Very rare and interesting article about the Canadian economy:
Canada and the crisis of capitalism

Posted by: vk | Feb 26 2020 2:01 utc | 403

When Sanders didn’t get the nomination in 2016 I was disappointed but not discouraged.
I was enthusiastic about the new organisation “Our Revolution” but disillusionment set in when (as I recall) Jeff weaver became the President of “Our Revolution” and the democratic elements of members being able to vote on for leaders and policy was eschewed. I remember quite a bit of upset about this.
As chance would have it the UK had a similar organisation “Momentum” which attempted to co-opt all the new members who joined Labour to support Corbyn, and which appeared to adhere to democratic principals.
However, I cannot convey to you how much of a joke “Momentum” really is. “Momentum” has really become little more than a sock-puppet for Jon Lansman, the policy determination is really like being spoonfed ridiculous options (e.g. do you want to build 1,000, 10,000 or 100,000? Guess what, “Momentum” members voted for 100,000 houses).
The real horror was the way in which Lansman got rid of other influential people within “Momentum” leaving only an organisation hollowed out and effectively consisting of only one person (Lansman). The truth of “Momentum” impudence-y will be revealed when Starmer (Blair’s choice) overwhelmingly wins the Labour leadership. “Lansman/Momentum” supported all the anti-Semitic expulsions and only opposed those few (and insignificant) expulsions that where personal friends of Lansman (as one disgruntled activist responded to Lansman “it’s too late now!”). A huge part of Corbyn’s failure as Leader is down to “Lansman/Momentum”. The only thing “Momentum” achieved was a seat on the NEC for Lansman. “Lansman/Momentum” should have supported Livingstone and, in particular, Chris Williams (who should have been the next leader of the Labour Party, but, as far as I could see, Lansman got his rocks off expelling better people than himself for anti-Semitism. The only person he would support Corbyn but this just left Corbyn isolated.
So that’s what could have been for “Our Revolution” but how did it turn out. In reality, a whole lot better. Jeff Weaver was replaced by Nina Turner who appears to have been much more inspiring leader and, although, I don’t believe “Our Revolution” has adopted the democratic approach desired by those who were initially disappointed back when Jeff Weaver was in charge I do believe that “Our Revolution” under Nina Turner has produced a manifesto/platform that will outlast Sanders.
The “Our Revolution” platform consists of just six points most of which need no elaboration:
1. Medicare4All
2. Green New Deal
3. Good Jobs For All
4. Cancel Student Debt
5. Immigrant Rights (moratorium on deportations, humane policies for asylum seekers)
6. Criminal Justice Reform (against the excessive level of incarcerations and profiteering on prisoners)
7. Stop Endless Wars
In contrast “Lansman/Momentum” stands for nothing of any meaning.
Americans shouldn’t vote for Sanders, they should vote for the platform.

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 26 2020 2:09 utc | 405

The worst thing about this debate so far is that the audience is SKEWED in Bloomberg’s favor and against Bernie. It is so obvious, it’s effing ridiculous!
And one more thing, every commercial break is an extended Bloomberg ad!!!
Bloomberg bought everything.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 2:22 utc | 407

