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February 02, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-09

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> “Both overall enemy-initiated attacks and effective enemy-initiated attacks during the fourth quarter of 2019 exceeded same-period levels in every year since recording began in 2010,” the report said. <

Other issues:


How the US empire stole the left's ideas - Joseph Massad /MEE

> [T]alk of the “agency” of the oppressed began to be deployed in defence of those who espouse imperial and racist ideas against their own people - and whom the US chooses as spokespeople for them. <

Speaking power to truth - The Critic
Patrick Porter reviews The Education of an Idealist by Samantha Power

> Even by the genre’s standards, the author is boringly self-obsessed. Mundane everyday life over-intrudes. She even commends herself for reproaching herself for her self-absorption. “I would catch myself feeling satisfied by a powerful speech I had made at the UN, or a compelling argument I had put before the President. I would then excoriate myself for measuring the wrong thing. “It’s not inputs that matter,” I would hear in my head. “It’s outcomes.”’ Aren’t you glad you didn’t write this? <


Special Rapporteur on Torture, Nils Melzer on the case of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange
"A murderous system is being created before our very eyes" -


Rosie memos @almostjingo - 1:40 UTC · Jan 30, 2020

Well geez this is awkward. Despite being told for years that "Internet Research Agency" was working for Putin the DOJ admits it's not going to offer any evidence in the case "that the Russian Government sponsored the alleged conspiracy" MUH RUSSIA. @TheJusticeDept



Creating traffic jams in Google Maps by pulling a cart with 99 second hand smartphones - Simon Weckert

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on February 2, 2020 at 14:51 UTC | Permalink

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looks like the impeachment farce is ending predictably.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 2 2020 15:18 utc | 1


Rosie memos @almostjingo - 1:40 UTC · Jan 30, 2020

Well geez this is awkward. Despite being told for years that "Internet Research Agency" was working for Putin the DOJ admits it's not going to offer any evidence in the case "that the Russian Government sponsored the alleged conspiracy" MUH RUSSIA. @TheJusticeDept

Neither The DoJ or the FBI are aware of the fact that more than 60% of Israeli army speak Russian fluently just like their native hebrew, or better!?


Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 2 2020 16:13 utc | 2

Thank you, b, many kudos for reminding us about Julian Assange's plight.

The continued silence of all so called journalists on this topic betrays their complicity in the war crimes that Assange reported on and for which he remains unjustly persecuted.

Posted by: Lurk | Feb 2 2020 16:45 utc | 3

Yes, Indeed so. Many thanks Mr b

The borrowing of the Left's ideas cannot be confined to the Left, can it?... But it's not only borrow, it is also develop upon, refine, craft, fund, and implement, isn't it?

I have mentioned "schismogenesis" previously. This was/is a OSS/CIA formal methodological set of ways of agency to create divisions in an Nth populations. A refinement of "divide to rule"...not a "leftest method, but a classical method.

But an artistic display speaks better than I. see (YT) Yes Minister — Why Britain Joined the European Union

Why not laugh at the freaks' parade?

Posted by: Walter | Feb 2 2020 16:56 utc | 4

The US calls for apartheid and ethnic cleansing in its primary ME protectorate. Global powers supposedly concerned with uphholding international law smile knowingly and applaud gently. Yes it was always going to end this way. Mmmmmm. Might Makes Right. Mmmmmmm. That alone is international law. Mmmmmmm. More champagne? More vodka?

Posted by: paul | Feb 2 2020 16:56 utc | 5

The DNC is using a multi-pronged strategy to sabotage and derail the Sanders campaign because not only does he have the majority of the Left behind him and is surging in the polls as a result, but he also has the best chance of defeating Trump, because he has an energized movement behind him, he is generating all the excitement and like Trump, yes, you bet, he has a badass army of mthrfckers ready to defend him!

Now, which of the other boring establishment candidates have that???

So it's no surprise that a week before the primaries 1. the DNC queen b. Hillary rears her ugly, divise, NEOlibtard head to spew poison Bernie's way. Did Bernie do a single thing to provoke this? No. So why didn't she slither out from under her rock sooner to gripe instead of days before the important Iowa caucus?

The reason is that she is one part of the DNC strategy moving against Sanders now.

2. Bloomberg, a former REPUBLICAN, with all that right-wing policy baggage entered the race as a NEOliberal with his billions, not to defeat Trump, but to derail Bernie if he makes it past SC and Nevada. 3. Proof is that the DNC just changed the rules regarding grassroots funding requirements to put Bloomberg on the debate stage to attack Bernie Sanders on national TV.

4. The DNC also stacked the Convention Committee with militant Clintonite supporters to put in action the final prong to sabotage Sanders:

5. The DNC then changed the rules regarding the Convention vote for superdelegates to hurt Bernie Sanders and drive a final stake through his campaign.

From this outline their intentional treachery against millions of Bernie supporters is CLEAR!




Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 16:56 utc | 6

Paul, I'm not so sure. Dynamite has a two state solution.

Might is not a static circumstance, and neither are the interests of the numerous "voters"- those with power.

The one thing that never stops, despite the pols' great effort, is Time.

I try to keep in mind that world affairs is perhaps similar to a multi-body problem with an insane Alice-in Wonderland mathematics.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 2 2020 17:01 utc | 7

Qparticle @2

DOJ can't offer evidence it does not possess OR pretending not to possess is more like it..

Neither The DoJ or the FBI are aware of the fact that more than 60% of Israeli army speak Russian fluently just like their native hebrew, or better!?

You are unto to something, follow the odour - they speak more than Russian and Hebrew. Multilingual - for starters add Farsi, Cantonese, Mandarin..and which ever other language is required, they buy.

What do these share?
Cybereason, Canny AI, Toka, [of note MSofty's Newsguard is now inserted on mobile devices whether or not you live in the new USSAR]

the same Mission:

"How Government and Media Are Prepping America for a Failed 2020 Election."
Mintpressnews -by Whitney Webb -

Manufacturing Fear with a click “Bring down nations to their knees”

Russia, China and Iran are already being blamed for using tech to undermine the 2020 election. Yet, the very technologies they are allegedly using were created by a web of companies with deep ties to Israeli intelligence.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 2 2020 17:16 utc | 8

This corona virus panic is interesting. RT has an interesting piece that points out that corona virus has been officially recognized in some 8,000 odd people and 200 odd people have died from it, we need a sense of perspective. World wide seasonal flu, kills between 350,000 and 600,000 people each year. Tuberculosis kills over 1,000,000 people each year. Malaria kills a similar number. AIDS killed over 500,000 last year. And we're panicking about 200 or so?

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Feb 2 2020 17:24 utc | 9

How the US empire stole the left's ideas - Joseph Massad /MEE

There's an anachronism in this headline, since the author mentions Marxism as from the left side of the political spectrum.

