town? And Buttigieg is a foreign policy interventionist with half measures for healthcare and climate change! In other words, he is all for status quo! This is about him, this is about the first married gay guy making history getting into the White House. It's all about his ego. Buttigieg is A GAY ELITIST who will lose all the Appalachia states, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and he'll lose Michigan and lose heavily in latino-populated states. African Americans can't stomach him, and don't trust him. So Buttigieg will deliver the Presidency to Trump on a silver platter!

Elizabeth Warren has a platform like Bernie's but she waivers on her commitment to universal healthcare and she clearly lacks the grassroots operation that Bernie has and has proven already that she is a weak candidate who will be INCAPABLE OF DEFEATING TRUMP.


Bernie Sanders is harnessing the energy to defeat Trump. The Democratic Party is making a FATAL MISTAKE trying to attack and take down the only candidate capable of defeating Trump at a critical, dangerous time in history.

The Democratic establishment and the media will be ON ALL CYLINDERS WITH THEIR BULLSHET MACHINE ATTACKING BERNIE SANDERS tonight trying to kneecap his momentum heading into South Carolina and Super Tuesday.

They must not succeed! Narrow margins will be easy to rig! The turnout for Bernie must be MASSIVE. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STRETCH IN THIS RACE. From tonight until Tuesday the biggest fight is on! Bernie cannot lose or we are doomed. This opportunity will not come again. The other candidates will lose to Trump. I see it! This week is critical!

FIGHT FOR THIS. FIGHT FGS!!! This is the last chance to put a person in the White House who will put power in the hands of its rightful owner, PEOPLE.

We cannot let this week pass without giving it the fight of our lives!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 15:45 utc | 331

>Not only could this burgeoning movement be a very
>long-awaited opening here in the US, it could be a
>real game-changer globally.
>Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 25 2020 12:38 utc | 315

A pleasant thought, but is it more than just another pipe dream? Is there even one example of an electoral machine turning into a movement that went beyond getting votes? If there is, it needs to be closely studied.

It's a bit disappointing there have been no comments on the recent First Nations struggle in Canada. There are many players involved, each with competing interests, so I have trouble understanding the situation, especially in regards to "hereditary chiefs" vs. "elected chiefs".

There is a unique tactical situation with Canada's only transcontinental railroad passing through sort-of sovereign Mohawk territory that spans New York and Ontario. That makes blocking the railroad a very effective pressure point. For me the most important point is that the First Nations people have not been sucked into the electoral cul-de-sac. It makes no difference what pretty face is leading the Liberals or that they run the government instead of the Conservatives.

What matters is the First Nations people have taken actions that raised the social (and economic) costs of the current policies. Blocking railroads for two weeks has focused more attention on their demands than a hundred emotional videos of how people are forced to live in the North. That is a lesson that troublemakers everywhere need to think about.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 25 2020 15:53 utc | 332

Re: vk | Feb 25 2020 14:23 utc | 319

you write: "A lesson for the Saker, Unz et al. readers here: two wrongs don't make one right - it's still two wrongs. The same way, a conspiracy theorist is still only that - a conspiracy theorist (with a hidden political agenda that only he/she thinks is hiding from someone)."

Not clear on why you conflate the Saker, Unz et al with Rush Limbaugh? Because Rush is speaking of Coronavirus? Sorry, that is BS. And my experience is that the term "conspiracy theorist" is more like to be used by those who DO have a hidden agenda then by those who are trying to see through all the incessant lies that come from the official narrative.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 25 2020 15:55 utc | 333

It appears that COVID-19, while not terribly deadly (< 2% death rate so far), is quite easily communicable. So far about 700 of the 3,700 humans on board the Diamond Princess have become infected. Translating that rate of infection to the USA translates to 60+ million infected humans in the USA. A 1% death rate translates to 600,000 deaths, twenty times the number who die each year of influenza. To try to avoid these kind of numbers, the world economy has to change VERY significantly. Airports, theaters, large concerts and sporting events will become empty. Schools will close. Commercial aircraft will be grounded. Supply chains will be severely impacted.

I think b needs to re-examine his rosy scenario.

Posted by: Don Wills | Feb 25 2020 15:56 utc | 334

Hey b,
Thanks bigly for the thoughtful, informed and wide ranging article by Chas Freeman and the Trump-deranged, obsessive-compulsive article by Alistair Crooke.

The article by Freeman is an absolute must-read. He soberly addresses and makes predictions about dozens of very real problems facing the United Shitholes of AmeriKKKa in the near and medium term. I particularly enjoyed Freeman's gambit of describing Trump as a self-obsessed simpleton (even though it's wrong), and then subsequently using the term Trump Administration to oversimplify the obscure processes behind whatever happens to emerges as Official USA Policy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 25 2020 15:59 utc | 335

So Obama can point out Cuba's achievements under Castro, but Bernie can't state fact about about their Literacy Program?

Obama Cuba

Share this everywhere people! Take this damn hypocritical fear-mongering narrative out of the establisment's hands and RIP IT to shreds and throw it back in their lying faces!!!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 16:01 utc | 336

Re: Don Wills | Feb 25 2020 15:56 utc | 334

The US depends on China for its antibiotics, our good friends at the Council on Foreign Relations (/: sarc) tell us that 97% of US antibiotics come from China

The mortality rate will be a lot higher if there are big problems with shortages of meds.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 25 2020 16:03 utc | 337

You wanna know what A FAKER BUTTIGIEG IS? WATCH:

Obama copycat

Brilliant editing! Share everywhere!

I wonder how many hours WEASEL BUTTIGIEG practiced that piece of plagerized fakery in front of his mirror?!

Whasa matter, Buttigieg, can't come up with your own original gig???

Put a fork in him, Buttigieg is done.

It's about AUTHENTICITY, people.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 16:19 utc | 338

AIPAC has a problem. There is a whiff of decline. Four years ago, Sanders requested a video appearance at AIPAC conference as he wanted to attend but had a busy schedule, primaries etc. and they could refuse. Now he makes a tirade why he does not want to attend. Sigh.

Warren does not want to attend, makes no tirade. But speaking your mind gives you more votes, Warren lags. Another Sigh.

Expert in Jerusalem Post concluded that Sanders "is not a Zionist" after a detailed examination. Indeed, he pals with people who dislike the government of Israel, and say unkind words about that government himself. [Some explanation to MoA readers: Sanders is almost guilty of anti-Semitism by making demands from Israeli government, e.g. not being racist, that he does not issue to other countries, so he whacks Russia from time to time.]

Talking about criticizing, a verbal war with Sanders is risky for AIPAC, and being a bunch of PR specialists, they know it. It is OK to send a little feisty reply to Sanders, but a protracting exchange of volleys is not good for them.

Another fact uncovered by experts of Jerusalem Post: AIPAC does not support the latest peace plan, even that it was prepared by a good Jew and got accolades from the prime minister of Israel and the leader of the opposition. Instead they mumble and evade the topic. The plan is apparently bad news. Ah, Kushner had best intentions but the boychick is way too naive. Did he think about the visuals illustrating the plan, proposed collision avoidance between two classes of people in the Holy Land: class A above ground, class B below. Will the plan be dragged out in the inevitable exchange of verbal attacks between Trump and Sanders, Sanders trying to show that Trump is very stupid?

And then the issue of fighting with anti-Semitism that includes (primarily?) handling unjustified criticism of Israel that makes demands not addressed to other countries too. I skipped reading news about Israel for quite a while because they are uniformly depressing, but now I made a little scan. One problem with Israel is that it allows Jews who are there (and not in galut, the Exile) to be more and more Jewish. For example, the are more Jewish now than several years ago when I have followed the news. As the galut Jews cannot elevate themselves, a gap arises. Sanders, galut to the core, is a symptom.

One important way of becoming more Jewish is to find new, innovative ways to defend the Jewish homelands that more often than not faces existential threat. Merely doing stuff like before will not do. So we surround Palestinians with fence (or walls). A security necessity, infiltration etc. Killing those that get close to the fence while walking on land that was "given to them" or at least, not taken from them. Still, security necessity. And now, ta da, a new idea: when the killed people fall dead, collect their bodies as trophies, using bulldozers if that happens to be the most practical method.