“Bernie is for elevating all black people to full equality and justice and lifting people out of poverty and despair.” has to be one of the most patronising statements made at MoA this year, although it does provide a much needed insight into circe’s thinking and how it is she likes to elevate some human being into a god. That take on politicians is exactly how the world got into this mess..
Politicians are not our betters to be unquestioningly lauded no matter what they do just because they are bernie sanders or whoever. They aren’t our ‘betters’, they are our servants, put into a job by people to implement those tasks which they undertook to implement to the citizens before they were elected.
The fact that this almost never happens anymore because pols worry about whether they can ‘win’ next time is the primary reason nothing happens.
I spent a large portion of my life providing information and services to indigenous people – so called minorities, and I can say with certainty if I had ever approached a task with the mindset that I was lifting people up I would never have got anything done and would have been told my presence was surplus to requirements early on.
People advance themselves, no other human or agency does it for them, all those who wish to assist can do is provide information and services when requested. This can get difficult particularly when assisting cultures who loath that gossipy way whitefellas use to put another down, because instead of throwing shade on some greedheaded land-grabber by telling tribal leadership someone is a greedheaded landgrabber , the clan leadership will see it as the gossip throwing shade upon him/herself, by indulging in unproven prattle not taking another human as he/she comes.
The solution is to create a situation where the greedhead outs him/her self to the leadership. Not difficult.
I have been in meetings with racist creeps from other organisations, who make a point of saying out loud “talk to the tribe – not the advisor” blah blah. I smile quietly inside cos the idjit public servant has just made strike one. The mob know me which was why I got invited to the meeting. So realising I cannot say much anymore that will be listened to by the whitefellas, a couple of the elders raise the issues which they asked me to raise – most normally because of language difficulties. Immediately the whitefellas are in a much worse situation because they can no longer simply rebut what is being said without causing great offence.
I have never been more than an objector/supporter of african american civil rights but I imagine the issue is very similar in that african amerikans devise the strategy and steer the ship so to speak, making any talk of a whitefella ‘lifting people up’ offensive in the extreme.
Reminds me of that tosspot Sacha Baron-Cohen and the negative backlash he generated in england when it became known Baron-Cohen’s Cambridge dissertation on the US civil rights movement of the early 1960’s & Baron-Cohen argued that it was jews who lead the movement from ‘behind the scenes’. If you google it now 20 years after “Ali G” media releases on the dissertation talk of a ‘partnership’ between jews and african americans which is nearly as offensive.
If Sanders describes the role of himself or other jews in african american civil rights as anything more than ‘supportive’, he can kiss South Carolina adieu.

Posted by: A User | Feb 26 2020 2:36 utc | 409

karlof1 @ 399 said in part;” In other words, if the Establishment players support a candidate, that candidate will NOT work to advance the interests of the 99%; that candidate will work to advance the 1% which is always at the expense of the 99%. The formula is that simple and overt. I cited the following observation by Dr. Hudson and I do so again to prove that only Sanders has the interests of the 99% in his heart as the others all sided with the Establishment:”
Another bottom line truth, good post…

Posted by: ben | Feb 26 2020 2:54 utc | 411

The Saudi monkeys are being routed by the Houthi’s so the yanks are going to put an extra squeeze on the starvation blockade.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-aid/donors-aid-groups-planning-to-suspend-yemen-aid-to-houthi-areas-u-s-official-idUSKBN20J2RS?il=0
“Each donor and implementer is drawing up plans on how to, what to do if the Houthis do not change their behavior on the ground,” the official said. “The plans involve suspending a lot of assistance programs with exceptions for truly lifesaving programs feeding sick children and things like that.”
“Aid agencies have for the past year publicly and privately complained of worsening operating conditions, lack of travel permits and other access restrictions.
“It can’t be tolerated anymore,” the State Department official said.
The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), a major donor, said it was extremely concerned that the Houthis had worsened the effects of the crisis by interfering in aid operations.”
“Everyone’s looking at a timeline of a month or two. … That’s the point at which different implementers will start to suspend some of the programs,” the official said.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2020 3:01 utc | 413

I don’t think there was a clear winner in the debate tonight. Some are saying that that means that Bernie won by default (as he’s now considered the “front-runner”). But Biden is ahead in the South Carolina polls – so does that make Biden the winner?
Anyway, I think the debate was poorly run and that hurt Bernie.
Bernie also doesn’t pander as much as the other candidates and doesn’t prepare entertaining quips like some of the others. IMO lacking that ‘flash’ translates into a less memorable presence.
And Bernie’s policy items aren’t easy to fit in a sound bite. I think many viewers would be hard-pressed to describe how Bernie’s policies differ from the other candidates. All the candidates talk about economic fairness and improving healthcare.
Bernie has to do a better job of differentiating himself.
As “front-runner” with a historic agenda, he should OWN that stage. Contrasting his agenda with establishment control of the Democratic Party would help a lot. But Bernie can’t/won’t do that except as an aside or off-hand remark.
Bernie was hit again with the cost of his programs. He needs to have a ready and easily understandable answer to that. IMO he doesn’t have it (yet).
There’s a concerted push to portray Bernie as unrealistic, unelectable, and thus a risky choice. And post-debate media is striking those themes repeatedly.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 26 2020 4:47 utc | 415