When Marx wrote his opus, "marxism" (scientific socialism) and "communism" were neither right-wing nor left-wing nor swamp (center): it was illegal, thus entirely outside of the Western-style political spectrum. The SPD in its legal version was essentially a Lassallian party, and not a Marxist one. The moment the SPD definitely abandoned Marxism is well documented by Marx himself, in his famous "Critique of the Gotha Program".

It was only with the turn to the 20th Century - long after Marx's death - that Marxist parties became legal (and thus part of the western political spectrum). But it is a mistake to state that Marxism can only exist in the left of the political spectrum. Marxism is the science, the political spectrum is a device created by liberalism in the aftermath of the French Revolution. For example: modern China doesn't have a political spectrum (since it is not a western-style democracy), but it is a Marxist country; the USSR didn't have a political spectrum, but was a Marxist country.

Posted by: vk | Feb 2 2020 17:26 utc | 10

vk | Feb 2 2020 17:26 utc | 10 I think you're correct, and what you've written aligns with what I was taught/// Marx or Marxism if we're sloppy, "is a method of understanding and an unfinished, evolving, science."

I was getting lectured... Anyway, what I remember seems to fit with your # 10.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 2 2020 17:55 utc | 11

Western MSM has a meltdown, complains about popular pressure on the French general strike and yellow vests:

French revolution? That’s news to me

I don't think the problem is in the French coverage per se, but the coverage about the countries which are enemies of the West. Put in other way, it's not that crises in the Western countries are suppressed and diminished, but that crises in China, Venezuela, Russia et al are greatly augmented.

So, sure, ms. Willsher can wash her hands like Pontius Pilatus - but she definitely doesn't speak for the Western MSM.

Posted by: vk | Feb 2 2020 17:57 utc | 12

It took a year and a half for the first definitive evidence that the SARS Virus was manufactured.

It's too early to call this one.

If the Indian researchers were wrong, their careers are over... high price for a bit of fleeting notoriety

We are an intelligent and skeptical community Let's keep it that way.

Posted by: les7 | Feb 2 2020 17:58 utc | 13

Terrorist Incident In South London Leaves Several Stabbed, Attacker Dead

As far as the Russiagate revelation, over here in the UK there is a criminal offence Attempting To Pervert The Course of Justice, I hope that a) there is a similar offence in the USA and b) that the IRA bring a private criminal prosecution of everyone involved in what is quite obviously a criminal conspiracy.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 2 2020 18:02 utc | 14

US immoral to attack China's fight against virus

The pandemic will finally pass. Many people badmouthed China during SARS 17 years ago, but what happened after? Nobody should underestimate China's ability to fight a public health crisis. Since we can take measures that many countries cannot take, we can also quickly recover vitality after the crisis. Some countries should not be too short-sighted. They should not hurt Chinese people's feelings when China is in temporary difficulties.

I agree the Western MSM is relentlessly trying to sell this coronavirus epidemic as a socialist failure and that this is immoral (if not a crime against humanity, since China's socialism is the sole responsible for lowering world poverty since the 1970s).

However, one epidemic every 17 years is too much. China better adapt and and reduce this frequency quickly, because there'll inevitably come a time when the Chinese society will finally break down and be virtually exterminated by the eventual big pandemic virus mutation. Even if that doesn't happen, no people can survive the loss of morale resulted from the realisation they'll have to take an epidemic every 17 years. Imagine you plan to have a family but having to calculate the risk of losing your child when before it reach 18 - though for every parent and even unnatural.

China must finally purge the fossilized remnants of feudalist superstition, specially its irrational and senseless fascination with exotic animals. A developed socialist society must have a correspondent culture, and there's no place for superstition in it.

Posted by: vk | Feb 2 2020 18:14 utc | 15

Not only is the DNC rigging the primary process against Sanders by changing the rules at this stage as I wrote above, so Bloomberg gets on the debate stage in Nevada to attack Sanders, BUT, apparently, according to what Trump is claiming in his Superbowl interview with Hannity, Bloomberg is asking debate organizers FOR A BOX TO STAND ON, to look taller cause he's actually shorter than everyone else! Okay, ya gotta question where Trump got his info and whether it's true, but could the orange broken clock be right on this one???

Bernie is 6 feet tall, Trump is 6'3" and Bloomberg is 5'8".

Yep, FOR ONCE, I believe Trump. Bloomberg is 4 inches shorter than Bernie.

If the billionaire doesn't get a box behind his podium; he'll wear his elevated shoes! HAAAHAAA!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 18:25 utc | 16

Jeff Harrison @9

Good points about the real seasonal flu outbreaks vs the panic over a couple hundred dead in China.

Bill Sardi echoes “B” by pointing out the coronavirus scare is blown out of proportion to channel the herd into Bill Gates vaccination program. Gates even predicted the outbreak in a 2019 documentary:

The 2020 Coronavirus Scare: Better Than Any Horror Movie

Here are links to antiviral treatments using natural ingredients that are effective against all the other cold and flu virus outbreaks that happen every year. As “B” points out the vast majority of cases are just run of the mill virus outbreaks that happen every year.

Effective inhibition of MERS-CoV infection by resveratrol.

The effect of Allium sativum (Garlic) extract on infectious bronchitis virus in specific pathogen free embryonic egg.

Modulation of the Immune Response to Respiratory Viruses by Vitamin D

Vaccinations, Vitamin C, Politics, and the Law

Zn(2+) inhibits coronavirus and arterivirus RNA polymerase activity in vitro and zinc ionophores block the replication of these viruses in cell culture.

Posted by: krollchem | Feb 2 2020 18:42 utc | 17


Circe's over-the-top emotion appeal highlights how Bernie himself doesn't fight for his ideals.

Why doesn't Bernie threaten to take his "Movement" independent?

Bernie will not rock the boat. He'll support the Democratic nominee (whoever that may be), just as in 2016.

"Enough with your damned emails!" LOL.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 2 2020 18:55 utc | 18

Great article on cell phone spoofing to create a traffic jam on Google maps.
Imagine if you had a Chinese cell phone clickbait farm to do it instead.
Turn on developer options, feed in location, suppress flags and warnings, voila!
No more annoying Waze driving coming through your residential neighborhood.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 19:02 utc | 19

@17 krollchem

Garlic? Maybe it's from Vampire Bats, can we have a Stakeholder meeting?

Posted by: TJ | Feb 2 2020 19:04 utc | 20

Posted by: vk | Feb 2 2020 17:26 utc | 10
When Marx wrote his opus, "marxism" (scientific socialism) and "communism" were neither right-wing nor left-wing nor swamp (center): it was illegal, thus entirely outside of the Western-style political spectrum. The SPD in its legal version was essentially a Lassallian party, and not a Marxist one. The moment the SPD definitely abandoned Marxism is well documented by Marx himself, in his famous "Critique of the Gotha Program".