A discussion why one does criticize Israel, AND ONLY Israel for collecting bodies as trophies using bulldozers dragging them in dirt is a PR failure. May be not now, but it will happen. Perhaps there are method, like bans on BDS propaganda and displaying visual props of BDS propaganda without specifying what would be banned -- that would work,right? Or not. Some heads get overheated.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 25 2020 16:20 utc | 339

@ Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 25 2020 15:55 utc | 333

Are you talking about the same Saker that insists about a bogus Judeo-Bolshevik theory that has the blatant objective (hidden agenda) to promote some kind of neo-Christian conservative messianic society? That same Saker? Like seriously, the guy could perfectly be in the Orthodox Church's payroll - and if he isn't, I think he should send his resumee.

Or are you talking about eugenics-sympathizer Unz? The same Unz who slips clearly pseud-scientific academic papers in the middle of legitimate news?

There's a reason nobody will remember those guys after they die. It's the same reason we don't remember the names of the thousands and thousands of other false-prophets who came before.

Posted by: vk | Feb 25 2020 16:20 utc | 340

bevin @ 318

I agree with the Jack Rasmus snip you posted. So, I was perplexed to see this seemingly gratuitious slam near the end:

Jackrabbit is a constant amplifier of the right wing, anti-populist themes of the Clintonites and the DLC.

Could you please explain this to me? This sentence just drops into the middle of a story about the DNC. AFAICT, Jackrabbit has not gone on about the Rasmus article. So why the slam?

I don't understand exactly how you interpret JR's constant calls for "a movement" as "anti-populist". What kind of movement is he then calling for? Libertarianism? I also don't get how JR is "Clintonite". To me he seems to despise the Clintons and the DNC.

Is this the old canard that anyone who thinks Bernie is a sheepdog is "objectively" in the Clinton camp?

I, for one, am tired of the JR vs Circe duel. I have stopped reading their lengthy boilerplate screeds, but I do understand where both are coming from. All I'm asking is that we collectively minimize the polarization on this topic. It doesn't serve the board.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 25 2020 16:30 utc | 341

bevin 318:

... the Jackrabbit view is also that of the corporate Democrats ... Jackrabbit is a constant amplifier of the right wing, anti-populist themes of the Clintonites and the DLC.

What bullcrap. Bevin is throwing shit against the wall .. again.

These are NOT the views of a corporate Democrat:


If Bernie was true to his "Democratic Socialist" principles, he would be DEMANDING that the Party nominate the candidate with the most delegates instead of promoting 'party unity' ' and pledging to support ANY Democratic Party nominee.


... Sanders and Trump don't actually threaten the establishment.


In the primary I would vote for Sanders.

[If Bernie betrays his followers] ... burn down the Democratic Party machine that sells you out.

I would also urge that the formation of an independent Movement ... Only a genuine, independent Movement for Democracy can successfully counter the establishment/Empire mafia.


Obama, Trump, and Bernie are faux-populists offered to us by an establishment that is fundamentally anti-democratic.

The US establishment ideology is Zionist-supremist, neoconservative, and neoliberal. These ideologies promote an attitude of superiority, elite solidarity, and elite adventurism - all at the expense of the people they pretend to care about.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 16:37 utc | 342

The Covid-19 Coronavirus deaths still appear to be overwhelming Asian:

Deaths Total 2707
China 2664
Iran 15
South Korea 11
Italy 7
Diamond Princess 4
Hong Kong 2
Taiwan 1
Japan 1
Taiwan 1
France 1

The only statistic that really stands out is Italy; are those 7 deaths Asian or European? It appears that ethnicity is not included in the released statistics so the (conspiracy?) theory that it is a bio-weapon that targets those of Asian ethnicity will persist.

However, if it turns out that all ethnicities are equally at risk then the US will (in the next few months) be extremely badly affected (yes, I understand that US Asian will be badly affected in either case) and the whole Primary and Presidential election process will be disrupted. I really can't see an election process taking place in the middle of a pandemic?

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 16:47 utc | 343

ADKC 324

No one really knows how long Sanders spent in Israel. My understanding is that just a few months in a Kibbutz would be unusual - especially back then when travel was much more expensive.

Sanders supporters and Sanders himself try to play down any connection to Israel and even any connection to American Jews, who overwhelmingly support Israel. That's suspicious.

They also laud his Civil Rights actions as though he was selflessly acting on behalf of the African-American community. If that's true, why is his black support so low? Where's the support from his life-long black friends from his protesting days? There aren't any. Because he acted along with many others in the Jewish community who saw supporting Black Civil rights was advantageous to the American Jewish community.

In any case, my 'beef' with Sanders isn't really about his Jewish or Israeli connections but about his support for EMPIRE. "Zionism" has become synonymous with support for Empire. Obviously because Israel is a parasite on the Empire - it needs a strong Empire to thrive.

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When asked if he was a Zionist, Sanders coyly responded "What's that".

When asked about what he would do about Palestinian rights Sanders responded that he would sit down and talk with the Israelis - he wouldn't withhold aid or do anything that would actually pressure the Israelis.

Such answers are deceptive and disingenuous.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 16:51 utc | 344

@341 john brewster

What serves the board? Your Ra-ra, hail Trump, King of Israel and Russia? Or are you one of the arm chair generals here who only wants to discuss warfail strategy? This is an open thread. There are other ones here to satisfy you.

Don't compare me with JR, a copy/paste tool, and spam shill for Trump status quo.

Humanity is at a critical precipe and it's too bad for you I'm going to do everything I can to ensure Trump leaves the White House, even if Sanders has to have the power drunk lunatic dragged out kicking and screaming and grabbing ever pillar and post to resist being thrown out.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 16:54 utc | 345

@ 341 john brewster.. i agree... that is a clear example where bevin falls down in what you point out...

Posted by: james | Feb 25 2020 16:54 utc | 346

Piotr Berman @339:

* Sanders not attending AIPAC

* AIPAC does not support the latest peace plan

Couldn't this just be strategic? On certain issues, AIPAC's support increases resistance.

Trump famously told AIPAC that they would love him but they couldn't buy him. That was strategic positioning. He's clearly done everything they wanted from him.

* Expert in Jerusalem Post concluded that Sanders "is not a Zionist"

LOL. Sanders himself has said that he is .. with the caveat that Palestinians be treated fairly - but Sanders would do nothing to actually pressure Israel in support of Palestinian rights.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 17:05 utc | 347

Pft@245 - I'll only emphasize the part about how few people have been tested in the U.S. The CDC criteria, stated another way, for NO TESTING REQUIRED/NO RISK : 1) Did the person travel from China? If they didn't then, 2) Did they have contact with a lab-confirmed case of COVID-19?
Expect the count of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. to explode when state labs are finally able to test whichever patients they want
Posted by: PavewayIV | Feb 25 2020 4:43 utc | 302

I think you are missing the point, PavewayIV. The open secret is that the virus is a nothingburger. It has no medical significance, only political and economic. It is an attack on China, but China has outmanoevered and snookered the US. Both sides know it is medically insignificant, that it is just normal flu, but if the US abide by the propaganda the US will quickly self-destruct through bankruptcy of resources. Therefore they have no choice but to prevent testing. There are probably 10,000 cases already in the US, virtually all trivial just like everywhere else. It is an exceptionally mild flu, the numbers of deaths are miniscule compared to a normal flu. Maybe it was a US bioweapon that went 'wrong' (for the psychopaths; right for humanity).

Singapore had sense, they declared they will treat it as the ordinary flu that it reaally is. Everybody else is pretending. Meanwhile China has the ideal bioweapon practice drill, that will save millions of lives when the US releases a really dangerous one - that is priceless for China.

Most of the dead are apparently already seriously ill from other causes - many of them probably would not have lived much longer without the virus anyway.

Posted by: BM | Feb 25 2020 17:10 utc | 348

You have very poor reading comprehension. I said ZERO about your position. I did not take sides. I am sick of the polarization that BOTH of you bring.

I, for one, am tired of the JR vs Circe duel. I have stopped reading their lengthy boilerplate screeds, but I do understand where both are coming from.

From that single, non-side-taking reference to you, you have invented complete nonsense:

What serves the board? Your Ra-ra, hail Trump, King of Israel and Russia?