ADKC @418:
You have deliberately misconstrued my comments to smear my concerns about Bernie as “antisemitic”.
“self-serving Jew”
I didn’t describe Bernie like that. Those are YOUR words.
I’ve said that Bernie’s actions were consistent with the American Jewish community’s support for Civil Rights at the time and I’ve provided links to information that demonstrate that.
“Self-serving” is a pejorative that applies to an individual not a group. Groups pursue their interests and it’s not racist or antisemitic to say that they do so.
To the extent that Bernie was influenced by his Jewish peers and motivated to support the Jewish community, he can be said to be connected to the American Jewish community. And that is my simple point (which I’ve explained several times). And his spending time in Israel as a young man is confirming.
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it was Jackrabbit who said that the mere reason that Sanders is Jewish is reason to suspect that he is pro-EMPIRE
This is absolutely FALSE.
I’ve said that Bernie might be pro-Empire because of several factors: 1) his political career; 2) his connection to establishment Democrats (Party leaders); 3) his apparent attachment to Israel and the American Jewish Community (which is, on the whole, pro-Israel). I never said that just being Jewish makes him suspect. In fact, I’ve noted many times that there are many Jews that don’t approve of Israel.
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“Israel is a parasite on the Empire…” is anti-Semitic.
This is essentially equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
It is difficult to accurately describe the relationship between USA and Israel without using a word like “parasite”. Israel benefits enormously from it’s relationship with USA and AIPAC ensures that thse benefits continue indefinitely. No knowledgeable, independent observer disputes this.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 26 2020 5:35 utc | 417

john brewster @405

I never said that the use of the word “Zionist” is forbidden. I said that there are many different interpretations of the word and as such, it was a meaningless but damaging allegation to make against Sanders. I said that there are many different interpretations of the word and as such, it was a meaningless but damaging allegation to make against Sanders. So straight away, far from insisting on one interpretation on the word “Zionist” – I say quite the reverse; the word has several interpretations (and these interpretations range from the benign to the malign.)

It may not be on this board, but that is increasingly unique. You say there are many interpretations of the word. That is not my experience. I have literally been banned from boards for quoting a 1948 letter signed by Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein denouncing Zionism as

“akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties, one that “preache[s] an admixture of ultra-nationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority.”

I have also been warned and flagged on other fake left boards, such as DKos, for using the term Likudnik. So you will pardon my sensitivity to the “banned word list”.
The issue here, which you try to blow right past, is that Zionism has been conflated with Judaism, so that legitimate questions about Israeli government policy or Likud party policy are declared off-limits with the selective accusation of anti-Semitism. I say selective because, these days, Israel is silent about Ukrainian and Hungarian neo-Nazis

Zionism’s attitude toward anti-Semitism is more ambiguous than people realize.  Theodore Herzl, the Viennese journalist who founded modern Zionism, made this clear in the 1890s.  Rather than combatting anti-Semitism, he argued that Jews should accept it as an ineradicable fact of life.  Instead of opposing it, they should make use of it as a lever with which to pry their co-religionists loose from western society so that they would move to Palestine. 
Netanyahu’s Tolerance for Anti-Semitism Goes Back 120 Years

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I wasn’t browbeating the board I was browbeating Jackrabbit and Jackrabbit doesn’t hold back from browbeating either. I am now browbeating you.

Well at least we agree that accusations of browbeating are not anti-Semitic.
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Describing Jews as “self-serving” is not common or benign phraseology – it is an anti-semitic trope.

So you say, but you offer no evidence. The news is full of people of all stripes accusing others of all stripes of being self-serving. It is as common an insult as “corrupt”. But somehow, when directed against someone who is Jewish, it magically becomes anti-semitic . Some kind of newspeak, I guess. OTOH, Zionists calling Jews who object to Zionist policies “self-loathing” is somehow not “anti-semitic”. Nice double standard you got there.
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The use of the word “parasite” in context as “…because Israel is a parasite on the Empire…” is anti-Semitic.