Are you American? Or European with deficient knowlege in European history outside Spain, Portugal. Nevermind Franco?

Slightly objecting to the equation, whatever center may signify beyond compromise, swamp=center.

You may want to check Marx in this Wiki on the: German revolutions of 1848–1849

Obviously Marx himself didn't consider himself as Marxist. On the other hand when I choose a class on the German 1848 revolution in the early 70s at Free University in Berlin. I didn't have a chance to learn whatever the lector had in mind. A leader (of whatever post SDS party) with his sheep took over and dictated whatever Marx and Lenin texts had to be studies. I suppose those he knew inside out. After I realized there wouldn't be the slightest chance to discuss the lecturer's reading list, I left. You will have a hard time to convince me the lecturer was swamp=center=establishment and thus already then was better ignored.

Posted by: vig | Feb 2 2020 19:06 utc | 21

thanks b!

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2020 19:10 utc | 22

Just had an email from a company I deal with in China, the relevant passages-

2. The company has been following instructions from the Chinese government to postpone the Spring Festival holiday to Feb. 9th, 2020 if not any further postpone. But, we believe most of our services should be provided as usual since then.

5. We also would like your attention that there’s yet no evidence or cases to support the transmission of the novel coronavirus through packages or imported goods. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) of the US, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures. The National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China advises that coronavirus is spread most often by respiratory droplets from one person to another, regular packages from Wuhan can be received as usual. Reference links are attached as the footnote below for your references.[1]
6. The Company will take proactive measures like ultraviolet light to ensure a safe and healthy environment of its warehouse. Disinfection work will be conducted before each delivery.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 2 2020 19:11 utc | 23


Your failure to use html tags on your links fckd up the thread.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 19:20 utc | 24

Ian excluded from Deal of the Century emergency meeting

Quite interesting Iran excluded.. means Saudia Arabia has been ordered to make the deal stick. I suggest we are closer to a Iran Saudia war than we are to a USA Iran war..

Posted by: snake | Feb 2 2020 19:22 utc | 25

Boeing 737NG – a Flying Deathtrap

I have not seen this posted here so far (though I may have just missed it) but just in case:

This video is a whistleblower group's exposé of collusion between Boeing, a major parts supplier to Boeing, the US Justice Department and the FAA, to cover up the fact that major structural parts for the 737NG were supplied to Boeing way out of spec, and that the crudest imaginable methods were used to make them “fit” at the assembly point.

Among the various occupations that I tried out during a long lifetime, I spent a few years as an airframe modification mechanic. I understand every word of this video, and the implications of those words. I find the video horrifying and terrifying, and I find myself outraged by it.

Major structural parts (that hold the fuselage together) that did not fit, that had misaligned fastener holes, etc, etc, and that were hammered into place or otherwise “made to fit,” have already failed in aircraft that were full of passengers. In the three incidents so far in which those parts failed and the fuselage came apart, the aircraft was on the ground. It will only be a matter of time until one of those airframes comes apart in the air.

DO NOT EVER FLY in a Boeing 737NG!

Watch the video!

p.s. The Boeing 737MAX is just a 737NG modified to make it even more dangerous to fly

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 2 2020 19:37 utc | 26

More fun with climate:
Yet another of the implicit assumptions behind climate catastrophe is the CO2 levels will keep going up - not just higher, but exponentially higher, until 2100.
But is that true?
The EIA doesn't think so. The EIA, even after correcting for its fracking fail, projects CO2 emissions to increase by 0.6% per year until 2050 - after which it levels off. EIA CO2 emissions projections
Secondly, the amount of CO2 "disappearing" from the atmosphere - whatever the source - is increasing every year. Earlier, the panicmongers were predicting a limit to this biological appetite for CO2: plants, zooplankton, etc but so far, these predictions have failed (along with literally 100% of their catastrophe predictions). Mauna Loa CO2 annual variance
So what happens when you plug EIA projections into the various IPCC models?
You get this
Or in other words - CO2 will not even double from today's levels in any but the RCP8.5 case.
Dr. Roy Spencer then takes these 3 data points, creates a simple CO2 model and compares that with the IPCC scenarios.
Net net? If CO2 levels don't even double - the ECR value may not even matter (ECR is the response in temperature to a doubling of CO2).
Last note: the extreme scenarios pushed by the panicmongers always involve exponential increases in (whatever bad: CO2, temperature, etc) that is coming ... any day now...
I've been watching this dynamic for nearly 20 years - at which point does this exponential projection be called nonsense?

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 19:46 utc | 27

In 2016, the Iowa results were Clinton 49.8 and Sanders 49.6⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

Bernie was leading Biden in Iowa by 4 to 5 points last week and today's poll has each of them leading the rest with a 25% to 25% TIE, when Bernie had the clear MOMENTUM. WHUT⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️ Is the establishment manipulating the polls to justify another razor thin win against Bernie???

One poll didn't even get published because the press pollster claims they forgot to include Buttigieg. BULL.

We'll never know if the tie is real or if the disappeared poll showed Bernie with a wide majority.



Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 19:52 utc | 28

p.s. The Boeing 737MAX is just a 737NG modified to make it even more dangerous to fly by: AntiSpin @ 26

It is possible the boewingsthatmishapinflight is part of the waste America plan the USA has been imposing against Americans do you?

Posted by: snake | Feb 2 2020 19:55 utc | 29

Winter on western Atlantic is sure hot.

What's with the feuds and threats? -

Soros and Zuckerberg?
Don't make me repeat myself again! Soros threatens Zuckerberg must be removed from Facebook 'one way or another'

one way or another!!!

Buzzfeed / Zerohedge/Twitter.

Today, Twitter confirmed to Reuters Zerohedge’s account on its platform had been permanently suspended for violating “platform manipulation policy.” - abuse and harassment

The move against the website came as the coronavirus has stoked a wave of anti-China sentiment around the globe. Hoaxes have spread widely online, promoted by conspiracy theorists and exacerbated by a dearth of information from the cordoned-off zone around China’s central city of Wuhan, where the outbreak began. LINK

Won't provide link. Today, tit-for-tat, Zerohedge has a very, very nasty writeup on Buzzfeed. File under libel, defamation and potty mouth. Need a shower.
Next in queue, Go-fund-me for Attorneys' Retainer fees.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 2 2020 19:56 utc | 30

The media are FULL OF SHET!!!! They're virally showing the video of Rashida Tlaib booing that BI🤬CH Hillary for trashing Sanders days before the Iowa caucuses and calling Sanders divisive instead of Hillary.



Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 20:14 utc | 31

@Jackrabbit #18
To be fair, Sanders is really old.
To go independent, it would require the rebuilding of an entire political infrastructure. Not so much the vote-getting - that can be done via the Internet these days, as both Trump and Sanders have amply demonstrated (with FB help).
I'm referring instead to the political appointees who would need to come in to staff the new administration. Trump's lack of same - due to most of the Republican party fighting him tooth and nail - is one example.
If you think's he's done a lot of bad things so far, imagine what he could have done if he'd had the Cabinet down to deputy assistant under secretary types already lined up...
And for Bernie to enact 10% of what he's promising, he needs that.
And no, the Millenials and Gen Z, who are Bernie's core supporters, wouldn't be able to get jack done. Chicks in shark ponds come to mind.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 20:15 utc | 32

Here some samples of the new Houthis' missile force & drone capacities:

They use now some air-bursting missiles with pinpoint accuracy and devastating effects, the US think tanks, and of course the Pentagon, are scared about the prospect of Iranians using some thounsands of this weapons against the boys:

Of course Iran is testing the efficiency of these systems in Yemen, with devastating results, but I think they have even more powerful and well designed missiles ready to be used against a much more dangerous enemy (the US). Every platoon in the US army must know that they will be under such kind of attacks in the ME, they will not be protected by the USAF or the Patriots or any other american Wunderwaffe

Posted by: DFC | Feb 2 2020 20:32 utc | 33

Snake at #25

The meeting in question was of the League of Arab States. (Arab League) This is a 22 member association of all the Arab States, originally founded in 1945. Since Iran is not Arab, it is not a member.

By the way, your link is dead.

Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III | Feb 2 2020 20:38 utc | 34


I said this is the most critical election of our lifetime. It's going to be FILTHY DIRTY AND TOUGH, the bullshet muck will be knee deep, but everyone has to FIGHT AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.



Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 20:41 utc | 35

to Jeff Harrison #9 and all other readers. I've been posting this over and over on this and other sites for days. It's really important!!!
So lets ask who benefits? Well we know there's a trade war on. We know that Wall St is slavering for fresh meat. And we know that the US con=gress (and aids, minions, familiars) are exempt from insider trading (prohibition) rules. So hmmmmm. Follow the dirty money. Ramp dump repeat....

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 2 2020 20:41 utc | 36

@DFC #33
The picture shown, if all of the dust clouds are in fact due to the missile, doesn't show a particularly good coverage pattern. In fact, it seems doubtful that said dust clouds are due to a single missile (or anything else) strike.
Here's what mortar airburst patterns look like
Here's what an MRL or howitzer airburst pattern looks like
The picture in question - the outer rim could be a pattern, but it is inconsistent with the large central cloud plus widely scattered bits around this center point.
Not saying the Houthis don't have something, but this picture doesn't really seem indicative of anything - although I don't pretend to be an artillery expert.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 20:44 utc | 37

A few items of historical interest of which two have contemporary importance. First, Russia has released a trove of documents and pics related to 1945's Yalta Conference. The pics are at page bottom and number close to 100, while the docs are all in Russian as you might imagine. Second, Strategic Culture published an excellent article about Stalingrad which begins with a short vid that's worth viewing just to see the massive memorial statue, Rodina-Mat, since most of us will never get that opportunity to see it in person. While reading, recall the author reported for the right-leaning Washington Times. To go with that article, we have an editorial bashing the attempts to rewrite WW2's history for short-term political gain that joins the course of similar articles and editorials. As a historian, revisioning the past to arrive at a better picture of what actually occurred is a worthy goal, but is to be denounced when the aim is to falsify, obfuscate and omit.

Barflies will note a link associated with my user name that will take you to my page at VK, which I intend to use as a blog.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2020 20:44 utc | 38

AntiSpin | Feb 2 2020 19:37 utc | 26

I second your suggestion about watching the video. It's incredible!

No material AF experience, but lotsa GT - where I have shared the slogan "if it doesn't fit get a bigger hammer. If it breaks it wasn't any phuching good anyway.".

This was understood because we were in actual fact doing our 100% best, we were making fun of the engineers, who were our friends as well as colleagues.

It's quite another matter to see somebody getting paid to actually fubar a real airplane. Maybe a motorcycle frame, but a flying machine! Wow!


In another matter...Lincoln's efforts to prevent schismogenesis

see his Eulogy for Henry Clay and generally Lincoln on "colonization"...which doesn't mean what you probably imagine.


Yes, Miss Lacy, pump/dump repeat... It's like milking the cows.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 2 2020 20:55 utc | 39

karlof1 @37

I once read a comment to some russian article or site, it said something like перепишут, перепокажем, grammatically incorrect the second part but quite eloquent, they rewrite we'll reteach, in other words we will give them a lesson, again. It is shameful, a leading german newspaper, a diplomatic mission and a vicepresident. It is no mistake or omission, it is targeted propaganda.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 2 2020 20:59 utc | 40

I❤❤❤❤❤THIS BERNIE AD!!! It's hillarious!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 21:16 utc | 41

Happy Groundhog Day!

It's my favorite holiday because it is halfway through winter - only 12 more weeks to go. It is also halfway through the heating season of about 10,000 degree days. And most important, it is the day when the the average daily low temperature ticks up from 0 F to 1 F. Hurray! Break out the Bermuda shorts and Tee shirts!

I have to laugh at all the breathless reports that claim the Earth's Temperature has increased .02 degrees since last year and therefore the Sky is Falling. Because even though the average low is up a whole degree, the weather no different today than yesterday: still cloudy and cold...

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 2 2020 21:16 utc | 42

Click right bottom corner of ad @40 to get volume and widescreen. It's worth it!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 21:19 utc | 43


Here is a good analysis of the EIA over optimistic fracking output between now and 2050.

The analysis supports your conclusion that carbon dioxide global warming crisis is mostly greenwashing by corporations to increase profits. The real issue is how will humanity respond to reduced per capita energy availability and the destruction of the environment.

To be fair the Russian pulsed plasma technology (PPT) has been shown to enhance tight oil "condensate" recovery from sandstone formations as long as they are not so deep that the pressures crush the pipes.

Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 2 2020 21:19 utc | 44

karlof1 | Feb 2 2020 20:44 utc | 37:

Nice boat. I used to like boating but got tired of constantly throwing money into a bottomless pit.

Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 2 2020 21:25 utc | 45

Some bullshetters like Jackrabbit will have you believe Bernie's not authentic. This man deserves to be President ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! Watch this amazing NO I WILL NOT YIELD! video.

Wow! That's what I love about him, unyielding. More integrity in one hair on his head than everyone in Congress put together.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 21:47 utc | 46

Indiapunchline is often a sage analysis of the eurasian scene. This story covers a range of Syian/Turkey issues with a fascinating aside on the the USA thugees latest encouragement for all nations to distance themselves from the $US and the US banking system.