?MY? hail Trump... You are serioulsy frothing here. You don't know me. I'm just another target on your radar. If you want me to bother keeping track of your position at all, you would have the courtesy to retract the shoot-from-the-hip, fact-free slander you just made.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 25 2020 17:15 utc | 349

@ben #304
It should be noted that the CDC's 2018 budget was $12.1 billion - and a bit less than half of this spend was on grants to other agencies/companies.
Even the $125M multi-year budget cut is vs. CDC multi-year commitments of $1.6 billion.
Not all of the CDC's spend is on "health" - there are numerous documented grants from the CDC to Planned Parenthood, for example.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2020 17:21 utc | 350

@b4real #329

The article is fine. Read it before making dismissive comments. The plans of the U.S. to destroy Syria to cut off Iran and strengthen Israel are mentioned. Just because the article doesn’t focus on specific personalities like Hillary Clinton, does not mean it’s bad.

Posted by: S | Feb 25 2020 17:25 utc | 351

@Don Wills #334
Have you ever been on a cruise ship?
I have.
I can't imagine a better scenario for infecting the maximum number of people with nCOV than an enclosed space where everyone has to congregate to eat; where the staff don't even have separate sleeping quarters; where the average age of passengers is likely over 60 and where medical care is slim to none.
If only 700 people got infected, that's actually great news. It means less than 20% of the population will catch it even in the worst possible scenario.
The primary reason for caution is because nCOV is new - it still has the potential to mutate; ideally, it can be contained and allowed to fade away.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2020 17:28 utc | 352

Thanks to Jackrabbit at 280 for the link to Craig Murray's important account of the first day of the Assange trial. And thanks also to Craig Murray himself for attending. I highly recommend the read, as it clearly presents a far different account than can be found mainstream. What a travesty this trial is - Murray is right in referring to the Lubyanka atmosphere. I kept thinking of Dostoevski's early life experience with state oppression, considered to have brought on his epileptic tendencies and perhaps, as he himself thought, to the death of his three year old son, Alexei.

Something good did come from that for Dostoevski, but at a great price. He wrote "The Brothers Karamazov".

Be strong, Julian Assange.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 25 2020 17:28 utc | 353

michael egan @327--

Thanks for your reply! The primary point I was aiming at making is that the constant characterization of the Outlaw US Empire being the wealthiest nation on the planet is 100% wrong--but--even if it was correct, look at the massive problems present that should never exist within the wealthiest nation: It's a massive misnomer. As I wrote in my most recent VK Space essay, we have more people in need than in 1937 when FDR made his One-Third of a Nation speech--the population then was 130 million; currently, there're about 100 million that are no longer counted in the labor force despite desiring employment. If 43.3 million constituted a crisis in 1937, 100 million ought to be more than enough for 2-3 crises in 2020. FDR had to radically alter the political-economy to show he was trying to solve the crisis. Sanders proposes alterations that also must be done, but they need to be seen as patriotic and within the initial scheme as proposed by The Founders and set forth in the Constitution. To overpower his opposition, Sanders must frame his proposals as Constitutionally Correct to negate the Socialist Slanders we know will be made even though they're bullshit. FDR framed his speech in a similar manner as I point out in my essay, which torpedoed the naysayers. What FDR caught flack for was his plan to put more judges on the Supreme Court which was nullifying his attempts to solve the crisis. Did he bully the justices? IMO, yes, and they got the message. FDR saw his New Deal and its "automatic stabilizers" as necessary components to make a "more perfect union;" Sanders's "New Deal" must be framed in the same manner as being within the American Tradition of self-improvement to deal with a socio-economic crisis. Take a look at these two graphs from Shadowstats, Unemployment and GDP for an idea of how serious this crisis actually is and how long its festered.

Enacting Sanders economic proposals will bring the USA up to about the same level of social-democracy as exists within most EU nations; so, they can't truly be claimed to be radical, Socialist or Communist. It's time to water the tree of liberty with the blood of Neoliberal freeloaders who are no different from parasites and those who support them, including the small brigade detailed to this website.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2020 17:30 utc | 354

@michael egan #327
If the US isn't the wealthiest, who is? And what is the margin of difference?
I would note, however, that wealth doesn't mean anything regarding average, marginal or oligarchical demographic profiles. It just means that the a wealthy country has the potential means to ameliorate the suffering of its poor whereas a poor country just can't.
Actually doing so is an expression of societal will, and Americans in general seem to lack any sense of class coherence on economic matters.
If you go over to a site like Burning Platform, you'll see within the commenters - a number of people who act/think like South/Central American elites: they don't give a crap about anyone else because they've got theirs. They think that because they have some money, that it is fine that the rest of society devolves into literal chaos, and that everyone else is poor because they're lazy, stupid, whatever.
Personally, my view is that excluding billionaire assets from a country's wealth calculations is a false dichotomy. What matters is the use of the money - regardless of who's name is on it, and that is precisely the difference between sovereign power and private wealth. FDR demonstrated it with the New Deal as well as with his gold confiscation and repricing.
The concern I've always held with Bernie is whether he is FDR or Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2020 17:59 utc | 355

Jackrabbit @344

The problem with your statement that Sanders "acted along with many others in the Jewish community who saw supporting Black Civil rights was advantageous to the American Jewish community" is not that you are implying that Sanders involvement in Civil Rights has been over-stated (the key years of Civil Movement appear to be 1955 to 1964 - when Sanders would have been 14 to 24 years of age). His role may or may not be overstated but you provide no evidence or reasoning; you just give an opinion.

Sanders got involved with Civil Rights because he went to the University of Chicago and got involved in sit-ins, rallies and protests just like a lot of white students did at the time. It is likely he got involved in Civil Rights because that is what his peers did and because he wanted to get laid - like a lot of other white male students did. But no, the reason you give is that of "the self-serving jew" - an anti-semetic trope.

Sanders involvement in Civil Rights and student Political Activitism is on his wiki page. (But, this is 50 years ago - a pimply student has little relevance to the grampy old man of today).

I don't agree that Zionism is the same as the US Empire. I also don't agree that Israel controls the US. I am afraid that I see Israel as an instrument of the US. I know that it is commonplace for many Americans to blame Israel and Zionism for the ills of their country but I'm afraid that's just scapegoating. Israel and Zionism are just tools used by the Empire.

You should give sources to the things that you rely on but the way I see it is that it was totally in order for Sanders to get his interviewer to define what they meant by "Zionism".

Also, Sanders has in Oct 2019 said that the "U.S. Should Withhold Military Aid Unless Israel ‘Fundamentally Changes’ Relationship With Gaza" National Review. It is true that this is not specifically mentioned in his platform. (But, in my view it was always a political mistake to threaten to withhold military aid before talks.)

I am afraid that just like I consider a military person (Michael Fylnn, Tulsi Gabbard) to be best able to deal with the MIC, I also consider that a person of Jewish origin would be best able to deal with Israel. Obviously, you have to trust that person and I do understand that you do not trust Sanders (or Gabbard) - so there is no need to repeat your doubts. My own view is that Sanders is not important, it's why people are voting for him that is important (not future hypothetical fears of betrayal).

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 18:02 utc | 356

John Brewster @349:

I did not take sides. I am sick of the polarization that BOTH of you bring.

The polarization is entirely from the dembots that serve the duopoly which, in turn, serves the Anglo-Zionist Empire. They want to get people emotionally invested in the left vs. right paradigm.

Divide and conquer.

My view of an EMPIRE-centered mafia vs. the People threatens their mind control schemes. It is no accident that Empire, and the ideologies of those that run the Empire, are ignored by politicians and media.

Circe's reaction to you is predictable. As I wrote @305:

... prepare to be called a racist, Zio-fascist Trump supporter who is personally responsible for the end of civilization.

That's how the Democracy Works! & Lesser-Evil scam operates. They will try to force you to comply with their divide and conquer agenda or demonize you.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 18:10 utc | 357

@ Jackrabbit 280

That is a powerful piece you linked to, disclosing the utterly, stupefyingly criminal, deliberate procedural misconduct by the judge and the prosecutor, on top of deliberate mistreatment of Assange himself, even inside the courtroom, followed by totally one-sided "reporting" of the proceedings by the media.