Let me walk you through the chain of reasoning about parasitism. Israel (AIPAC) lobbies heavily for US funds and technology transfers. The absence of those US supports would cause the Israeli government to have severe economic and military problems. OTOH, today’s US is massively underinvested in its own physical and social infrastructure. This is not the 1960s, when the US could easily afford to send all kinds of aid all over the world and still build out the Interstate Highway System. But, according to you, to say that Israel is getting funds desperately needed by US citizens to fix up their own country makes Israel parasitic on the US is anti-semitic. Please explain the flaw in this logic.
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I don’t accept that “at the time, also the victim of deep discrimination just like the blacks”. Jews as a group were comparatively wealthy and did not experience anything like the discrimination experienced by Afro-Americans.

If someone tried to claim that the wealth of black professionals in the ghetto represented all blacks, there would be hell to pay. In case you missed it, many Jewish folks were employed in garment sweatshops, bakeries, and other physically demanding and low paying jobs. But I will let that slide. Let’s talk about your “comparatively wealthy” folks.

By the end of the 19th century, Jews, once accepted as paying guests at boardinghouses, hotels and resorts, were turned away. The rise of nativism in immigration debates led to new “No Israelite” policies and signs advertising “Gentiles Only.” Anti-Semitism limited Jews’ access not only to hotels but also to social and professional clubs, private schools, camps and fraternities. If Jews were lucky enough to gain access, they faced resentment.
Twentieth-century anti-Semitism took new forms. When the prominent industrialist Henry Ford introduced Americans to the idea of a world Jewish conspiracy in his newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, his reputation enhanced its respectability. Social exclusion morphed into educational discrimination as Columbia, Harvard, Princeton, Yale and many other schools set quotas on the number of Jews admitted.
In the 1947 Academy Award-winning film “Gentleman’s Agreement,” a journalist played by Gregory Peck pretends to be a Jew to expose the well-known secret of polite society’s discrimination against Jews in hotels, housing, jobs and on the playground.
During the civil rights struggle of the last half of the 1950s, 90 percent of the bombs planted by extremists targeted African Americans; the other 10 percent targeted Jews in their synagogues and community centers and their rabbis at home.
2019 WaPo article

It would seem that being the only non-black group being bombed doesn’t qualify as discrimination in your book. Perhaps because they only received 10% of the bombs.
As for the other items mentioned above, if one is trying to get into or advance in the professions and higher society, then what I just quoted wasn’t innocuous fraternity hazing. (Oh, wait, they weren’t allowed into fraternities.) It was an attempt to shut “comparatively wealthy” people out of entire segments of professional life.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 26 2020 5:47 utc | 419

Trump in Delhi “There could be very serious sanctions,” he said without giving details. “You are going to see in a little while. You are asking a question right in the middle of us doing something.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-crime/captain-murdered-on-oil-tanker-off-venezuela-port-authority-idUSKBN20J2VJ
“Six armed individuals boarded the San Ramon tanker early Monday morning in Pozuelos Bay and shot the captain, Colombian national Jaime Herrera Orozco, a report from the Puerto La Cruz port authority seen by Reuters said.
A coast guard sergeant guarding the ship was also injured, the report added.”
“Jose Bodas, an oil workers union leader in Puerto La Cruz, said the tanker had been waiting to enter the Jose oil terminal to load with crude. He said it was the first time he could recall an attack of this type in eastern Venezuela, and it was the first death at the hands of “pirates” he knew of.”
Robbery or a motive was not mentioned.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2020 7:05 utc | 421