Thanks b and all my comrades (and anti-comrades) for a good week of research and a splash of mirth.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 21:53 utc | 47

Ian2 @44--

Thanks for taking the time to visit. I just began, so there's not much there yet. As for "boating," I don't do much of that, but I do fish as much as I can. Unfortunately, this will likely be my last season owning her as I must pay closer attention to my Growing Old Budget.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2020 21:58 utc | 48

@ Circe

chill out man

Posted by: albagen | Feb 2 2020 22:00 utc | 49

THE TIME IS NOW. If this doesn't get you to stand up and fight the rotten system, then nothing will.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 22:00 utc | 50

It's often been suggested here that Sergei Skripal was a source for Christopher Steele, but the trail just peters out with Millian. Is this still a live issue?

Posted by: begob | Feb 2 2020 22:02 utc | 51

karlof1 #37

Barflies will note a link associated with my user name that will take you to my page at VK, which I intend to use as a blog.

Link no go round! Maybe you have been blocked already :)) Powerful karlof1

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 22:03 utc | 52


I've long been a fan of your site. Cor-2019 is a flop as a death-dealing bio-weapon. However, as an economic weapon impacting trade with China, it is a roaring success. Imagine if The next strain is shown to live on packages... even if only for say 72 hours.

Bio- weapons can be tactical as well as strategic, sector oriented as well as generic.

Posted by: les7 | Feb 2 2020 22:08 utc | 53

Circe #46

Loved the I will not yield video.

Remain calm, maybe do some morning yoga or whatever the time is there. Remember there are people across the entire globe that respect and support what Bernie Sanders is doing. Remain calm and manifest victory or maybe simply consume something intoxicating :)

May he overwhelm the infidels by winning Iowa with a 15 point margin.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 22:15 utc | 54

wish there was a mute feature here at moa..

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2020 22:15 utc | 55

This is for Jackrabbit and the fools who buy his Sanders is a sheepdog claptrap.

This is Bernie at the 2016 convention.

Bernie is real

Posted by: Circe | Feb 2 2020 22:25 utc | 56

uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 22:03 utc | 52:

karl's link is still good. Maybe check your computer settings.

Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 2 2020 22:27 utc | 57

begob #51

It's often been suggested here that Sergei Skripal was a source for Christopher Steele, but the trail just peters out with Millian. Is this still a live issue?

That Millian trail might take you to the CIA rather than the Russian circle. There is very detailed analysis in the comments at theblogmire. I question both Sergei and Julia Skripal role in contributing to Steele's hit piece.
One of the starkest elements of oddity is the the disappearance of the two behind the UK iron curtain and especially the carefully constructed 'interview' with Julia after her 'recovery' from hospital. A review of Julia's employment history is worth considering.

Note that in recent phone calls between Sergei Skripal and his family members in Russia he is clearly under tight monitor and seeks permission to leave a message. They are both likely prisoners in a special facility. They will never be allowed to testify before a US public inquiry as the UK interference role in the USA elections is an explosive error of judgement by MI6 and its lice infested family.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 22:32 utc | 58

Arab League Rejects Trump’s ‘Deal Of The Century’ At Cairo Summit

Posted by: George | Feb 2 2020 22:35 utc | 59

>> the UK iron curtain

The Fiber Curtain.

Posted by: oglalla | Feb 2 2020 22:41 utc | 60

The documentary on Boeing 737NG linked above was interesting. I note it is from ten years ago. I wonder what happened with the whistleblower's lawsuit. I also wonder if the cited subcontractor is still making critical parts by marking them with Magic Markers. It seems very strange to me that they were not even using a pattern to get holes marked in the right place. Patterns and jigs are not exactly high tech.

I vaguely recall another documentary or written report that discussed a different automated assembly system that also didn't work properly. I think it was in Boeing's own assembly plant rather than a subcontractor.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 2 2020 22:43 utc | 61

uncle tungsten @52--

VK will not open when using Internet Explorer. I use Edge when there and it works well. VK's not perfect, but it solves the issue of looking for a Blog host, and Pepe Escobar's site is just around the corner in the next block: pepe Escobar VK Page.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2020 22:44 utc | 62

Ian2 #57

karl's link is still good. Maybe check your computer settings.

Thank you Ian2, but what setting would that be? I use firefox.

I did a search and tried to link to Russia Travel site and that timed out too. I rarely come up against any time out except when I goof, but with VK here I am clicking on the links from MoA and news pages I find on the web. Help would be appreciated.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 22:44 utc | 63

>> wish there was a mute feature here at moa..

Until then, might I suggest (at the risk of telling you what you already know) you read the comments in reverse order, so you can see the author first.

Posted by: oglalla | Feb 2 2020 22:46 utc | 64

Thanks karlof1, I give Edge a go.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 22:46 utc | 65

@krollchem #43
EIA might be high, it might be low, but it isn't particularly credible to say the EIA is permanently skewed one way or the other. As I noted above, the EIA missed the boat entirely on the existing fracking production. It is very possible they'll over- or under-estimate production going forward, but it is a useful data point.
As for the analysis you pointed to:
I can't say I find it particularly credible. The first paragraph says up to 1.5 million wells must be drilled at $11T - that works out to over $7.3M per well.
That number is very high compared even to 2014/2015 numbers across multiple shale regions: Rose Associates shale well drilling cost overview

The average time it takes to drill a well for Chesapeake Energy’s Powder River Basin Project dropped from 35 days to 14 in the last two years. The cost has plummeted from $4.5 million to $2.6 million. The average drill cost per foot was lowered from $245 to $143. That means drilling costs have been reduced for Chesapeake by about 42 percent, which offsets the drop in the commodity cost.

Other companies have reported cost reductions from 2014 to 2015. Bakken well costs dropped from $7.1 million to $5.9 million. Eagle Ford wells went from $7.6 million to $6.5 million. Marcellus wells were reduced from $6.6 million to $6.1 million. Midland Basin wells fell from $7.7 million to $7.2 million and Delaware Basin well costs were lowered from $6.6 million to $5.2 million.

Note the Rose article is from 2016. I doubt costs have gone up since the article was written and vs. the 2014-2015 data - when oil was starting to come down from $100/barrel.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 22:58 utc | 66


Good point about prices per well. I do have a few honest questions:

(1) There is a strong trend toward longer horizontal runs (lines) and more lines per borehole. The adding more lines from a single central borehole would appear to reduce the drilling costs per hole. Do you have any links relating this change in terms of cost per horizontal runs?
(2) Given the child/parent issues that occur with closer horizontal runs, doesn't this increase the costs of condensate recovery thus offsetting any economies from improved drilling operations?
(3) Given that the industry is weeding out the smaller operators and know where the sweet spots are, wouldn't this lead to a long term decline of the fracking industry between now and 2050?
(4) Given that the price of energy (work) that the public can afford provides an upper bound to the price of oil, wouldn't this severely effect the ultimate recoverable condensate yield despite what the EIA models predict?