This travesty must be made known to as much of the world as can be reached, by people who care, about Assange, about justice, and about the abuse of power by criminal governments.

Please everyone, distribute this as widely as you are able . . .

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 25 2020 18:16 utc | 358

If we consider private and public debt then the US is a far poorer country that, for example, Russia.

Africa produces huge wealth - it is just all extracted and only debt left in its place. Africa would be a very different place and all its citizens would be well looked after if it's wealth was not extracted.

So the problem that Trump has (and any future President, like Sanders) is that when they start to unravel the military deployments and implement fair economic relations with other Countries the entire US financial Ponzi scheme collapses. Didn't Trump give the game away to paraphrase "we're leaving but we're keeping the oil."

American relies on extracting resources and wealth from the non-integrating GAP Countries - "How to Know If America Is Your Enemy" - Eric Zuesse (Strategic Culture).

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 18:21 utc | 359

ADKC @356--

What also must be understood is the very strong anti-Jewish sentiment within the Outlaw US Empire was only recently overcome, say mid 1980s. So, Jewish support for human and civil rights for blacks was also doing the same for themselves. Recall during the late 1940s into the 1950s that being Jewish was often deemed equivalent to being Communist, particularly if you were employed in government. Check this out:

"American anti-Semitism is as old as America itself. For decades, American Jews have faced social discrimination, acts of vandalism against sacred spaces, and, in recent years, social-media harassment—and the number of reported anti-Semitic incidents has risen dramatically since 2016. Fatal attacks against American Jews have been far less common than these other forms of discrimination. And yet American history is full of episodes of physical violence against Jews and Jewish institutions. What follows is a list, far from comprehensive, of some of the many violent attacks targeting Jews in recent history."

Being Jewish and involved in civil rights was deemed natural for the reasons explained in the citied article and were the norm, not the unusual.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2020 18:32 utc | 360

- Alistair Crooke made one important point in his article that should be emphasized A LOT more. A point that received WAY too little attention in the entire article. He should have emphasized one development that is much much more important than people think. Crooke only mentioned this point in passing.
- And that's the fact that in the entire Middle East and north Africa there has been a giant growth in population since say the year 1950. In some regions the population keeps growing at a high rate. That means that in some countries 50% percent of the population is younger than 30 years old. In some regions/countries the population is even younger than 20 years old (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt (???), ........ ).
- I only know of one country that has VOLUNTARY chnaged its demographic policy and that country is IRAN.
- This growth of the population is a timebomb under the stability of the entire Middle East and North Africa. And I am NOT convinced that the US will be able to influence demographic developments in the Middle East & North Africa in a meaningful way.

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 25 2020 18:34 utc | 361

Who here lives in a country that owns brand new telecom sat that is actualy a spy sat for the Saudi, and ...wait for it ...the Mossad! (against Russia, Iran and maaaaybe China?
Raises hand.
Here's something relevant:
Norwegians broadband SATs, are actually disguised US Navy broadband com network that covers entire north pole area:
Search YouTube: "NATO's Arctic War unites climate change and WWIII"

You know what else?
NATO likes the caves in Norway.. Also climate change means ...ionospheric heaters, if you have "climate change" and caves crawling with US army, what do you really have? Tactical Reconnaissance launch points against Russia...

Amirite captn?

Yet... There's no place like Arcadia damn it!

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 25 2020 18:43 utc | 362

I think I'll trust the judgment of a powerful activist in the black community on Bernie Sanders' integrity before I trust troll, uninformed loser spin and smear.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 18:44 utc | 363

@ S | Feb 25 2020 17:25 utc | 351

"Read it before making dismissive comments."


Actually, I made myself read it through although it was readily apparent that the article you linked to was a narrative filled with speculation and supposition that (perhaps) the powers that be would have us entertain as being true.

I actually thought the author must be being paid by the word or under some other sort of editorial constraint as the writing seemed extremely forced as he rehashed multiple unproven theories of the origins of the Syrian conflict.


Posted by: b4real | Feb 25 2020 18:52 utc | 364

karlof1 @360

So all those white people in Civil Rights marches were jews, were they?????

Or was it just that only the non-Jewish white people had altruistic motives for attending Civil Rights marches????

And of course, the Student Activism of Sanders wasn't just Civil Rights it also included anti-war, conscientious objection, union organisation - tell me how the jews benefited from that????

Anti-semitic claptrap!

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 18:57 utc | 365

@Qparticle #362
There's nothing new about US Navy satellites being used for other purposes.
Brazilians have been using them for CB radio comms for 20+ years now

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2020 18:58 utc | 366

Listen to the Intercepted Podcast: We are not your firewall!

Click on podcast audio on The Intercept article.

We are not your firewall

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 19:03 utc | 367

Apologies if I missed a previous link - Michael Hudson has an essay at today, from which this:

"...I could not come up with a solution that does not involve dismantling and restructuring the existing party system. We have passed beyond the point of having a solvable “problem” with the Democratic National Committee (DNC). That is what a quandary is. A problem has a solution – by definition. A quandary does not have a solution. There is no way out. The conflict of interest between the Donor Class and the Voting Class has become too large to contain within a single party. It must split..."

His suggestion for Sanders is to return to the "We are the 99%" theme - which is what will be needed for him to overcome the quandary situation. I don't think that is going to happen unless he breaks free of the problems that have frequently been raised here with regard to foreign policy. It's not enough to rail against the oligarchy. Oligarchy only survives on militarism, which is foreign policy run amok.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 25 2020 19:17 utc | 368

From CNN: The Dow has lost 1,700 points in two days as coronavirus fears continue

This seems like a good time to review the "Rules of Investing", hehe:

Rule 1: Don't Panic.

Rule 2: Panic First!

Rule 1 is for small-time investors that still believe they can grab the brass ring. Rule 2 is for the banksters that run the ponzi scheme.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 25 2020 19:20 utc | 369

This article is describes the reasons for Bernie Sanders’ 1963 Arrest on a Civil Rights protest when he was only 21 years of age (includes video of Sanders being arrested):

The Story Behind Bernie Sanders’s 1963 Arrest

Speech by Sanders about his involvement in Civil Rights in Chicago (includes photos of Sanders with back and white protestors):

"Bernie & Civil Rights in Chicago"

The more I research this the more disgusted I am that some commentators would minimise Sanders involvement or just pass it off as being the actions of a "self-serving Jew" (an anti-Semitic trope).

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 19:30 utc | 370

ADKC @356:

you are implying that Sanders involvement in Civil Rights has been over-stated

No, I'm suggesting that his involvement shows a deeper connection to the American Jewish community than Bernie admits to and that this indicates that Bernie's support for the EMPIRE is genuine.

It is likely he got involved in Civil Rights because that is what his peers did and because he wanted to get laid ...

Well now YOU are speculating. Surely there are other ways to get laid.

I think your use of "peers" is misleading. Sanders inclination to participate in the Civil Rights Movement was probably formed at Brooklyn College and the Brooklyn community that he grew up in. AFAICT, these had very strong Jewish communities.

It's his Jewish peers that maybe were more important in his thinking than the diverse group of students at University of Chicago.

... "the self-serving jew" - an anti-semetic trope.

Why would "self-serving" be anti-semetic? Every group is "self-serving", isn't it?

This smear doesn't address the core of my claim: Sanders time on a Kibbutz in Israel and his participation in Civil Rights - along with many other jews - indicate a connection to Israel and American Jews (who largely support Israel).

Sanders acknowledges such a connection (he can really deny it) but plays it down - as does his supporters.

And why do I think this is important? NOT because I'm against Jews or against Israel but because Jewish Zionists are one of the most - if not THE most - proponents and supporters of the Empire. An Empire that adopted Zionism as rallying cry and litmus test.

50 years ago - a pimply student has little relevance to the grampy old man of today

First you defend his participation in the Civil Rights Movement, then you play it down?

What's important about Sanders' early years is the extent to which it reveals who he really is. Sander's supporters point to his Civil Rights participation to show that he is an "authentic" progressive. I'm just filling out the picture a bit and thereby revealing that his support for the EMPIRE is also "authentic".