re ADKC | Feb 26 2020 4:02 utc | 418 who tried to confuse by saying:
I never said that the use of the word “Zionist” is forbidden. I said that there are many different interpretations of the word
You’ve written some deceitful tosh akdc or whatever you astroturf under, but that is ridiculous.
zionism here and for that matter, everywhere else where it is discussed, means one thing, that is a racist cult perpetrated by jews and xtian godbotherers -the latter eager to bring on endtimes.
The cult is racist because it propagates the myth that jews are ‘the chosen people’ then uses that bullshit to deprive the indigenous population of all Palestine of their land and nation, by employing the same techniques that whitefellas perfected in the 19th century to drive indigenous populations of Africa, Asia & the Pacific off & away from resource rich locations the whitefellas coveted.
Home invasion, rape, child mutilation and murder are the methods which have been employed by zionists all across Palestine just the same as whitefellas used but now claim to eschew.
The idea of being an ultra intelligent people is given the lie by the stupidity zionists display in their dealings with amerika.
They have seen how amerika tossed other groups most recently kurds as soon as they became surplus to requirements or there was a better return trading with their ‘allies’ enemies, yet dumb zionists have convinced themselves that could never happen to them – yeah right, yet while the numbers of islamic people in amerika is growing larger, and larger, the need for israel as a base to monitor and opress the islamic people of the ME is shrinking. Endtime for oil is approaching and with that so is the need to keep oppressing all the people of the ME, an incredibly expensive exercise.
Simultaneously the ordinary amerikan is wondering why their taxes provide health,and welfare & education programs in israel that they can only dream about having in amerika.
Zionism is a death cult that is racing towards extinction. The maths is simple, however many ME nations are harangued into being ‘friendly’ those feelings are little more than a deceit practised by ME leadership concerned about being regime changed. The average citizen of the ME be they islamic or xtian loathes israel & israelis with a passion because they know the truth of what has been happening in the ersatz state.
Zionism is racist, oppressive and founded on deceit which makes it totally unjust as is any zionist and/or any others who support this death cult.

Posted by: A User | Feb 26 2020 7:39 utc | 423

As they saying goes in Texas Bernie has proven himself to be all hat and no cattle.
RussiaGate Claims Its Next Victim – Bernie Sanders
Even Jimmy Dore is calling Bernie out about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlIIqJnH-_k

Posted by: Carciofi | Feb 26 2020 11:13 utc | 425

A letter Burner may want to read > “FDR’s Letter to the Democratic Convention Delegates in 1940” (A FUIQ)
@ “Jesse’s CAFÉ AMÉRICAIN” there’s a nice clean copy.
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In other stuff, the pirate attack and murder of captain of a Mexican tanker near V does seem to be the sort of stuff they did to the Sandinistas…mining ships…may be next…or – why not (?) simply fly the jolly roger and torpedo them.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 26 2020 12:47 utc | 427

It’s very clear to me that (Warren + Klobachar), Buttigieg, and Steyer siphon votes from Bernie.
But is this clear to Primary voters what this means?
I’m not saying that these candidates should leave the race, but I think Bernie should make a point of explaining (in the debates) how the Primary works.
For the leading contenders, every vote is magnified. When the progressive vote is diffused among a number of candidates, it becomes more difficult for a progressive to win (already an uphill battle).
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 26 2020 13:12 utc | 429

If Bernie was really serious about winning the nomination and have a shot at the presidency he would be pursuing an aggressive strategy of expanding his base by rejecting the Clinton doctrine, rejecting Russiagate, and rejecting all the faux journos on CNN, NYT, WP and MSNBC who continue to undermine his electability. He would be agreeing wholeheartedly with Eisenhower explaining how the MIC and its deep-state enablers are the real enemy of the U.S. He would be explaining how Israel through its various congressional lobbies, not Russia, is the country that interferes the most with U.S. elections. I think the reason he is not capable of acting in this way is because his age has fossilized his lifelong belief in U.S. institutions.