Thanks for and links you can provide.

Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 2 2020 23:22 utc | 67


Thanks a million for that link. I had seen it back around 2011-12, couldn't remember the source to find it again, and have been hoping it would re-surface during the impending Boeing collapse/dismembering/bailout/buyout.


Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 2 2020 23:32 utc | 68


Dr. Roy Spencer (well-known climate-change skeptic, favoured by right-wing pundits, who also happens to believe in intelligent design over evolution).

Been diagnosed with terminal cancer?. Simple, just pop down to the local green-grocer...he'll sort it out for you. LOL.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 2 2020 23:40 utc | 69

TJ @ 20, 23:

"... 6. The Company will take proactive measures like ultraviolet light to ensure a safe and healthy environment of its warehouse. Disinfection work will be conducted before each delivery ..."

No need for a stakeholder meeting then when shining UV light onto the vampires turns them into ash.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 2 2020 23:46 utc | 70

karlof1 @62 That's a powerful piece from Magnier that Escobar links to; right on the money. It may be that it's finally dawning on the US that they're in just about the worst strategic position to be in; surrounded, with vulnerable supply lines, and a hostile local populace. Hmmm, sounds vaguely familiar...
Thanks for sharing the VK link.

Posted by: robjira | Feb 2 2020 23:47 utc | 71

@uncle tungsteno,

These are two sites I have bookmarked on travel to Russia...I recall I had more, but may be they get lost...

National travel web...

This is a very charming village to visit...

This is travelodge in the Transiberian in Twitter but they offer some interesting data which can be useful...

This is in Spanish...but very useful forum...

And, how not, a youtube chanel to easily study of the cyrilic alphabet to be able to stroll over there ...Only, in Spanish...

I traveled to Russia for a week only to Moscow and St. Petersburg, but got with the wish to know the deep Russia and above all contact the common people, which I had not enough time for that time.


Why do you say you will never be able to visit Russia? If you so much love Russia ( and Putin...)once the boat sold, go there, man, not so expensive, unless you are planning to go in the Transiberian first class...You must definitely go...although may be you could get a bit dissapointed, since you seem to have a way too idealized view of the current Russia of Putin.

Take into account that I traveled there when I was not even so much disenchanted with him as I am now, and nonetleless, got astonished by the harsh contrast amongst the people in the surface ( I mean center Moscow, especially around the luxury hotels and restaurants...) and the people travelling in the underground...the distance is way too stratospheric to my taste.

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 2 2020 23:50 utc | 72

Uncle Tungsten @ 58:

See John Helmer's December 2019 piece at Dances With Bears on Julia Skripal's whereabouts during her May 2018 interview with the Reuters journalist. British plane spotters and bird watchers located her at USAF Fairford in Gloucestershire, not far from Salisbury.

This would explain why the UK government has never allowed Russian consular access to the Skripals: it was not in London's power to give that access, it was Washington's.

The implication is that the Skripals may no longer be in the UK but living in the US under different names, in a community that has few overseas links.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 3 2020 0:01 utc | 73

Circe #35

When you search Bernie Sanders Goo;le puts all the NEGATIVE MEDIA ARTICLES ON BERNIE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.


Try Startpage as your search engine

Try this out:- stop using Goo:gle... they are like passing round used toilet paper.

Startpage is really anonymous and it appears to use algorithms that satisfy.

Circe please stop shouting, and stop touting for Goo:le every time you mention their name you reinforce their dominance. Propose alternatives as Bernie does all the time. Be part of the solution.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 3 2020 0:04 utc | 74

Jen #72

The implication is that the Skripals may no longer be in the UK but living in the US under different names, in a community that has few overseas links.

Thanks for that John Helmer story, I missed it. Maybe there are cells for middle class prisoners at gitmo. The last I heard was that the crow trap in the background of one of the Julia sequences gave the site away.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 3 2020 0:11 utc | 75

@karlof1, 37

When I see pictures of Rodina-Mat, I always think of this clip with the music "The Sacred War"

Posted by: cirsium | Feb 3 2020 0:14 utc | 76

Posted by: les7 | Feb 2 2020 17:58 utc | 13

If the Indian researchers were wrong, their careers are over... high price for a bit of fleeting notoriety

It looks like the resemblence betwen the new coronavirus and HIV is genuine but most likely random rather than engineered. The Indian researchers in question thus would appear to be overinterpreting their data. Note also that the manuscript has not yet been peer reviewed, and it seems unlikely that it will be published without the authors toning down their conclusions considerably.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 3 2020 0:23 utc | 77

@begob, 51, uncle tungsten, 58, Jen 72

two recent posts on John Helmer's site which refer to the MI6 links as well as the disregard of legal process

Posted by: cirsium | Feb 3 2020 0:24 utc | 78

@ karlof1 ... karl, how is vk different from flakebook, other then it is owned by someone different and has a backdoor to FSB verses NSA? mind you that is a lot right there if i have this right..

Posted by: james | Feb 3 2020 0:37 utc | 79

uncle tungsten | Feb 2 2020 22:44 utc | 63:

I'm using the latest Firefox (72.0.2) on Win 8.1. Looking through the Tools -> Options, maybe there is something in the Enhanced Tracking Protection or Cookies/Site Data permission section. If you have browser add-ons installed, look through the settings or try restarting Firefox with add-ons disabled via the Help -> Restart with Add-ons Disabled option.

As Karl suggested, I'd try other browsers (with no add-ons) if you have them installed like Opera which I fall back to if there are any problems. I never use IE; haven't done so for ages.

If still having problems, maybe you have some setting in your router that might be blocking (highly doubtful). IMO, having an old spare computer with a clean install would greatly help in troubleshooting. However, things will quickly get complicated if you're connected to a home/local network with servers like DNS and such. I'm afraid that would be out of my league.

Lastly, maybe "someone" is blocking Russian services since VK is Russian. I've noticed on one forum that I frequent for military news, the administrators have forced existing/new users to (re)register with non-Russian email providers like Yandex.

Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 3 2020 0:38 utc | 80

Rodina Mat: That is one heck of a memorial. Thanks for the video.

Apparently Bloomberg is going to be of some use in this election after all:

Bloomberg campaign responds to Trump insults by attacking president’s ‘fake hair, obesity, spray-on tan’

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 3 2020 0:46 utc | 81

browsers.... i downloaded this week and am using brave at present..