I don't agree that Zionism is the same as the US Empire. I also don't agree that Israel controls the US.... Israel and Zionism are just tools used by the Empire.

Once again you imply that my views are based on or informed by anti-semetic tropes.

But I don't see Zionism as "the same as US Empire" and I don't believe that "Israel controls the US."

Sanders has in Oct 2019 said that the "U.S. Should Withhold Military Aid Unless Israel ‘Fundamentally Changes’ Relationship With Gaza" National Review.

I saw a later interview (in January 2020, I think) where, when pressed, he only said that he would "sit down" and "discuss" Palestinian rights but didn't say that he would withhold any funds from Israel.

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Jewish participation in the Civil Rights Movement is well known and easy to find in a quick internet search:

Jews and the Civil Rights Movement

During the Civil Rights Movement, Jewish activists represented a disproportionate number of whites involved in the struggle. Jews made up half of the young people who participated in the Mississippi Freedom Summer in 1964.

Jews in the Civil Rights Movement

One black leader in Mississippi es­timated that, in the 1960s, the critical decade of the voter-registration drives, “as many as 90 percent of the civil rights lawyers in Mississippi were Jewish.”


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 19:33 utc | 371

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 16:47 utc | 343

"I really can't see an election process taking place in the middle of a pandemic?"

The validity of that sentence sent cold chills down my back.

Posted by: naiverealist | Feb 25 2020 19:43 utc | 372

Trailer Trash @370--

Decided to catch up with the Keiser Report backlog I'd allowed to accumulate since the markets are down big again. The one I'm currently watching seems to be somewhat prophetic as Max's making lots of sense. It would be comedy if it wasn't so pointedly real and impactful, The addiction metaphor used is more than apt. Way too much to cite!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2020 19:54 utc | 373

Eight negative arguments smearing China’s virus fight must be refuted

Everybody here should read this.

Posted by: vk | Feb 25 2020 19:58 utc | 374

Jackrabbit @372

You particularly accused Sanders and Jews as being self-serving in the Civil Rights movement. Now you try to excuse yourself by saying everyone is self-serving.

I provided you with information about the Kibbutz and the organisation that ran it. You don't have to speculate as to its nature - I have already told you, now do some proper research.

The idea that "Zionism" is Empire, that Isreal/Jews control the US Empire is anti-Semitic.

I have already told you that the threat to withhold military aid to Israel is not included in Sanders' platform - have you a comprehension problem?

I would imagine that a significant number of white students at the University of Chicago (and other universities) were in some way involved in the Civil Rights movement in some way - not just (or, even, disproportionately) Jewish students. (However, it may be the case that Jewish people were disproportionately represented among the student body as whole but I doubt that this would be particularly noticeable).

You think you're being clever:- you start your post by saying that people only get involved in the Civil Rights movement for self-serving reasons, and finish your post by selective quotations from a Jewish Group (trying to promote - and big-up - Jewish involvement in the Civil Rights movement) claiming a disproportionate amount of Jewish involvement and, hey presto, the reason for the involvement of Jews in the Civil Rights movement was only because they were "self-serving"! Doubling down on anti-Semitism, way to go!

Perhaps you could have pointed out the start of the article you linked:- "Judaism teaches respect for the fundamental rights of others as each person's duty to God"

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 25 2020 20:14 utc | 375

@b4real #364

I apologize for assuming you haven’t read it.

The article certainly doesn’t jump right in and say: “the Empire did it”. But isn’t that a good thing? A left-wing Westerner who has been brainwashed by the MSM simply wouldn’t read anything that started with “Assad is bravely defending his country against a jihadi invasion engineered by the West, the Gulf countries and Turkey”. I though the article did a good job at gently planting a seed of doubt in the mainstream narrative. That’s why I said it would be a good article to share with someone who is on the fence.

But maybe I’m totally off here and you’re right. Can you please provide a specific example of how the article muddies the waters? Also, can you please recommend a better article on the beginning of the war? Thank you.

Posted by: S | Feb 25 2020 20:16 utc | 376

Trouble for Biden in South Carolina. Not surprising.

Sanders surpasses Biden among African American voters; Bloomberg support dips: Reuters/Ipsos poll

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders has widened his lead for the Democratic presidential nomination and overtaken Joe Biden in support among African Americans - a voting bloc that until now has largely favored the former vice president, according to a Reuters/Ipsos national poll released on Tuesday.

The result could spell trouble for Biden, the one-time frontrunner who has lagged behind the field after the first few Democratic nominating contests. To remain a viable contender, Biden has been banking on a strong showing in Saturday’s South Carolina primary, a state where black voters make up more than half of the Democratic electorate.

The Reuters/Ipsos poll, conducted Feb. 19-25, also showed that support for billionaire media mogul Michael Bloomberg slipped by 2 percentage points after the former New York City mayor faced intense scrutiny from other candidates last week in his first debate as a presidential candidate.[.]

The poll showed Sanders’ lead over the rest of the field has grown in each of the last three weeks, hitting double digits for the first time in the latest survey.

He also has increased his share of support from African Americans in the latest poll. When asked which candidate they would support in their state’s nominating contest, 26% said they would vote for Sanders, up 7 points from a previous reading conducted Jan. 29-Feb. 19.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 25 2020 20:53 utc | 377

Financial Conquistadores robbing you of your wealth are soon going to get theirs too as we learn from this Keiser Report, which provides a very telling chart depicting the velocity of money and how it peaked at the Dot.Com crash during Bill Clinton's reign and has declined for the most part ever since. Hudson goes on about no money being put into the real economy, and that's exactly what you see on that chart. Also becoming a theme with Max and Stacey is what they're calling a financial virus which will eventually cause the entire Neoliberal Ponzi Scheme to collapse. (A note about watching the show. I usually just watch the first half as the interview in the 2nd half is usually not related to what I'll call the first half's hard news. So, at the midpoint, I usually move on to the next episode.)

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2020 20:54 utc | 378

@Qparticle #368
The oceans are a really big place. Whether sub or surface vessel, you need comma. Radio is basically line of sight.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 25 2020 21:04 utc | 379

The Coronavirus epidemic seems way too perfect way of enforcing US sanctions on China, Irán and European countries trading with them...Just the perfect way to shut up commerce with China, Irán, and now also Italy, the first European country who signed to join the New Silk Road...

Also it seems a new Plan Condor 2.0 for extermination of socialist people/ideas, plus whole and renewed demonization of them, this time the middle ages style ( as it is already being done through US MSM, especialy "Voice of the CIA" - NYT ), since, so far, the epicentres of infections are located at transport and industrial hub Wuhan/Hubei province in China, craddle of religious Iranian leadership and technological hub, Qom, and wealthiest region in Italy which recently voted a leftist government and helped to secure central socialdemocrat government in Italy against far-right ...

Way too perfect storm, eventhough economic effects could be felt along the whole world including the US. The elites there are willing to lose some trillions if it is to bury the current socialist wave and New Silk Road project, all the more if they then can recover "the loses" by selling us all the mandatory vaccine to their beforehand patented Coronavirus...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Feb 25 2020 21:11 utc | 380

The TSLA crash/burn situation is reminiscient of the Boing/MAX.

They (gov) are now rebranding real-time as "partially automated driving system".
So the crashing part is fault of driver not machine.
So it drives itself but you are expected to take control as needed.

The annoying part is (aside from the crashing and death) that the gov provides cover for criminally incompetent industry. Who in right mind would sell a self-driving car (never mind sit in one).

Posted by: jared | Feb 25 2020 21:19 utc | 381

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 16:19 utc | 338

Circe, this link might be preferred
It's YT rather than TW

Pete Obama clone

Posted by: xLemming | Feb 25 2020 21:22 utc | 382

Like it or hate it, Bernie Sanders, ordinary, rumpled, ĺovable, genuine Jewish curmudgeon, is the right man for a massively messy job at the precise time in history.

I've always stated that it's going to take a Jew to neuter the power of the corrupt oligarch system that rules over people and democracy against the interests of all on this planet.

Bernie gets it, he knows that power structure. He was in the House, and now the Senate as an OUTSIDER waiting patiently for the right moment to pounce.

He's authentic and all people living under the oppression of the ruling plutocracy are equal to him: Black, white, brown, man, woman and child.