Posted by: Carciofi | Feb 26 2020 13:54 utc | 431

The Burniedude in perspective…alas see> Peter Lavelle Interviews Alastair Crooke
Yeah sure, vote. It matters…
But if anybody imagines the Project will stop until real circumstance forces the Project to stop, they smoking d’ gud stuff.
If they can rid themselves of FDR and all the Kennedys and Martin – even in those primitive times…don’t expect much.
Speaking of Wallace… (yeah)… Tulsi for VP immediately fubars the sitrep-dc… And she’s cute. And not a coward.
Meantime, circumstances do, always, change – so maybe the Fates will laugh and align for Burner… Long bet tho.
Marat Sade comes to mind
thus>
“We invented the Revolution, but we didn’t know how to run it. Look. Everyone wants to keep something from the past, a souvenir of the old regime. So, this man decides to keep a painting; this man keeps his mistress; this man keeps his horse; this man keeps his garden. That man keeps his farm lands; that man keeps his house in the country; that man keeps his factories; that man couldn’t bear to part with his shipyards; that man keeps his army; and that one keeps his King. And so we sit here and write into the Declaration of the Rights of Man, “the sanctity of private property”. And now we see where that leads: Every man is equally free to fight, fraternally and with equal arms, of course. Every man, his own millionaire. Man against man, group against group, in happy, mutual robbery. And we sit here, more oppressed than when we begun, and they think the Revolution’s been won.
and, better still>
Don’t be deceived when our Revolution has been finally stamped out, and they tell you that things are better now. Even if there’s no poverty to be seen, because the poverty’s been hidden. Even if you’ve got more wages and can afford to buy more of these new and useless goods. And even if it seemed to you that you’d never had so much – that is only the slogan of those who have that much more than you. Don’t be taken in when they pat you paternally on the shoulder and tell you there’s no more inequality worth speaking of, no more reason for fighting. If you believe them, they will be completely in charge in their shining homes and granite banks, from which they rob the people of the world under the pretense of bringing them freedom. Watch out, for as soon as it pleases them, they will send you out to protect their wealth, in war – whose weapons, rapidly developed by servile scientists, will become more and more deadly until they can, with the flick of a finger, tear a million of you to pieces.
Put Dear Burnie in perspective.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 26 2020 14:04 utc | 433

@437 Walter
So how many times have you flip-flopped from Bernie, yes to Bernie, no, now? Must be you’re really a Trump supporter who thinks Bernie can help Trump win, so you’re really against what Bernie stands for.
You and others like you are the rot that keeps the consciousness of man from evolving.
Jackrabbit,
I know you read my post, so where are my answers? I’m starting to think you’re a coward as well.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 14:39 utc | 435

@436 vk
What an ingenious way to extend Presidential term limits! It seems Trump’s in no hurry to see democracy happen to his detriment or leave any time soon.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 14:47 utc | 437

@442 Walter
Say sorry to the rabbit who gives a shet about the suffering of millions of Palestinians?
My dignity replies, NO!!!
And yeah, so you say but, dang, you keep playing that ugly cynical anti-Bernie card.
So, I’ll pass on apologizing to that, too, thanks. BUT, stop trying to offend my intelligence, and I’ll think about it…

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 15:02 utc | 439

@440 SharonM
So in other words, you’re self-righteous SELF is saying we should all just ignore the fact that Palestinians are hoping Bernie wins, their American activist counterparts are fighting for Bernie to win, but YOU, from your comfortably numb existance, know better what’s right for a nation suffering extreme oppression and whose pain is multiplied under Trump???
👎🤬

Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 15:14 utc | 441

Circe | Feb 26 2020 15:02 utc | 443 Do not conflate intelligence with faith, as this makes effective orientation, perception, and worthwhile action highly ineffective. Indeed, this conflation is the basis of all con games. I have never insulted your intelligence, nor, I am entirely sure, even your delusions, or any other characteristic of yours – only criticized your rudeness and your memory.
The objective reality is imperial failure due to internal fissures under cathodic circumstances the imperial mind cannot grasp. That’s the mark inside. The collapse is due, essentially, to geography and moral corruption. The triggering event was the dissolution of USSR – and that was recognized at the time… By academics, and I myself discussed the matter with a law professors at the time.
Bernie is not going to change such glacial processes. Nobody can.
If he’s elected it’ll be with a VP…and like Wallace is Tulsi. For, one might assume, prevention of the Dallas Effect…
Yeah, maybe imperial decline is manageable. Maybe pigs fly. The reality is probably “lots worser” than the USSR collapse.
I’d drag out a map of the US dated about 1790… and put down money – against what’s coming down the road.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 26 2020 15:30 utc | 443

@Qparticle #415
If you read through the hardware work needed to get the US Navy satellite enabled CB radios working, you would likely conclude (as I have) that literacy is often over-rated compared to the ability to monkey-see, monkey-do.
Criminal gangs and corporations work the same way: maybe a handful of people in any org actually knows anything; the rest are sales, marketing, custom and extra hands.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 27 2020 19:49 utc | 445