Posted by: james | Feb 3 2020 0:49 utc | 82

Below is a quote from a ZH posting about China banning short selling as of Feb 3

Notice about stock market in #China. No one is allowed to sell when the market resume on Feb. 3. Biding price to be controlled before opening, no net sell before Feb. 7. Needs special permission for sales over 10M yuan. #CCP fearing market crash #Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak
China is just coming out of their New Year celebration week along with remaining unknowns about the virus. Western markets went down big time last Friday and would like to blame China if economic lock up goes critical from here. The next couple of weeks might be another of those times in this slow motion train wreck when things happen very fast.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 3 2020 0:54 utc | 83

Yes, Robina Mat is a favorite of mine too.

So is "white Tiger" (YT 1:23 / 1:44:05
White Tiger with english subtitles )

The movie sets up the meeting with Hitler in Hell at the end...seems congruent with the all that. Mr. H gives his apology, but ya gotta remember what that means... cool flick, because true.

When the Russians do this stuff I keep remembering the scene in Strangelove where Turgidson says "Gee I wish we had one a them doomsday machines, Sanzi." Well, Gee, I sure wish America made true movies.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 3 2020 0:55 utc | 84

vk owners...

Posted by: james | Feb 3 2020 1:05 utc | 85

John Helmer posted an article alleging collusion between
Bellingcat and MI6 in the Skripal hoax:

"What Urban meant is that he has rewritten the final chapter and added an extra one. For this extra year of work Urban’s new evidence consists of references to a source he calls “investigative website Bellingcat” and “Bellingcat’s Russian partners, an investigative outfit called The Insider”. Urban fails to identify Bellingcat as an organisation whose financing from British Government, NATO and other sources committed to information warfare against Russia is well documented; its fabrications of evidence in the case of the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 and chemical warfare in Syria have been proved by independent researchers.

In addition to his MI6 sources, whom Urban refers to as his “contacts” and “British intelligence analysts”, Urban reveals he was the intermediary between them and Bellingcat — as much the source for Bellingcat as vice versa. “Using various Russian databases Bellingcat collated this information , sharing this work with me during the preparation of this edition of the book…In the summer of 2019 Bellingcat obtained [GRU agent] mobile phone records and I worked with one of their analysts to explore them.”

Eliot Higgens plays dumb by saying he does not want to be played by intelligence
agencies when in fact he is their fanatical and well remunerated co-conspirator.

Posted by: evilempire | Feb 3 2020 1:10 utc | 86

cirsium #77

Thank you for the links. The image of Urban and Blundercat being in league is too good. Urban probably didn't even realise that the little joke by Sergei disparaging Ukraine was likely his test to see where Urban's sympathies lie. I immediately wonder if Urban's father was a nazi collaborator and so on. Maybe Sergei needed to know that too. They ceased communicating after that it appears.

Regardless of all that I am sure Institute for Statecraft and Integrity Initiative are likely lurking in the background as well. The Skripal 'affair' has always been a failure in terms of keeping a consistent story. If you think the CCTV outages in the Epstein murder are extraordinary, take a peek at the entire absence of CCTV in Salisbury on that fateful day.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 3 2020 1:16 utc | 87


I'm not big on films, but if there's a better one for me than Dr. Strangelove, I've not seen it.

Posted by: Ash Naz | Feb 3 2020 1:18 utc | 88

james #84

Wikipedia? a reliable source for anything Rusia, Chinese, USian, UKian, Indonesian, MH17ian, ..... ?

I would prefer the Tarot cards myself.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 3 2020 1:23 utc | 89

uncle tungsten | Feb 3 2020 1:23 utc | 88

Wiki is useful in the sense that Sherlock described when he noted that the dog failed to bark in the night. Peter Dale Scott describes this sort of observation as constructing a negative template, if I remember correctly. I read wiki to see what's missing. Some of the technical stuff is actually valuable, but always keep the negative, the silent dog, in mind.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 3 2020 1:39 utc | 90

@78 james

The notion of backdoor doesn't really matter with Facebook or VK, since the purpose of both is to publish material to the world. Escobar was censored at Facebook for about 10 days, disappeared essentially, and just came back today. So was Professor Marandi and others, as the algorithm got triggered over Soleimani.

So he moved to VK, which is where his hardest-hitting truth-telling will occur. Facebook doesn't publish, just as Twitter now doesn't publish. It's a way of becoming irrelevant, drawn from every secrecy-obsessed playbook throughout all time..

So one moves to where the moving is free - and if need be one will move again. The Internet routes around obstacles. As Escobar says, migrating is a political act. As he goes on to say, "F*ck the Thought Police. Let's dance."

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 3 2020 2:01 utc | 91

@ 88 uncle t... wiki is useful for general info but, yes - it's a propaganda site ( which i have mentioned at moa many times too) but not all the time with everything.. my link gives a quick overview.. vk is russian owned.. they appear to have kicked pavel durov out and he left to start telegram - an encrypted messenger service my friend is on.. apparently stuff gets shared there that no one would share on more mainstream mediums like fb and vk..

@ 90 grieved.. always nice to see you! it really is about who is silencing what... fb and twitter will silence anything too radical for western msm.. vk probably does the same for anything too radical for russian interests.. it is just the way these social medias work - sharing is fine for snooping on people 24-7 so long as they don't say anything too controversial too much of the time.. in the case of pepe - his message is too challenging for american minds, but will be readily accepted in other parts of the world... well... that is how i see it today.. i am receptive to having my impressions modified here too.. i like how you frame it though - one moves to where the moving is free... or did pepe say that? i agree with him! a brasilian free spirit.. i hope that usa christian wackomentalist lackey bolsonaro doesn't catch up with him like he has with greenwald...

autumn nocturne for any music lover out their...

Posted by: james | Feb 3 2020 2:15 utc | 92

Ash Naz - you're missing out then. How I learned...(Dr. Strangelove) is an excellent piece of cinema, but there are plenty of others. If you are a fellow traveler and observer of the downward trajectory that human kind is on, I recommend some Michael Haneke films. Start with the original Austrian "Funny Games" or the French "Cache"....not particularly political or geopolitical commentary, but for that he also made a curious film called "The White Ribbon" about a German village in the years between WWI and WWII (in black and white like "Dr. Strangelove").

Posted by: Mister Wiggles | Feb 3 2020 2:26 utc | 93

uncle t... i consulted the tarot cards and they told me to read george soros opinion piece in the nyt from a couple of days ago..

"I went on to say that there appears to be “an informal mutual assistance operation or agreement developing between Trump and Facebook” in which Facebook will help President Trump to get re-elected and Mr. Trump will, in turn, defend Facebook against attacks from regulators and the media."

more of soros viewpoint in the opinion piece here..

how is that for ouija board - tarot card type reading? lol...