The man in this twitter video has the gift of unleashing REAL power and he's the only one who can do it, DEFEAT TRUMP. (Turn on volume bottom right corner of video and FEEL that energy.)

President Bernie Sanders-The moment of POWER


Bernie Sanders, yes, a Jew...el among millions, will smash all the golden sacred cows of the powerful and give power back to people EVERYWHERE. And I'm going to savour every minute of it.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 21:23 utc | 383

Assange's Extradition show Day 2 -

US Intel 'Plotted to Kidnap, Poison' Assange, Make It 'Look Like Accident', Court Hears

US spies plotted to kidnap and poison Julian Assange with the help of covert Spanish detectives, his extradition hearing has heard, the Daily Mail reported, citing his QC and saying that the operation inside the premises of the Ecuadorian embassy was supposed to look like an "accident."

As Kristinn Hrafnsson, Wikileaks' chief editor, pointed out, "it was chilling" to hear the revelation that the "the door was left open" so that the US agents "could kidnap him [Julian Assange] in the embassy." "It shows how highly politicised the case is, where nothing is sacred," the journalist commented. "It also indicates [...] how far the superpower and its agencies are willing to go to actually apprehend Julian," Hrafnsson summed up.[.]

Julian's defence team should remind the court that recently
Pompeo confirmed what the nice Langley guys and gals do with their skill sets: Lie, Cheat and steal. We had entire training courses."
He kept silent on "the guiding hand" - experiments and wet work" - such as 'Operation Condor'

Covert operations, ousting democratically elected governments, inciting revolts and supporting transnational companies are run of the mill actions for the CIA.

United States Secretary of State and former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director (2017 - 2018), Mike Pompeo, admitted to an audience from Texas A&M University on April 15, that the agency especially trains employees to “lie, cheat and steal.” [.]

It was a rather honest yet disconcerting thing to say, three days after (April 12) a new batch of declassified information from the U.S. government shows the extent of the 1970s ‘Operation Condor,’ in which South American dictators systematically tortured and killed dissidents in the region. [.]

in the age of technology, you "think" can run from data but you cannot hide.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 25 2020 21:24 utc | 384

ADKC @376

You're trying to turn valid questions about Bernie's campaign into accusations of antisemitism.

You particularly accused Sanders and Jews as being self-serving in the Civil Rights movement. Now you try to excuse yourself by saying everyone is self-serving.

It's just commonsense that groups are self-serving. Individuals can act selflessly at times but groups act to benefit the group.

I've explained that many of the same racists that hated Blacks also hated Jews. That is a fact.

I've also said that Jews, as a group, were proponents of the Civil Rights Movement and a large number took an active part. That is another fact. And Jews are rightly proud of that.

Was Bernie's participation in Civil Rights influenced by universal principles or by his connection to the Jewish community? Well, maybe some of both. But what's import TODAY is to what extend Benie's connection to the Jewish Community might be reason to suspect that he is PRO-EMPIRE.

My thesis is that the overriding distinguishing feature of US elites is their support for the EMPIRE elite thinking is infused with ideologies that promote Empire-building over the interests of the people.

The idea that "Zionism" is Empire, that Isreal/Jews control the US Empire is anti-Semitic.

And once again: I'm not making any such assertion.

I would imagine that a significant number of white students at the University of Chicago ...

I think UC student body make-up is really unimportant for this discussion.

... finish your post by selective quotations from a Jewish Group (trying to promote - and big-up - Jewish involvement in the Civil Rights movement) claiming a disproportionate amount of Jewish involvement ...

WTF? Jews were disproportionately represented and are rightly proud of their participation.

[Instead of suggesting that'... the reason for the involvement of Jews in the Civil Rights movement was only because they were "self-serving"! ... Perhaps you could have pointed out the start of the article you linked:- "Judaism teaches respect for the fundamental rights of others as each person's duty to God"

Christianity has a similar dictum. The Golden Rule: "do unto others".

If you're trying to say that Jewish participation was motivated predominately by their religious teachings and not by group interest then you'll have to explain why white Christians failed to act on a similar, strongly-held religious belief.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 21:34 utc | 385

@ S | Feb 25 2020 20:16 utc | 377

Apology gratefully accepted and to be honest, I was offended by that remark.

Also, please note, that a left-wing brain washed westerner is most likely not going to read anything longer than two, maybe three paragraphs.

Without going back to look at the article, it bothered me when he related three maybe four different versions of the initial events in Darraa(sp) in regard to kids writing graffiti on a wall, and claims of the different government forces initially involved and the fate of the teenagers; which were all denied by Assad. I thought, this guy is throwing everything up against the wall and seeing what will stick. The article, (in my view) continued along in this vein.

Knowing that U.S. has had a hard on for Syria as expressed by Wesley Clark years ago, the forest I referred to with my comment was in reference to the narrative that the government has been pushing in regard to Syria which is the obfuscation of the role the U.S. played in creating this disaster. Giving credit where credit is due, the author did reference U.S. sentiments going back to I think about 2006 with regard to Syria's fate. Again, he kinda rambled about different timeframes which had no direct correlation to the actual start of the war. I thought he must have to have 5k word article by deadline or something.

The tree I referenced with my remark was that Obama and Hillary, regardless of the previously mentioned wishes of the U.S., put into action the arming of the imported rebels and are responsible for the destruction and loss of life that has resulted.

I don't think I claimed the article muddied the waters, because I don't think I will ever know what actually transpired, but what I do know is that ISIS is a U.S. creation. It is a matter of record John McCain and other U.S. government officials were in Syria pleading for U.S. to arm these 'moderate' rebels who were in reality blood thirsty mercenaries. Any article that attempts to tell the origins of this Syrian war which ignores obvious, publicly available facts is not muddying the waters, it is being inherently dishonest.

I won't recommend an article on the beginning of the war, because what I will do, is load up qwant and pick something suitable and post the link, but the truth is not in any one article. I would suggest reading Syrian Perspective, Pepe Escobar, Canthama, EJ Majnier or (best option is to search here at MOA, cuz b is reliable also and mega links in comments) with particular attention to what Lavrov has had to say over the years to find something close to the truth.

For entertainment only, what I think happened is that U.S. was butt hurt after having to leave Iraq and decided to teach them a lesson by directing and enabling their terrorist proxies (whom U.S. have been using since the Carter era) Al Qaeda to build up in Iraq. Obama/Hillary along with others support decided to extend and expand the operation into Syria and kill two birds with one stone.

Yeah, lets do that.

I don't know if you are totally off, and I don't know if I am totally right. That water will always be muddy, my only objection to the article you posted was that he was expanding a narrative while ignoring the obvious.

Be good and I appreciate your civility.


Posted by: b4real | Feb 25 2020 21:41 utc | 386

"The best thing you can do is to die for Mike Bloomberg." Yes, that was from today's Keiser Report, which also provides another half-dozen witticisms. Actually, a number of the themes/topics discussed in this episode we discuss here constantly.

In Hudson's newest essay, he posits as I did a few days ago that the DNC will again commit election fraud by meddling with its own convention so Bloomberg can buy the nomination:

"This could be thought of as 'election interference' – not from Russia but from the DNC on behalf of its Donor Class. That scenario would make the Democrats’ slogan for 2020 'No Hope or Change.' That is, no change from today’s economic trends that are sweeping wealth up to the One Percent."

Dr. Hudson provides some excellent prose in detailing our dilemma while showing this isn't the first time. As do many of us, he sees it quite likely Milwaukee 2020 could become Chicago 1968. And like many of us, he sees our dilemma as a quandary, not as a problem--the difference is huge: the latter has a solution, the former doesn't. Both Hudson and Max Keiser are explaining the same things but in differing ways; I understand both, but Hudson's likely to be better understood because he has more time to explain. Both explain this but differently:

"Language is being crafted to confuse voters into imagining that their interest is the same as that of the Donor Class of rentiers, creditors and financialized corporate businesses and rent-extracting monopolies. The aim is to divert attention from voters’ own economic interest as wage-earners, debtors and consumers. It is to confuse voters not to recognize that without structural reform, today’s 'business as usual' leaves the One Percent in control."

Hudson addresses the mixed economy issue discussed earlier in this thread:

"I think that Sanders is using the red-letter word 'socialism' and calling himself a 'democratic socialist' to throw down the ideological gauntlet and plug himself into the long and powerful tradition of socialist politics. Paul Krugman would like to call himself a social democrat. But the European parties of this name have discredited this label as being centrist and neoliberal. Sanders wants to emphasize that a quantum leap, a phase change is in order."

As with myself, Hudson only sees one way out of the quandary: Sanders must win big so he can win on the first ballot, But he also points out the remaining candidates are willing to let Trump win again:

"A second-ballot super-delegate scenario would mean that we are once again in for a second Trump term. That option was supported by five of the six presidential contenders on stage in Nevada on Wednesday, February 20. When Chuck Todd asked whether Michael Bloomberg, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar would support the candidate who received the most votes in the primaries (now obviously Bernie Sanders), or throw the nomination to the super-delegates held over from the Obama-Clinton neoliberals (75 of whom already are said to have pledged their support to Bloomberg), each advocated “letting the process play out.” That was a euphemism for leaving the choice to the Tony-Blair style leadership that have made the Democrats the servants’ entrance to the Republican Party. Like the British Labour Party behind Blair and Gordon Brown, its role is to block any left-wing alternative to the Republican program on behalf of the One Percent."

I'm pleased that Michael Hudson wrote his essay as the short, choppy audio interview he did about Bernie's Chances was of very poor quality. Like me, he presents the realities. Circe will be happy that he too says that a vote for anyone other than Sanders is a vote for Trump. I still think Sanders can boost his appeal and blunt his opponents by showing how his proposals mesh with The Founders Ideals as expressed in the Preamble and by FDR's 1937 speech. Another valid question is can the 99% hold out until 2024 if Trump wins? And if so, what to do then?

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 25 2020 22:08 utc | 387

60 minutes interview (2 days ago): Bernie doesn't want to talk about "personal stuff", says he's a private person. WTF? he's running for President and has been a politician for over 20 years.

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June 2019 interview with CBS: Bernie on Israel-Palestine

  • Asserts that he supports Israel's right to exist in peace and security (code for regional domination?)

  • Decrys the poverty of Palestinians (but doesn't assert their right to a state with similar guarantees of "peace and security");

  • Q: Would he withhold aid to Israel if they annexed the West Bank? Dodges the "West Bank" part of the question and says he'd make US aid conditional on treating the Palestinian people "with respect" (rather vague). He'd work with Israel to ensure that it happens (so Israel's view of what it means to treat Palestinians "with respect" is considered?)

I'm not sure how Bernie's views differ from other US politicians. Biden, Warren, Trump would all say that they want Israel to treat the Palestinians "with respect". The threat to withhold aid is so vague as to be meaningless.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 25 2020 22:17 utc | 388

These are the injustices Bernie is fighting to end.

People power be with you in your fight tonight, Bernie! Watch this powerful video.

Buttigieg is not fighting for anyone but his own prestige. He has not come clean regarding his treatment of black people in South Bend as mayor. If he neglected and hurt blacks in his town as mayor then he is not fit or qualified for the Presidency.

A Black South Bend Councilman exposes WEASEL Pete.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 22:28 utc | 389

If somebody already mention this I do apologise, but it looks to me that they are 'pulling down' the ponzi scheme system of the whole west in front of our very eyes with this 'virus' business.
I reckon we will find out within 2-3 months. Just started a new career in tourism area 6 months back, did look like a good idea...
It will happen SUDDENLY!!

Posted by: Paco2 | Feb 25 2020 22:45 utc | 390

Credibility of European Court of Human Rights lies in ruins after judges’ links to Soros revealed

Europe was always a farce. Only third-worlders with an inferiority complex buy into the "Europe is culture" thing.


European borders remain open, as Italian coronavirus outbreak kills 11 & infects HUNDREDS

Lucky for Europe it is not nearly as densely populated as China and the Alps form a natural barrier that separates Italy from the rest of Europe, but this could be a problem.

Posted by: vk | Feb 25 2020 23:16 utc | 391

@b4real #387

Thank you for your detailed answers, and again, my apologies for making an unjust remark. The article was recommended by Eva Bartlett during her recent lecture in London (the full list of articles recommended by Eva can be found in the description below the video). I still think it’s a good article. In my view, the author quotes MSM not to repeat the falsehoods, but to point out the contradictions. I guess I shouldn’t have called it a “refresher”, as the article only sheds light on certain aspects of the beginning of the war—it’s not an all-encompassing account by any measure. It’s interesting that we have such strongly differing opinions about the author.

Posted by: S | Feb 25 2020 23:52 utc | 392

Aaaahhh, no wonder Pete Buttigieg mistreated blacks in South Bend.

This is priceless!

Bernie, don't worry; you're right, and in GREAT company!

Buttigieg hates your success!

We got your back. PEOPLE POWER.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 25 2020 23:57 utc | 393


Some good points.

First off, China is the source of the virus. In a country of 1.4 billion, after 3 months they have 70,000 confirmed cases, (1/20,000 people). Thats 0.005% of the population. Of course in Hubei its about 1/1000 people (0.1%)

Put another way, if Americans were infected at the same rate in China , there would be 20,000 infections (300,000 at hubei levels), 400 (6000 hubei levels) deaths, and perhaps 4000 (60,000 hubei levels) serious pneumonia cases spread through 50 states. It would not be concentrated as in Hubei as visitors/citizens from China arrive from all over. Wuhan was a transportation hub for China, so it would not be localized. That said, even using worst case (hubei levels) compare the numbers with CDC flu estimates.

Even in Chinas first 6 weeks the virus infected only 41 people. Perhaps because China insisted that only those who visited the Wuhan Seafood market or had close contact with someone there (despite 1/3 of infected patients never having been there) . It was not until January 17th that China expanded the definition and tested more people. Thats when cases exploded. CDC test policy seems more reasonable by comparison.

However, even with the explosion in deaths and hospitalizations from the new virus , they were a fraction of the usual numbers from pneumonia each flu season. Case fatality was slightly higher than flu but thats probably because only serious cases were tested.

An interesting side note is patients with pneumonia were being turned away and denied treatment if they tested negative. One reason for this is under Chinas health insurance system patients need to pay 50% of the cost, while China waived the fees if patients tested positive. Also, the policy of isolation reduced the number of beds and limited capacity to handle the needs of a normal flu season.

Another interesting issue is the validity of the test. In the real world extensive testing of new methods are conducted against control groups to establish sensitivity (false negatives) and specificity (false positives). In the rush to market corners were cut. We don't know the validity of these tests . While false negatives have been in the news its equally likely there are many false positives as well. Given the seriousness of a false positive (isolation and/or quarantine) you only want to test people most likely to have been exposed.

Another thing is people recover from the virus like they do with colds and . flu. A positive antibody test in a patient with no symptoms may just mean the patient recovered from a similar virus at some point and is most likely not infectious. The PCR test gets around that but is more expensive and takes more time to conduct, and the validity is not well established.

As for being in the ICU with viral pneumonia, I am not sure how important it is to know its the coronavirus. The treatment will be the same most likely. Insurance companies only pay out for established tests and procedures, not experimental procedures. Oxygen, respirators and antivirals are the mainstay of any ICU treatment for viral pneumonia.

There is also a racial aspect to the infection. Authorities have been careful not yo breakdown numbers outside China by race. We simply don’t know how it spreads among non-Chinese/Asian populations. SARS seemed to have an affinity for Chinese since according to some studies Chinese have more ACE2 in their lung cells which act as a receptor for the spike protein of Covid-2019. Add to that less pollution and lower population density.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 26 2020 0:03 utc | 394

Jackrabbit @ 357

Circe's reaction to you is predictable...prepare to be called a racist, Zio-fascist Trump supporter

I have to admit you nailed that prediction. I also note that you responded reasonably, to my first post; whereas Circe went nuclear, and has yet to repsond to my second.

I think you deserve a response.

The polarization is entirely from the dembots that serve the duopoly which, in turn, serves the Anglo-Zionist Empire. They want to get people emotionally invested in the left vs. right paradigm.