Posted by: james | Feb 3 2020 2:33 utc | 94

Jon in au @69

Intelligent design and evolution are not opposed, no more than science and religion are , at least they dont have to be. . Intelligent design acknowledges evolution, at least within species. IMO Evolution is a built-in mechanism of the intelligent design.

As to who or what is the designer, no idea, but anyone who has studied immunology or other biological sciences knows randomness to explain a chaotic and complex system that works as well as the human body (and other species) does is sheer fantasy

And for all that evolutionary theory does, it still cant account for how life began in the first place, and frankly , outside of its predictive value for a species changing according to environmental pressures, much of it is still an unproven theory when it comes to speciation

Posted by: Pft | Feb 3 2020 2:38 utc | 95

it is like the pot calling the kettle black - soros last comment in that link above - "I repeat and reaffirm my accusation against Facebook under the leadership of Mr. Zuckerberg and Ms. Sandberg. They follow only one guiding principle: maximize profits irrespective of the consequences. One way or another, they should not be left in control of Facebook." but we should let people like soros continue on with his NGOS world wide? the guys comments are quite rich...

Posted by: james | Feb 3 2020 2:41 utc | 96

"how is vk different from flakebook, other then it is owned by someone different and has a backdoor to FSB verses NSA?" --james @78

Assume that they are both equally evil. Assuming you do not live in Russia, does it really bother you if the FSB maintains a dossier on you?

This is why I do not understand the hysteria over the possibility of Huawei products having back doors for the non-existent Chinese equivalent of the CIA to listen in on western people's boring telephone chats. Even if they have such back doors, and China had an organized crime ring of vicious bloodthirsty thugs posing as an intelligence agency like the USA does, why would they care what average western folks are saying among themselves? Why would they care what videos you watch on YouTube? Other than for marketing purposes, what concern would they have about what sites you visit on the Web?

Except in the case of the empire, it is never other countries' governments spying on one that people need to worry about. It is always their own government that they need to be concerned with. It isn't like the goons and bully boys who kick in your door at 4AM and haul you off to the black site for "interrogation" are going to be Chinese or Russian, after all.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 3 2020 3:18 utc | 97

jackrabbit @ 18

Why doesn't Bernie threaten to take his "Movement" independent?

Is Bernie a closet Fabian socialist? That could possibly easily answer that question. The DNC will do whatever it takes to keep the hard left in the party. They want to dribble socialism out as a control and internal profit mechanism; not as a solution to the real problems every day people face.

The outcome of the convention will tell all and do not expect much.

Posted by: dltravers | Feb 3 2020 3:38 utc | 98

Thank you, b, for including here the interview with the Special Rapporteur on Torture, Nils Melzer, who comments in detail on the case of Julian Assange. Now that Britain has taken itself out of the EU, it would be commendable if public pressure could be brought to bear on those who are torturing that poor man so unjustly.

We need to pay attention to this slow moving assassination. Hopefully the British people will as well.

On the subject of Groundhog Day, I'm sure most folk do know that was, as was the commercialization of Christmas, a rather phony way of replacing the timely halfway point between the solstice and equinox, celebrated in old times as Candlemas. Due to calendar quirks for Orthodox Christians that feast now occurs exactly when Dresden was firebombed. But on this day, today, my calendar presents Zaccheus Sunday, which is the Sunday before the pre-lenten Sundays. And Zaccheus is the little rich man who climbed a sycamore tree so he could see Jesus passing by. The lovely point to that story in Luke is that when folk scoff that Jesus immediately wants to dine with Zaccheus, Jesus replies that he came to save the lost.

Rich people today are indeed lost. They probably need to climb a few trees.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 3 2020 5:25 utc | 99

@Krollchem #67
Your questions

(1) There is a strong trend toward longer horizontal runs (lines) and more lines per borehole. The adding more lines from a single central borehole would appear to reduce the drilling costs per hole. Do you have any links relating this change in terms of cost per horizontal runs?

The Rose article doesn't address the lines per hole - what they note is that more drilling is occurring without having to put down a brand new pad constantly. In particular, that the drilling can occur with a few feet displacement. This seems to imply the horizontal drilling you refer to, but I don't honestly know. It isn't clear to me that the detail matters in this case since it is cost per well we're looking at.

(2) Given the child/parent issues that occur with closer horizontal runs, doesn't this increase the costs of condensate recovery thus offsetting any economies from improved drilling operations?
I think an expert would have to speak to this; however, the way fracking operates makes me think that parent/child is less of an issue - because the fracking itself is creating its own "catch basins". It seems logical that parent/child would be a problem for standard oil recovery where either the substrate is highly porous or there is a contiguous body of oil - but that's exactly not the situation with fracking.
(3) Given that the industry is weeding out the smaller operators and know where the sweet spots are, wouldn't this lead to a long term decline of the fracking industry between now and 2050?
It is possible, but the assumption under the scenario you stipulate is that there aren't either operational efficiency, technology, demand or management differences. Or in other words, one operator is the same as another. There aren't many real world examples of this in any other industry - why would fracking be different?

I've also noted many times - in other posts - that too many operators drives up costs for everyone in the business due to competition for fracking materials, leases, drilling rigs, people, etc - so a decline in fracking activity for whatever reason means costs fall for the remaining operators.

Lastly, the energy industry in general is historically boom/bust. The frackers are going through Hunger Games now. In whatever manner the thinning occurs, at some point there will be a reduction in capacity and/or enough time passes such that world demand grows faster than production increases - at which point the price will start shooting up and the cycle starts again.

(4) Given that the price of energy (work) that the public can afford provides an upper bound to the price of oil, wouldn't this severely effect the ultimate recoverable condensate yield despite what the EIA models predict

This is a thinly disguised EROEI argument; historically, EROEI doesn't mean squat. Either the extraction generates a needed commodity or the commodity isn't needed enough; all EROEI translates into is higher $ value lower bound for product price. If a commodity has a replacement - the EROEI impact on price might accelerate/induce the replacement but that isn't a problem for oil and natural gas in general at this time or for the forseeable future.
The "EROEI doesn't matter" pattern has repeated many times - from Dutch peat to whale oil to tall trees for shipbuilding, etc:
Dutch were doing underwater peat extraction at the latter stages of the peat cycle and only stopped when the British showed coal was more abundant and cheap.
Whalers wound up taking literally multi-year voyages to the Pacific to catch whales, until oil came along.
The components for bronze were thousand plus mile trade routes until the Iron age came.
You can see in these 3 examples that EROEI was not relevant; the underlying product demand was such that people would go to enormous lengths/create new tech in order to meet the demand. It was only when a cheaper, abundant replacement came along that the "high EROEI" commodity stopped being produced - not the economics of the original product itself.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 3 2020 5:27 utc | 100

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