As I said, I understand your POV; and I'm definitely in the "this is all theater" camp...up to a point. I have forgotten exactly where you stand, but I'm in agreement with the folks who say that whether he intends to or not, Bernie has energized and organized people who see through the corporatist Dem BS.

When its time to vote in the primary, I will vote for Bernie. But my attitude is that my vote is like a free lottery ticket - with about as much chance of me getting anything for my vote as it is me winning millions in the Powerball. But, as long as they don't shut him down, Bernie is moving the (fictitious) Overton Window. The more they hammer him as a "communist" and dredge up 30 year old shit about Castro and the Soviet Union, the more people see what an absolute farce the corporate media is. (As FAIR lampooned: Bernie plunges to first place.) Too bad Bernie won't go anywhere near Julian Assange, but I'm sure Bernie's been warned not to touch that third rail.

I am with you that its the 99% vs the 1%, and that all the identity politics is to get people to ignore the economic reality and to pick either Trump (right) or corporatist Dem (fake left).


Just MHO, you would save yourself some stomach lining (and generate more goodwill) if you didn't try to bat down each and every misreprenation in each and every critical post. Regulars here know what the sides are in you vs. Circe. They've probably already made up their minds. By taking up just as much of our collective mindshare as him/her, you make yourself equally annoying. Why don't you just pull a Reagan and say "There you go again." and move on?

Because the fight is as much about image as it is about debating points. That old saw "never pick a fight with an ugly person, they have nothing to lose." comes to mind.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 26 2020 0:25 utc | 395

African Americans should know that, Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Biden each have a history of undermining the rights of black people. Tonight they will use Bernie's comments on Castro's literacy program to demonize Bernie and get your vote through fear-mongering.

People in South Africa know who helped them in their struggle for freedom and a better life and who helped imperial forces oppressing them.

Learn the truth from Africans themselves.

Bernie is for elevating all black people to full equality and justice and lifting people out of poverty and despair. Bernie Sanders, MLK, Mandela -- same dream.

The candidates of the plutocracy want to snatch this election from the only candidate who really cares about ALL diverse people and has a movement of millions ready to mobilize energy to defeat Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 0:32 utc | 396

ADKC @371

Good videos.



Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 26 2020 0:39 utc | 397

In 2008, Obama enjoyed similar amounts of cheering and adulation from his flock of boosters AND from the Democrat Party Establishment. Compare that with what we see today as Bernie Sanders commands even more fervently active and more numerous people to his tent BUT the Democrat Establishment is doing its utmost as it also did in 2016 to derail his candidacy. What does that tell us about Obama that we don't now after the fact already know? It tells us that when the Establishment is aligned with the people in supporting a candidate that person doesn't have the public's interest at heart as the Establishment's already bought him/her which is why it doesn't oppose. In other words, if the Establishment players support a candidate, that candidate will NOT work to advance the interests of the 99%; that candidate will work to advance the 1% which is always at the expense of the 99%. The formula is that simple and overt. I cited the following observation by Dr. Hudson and I do so again to prove that only Sanders has the interests of the 99% in his heart as the others all sided with the Establishment:

"A second-ballot super-delegate scenario would mean that we are once again in for a second Trump term. That option was supported by five of the six presidential contenders on stage in Nevada on Wednesday, February 20. When Chuck Todd asked whether Michael Bloomberg, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar would support the candidate who received the most votes in the primaries (now obviously Bernie Sanders), or throw the nomination to the super-delegates held over from the Obama-Clinton neoliberals (75 of whom already are said to have pledged their support to Bloomberg), each advocated 'letting the process play out.' That was a euphemism for leaving the choice to the Tony-Blair style leadership that have made the Democrats the servants’ entrance to the Republican Party. Like the British Labour Party behind Blair and Gordon Brown, its role is to block any left-wing alternative to the Republican program on behalf of the One Percent."

The world's in a pickle. It needs a drastic change in direction of the global political-economy, but that change needs to be led, orchestrated, by the Outlaw US Empire having a new leader capable of no longer being an Outlaw. The only person capable of starting that process is Bernie Sanders despite his imperfections. Thus who becomes POTUS is important for everyone on the planet, not just the 99% residing within the Outlaw US Empire. The enemy system exported by the Outlaw US Empire--Neoliberalism--needs to be fought and ousted from every nation its infected. That's how the rest of the world's people can participate in the POTUS election. Fight for your right to be free from debt; fight for your right to govern yourself and your communities; fight for the health of the planet, your communities and yourselves. Remember, Socialism is about community and worker justice, love and solidarity; it's not about tyrannical control--that's Neoliberalism, and also Barbarism. Neoliberalism leads to slavery, to debt peonage. Socialism leads to freedom and tranquility of the soul--enlightenment. Yes, the stakes are about as high as they can get. This is The Political Fight We The People MUST Win!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 26 2020 0:43 utc | 398

Jackrabbit @386

I have not objected to your comments about Sanders being a sheep-dog (although, I have noticed that you have begun sheep-dogging for Sanders), I do not object to your concerns about Sanders accepting the outcome when he was cheated in 2016 or your concerns that it may happen again in 2020. Specifically, I am objecting to your woolly accusation of Sanders being a "Zionist", minimising his Civil Rights involvement both in terms of what he did and because he was a Jew and Jews being self-serving.

Firstly, is not commonsense that groups and individuals are self-serving – that is just a matter of ideology. And advancing that argument destroys your own position because you would, by your own logic, merely be attacking Sanders for your own self-serving reasons. (To deny this would be logically inconsistent and defeat your whole argument.)

Now you say, “Was Bernie's participation in Civil Rights influenced by universal principles or by his connection to the Jewish community? Well, maybe some of both.” but when you started this unpleasant thread @305 you said, “Sanders activism was for the Jewish community much more than it was for the black community.” Have you moderated your position or just forgotten what you stated earlier?

It hardly matters to anyone but you whether someone involved in the Civil Rights movement or student activism was a Jew or not but you have advanced it for Sanders; specifically that he was only involved because he was a Jew and that Jews were only involved because they were “self-serving” - and you effectively continue to peddle this anti-semitic line.

And you continue with the anti-Semitism by saying that because Sanders is Jewish that is reason to suspect that he is pro-EMPIRE (and you mean by this, not that Sanders is pro-American, but that he is a supporter of the American Empire – its wars and its exploitation of other countries).

I said that “The idea that "Zionism" is Empire, that Israel/Jews control the US Empire is anti-Semitic”. You said @344 that; “ "Zionism" has become synonymous with support for Empire. Obviously because Israel is a parasite on the Empire - it needs a strong Empire to thrive.” This is effectively the same statement and is anti-Semitic. Your statement is worse because of the use of the word “parasite” - another anti-Semitic trope.

The student body make-up is of relevance because Sanders was of the student body. In the protests that Sanders was involved in as a student, Jews may (or may) not have been a disproportion number of white protestors but the vast majority of white protestors would been non-Jewish in either case.

The argument that you are trying to make is that Jews were only involved in the Civil Rights movement for self-serving reasons. You quoted from an article on the “Religious Action Centre of Reform Judaism” to justify that argument (not to praise Jews - as you pretend - but to support your "self-serving" argument), I pointed out that you ignored parts of the article that didn’t suit you.

Your introduction of Christianity is just tiresome whataboutery. The context was your pushing of Jewish involvement as being “self-serving”. Presumably, you're trying to advance non-involvement by white non-Jews as also being “self-serving”.

And you can’t help doing it again in the first part of the question you pose to me:- “If you're trying to say that Jewish participation was motivated predominately by their religious teachings and not by group interest….” Effectively, you are again saying that Jews were only involved for self-serving reasons (not for altruistic reasons).

You go on to say "...then you'll have to explain why white Christians failed to act on a similar, strongly-held religious belief.” But, I don’t because I never made any claim about white American Christian people as a whole.

What I am disputing is your attack on Sanders as a Zionist who was only involved in Civil Rights because he was a Jew and Jews were only involved because they were "self-serving". It is, plain and simple, a repulsive anti-Semitic attack.

I am finished with this thread. You can respond with more anti-Semitic justification if you want but I won't be replying.

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 26 2020 0:45 utc | 399

I just have to share this tweet from Moore to Bloomberg.


Bloomberg is Marie Antoinette!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 0:50 utc | 400

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